Jupiter Hell & Dreamscaper (Zero Punctuation)
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- This week on Zero Punctuation, Yahtzee reviews Jupiter Hell and Dreamscaper.
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well that ending is not something i expected.
Will do m,lord
could you give fuga melodies of steel a try
Was that slow enough, though?
…I just realized; he went through an entire drought period without doing a "let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything, tee hee hee".
Honestly with lots of modern games being meh to me Retro reviews and Industry reviews are the most engaging
Does this mean the industry hasn't screwed up massively or that yahtz just had better indie games?
@@Pedro_Colicigno well blizzard definitely fucked up enough to have an episode on it
@@Pedro_Colicigno Yeah the Blizzard/Activision situation was definitely fucked up enough to justify a video. Same with Riot.
@@princessaria I mostly get my game news from Yahtzee, what happened recently with Blizzard/Activision?
These past few reviews have been the best in years. Definitely 2010 vibes. I hope it's because The Escapist is no longer dependent on TH-cam money so they can produce what the content they want to!
Yahzee literally keeps getting better
Partially so! We're doing very well because of those subscriptions / the livestreams we do etc. Glad you guys are enjoying the content cause we're having a lot of fun making it and seeing new folks join up every single day to support.
The effect when all the variety in a roguelike doesn't work because everything FEELS the same is called the "one thousand bowls of oatmeal problem": they're _technically_ different but they work exactly the same in practice. I've always loved this metaphor... just visualizing it instantly gets the point across, no pesky theory necessary.
But now imagine if I don't know what oatmeal is
@@miagi1337 You are describing good or decent rogue likes, the comment described bad ones, his point still stands.
@@axios4702 what if there were random bowls of oatmeal that exploded in your face or others that had a slight fart smell
@@miagi1337 that means the oatmeal has some really nice raisins or good walnuts or something in it. Sure it's the same, but if it has really good touches and is well put together it can still be exciting.
It really does.
Zero Punctuation has officially covered the proxy war in yemen more thoroughly than the entire corporate press.
corporate press is too busy framing people to worry about actual news
Still true to this day
did not expect the geopolitical circumstance of the Yemeni in this video.
ZP is not just nob gags, i will have you know! Ok, it mostly is, but sometimes there's more to it
End text says ‘I don’t actually know anything about Yemen I just googled “shittiest place to live right now” ‘
Yahtzee stole my standard "Meanwhile in Yemen/Syria/Afghanistan..." response to frivolous news stories and pointless Internet drama.
Video starts with irrelevant whining about current real or perceptual sociopolitical ills and ends with jabs at people who most commonly insert irrelevant whining about current real or perceptual sociopolitical ills in their conversations.
Genius? Conceitedness? A bit of both most likely.
"Was that slow enough Nick?!"
"That's what he said"
"I feel called out." 😄
Is it me or was this faster then usual?
@@bartvandemortel nah
How did you post this 5 days ago if the video's only been up for 5 hours?
That last strike on Dreamscaper was savage
Excellent.
3:12 Yahtz that's literally enter the gungeon. There's even a gun that fires tshirts and is very low tier so you find it often. The fun there is that guns are not the usual "point at thing and it dies" guns in enter the gungeon always have a gimmick, but it spices things up to me
Makes it even more sad that he never gave it a go, and it's far too late now
Yeah, this is why enter the gungeon is probably my favorite roguelike
@@pablozaid6078 but Spelunky 2.... :(
@@Anonymos185 I think he did. But said that all the guns felt functionally samey despite the gimmicks.
@@АртурСтрах-е7ж He has not reviewed EtG.
Oh yeah and try Noita, it's hard as balls but in a funny way where you'll die because you set too many dudes on fire and now you're asphyxiating from the smoke
Games phenomenal
Yahtzee already played noita he just never reviewed it.
I always smile whenever Yahtzee mentions how much he loves Persona 5.
It is a good feeling, yes.
i hope he one day he will play the main series as well (at least SMT 3 and SMT 5 when it comes out). They are so different from Persona 3, 4, 5 that there is enough stuff for a review
s a m e
I swear him liking a JRPG with an anime artstyle always makes me confused for a moment because it's so out of character for him.
I never thought I'd live in a timeline in which Yahtzee hears Persona and goes "that's my jam"
OOF that 2010 web comic reference had me nodding in utter agreement XD
Err, Jupiter Hell does have controller support. It even says so on the Steam store page.
Wow that last quip got a bit dark...
Too bad you didn't mention the predecessor of Jupiter Hell : a completely free game named DoomRL. Also ascii-art top-based roguelike, but the combat is very interesting, very brutal, and often getting close up and personal is better than trying to snipe from cover. Enemy variety is also extremely good.
Jupiter Hell does have controller support, as stated in the very first tutorial screen. More so - the game encourages you to use a controller for best experience.
Jupiter Hell has a (spiritual) prequel called DRL or DoomRL or D**M, the Roguelike (like as oppose to lite). So it is more of a Doom Clone Clone :D.
The whole time Yahtzee was describing it I was thinking "wow this sounds a lot like the DoomRL I played for hours back in middle school"
@@cloudbroken It's made by the same developers and everything. Jupiter Hell is pretty much DoomRL as a for profit indie game instead of an open source freeware game.
@@wallyhackenslacker not just that but the game got into legal trouble because Bethesda threw a tizzy fit over them marketting the game with "From the creator of DOOMRL". They settled on removing that bit of marketting but it was still rather shitty. Considering they are still allowed to freely distribute DRL.
But yeah, Jupiter Hell is DRL but in 3D. And it's just as exact with how it plays as DRL was back when it released.
@@krakixel IIRC they rebranded the game from Doom The Roguelike to DRL because of a legal threat from Bethesda as well.
@@krakixel huh neat. I really preferred the originally ASCII art style. I installed what I guess was the latest iteration of DoomRL a couple years back and saw it had graphics and that... killed some of the charm for me I guess. Well, maybe I'll pick up Jupiter and show my appreciation.
yeah, i kinda do want play space hulk over and over. let's go.
You say that now, wait until you actually have to set it up and realise you need 9 fucking tables for it.
@@Ziggsters1515 that's why you play the computer version.
Jupiter Hell has controller support though? I've been playing on Steam for hours with an Xbox pad.
That's not how question marks work
It was probably patched in between when he played it before last week, and today. Remember, this episode came out a week ago
They must've added it to make Yahtzee look stupid and for no other reason
@@VertSecretStash It's a valid use of a question mark? In this case it expresses confusion and a questioning tone rather than a specific question
@@serban031 the episode came out a week ago, but usually yahtzee's videos don't come out until another week after he actually played it. So he would've been playing the game back in early August really.
Dude I've been playing Juiter Hell on my controller. I don't know what you did wrong, but it's definitely great on a controller.
You cant ask Yathzee to pay attention during the tutorial. That way Developers wouldnt be able to make fun off him.....
That introduction was splendidly yahtzee.
That point about randomizing the core gameplay rather than the levels makes me think of Bunker Punks, which pulled that off pretty well actually
Jumping off your last point in Dreamcaster, that could actually make for a really funny game. An angsty teen from a good home, who is nonetheless convinced his life is terrible for perfectly mundane reasons.
Mom won't let him go to the mall? BATTLE A DEMONIC HELLSPAWN HOLDING HIS FRIENDS HOSTAGE!
Dad just "doesn't understand the struggle?" QUICKTIME EVENT TO DODGE WALLS OF PRETENTIOUS TEXT!
Just a couple thoughts, I'm sure people can come up with more!
the funniest part of this review was when yahtzee streamed some more JH later and the highscore table showed he had barely played the game to begin with
Says a lot about how much he enjoyed it
It's a little unfair to review something without giving it enough chance to experience the variety, even if it is a little limited in the early game.
@@zarnox3071 I know I'm late but does that mean that if you don't like a game you shouldn't review it?
@@zebidybob It's fair to review it if you don't like it, so long as you actually play through more than just the beginning of it.
It's like asking someone how to cook. You'd place much more trust in someone who has a lot of experience, yet doesn't like cooking, over someone who is eager to cook, yet doesn't even know how to turn an oven on.
If the cake is made of shit I don’t need to take 5 bites before I know it tastes like shit
Is it me or does it seem like yahtzee is more "lively"?
Not complaining the content is getting better and better!
2:09.... I am confused. I've been playing Jupiter Hell with a controller for over two years. Are you drunk, Yahtzee?
P R I M A R Y G A M E P L A Y L O O P
There's a reason we call it primary.
And there's a reason it's a loop
The name of Yahtzee's prog rock band?
2:25 Ah, yes. The old Nurgle Daemon Prince model, that thing's getting on a bit.
The other is a Primaris Assault Intercessor Sergeant, this a weird set of minis.
He probably just uses the same fairly well known Nurgle model figurine each time so that people know it's specifically Warhammer 40k he's parodying.
If he's making a parody of Warhammer 40k gamers then a "Primaris Assault Intercessor Sergeant" model is perfect. That's something that only fans of the Warhammer 40k tabletop game (many of whom likely come across as nerds) would know the name of.
I'm glad we still have Yatz to be savagely honest in 2021. Thank you, sir -it makes my day.
I'm actually quite enjoying Dreamscaper. Replayability is great due to the variety, aesthetic is clean and easy to look at, definitely going to be one, like Hades, that I often return to. Also, spoiler alert, but the main character is indeed coping with the loss of her older sister to cancer. Helps justify the melancholy atmosphere.
Yahtzee has openly never been a fan of roguelites for the most part, he’s all about story over everything and most of these games have a very simple or nonexistent story
Scrambles the wonder dog came back
You should totally look at caves of qud. It’s the best rougelike I’ve ever played
Yahtzee, dude, if you don't like a game or genre then fair nuff. But c'mon, Jupiter Hell has controller support.
yeah, he talked about people calling him out on that on his last post ZP stream
what the fuck why would he lie about that
@@orosztamas1158or he didn't know
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 that's kind of his job
@@orosztamas1158 and people make mistakes when they have a lot going on like he does
You know what other game was a top-down grid, randomly generated, with turn based combat? Rogue. Not the Roguelikes, Rogue. Though in my case my experience was all with Nethack, not Rogue, but still pretty close.
Yahtzee's correct, no one really cared about the actual layout of each level. They were random and uninteresting, except for the occasional secret door. What made each run different was the completely random crap you'd find, and the similarly random mix of monsters you'd run into. Toughness of the monsters varied by level, but it's not like you were always expecting a dragon on level 10. First indication there was a dragon on the level was usually stepping into its line of sight end getting hit with a breath weapon.
yahtz is getting faster and faster on the opening sequence. i am honestly rooting he'll be able to catch up to eminem soon
Calling the early levels in Jupiter Hell easy and boring feels very odd to me after I spent a few hours on them on the second highest difficulty setting. I believe it's ultraviolence, the one that gives enemies a flat 10% CTH bonus.
Also him mentioning you just hide in cover until enemies are dead makes me think either he only played on easy, or he only played the one build that does that which I don't even think is possible on the default marine class.
Additionally you often need to make builds based on what weapons drop early on if you want to survive the midgame, so his complaint about little randomization also seems just flatly wrong.
Over the last year or so, I've started to wonder if Yahtzee is even bothering with some games. Episodes have become blandly bitter in their shallow overviews, to the point that they feel like simple paint-by-the-numbers affairs created by someone who maybe spent ten minutes on a game, skimmed through someone else's Let's Play, or read a couple of forum posts about a game.
Idk I started playing on ultraviolence and I don't think he's particularly wrong. On my third attempt I got through the entire first moon overflowing with ammo and stimpacks then got bored and wondered off.
@@BainesMkII considering he's literally lying about there being no controller support or maybe too boomer to figure out how, yeah i'd say he didn't even bother with this one.
but he talks really fast and funny so it can't be a halfassed cashgrab of a video!
@@DefinitelANonymous he made a mistake? Truly how terrible
Yahtzee: "focusing on that one special genre that is to indie games what intestinal parasites are to inexpensive Mexican food"
Me: walking simulators?
Yahtzee: "Roguelites!"
ehh, he's not _wrong_ but he's not _exceptionally_ right either.
I thought it was gonna be "small child scary world".
roguelites don't have to try for story as hard as walking simulators do, so a simple gameplay loop and some nice enough decoration and tada you got a roguelite
PLEASE do a Zero Punctuation on VISAGE! After seeing Allison Road, Routine, and various other small studio horror games go under, it was so nice to see that SadSquare Studios actually pulled through. Regardless if you like it or not, I feel they deserve more recognition.
I played the original Jupiter Hell, DoomRL. Also Freamscaper reminds me a lot of Nightmare Reaper, with the roguelike dreams.
I'd watch a mouse dive into a bowl of glitter.
I wonder if Yahtzee would like Omori. Might have the same issue with ability to review as Undertale.
Yeah… I wonder how that would work out.
I think he would roll his eyes into his skull with Omori honestly
I liked Omori. I hope he does play it.
is Omori really a game where one would roll their eyes?
Major spoilers for omori below
Yahtzee has played it. He references it at the end of the video while criticizing dreamscaper.
Wait a sec... Is Jupiter Hell a tarted-up DoomRL? *googles* Yep, it is a "spiritual successor" to DoomRL. So... This one is a rogue-like, and not a rogue-lite? I mean, it's a turn-based grid-based top-down 2D RPG with procedural level generation. It's a rogue-LIKE.
If there are any kind of persistent upgrades between runs it's a Rogue-lite. If you lose all progress on death and have to start from entirely from scratch each run it's a Rogue-like.
This isn't a correction I legitimately don't know if this game has any persistent upgrades.
@@deebzscrub None whatsoever. all you get for completing stuff is opening more challenge modes and such.
Yes, it's the same developer as DoomRL, they just had to change the name for obvious reasons. It's a classic roguelike with spiffy graphics, hence the fonts and hence the "you move then enemies move" tune-based system -- the same system that's been used since the 70's.
@@deebzscrub this is a really dumb way to distinguish roguelikes/lites. when people are asking "hey what genre is this game in" they want to know about the GAMEPLAY, not "i really need to know if u can have upgrades"
@@DefinitelANonymous It's a very important gameplay distinction, though. In a roguelike, dying means learning to play the game better next time. In a roguelite, dying means making the game easier next time. It's almost as important as the distinction between real-time and turn-based.
Glad to see your still going strong after all this time Yahtzee
That random health pickup image you used is technically a Geneva Convention violation
Yahtzee, there are so many genre-breaking mods for classic Doom, that I'm not surprised that Jupiter Hell is a thing.
There is literally a BOWLING GAME in Doom - Romero's Death Skittles. There's an idle game, the kind you find on mobile phones - Idle Doom. Jupiter Hell is just another step in Doom's attempt to take over all genres.
Huh, is Jupiter Hell the final form of Doom, The Roguelike, or did that become something else entirely?
Google could answer this, but I can't be arsed.
Spiritual successor so they could make money off it. I believe their website has sections for both DOOMRL and JH
DoomRL is still around and frankly much better than JH in my opinion, also still free. Jupiter Hell is more of it's own thing really.
@@BladeTrain3r I enjoyed the original quite a bit. I still have a version lying around that ended with the Cyberdemon instead of Spider Mastermind. I don't know anything about JH, but it's nice to see they got something for their work in the end.
Thanks for the reminder about psychonaughts 2 Yahtz. Totally forgot that was being released today. Goodbye freetime.
Yahtzee loves persona series so much...
Damn, the drought is over. I was really hoping he'd do Chicory. Real GotY contender, that one.
So if I see Persona themed Yahtzee then I know you weren't fully joking.
controller and old man wrist. a few weeks ago my wife was out town visiting a friend, and i spent the evening playing nes and snes games on her switch. it took me the better part of a week to heal. :(
on the other hand, original nes controllers are terribly uncomfortable to me to, but they were designed in the early 80's
"Sounds like Persona that's m'jam" Oh. My. God
Who doesn't like persona.
scrambles is an adorable name for a dog welldone sir! ^^
I used to run into a symbolic dream monster. Thing is, it was a symbolic dream monster representing the fact that I'm sexually attracted to symbolic dream monsters.
I haven't seen it in a while, though. Things got too awkward.
Much like the way he is describing the last game, Yahtzee did not let us know there was going to be an especially hard-hitting punchline at the end. Perhaps Dreamscape did the same
Don’t know if you read these yahtzee, but your books are hilarious!
Jupiter hells predecessor Doom RL was literally a rogue like doom clone. It was in Ascii and everything.
I haven't even played half the games Yahtzee reviews but still end up watching his reviews
I'm a little sad he didn't play Omori during this year's drought, but oh well, maybe next year
The real zero punctuation is that intro holy crap talk about warp speed.
You know, almost ten years ago I watched your review of DayZ, and installed and started playing that game. I played it for a few years, and made some friends for life and got married and moved to the gulf coast because of one of the friends. And now there's a hurricane coming right at my house, and I really think that's on you.
If that story is true, it's pretty tragically funny. 👍
@@JdotCarver Its all true
Except for the hurricane coming to destroy your house, that's a wonderful and heart warming story. (Seriously.)
However with respect I'm surprised you didn't know how bad East Coast weather could be before you moved? Like again with respect didn't you read about all those stories of big East Coast cities like New York City getting their asses handed to them by flooding and snow storms and rain storms on a regular basis? (I'm half joking here.)
Worst case scenario though (although for your sake obviously I hope it doesn't come to this) I bet your insurance company will repay you the costs of the damages. Like if people from Florida can get their houses destroyed by storms every few years and Uncle Sam and the private insurance companies keep paying out to help them rebuild on the exact same spots each time, I'm sure Uncle Sam and the insurance companies will help pay you to rebuild after a once in a lifetime storm.
Also maybe you could buy a "tiny home" and park it on your yard and live in there while you rebuild.
I'm genuinely uncertain whether Yahtzee is aware of the fact that Jupiter Hell is literally a serial-numbers-filed-off full game version of the "Doom: the Roguelike" indie game, and probably counts as Doom's half-brother or something, or whether he isn't. Doom: the Roguelike isn't exactly world-famous, but I still expect Yahtzee would at least have heard of it, particularly if he actually picked up Jupiter Hell.
4:51 Lmao.
5:52 You're a Little Endian!?! Gasp!
The opening sounds like a auction.
Frickin ay I thought I had double speed on for the intro by accident
Jupiter Hell is basically an updated version of a game called "Doom RL" - which was literally Doom in a top down and ASCII format.
With an optional Doom-based graphical tileset by Derek Yu of Aquaria and Spelunky fame.
Normally I'd bang on about "just because other people have it more difficult than you doesn't make your problems any less...well, problemy." but I just like that ending too much.
I mean perspective is always useful
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 perspective is all well and good but pointing out a cancer patient to someone with a broken leg isn’t going to unbreak their leg or cure the other dudes cancer for that matter. Most of the time ‘perspective’ is just guilting people into ignoring the fact that their house got broken into because their cousin’s house burnt down so do you _really_ have problems?
@@emilybarclay8831 I mean the point still stands. What issues does the protag of dreamscaper have that justify nightly battles with spectral demons?
Cliff bars 😂
Jupiter Hell isn't a roguelite, it's a full-on traditional roguelike, you can even play it all in ASCII mode.
I am slowly realising that yahtzee is a 40k fan
Hey, Mark Meer does the voice in Jupiter Hell. Doom meets Mass Effect.
"like an overwritten student webcomic from the 2010s"
i feel personally attacked...
Hey, i was wondering if you could do a zero punctuation on factorio?
Anybody think he was describing "Catherine" when Yahtzee was describing Dreamwalker? Lmao
*Zero Punctuation heavy metal album of the week:*
*Fricaseed Demonic Ballsack* by *Secondhand Soviet Nuclear Reactor*
Someone should make a roguelike with rogue like game play. Every new room has randomized game play and randomized layouts. Like some rooms are a top down shooter, others are dark souls clones, others are a rhythm game etc. Something light and jokey
DAMN!!!! that's the most SAVAGE take on sea of solitude i've seen.... LOVE IT!
Anyone else notice the skyline at 4:27 is Philadelphia? Or am I crazy?
Furthermore, who cares if the level layout is randomized each run if it's never different in any meaningful way? And who cares if it's always different, but the layouts are never even close to as good as a single hand-crafted level designed with thought and intelligence and purpose? I'd rather play the same single GOOD map over and over again than pointlessly different bad randomized layouts over and over again. Procedural generation could be good in theory if it were advanced enough, but in actual practice, the cost in quality is always much higher than the benefit in variety, in my experience.
With that said though, I'm only confident it's a bad bargain from the player perspective. I still suspect the actual selling point and reason developers choose procedural generation isn't the variety, but rather that it's easier to make a game's worth of procedurally generated maps than a game's worth of hand-made maps.
Another thing might be that having randomly generated maps in a game adds more replayability. Like there's probably many comouter gamers that want lots of value from their purchase, even if the game in question is only $20USD or less
This video gets a like from me just for the "Is it slow enough Nick?"
Is Scrambles the dog an Achewood reference?
the forbidden episode the Main website refused to let anyone watch XD
5:46 Jesus that's a cold shower
Yahtzee out here casually assassinating Jeph Jacques' Questionable Content comic
Lol yeah. All it needs is a coffee shop, random indie music references, several lesbians with emotional issues and some ACAB nonsense and they'd be set.
*Zero Punctuation prog rock album of the week:*
*Exciting Violent Spectacle* by *Symbolic Dream Monster*
Gotta appreciate a 35 second ad break
Glad to see the Twix made a come back
Given how Yahtzee wanted to punish all those who didn´t buy Psychonauts it will be interesting to hear what Yahtzee thinks of its sequel.
Dreamscaper is a lot of fun. But the faceless thing being weird.
In that intro I legitimately thought I had the video on 1.25x speed or something.
Hope he does one on library of ruina
playful mice "yes thats a good tictok idea thanks Yatzee"
Thanks!
Thank you!
That ending though...
Fawking loved the ending muahhahshahhahs
Nick here:
Do the intro in half the Time Yathzee!
I laughed way too hard at the Yemen thing
Never heard of the word "doom-clone".
When i was younger, magazines, vg-website and kids were talking about "doom-like"
3:33 LOL!!!!!!!!