The BEST martial arts for KNIFE FIGHTING?
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Not that many martial arts actually spend much time on knife combat, whether against knives or with knives. So which martial arts, or combination of martial arts, would be best to explore the world of knife combat?
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Take a look at Ed Calderon aka Eds Manifesto and libreknifefighting or immediateactioncombatives and Cecil Burch.
Do you have any sources on the training of ww2 german special forces.
I have looked for it but there seem almost no informations on this units and especially their training corriculum out there.
Especially in regards to had to hand / steel weapons.
Thank you for your time.
The idea of fisticuffs or pugilism being Hema sounds wrong but i suppose you are technically correct though it has it's origins in the ancient world called pygmachia=fist fighting.
Pygmachia & pale/erect/upright=Greek wresting together where used the Pankration since 648BC historically in the Olympics.
pygmachia was the 23rd ancient Olympic sport in 688BC.
Pankration was considered often considered the most dangerous Olympic sport though both combat date to before the Homers Iliad in the 8th century but to when?
I view boxing & geek wresting as a joke today compared their older forms from before rules in the 1700's & later to save live.
It is a blood sport between humans so it is meant to be violent.
boxers & wrestlers alike on occasion went though the colosseum armed with nothing against those with arms & armour.
Some boxers & wrestlers bested a lion unarmed in combat historically.
The Pankration Means (all of might) where they had no restrictions & the aim was to kill disable or force your opponent to submit.
The Greek-American combat athlete Jim Arvanitis was one of the founding members of MMA which is really just a copy of Pankration.
The Pankration is likely the best training method against a knife if unarmed, if the sport doesn't kill you.
Elite pankration had few if any rules allowing blows with any part of the body to another even fatal ones like blows to the rear of the skull for example.
You could choke your opponent out even or break all their limbs in joint locks.
Even better so was the ''falls'' that pygmachia that no one has practiced in a ring for about 2 centuries legally of illegally as it often meant the opponent's death.
I now a lot of this stuff but you won't learn it because it all in ancient Greek, Latin or middle-old English for some daft reason.
Glima/Nordicwresting is likely the likely the only choice on par against armed opponents to Pankratiast's.
Glima even give constructive advice on how to blind a man.
Glima has variant's loose grip (lausatök), trouser-grip (brókartök) & Backhold wrestling-(hryggspenna).
Their are others Varient's but surprisingly all deal with armed opponents to varying degree.
Loose grip/lausatok is considered combat Glima mind that teaches the techniques intended to harm & maim like 1 I briefly mentioned with no detail.
@@tatumergo3931 Pyxlax just means punching & kicking which was a play & later in the 90's a Geek rock band.
I haven't ever looked into kick boxing nor have i read any traditional or ancient instruction on it & trust me I looked.
if you can recall the name Tatum ergo or any sources I'd be most intrigued.
I'm not one for kicking but am familiar with (le savant) but only use the low kicks as age don't let me get my legs up high confidently.
I approve of (Muay Thai) but it doesn't meld well with traditional boxing or wresting but it works unlike most kicking based martial arts or pugilism.
In the Icelandic sagas & various laws in make mention of Glímuholl, meaning "Glima Hall".
glimpse & flash has it's origin in the word Glima that literally means fang which in Norse means grasp or capture.
Like Gefangen means to to take or seize suggesting but not always theft.
I once read something translated by bias clergy from around the 1200's that used (fangbrokken) to refer to two in a wrestle but never read it any where else.
That might be slightly misspelled as I read it a decade ago.
oldest reference of Glima i have read is 9th century Gamli Boddason (790-850) and Kveldúlfr Bjálfason (820-878).
The oldest Norse inscription date back to around the 2nd century so yes Glima is old Norse but at the later part before the Norse expansion into Britain & west Europe.
Could be older mentions of Glima but I can't recall.
Glimt meaning glimpse is used over a thousand years ago but I can't recall what poetry or saga it was used.
lausatök & brókartök to variants of Glima have older mention then Glima as a word that is all 3 are old Norse but Glima is late old Norse unlike lausatök & brókartök with mentions back to 4th & 5th century respectively on inscription at land sites & not on text.
Råbryting is the most violent form of wrestling used in the Viking age if interested.
Covers the use of weapons more so then lausatök which does covers use of weapons in the grapple but with less detail in comparison.
Rock's axes, swords that sort of thing.
Mind this isn't my field as Engineer but more a hobby past down from my elders.
My father granddad was the traditional boxer killing north Koreans with it though he learnt from his grand father john.
I learned about Old Norse & Glima from my German Great grandfather Sep & his brother Wolfgang still alive to my knowledge that Sep was part of the Youth program of that time though I suspect something being a double letter & wolgang over 8 foot was Wehrmacht.
Glima is used to refer to Norse wrestling today but originally it meant any creature in another's grasp.
So caught in the hand of a man or maw of a beast like a wold or bear.
My father ex forces as well like to think he is a boxer but he doesn't have the knack for it.
He always reverts to women's unarmed combat, a Skye's or better yet a gun when it all go's wrong.
Mind his favourite piece of kit was an entrenching shovel or better yet slurry-jelly explosive to make a fox hole to hide in.
My old man is the sort that win's by bringing a 36 gauge to a knife fight that is designed to take lorry engine blocks out.
Not honourable but he live 13 years of active service then 4 years as a mercenary.
I have to agree with him unarmed combat has it's place but that should be a fraction of training if at all.
His father disagreed though as he was up against a enemy with more numbers then they had bullets at points.
Opposition of opinions but both valid.
I think my dad's Ego was always hurt as only middle rung in unarmed but good with chemicals, machinery & a marksmen being a fellow Engineer.
Sorry for the length got onto a bit of tangent of sorts ''Tatum Ergo''/''Therefore''.
You like your Latin I presume by your user?
@@tatumergo3931 In your comment to MR. D not all Schutzstaffel received such training even in the Elite as it was not mandatory but optional.
At least 1 form of recognised unarmed combat was mandatory though.
Though Judo or Jujitsu was more common in Germany at the time compared to ally forces it was not common even in the Schutzstaffel.
They spent a lot more time training in psychology, sociology & other now taboo fields then combat.
Eugenic is a notable forbidden field that many nations b-practice without mention of it for look at the loose abortion laws in the west these days?
The Schutzstaffel began in 1925 as the nationalsozialistischen parties security force till eventually body guards of the Führer then the secret police with the branch of propaganda of the Reich ministry.
Many of the SS where women league & not nationalsozialistischen.
Conversation have been interesting though demented.
The men got trials but did the women?;)
The final form from 1941 was the final solution that saw the death camps from the SS that Adolf had small part in really.
after 145 from 1946 saw former members well into the cold war acting as spies for all part of the be it eastern block west or south America & even Israel in some cases.
Their our government won't ever tell you & want to stay hidden for a reason.
Even what little I now I'm keeping my mouth shut till I'm an old man.
Having worked doors in East-Germany, and old instructor's words that have stuck with me:
"The winner of a knife-fight wins the luxury of dying in a hospital bed"
Another good maxim is:
"If you think your knife-defense techniques are good, give a teenager a marker pen and tell them they get a fiver every time they draw on you"
those are the basics, only after one understands them, can then start learning
very true
That is why you should always wear femoral and radial guards. It'll still suck getting stuck, but at least you're protecting your main arteries.
@@iratevagabond204 lol wtf
@@pablob.m.7746 There are cut resistant sleeves you can buy that are meant to protect your arteries. One of our OGs worked as a CO in the prison in Chino, CA, and he would order them (and stab vests) for us youngsters. We'd wear our stab vests and sleeves to school every day.
In Argentina and Uruguay, people used to fight with a long kinfe (facón) in one hand and the poncho rolled out in the other.
The Esgrima Criolla is an art of fighting with knives, with abundant technique and still in use
In the "Swiss Open of Free Fight" there is one of the competition that is all about knifes (it is in fact a marker pen), this competition is one round knife vs knife, 2nd round knife vs unarmed, and 3rd round the knife is given to the other competitor. What one can conclude is that :
-it is extremely difficult to defend onself against a knife without wistanding at least a few cuts.
-people who did well in the few competitions that I watched where from Hema, Yoseikan-budo, and Pilipino martial arts (some guy did a modern philipino derivative that specialises in knife fighting); those comming from MMA and Sambo who did really well in other competitions, did poorly with knifes depite beeing good all around fighters.
Does this take place in Switzerland?
@@Shiresgammai Yes, it is or it was in Switzerland (I have no idea if it still exists, I went to watch it for three years around 2015-2018 maybe). It was organised by Geldman, a Combat Sambo champion that is a student from a UFC champion that has a club in Geneva (I cannot remember the name of his master, he was a russian guy who won UFC 5 or 6 ?). Despite looking glorious and having a grand name "l'Open Suisse de Free Fight", it was in fact a very small competition, open to all, but in fact only clubs from Geneva and neighbouring towns took part (there was regularly some MMA and Yoseikan-budo practicionner, and in the knife competition there was also regularly some HEMA people from at leat two clubs, one of them in neighbouring France).
Despite beiing a small competition, there was quite a pannel of effective martial arts represented (but in a lot of cases it cannot be resumed as this art is better than this one, as most practitionners usually have experience in more than one martial art), and this knife competition was an eye opener for me.
@@adwarfsittingonagiantsshoulder Sounds great! Were there some genuine knife people or more or less the "pajama guys" from McDojos?
@@Shiresgammai No Mc Dojo, and I don't think the Mc Dojo crowd go to this kind of competitions that is opened to all arts. For the knife competition, the first year I watched, some of the guy did'nt seem to know what there where doing (I suppose MMA and Sambo guy who don't train with weapons) despite beiing good martial artists. The second year, I missed the knife part. The third year I think all the people in the knife competition where good. The competitor of wich I know what martial art they practice where from Yoseikan Budo (they train knife sparring with foam knifes and woden tanto), two HEMA schools, one Philipino school, and a Philipino derivative that specialize in knife fighting - called something like Barag Sugbow or Barak Sukbow ? if I remember - (I don't know how they train, but I've seen their metal blunt training knifes and I thought they are far too dangerous for safe practice as they are somewhat pointy and the guard is also quite sharp and pointy).
@@adwarfsittingonagiantsshoulder Sounds like a neat event! I've heard of Baraw Sugbo, could this be the knife system/school which you mean? You bring up a good point, I don't recall actually a good "complete" martial arts system. Most systems just teach the handling of one weapon or one specific way of fighting, but it seems as if the systems which were designed to offer a complete system for almost all aspects of fighting have long perished.
I have about 25 years of training in Eskrima-Kali-Arnis. We start Beginner students with knife defense & knife fighting basics at green belt, after about 3-6 months of single stick training.
I knew a guy in college who was a bouncer at a night club and he got slashed in the face by a guy with a broken beer bottle. A knife fighting defense would be extremely useful for people in many situations, so I think it’s foolish to argue otherwise.
Huge difference between a broken bottle and a knife though..
@@moparman1692 not really? A broken bottle is light, sharp, and held in one hand. You cant exactly stab someone with it, but thrusting broken glass at someones face is not pleasant for them.
@@ashtheswan705 well.. a broken bottle can cause some dmg, but its really trivial compared to what you can do with a knife. Dont get me wrong.. you can manage to kill someone with broken glass, but you will struggle trying to do that with someone that fights back. I knife on the other hand.. can be used to produce disembowelling slashes, combined with superfast thrusts to the torso. You simply can not use a bottle like that. Also.. a knife can be used to trap your opponent, and has a very high degree of versatility. There is a reason why you dont see many drills using broken bottles as a weapon, because they suck at it, compared to a knife. Also.. a broken bottle is also hard to conseal, which is the main advantage of a knife. I could really go on and on..
I grew up with a knife art from Indonesia, called Pinjak Silat. My instructor was employed to teach US special forces knife techniques, so at least the pentagon thought his art was useful.
I don't know what is taught in special forces, but my experience with the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program doesn't give me much faith in the Pentagon's ability to find a way to effectively teach martial arts
Pankat silat is an amazing modular knife martial art, also includes the only art that uses baghk nagh(?) Or the tiger claws as a sidearm.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st on what basis do you claim this? Even regular soldiers can end up in unexpected hand-to-hand. Why would SF be immune to this? While it might be rare, using a knife for stealth seems like a valid strategy even in the modern world.
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Unplugging an unaware sob's lung with a shiv isn't a one on one knife fight. The Fairburne-Sykes techniques mentioned do include far more relevant techniques for that.
@@CtrlAltRetreat you seem to have skipped over my reference to unexpected short range attacks. Also, a stealth attack can fail. At that point you had better be ready to use the knife to quickly deal with an active opponent.
I'd say that spanish knife fighting (the art described in Manual del Baratero) is underappreciated and should be tried more.
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There also an italian knife fencing school "scherma de coltello", IIRC
The italian style is too fancy for americans... i tried some of the "lajolo system" knife rotation moves with a training knife, and would have cut myself if it had been with a real knife. The italian styles seems to be best for people with very good hand coordination. The filipino style is simpler, and better for people with clumsy fingers!
It’s interesting that martial artists often regard knife fighting as almost taboo and often spout such things as “oh you’re going to get cut no matter what you do”, but then seem to regard sword fighting as a lark, although that’s much more dangerous.
It's quite plausible that you'll run into someone with a knife, where bad advice or poor training can result in overconfidence and dire outcomes. It's pretty unlikely you'll ever have to worry about swordfighting, except in a controlled martial arts/sports context.
Sword fighting is much 'safer' IMO. You can see a sword coming and you can parry it, even though the tip speed may be higher. It is much harder to parry a knife with another knife.
@@Quixotematic the answer is a knife/dagger can be hidden and brought to bear very fast. Usually for a fast/clandestine kill. There are many different styles and likes. I know my first real knife fight I lost two tendons and an artery before I even knew the other guy had a knife. A neighborhood friend got stabbed so bad it took her many operations to even use her leg again. My personal adventure knife you would laugh at…but it scares the natives so that also works.
@@Quixotematic The margin for error is much smaller in sword fighting. While knife fighting is nasty and dangerous, victims usually die from bleeding out and not from the initial impact alone, which means it also takes longer to die from a knife. But swords on the other hand are able to end the fight in seconds and with single hits by removing limbs or splitting your skull open.
you can parry swords with swords(due to blade length and guards), but you cannot parry a knife with another knife, that is what makes it officially dangerous
A fun but unrelated fact, karate had no high kicks until they borrowed them from savate.
This is one of the reasons I'm so fascinated by Fiore. Even if 90% of what most people train is swordsmanship, it covers a lot more and the fundamentals are in grappling and dagger. And while the modern context is quite different, the sheer breadth of techniques and contexts covered in the material seems to make it relatively adaptable to modern situations (though there remain some stumbling blocks like Fiore generally assuming daggers with longer blades than are really seen today).
I'd probably choose something else if I really wanted to focus purely on modern self defence, but given that I also really like swords and other weapons... it makes Fiore an efficient choice for me. Or it would if I weren't in the boonies and had the resources to train.
As a Fiorist and someone actively learning competent modern knife defenses, there are other things deficient in Fiore. Specifically, he does a lot of grabs that a knife attacker will use to filet your wrists and arms. Fiore doesn't seem worried about cuts at all, only penetrating thrusts. There's a lot of difference between Fiore's ice pick dagger and common pocket knives and it shows up in technique. That said, my knife defense studies are allowing me to reinterpret my Fiore.
But more than technique is finding some means to study and practice in a realistic manner.
There's an old Norwegian saying, "En kniv i hånden holder den andre i sliren", or in English, "a knife in hand keeps the other sheathed". I guess us Norwegians were civilized after all.
There is also "En mann uten kniv er en mann uten liv" or "A man without a knife is a man without a life."
Norwegian here.. and ive never heard any saying like that. Not sure i understand the logic behind it either.. :)
@@moparman1692 The logic is simple. If your opponent has his knife drawn, would you risk your life to draw your own, or would you accept your defeat and capitulate?
@@Orkaney that does not make any sense to me. If someone draws on me.. i will ofc draw my own blade. Anyone that knows how to use a knife will spend as much training on how to draw the knife fast.. without presenting it to your opponent, as any other technique or move in your arsenal. If you draw your knife in order to intimidate someone into submission.. you will mostly find that you will produce the opposite result. You will instead escalate the situation. Following your saying, one should not draw a gun neither, if someone pulls a gun on you. That makes zero sense as well, if you know anything about gun tactiques.
@@Orkaney but.. seriously, where in Norway does this saying come from?
I'm an old Italian hiker and hunter and while I appreciated the video about knife fighting I want to share my personal experience about the subject. In Europe and particularly in Italy in practice the only opportunity to use a knife for self defence in the real life is in the woods against stray dogs bocome feral and shepherd dogs out of control. The reader living in USA must take into account that most of European woods, UK excluded, are similar to the American Appalacci mountain secluded woods with long trekking in a densely wooded environment with packs of dogs, sometimes crossed with wolf who don't fear men. As I personally experienced they attack in a wedge formation with the alfa dog as the point. That means that in most cases at the beginning of the attack a person is attacked by oly one feral dog. If and when the person is overwhelmed and possibly wounded on the ground the rest of the pack will attack. The technique of defence I learnt as a boy scout is first of all to have a bowie knife of about ten inches, eleven is better. You'll never see an Italian boy scout without such a knife in the woods! Second you must stay calm and put your back against a big rock or tree in order to have the pack, generally not more the four o five dogs, in front of you. Third don't shout or scream but be relaxed and take your backpack out of your shoulder and keep it on front of you like a shield. Forth put your bowie at the side of the backpack with the edge of the blade upwards like the old Romans did with their gladium at the side of their shield. When the alfa dog cames against you generally snarling don't shout or scream to prevent him from attackimg but on the contrary be silent to encourage him to attack. He'll have to rise up on the hind legs to attack you, because of the backpack, expousing his belly. You must begin to trust the point of bowie agaist the dog shielded by the backpack with the aim of piercing his belly and disembowel him upwards till reaching his heart. But every blow against him will do. Stay calm protect yoursel until the dog dies or retire. If the alfa dog dies and the pack is hungry it will satisfy with the carrion. If he seriuosly wounded retire and flies, that happened to me and in most of cases, the pack will follow. Wait some time before starting again the track to be sure that no other dog will attack you and to relax. This technique is simple sure and proved, by myself, efficient. It takes no strength only self control. But if you lack self control better you don't venture into secluded trekking in places like the Appalachi or similar woods in Europe.
The use of a backpack as a shield against wild animals is a great idea, I've never thought of that before
Serious hikers/backpackers do not carry giant Bowie knives in the US. Many do not carry anything more than a Swiss Army knife.
If feral dogs pose a threat to people over here they almost certainly will be shot dead.
I'd love to know about your knife. It's absolutely beautiful
What is it?
@@thomasgarrett190 The knife I carry in my hlkes is an old Bowie Cold Steel Trail Master Carbon V 10" made in USA. I bought it many years ago. I changed the handle from a kind of rubber with one of stabilized oak wood cut from a railway slipper and the sheath made of solid 3mm leather because the original was of thin hide. It's a big knife but very well balaced for every serious camp use included self defence.
@@RupertbladeI had a Cold Steel trailmaster I brought from the us when I was stationed in Germany. One weekend I drove to the UK with that and an axe. When I got to the border in Dover after crossing the channel it was confiscated at the border - but they let me keep the axe!?!?!?
Do you know if there are typically knife size restrictions for hiking throughout the rest of Europe?
I'd say is between esgrima criolla (gaucho facon fighting style) and traditional Filipino knife fighting. Because they both fought a lot with knives for a good chunk of time and had a lot of time to develop it, and they use those almost exclusively.
They both borrow a lot from Spanish knife fighting.
@@SamuraiAkechi si!
But they evolved to fit their environments and were also influenced by regional techniques.
@@SamuraiAkechi Yes, but they are kinda their own thing also. And Spanish knife fighting is considered HEMA. To me esgrima criolla is the best cause it does have some cultural things to it but not as much as Filipino ones that heavily factors in their clothing style and a bunch of specifics of that region culturally, hence why slashing and cutting is their main thing, still hella useful tho', but context plays a bigger factor, in esgrima criolla you have both cuts and stabs, wrestle, defence and is focused around fighting people in regular clothes, not in armor or pseudo armor, it was tremendously popular in the region, lots of people did practice it, both for practice sake and for killing people and had a if it works it works approach, that purged out nonsense out of it.
@@joshuawalker301 Honestly, I'd love to try esgrima criolla, but there are no clubs in Russia doing it. I know a spanish knife club, but I'm not yet good in my current art of choice to spread my attention.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st Not true, FMA has a lot of weapon improvisation, something that's very realistic in dangerous situations, especially in urban combat.
The one sad fact however, is that there are also a lot of sham FMA "trainers" that's only in it for the money and have additives like those belts that weren't a thing at all with genuine FMA
To prove that FMA isn't fantasy, Bobby Taboada is one of the best examples of genuine FMA
Re: techniques across multiple arts: I remind people all the time that there are a finite number of ways to manipulate the human body. I’ve studied a number of arts (love the bujinkan mention 😁) over the last twenty plus years, and I still adore finding the similarities.
Loved that Bujinkan bit too, really nice to see it recognized. :)
Wow, you are a relief. I live in the world of Navy Seals, Marines and Delta. I believe the knife to be the true equaliser to all. Understanding that there are blunt force, bladed, flexible, projectile and explosive and combination weaponry. The blade is the the truth of history. I have so many critics that downplay the knife but so few who will challenge even the shock blade. I would love to make a connection with you and maybe have you join me here in San Diego to speak. Respectfully, Grand Master Greg Fraser (Just another ranking in the changing world) Help me explain that sport fighting is play fighting and a knife is more real than a gun. Knife principles are the game changers against age, strength, aggression, and pride. Please, lets chat.
US Army combatives is currently trending toward wrestling and BJJ for knife fighting. At work I have personally turned a lethal encounter into a less than lethal encounter.
Coincidentally WW2 army combatives had a catch wrestling base. We have come full circle.
Funny thing with military training. In particular the USA in WWII pacific was poorly trained hand to hand soldiers that only had at best 7 days training would take out people trained in a culture of hand to hand fighting. I believe that the culture to live out ways even years of trading. Sorry guys. And to the School of Gladiators. I cringed every time I saw how you held your dagger and what the handle was made of. Many a wonderful horn or antler handle I have broken. Keep with leather, modern plastics or basic wood. And the style of hand placement changes with the style of blade. And the style of handle. So does the different styles of attacks you can perform. My favourite Bowie style knife turned into a perfect failure. Mainly from how it was made and what with. She was perfect in play class games. But when used properly in “real life” play? The handle cracked and became an expensive brass backed wall mount. Never did get to find out if the brass back actually worked. That’s sucked
Wrestling and BJJ have a very limited approach towards good systems for knife fighting.
@@markwalker4485 The average US soldier could easily defeat the average Japanese soldier in WW2 in hand to hand. Most marines were taught boxing and wrestling which are better arts to fight with, they were then taught an introductory course in Combatives which added throws and disarms. You had 190 pound guys going up against 100 pound guys.
The combative training I got from my time in the army circa 2010-2018 mainly focused on delaying your opponent(s) long enough for your buddy(s) to get to you and end the fight. Like, it's good enough that you can win against a less trained person, or defend yourself long enough to get to a more advantageous position etc but really its just the basics and not good enough to go up against someone who's trained for years in a specialized school of martial art.
@@theripcord03 and.. lets not forget.. in the army you get to respond by means of firearms. That helps a lot! That said.. most people tend to underestimate how nasty a well executed knife attack can be.
It was good to see the acknowledgement of "run away" as a valid option in many situations. In general, for ordinary civilian life, I often think the best discipline to study for personal self defense, wherever you live, whatever weapons might be prevalent around you, is one that isn't generally regarded as a martial art. It is, however, occasionally described as "the martial art of running away" - parkour. You learn how to maintain balance, keep yourself fit, learn a lot about body mechanics in general, and a lot of those lessons can translate to effective movement and action if you're forced to fighht, but it doesn't *encourage* you to confront threats, it helps you to be where those threats areen't, or to have ways to get away from them before you get hurt.
Martial arts, no matter how focused your studies are on being "safe" and on protecting yourself rather than picking fights, teach people to be *confident about confronting* an attacker, even if they actively try and tell you to avoid doing so. It's a situation where what you're shown and what you practice, doesn't match what you're advised to do. Parkour doesn't teach you to face off against people, and has no techniques specifically designed for confronting someone in an antagonistic manner. As such, there's no encouragement of confidence in your ability to handle such situations, but you are more confident in your ability to get to places other people might not be able to reach. As such, training in parkour is likely to heighten your "flight" response where martial arts might make "fight" a more likely answer for you to default to.
Obviously this doesn't guarantee you can always get away, and doesn't benefit you as much as being experienced in fighting when there's some external factor (locked in, or having to protect someone else) preventing you from running away. That said, in most civilian contexts, running away is an option, or could become a more plausible option than it otherwise would be if you're more skilled at it from parkour practice. Also, the basic training for parkour does improve general fitness in a similar way to regularly practising any worthwhile martial art, and helps improve strength, balance and body awareness, which are all useful core skills if you end up having to fight. You might lack in technique, but your basic physical attributes will still be closer to those appropriate to a fighter than those of someone who didn't take up any physical activity.
Matt, if I had to choose, I’d train in tankendo. They practice in kendō armor basically, combining traditional wakizashi styles with dismounted bayonet blades. It’s very stripped down, tested with realistic sparring, and sources a venerable heritage as well. Worth looking at.
That one is an interesting one. Sort of a companion martial art to Jukendo, if I'm not mistaken. Seemed to be pretty ferocious.
Interesting, I've not looked at it before. I'll check it out.
@@scholagladiatoria maybe you can make a future video about both tankendo, jukendo and their history?
Tankendo clearly shows a modernized version of traditional Japanese martial arts. developed from and for the imperial army. Simple solid techniques..because teaching soldiers. A focus on power thrusts because during the period of development the Japanese military was active in Manchuria...cold....big thick coats. Blade length and form is as you say modeled on the Arisaka bayonet. Since morihei ueshida was a drill instructor in the Japanese army teaching bayonet fighting and tomiki Kenji was located in China for 10 years you can see how tenkendo influence tomiki aikido competition. Good post
@@scholagladiatoria This is a pretty good intro covers kata and kumite.
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Exactly a companion to jukendo ...basically junkendo when there is not enough space for a bayonet on a rifle. W E Fairnbairn (who else) was involved in bayonet fighting competitions in Shanghai with the Japanese, and absorbed a lot of ideas from them.
great channel thanks! don't always agree but always willing to listen
Fascinating. I believe all caveats are points are covered. Half-way through, I had to hobble down hall, just to acquire my AG Russell .’sting”. Despite a stroke, and paralyzed left hand, I am now able to hold it in my hand. Thanks. Good motivation!
I've had decent luck using Pencak Silat in HEMA dagger tournaments, although I did lose in a final bout against a Kali guy because I tried something dumb and flashy. I would use HEMA rather than silat or kali if heavy clothing or armor is involved. I think that Pencak Silat methods are useful for minimizing cuts to yourself in a tournament context, which is my experience for knivery.
What is your opinion on the comparisons between Kali and Silat when it comes to knife techniques? I've dabbled in both and find them to be pretty much the same general techniques and strategies, although the training methods were different.
I think that the knife material is highly similar between kali and silat. In my experience, Pencak Silat tends to incorporate more unarmed motion earlier on than FMA. There's also mimickry of animal movements that I haven't seen much of in kali. In sparring with my FMA friends with knife or stick it looks much the same.
Sounds like a reasonable conclusion for rondel dagger fighting, but plenty of "HEMA" is 19th c Bowies or WW2 knife stuff. That'ss definitely "minimise cuts".
Was this at IGX in 2018?
@@ilsegno7732 IGX 2014. The same dumb move won me the 2019 National Silat Championship... so 50-50? @Nullifye I want to learn some 19th century bowie and WW2 knife material sometime. Is there a manual for bowie knife? How much of modern practice is intercalated FMA? I know my silat training informs how I use the rondel dagger.
I have been in 4 knife incidents, only one was a fight where we stood across each other with the other boys cheering us on, luckily I stumbled and broke my wrist before we could hurt ourselves and the fight was indefinitely postponed..the other times I didn't see it coming, ended up stabbed in the gut once and managed to deflect in to my thigh the other times. I think worst about it that you know your with a person that is prepared to kill you. That's quite scarry and sort of quintessential for the lack of a better word. I think best defense would have been to expect a knife and be prepared to get cut vs stabbed. I honestly think even in te context of early 90's eastern Europe it's very difficult to overcome the fact that your in for your life suddenly. I can imagine training technique, but I can't imagine training the mindset for it
Remind me to never go out with you
@@markwalker4485 hahaha, there is a reason why Eastern Europens are portrait as the baddies in movies
Or South Eastern White Africaans 🤪🤣😇😇. My opinion the best combat knife or dagger maker still comes out of RSA. Hard to get his blades now he is old. And I won’t name drop here. British thing ya know Eh🤪🤪🤣🤣
@@markwalker4485 are his initials pb?
Ive studied hema, American military knife fighting, and also Apache knife fighting.
All are good because they emphasize full speed sparring. However Apache knife training has greatly increased my ability with a knife.
Ooh! I forgot about American tribe fighting styles. I will definitely have to look into that.
I grew up in Arizona and studied the Apache Wars. I see discussion of Bows (wow) clubs and lances using fire hardened yucca stalks and broken saber blades. I have yet to find a contemporaneous report of knife use . Given my understanding of fighting on the frontier knives were important. Do you have a historical source I can check out?
Did you study William E. Fairbairn's knife system?
I use "slapping ants" from apache knife all the time in my flow drills... snake blocker's videos are a real treasure trove... and the use of cord calf, ankle, and thigh belts to anchor weapons for carrying on your person is also a great lesson i have learned from apache knife... Those old-school indian warriors didnt need any overpriced tactical belts from the local gunstore to holster their sidearms! And neither do we!
@@Shiresgammai no, I study Apache knife under Robert Redfeather.
You forgot the Indonesian Martial arts. Pencak Silat does an awful lot of weapon training with pisau (knife) and golok (machete) and various other weapons.
I love the pure passion of Matt would love to see a Bowie knife fighting video.
I remember going through level 3 Combatives back in 2013. I had some MMA training and was rolling with a fairly skilled BJJ player, he missed a takedown and went to pull guard on me. The NCOIC of the course just happened to be walking past us, and dropped a shock knife (rubber knife with a taser on the edge) next to us. Very much changed the roll. I also got to shock a Lieutenant. I have a background in Arnis and Bujinkan, and none of it helped during that session. Once in grappling range, grappling takes over distance knife fighting.
A good explanation, you may add Kalah , which as you were saying , "Combatives" , they have a lot of knife use and defense but one other style we integrated, was Baraw Sugbo , certainly an element to add to any knife fighting skills , I am glad Fairbain Tactics were also mentioned..
There is another form of knife fighting , which is boxing skills , with a blade , I haven't seen much on this but worth researching
The most interesting end result I have ever seen was an old dude using a WWI brass knuckle trench knife. I never saw his teq but the left over remains where very astonishing. Basically stab, bash and crush. He didn’t have a scratch on him.
@@markwalker4485 interesting , I have met some very skilled with a blade in my travels and training , never seen anyone use a WWl brass knuckle blade before
I would add some of the Indonesian Silat arts and some of the Sub Continent styles like Bando. When I studied FMA we did a lot of freestyle which since I’m a fair grappler, my bouts would often end on the ground. Really ends up looking a lot more like a prison yard than a martial arts studio.
On Saturday you could attend an optional Silat class. That particular style was heavy in the use of knife or a flexible weapon.
I think both the FMA and Silat, as presented to me, were both heavily influenced by modern combatives, and by the recent experience of the diaspora of people from the Archipelago’s
WW2 Combatives based on European fencing and American Bowie fighting. It works and has a lot of testing behind it.
Greetings Matt! You hit the nail on the head in terms of Combatives training. We provide combatives training and edged weapons defense to military and civilians alike and it is always evolving, indeed. From the days of Sykes F to now. Having a HEMA and Japanese martial arts-side of our company as well, the amount of sparring done in these classes with the rondel or tanto really does translate to modern knife fighting effectiveness. HEMA practitioners just tend to spar more often and so we found it to be a great resource to continually challenge and evolve our systems as well. Always love your content and cant wait to see more!
How come that we are being blessed with such a upload frequenzy?*-*
I was just sparring with rubber-trainer knifes with some friends a day ago and our conclusion was that we never want to get into a real knife fight.
Almost every encounter ended in doublescores and both people (would) have had their arms and wrist badly sliced and pierced.
Stabs into the torso werent that common but even when they occured it was very hard to defend yourself succesfully to a counterblow to your own torso.
Knife sparring is a great way to make cardio in Hema.
It blow my mind how many people who regularly conceal carry firearms will practice knife fighting but never practice shooting from retention or compressed positions.
0:24 Yeah. I once heard a saying about knife-fighting; winners dribble, losers gush. While I understand the point of the statement (it's preferable to take minor hits that won't kill you, _if_ you can trade them for a massive artery blow), I prefer my own formulation; "in a knife fight, the loser dies on the ground, and the winner dies in the ambulance. Don't get in knife fights."
There are still in existence today, several knife martial arts within the indigenous American community which are very effective.
I've wanted to ask you for a while. How was spanish fencing seen in England historically? I've seen Verdadera Deztreza videos where they say that spanish fencers were feared around Europe, but that statement is said by spanish people and I haven't heard the same from people outside Spain. I'd appreciate it if you could touch this topic.
La Verdadera Destreza is probably the most successful sword method considering how long it lasted. Even well into the era of the gun. Also considering that there isn't land without a Spanish tomb it's influence in Mexican, Filipino, Caribbean, and Latin American martial arts is undeniable.
I think George Silver referenced Spanish fencing iirc.
@@badlaamaurukehu perhaps although I thought he predated it. He did put.some interesting dagger fighting info in his paradoxes of defense.
@@otxoawolf9054 Silver wrote his book in 1598 while Carranza was 1569, in Paradoxes of Defense there is a little subsection on Spanish fencing. Silver's conclusions are a little confusing though because much of the section is him basically saying that Spanish fencing works great on paper, but only on paper, but at the same time he also says that the Spanish were the second best fencers in Europe after the English. As a general rule with Silver you always need to keep in mind that he was a raving xenophobe, so take his comments about foreigners with a grain of salt. Once you do that, the fact that he said the Spanish were second best might actually mean that he thought that they were the best and just didn't want to admit it in public.
My first work on knives has been in ju jutsu, later bujinkan workshop, tanto lessons in kendo and an acquaintance of mine teaching shaolin double dagger which is quite interesting.
In gongfu it very much depends on the style and the teacher. There you also find mixed weapon use - which is always fun.
Great content brother! Love the shirt!
The four classic boxing punches, the jab, straight, hook, uppercut, can be modified with less body movement and more arm speed and targets switched from nose to eye, jaw to neck, and liver to heart.
I have an instructor that know's hema and filipino martial arts so we mix them. Sometimes we throw in some Wing Tsun if it solves a situation.
One of the reasons 'knives' are still in use is cost and availability. You can make a knife with some scrap metal or an old tool and some patience. A firearm is a lot more involved and requires more specialized material and ammunition.
Native American Martial Arts may also be an option in some areas.
I think one of the ideas being described here is universal principles. Different martial arts from different places in the world arrive the same idea on their own, by different routes and at different times, because it is the reality of what works best. At some point, as long as a martial art is progressing, they will eventually arrive at the best practice at something, and it reaches a peak plateau. Martial arts that focus on tradition and history are still good for study, practice, and sport, and there's always something new to be learned from the past. However, don't forget that there's a reason why they're in the past.
I'm thankful to live in a place where I can carry both a handgun and knife. Plus, all of my emergency kits contain both a substantial fixed blade knife and either a hatchet or tomahawk.
Okitchitaw.
Apache knife!
I'm a Kung Fu teacher, Northen Shaolin style especially, and there're basically 2 forms of using a dagger: one form uses a dagger with the right and other form with both hands using two daggers.
Both of them with reverse hammer grip.
There is also the southern style Choy Lay Fut which also has one form using 2 dagger in reverse hammer grip and there is a form of butterfly Knives which uses the regular hammer grip.
But as you said and I confirm by experience, the focus is on the other weapons.
Great video. Thanks for sharing your point of view. 🙏
Very interesting perspective of knife fighting, having trained in police/military knife defence techniques and Filipino [Kali] knife fighting system. No exposure to HEMA, but always open minded to learn. Unfortunately, unable to practice knife fighting in my present unit due to lack of partners. Cheers
Well stated. Also remarkably hard to take my eyes off the shiny blade.
Haven't tried HEMA but I am partial to the Filipino arts. Sayoc Kali is a Filipino -American system I studied/practiced off & on for years. I moved and there are no instructors or groups nearby, otherwise I'd still be doing that. All 3-6" blades and very practical.
That intro was awesome I love your charisma mate good stuff
As a Pilipino martial arts guy I do spar (Training knives) with some HEMA guys and find it fun and very interesting. HEMA can be very different depending what the practitioner trains
Kali is useful, because it's very natural and makes sense including empty hand and knifes and small swords, and sticks and staff. I practice fighting my cane and also a small selection of knife's with it or each other, and also my tactical pen. I am learning some Kali to guide me and to practice from, but I am changing it to work for what I have, and to specialize around using my cane at very ranges and all parts of it both single and two handed and slapped, and with or with one of my knifes drawn. Though I practice just single and double knife also, and I use both foreward and reverse grips depending. I am practicing daily for hours in the forest trying to put all this together into a system of skills for myself, to fight, single or multiple attackers, armed or variously armed. I use dead tree's a lot to practice on. I've used tomahawks a lot also. Its a combo I'd have canoe camping, but the biggest threat is to the vehicle left behind, or from cops charging felonious camping now in Tennessee.
Short distance running?
Interesting discussion, and broadly matches my experience
Could be interesting to see some videos about the Fairbarn Sykes knife fighting
My new carry combo: a Solingen Main Gauche and a MilStd 1911 in .45ACP. Good video. Thank you for your hard work.
I recently had the opportunity to do some training in libre knife fighting.
It was the most eye opening couple of hours ive experienced in a long time.
If somebody with a knife really wants to switch your lights off, there's pretty much nothing you can do.
Knives are are a murderers weapon. Mainly for taking a victim by surprise. In the London area techniques have been developed to inflict wounds that are very difficult to treat by paramedics in the field.
Its interesting because combatives often use fma for tonfa or knife and fma practitioners often come up with hema,like sparring with sword and buckler even if its not their traditional form.
When you do that,as we did, you see that you dont have to train a particular art when you train only one of them (most likely fma or hema) because you get to that point (that you mentioned) that you will get the same result.
When you are trained in handling a weapon and train that alive (means: sparring like you have a real knife,batons we use anyway for real) you will see that there are only a few ways to handle them effectivly. Footwork can be different.
The mechanics of hitting,cutting or stubbing are the same.
I think HEMA is the best because it's the only one that focuses on sparring generally for knife fight/defence. If you don't spar you can't test yourself and your skill.
fairburn sykes -chair beats knife 9 times out of ten - worked twice for me - although one of those was a broken bottle and we played ring a ring a rosies around a table before he got bored and left
This is an excellent analysis Matt. Thankyou for this!!!
Matt, most knife injuries are probably household accidents from things like cooking or opening boxes.
If I was to rate the most important thing I ever learned through the years of studying and practicing martial arts, number one, by a large margin, is respect for the danger posed by knives. Doing live training, even against novice opponents, disavows one of any delusions on what can happen when a knife comes into play. That is even under the best possible circumstance of you also being armed and prepared when you square off, which pretty much never happens that way IRL.
So, yeah. Knives are super dangerous, small, concealable (even while being wielded), and even a "small" knife is deadly, deadly, deadly.
There's a recent viral video of an Australian man who was murdered in knife fight. It absolutely confirms this. It happens so incredibly quickly.
Also the video is obviously extremely NSFL.
I agree, I think HEMA is going to be at the top for knives. My thought is that there is so much that involves blades. Military systems are going to be crash courses rather than prolonged training.
During my police service I responded to a stabbing in progress. The suspect was a fifty plus man in a wheel Chair who cut the heck out of a younger man with a four inch folding knife (Buck.110) The man in the chair was the armed robber!
Take the blade and raw aggression seriously.
@@Lord_Humungus actually the suspect was!
Wouldn't it be easy to run away from a man in wheelchair?
@@filiphabek271 this was in the 80's but as I recall he rolled up to a apartment demanded property and then stuck him in the leg
I shouldn't laugh, but that story cracked me up! Thanks for sharing your particularly colorful example of why "deadly weapons" are "deadly"...
I would say Fairbairn's Knife system was heavily influenced by the fighting he experience in Shanghai. Knives were probably the most common weapons and the ones where criminals were most skilled with. Also Tsai Ching Tung from whom Fairbairn learnt Chinese martial arts almost certainly knew the knife methods of yin style Bagua.
I would say that traditional Chinese arts all address knife fighting. It's just that it has been down played because it was associated with criminals and so has been lost. now what most people are exposed to are empty forms.However, I found a lot of movements in forms only make real sense when you put a knife into the equation. Respect to all.
Minor correction: the navaja style knife originates in Southern Spain and the Baleric Islands. And it is similar Southern Italian and Sicilian knife fighting. However I thoroughly enjoyed your lecture. 👍👊😎
I have bookmarked this video to watch later this evening, but I am willing to wager the concept of situational CONTEXT shall be explored.
Most of my experience in martial arts has been in unarmed methods and I still rely on it the most, although I mostly rely on a combination of sweeps, takedowns, chokes, holds, joint locks, limb breaks, and ground escapes but with the occasional palm strikes, elbow strikes, and knee strikes, I am disabled with constant back pain despite only being 31 and have been since my early 20s. I walk with a cane and I carry a knife, both of which I have learned how to use.
I don't consider myself an expert by any means with either, but when it comes to the use of knives as weapons, my training has come mostly from what I learned while studying Krav Maga. What I learned was basic, easy to remember, and useful. I'm not against more complicated systems by any means, but for me personally as someone who is physically limited in some aspects, practicing simple cutting and thrusting (I prefer slashing techniques in particular because I prefer to use a knife only as a last resort and slashes are usually less dangerous than thrusts if you're careful and measured) as well as basic methods of disarming knives (for example, controlling the body behind the blade and then disarming the blade itself) have proven the most useful to me.
Would I be able to stand a chance against a skilled Kali practitioner or hardened military veteran? Absolutely not! Am I aware and able enough to use a knife and deal with an attack from one on a level where I have an idea of what I'm doing? Thankfully, yes. That's not to say that means I'm stab or slash-proof, because no one is, no matter how experienced. I guess what I'm saying is that there are only so many ways of doing any one thing, and what is proven effective eventually shows itself through practice and time as well as that word we all love as viewers of this channel: context! :D
Based on what we see in MMA, I would say karate (due to the expertise in managing distance and getting in and out of the pocket so quickly, and attacking with kicks instead of hands), and Muay Thai (not as good as managing distance, but a hard guard to penetrate w/o eating a big shot from too many angles to cover, plus the crippling calf kicks). As an amateur, I would defend and try to get wrist control with both hands, and attack with leg and calf kicks. The best you can hope for is the attacker realizing that his best option is to abandon the attack.
I lived in Central America for 9 years. I can confirm that machetes get used as swords fairly often.
My Jujutsu instructor encouraged cross training with all kinds of weapons, using and defending against in open and closed spaces in a few ways 🙂
The knife was my 1st close quarter weapon, I agree entirely I'm pretty sure that your instruction and how well you learn is more important than the "technique" you pick
When it comes to BEST martial art forms, I've concluded that it's not the form, it's how well the individual can best employ the form he or she chooses.
An old teacher of mine said "there's no such thing as a knife fight. There's an assassination. One person goes to the hospital, and one goes to the morgue." And he was a Ghurka.
Biggest Problem I see is that Knifework is taught more along the lines of duelling, than along the lines of defensive use.
Defensive Knifework should be taught more like using a gun in self defense, in which the draw is timed to the actions of the attacker, in order to get rounds off before the attacker even knows what is going on. Or how to create space to deploying your weapon when under pressure.
Some is taught that way. Craig Douglas teaches a class called ECQC where you have to manage unknown threats, decide what level of force is needed , and then do it all while being engaged.
I took a class in April called “Robbery Prevention In Non Permissive Environments”. It was three days. Cecil Birch did managing unknown contacts and engagements using training weapons. Chuck Haggard did pepper spray as well assisting on the range. Darryl Bolke did the firearms portion. This whole class tied together very well that you can’t have just a self defense tool you carry and expect to be successful. You need to be alert, see threats coming, and then have the skills, tools, and processor speed to be able to manage those threats.
Scottish Highland martial arts covers being attacked from an ambush. How to draw your dirk or dagger quickly. Disarms and take down throws against an attacker.
The best way to get a knife into play quickly enough to react defensively is to keep it pre-unfolded in concealment/usmc grip, already held in your hand that you have put into your front jacket pocket.this way you can just pull it out and switch to icepick grip if any threat presents itself. You gotta practice that specific gripswitch to make this work... but it is a way simpler and faster technique than drawing and opening the knife from a position on your pants etc. It may be considered illegally carrying a concealed weapon to use this technique where you live... but if you are in danger, that risk is your call.
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Makes perfect sense. The human body has 2 arms, 2 legs, and we all have the same range of motion and limits of range of motion (all things being equal). So there is only so many ways a human can move and only so many things we can do. It makes perfect sense that a lot of techniques will be common across multiple systems even if (back in history when these systems were contemporaries) those systems never came in contact with each other. We all have carotid arteries, jugular veins, a trachea, a heart, 2 lungs. Our elbows bend one way and not the other…etc.
From personal experience (not that I've ever been in a knife fight) I'd say the best thing is practice. And I mean practice with a variety of opponents and less than lethal knife synthesizers. For little knives, I like to wrap butter knives in tape for training, the pain will teach you. I don't think there is any particular best martial art, or even technique, you have to do what works for you and hopefully beat your opponent. If it's knives and a determined opponent, you will definitely end up cut up and probably stabbed at least once. If you don't have a gun or a good stick, RUN.
For reference, I've done HEMA almost as long as Matt, ex US military, et cetera ad nauseam.
I suppose, in context, I must say I prefer to use what looks like eastern techniques, but you'll find parallels in sword and buckler or dagger.
Elbows generally in, hands generally nearly together. Because that's what works for me (with smaller blades).
Knives are very variable, and I like to point out that several of the most deadly weapons in the house, including guns, are the bigger kitchen knives.
Entirely different philosophy for me with those, they have enough oomph to give brutal cuts, and enough length and breadth to nearly guarantee an incapacitating and likely fatal thrust. Means I keep the left hand behind the back as needed, and fight a bit more like sabre if possible.
Nothing I've ever had to use, thankfully. As a medic, I've seen the results.
Kinda funny I say that, I quit carrying a pistol a bit over a year ago, now I just carry me knife and cane. (Don't walk so well anymore). Carrying a pistol, I now believe in retrospect, probably kept me out of two knife fights for certain - and ended both. I hate people fighting for no good reason, although I have no problems with a good fair fight for a good reason.
Yes, I believe duelling to the death should be allowed, but socially, not legally prevented.
I carry a very heavy walking stick (Cold Steel's "Walkabout Stick"). The last time I got into a fight was 20 years ago. So my bet is obviously on bartitsu.
I'm getting old now, no more sparing for me. However, in my time I practiced a few martial arts, was pretty good at fencing with the Epee and was also (among many other jobs) a cop in the UK for a while which involved training in knife defense. I've only ever faced down two people with knives on separate occasions and it was not fun. Both times were quite intense and very dangerous, but I will say 100% that I'm very, very thankful I was able to resolve the situation both times without being attacked (threatened yes, attacked no). This is not a "I kicked their asses" story of bravado, no, I'm very happy I didn't have to find out if I could fight against a person with knife. I was also shot at once and for some reason I was less afraid when that happened than with the knives. Maybe I had more understanding of firearms from my days in the army and also could see that the guy shooting at me was not a very good shot, lol. Anyway, I have been thinking to take up a walking cane defense system meant for older people. Not sure how realistic that would be, but at least in the UK I can have a cane in public and it might be fun to learn how to use it as a weapon for self defense. Or maybe an umbrella. I know there are classes in such things, this video has now enthused me to research that topic a bit more.
tbh your training in fencing will serve you better than the bartitsu you'll come across if you search for cane fighting.
two of my long time favorite things military combatives and knives...as to the Japanese methods once upon a time (i'm old) a friend I had who was an instructor of a Japanese tradition who also really liked knives so I asked him where was the knife fighting in his school and he showed me how he applied katas from other weapons into knife fighting the one he showed me and said was his favorite was a kata for kamas.. I was impressed always moving a series of 8 slashes moving forward or backward where he could go straight in at any point interrupting the sequence for a second if the opportunity presented it's self he also showed me a couple other techniques from other weapons applied to knives also useful but something I wouldn't think of in regards to knives
Let me introduce you to the Ukrainian Knife Fighting Federation.
We practice knife on knife, knife vs bare hands, stick vs knife, stick vs knife fighting, and although our base is mainly one on one fencing, we practice one vs many and other street scenarios.
We also like to grapple a little.
So yeah. If you're interested check us out.
As an amateur cutlery collector. My favorites...
1. CRKT Hissatsu.
2. USMC KA-BAR, COLD STEEL LEATHERNECK.
3. BOWIES (Various types/styles/sizes.)
4. DAGGERS (various types/styles/sizes.)
5. DIRKS. (Various types/styles/sizes)
6. KUKRI (same as above.)
7.COMBAT/UTILITY KNIVES 5 INCHES AND UP....
I really love the SOG SEAL Pup Elite. It's such a practical design...used it to trim back bushes in my folks' garden. 🤣
Fun fact, James Williams, the designer of the Hissatsu, is a highly trained traditional Japanese martial arts instructor who has some videos here on TH-cam about his knife work.
@@andrewk.5575 I've seen at least 2. One with the woman and self defense. And the one where introduces the Shibo, and the other tanto variants...
@@andrewk.5575 I have the 2 different variations of the Hissatsu...The early bright stainless, and the later black that looks more like the current HX tanto....Plus, I have the large assisted folder and the Heiho....
I've heard in modern day you only plant a bayonet for deterrence. On guard duty / missions for example, because it makes the target look less desirable for the eventual attacker. That's what I've heard.
There's inevitably a lot of personal preference, personal experience training in particular systems and loyalty to them etc in a question like this. I spent years training with edged weapons in the Filipino martial arts genre. I truly felt it was the top edged weapons training / methodology. Most modern military combatives in relation to edged weapons is nearly entirely Filipino martial arts influenced. Even after studying other edged weapons systems and methods, I still was convinced FMA/Kali was the authority and the best by a significant margin. Then I was engaged in discussion on the topic by someone who had spent nearly two decades training blade work in FMA/Kali, and that once he discovered and got the chance to train in Libre everything changed. I'd never heard of it and decided to do my own research. And he was right. It's only been around since 2004, so it's not as well known yet. Libre Fighting Systems answered this video's topic. If your objective is to learn and train in skills that you can stake your life on if it ever came down to it really happening...then Libre in my opinion is on another level altogether. Research or yourself it's origins, purpose, how it was developed etc. and see for yourself.
filipino self defense + karambit... yes.. "self-defense", but thier hooking and joint manipulation are indeed an awesome sight to behold
Tankendō (短剣道) is bajonet fighting without the rifle like in jukendo. It is all about sparring and sometimes they do mixed sparring with Kendo. It´s very much Kendo done with a long knife.
There is an MMA show where a pen wielding assailant is in a big room with the defender for 1 Minute. Job of the Defender is not getting painted on vital body parts or disarming the opponent, not a single one of them went out without getting stabbed multiple times
I would think that HEMA is more effective than modern knife fighting techniques, if only because the people fighting back then could reasonably expect to have to use a knife or dagger in combat, and did so often enough to develop and improve upon their art. Modern soldiers rarely use knives as weapons, and ironically I think most people today who do use knives in fights have little to no training.
3:39 That was a _phenomenal_ transition lol.
I'm not your target audience by a long shot, Matt. But I do find your talks very engaging and absorbing.
A good example of (modesty aside) an enthusiastic expert / knowledgeable teacher presenting an interesting primer into a subject whilst providing useful background knowledge and research for further investigation.
Matt Easton, there's recent viral footage of an Australian man who was murdered in a knife fight. It absolutely confirms for me how deadly knives are. To the point that I seriously question the practicality of learning knife self defence.
If you are aware of the video or have seen it, do you have any thoughts or comments?
Also it's definitely NSFL.
Before watching
2 knives out: idfk
He has a knife: Folkstyle Wrestling, but you're fuc*ked
You have a knife: Folkstyle Wrestling if you stab when down, boxing if you have the knife out
I've trained some Phillpino Arnis & Combatives
But out of the 3 you picked, I'd say HEMA if you can find it (though it's the only I haven't tried)
Very interesting video ! I Absolutely love knives
Matt we need to see non regulation swords soon :)
I recommend Bowie Knife fencing, Japanese Jujitsu (for control) and Ringen. For larger agricultural style blades like Bolos or machetes I recommend FMA.
Bowie knife fencing?? What size of bowies do you use for that?? Id be claiming that a knife size weapons fight can not be called fencing.. as a lot of techniques available with a sword.. simple does not come into play with a knife, and the best deployment of a sword is vastly different from that of a knife.. unless its a really big one, brodering to shortsword size, imo.
@@moparman1692 Knife fencing has more to do with the footwork and way of holding the knife and prioritizing the Thrust. I have plenty of videos on my page proving this point & actually people instinctually ‘fence’ in real knife fights. Meaning they keep long range distance for fear of getting hit, the midrange which so many “knife fighting systems” prioritize is almost nonexistent in a real knife or weapon duel.
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@@daxmafesi not sure i agree with what you said about mid range vs long range. Half-handing in swordplay comes to mind as an example. Also.. if you look at some of the South-eastern Asian systems.. they focus on the really close range stuff with great success. Again..the strategy being that the knife is a surprise weapon, and not something you present to your opponent, like in a duel. In a duel.. i would like for my weapon to have some good reach, for obvious reasons, and that would ofc lend itself to long range exchanges, as you suggest, but fact remains, medieval swordplay quite oten becomes a close range contest. That said.. id be happy to look at any content of your suggestion regarding Bowie play.
@@moparman1692 I’m not talking about half swording, I have a playlist of over 40 modern day duels and the results are the same you can watch it for yourself, long range is the primary range when and if mid range happens it quickly closes and ends up in a grappling match against a weapon, there’s lots of FMA guys who agree and even in dog brothers matches it’s the same results. Long range and grappling range is most important, mid range only happens for a few seconds if it hasn’t already stopped at long range.
what a beauty of a knife you have in your hands , who made it , model ?
There isn't one art for this it's how realistically and at what intensity the attacker applies themselves. The art argument is like falling down into a hole, you see it and know the risks but still go towards it and fall in.
The Marine Corps had us put quite a lot of time into hand to hand combat and knife fighting skills when I went through SOI. Quite frankly I am glad I never got that close to my enemies on deployment.
In Aikido we learnt with a boken and a tanto, where the use of the tanto came from learning the boken
Both attack and defense
From the focus on empty hand, by the time we transitioned to boken and then tanto, knife fighting was very easy to do and master
Lol... try that shit. Get life insurance.
Very good, always educational, always fun as well...😊👍
"Weapons change the game." Nice quote as almost everything goes 'out the window' when weapons present. Knife defense I've seen, my goodness. Getting in a knife fight, figure you're going to the hospital scarred for life if not mortally wounded. The Greeks/Romans/Everyone are laughing: A blade fight with no shield, no helmet, no armor protecting vitals, and (usually) a pitifully short blade. They might even think this a staged execution. Advice I've taken to heart: Never bring a knife to a gunfight.
I'd like you to review the final duel in Dune 2.
Handgun and knife, now that's proper space marine.
Wing Chun Kung Fu has a knife form using butterfly knives. There are quite a few videos on here showing this form.