The Best Knife Defense Is Not Knife Defense
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
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@@hard2hurt is a Douche-bag....
Lmao..xD
Superb instruction as usual.
I agree but I at first you have to control it
You can be Icy Mike if Icy Mike changes his name to Spicy Mike. That would make a lot of sense to me.
Losing control of a weapon in a fight is more terrifying than the other person having it in the first place.
It’s gotta feel like gassing out in a fight magnified. All of the sudden there’s a massive gap in ability between you and your enemy.
I had a guy assault me on a bus and I got my karambit out as quickly as I do in my light practice. I didn't even try to cut him but I shoved my blade against his throat wondering if I should slit it until I realized he just punched me I wasn't shot or anything. He grabbed the wrist with the karambit using both hands like he was strangling it to keep it immobile and by then he was kneeling on my legs and I was on my back partially leaning against the wall between the seats. By the time I'm on the ground he starts trying to shove my blade twords my face and he's bleeding all over me because the tip of the karambit got his neck only a inch deep but a few mm from his jugular(said the paramedics). And while I'm watching my blade slowly get closer to my face I just think to myself you know there's probably a technique for this because you have no time to feel emotion's in those kinds of instances. Suddenly I realized I could just grab my knife with my other hand. Both hands were together so I changed which finger was in the ring and then I swapped my grip and I just had the knife in the other hand. His eyes got bigger than hell and he realizes I could end him there but I just rolled over trying to hide my self under a bus seat. I just let him pound on my back with his weak punches knowing I could bring my blade back into the fight at will. I think he was really weak at that point because he got up off of me and tried to stomp on me but I just kept launching him back with my buff cyclist legs. He did manage to get one square foot to my face but it hurt less than a slap it was like he planted his foot on my face and shoved himself back. After that he left but didn't even get 2 blocks away. The only thing the police wanted from me was a statement but having a bus load of witnesses helps I'm sure.
@@aaftiyoDkcdicurak What does a karambit do? Did you have only that or did you have another knife meaning you had two weapons in total? Why did you just duck and not just end him then and there? I can sorta understand why you wouldn't want to stab him due to legal stuff but if he was gassed out like that why not just incapacitate him in some way so that there won't be any opportunity for him to hit back just like he did with punching your back and pressing his foot on your face? idk if it's just me being paranoid but I feel like it isn't guaranteed that you'll be fine with just ducking as in I feel like it could've gone worse if he wasn't gassed out or didn't have weak punches and feet or if it was someone else attacking you and not him. It's nice knowing there were witnesses but did anyone do anything to help you and if no, why not? What about the driver? How can he leave? After what he did, wouldn't the driver want him kept in one place so it'll be easier to contain and arrest him? And how come he didn't even get 2 blocks away? Was he caught by the police or did you chase him? Regardless, I don't know why a guy assaulted you on the bus just like that or if he had some sorta reason but I hope he's the one that faces legal consequences and trouble and that you're good and safe.
If I practice, may I ask you for fighting advice including fighting against someone who has any kind of weapon (knife, gun, sword, brass knuckle, etc.) while you don't have a weapon, fighting to prevent having your hands tied and karambit taken away from you (I still don't know how he even tied your hands. Did he have rope with him or something?), fighting to know how to get out of the situation you were in where your hands were tied and karambit was taken away, and fighting so that I will have the opportunity to end the assaulter instead of hiding under a bus seat (ngl idk if I can fit under a bus seat hence this last part)? May I ask you advice on how to fight with any kind of weapon, never lose it in the process, and knowing how to fight in case it does get lost or out of your control? It's nice knowing that you're capable of ending someone so I want to be like that or stronger, more energetic, and better even.
@@twentyonetortas5921 A karambit is a knife and no rope was involved 🤣 basically he sucker punched me then I put my blade to his neck and pushed him back with the flat of it before I realized what he actually did to me (a OTF can make you quick as wolverine) the tip still got him because karambit. When I realized he was punching me I felt like I probably didn't need to kill him. After that we started wrestling for control of the knife. That's when he was strangling my wrist with his hands to keep my knife hand immobile and shove it in my face. That's when I realized he was stronger than me and I had think of what to do while I'm using all of my might to keep my own blade out of my face and then oh hay I can just grab it with my other hand and now I can kill him at will again. Instead of bringing the blade into play again I rolled over and held my knife hand under a bus seat and used my body like a door so all he could hit was my back but I could change that if I wanted. He got up after that but came right back and that's when the kicking started. He was standing by then so I think he actually saw the police and ran. By the time I got control of my knife I was begging him to let me get my first aid kit I wanted to treat him but you can imagine his reluctance. The first thing I did when he actually ran off the bus was open my backpack and look for him because everyone rushed off the bus when the driver hit the brakes but cops and ambulance were there which probably wouldn't happen today. They took me to a local hospital I don't know where he went. everything but my underwear was covered in blood and put into evidence. They gave me some donation bin clothes recorded my statement and that was it. I was cleaning his blood out of my ears with q tips for 2 day's.
@@aaftiyoDkcdicurakkarambits remind me of that guy who lifts weights and does Krav maga to hide the fact that he's gay.
I love the war stories and Ryan’s techniques and the intensity with which he does them. I can tell he has really made things realistic and strategized accordingly.
The whole "well you're not probably going to fight with a trained person" sounds like a fallacy. But unless you have a personal beef with someone you know trains, it is unlikely that someone with a rough enough life and socioeconomic status to pull a weapon on a stranger also has the free time and money to go train a bunch. Yeah you have your edge cases. You have a drunk guy who used to be special forces or something, but he's the anomaly. It's a punk who wasn't brought up right, that's the usual.
Anyone with a knife and intent can be dangerous. Regardless, we can’t control their level of training or preparation, all we can control is ours.
Special Forces don't usually know how to fight that well. They spend more time learning how to shoot people in the back of the head than actually practicing mixed martial arts.
Very true depending on the country you are in
@@Smp_lifting lol okay. They're broke af and doing crimes but also have the discipline to train? Lol come on man. It's clear you've lived a very privileged life.
@@ReturningGlory Why do you think they don't have discipline?
it's so cool to see an already very experienced martial artist start to get way better at something new AND practical.
This was an awesome weekend of training. Plenty to take away from this course.
Appreciate your participation!
@@FitToFightRepublic of course!
The fact that those criminals didn't try to do anything other than keep pulling the knife like an untrained person would is interesting and sparks a thought. A lot of times people will say a particular martial art or individual move isn't great for MMA but is at least good against the untrained person, and then the typical counter-argument is that criminals are not untrained people. Violent criminals have been in lots of fights, so theoretically they should have different responses than some average person who gets into a fight over an argument, being drunk etc.
I wonder if there's any data on how many people who are convicted violent criminals have formally trained in martial arts. Probably not, because no one would think to quiz convicts on that, but it would be interesting to know if it were at all feasible to glean any idea. Are criminals taking martial arts classes at a greater or lesser rate than non-criminals? Are they watching TH-cam videos that depend on the criminal doing action A, and deciding to do action B, or C? Under the assumption that most criminals are impulsive and not very bright, perhaps not, but who knows. How iterative is the game?
As you said, getting actual data on that is a tough task, but in short, yes, there's a big criminal martial arts scene. There are violent Neo Nazi groups like RAM or the proud boys who train in their own gyms and there are gyms run by organized crime just to name two examples. And these are just in the US. In Europe it's even worse.
If you think about all the videos called "streetfighter vs boxing coach" etc and seeing all the street guys get smoked everytime then most criminals probably have no formal gym experience, on the other hand tho even Mark Zuckerberg trains jiu jitsu and mma so it's best to assume everybody has some basics now
Criminals are opportunists. They target people that look easy to rob. People that aren't paying attention or look like they can't put up a fight. They don't expect you to fight back. You see alot of videos on ASP where the guy isn't paying attention. But to answer your question no you will never be attacked by an expert trained person. Unless you provoke it. People who train, train for defense. I'm sure you've heard situational awareness beat to death. Well situational avoidance is the 2nd part to that. I'm trained and have experience in actual life or death situations. I'm not going to go walking through the ghetto late at night. Don't place yourself in the scenario in the first place.
The percent of legal martial arts training is the same but in gangs the most of the people have training in illegal martial arts clubs
@@juanmanuellopeznovas7908 You just violated the first rule of fight club 🤣
I did that course in February. So much fun. One of the best knife defense courses I've done.
Thank you 🙏
what it was like? just butch of videos or what?
@@user-jh9nw6bz6f almost all hands on
@@jomess7879 i don't get it. so there is bunch of videos and text manuals only?
I have to be honest with you. I was never into your videos but, I’ve been watching more and more , and really watching them now. I have to say, you really do give out some great information. Thank You I’m glad I’ve never gave up on your channel.
Ryan’s (and the entirety of Fit to Fight) approach for weapon defence (i.e. wrestling, clinching and striking someone with a weapon) is always a masterclass! This material is really top tier (especially the cool weird catch-wrestling wristlock after that split seatbelt takedown, I’ll experiment with that in training. Have seen Redbeard Combatives do a similar version, but with a hammerlock), and I can’t wait to get to an EoR seminar ASAP. Also-another great dude who talks a lot about fouling the draw is Kerry Murakami. He’s the owner of Rectitude Training, and he shows some pretty cool stuff to do after you get a 2-on-1, while the weapon’s in the waistband. Thank you again Mike and Ryan! Fan-fucking-tastic video as per usual.
*I would love to hear more of Mikes war story's there always entertaining*
I just started training in BJJ and kickboxing, but I'll always love Filipino escrima and Kali knife fighting.
Same with me. I do MMA now. But damn I miss beating the shit out of each other with a stick. The intensity, the beauty of the art, I hope I can find a new training partner soon.
FMA is the most important martial art, still need striking and grappling. Real people with things on the line don't throw fists, alone. To get their way. Guns, knifes or rocks/sticks with many friends.
Thank you for serving your community. Keep up the good work
Love you’re content, love Ryan Hoover, can’t wait to train with you In person! 💪🏻
Let’s go 🤜
Most legit knife defenses ive ever seen very nice guys
Many years ago I was looking through old Japanese illustrations of self defense techniques from 1600s or something. One of the techniques was simply to grab the guy and hold the butt of the sword as he is trying to draw it so that it can't be deployed.
Knife is way quicker to draw though so it’s unlikely
"grab the guy and hold the butt..."
"...of the sword"
Great vid as usual. Really thoughtful, practical discussion.
One technique I like a lot when fighting over an object (usually when I'm working on pistol retention) is the shoulder block. In bajiquan (a style kung fu called "the bodyguard style" because it was the style of the Imperial bodyguards) there's a technique called the Iron Mountain Lean or Iron Shoulder...its really just a sharp step and shoulder block at clinch range.
Great break down guys. Awesome work.
Recently I had a phrase come up in my head:
"In most cases you won't be stabbed by a pro, but by a Moron!"
Really informative mike thanks
Everything you do with these guys are so fking cool!
Thanks 😎
Great stuff guys
Thanks Bill!
This is some next level stuff from anything I ever experienced. I never even had any realistic training for it. Basic dojo bs was all. But this is good sensible stuff.
Appreciate it!
Both these guys will get POKED trying this sh*t on me. Who the hell carry’s a knife like a gun in a holster anyways
@@JohnEpresent yeah. Like I say I never got into it with a knife or with someone with a knife. You?
@@a.k.a.billthebusboy1996 no way, if someone has a knife I’m running 😹😹😹
@@a.k.a.billthebusboy1996 I honestly can’t see someone with a knife being disarmed unless they get stopped from pulling the knife out like in this video. That’s unlikely though
Love from a Vaush and SenseiSeth fan!
I like the war stories, Mike!!
This is not to brag. I want to highlight this as a warning. I had a confrontation with two guys and one had a knife. Never get caught up paying attention to the unarmed person and lose track of the one with a knife. I messed up when I took the unarmed man down and worked on getting the dominant position. I got stabbed twice and needed 13 stitches. He was only an inch from my kidney. I survived. I stood my ground. I made a very poor decision confronting the lesser threat and taking it to the ground.
I saw a video of a jewelry store stabbing. In it, the Attacker did switch knife hands when the Defender tried to wrestle him. I would never assume things won't happen. I would also never assume people aren't trained. They even have CCTV footage of prisoners training knife fighting in prison. Sure, there are statistical probabilities, but never say never.
Thanks for the great material, it gives a new perspective to the armed aggresor problem!
Thank you, Men; good to see this.
I can see my step-mom taking this seminar and then thinking she's gona disarm a mugger
Fit to fight seems like a crew of good people. I'd love to learn more from them. That Mike guy is alright too.
Excellent video. Excellent and thank you for sharing.
Good Info, got three points for ya. If you have to fight someone with a knife the best object is a chair like a barstool reach and shield, jam legs into face, if its grabbed rush forward until you can put the chair on them and sit. Second point is the most effective knife draw is the same as for pistol, side draw, if you are intent are murder get a belt buckle that will hold your knife for cross draw. Third point if you are intent on murder is you don't run up and stab stab stab, never. First you grab the person with your free hand by the shirt so you control the distance then with free hand draw and shank.
Took me a second to recognize Ryan Hoover without his beard.
Thought you were gonna have that murder expert from Scallywag back on 🤣
This is a different guy... he's a Don't Get Murdered Expert
he's referred to as Slicy Mike on this channel
@@redactedcanceledcensored6890 I thought it was Spicy Mike
Some of his tactics are nuts
Just jumping in to help - Spicy Mike and Dicey Mike are acceptable. Also, editing bios to include “Don’t Get Murdered Expert”
Have to admit...very informative video....keep up the good work👍👍👍💯👍
I hope people don't watch these videos and think that this is going to be their first resort, without training.
That'd be like if you don't play baseball, and you watch an instructional video about hitting 90 mph fastballs, and then you think that if you ever need to hit a 90 mph fastball, you'll hit a home run.
Had a dude walking behind me with a knife out in the middle of the night while walking back to my dorm.
Once I noticed, I turned around and grabbed my knife and deployed it and they jumped and ran away.
I’m honestly glad nothing came of it cuz I was entirely out of my depth. I had no knife fighting training, no knife defense training, no grappling, only my striking background. Pretty sure that had shit gone down it would have ended up as one of those “winner dies in the ambulance” scenarios.
I remember I was so fucking scared that to this day my only visual memory is just the knife and his hand. I don’t remember what he looked like, what he was wearing, even what color of skin. Just the big ass kitchen knife. I didn’t even call the police when I got back to my dorm cuz I was just in shock and didn’t think to call.
Greetings from Greece
Great stuff, Ryan is a real deal
Most people sticking up others with a knife aren't training to be ambidextrous with a knife, so switching to the non-dominant hand is not an option they exercise. But, when you train with (fake) knives, throwing a knife from one trapped hand to the other successfully is fun as hell. Also, if you're not getting your wacky knife attack/defense out in the gym to see how dumb it would be in real life, then you run the risk of trying something in a live scenario and regretting it.
2 weeks ago I had a junkie threaten me with a knife. I would have let him go but the store manager was directly behind him, so I had to take him to the ground and control him. I stopped him from taking it out of its holster, then wrist fought him until I was behind him, put him in a single arm choke, disarmed him and threw it behind the flower display and then held him on the ground until the police came. he definitely didn't fixate on just his knife, since he bit my non-choke arm while I was riding him
I had scissors put against my neck in school and I can't remember how I defended it... maybe I am dead...
The were probably the type of school scissors that have rounded ends instead of points, LOL
@@CaneFu I can't remember but they tried to cut my throat with the edge from behind
@@redactedcanceledcensored6890 Scissors ' edge aren't sharp at all, so i think they tried to cut you but failed
I can just imagine what Mike was saying while holding them.
I don’t understand why people are fixating on what Ryan said about “you’re probably fighting an untrained person”. Edge of Reality still deals with hand switches, strikes with the off hand, and learning to clinch work someone who’s both trained and with a blade. Ryan just pointed out that stuff like that is rare. He didn’t claim it never happens, because otherwise why would he teach how to stop hand switches? Ryan just used that to explain that it’s mainly unlikely that your opponent is a technical wrestler. He might be a very good fighter, which is why EoR still teaches how to stop knife attacks from people who know how to fight, but he’s probably not going to be highly trained in wrestling and clinching with a knife. Great vid, and people really need to understand how fighting works
Good Stuff men! Thanks!
Yo?! Hoover with no beard? Not used to it. Great content as always. ✊
Icy Mike is badass AF
I just started learning about Russian two on one and I did not even want to think about it in relation to a knife, that’s sick shit
Would love to see some of that grappling to striking to grappling you mentioned.
[Awesome that they both knew about Randleman (RIP) vs Fedor.]
AYYYYYY REPING THOSE UNDERDOG GLOVES!!! Ive wanted a pair of the hybrid gloves from fight tips for so freaking long. I'd love a review of them!
They're great.
@@hard2hurt that's good to hear! Thanks for replying, I appreciate it
"Oh the guy could just switch hands"
Go to your kitchen, grab a vegetable (go to the store if you dont have a veggie, fatty), put it in your dominant hand, then go get the biggest knife in your kitchen, put the knife in your non-dominant hand, and try to dice that vegetable. In a stressful situation, your body will actively try to prevent you from switching hands unless you meticulously train it to work off-hand. It takes years of practice to shoot as well off-hand as with your dominant hand.
Nice video, somehow I watched like 40 of your videos before learning that you used to be a cop. Gives some more credence to your advice
It is funny how much you bad mouthed HEMA, but in my HEMA experience these are exactly the techniques and skills we developed for fighting against the dagger. It is our club’s motto that all fighting comes from wrestling, it is as true today as it was in the 15th century.
Yeah... we wrestle better now.
This is solid 🙏👊
Hey Mike, glad to see you branching out with your collaborations, but I was wondering if you and Jay have parted ways or something? He doesn't appear in your videos anymore. Did he get tired of you creatively hurting each other? Hope you and the big guy are OK.
I guess it’s smart to subtly close the distance and stay close to him cuz if he is positioned a foot or two further away from you might give him a shot at drawing the weapon out.
More warstories!
I have too do more sparing like that
So sad I couldn't get the days off for the seminar
it was a really fun time
Who is that guy and what did he do to Ryan Hoover?! :-o
People do switch hands. Richard burtonson has an instructional on it with real video feeds
That’s Ryan Hoover?!
If you can't move your hand to draw, then move the body away from the hand to draw.
Im sure you have had someone ask this I just don't want to look through the comments but my dominant hand is my right it's broken to pieces and has healed wrong multiple times but I can still make a proper fist but it hurts to hold for any length of time is there anything short of surgery to help
You guys could totally be brothers.
what your favorite honey pot in self defense?
like to prompt an aggressor to do a particular action to make the getaway
Someone pulled a knife on me and cut themselves while we were wrestling and I didn’t even notice the knife was out I just didn’t want him to get in position to strike me. I even thought about fighting him after he picked the knife up but my glasses broke and I couldn’t tell which hand it was in
i like how you shed light into the dangers of being a police, the situation can really quickly get out of hand and all the efforts to defund and decriminalize aren't going to be making it easier. also that box cutter story was hilarious!
I work in the oilfield... It's very dangerous.... So should I treat every valve like it's faulty n gonna explode? Or that every chain is gonna break? Both of those kill ppl, should I worry bout rigger safety? No.. not s pussy, I know what the dangers of my job are, just as unpredictable as any other shitty situation, I don't quiver in fear n blame everyone else, I suck it up go bout my day. If you're so scared of ur job there's ppl nice n safe n protected in offices all over the place. Cops are just cowards with excuses to get back at everyone who bullied them. I like when cops come to the gym, they don't stay long cause we actually fight back. I've noticed they really don't like that... They like numbers or terrorizing youngsters n handcuffed ppl lol
Decriminalize? What are you talking about?
@@combatsportlover6919 didn't LA decriminalize any petty larceny that went under 99$ in value?
What do you think of push daggers? Can you do a video about push daggers? Thanks, it would be nice to know your thoughts about that type of dagger.
Mike watches Joey Diaz talk about his wild ass life. I almost never hear people say hear people say “I knew what time it was” anymore otherwise.😂😂
What about the cement frog???
my style was a very combat, hard orientated. we use to have some law enforcement come by to spar. we always had to give them extra props for their techniques. they have to "win" by subdue, restrain, with the least about "damage". yes it takes lots of practice to get where you dont focus on "death gripping" the weapon, 98% of people dont really train to fight with weapons. or perhaps if they do it is just on pulling a knife out of sheath and stabbing victim in gut, but not to what to do if victim neutralizes their 'one technique". i wonder how many disposable box cutter / Philips screwdriver assaults' there are.
Hoover legit
What did he call a "cup of sugar" in 6:15?
add someone from the u. k. i've seen machete's nose hammers hatchets all of them being pulled an like you never really understand what to do with it for it
We actually covered a machete takedown option. It’s not a common issue here in the US but we can look to get a video up about it.
I love Filipino Martial Arts especially Pekiti Tirsia Kali
Well, this fixation on "pulling out the weapon" is what caused creation of techniques that release your hands from someones grip. Remember those "grab my hand" things? Nowadays - pretty useless. In Japan were they originated, during old times? Samurais were also fixated on drawing a sword so grabing his hand was castrating him. Until someone came and said "guys...how about...we don't do this" and thought how to free yourself from grab and THEN cut them.
People fixate on their stuff. One side on drawing a weapon, other side on stopping this. Without extensive training you will not do anything else.
Can you take a look at cmbstv centrals stuff please Its knife stuff 🙏🙏
Hey Mike, you’ve talked before about potential issues with mechanical failure when grappling with a handgun. Would using a revolver solve those problems? Would it be worth carrying a revolver over a semi auto just for that?
Speaking from experience, if you front kick someone in the throat with boots on, they're dropping the knife. Getting your bell rung isn't as scary as losing the ability to breathe. Results may vary.
The best defense against any assailant is to fun faster than they can
Deadass didn’t realize that was Ryan until you said his name did not recognize him without his beard🤣
Separated at birth,now together doing cool shit.
You can't just tease the frog story like that, Mike!
1:05 don’t grapple with an oak tree 🌳 that’s never going in your favour!
Mike you can't just drop the "Cement Frog" line and not follow that up. I need so many more details!
That needs to be a new style of fighting
Took me a second to recognize Ryan without the beard
Kimura all day, every day. From everywhere.
Hey Mike is that a skid mark on the back of your head or do u just need a haircut ?
🤣 just joking buddy all ❤️
More warstories from Icy Mike!
Mike needs a new barber 😂. great content as always!
Ryan looks totally different.
flashlight defense vid when
5:15 still you could do serious damage to the hand bu your wrist
"Don't let them pull it out." They're not pulling anything out, you're pulling it out, you're just using their had to do it, sounds like a pretty dominant position to me...
The best way to survive a car accident, is to avoid the accident 😅
Kimora would be good
War stories!!!