This conversation and this framework has fundamentally changed how I think about things. Separating beliefs from objective facts is insanely powerful. Most people watching this have no idea how many hours of thought and philosophical work was put in to distill the ideas into this final mentality. Alex providing insane value to everyone per usual, thanks brotha 🏆💯
Hey i watched you video with Gram stefin I want to start out by saying you did not offend me but you are off your hinges on what you define as Christianity...
No Not necessarily because the main thing you had off was the belief there is no 50 50 line which is not true the bible talked about the 50 50 christan that you have to believe with your whole heart otherwise he says when you die that he will say that he did not even know you [if these needs to be more clear let me know]
500 years ago when a bear ate your father, instead of crying about it in therapy, you started actively scanning your surroundings for and avoiding bears. This was beneficial to your survival. Present day, you got betrayed by a friend and now you have trouble being open with people, causing your relationships to wither. This is why we focus on "trauma". It's not for the emotional catharsis, or the limiting label. We recognize things in the past that hurt us because these things shape our behaviour, and unless we analyze it, we will do these things mindlessly in unfit situations. I do agree that a lot of times, we need to learn to see past events just for the stimuli that they were, and even be cognizant of the emotional stimuli that it caused, but we don't need to hold on to it as an identity.
Wow! Love this comment. It makes total sense to me that we would want to protect ourselves from something we felt trauma from. The fun bit it then looking at whether we can shift the identity of that trauma event and distill it into something less painful.
Sounds like broscience. You don't have any empirical proof that there was no emotional attachment on a deeper level just a mere 500 years ago (a ridiculously short timeline on the evolution scale for the point you're trying to drive home) when seeing a parent be killed and reacting robot-esque.
I used to think the way alex thinks but ended up hurting so many people I came across because nothing really mattered to me and I ended up living in the moment and that can be dangerous too. I have since turned to analyzing every interaction I have with people in order to become more conscious of how I was treating people or how I react in certain situations. This video does not show the negative aspects of living with this behavior.
Lost a parent at 16 in a car accident. Took me 7 years to actually get over it. Almost lost my life at 21. Now at 23, I can safely say I'm done wearing those chips on my shoulder and want to get to fucking work. I now live life with lots of humor because that's how the parent that I lost lived theres. Not just that, but life is more enjoyable this way. I know damn well those past years of mine, being that I was in the self pity, jealous hole that I was in, my parent was metaphorically in spirit out there cursing at me saying "man the fuck up and laugh at yourself, you seriously need it. And stop taking the shit life throws at you so seriously" 😂 Despite the accident I can say 100% my parent, if they were able to and still alive, would still be laughing at their situation and of how funny life can be sometimes. Not saying my experience has any merit for any one else's situation, just offering my humble human perspective. Cheers to all reading this ☀️
Lost my wife to cancer with 2 kids ages 5&3. This resonates. But the best way for me to carry (her) forward is making her proud and still active the dreams we talked so vividly about. Thanks for opening your story for us to read.
Lost my dad at 18. Fell into a ditch, banged his head off a rock, fell unconscious and died of hypothermia We didn't find his body for two days. Family life was already spiralling out of control. Can't go into because it still hurts and the facts are genuinely messed up. Part of me is relatively successful as a result of me not wanting to "end up that way" and part of me is totally messed up because I carried stuff into my adult life that I simply did not know how to overcome and nobody knew how to help me, even though they were all utterly convinced they did know how. I've lost almost all trust in people.
This segment shifted my thinking in a way that would serve me for life, or at least until I decide to change my beliefs again. Thank you Alex for being bold.
my god how much you’ve grown your channel while just being your authentic self. Alex, you’re my “Internet dad” and I continue to seek any wisdom you are willing to offer to your audience, keep being you
The main thing here is that if you have the ability to remove yourself from the problem ( trauma) then you have the ability to solve it and move on. Stay emotionally unattached and you will have a different perspective of every situation. Great vid Alex.
"When people are given resources that they weren't taught how to use or manage, it destroys them. It's too much potential energy" Fucking amazing way to put it. Alex is a true role model
Loved the chat and as a Christian who has also studied apologetics and similar supporting topics understand exactly what you meant on all of it. Essentially you moved to emotionless nihilism which it at very least very logically consistent and that is admirable in its own way. That said, I wasn’t sure I understood why your easy argument against Christianity was actually a rebuttal to anything. As you said, it depends on what we mean by the words we use and I think the key one that may have been at issue is what scripture means by faith. Modern Christians think it is just to believe a certain set of propositions to be true and so don’t have any sense of action or duty called upon them. They can believe something is true and then not act as if it is and will rationalize that they are saved. Dr. Michael Heiser defines faith best I believe by describing it as “believing loyalty”. It’s about knowing who God is and staying loyal to Him. We see this in David, he always knew God and never worshipped another all the while messing up along the way and doing amazing feats too. So it’s not a 49/50/51% ratio scale of actions and nor is it just about how strongly you believe a set of statements. It is an active belief that brings about loyalty to His commands and not turning away from God. I’m sure you had other issues with the faith but as that was all you listed I figured I would say some thoughts on the topic. Wish you the best, love the content.
Well said, and I had the same perspective in his line of thinking. It is the active belief that proposed a greater future for Alex and in doing so, elevated him to where he is, where we all strive to progress. Faith is at the forefront. And faith has no judgement on the metrics to which we deploy.
The idea of the ratio scale wasn't just to question one's strength of faith but rather to put into perspective that there will be other people who think they have they also have an "active loyal belief". It would be foolish to say that believers never doubt God, it's impossible to be that irrational despite the fact that the belief system is based on trying to find logical reasoning to justify an emotional connection. Thus you reach the proposition that there are 'stronger' active loyal believers than others, which leads to the 49/51 ratio.
@@godmode2461 I hear you, but to his point, what if we don't reach the proposition that there are "stronger" active loyal believers than others. And to let go of judgement in the realm of "works", predisposition, etc. God knows ones heart and that is the mystery that supersedes and transcends logical reasoning. The journey is from the head to the heart. The logical, rationale mind (wrestling with ones existence and meaning) VS the feeling of being (not doing) - free, alive, and in love. That is the romance that keeps us all going. It's fun to play around with ideas like this, but the core to us as humans all stems from love. Love cannot be deduced to logical rhetoric. There's something to that. Something worth exploring.
Funny I was talking about this the other day. How positive and negative energy affects our body. So, If I quit viewing something as being bad, it won't have the same effect on my body or life.
I think legacy is a real thing. thats why we still remember the founders of America. I think you can live a fulfilling life if you have a bigger vision than yourself.
@@eldisperez if you expand time out long enough then you probably won’t remember the founders though, we only do because we’re not far removed from it. Few people besides history buffs and historians can name all of the people involved in creating all of the ancient empires that existed in the past. And some remnants of certain empires are for sure lost and nobody will ever know about them today or in the future. And if you really take it to the extreme, scientists believe that around 7 billion years from now the sun will explode and become a nebula and essentially turn everything on Earth (and Mercury, Venus etc) into dust, including any traces of civilization remaining on the planet. What legacy will remain then? Of course a lot can happen in 7 billion years, but I think people really overstate the importance of legacy.
@@SteelPlated But what if legacy isn't about the ego boost of having your name remembered and more about doing something meaningful that allows other meaningful things to be built off of it? Maybe a small percentage of people can name 10 founders of computer science, but we all benefit from their deciding to do something meaningful today.
@@eventualrobot that’s very true. Even if everything turns to dust at some point, providing something useful and helpful to the world for as long as it’s around is absolutely worth doing.
7:12 From here it gets really good. I too can get a lot of drive out of existentialism when framed like that. When you talk about the piece of land, and how futile our legacies really are, that's really eye-opening!
Some of these ideas were shortchanged, I think reasonable rebuttals were needed to flush certain examples or concepts out. The examples of trauma in ancient times versus now are similar. Death of a parent prematurely was more common back then, and cultures still mourned for weeks and sometimes months after a person’s passing. Because it isn’t happening now doesn’t mean we can assume it wasn’t traumatic. People often don’t take the step to associate emotion/trauma/turmoil with times they didn’t live in. Instead we often think, “People were tougher back then.” Dating at 15 year old now and back is was still traumatic to the child. We can’t assume it was easier for child brides then. Trauma wasn’t recognized as a condition, but that doesn’t change the way one’s mind deals with emotional shock. I do agree that categorizing conditions and acceptable reactions creates weaknesses though. We have to become less wayward under pressure and tailor our mental responses. As he said, it’s a process.
I agree with you as someone who used to view life similar to Alex. I hurt many people I interacted with without meaning to. Living in the moment at an extreme can have it's negatives.
Do this is always what I believed growing up a born again Christian. This is why I relate to Alex on a different level. None of his content or his wife wastes our time and it’s required to review by companies we consult and my team. Love this.
As a trauma coach myself, I agree that we create our own traumas based on our belief systems around what happens. However! A young child doesn’t have much choice of their belief system. They grow up in environment that programs them to be susceptible to trauma. And you’re right this can fuck people up for a long time. But the truth is trauma is not healed just by convincing yourself you didn’t have trauma like you’re saying Alex. That’s denial. Trump has healed when we embrace and except our pain and learn to love and let it go. That is a very emotional process and your logical nihilistic view is not helpful for people who are struggling
Spot on. And to his example, both 15 year old girls were traumatized, it's just no one asked them. Bad things happen. If you skip the processing part, it WILL come for you. Mid life. Late life. Life has a way of catching up with you, whatever you want to believe.
Alex, just found your channel. I've been an avid follower and practitioner of stoicism for over a year, and see many parallels to the ideas you've discussed. It's all about separating the internal from the external. Aligning with oneself is all that really matters.
I am new to Alex and love his insights. I feel he is genuine and brilliant beyond words. As a long time Christian and recently back in the faith I'd love to hear Alex discuss his views with other Christian apologists. Not in a debate format where each is trying to prove something but in thoughtful conversation. From his discussion I don't get his false binary argument against Xtianity. Once one accepts Christ that work is done and the Holy Spirit takes control as far as you yield. There is no binary of believing with a greater amount of power or not. Remember in Christian Theology its God who chooses you not the other way around and your belief is magnified by His power not your own. Man cannot save himself. Prayers your way Alex and Leila on your ROAD. And Thank you.
As someone who grew up in a different country and came to America later in life, I definitely see how your surroundings can affect the way to react to problems even if you are part of the “same culture”. There a multiple things that trigger my American born Latino people when we who actually grew up in 3rd world countries don’t even care about this meaningless things, we just wanna survive, provide and grow.
That podcast helped me form a lot of my opinions of how I look at the world and was definitely impactful for me and honestly I’ve been living better sense. So thank you for putting your thoughts out there for others to help form their own.
I am in a lower position that you are now and I completely agree with what you said. The question for me is: is it even worth chasing wealth, then deciding if I still agree with your point of view or am I just making excuses because I been failing too many times in the past few years ?
Wow! I usually don't comment but this is very very "triggering" belief and profound! You just changed my whole perspective of my belief. What a great way to live life! Many thanks to you Alex for sharing your belief.
I started listening because of this interview! Really helps hearing your points and appreciate the experiences you share. You’re reaching people, so please don’t stop sharing.
The full podcast is entirely worth the watch, love to see these segments getting uploaded to rewatch often. unrelated note - I have to know, where do you get the flannels?
I recovered from ptsd symptoms and it was very debilitating for a long time. But it was worse I think cos I couldn’t walk and was in a wheelchair and someone threatened to kill me after I’d just had an operation so my body and brain was all fucked up. I dunno but I was really fucked up for a while but since I started to be able to walk again and did EMDR I’m ok again. My brain used to get flooded with a raised voice or a loud bang of weights dropping at the gym but it’s all gone now. I think trauma is real but it can be undone with the right help and care over time. ❤
I really like the ethereal casino analogy and have held a similar belief for some time. In the business game, we create systems for generating and storing potential energy to do more cool stuff. In the end, it is to grow as much as we can, live fully, create choices, and find meaning in sharing these resources and experiences with others. If there is a better way to see it, let me know so I can adopt that perspective.💪🔥
You make excellent quality points. Very stoic. What is a life worth leading? Subject to interpretation. Why does this matter to me? Maybe it doesn’t. I try to think orthogonally, and I see so many people doing things because it’s what we’re supposed to do. I do the same, we all do, and often times we don’t even realize we’re playing out our cultural context or our biology without real intention.
This is exactly how I think and you Alex, are the first person I’ve heard talk about the world the way I view it. I grew up catholic and then went non-denominational Christian and then had my years of thinking of what you talked about and now I view the world completely different. It’s so awesome and liberating that I’m not the only one that thinks this way!
It's just amazing to see Alex just come out of nowhere and literally take over the investing space on youtube. People who have been influencers for years cannot stand with this guy.
Makes complete sense, you choose to judge things and give them a bias, now you either created an infatuation or a resentment, you've just created a way for yourself to suffer because you only suffer in two ways.. when you perceive youre gaining what you resent or losing what your infatuated. you have to reach neutrality to be able to control your actions and command yourself, true freedom is when you do what you want regardless of your emotions. dont judge, be objective, neutralise the bias neutralise the emotion.
Is a rational argument, however that’s not how trauma works nor is it how trauma is stored in the mind or body. Alex you give great business advice, not healing advice.
Trauma is when you experience flashbacks. When you freeze or yell and scream over something that appears small. Your brain ruminates, and your body shakes, and you re-experience the situation all over again. Trauma is lifelong torture. Yoga, meditation, EMDR, mindfulness, healthy living, and good friends help, but it never goes away. It is part of your life forever, no matter what you do.
I don’t agree with everything he says but I do respect that he can clearly articulate they why behind his stances. It doesn’t sound emotion based or regurgitated from some other wealthy guru. It comes off thought provoking, genuine, and from personal experience and a non biased perspective. Keep being cool 👍🏾
I disagree with certain aspects of what Alex says, but his openness is what makes him such a compelling thinker and speaker. He admits that even some of his statements are beliefs statements. Amazing self awareness and you can tell he thinks deeply before ever uttering a word
Alex, I like to think that I'm a smart guy. I'm not even a shadow compared to you. You blow my mind. You keep rewriting how I THINK! Not just give me food for thought, but physically changing how I think. I'm in shock, again. Thank you for sharing, always share. Please
I just love that line, I have nothing to sell you... Kinda makes me want to buy something from him, probably why his so successful hmmm... His just authentic
Hahaha that’s awesome and a very good perspective. Money doesn’t matter because you eventually die and it goes back to the game. Then you can really figure what makes you happy in life.
In regards to his comments about estate planning I find his perspective interesting and odd. I imagine most people do estate planning aren't thinking of 500 generations out into the future and realizing that in the grand scheme of things it won't have an impact on that 500th generation. I would think most people think about their children, the humans that they're responsible for and how the assets they've accrued might help them to pursue a life of moral, intellectual, and spiritual contemplation. Aristotle talks about this that the purpose of society is to work collectively to alleviate our burdens so that we have the chance to pursue the intellectual life. It's interesting that he takes the perspective that if his impact would be diluted over 500 generations that his actions are ultimately meaningless. So if hypothetically he was emperor of the world and his actions were impact his family for a thousand generations then his assests would have significance?
The economic hardship, recession, unemployment and the loss of job caused by covid pandemic is enough to push people into financial ventures. Summer is here again with lots of activities to be enjoyed. Well, I'm taking a trip into investing because I lost so much during this pandemic. Multi creation of wealth is the best strategy to ensure financial sustainability..
I’ve been trading crypto with Mr Dawkins Morrissey for over a year now and I've made about a whooping profit of $86,000 in crypto its not much but I'm ok with the progress since i now make a whole lot from the comfort of my bed.
@Michelle Noah Thank you for this. I just looked him up on google and impressed with the information I came across. Will definitely reach out to him. Thanks again 😊😊
Take it from one who has it and buy a house in Missouri and dream Wrangler with forex trade profits. I started with Mr Dawkins Morrissey of financial education and he has been my handler and guider for the past years
Trauma comes from not expecting something bad to happen, and not having a framework to understand it when it happens. That is why some people experience one situation as trauma, and other people do not.
Here's a question that puzzles me all the time... I love my wife so much which also means I deeply care a lot about what she thinks of me... obviously, it's not always just positive... which leads to drama, me feeling hurt, me probably overreacting etc... I've had periods where I choose not to care. No drama, more peace at home. Problem solved? But then we end up pretty much not having relationships... at least not intimate, caring, loving relationships, just a co-existence... it's like a direction towards a divorce. If you care, you live in pain. If you don't - you pretty much don't even live together. Any advice would be appreciated.
I guess by the time you stop caring the problems is... You stopped caring. And I'm not sure how to feel about this. But caring and being cared for makes me happy, perhaps it makes you happy. Maybe this desire for care amd caring has been trained into me by culture, my childhood, my society, or biology. But does it not exist for me nevertheless? And what should we do about it then? We can let go and not care any longer. But we risk losing ourselves to the abyss where we would just stop caring. What if when we're 40 we realised that this was something we truly wanted. We should go after things we truly want. But then you care. Then there is emotion. When you don't care there is no emotion. And there are few mistakes.
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was MEANINGLESS, a chasing after the wind; NOTHING was gained under the sun. Then I turned my thoughts to consider wisdom, and also madness and folly. - Solomon
Alex Hormozi first off I have mad respect for what you have accomplished and what you are continuously doing with your valuable content. You have spoken about your growth with the mentoring of Russell Brunson and I'm curious if you have considered mentoring with Jay Abraham?
My friend! I sent Leila an email that I didn’t edit and address to her, rookie move from a rookie, but I would love to talk with both of you about my plan to save SF combat vets. Love yall
Not really since it was a normal act, based on biology. Two adults being intimate with each other isn't traumatizing. Just because 15 years old girls today is as mature as 5 year olds girls 200 years ago, doesn't make young adults 200 years ago as immature as teenagers today. 13yo were considered adults then. 25 yo are considered children today. Huge difference in how we view things. Therefore, no, it wasn't traumatizing doing something natural 200 years ago.
I disagree with Alex on this one. Trauma 500 years ago and trauma now was still trauma. Our brains 500 years ago processed that trauma 500 the same way it does now, it's just that 500 years ago the results of that trauma (in the form of things like destructive behavior) may have had you labeled as possessed or a demon, a witch or something else. Or you died before the consequences of the trauma could be felt or the society just accepted your behavior as "normal" doesn't mean it wasn't trauma. I mean it took humans until Vietnam to start to really comprehend PTSD. 1000 years ago it still existed, they just didn't understand it. It's not trauma because we think of it as trauma, it's trauma because it actually has a negative effect on your entire life and the biological, mental and emotional processes of your brain and it's of no fault of your own. You can't just will it away, you need to get actual help.
I really enjoyed this video Alex as a born again Christian & going through life you have a humble great beliefs that matter in life to you very thankful
I need elaboration/clarification. @7:43 you say I don't think about what makes me happy vs. unhappy. Then at @7:53 you say those are things that you enjoy.
Great stuff! But there seems to be an inconsistency: Once you reject that the connection between situations and emotions is real it follows that you wouldn't do anything anymore since it's meaningless.
@@jonathanjarl875 This is not the point I'm making. He's deriving joy from certain activities what is inconsistent with the notion that a.) Nothing is intrinsically meaningful and b.) You decide wether someting makes you happy or not.
Oh my goodness. I have always felt like a black sheep in the family for thinking this way. Not totally everything you think but close. Thanks for sharing
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This conversation and this framework has fundamentally changed how I think about things. Separating beliefs from objective facts is insanely powerful. Most people watching this have no idea how many hours of thought and philosophical work was put in to distill the ideas into this final mentality. Alex providing insane value to everyone per usual, thanks brotha 🏆💯
Have a relationship with someone that abuses you. Feelings are real and don’t think it’s so simple.
Hey i watched you video with Gram stefin I want to start out by saying you did not offend me but you are off your hinges on what you define as Christianity...
The “objective facts” are themselves defined by belief structures.
Chris Waugh isn’t it ‘meaning and interpretation’?
No Not necessarily because the main thing you had off was the belief there is no 50 50 line which is not true the bible talked about the 50 50 christan that you have to believe with your whole heart otherwise he says when you die that he will say that he did not even know you [if these needs to be more clear let me know]
"A man is measured by the smallest thing that provokes him"
That's offending!
My dad always said and I don't know who he was quoting, but oft remembered: A man can be judged by the size of his problems.
That is really good
500 years ago when a bear ate your father, instead of crying about it in therapy, you started actively scanning your surroundings for and avoiding bears. This was beneficial to your survival.
Present day, you got betrayed by a friend and now you have trouble being open with people, causing your relationships to wither.
This is why we focus on "trauma". It's not for the emotional catharsis, or the limiting label. We recognize things in the past that hurt us because these things shape our behaviour, and unless we analyze it, we will do these things mindlessly in unfit situations.
I do agree that a lot of times, we need to learn to see past events just for the stimuli that they were, and even be cognizant of the emotional stimuli that it caused, but we don't need to hold on to it as an identity.
Wow! Love this comment. It makes total sense to me that we would want to protect ourselves from something we felt trauma from. The fun bit it then looking at whether we can shift the identity of that trauma event and distill it into something less painful.
And that is a belief
@@slymusic9108 everything is a belief. Some beliefs communicate useful ideas and some are garbage.
Sounds like broscience. You don't have any empirical proof that there was no emotional attachment on a deeper level just a mere 500 years ago (a ridiculously short timeline on the evolution scale for the point you're trying to drive home) when seeing a parent be killed and reacting robot-esque.
I used to think the way alex thinks but ended up hurting so many people I came across because nothing really mattered to me and I ended up living in the moment and that can be dangerous too. I have since turned to analyzing every interaction I have with people in order to become more conscious of how I was treating people or how I react in certain situations. This video does not show the negative aspects of living with this behavior.
Lost a parent at 16 in a car accident. Took me 7 years to actually get over it. Almost lost my life at 21. Now at 23, I can safely say I'm done wearing those chips on my shoulder and want to get to fucking work.
I now live life with lots of humor because that's how the parent that I lost lived theres. Not just that, but life is more enjoyable this way. I know damn well those past years of mine, being that I was in the self pity, jealous hole that I was in, my parent was metaphorically in spirit out there cursing at me saying "man the fuck up and laugh at yourself, you seriously need it. And stop taking the shit life throws at you so seriously" 😂
Despite the accident I can say 100% my parent, if they were able to and still alive, would still be laughing at their situation and of how funny life can be sometimes. Not saying my experience has any merit for any one else's situation, just offering my humble human perspective. Cheers to all reading this ☀️
one thing with a guaranteed zero ROI: self pity
Lost my wife to cancer with 2 kids ages 5&3. This resonates. But the best way for me to carry (her) forward is making her proud and still active the dreams we talked so vividly about.
Thanks for opening your story for us to read.
Lost my dad at 18. Fell into a ditch, banged his head off a rock, fell unconscious and died of hypothermia We didn't find his body for two days. Family life was already spiralling out of control. Can't go into because it still hurts and the facts are genuinely messed up. Part of me is relatively successful as a result of me not wanting to "end up that way" and part of me is totally messed up because I carried stuff into my adult life that I simply did not know how to overcome and nobody knew how to help me, even though they were all utterly convinced they did know how. I've lost almost all trust in people.
@ALEX LEE hey man what's 4 4 48 challenge?
@ALEX LEE wow. That takes mental strength. Kudos to you.
Damn. Going to go watch the full conversation now. Alex Speaks so eloquently it’s super impressive.
This segment shifted my thinking in a way that would serve me for life, or at least until I decide to change my beliefs again. Thank you Alex for being bold.
my god how much you’ve grown your channel while just being your authentic self. Alex, you’re my “Internet dad” and I continue to seek any wisdom you are willing to offer to your audience, keep being you
This is absolutely brilliant. Your perception is all that matters, or doesn't matter. Shift the odds in your favor by deciding what holds 'meaning'
The main thing here is that if you have the ability to remove yourself from the problem ( trauma) then you have the ability to solve it and move on. Stay emotionally unattached and you will have a different perspective of every situation. Great vid Alex.
"When people are given resources that they weren't taught how to use or manage, it destroys them. It's too much potential energy"
Fucking amazing way to put it. Alex is a true role model
The lottery situation 😊
Ayn Rand said the same with different words: if a man's money is smaller than him then it serves him; if it is bigger than him then it destroys him.
Loved the chat and as a Christian who has also studied apologetics and similar supporting topics understand exactly what you meant on all of it. Essentially you moved to emotionless nihilism which it at very least very logically consistent and that is admirable in its own way. That said, I wasn’t sure I understood why your easy argument against Christianity was actually a rebuttal to anything. As you said, it depends on what we mean by the words we use and I think the key one that may have been at issue is what scripture means by faith. Modern Christians think it is just to believe a certain set of propositions to be true and so don’t have any sense of action or duty called upon them. They can believe something is true and then not act as if it is and will rationalize that they are saved.
Dr. Michael Heiser defines faith best I believe by describing it as “believing loyalty”. It’s about knowing who God is and staying loyal to Him. We see this in David, he always knew God and never worshipped another all the while messing up along the way and doing amazing feats too. So it’s not a 49/50/51% ratio scale of actions and nor is it just about how strongly you believe a set of statements. It is an active belief that brings about loyalty to His commands and not turning away from God.
I’m sure you had other issues with the faith but as that was all you listed I figured I would say some thoughts on the topic. Wish you the best, love the content.
Well said, and I had the same perspective in his line of thinking. It is the active belief that proposed a greater future for Alex and in doing so, elevated him to where he is, where we all strive to progress. Faith is at the forefront. And faith has no judgement on the metrics to which we deploy.
Unfortunately he doesn't care about the comments so he won't see this😅
@@azonto1232 Let's hope God makes him check this once!
The idea of the ratio scale wasn't just to question one's strength of faith but rather to put into perspective that there will be other people who think they have they also have an "active loyal belief". It would be foolish to say that believers never doubt God, it's impossible to be that irrational despite the fact that the belief system is based on trying to find logical reasoning to justify an emotional connection. Thus you reach the proposition that there are 'stronger' active loyal believers than others, which leads to the 49/51 ratio.
@@godmode2461 I hear you, but to his point, what if we don't reach the proposition that there are "stronger" active loyal believers than others. And to let go of judgement in the realm of "works", predisposition, etc. God knows ones heart and that is the mystery that supersedes and transcends logical reasoning. The journey is from the head to the heart. The logical, rationale mind (wrestling with ones existence and meaning) VS the feeling of being (not doing) - free, alive, and in love. That is the romance that keeps us all going. It's fun to play around with ideas like this, but the core to us as humans all stems from love. Love cannot be deduced to logical rhetoric. There's something to that. Something worth exploring.
Funny I was talking about this the other day. How positive and negative energy affects our body. So, If I quit viewing something as being bad, it won't have the same effect on my body or life.
you just have to remember to be able to separate that with how you treat other people because it can cause major damage to other people
The "chips" thesis is so well articulated. Really does a lot to question the idea of "leaving a legacy" in particular.
I think legacy is a real thing.
thats why we still remember the founders of America.
I think you can live a fulfilling life if you have a bigger vision than yourself.
@@eldisperez if you expand time out long enough then you probably won’t remember the founders though, we only do because we’re not far removed from it. Few people besides history buffs and historians can name all of the people involved in creating all of the ancient empires that existed in the past. And some remnants of certain empires are for sure lost and nobody will ever know about them today or in the future. And if you really take it to the extreme, scientists believe that around 7 billion years from now the sun will explode and become a nebula and essentially turn everything on Earth (and Mercury, Venus etc) into dust, including any traces of civilization remaining on the planet. What legacy will remain then?
Of course a lot can happen in 7 billion years, but I think people really overstate the importance of legacy.
@@SteelPlated But what if legacy isn't about the ego boost of having your name remembered and more about doing something meaningful that allows other meaningful things to be built off of it? Maybe a small percentage of people can name 10 founders of computer science, but we all benefit from their deciding to do something meaningful today.
@@eventualrobot that’s very true. Even if everything turns to dust at some point, providing something useful and helpful to the world for as long as it’s around is absolutely worth doing.
It’s nice on one hand but on the other it kinda implies life is a zero sum game
7:12 From here it gets really good. I too can get a lot of drive out of existentialism when framed like that. When you talk about the piece of land, and how futile our legacies really are, that's really eye-opening!
Some of these ideas were shortchanged, I think reasonable rebuttals were needed to flush certain examples or concepts out. The examples of trauma in ancient times versus now are similar. Death of a parent prematurely was more common back then, and cultures still mourned for weeks and sometimes months after a person’s passing. Because it isn’t happening now doesn’t mean we can assume it wasn’t traumatic. People often don’t take the step to associate emotion/trauma/turmoil with times they didn’t live in. Instead we often think, “People were tougher back then.” Dating at 15 year old now and back is was still traumatic to the child. We can’t assume it was easier for child brides then. Trauma wasn’t recognized as a condition, but that doesn’t change the way one’s mind deals with emotional shock. I do agree that categorizing conditions and acceptable reactions creates weaknesses though. We have to become less wayward under pressure and tailor our mental responses. As he said, it’s a process.
Exactly. The points brought up are extremely shortsighted and simply wrong scientifically and sociologically
I agree with you as someone who used to view life similar to Alex. I hurt many people I interacted with without meaning to. Living in the moment at an extreme can have it's negatives.
The child bride thing is silly. There are still parts of the world that practice it, and the girls are still traumatized.
Do this is always what I believed growing up a born again Christian. This is why I relate to Alex on a different level. None of his content or his wife wastes our time and it’s required to review by companies we consult and my team. Love this.
Alex this was an incredible talk thank you!!!
As a trauma coach myself, I agree that we create our own traumas based on our belief systems around what happens. However! A young child doesn’t have much choice of their belief system. They grow up in environment that programs them to be susceptible to trauma. And you’re right this can fuck people up for a long time. But the truth is trauma is not healed just by convincing yourself you didn’t have trauma like you’re saying Alex. That’s denial. Trump has healed when we embrace and except our pain and learn to love and let it go. That is a very emotional process and your logical nihilistic view is not helpful for people who are struggling
Spot on. And to his example, both 15 year old girls were traumatized, it's just no one asked them.
Bad things happen. If you skip the processing part, it WILL come for you. Mid life. Late life. Life has a way of catching up with you, whatever you want to believe.
Totally agree!
Alex, just found your channel. I've been an avid follower and practitioner of stoicism for over a year, and see many parallels to the ideas you've discussed. It's all about separating the internal from the external. Aligning with oneself is all that really matters.
I am new to Alex and love his insights. I feel he is genuine and brilliant beyond words. As a long time Christian and recently back in the faith I'd love to hear Alex discuss his views with other Christian apologists. Not in a debate format where each is trying to prove something but in thoughtful conversation. From his discussion I don't get his false binary argument against Xtianity. Once one accepts Christ that work is done and the Holy Spirit takes control as far as you yield. There is no binary of believing with a greater amount of power or not. Remember in Christian Theology its God who chooses you not the other way around and your belief is magnified by His power not your own. Man cannot save himself. Prayers your way Alex and Leila on your ROAD. And Thank you.
Definitely interesting, but people were still under intense stress when loved ones died. Attachment and grief is also apart of biology
The level of consideration here is outstanding. You can tell there's a standard of excellence (and a lot of pressure) to be efficient and deliberate
why does that matter
@@MikeGubisch it won't matter to everyone. I think it's an inspiring note to success - pay attention and do things with intention
@@fitforfreelance i was making a joke haha
So refreshing to hear this. I swear I think the same way as Alex and I'm not nearly as good as breaking it down. Thanks bro 💪
I felt this hard, similar journey as Alex for me
As someone who grew up in a different country and came to America later in life, I definitely see how your surroundings can affect the way to react to problems even if you are part of the “same culture”. There a multiple things that trigger my American born Latino people when we who actually grew up in 3rd world countries don’t even care about this meaningless things, we just wanna survive, provide and grow.
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That podcast helped me form a lot of my opinions of how I look at the world and was definitely impactful for me and honestly I’ve been living better sense.
So thank you for putting your thoughts out there for others to help form their own.
Sometimes changing the narrative will be the best thing that one can do. Afterall, your beliefs define your environment and your future! 👍
the chips going back to the table when we die really struck me. awesome Alex
I am in a lower position that you are now and I completely agree with what you said. The question for me is: is it even worth chasing wealth, then deciding if I still agree with your point of view or am I just making excuses because I been failing too many times in the past few years ?
Wow! I usually don't comment but this is very very "triggering" belief and profound! You just changed my whole perspective of my belief. What a great way to live life! Many thanks to you Alex for sharing your belief.
I started listening because of this interview! Really helps hearing your points and appreciate the experiences you share. You’re reaching people, so please don’t stop sharing.
Where is the full interview?
Alex kept it gangsta with them and they didn’t know how to respond. Priceless. 😂
The full podcast is entirely worth the watch, love to see these segments getting uploaded to rewatch often. unrelated note - I have to know, where do you get the flannels?
Yeah, we need the flannel hookup
I came across your channel yesterday and have been binge watching your content… great stuff man! You don’t miss!
I recovered from ptsd symptoms and it was very debilitating for a long time. But it was worse I think cos I couldn’t walk and was in a wheelchair and someone threatened to kill me after I’d just had an operation so my body and brain was all fucked up. I dunno but I was really fucked up for a while but since I started to be able to walk again and did EMDR I’m ok again. My brain used to get flooded with a raised voice or a loud bang of weights dropping at the gym but it’s all gone now. I think trauma is real but it can be undone with the right help and care over time. ❤
I really like the ethereal casino analogy and have held a similar belief for some time.
In the business game, we create systems for generating and storing potential energy to do more cool stuff.
In the end, it is to grow as much as we can, live fully, create choices, and find meaning in sharing these resources and experiences with others.
If there is a better way to see it, let me know so I can adopt that perspective.💪🔥
You make excellent quality points. Very stoic. What is a life worth leading? Subject to interpretation. Why does this matter to me? Maybe it doesn’t.
I try to think orthogonally, and I see so many people doing things because it’s what we’re supposed to do. I do the same, we all do, and often times we don’t even realize we’re playing out our cultural context or our biology without real intention.
Best upswell of watching his videos is “I have nothing to sell you” makes me want to watch his videos more. Love it.
Daaaaamn, Alex quoting Orson Scott Card, nice. Ender’s Game FTW
This is exactly how I think and you Alex, are the first person I’ve heard talk about the world the way I view it. I grew up catholic and then went non-denominational Christian and then had my years of thinking of what you talked about and now I view the world completely different. It’s so awesome and liberating that I’m not the only one that thinks this way!
It's just amazing to see Alex just come out of nowhere and literally take over the investing space on youtube. People who have been influencers for years cannot stand with this guy.
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The Casino of life is a great analogy, I love it. Every time, when you bring it out, I remember how life isn’t all about getting money.
Makes complete sense, you choose to judge things and give them a bias, now you either created an infatuation or a resentment, you've just created a way for yourself to suffer because you only suffer in two ways.. when you perceive youre gaining what you resent or losing what your infatuated. you have to reach neutrality to be able to control your actions and command yourself, true freedom is when you do what you want regardless of your emotions. dont judge, be objective, neutralise the bias neutralise the emotion.
I’m honored to live in a time that Alex and Leila live!
Nice segment my man. Definitely agree, your beliefs should serve you and nothing is permanent.
Is a rational argument, however that’s not how trauma works nor is it how trauma is stored in the mind or body. Alex you give great business advice, not healing advice.
Trauma is when you experience flashbacks. When you freeze or yell and scream over something that appears small. Your brain ruminates, and your body shakes, and you re-experience the situation all over again. Trauma is lifelong torture. Yoga, meditation, EMDR, mindfulness, healthy living, and good friends help, but it never goes away. It is part of your life forever, no matter what you do.
I don’t agree with everything he says but I do respect that he can clearly articulate they why behind his stances.
It doesn’t sound emotion based or regurgitated from some other wealthy guru. It comes off thought provoking, genuine, and from personal experience and a non biased perspective.
Keep being cool 👍🏾
I disagree with certain aspects of what Alex says, but his openness is what makes him such a compelling thinker and speaker. He admits that even some of his statements are beliefs statements. Amazing self awareness and you can tell he thinks deeply before ever uttering a word
I found you a few days ago and I'm glad I did. Not through Graham, but you have helped myself and a lot of people. Thank you
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Alex, you are so wise and mature for your age. Thank you for sharing!
Alex the insane focus and hunger in these thumbnails are killing me 😂 great job
Alex, I like to think that I'm a smart guy. I'm not even a shadow compared to you. You blow my mind. You keep rewriting how I THINK! Not just give me food for thought, but physically changing how I think. I'm in shock, again. Thank you for sharing, always share. Please
Good advice. But it’s also good to know what your limits are.
I just love that line, I have nothing to sell you... Kinda makes me want to buy something from him, probably why his so successful hmmm... His just authentic
Like I always say...be very careful for the things you choose to care about..there is real power in that choice
Hahaha that’s awesome and a very good perspective. Money doesn’t matter because you eventually die and it goes back to the game. Then you can really figure what makes you happy in life.
Alex, by chance if you read these, your podcast w/Graham was an amazing look into your mental framework. Incredible stuff to chew on.
Awareness and freewill. Alex comes from the mountain top all is possible!
So so much value thank you 😊 😊
This. Is. Deep.
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Basic question to ask myself is why does it matter and what does it matter? It's really freeing.
In regards to his comments about estate planning I find his perspective interesting and odd. I imagine most people do estate planning aren't thinking of 500 generations out into the future and realizing that in the grand scheme of things it won't have an impact on that 500th generation. I would think most people think about their children, the humans that they're responsible for and how the assets they've accrued might help them to pursue a life of moral, intellectual, and spiritual contemplation. Aristotle talks about this that the purpose of society is to work collectively to alleviate our burdens so that we have the chance to pursue the intellectual life.
It's interesting that he takes the perspective that if his impact would be diluted over 500 generations that his actions are ultimately meaningless. So if hypothetically he was emperor of the world and his actions were impact his family for a thousand generations then his assests would have significance?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Alex.
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Alex is amazing! You just can't help but love the guy!
Alex is seriously soo smart
MIND BLOWN! AMAZING PODCAST.
Totally true. “Everything is opinion.” -Marcus Aurelius
That’s why it’s important to reinterpret your experiences and give them positive meaning.
Man! I know I already Watched the Podcast but I still love watching these again haha
Trauma comes from not expecting something bad to happen, and not having a framework to understand it when it happens. That is why some people experience one situation as trauma, and other people do not.
Here's a question that puzzles me all the time... I love my wife so much which also means I deeply care a lot about what she thinks of me... obviously, it's not always just positive... which leads to drama, me feeling hurt, me probably overreacting etc... I've had periods where I choose not to care. No drama, more peace at home. Problem solved? But then we end up pretty much not having relationships... at least not intimate, caring, loving relationships, just a co-existence... it's like a direction towards a divorce. If you care, you live in pain. If you don't - you pretty much don't even live together. Any advice would be appreciated.
That's a valid point mate. In the year since have you come to any conclusions?
I guess by the time you stop caring the problems is... You stopped caring.
And I'm not sure how to feel about this. But caring and being cared for makes me happy, perhaps it makes you happy.
Maybe this desire for care amd caring has been trained into me by culture, my childhood, my society, or biology.
But does it not exist for me nevertheless?
And what should we do about it then? We can let go and not care any longer. But we risk losing ourselves to the abyss where we would just stop caring.
What if when we're 40 we realised that this was something we truly wanted.
We should go after things we truly want. But then you care.
Then there is emotion. When you don't care there is no emotion. And there are few mistakes.
Fucking powerful. Biologically this is similar to Epi genetics & the perception of stimuli being more impactful than the stimuli itself.
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was MEANINGLESS, a chasing after the wind; NOTHING was gained under the sun. Then I turned my thoughts to consider wisdom, and also madness and folly. - Solomon
Life under the sun is such..
Personal mindset to succeed. Check.
No matter how much I read, watch or listen to Alex, I learn a lot of valuable lessons. How did you get so much wisdom. All makes sense.
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Alex Hormozi first off I have mad respect for what you have accomplished and what you are continuously doing with your valuable content.
You have spoken about your growth with the mentoring of Russell Brunson and I'm curious if you have considered mentoring with Jay Abraham?
I appreciate your voice so much. There's so much new age stuff and know it alls without much backed up or thoroughly combed
My friend! I sent Leila an email that I didn’t edit and address to her, rookie move from a rookie, but I would love to talk with both of you about my plan to save SF combat vets. Love yall
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Yo.. I think the 15 year old girl in your example would still have had trauma even back then Alex.. 😂
Not really since it was a normal act, based on biology. Two adults being intimate with each other isn't traumatizing. Just because 15 years old girls today is as mature as 5 year olds girls 200 years ago, doesn't make young adults 200 years ago as immature as teenagers today.
13yo were considered adults then. 25 yo are considered children today.
Huge difference in how we view things.
Therefore, no, it wasn't traumatizing doing something natural 200 years ago.
This is good. We give meanings to what mean to us.
I disagree with Alex on this one. Trauma 500 years ago and trauma now was still trauma. Our brains 500 years ago processed that trauma 500 the same way it does now, it's just that 500 years ago the results of that trauma (in the form of things like destructive behavior) may have had you labeled as possessed or a demon, a witch or something else. Or you died before the consequences of the trauma could be felt or the society just accepted your behavior as "normal" doesn't mean it wasn't trauma. I mean it took humans until Vietnam to start to really comprehend PTSD. 1000 years ago it still existed, they just didn't understand it. It's not trauma because we think of it as trauma, it's trauma because it actually has a negative effect on your entire life and the biological, mental and emotional processes of your brain and it's of no fault of your own. You can't just will it away, you need to get actual help.
Agreed, and 500 years is a comically short amount of time. People were definitely mourning the loss of a parent in 1522.
Your the man Alex! Keep up the great work leading by example.
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The point is…do you know nothing matters while at the same time everything matters….it’s a question of how they matter and why…
You have logistically broken down the law of duality and how everything is a measurement of 2 polls and never just one. Namaste & Fulfillment 🙏
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Just stared listening. GREAT stuff. Matches well with Steve Pressfield's 'Do the Work'.
Thank you for your advice Alex!
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I’ve been having some similar thoughts but this was so well articulated, epic 😎
I really enjoyed this video Alex as a born again Christian & going through life you have a humble great beliefs that matter in life to you very thankful
After the 500th generation chips cashed comments, Hormozi has confirmed himself as the best business guru out there. Mind blown. 👏
I need elaboration/clarification. @7:43 you say I don't think about what makes me happy vs. unhappy. Then at @7:53 you say those are things that you enjoy.
Great stuff! But there seems to be an inconsistency: Once you reject that the connection between situations and emotions is real it follows that you wouldn't do anything anymore since it's meaningless.
Why do things have to be meaningful for someone to still do them?
@@jonathanjarl875 Why are you doing them? If it's because it's fun you might as well just have fun doing nothing.
The point is he is doing things because he enjoys doing them but at the same time says that any emotional reaction is cultural or a personal decision.
@@nicholaslebaron2223 do you think everything you do is meaningful? I do a lot of things that I don't regard as being meaningful.
@@jonathanjarl875 This is not the point I'm making. He's deriving joy from certain activities what is inconsistent with the notion that a.) Nothing is intrinsically meaningful and b.) You decide wether someting makes you happy or not.
pain is just pain. you dont decide pain. you just decide what you do with it.
This was a good one! Considering went through something the other day. It was really helpful! Thanks Alex!
8:10 I literally just developed this mindset and I'm grateful I looked at this here
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Oh my goodness. I have always felt like a black sheep in the family for thinking this way. Not totally everything you think but close. Thanks for sharing