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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- This week’s episode of Popcast (Deluxe), the weekly culture
roundup show on TH-cam hosted by Jon Caramanica and Joe
Coscarelli, includes segments on:
00:00 Introduction
01:30 Rap music’s generational divide, touching on André
3000’s comments about what older rappers might rap about,
and how the stars of the 2000s and 2010s like Lil Wayne, Gucci
Mane and Rick Ross are still releasing albums into their 40s
22:40 The stagnation on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs
chart and streaming platform hip-hop playlists, as seen in the
ongoing prevalence of songs by Drake, Rod Wave, Travis Scott and others
30:35 Potential breakthrough songs by Sexyy Red, 310babii, and
others, plus TikTok-driven hits by Lil Mabu and JID
44:55 Travis Scott, Playboi Carti and Yeat setting the table for
the noisy, new rap underground
56:30 New songs from Nettspend and Karrahbooo
01:01:42 Snack of the week
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I never thought i'd say this, but I wake up every Wednesday excited to spend my morning with two middle aged white men
Is Joe "middle-aged"??
I thought he was 35? 😮
@@xlovexactuallyx if one is married with a kid I will consider them middle aged, I don't make the rules hahaha
With a diet of Cheetos and 4 Loko he is for sure @@xlovexactuallyx
average life expectancy of men in the US is 73, so yea 35 is nearly middle aged ^^ (sorry Joe) @@xlovexactuallyx
Honestly I'm just excited to be the first person who comments. I have been praying to the content gods to get Popcast onto youtube since I started listening!
i do feel like joes argument is also predicated on the idea that music that is relevant and vital pushes the culture forward but that only works as a way of looking at music if you believe popular culture is a thing that exists and not a fake idea that the internet abolished 16 years ago
I’m going to assume Joe is talking primarily about pop oriented music genres when he says no musician’s late work is better than their early work, and with that statement I mostly agree(depending on how we define “late”), but jazz musicians consistently put out their best music later in life. Monk, Davis, and Ellington all put out some of their best work in their forties and beyond.
tyler the creators later career work is easily better than most of the stuff he did in his youth i feel like there are so many musicians who mature into their sounds all the time. i mean Lana Del Rey another example. also another example Beyoncé maybe not way better than her older stuff but certainly just as relevant and current, these are all artists a decade in their career and in Beyoncé's case 2 who are still making exciting music
There’s more overlap in those underground noise fans and woods / Armand hammer than yall let on
Fiona Apple!! Fetch the Bolt Cutters? Cmon Joe cant argue with that one
Interesting podcast, good discussion and vibe.. I subbed
I'd argue that Everything But The Girl are an example of their later work in the mid 90s eclipsing their early 80s offerings in artistry and popularity. The triad of Amplified Heart, Walking Wounded, Temperamental albums, specifically. Walking Wounded was their biggest selling album and that came out 14 years after their first single.
Caramonica talkin abt jaydes is so great
Digging the podcast guys! Would love to have you on The Game Junction Podcast to talk music and pop culture
JID Surround Sound went platinum before the challenge so it did stick around
Really enjoyed this conversation!!! I agree that work an artist makes as they age is influenced by their relationship to celebrity-role demands (thinking about earlier Taylor Swift conversation about new inspiration, meaningful material, when the stories in which you participate are predetermined by image upkeep, lack of anonymity, and celebrity circles themselves). I feel like RICO and Takeoff both loom a little bit over this topic, as well as giants who passed before they could become elders and examples, making that relationship especially weighty for rappers. W/ so many more ways to be famous now, and so many ways that the public can access a famous person, interested to see how much of "choosing" a celebrity lane is up to the artist and how much depends on the chord that their music/persona strikes culturally.
Ka aka Brownsville Ka, makes some of my favorite rap in his 50s
I feel like Joe’s aging rapper argument would have held ten years ago but I feel like we finally have. It’s also funny to hear so much hanging on Andre’s interviews when he clearly has some things to rap about - his features on Michael, James Blake’s Assume Form, Paak’s Ventura, and Life of the Party prove he has something to say. So many examples of aging hip hop still shaping the culture. Thanks for highlighting Michael, AOTY contender, but the stronger argument is Run The Jewels projects launched when El-P and Mike were 38 years old, with RTJ4 when they were both 45. If that’s not innovation in hip hop I don’t know what is. I appreciate the conversation abt Collegrove 2, but from everything I hear 2 Chainz coming album is ‘his reasonable doubt’ (quote by statik selectah) so I don’t think we’re done seeing another level at his ripe age. The Griselda mention is worthy here but could have been developed further - we should be uplifting the fact that Westside Gunn pushes boundaries and the ‘art’ within rap every album he puts out at 41 years old. I also think, while J Cole is only in his mid thirties, he has been exemplary of ‘mature’ hip hop for the last few years, with some of the hardest hitting verses lately on his features and the off season. Stormzy last two albums, etc, Finally, I see mature rappers putting out quality works even in the trap and slab lanes - while they don’t get the same attention as their older catalogues, I would argue that Jeezy’s last two albums, Yo Gotti’s Free Game Album, Slim Thug’s latest works are some of the best quality those artists have put out since the 2000s.
On the new wave of hip hop, I don’t think hip-hops standing on billboard is any indication of hip-hops power in this new generation. The rise of an indie scene and regional scenes is shaping a whole new level of innovation and creativity that will continue to bubble into higher and higher quality in the coming years. The Dreamville/Spillage Village and whole Atlanta scene is doing some of the most interesting work out there. Griselda’ emergence of an entire new generation of grimy boom bap is dope. The rising Texas scene (BigX, MexicanOT, etc) is revolutionizing Houston music. CMG in Memphis, a deep Detroit scene, the list goes on. Having a real underground sub-genres is shaping culture in ways that ‘chart hits’ will never capture.
Also I think hip-hop is so influential in fusion genres, crossing genres only shows how powerful the genre remains. Trap production is everywhere in R&B, new emo, new punk. Yeat and Carti’s popularity while staying anti-pop. Denzel and Kenny Mason’s ability to infuse metal and hip-hop better than any other generation. The premise of hip-hop impact based on pop charts is just the wrong way to look at the cultures revolution and staying power
Lupe been rapping over Andre flutes since it dropped
Enjoyed the discussion about the state of rap music, some good points made. Things definitely are very splintered and it does feel like there aren't monocultural rap stars these days. As someone who grew up with Drake, Kendrick, Wayne, J Cole, Kanye, etc., it doesn't feel like they make those types of guys anymore. Who was the last rapper to really break through at that level? Seems like the ones who were tabbed as potential stars have kind of diverted onto different paths now - Yachty, Uzi, Kodak, etc. haven't really ascended to that next level of sustained mainstream stardom. 21, Travis, Cardi, Megan are maybe the closest in the last several years, but as mentioned they don't seem to have the same kind of longevity as rappers of earlier generations. I hate to admit it but is Jack Harlow one of the more promising examples we have of a lasting mainstream rap star these days? Maybe I'm forgetting some people but the state of mainstream rap feels a bit lacking these days, despite all the variety in the "underground" sects that continues to thrive.
sustained mainstream stardom requires a monoculture , something we really don't have anymore
damn hip hop is only 50 years old , how can you know how a genre really ages when its still so young? its in a transition period and yea if the rest of the rap gods go the way of 3000 then they will be choosing to keep it a "young persons" game but i think that is yet to be written
Nice haircut, John! ❤
I think that was Vacation Jon that we were seeing. Office Jon is now officially back in the building.
@@SADDESTNIGHTOUTlove to see it!
Nas been on a run as a 50 year old, if the raps and the overall projects are good then im willing to listen no matter how old
Im only through the first segment of the video so far, so maybe they are mentioned later. But I think one of the better examples of "grown man rap" is Phonte, of Little Brother. In his early 40's but still rapping about stuff that is more than excuses to dabble in wordplay (although thats there too!). as an early 30's hip hop head i still find his work interesting, but then again im sure im a heavy outlier amongst my age group.
Also jon reading out the ages of my favorite rappers in high school was a really depressing reminder of the passage of time in my life So...thanks? 😂
Ok I just finished the episode. Listened to that nettspend snippet and Ive never felt more washed
"Solutions for middle-aged rap fans" :D
Tina Turner is an example of a later stage of an artist’s career being significantly better than the initial phase.
err... Radiohead, Atahualpa Yupanqui, Vybz Kartel
why does every musician have to make albums which are "better" than their last? why is perpetual growth the metric? there is a difference between making a good or bad album but the only question shouldn't be "well is it better than the last?"
a mjor sign of decline is live music in hiphop is dead. Like completely dead. Other than Drake, ofcourse. Travis Scott tickets are going for basically free. Post Malone seems like he's completely abandoned hiphop. Who else is even doing any numbers performing?
But when *are* you going to talk about billy woods??
Its amazing. The definition of White mansplannin' 😂
They couldn't find any POC to talk to about hip hop? Really?
first time listener 👋🏾 here from 𝕏
0:04 are you speaking english
I was pretty sure I was having a mini-stroke while hearing that introduction.