It should be noted that Nintendo rejected Argonaut's Yoshi pitch due to already working on Super Mario 64, and it was too similar to what Argonaut presented them. Jez San himself said this in an interview in issue 24 of Sega Saturn Magazine. So it was basically rejected due to conflict of interest. On another note, last year Jez also said that he'd like to give Croc a remake someday. Perhaps this could give Croc a chance to be a much better game with modern controls.
Never realized this game was also on the Saturn. This was a really charming 3D platformer back in the day. I felt like if they could’ve gone on to make a Croc 3 on the PS2, they could’ve actually honed their craft enough to where these games were actually spoken of in the same breath as Sly Cooper and Ratchet and Clank.
@@Tom-jw7ii you’re correct I just remembered Sonic Team was one of the most proficient development teams on the Saturn. It’s a shame they ended up sabotaging themselves and SEGA by not making a 3D Sonic when it was most needed
Sonic Team already made a good 3D platforming engine for the Saturn with Sonic Jam and even controlled well with a d-pad, only problem was they never made it into a full game since they were moving to the Dreamcast.
@@ClassicSonicSatAm Yeah hearing the story of Sonic extreme is maddening but not surprising. The whole Saturn generation was like that. It's frankly amazing it got as many good games as it did. Ashamed the vast majority of great ones never made it over from the East.
Solid title for sure. Similar camera/control issue of 3d titles back then. I'd love to see a simple remaster of alot of 3d titles of the 90s. Just call it 90s 3d Bonanza: Rectified Camera Edition.
yes please! also if they could just have a button press instead of changing of characters in barrels for Donkey Kong64 that would be greatly appreciated!
All they had to do was anytime the camera got confused, just have it hold still and pull back a bit. The camera problem was too close, and at a bad angle. Holding still and Zooming back a bit fixes that. The initial camera was just a little bit too close
Oh man that would be so fun. Bug!, Gex, Croc, there’s so many more tho. I’m trying to leave out ones that have aged better or already gotten re-releases, like crash and Spyro and the like ^_^
Although the Saturn Port is very impressive, the only thing that bugged me about this particular port is that there were several songs that were removed that were on the PS1 Version, because the Saturn Port used an Audio Redbook Format, it kind of feels like all they did were record a good number of tracks from the PS1 for the Saturn and called it a day, but not all of the tracks that were on the PS1 Version are found on the Saturn, and if I'm not mistaken, the PC Version is a direct port of the Saturn version because it uses the same redbook audio. Sources: I had the PC and Saturn Versions growing up. I played the PS1 version later on and found that some tracks that were on the PS1 were not on the Saturn and was kind of disappointed because like Sega Lord X mentions, the Soundtrack is a real treat to listen to.
I remember I played this like maybe once maybe a demo or something but I know that I tried to play it after years of playing other platformers and it felt even back in the early 2000s pretty archaic. I would say trying to go back to it now with tank controls and horrible camera would be impossible unless you have a pretty strong sense of nostalgia for it.
I had gotten the PC version for my birthday, and I had a blast playing it. (I had to have been like 6) fast forward to about a year or so later, the Saturn wasn't doing so well, so we happened to be at some sort of Swap Meet, and I saw it there for like 10 bucks. I remember thinking, "what?? They have this game on Saturn? And I can finally play this game with a controller instead of a keyboard?" So I asked my mother for it, and my mom doesn't really know anything about video games, she didn't know that game is the same one they got me a year or so back for my bday, and she ended up purchasing it for me.. So ended up having 2 copies of the same game.
Another thing not mentioned in the video is the poor lighting compared to the PS1 version. That's not a game specific issue though, as all 3D games released for both consoles have better lighting on PS1. For the most part, Saturn did better with 2D while PS1 did better with 3D (although it had Z-buffer issues.)
Ahhhhh Croc my childhood, I loved this game as a kid! This and Croc 2 are some of my favorite 3D platformers, I loved these games because of their fun gameplay, cute/cartoony esthetic, charm, solid level design and amazing music! I absolutely love this series I hope one day we will see Croc get a revival!
I haven't watched the entire video, and never played it, but just from first glance Croc's animations seem ahead of their time, the way his hips and legs move isn't blocky in the slightest and I think most of the character's other primary animations look pretty impressive.
I loved this game as a young teen, it was refreshing playing a 3d platformer on the console I so vehemently stood up for. I felt like I was always trying to defend the Saturn, and now it has its place in nostalgic history
I adored this game as a kid on PlayStation. Croc 2 was even better, wish it wasn't cancelled on Dreamcast. We need these two polished up and released on Nintendo Switch
Absolutely 100% I love Croc: Legend Of The Gobbos and Croc 2, those games were my childhood. They’re fantastic games with great visuals and memorable music, Croc definitely deserves the remake treatment that a lot of other mascot platformer characters have been getting.
@JC Denton Absolutely would have to agree with you on that statement. With it's unfairly punishing health system, the whole unnecessary shop system, an inconsistent delay when it comes to making jumps, and a rather strange glitch involving some of the bonus room trophies not counting towards 100% game completion, yeah even I couldn't stomach this sequel. By the time it was released in 1999, there was much, much better variety when it came to platformers by that time. The first one was okay at best, and the second one was pure shit.
@@Laynel8 I mean the first one benefited I guess from not everyone playing Mario 64 even though it had been out for I think 2 years when it first released. But by the time the second game was out you had multiple versions of Spyro I believe and lots of other games that were far better like you said. Also this was a Fox interactive game and anyone can tell you their games turned to total garbage pretty fast.
I have to say it is absolutely astonishing that Argonaut was able to create a "full" 3D platformer on Saturn hardware and I wished the Saturn was able to get more 3D collect-a-thons before its demise. Even if the game hasn't aged particularly well, this still seems quite the technical achievement much like Star Fox on the SNES.
Well these were the guys that created the SuperFX chip and made Starfox with Nintendo, so I'd say tech wise they were one of the best 3rd parties out there
It's still good on PS1 at least, aside from the tank controls. For those who don't know, It's sequel released for PC and PS1, but was canceled on Dreamcast.
@@dapperfan44 It would have been interesting to see Croc 2 on the Dreamcast. Though, at least the Dreamcast did get its fair share of 3D platformers even for its short life.
@@mattb6522 I've been on a quest to play all of the "only on Dreamcast/not Sonic Adventure 1 and 2" 3D platformers. So far all I know of is Kao the Kangaroo and Super Magnetic Neo. The former I remember from a Dreamcast kiosk in childhood, but it's too generic. The latter is a lot more inventive, but has incredibly punishing difficulty. I did manage to beat it, but I don't know that I can 100% it. I also would've loved to see Croc 2 on the Dreamcast. It's graphics with 60 FPS would've rivaled SA1.
i would love to collaborate on a review with you. it would be an honor, tons of fun, and educational to the Saturn/Sega fans who didnt have the priviledge of growing up w the machines
Croc had so much potential. One major issue I had back in the day with my Saturn version was a random bug that made Croc invisible, so you could only see his floating backpack, which made it near impossible to play. But yeah, controls bring it down the most, but you can't help but keep trying because of its charm.
@@summerishere2868 Ah that's right! I heard about this "fix" a long while back. Oh well, too late for Croc, but if I get the urge to go back then at least I know this trick now, cheers.
Croc also had a sequel that was planned for both the Saturn and Playstation in 1998, but the Saturn port got canceled because Sega discontinued the console. There were also Game Boy Color ports of Croc and Croc 2.
I loved Croc on PlayStation 1. I had the exact same issues that you did and I really tried to overlook them because the game was fun. I even ported it to my PSP and by then I realized I wasn’t wrong about the controller aspect. One simple thing keeping everything the same to help would’ve been to allow the crystals to stay on screen longer so you could pick more up after being hit. As you said, most hits weren’t our fault, it was Camera and controls so having that one simple thing would’ve made a huge difference.
Croc had, at the time: - The “collect crystals to use as life” like Sonic rings. - The “rescue caged Gobbos” like Rayman. - The “backpack” , climbing, swimming, and ‘tank’ controls like Lara Croft. - The “spin attack” like Crash. - The “butt attack” like Gex. - And the remnants of the story of what seemed to be a 3D Mario World 2/Yoshi’s Island sequel game. It was as a mechanically solid game. There were just more memorable games on the market at the time.
I was a kid when PS1/N64/Saturn released, we had demo discs on the PS1, and I can remember wanting Croc so bad. Back in those days it felt the 3D worlds were endless and mysterious. I love the 90s.
I cut my teeth on 3D platformers with an N64 controller. I can’t imagine the nightmare that controlling a game like this was on a standard Saturn or PS1 controllers without analog sticks.
The bug in the PAL version is funny, he starts out headless by default if you power up the console with the disc tray closed. Ya got to leave the disc tray open, so it goes to the settings screen, then close the disc tray and launch the game. 100% agreed with you that the camera is really working against you. The amount of time I spent trying to gauge a timed jump sequence only to fail repeatedly... got a bit annoying.
croc's port for the saturn was a gorgeous 'anomaly'. it was sooo close to the stunning ps1 version and the only game on the system that could rival mario 64. argonaut's work was proof that the saturn could handle fully 3d environments and high res textures, when proper care was given.
Huge kudos to Argonaut for not skimping or half-arsing the Saturn release. I actually like this game quite a bit, and that isn't nostalgia talking, I played it for the first time a few months ago! I've only played it on PlayStation, but I'd love to give it a go on Sega's machine as well
Y’know something. Right when I got my Saturn for Christmas. I’ve actually decided to get croc for Saturn. And to be honest….I was happy qvq That and die hard trilogy
"The music was a bit of a shocker". In UK-speak if something is a "shocker", it's terrible. So to hear that the music is actually good was a pleasant surprise.
Aww, I was hoping you'd mention the infamous "Headless Croc" glitch the Saturn version had. You'd play the entire game with no head if you booted the game up with the disc already inside the machine.
The most interesting aspect was that the Saturn and Playstation were technically actually able for games like Mario 64. Problem was the controls as mentioned in the video. It wasn't terrible but compared to the Nintendo solution it just felt outdated. Since this game was pretty strong in the genre for the 32 bit version it shows how far ahead nintendo was in the department of 3D jump n runs.
It looks like one of the reasons the Nintendo 64 was released later than Saturn and PSX was because they realized the problems of 3D platforms and spent months polishing Mario 64 to solve them.
Croc was one of those games that was hampered by the consoles it was on. I bought it for the Saturn back in the day for many of the same reasons highlighted in the video, it was an impressive looking title on the Saturn proving it had 3D chops. If you played this game after Tomb Raider you would likely be fine with the controls, It's after playing Mario 64 that the consoles limitations come through. The N64 from day one came with an analog controller, and as such all of the games take advantage of it. The Saturn and the PSX/PS1 had standard digital pads and had to make do with that control scheme. I wonder what a sequel to this game would have looked/played like on the Dreamcast. I imagine something like Fur Fighters in look and feel, even though going back to play that game on DC is similar in respects, now we are use to Dual analog sticks on our gamepads, back then we somehow made it through that game with one analog stick and digital controls...
Well, here's a question. Considering the fact that this is a 3D platformer, and that the Nintendo 64 was specifically made for 3D games, why the heck wasn't this game released on the N64? Think about it. We could have had a 3rd party 3D platformer on all three 5th generation consoles at the time, but they didn't do that for some reason. It's weird to think that even though most games from that era were guaranteed a Playstation release, developers still had to choose between the N64 and Saturn.
@@RobGMun Honestly, I think a game like this has no chance of getting re-released anyway. It's just one countless platformers released at that time there were okay at best but have aged very poorly in one way or the other. I said in another comment and I think MLX said it himself Mario 64 came out before this game did and definitely outshines it in almost every way. This game was decent back in its day but it definitely does not hold up especially with tank controls and a terrible camera
@@Golemoid I get it. It's just I think it's highly unlikely as in extremely highly unlikely. But Heck if we're making impossible wish lists I've got a few hundred to add. I mean this is an obscure game from a period of time people prefer to forget it's from Fox interactive who no longer exist and have been absorbed into Disney. The chance of anything around this actually happening is like so impossibly small it's not even worth really debating it.
@@ShaunBaaSheep Yeah I kind of forgot that one little detail (about Argonaut no longer existing) but it's kind of like the cherry on a disappointment sundae. Honestly just way too tied up into things to have it worth it. I'm not saying there's no interest that would be a lie but what I am saying is there's enough interest for it to be successful like a Spyro or one of those games.
I remember playing the original on PC as a kid and having a blast. Sound design and graphics were incredible. I also had issues with the controls and camera. I remember having a tough time with one of the levels near the very end where it's dark and there are those hard to land platforms, where if you land on its edge you're basically dead. I eventually finished it and the secret final boss, and it was enjoyable. I also remember reading on the back of the instruction booklet that Croc II was coming. I made sure to get it when I was a bit older on PS1 and having a way easier time with that title, though something made me appreciate the original more. I wish this series gets a remake and even sequels one day. Here's hoping...
Your review makes me want to add this to my collection after I have my Saturn refurbished. I still highly recommend Super Tempo. I know you didn't love Tempo for the 32X, but Super Tempo on the Saturn is a lot better--especially if you have a turbo controller. I do think it's way too expensive nowadays, but I find it to be my favorite platformer on the Saturn. The only downfall might be the language barrier as some light Japanese is necessary for at least one level of the game. It would really benefit from a fan translation. It's pretty funny, and my Japanese is far from fluency. I still found it highly enjoyable. Tight controls. Good graphics and music. Short, but the collectables and the multiple endings give it decent replayability.
I always appreciated the game CROC back in the day but I also agree with everything ‘ol Sega Lord X is saying here. Despite MARIO 64 was an excellent game that set the standard, a lot of other polygon games of that era were just rough around the edges. Another game from that era that I enjoyed a bit was 40 WINKS on the PS1. If I remember correctly it played much more smoothly than CROC did.
Get the pc release. paired with a ms sidewinder controller and a voodoo or equal card. Runs smooth with no slowdown and arguably looks better too. And the sidewinder support is great.
Very fair review. Games like "Mario 64" and "Banjo Kazooie" were all the rage back then, and I was very grateful to have Croc as a way to have something comparable on the Saturn. However, although I never thought of it in these terms before, your review helped me realize that it was actually like if "Banjo Kazooie" had "Resident Evil 1" tank controls. "Croc" tended to keep things not too fast or hectic to give players a fighting chance under those circumstances, which I appreciated, but it still made many of the later levels exercises in frustration because the controls were so stiff and clunky for a game that relied on precision jumps. It was a product of its time, and that sadly includes being a byproduct of its era's then-halfway-unresolved learning curves with 3D gaming. Still a game I have good memories of, though, and that I like to this day. Just plan on going into it as a precision platformer, and you can still have a decent time with it.
@@PaperBanjo64 Go in with low expectations and maybe you'll enjoy it. It's clear that the developers had no idea what created the distinctly gloomy and foreboding atmosphere of the first game.
I was 7-10 during my original time with a Saturn. Croc was the last game I got for my Saturn before I made the switch to PlayStation! I did rent Steep Slope Sliders at one point during my last few months before making the switch, but that was pretty much that. I didn't mind the tank controls, I just accepted it as how Resident Evil is played. Maybe they were fine for that game but you'd expect something less restricting for a game like Croc, but getting past that, I still had fun with this game! With not much else coming to the Saturn around this time, and liking character platformers anyway, I just HAD TO go for Croc! I really must re-add this to my collection sometime. I noticed one tune from this version isn't in the PlayStation version (which one of my brother's friends had)! I still consider it to be a tragedy Sega took the wrong approach to entering the 32 bit era. They should've taken more time to fine tune their console to ensure it performs well, is easy to develop for and think about the consequences of making certain moves before making them! The 32X was just a bad turn that paved the way for worse to come! Going back to Croc, it really should be on Evercade. The first Croc cart could feature the first PSone game and both Game Boy Color releases, the 2nd cart could have the 2nd PSone title and all 3 mobile installments!
Like you mentioned not many 3D action-adventure games, another game similar to Croc but more simpler is the import Ninpen Manmaru worth playing if just for the genre alone. Has a similar control scheme + early 3D action-adventure engine, but Saturn pulled it off fairly well. The color pallet reminds me of the 3D world of Sonic Jam of what could have been.
Fun fact about argonaut, they literally made a true 3d (albeit wire frame) flying game for the original Game Boy. They were expert programmers (hence the 3d Saturn croc), and that game boy demo actually convinced nintendo to hire them to make the 3DFX chip and 3d flier Starfox for the SNES.
I absolutely love this game. I play it once every two years for my mental health, I need to save the child in me. Never played the Saturn version though, the system and its games were ridiculously expensive in my country, so we all went with the PS1 and sometimes just pirated games for free.
This game brings a lot of nostalgia. I remember the PC version was installed on this computer that was shared at an after-school program I went to. I played it years later and it probably would have been better as a memory, because God damn, I forgot it had tank controls, and I hate tank controls with a passion.
Yeah it definitely is one of those games that was okay at the time and has aged like milk in a hot car. The controls and camera really kill it for most people. Much like going back to the old tomb raider games or even the old resident evil games unless you have nostalgia for it you won't enjoy it probably at all.
My parents got this game for my sister and it cracked as we pulled it out of the case. I never got to play it and always wondered what it was like. It looks great! Especially for Saturn. A good 3D platformer was pretty rare
Believe it or not, this was my Mario 64 back then, I know, but still, this game was great and I had lots of fun with it. The tank controls never bothered me, it was pretty common at that time, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider, games we played to death and I was totally used to it. In Croc, you can use L and R to make sharper turns while running and even use it in midair for finer tuning. I remember the camera allow three positions, for platforming, there's a higher one. 3D platformers aren't perfect, even today, when I play Mario 64, there are times where the camera won't help and even his movements can get in the way, if you try to make quick turns, etc. Croc isn't as acrobatic not as agile, it's a more limited and confined game. Jajamaru Kun on the Saturn is a similar game with similar issues, platforming is bad there, but it's a fun action game, I was so used to the Saturn version, when I tried the PS1 on an emulator, the controls are a mess, I believe the Saturn is something like an updated version, because it has the Gold label on the title.
I’ve never played the Saturn version of Croc, but I did play the PC version and loved it, I have a soft spot for this game, and liked the 2nd one on PSX.
The problems you had on the controls are true of all versions, i played this on the PC and the controls were just as difficult in the same way you described.
I've always known it as that one game promoted on the Home Alone 3 VHS. It seemed okay from what I've seen. I should give it a chance sometime. Other than that, great review!
Croc was 1 of my first PlayStation games.I still have some nostalgia for this game,But like you sayed the Camera give’s you a hard time regularly.Another game on PlayStation that had also this problem was “Kingsley’s adventure”.Croc 2 improved on a lot ,But after watching your video I might give the original “Croc”another try.
It's like they submitted a completed Yoshi game to Nintendo, then hurriedly redesigned all of the characters. A crocodile for Yoshi, a demon for Bowser, worms in pipes for piranha plants, etc. The pound-the-ground and hanging from an overhead wire animations are near identical to Mario doing the same in Super Mario 64.
Wow, memories. I loved this game. As young as I was, I did struggle with the controls but I also had a Dreamcast system. I was able to adjust. I struggle with PC games but consoles are easy to adapt.
I still have my PAL Saturn copy where Croc is missing its head. Back then i thought this was a general bug of the Saturn version until i later read about this being actually a faulty copy that was replaced with a working one without this bug. However it is still possible to play this copy normally if you start the game from the CD player mode of the Saturn. Still love this game so much because of the cute design & sound FX.
Got this for my birthday this year. Always wanted it as a kid, but for some reason never asked for it. My partner got me a damn near perfect PAL copy for a super low price, and after a 24 year wait, I'm not disappointed at all.
You really undersold just how bad Nintendo screwed over argonaut. According to interviews, Nintendo took a ton of their work to create Mario 64, without giving them any credit or anything. Croc started as the little bits that they could wrestle from nintendo copyright bs. Hence the release on playstation and Saturn. Croc is like a Mario 64 pre-alpha demo was turned into its own game.
Yeah I think that was an oversight on his part, development for this game began in 1994 before Nintendo even began working on Super Mario 64. Wouldn't be the first time Nintendo screwed Argonaut over, but it was the last straw.
I used to go LARPing with one of the Argonaut guys. He was lead on Kuju (Battalion Wars) by then. Made crazy Weta Workshop style inventions in his spare time. Gave me fantastic dating advice. Good chap.
I first met this game on psx, and witha dual shock its controls are quite good. When I saw it for Saturn I thought it could be hard on saturns joystick
Croc 1 was a 1997 game, was it compatible with the Dualshock despite being such an early release? Widespread Dualshock compatibility from games didn’t start until 1998!
Played it recently and it has that old school charm, definitely some frustrating elements but. A very impressive port. Didnt know the PS version existed til wayyy later.
I kinda liked Croc. It was cute and simple to play. It reminded me of Sonic World in Sonic Jam, just more claustrophobic. I had never seen the Saturn version though, just the Playstation one. Both versions look pretty close based on this video review.
I like Croc (1&2), I have the game on the Playstation and think it's still quite playable today but I completely agree about the bad controls and camera.
This was one of my most anticipated games for Saturn back in the day hoping against hope it would match Mario 64. Ultimately I knew the control had nowhere near the finesse of Mario, but I remember playing the hell out of it nonetheless.
Definitely a fair review, as usual. I would say to people with an interest in trying Croc, play the Playstation version. I had Croc for the Saturn when it was new, and I didn't like it because the camera is too zoomed in at all times. This leads to more camera issues and makes the jumps and climbing much harder. The Playstation version has the camera further away from the character. It plays a lot better as a result. I don't remember why, but I got the urge to try Croc again back in early 2019. I was also curious to see if my opinion would change from back in 1998, as I was disappointed in the Saturn version. I decided to try the PS1 version after hearing it was better. And the way Croc played, complete with stiff tank controls and being playable with digital controls, was exactly what I was in the mood for at the time. I also liked the small sections of the levels. It's definitely not a game for everyone, and it has issues, but it can be a good time for those who know what they're getting into. For me, it was a pleasant surprise to finally get some value out of a game, albeit a different version, that I could not enjoy back when it was new.
Croc is definitely on my "games I think are underrated" list, especially these days. People trash it for the tank controls but the game is still perfectly playable despite that. The stages are designed with the tank controls in mind and never asks the impossible from you. There's also a button that lets you do a quick 180 degree turn, even while running. That being said, the PS1 version is probably the version to get. There's less slowdown and it's a lot cheaper (as is the case with most PS1 games).
I think by the time Croc 2 was being developed, the Saturn was already dead and the Dreamcast was on its way out as well. The Playstation was still the strongest-selling system in the late 90's so it made sense not to waste development time on the failing Sega console market. It is still a shame, though.
They were making it for Dreamcast before the publisher pulled the plug. Can't imagine they were happy. There's probably a playable version of it out there now, like that castlevania disk which mysteriously appeared with 1999 code
This game is frustrating as hell. It’s a great game though. This was the first game that I used RGB via Scart to component and man, those colors really pop out of the screen.
Nah is not that frustrating at all. I completed the game 100% when i was a kid and i still can do it. Control makes things hard sometimes but it's an easy game overall
the character is soo cute. liked this game on playstation when i was a kid but i do admit sometimes it had some movement problems but I do still say its a cute and fun adventure to at least run through. wish i got to experience the second game in the franchise
I loved playing croc when I was younger on my PS1. I used to play it alot but this is definitely a good game and I recommend it. I never played it on the sega saturn though but this video bring's back alot of memories for me. I never really played the sequel croc 2. I rented it once and played it a day or 2 but i don't really remember it.
An indifferent review to say the least, I was 12 when Croc came out so it was at the right age to play it. I'll admit the controls haven't aged well at all, still it's one of my go to saturn games when I'm in a platforming mood.
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It should be noted that Nintendo rejected Argonaut's Yoshi pitch due to already working on Super Mario 64, and it was too similar to what Argonaut presented them. Jez San himself said this in an interview in issue 24 of Sega Saturn Magazine. So it was basically rejected due to conflict of interest. On another note, last year Jez also said that he'd like to give Croc a remake someday. Perhaps this could give Croc a chance to be a much better game with modern controls.
Hopefully, there are a bunch of games from back then that would benefit from modern controls...
This aged like fine wine.
Never realized this game was also on the Saturn. This was a really charming 3D platformer back in the day. I felt like if they could’ve gone on to make a Croc 3 on the PS2, they could’ve actually honed their craft enough to where these games were actually spoken of in the same breath as Sly Cooper and Ratchet and Clank.
This looks amazing for a 3D Saturn game! Sonic Team should’ve asked them for help making a 3D Sonic for the system at the time!
This 3D sonic should be launched title.
Sonic Team didn’t need help making a 3D Sonic game on the Saturn. The reason they didn’t make one was because they just didn’t want to.
@@Tom-jw7ii you’re correct I just remembered Sonic Team was one of the most proficient development teams on the Saturn. It’s a shame they ended up sabotaging themselves and SEGA by not making a 3D Sonic when it was most needed
Sonic Team already made a good 3D platforming engine for the Saturn with Sonic Jam and even controlled well with a d-pad, only problem was they never made it into a full game since they were moving to the Dreamcast.
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Yeah hearing the story of Sonic extreme is maddening but not surprising. The whole Saturn generation was like that. It's frankly amazing it got as many good games as it did. Ashamed the vast majority of great ones never made it over from the East.
Solid title for sure. Similar camera/control issue of 3d titles back then. I'd love to see a simple remaster of alot of 3d titles of the 90s. Just call it 90s 3d Bonanza: Rectified Camera Edition.
yes please!
also if they could just have a button press instead of changing of characters in barrels for Donkey Kong64 that would be greatly appreciated!
Would love dual analog support and free moving camera. These games would be great. So much more fun.
Still love the old style tho
All they had to do was anytime the camera got confused, just have it hold still and pull back a bit.
The camera problem was too close, and at a bad angle.
Holding still and Zooming back a bit fixes that.
The initial camera was just a little bit too close
Oh man that would be so fun. Bug!, Gex, Croc, there’s so many more tho. I’m trying to leave out ones that have aged better or already gotten re-releases, like crash and Spyro and the like ^_^
Although the Saturn Port is very impressive, the only thing that bugged me about this particular port is that there were several songs that were removed that were on the PS1 Version, because the Saturn Port used an Audio Redbook Format, it kind of feels like all they did were record a good number of tracks from the PS1 for the Saturn and called it a day, but not all of the tracks that were on the PS1 Version are found on the Saturn, and if I'm not mistaken, the PC Version is a direct port of the Saturn version because it uses the same redbook audio.
Sources: I had the PC and Saturn Versions growing up. I played the PS1 version later on and found that some tracks that were on the PS1 were not on the Saturn and was kind of disappointed because like Sega Lord X mentions, the Soundtrack is a real treat to listen to.
Sources: I'm something of a scientist myself.
I remember I played this like maybe once maybe a demo or something but I know that I tried to play it after years of playing other platformers and it felt even back in the early 2000s pretty archaic. I would say trying to go back to it now with tank controls and horrible camera would be impossible unless you have a pretty strong sense of nostalgia for it.
I’m curious: why did you own the same game on both consoles back then? How did that happen?
I had gotten the PC version for my birthday, and I had a blast playing it. (I had to have been like 6) fast forward to about a year or so later, the Saturn wasn't doing so well, so we happened to be at some sort of Swap Meet, and I saw it there for like 10 bucks. I remember thinking, "what?? They have this game on Saturn? And I can finally play this game with a controller instead of a keyboard?"
So I asked my mother for it, and my mom doesn't really know anything about video games, she didn't know that game is the same one they got me a year or so back for my bday, and she ended up purchasing it for me.. So ended up having 2 copies of the same game.
Another thing not mentioned in the video is the poor lighting compared to the PS1 version. That's not a game specific issue though, as all 3D games released for both consoles have better lighting on PS1. For the most part, Saturn did better with 2D while PS1 did better with 3D (although it had Z-buffer issues.)
Ahhhhh Croc my childhood, I loved this game as a kid! This and Croc 2 are some of my favorite 3D platformers, I loved these games because of their fun gameplay, cute/cartoony esthetic, charm, solid level design and amazing music! I absolutely love this series I hope one day we will see Croc get a revival!
I haven't watched the entire video, and never played it, but just from first glance Croc's animations seem ahead of their time, the way his hips and legs move isn't blocky in the slightest and I think most of the character's other primary animations look pretty impressive.
I loved this game as a young teen, it was refreshing playing a 3d platformer on the console I so vehemently stood up for. I felt like I was always trying to defend the Saturn, and now it has its place in nostalgic history
I always knew the existence of croc for suturn but I never care to look about it, man he looks amazing, feels like banjo Kazooie. Keep going
Makes you wonder if Sega had used the same engine as Croc for Sonic Xtreme would we have seen a true 3d Sonic game on the Saturn?
I love this game, 3 or 4 times till100%. 😁 The ost is great.
hell yea!!!
I adored this game as a kid on PlayStation. Croc 2 was even better, wish it wasn't cancelled on Dreamcast. We need these two polished up and released on Nintendo Switch
I'd love to see a modern 4k rerelease or even a remaster so long as the original is there. I love the gfx of this game
we’d probably get something closer to Croc: Cloud Edition
Absolutely 100% I love Croc: Legend Of The Gobbos and Croc 2, those games were my childhood. They’re fantastic games with great visuals and memorable music, Croc definitely deserves the remake treatment that a lot of other mascot platformer characters have been getting.
@JC Denton Absolutely would have to agree with you on that statement. With it's unfairly punishing health system, the whole unnecessary shop system, an inconsistent delay when it comes to making jumps, and a rather strange glitch involving some of the bonus room trophies not counting towards 100% game completion, yeah even I couldn't stomach this sequel. By the time it was released in 1999, there was much, much better variety when it came to platformers by that time. The first one was okay at best, and the second one was pure shit.
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I mean the first one benefited I guess from not everyone playing Mario 64 even though it had been out for I think 2 years when it first released. But by the time the second game was out you had multiple versions of Spyro I believe and lots of other games that were far better like you said. Also this was a Fox interactive game and anyone can tell you their games turned to total garbage pretty fast.
I have to say it is absolutely astonishing that Argonaut was able to create a "full" 3D platformer on Saturn hardware and I wished the Saturn was able to get more 3D collect-a-thons before its demise. Even if the game hasn't aged particularly well, this still seems quite the technical achievement much like Star Fox on the SNES.
Given that Star Fox used a custom CPU in the cartridge (SNES itself only drew certain 2D elements), I'd say this is probably more impressive.
Well these were the guys that created the SuperFX chip and made Starfox with Nintendo, so I'd say tech wise they were one of the best 3rd parties out there
It's still good on PS1 at least, aside from the tank controls. For those who don't know, It's sequel released for PC and PS1, but was canceled on Dreamcast.
@@dapperfan44 It would have been interesting to see Croc 2 on the Dreamcast. Though, at least the Dreamcast did get its fair share of 3D platformers even for its short life.
@@mattb6522 I've been on a quest to play all of the "only on Dreamcast/not Sonic Adventure 1 and 2" 3D platformers. So far all I know of is Kao the Kangaroo and Super Magnetic Neo. The former I remember from a Dreamcast kiosk in childhood, but it's too generic. The latter is a lot more inventive, but has incredibly punishing difficulty. I did manage to beat it, but I don't know that I can 100% it.
I also would've loved to see Croc 2 on the Dreamcast. It's graphics with 60 FPS would've rivaled SA1.
no matter how depressed and down I am, SLX videos always make me smile
Head up, eyes forward. The day is young.
i would love to collaborate on a review with you. it would be an honor, tons of fun, and educational to the Saturn/Sega fans who didnt have the priviledge of growing up w the machines
Croc had so much potential. One major issue I had back in the day with my Saturn version was a random bug that made Croc invisible, so you could only see his floating backpack, which made it near impossible to play.
But yeah, controls bring it down the most, but you can't help but keep trying because of its charm.
It is not random, it happens when you start the game without going to the cd player first.
@@summerishere2868 Ah that's right! I heard about this "fix" a long while back. Oh well, too late for Croc, but if I get the urge to go back then at least I know this trick now, cheers.
Croc also had a sequel that was planned for both the Saturn and Playstation in 1998, but the Saturn port got canceled because Sega discontinued the console. There were also Game Boy Color ports of Croc and Croc 2.
Sega never port it over the dreamcast.
I tried the demo of Croc 2 for PSX and wasn't impressed. Warping textures everywhere.
Croc 1 is my favorite.
It’s mind blowing that this came out a full year after Super Mario 64 which was light years ahead of it in terms of quality.
I loved Croc on PlayStation 1. I had the exact same issues that you did and I really tried to overlook them because the game was fun. I even ported it to my PSP and by then I realized I wasn’t wrong about the controller aspect. One simple thing keeping everything the same to help would’ve been to allow the crystals to stay on screen longer so you could pick more up after being hit. As you said, most hits weren’t our fault, it was Camera and controls so having that one simple thing would’ve made a huge difference.
Croc had, at the time:
- The “collect crystals to use as life” like Sonic rings.
- The “rescue caged Gobbos” like Rayman.
- The “backpack” , climbing, swimming, and ‘tank’ controls like Lara Croft.
- The “spin attack” like Crash.
- The “butt attack” like Gex.
- And the remnants of the story of what seemed to be a 3D Mario World 2/Yoshi’s Island sequel game.
It was as a mechanically solid game. There were just more memorable games on the market at the time.
I was a kid when PS1/N64/Saturn released, we had demo discs on the PS1, and I can remember wanting Croc so bad. Back in those days it felt the 3D worlds were endless and mysterious. I love the 90s.
The controls feel like your driving a little speedy tank
Didn’t talk about the glitch the saturn version has where if you start the game up with it already in the system, croc has no head in game
I've honestly never seen it. I've played it many times, too.
@@SegaLordX only certain ntsc copies did that.
But all pal copies had this problem afaik
The pal version shipped with a slip inside the box advising to start up the console, then put the disc in otherwise croc doesn’t render properly.
I cut my teeth on 3D platformers with an N64 controller. I can’t imagine the nightmare that controlling a game like this was on a standard Saturn or PS1 controllers without analog sticks.
The bug in the PAL version is funny, he starts out headless by default if you power up the console with the disc tray closed. Ya got to leave the disc tray open, so it goes to the settings screen, then close the disc tray and launch the game. 100% agreed with you that the camera is really working against you. The amount of time I spent trying to gauge a timed jump sequence only to fail repeatedly... got a bit annoying.
croc's port for the saturn was a gorgeous 'anomaly'. it was sooo close to the stunning ps1 version and the only game on the system that could rival mario 64.
argonaut's work was proof that the saturn could handle fully 3d environments and high res textures, when proper care was given.
Burning Rangers is graphically superior
Huge kudos to Argonaut for not skimping or half-arsing the Saturn release.
I actually like this game quite a bit, and that isn't nostalgia talking, I played it for the first time a few months ago! I've only played it on PlayStation, but I'd love to give it a go on Sega's machine as well
Y’know something.
Right when I got my Saturn for Christmas.
I’ve actually decided to get croc for Saturn.
And to be honest….I was happy qvq
That and die hard trilogy
"The music was a bit of a shocker". In UK-speak if something is a "shocker", it's terrible. So to hear that the music is actually good was a pleasant surprise.
Aww, I was hoping you'd mention the infamous "Headless Croc" glitch the Saturn version had.
You'd play the entire game with no head if you booted the game up with the disc already inside the machine.
Hello you!!!! (as you say)
Maybe you can put it in your TOP 5 MOST *CAPTIVATING* GLITCHES IN CROC: LEGEND OF THE GOBBOS!
Well that's not unsettling at all
I returned the game as a kid because I thought my copy was defective.
That glitch made me throw a saturn away many years ago… I thought the saturn broke 🤭
One of the few or the only one 3D platform for Saturn. Good game and must have if you like 3D platforms.
The most interesting aspect was that the Saturn and Playstation were technically actually able for games like Mario 64. Problem was the controls as mentioned in the video. It wasn't terrible but compared to the Nintendo solution it just felt outdated.
Since this game was pretty strong in the genre for the 32 bit version it shows how far ahead nintendo was in the department of 3D jump n runs.
It looks like one of the reasons the Nintendo 64 was released later than Saturn and PSX was because they realized the problems of 3D platforms and spent months polishing Mario 64 to solve them.
Saturn and Playstation were never going to able to run Mario 64, don't be silly. Not with levels as large, with so much visibility and at that speed.
Croc was one of those games that was hampered by the consoles it was on. I bought it for the Saturn back in the day for many of the same reasons highlighted in the video, it was an impressive looking title on the Saturn proving it had 3D chops. If you played this game after Tomb Raider you would likely be fine with the controls, It's after playing Mario 64 that the consoles limitations come through. The N64 from day one came with an analog controller, and as such all of the games take advantage of it. The Saturn and the PSX/PS1 had standard digital pads and had to make do with that control scheme.
I wonder what a sequel to this game would have looked/played like on the Dreamcast. I imagine something like Fur Fighters in look and feel, even though going back to play that game on DC is similar in respects, now we are use to Dual analog sticks on our gamepads, back then we somehow made it through that game with one analog stick and digital controls...
Well, here's a question. Considering the fact that this is a 3D platformer, and that the Nintendo 64 was specifically made for 3D games, why the heck wasn't this game released on the N64? Think about it. We could have had a 3rd party 3D platformer on all three 5th generation consoles at the time, but they didn't do that for some reason. It's weird to think that even though most games from that era were guaranteed a Playstation release, developers still had to choose between the N64 and Saturn.
I really wish this game would get an enhanced port- keeping that low-poly charm and visual style- with a better camera and more responsive controls.
Emulate the PS1 version with Duckstation. That's the best way to play it now, you can enhance the resolution and remove texture warping
@@RobGMun
Honestly, I think a game like this has no chance of getting re-released anyway. It's just one countless platformers released at that time there were okay at best but have aged very poorly in one way or the other. I said in another comment and I think MLX said it himself Mario 64 came out before this game did and definitely outshines it in almost every way. This game was decent back in its day but it definitely does not hold up especially with tank controls and a terrible camera
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu that’s why OP asked for a port with enhanced controls and camera, lol.
@@Golemoid
I get it. It's just I think it's highly unlikely as in extremely highly unlikely.
But Heck if we're making impossible wish lists I've got a few hundred to add. I mean this is an obscure game from a period of time people prefer to forget it's from Fox interactive who no longer exist and have been absorbed into Disney. The chance of anything around this actually happening is like so impossibly small it's not even worth really debating it.
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Yeah I kind of forgot that one little detail (about Argonaut no longer existing) but it's kind of like the cherry on a disappointment sundae.
Honestly just way too tied up into things to have it worth it. I'm not saying there's no interest that would be a lie but what I am saying is there's enough interest for it to be successful like a Spyro or one of those games.
I remember playing the original on PC as a kid and having a blast. Sound design and graphics were incredible. I also had issues with the controls and camera. I remember having a tough time with one of the levels near the very end where it's dark and there are those hard to land platforms, where if you land on its edge you're basically dead.
I eventually finished it and the secret final boss, and it was enjoyable. I also remember reading on the back of the instruction booklet that Croc II was coming. I made sure to get it when I was a bit older on PS1 and having a way easier time with that title, though something made me appreciate the original more.
I wish this series gets a remake and even sequels one day. Here's hoping...
Its amazing this started as a Yoshi game!
Croc sounds kind of Mario-ish.
It's one of those games that seems surprising when you hear that detail but then you go ,what actually I see it now.
I see way less texture warping here than in PSX games. This looks top-notch for a Saturn game, nothing like its Tomb Raider vs the PSX version.
I use to love this and it's sequal game. You have brought back some memories good sir.
Your review makes me want to add this to my collection after I have my Saturn refurbished. I still highly recommend Super Tempo. I know you didn't love Tempo for the 32X, but Super Tempo on the Saturn is a lot better--especially if you have a turbo controller. I do think it's way too expensive nowadays, but I find it to be my favorite platformer on the Saturn. The only downfall might be the language barrier as some light Japanese is necessary for at least one level of the game. It would really benefit from a fan translation. It's pretty funny, and my Japanese is far from fluency. I still found it highly enjoyable. Tight controls. Good graphics and music. Short, but the collectables and the multiple endings give it decent replayability.
I always appreciated the game CROC back in the day but I also agree with everything ‘ol Sega Lord X is saying here. Despite MARIO 64 was an excellent game that set the standard, a lot of other polygon games of that era were just rough around the edges. Another game from that era that I enjoyed a bit was 40 WINKS on the PS1. If I remember correctly it played much more smoothly than CROC did.
Ah Croc, everyone's favorite Scrimblo Mc Blimbo
Get the pc release.
paired with a ms sidewinder controller and a voodoo or equal card.
Runs smooth with no slowdown and arguably looks better too.
And the sidewinder support is great.
okay. But would it run on Windows 10/11?
Beetle PSX or DuckStation with PGXP and abilty to run at a smooth framerate are good too.
This even works S3 Virge grapics.
No lie... I got this game in 97' and I absolutely loved it! It's not the best bit I didn't have any complaints back in 1997
I can vouch that SegaLX didn't hate Croc because he didn't call it a hunk of crap lol awesome video man!
Very fair review. Games like "Mario 64" and "Banjo Kazooie" were all the rage back then, and I was very grateful to have Croc as a way to have something comparable on the Saturn. However, although I never thought of it in these terms before, your review helped me realize that it was actually like if "Banjo Kazooie" had "Resident Evil 1" tank controls. "Croc" tended to keep things not too fast or hectic to give players a fighting chance under those circumstances, which I appreciated, but it still made many of the later levels exercises in frustration because the controls were so stiff and clunky for a game that relied on precision jumps. It was a product of its time, and that sadly includes being a byproduct of its era's then-halfway-unresolved learning curves with 3D gaming. Still a game I have good memories of, though, and that I like to this day. Just plan on going into it as a precision platformer, and you can still have a decent time with it.
I have that game on the Saturn. My chief gripe is... tank controls!
Yeah I'd love it if not for tank controls, I hate tank controls.
They fixed it for the sequel
@@SuperNintendoMii I'll have to check out the sequel if it has normal controls, I liked everything but the controls.
@@PaperBanjo64 Go in with low expectations and maybe you'll enjoy it. It's clear that the developers had no idea what created the distinctly gloomy and foreboding atmosphere of the first game.
It controls SO much better with the Nights controller. Try it if you can find one.
I was 7-10 during my original time with a Saturn. Croc was the last game I got for my Saturn before I made the switch to PlayStation! I did rent Steep Slope Sliders at one point during my last few months before making the switch, but that was pretty much that. I didn't mind the tank controls, I just accepted it as how Resident Evil is played. Maybe they were fine for that game but you'd expect something less restricting for a game like Croc, but getting past that, I still had fun with this game! With not much else coming to the Saturn around this time, and liking character platformers anyway, I just HAD TO go for Croc! I really must re-add this to my collection sometime. I noticed one tune from this version isn't in the PlayStation version (which one of my brother's friends had)! I still consider it to be a tragedy Sega took the wrong approach to entering the 32 bit era. They should've taken more time to fine tune their console to ensure it performs well, is easy to develop for and think about the consequences of making certain moves before making them! The 32X was just a bad turn that paved the way for worse to come! Going back to Croc, it really should be on Evercade. The first Croc cart could feature the first PSone game and both Game Boy Color releases, the 2nd cart could have the 2nd PSone title and all 3 mobile installments!
Considering its faults, playing this game with the 3D Saturn controller was really awesome. Love it.
Yeah, I really loved it with the Nights controller. It didn't feel like tank controls, but you could use tank controls in tight situations.
Like you mentioned not many 3D action-adventure games, another game similar to Croc but more simpler is the import Ninpen Manmaru worth playing if just for the genre alone. Has a similar control scheme + early 3D action-adventure engine, but Saturn pulled it off fairly well. The color pallet reminds me of the 3D world of Sonic Jam of what could have been.
That title could arguably pass for a sonic
Fun fact about argonaut, they literally made a true 3d (albeit wire frame) flying game for the original Game Boy.
They were expert programmers (hence the 3d Saturn croc), and that game boy demo actually convinced nintendo to hire them to make the 3DFX chip and 3d flier Starfox for the SNES.
I absolutely love this game. I play it once every two years for my mental health, I need to save the child in me. Never played the Saturn version though, the system and its games were ridiculously expensive in my country, so we all went with the PS1 and sometimes just pirated games for free.
This game brings a lot of nostalgia. I remember the PC version was installed on this computer that was shared at an after-school program I went to. I played it years later and it probably would have been better as a memory, because God damn, I forgot it had tank controls, and I hate tank controls with a passion.
Yeah it definitely is one of those games that was okay at the time and has aged like milk in a hot car.
The controls and camera really kill it for most people. Much like going back to the old tomb raider games or even the old resident evil games unless you have nostalgia for it you won't enjoy it probably at all.
This engine is very strong, especially for the time. It's too bad Saturn lost so much steam. Woulda been nice to see this engine in action again.
My parents got this game for my sister and it cracked as we pulled it out of the case. I never got to play it and always wondered what it was like. It looks great! Especially for Saturn. A good 3D platformer was pretty rare
Believe it or not, this was my Mario 64 back then, I know, but still, this game was great and I had lots of fun with it.
The tank controls never bothered me, it was pretty common at that time, Resident Evil and Tomb Raider, games we played to death and I was totally used to it. In Croc, you can use L and R to make sharper turns while running and even use it in midair for finer tuning. I remember the camera allow three positions, for platforming, there's a higher one. 3D platformers aren't perfect, even today, when I play Mario 64, there are times where the camera won't help and even his movements can get in the way, if you try to make quick turns, etc. Croc isn't as acrobatic not as agile, it's a more limited and confined game. Jajamaru Kun on the Saturn is a similar game with similar issues, platforming is bad there, but it's a fun action game, I was so used to the Saturn version, when I tried the PS1 on an emulator, the controls are a mess, I believe the Saturn is something like an updated version, because it has the Gold label on the title.
I’ve never played the Saturn version of Croc, but I did play the PC version and loved it, I have a soft spot for this game, and liked the 2nd one on PSX.
The problems you had on the controls are true of all versions, i played this on the PC and the controls were just as difficult in the same way you described.
I've always known it as that one game promoted on the Home Alone 3 VHS. It seemed okay from what I've seen. I should give it a chance sometime. Other than that, great review!
Your assessments are spot on, I felt the same about this game. Lovely game design but the controls kept it down.
I'm gonna have that theme song stuck in my head for hours now
Croc was 1 of my first PlayStation games.I still have some nostalgia for this game,But like you sayed the Camera give’s you a hard time regularly.Another game on PlayStation that had also this problem was “Kingsley’s adventure”.Croc 2 improved on a lot ,But after watching your video I might give the original “Croc”another try.
It's like they submitted a completed Yoshi game to Nintendo, then hurriedly redesigned all of the characters. A crocodile for Yoshi, a demon for Bowser, worms in pipes for piranha plants, etc. The pound-the-ground and hanging from an overhead wire animations are near identical to Mario doing the same in Super Mario 64.
Wow, memories. I loved this game. As young as I was, I did struggle with the controls but I also had a Dreamcast system. I was able to adjust. I struggle with PC games but consoles are easy to adapt.
I still have my PAL Saturn copy where Croc is missing its head. Back then i thought this was a general bug of the Saturn version until i later read about this being actually a faulty copy that was replaced with a working one without this bug. However it is still possible to play this copy normally if you start the game from the CD player mode of the Saturn. Still love this game so much because of the cute design & sound FX.
Never played Croc, all I remember about it is that it was heavily advertized in gaming magazines back then.
Got this for my birthday this year. Always wanted it as a kid, but for some reason never asked for it. My partner got me a damn near perfect PAL copy for a super low price, and after a 24 year wait, I'm not disappointed at all.
This and V Rally where my first PS1 game. Croc was and is amazing, didn't know was on the Saturn.
You really undersold just how bad Nintendo screwed over argonaut.
According to interviews, Nintendo took a ton of their work to create Mario 64, without giving them any credit or anything.
Croc started as the little bits that they could wrestle from nintendo copyright bs.
Hence the release on playstation and Saturn.
Croc is like a Mario 64 pre-alpha demo was turned into its own game.
Yeah I think that was an oversight on his part, development for this game began in 1994 before Nintendo even began working on Super Mario 64.
Wouldn't be the first time Nintendo screwed Argonaut over, but it was the last straw.
I used to go LARPing with one of the Argonaut guys. He was lead on Kuju (Battalion Wars) by then. Made crazy Weta Workshop style inventions in his spare time. Gave me fantastic dating advice. Good chap.
I had no idea this was even on the Saturn. Grew up with the PS1 version. Excellent video
I remember getting this on pc when I was a kid back in the day. Have fond memories of it.
I first met this game on psx, and witha dual shock its controls are quite good. When I saw it for Saturn I thought it could be hard on saturns joystick
Croc 1 was a 1997 game, was it compatible with the Dualshock despite being such an early release? Widespread Dualshock compatibility from games didn’t start until 1998!
Croc was amazing. It was basically Banjo Kazooie before Banjo Kazooie.
I had no idea that Croc was supposed to be a Yoshi game. Great video.
I saw Croc (PS1 version) on a store shelf once and thought about buying it, but I bought Colony Wars: Vengeance instead.
If you expect all platformers to be super Mario 64 you’ve already failed the test. Croc ROCS.
The first video game I EVER played, yes, the Saturn version!!
Played it recently and it has that old school charm, definitely some frustrating elements but. A very impressive port. Didnt know the PS version existed til wayyy later.
I was playing it recently, still need to finish it. It's definately not a bad game and probably one of the better looking 3d games on the console.
Congrats on 100k SLX
Watching this while at work
lol. Love the vids SegaLord.
Good grief! Never knew this one was available for the Saturn, I thought it was ps exclusive
This game needs a modern remaster/remake similar to the recent Crash/Spyro remakes
It does, but sadly neither Fox Interactive nor Argonaut are a thing anymore. I have no idea who even owns it.
This game kind of reminds me of a mix between Bubsy 3D and Mario 64. It looks decent. Great video, SLX.
I kinda liked Croc. It was cute and simple to play. It reminded me of Sonic World in Sonic Jam, just more claustrophobic.
I had never seen the Saturn version though, just the Playstation one. Both versions look pretty close based on this video review.
The Saturn had very few 3D platform games compared to the PS1 (and especially N64) it's good that one of the few is a game as fun as Croc.
I like Croc (1&2), I have the game on the Playstation and think it's still quite playable today but I completely agree about the bad controls and camera.
Yes you did it! Thank you for answering my wish! All the best. Will
This was one of my most anticipated games for Saturn back in the day hoping against hope it would match Mario 64. Ultimately I knew the control had nowhere near the finesse of Mario, but I remember playing the hell out of it nonetheless.
Yep, I remember it being hyped to the moon. But boy, did it suck.
Definitely a fair review, as usual. I would say to people with an interest in trying Croc, play the Playstation version. I had Croc for the Saturn when it was new, and I didn't like it because the camera is too zoomed in at all times. This leads to more camera issues and makes the jumps and climbing much harder. The Playstation version has the camera further away from the character. It plays a lot better as a result.
I don't remember why, but I got the urge to try Croc again back in early 2019. I was also curious to see if my opinion would change from back in 1998, as I was disappointed in the Saturn version. I decided to try the PS1 version after hearing it was better. And the way Croc played, complete with stiff tank controls and being playable with digital controls, was exactly what I was in the mood for at the time. I also liked the small sections of the levels. It's definitely not a game for everyone, and it has issues, but it can be a good time for those who know what they're getting into. For me, it was a pleasant surprise to finally get some value out of a game, albeit a different version, that I could not enjoy back when it was new.
PlayStation version also had a colored lighting. Croc got a reddish tint when near lava for example.
Crock The Legend Of Gobbos Is Also On Sony PlayStation (1997).
Croc is definitely on my "games I think are underrated" list, especially these days. People trash it for the tank controls but the game is still perfectly playable despite that. The stages are designed with the tank controls in mind and never asks the impossible from you. There's also a button that lets you do a quick 180 degree turn, even while running.
That being said, the PS1 version is probably the version to get. There's less slowdown and it's a lot cheaper (as is the case with most PS1 games).
It's a bit surprising that Argonaut never considered making a Sega port of Croc 2. No Saturn, not even for Dreamcast.
I think by the time Croc 2 was being developed, the Saturn was already dead and the Dreamcast was on its way out as well. The Playstation was still the strongest-selling system in the late 90's so it made sense not to waste development time on the failing Sega console market. It is still a shame, though.
They were making it for Dreamcast before the publisher pulled the plug. Can't imagine they were happy. There's probably a playable version of it out there now, like that castlevania disk which mysteriously appeared with 1999 code
Anyone has been watching Cadicarus' reviews will know this soundtrack.
This game is frustrating as hell. It’s a great game though. This was the first game that I used RGB via Scart to component and man, those colors really pop out of the screen.
Nah is not that frustrating at all. I completed the game 100% when i was a kid and i still can do it. Control makes things hard sometimes but it's an easy game overall
the character is soo cute. liked this game on playstation when i was a kid but i do admit sometimes it had some movement problems but I do still say its a cute and fun adventure to at least run through. wish i got to experience the second game in the franchise
I loved playing croc when I was younger on my PS1. I used to play it alot but this is definitely a good game and I recommend it. I never played it on the sega saturn though but this video bring's back alot of memories for me. I never really played the sequel croc 2. I rented it once and played it a day or 2 but i don't really remember it.
I have a lot of nostalgia for it and the presentation is great. The control is definitely clunky, so I feel your pain there
An indifferent review to say the least, I was 12 when Croc came out so it was at the right age to play it. I'll admit the controls haven't aged well at all, still it's one of my go to saturn games when I'm in a platforming mood.
What a 'croc' the controls and camera are.
I'll get my coat.
I clapped
Yes! I had Croc and thought it was a great game. The graphics haven't aged well but you got a lot of game for the money at the time.