I think the AoL player ignored the Orc Trackers and Prowlers 4+ to hit because in a Team event he is much more likely to run into Blinding Light (Poland had 2 out of 3 lists with it as an example and probably expected the same from many others) compared to normal events so everything will hit on 6s anyway. Poland probably wants to use this list to counter the other team's shooting list too so then having the extra range is more important than normal since when the orc trackers and prowlers get in range they risk a lot of good shooting coming back to them. Then having 18" range is way more important and they can then play the list more defensively to avoid giving up points. Something that is almost as important as getting wins in team formats. In single events you need to be able to win each game with good margins/tie breakers to have a shot for the first place and thus need to be able to be more aggressive (like prowlers) to score all those points. That is not as needed here.
I was part of team Canada! It was my first Tournament and I had only been playing for a few months (I am a very quick learner). I got away with 2 wins, one was a major victory so I came out of the Tournament feeling quiet good even though we were dead last I still enjoyed myself and learned a lot for the next time. Hopefully team Canada pulls together a good team for next year and maybe ill get to join in one way or another haha. Also the list I brought was not as competitive as it could have been (pretty much low might Angmar with WK, Tainted, 2 Wights and a Shade) so I knew I wouldn't be winning all my games.
That's a great accomplishment in such a competitive tournament, well done! I hope no offence was taken given our comments, we aren't totally in tune with the east coast players, we only know a couple from several international events and we didn't see them attend this event. Absolutely, it would be awesome to field a strong team in the future and show the word Canada's potential!
@intothewestpodcast No offense taken at all haha. I'm a nobody from New Brunswick! I think everyone was planning to go the year after, so there was more planning and such (there may even be a sign up for it haha).
22:55 This list seems bred for some purpose… death to the Dragon Emperor. Pike block isn’t great when the middle Pike is moved out of base contact, but still within 1” of the original (imagine slightly to the side). This cuts the dice way down, potentially out of banner too, and can trap the model. All while worrying about Gwahir hurling the weak Easterlings through tons of Pike supports.
Well, this is proof that host of the drag emp is OP. I always thought Gandalf was kind of bad, is it a new thing to use him? Also, I just want your opinion on this as some extremely strong players, is triple transfix any good (WK + mouth + wraith) in not just good vs evil, or is it just not competative?
Gandalf the Grey is totally playable, a bit niche but he's not bad (like Gandalf the White). Triple caster is a strong build, I've done it before with a good amount of success! Mainly because it's not easy to get fortify spirit.
Teams had to speak in a language all players could understand. So English was pretty much the default but Poland vs Hussars was played in Polish. If Austria played Germany they could use German
as an isengard player, the poland dummy list is fun, but lacking in Xbows to be taken seriously🤣particularly in good Vs evil. between gandalf,galadriel and cirdan about 2 thirds of good armies are gonna have blinding light, so ballista lose a lot of effectiveness. they are too 'all or nothing' into ranged. and without the full rerolls, not worth losing th named heroes for in the legion (imo) but Xbows, apart from shooting, are also F4 S4 D5 C3 warriors that you can slap infront of pikes. so you shoot at what's outside the bubble, and/or march at it with a horde. your actual investment into ranged is about 2-4% of your points limit. at 800 you can run 4-5 heroes and 45-60 troops, (so 15-20 xbows+hero bows) mostly all uruks. at least double if not triple or quadruple march, could grab a drum, 11-15 might points, grab some cheap fearless with the oathmaker, just a big fast grindy, fightly, shooty mess🤣
Agreed. The takeaway with seeing that dummy list is that there is an option to build a better shooty list in the normal pure list now. It’s hard to justify small ballista buffs in the legion for what you have to give up.
@@intothewestpodcast legion is strictly for bomb aficionados now i reckon. on the plus side i now have a 5 hero 60 model 18 Xbow shot list to test. built one just to make sure my numbers were right, and now i really want to throw it into some games🤣
I was team Captain for Canada! I’m one of the founder of the Québec league. I tried really hard to get guys from all over Canada but no one from the west answered! We tried to get some of the Ontario players but none were available unfortunately. We still had a lot of fun but didn’t manage to win a round. We are currently working on a team for next year already! Has we enjoyed pur experience
@marcpage6514 Very cool, yeah it was a bit abrupt. I personally didn't hear about the event until a month or two in advance and something like that would need more planning for me. Glad to hear it was a great event, I'm definitely considering next year!
@@intothewestpodcast if you could add me to the proper page I would be more than happy to make announcements and even make the trip out in the west sometime
Would be great to see you guys next year!
I think the AoL player ignored the Orc Trackers and Prowlers 4+ to hit because in a Team event he is much more likely to run into Blinding Light (Poland had 2 out of 3 lists with it as an example and probably expected the same from many others) compared to normal events so everything will hit on 6s anyway. Poland probably wants to use this list to counter the other team's shooting list too so then having the extra range is more important than normal since when the orc trackers and prowlers get in range they risk a lot of good shooting coming back to them. Then having 18" range is way more important and they can then play the list more defensively to avoid giving up points. Something that is almost as important as getting wins in team formats. In single events you need to be able to win each game with good margins/tie breakers to have a shot for the first place and thus need to be able to be more aggressive (like prowlers) to score all those points. That is not as needed here.
Great insight on the team format, thanks!
I know some of the guys from team canada and yeah they were assembled on short notice and just wanted to participate and have fun
They seemed like great guys but hopefully in the future we can send in a more competitive team! 🙂
Hahaha I also always confuse Dark Denizens of Mirkwood and Fell Beings of Mirkwood
I was part of team Canada! It was my first Tournament and I had only been playing for a few months (I am a very quick learner). I got away with 2 wins, one was a major victory so I came out of the Tournament feeling quiet good even though we were dead last I still enjoyed myself and learned a lot for the next time. Hopefully team Canada pulls together a good team for next year and maybe ill get to join in one way or another haha. Also the list I brought was not as competitive as it could have been (pretty much low might Angmar with WK, Tainted, 2 Wights and a Shade) so I knew I wouldn't be winning all my games.
That's a great accomplishment in such a competitive tournament, well done! I hope no offence was taken given our comments, we aren't totally in tune with the east coast players, we only know a couple from several international events and we didn't see them attend this event.
Absolutely, it would be awesome to field a strong team in the future and show the word Canada's potential!
@intothewestpodcast No offense taken at all haha. I'm a nobody from New Brunswick! I think everyone was planning to go the year after, so there was more planning and such (there may even be a sign up for it haha).
22:55 This list seems bred for some purpose… death to the Dragon Emperor.
Pike block isn’t great when the middle Pike is moved out of base contact, but still within 1” of the original (imagine slightly to the side).
This cuts the dice way down, potentially out of banner too, and can trap the model.
All while worrying about Gwahir hurling the weak Easterlings through tons of Pike supports.
Absolutely! Not surprised that's what people had in mind...
Can you link the stream channel?
youtube.com/@battlecamperhome?si=wyEFIjIskEw5DkHU
Well, this is proof that host of the drag emp is OP.
I always thought Gandalf was kind of bad, is it a new thing to use him?
Also, I just want your opinion on this as some extremely strong players, is triple transfix any good (WK + mouth + wraith) in not just good vs evil, or is it just not competative?
Gandalf the Grey is totally playable, a bit niche but he's not bad (like Gandalf the White).
Triple caster is a strong build, I've done it before with a good amount of success! Mainly because it's not easy to get fortify spirit.
Which casters did you use?
1. WK
2. Wraith (named or generic)
3. mouth/kardush
POLSKA GUROM
Did everyone have to speak English ?
I believe so, from all the streamed games it seemed like everyone communicated in English.
English was the mandatory language spoken at the tables
Teams had to speak in a language all players could understand. So English was pretty much the default but Poland vs Hussars was played in Polish. If Austria played Germany they could use German
as an isengard player, the poland dummy list is fun, but lacking in Xbows to be taken seriously🤣particularly in good Vs evil. between gandalf,galadriel and cirdan about 2 thirds of good armies are gonna have blinding light, so ballista lose a lot of effectiveness. they are too 'all or nothing' into ranged. and without the full rerolls, not worth losing th named heroes for in the legion (imo) but Xbows, apart from shooting, are also F4 S4 D5 C3 warriors that you can slap infront of pikes. so you shoot at what's outside the bubble, and/or march at it with a horde. your actual investment into ranged is about 2-4% of your points limit. at 800 you can run 4-5 heroes and 45-60 troops, (so 15-20 xbows+hero bows) mostly all uruks. at least double if not triple or quadruple march, could grab a drum, 11-15 might points, grab some cheap fearless with the oathmaker, just a big fast grindy, fightly, shooty mess🤣
Agreed. The takeaway with seeing that dummy list is that there is an option to build a better shooty list in the normal pure list now. It’s hard to justify small ballista buffs in the legion for what you have to give up.
@@intothewestpodcast legion is strictly for bomb aficionados now i reckon. on the plus side i now have a 5 hero 60 model 18 Xbow shot list to test. built one just to make sure my numbers were right, and now i really want to throw it into some games🤣
Thanks for sharing fellas.
Irolas over Madril? really? :D
They are equally good!
I was team Captain for Canada!
I’m one of the founder of the Québec league.
I tried really hard to get guys from all over Canada but no one from the west answered!
We tried to get some of the Ontario players but none were available unfortunately.
We still had a lot of fun but didn’t manage to win a round.
We are currently working on a team for next year already! Has we enjoyed pur experience
Tsk tsk ITW crew. Where was BC when Quebec called? Where was BC when Team Canada's enemies closed in around them? Where was BC when...
@marcpage6514
Very cool, yeah it was a bit abrupt. I personally didn't hear about the event until a month or two in advance and something like that would need more planning for me. Glad to hear it was a great event, I'm definitely considering next year!
We did not see the beacons lit... 😅😂 @princedetenebres
@@intothewestpodcast if you could add me to the proper page I would be more than happy to make announcements and even make the trip out in the west sometime
@@marcpage6514 we would love to have you! Just join "West Coast Hobbits" group on Facebook!