Spartan training was tough, but not more intense than that of professional Roman gladiators, who we recently covered in a full video here: th-cam.com/video/Wmat8xK9raM/w-d-xo.html
Obviously you can go too far with this sort of thing. But I think having a physically fit, active population who spend time outdoors can only be a net positive.
@@jonbaxter2254 Not exactly.Not all peoples are the same when it came to fitness.Yes,having more opportunities to do sports is good but not to force the people to do it.And to much sport has an impact on our bodies.
Even the mothers of Spartan warriors were extremely hard on their sons. When they were going to battle the mothers giving them their shields saying 'η ταν η επι τας' meaning 'return carrying it or on it' in other words return victorious or dead.
Eh, you sound as fishy as the 300 film. Ive read some myself, and thou some are exaggerated, they are trained more than the other greek city states. They are a militaristic state and lots of books are proof to that. Saying that they are just as same as any other is as bullshit as the 300's persian army made of monsters.
Well, 3000 years later we're still talking about them and holding the Spartans up as examples of the perfect citizen soldiers so I would have to say they were fairly successful.
They were one of the finest army's in the world but it was unfortunately this method that was there undoing but many of these methods could do well to be taught today
I hold strongly mixed opinions about having a societal pressure that encourages death before dishonor. It's possible that they lost their brightest minds because they either lacked combat talent, or otherwise fled a doomed situation. On the other hand, without some extent of this pressure, their armies could rout after only very light casualties
Well we are still talking about a lot of cultures that had some pretty batshit ideas. I think their ideas were also the reason they could never expand. Because they could never controll other societies that didnt grow up with these norms and would have rebeled if they tried to force them. Another aspect about their norms that seems highly contradictive is the cooperation and combativness part. By ensuring that "being the best" is seem as having the highest, or maybe only, prestige, you hinder any development for support roles. Imagine a soccer team where everyone want to be the star striker all the time. That team would have a hard time against a team where everybody plays his role that best fits him. I would also argue that trying to teach your children to always obey the law and respect the societs order while demanding of them to be able to steal without getting caught to get enough food to achieve the growth they need is highly contradictional.
The Spartans created the worlds first special forces. Their tactics are still used today by sf all over the world. Things like "never quit" and "cheat but don't get caught "
I'ts sad that we embrace national-socialism instead of Republicanism. Legends like Epaminondas of Thebes are forgotten today. The man who crushed the Spartan army at the battle of Leuktra and the next year marched an army into the Peloponeese, built Megalopolis, went to the enslaved lands of Messenia and freed *250.000 helots* from Spartan yoke creating the famous Helot Stronghold of Messenia. The famous Cicero called Epaminondas the Liberator one of the Greatest men Greece has ever produced.@@IA100KPDT
Philip of Macedon received military and diplomatic education from Epaminondas in Thebes. The famous Sarissa Phalanx of Macedon was inspired by the Theban Phallanx which was reformed by Epaminondas.@@CSA-wh5qp
@@IA100KPDT tactics bro TACTICS!!!!!!! like this The Spartans, known for their military prowess and discipline, employed several tactics and strategies that have had a lasting impact on modern military thinking and are still used today. Here are some of the Spartan tactics and principles that continue to be relevant: Discipline and Training: Spartan soldiers were renowned for their rigorous training from a young age. This emphasis on discipline and physical fitness is still a cornerstone of modern military training. Phalanx Formation: The Spartans perfected the use of the phalanx, a tight formation of heavily armed soldiers with shields and long spears. This formation maximized the defensive and offensive capabilities of infantry. The concept of forming a cohesive line of soldiers with shields and spears influenced later infantry formations, such as the Roman legion. Military Drills: Spartan soldiers practiced a wide range of drills to build muscle memory and coordination. This practice is still prevalent in modern military training, where soldiers rehearse movements and procedures repeatedly. Decisive Battles: The Spartans were known for seeking decisive battles on favorable terms rather than engaging in protracted conflicts. Modern military strategy often seeks to achieve victory through decisive battles or operations, minimizing the duration of the conflict. Terrain Utilization: Spartans were masters at using the natural terrain to their advantage. Today's military forces still employ this principle to gain a tactical advantage on the battlefield. Psychological Warfare: Spartans understood the importance of instilling fear and confidence in their enemies. Psychological warfare, such as the use of intimidating appearances and tactics, is still a strategy used in modern warfare. Logistics and Supply Lines: The Spartan military understood the importance of maintaining supply lines and logistics. This concept remains crucial for modern military operations to keep troops well-equipped and supported. Agoge System: The Agoge was the Spartan education and training system for young boys. While modern militaries may not employ identical methods, they recognize the importance of early training and education for building capable soldiers. Leadership and Command Structure: Spartan military leaders were expected to lead by example and make strategic decisions. This leadership principle is still integral in modern military organizations. Standardized Equipment: Spartans used standardized equipment for their soldiers, ensuring uniformity and ease of maintenance. Modern militaries also emphasize the importance of standardized equipment for logistics and operational efficiency. While many aspects of modern warfare have evolved significantly since the time of the Spartans, the principles and tactics they employed have had a lasting impact on military strategy and continue to be relevant in the training and operation of military forces today.
@@IA100KPDT Where did you see their chest exposed?? Hoplites fought behind a protective shield wall and attacked their enemies with long spears, keeping them at bay. Read some hisotry junior
Sparta is interesting because it's one of the few societies that pooled all of its efforts into the development of its military. As a result, the physical remains of Sparta are rubble, compared to other ancient cultures with monuments and buildings still standing today
Very true! They also didn’t produce enough philosophers, historians and other academic minds to ensure any legacy. Even this video was based only on the writings of non Spartan sources because that’s all we have. So all the fascinating intricacies of their culture and lifestyle are lost to time!
Feet strengthening is only something we've found out recently due to having running shoes destroying the muscles in our feet giving us back and hip pain. This man figured that out centuries ago, and today some people still think barefoot strength is a quack science. He also figured out dancing for fighting. Some of the best strikers we have in the world today, Lomachenko and Adesanya both grew up doing traditional and hip-hop dancing respectively. This man figured out that dancing is great for fighting and body co-ordination years ago. This man also figured out being lean over being too muscular for fighting/war is more ideal. This is a concept that some people still struggle with today, thinking that the big bodybuilder is going to win an MMA fight to the more technical smaller guy. This man figured out fasting (maybe it was already commonplace in those days idk) but at least implemented it for reasons. Which is impressive compared to modern day society with their fast food all in your face. This man figured out the Wim Hof method centuries before Wim Hof was born. This man expertly implemented competition and brotherhood which has been known to raise testosterone basically making the men even stronger. He even implemented no-nut (until marriage) lmao. Thanks OP what an impressive amount of research you've done and thanks for introducing me to this man.
@Myzi Ynkawao LSBEIS I don’t believe you could say “far” better. He is regarded as one of the best for a reason. Having 2 losses total in his entire UFC career doesn’t remove his talent and ability. Especially when considering the fight against one of the men you directly compared him to was 5 rounds in with 2 minutes left before his knockout, where he was performing exceptionally.
@Myzi Ynkawao LSBEIS why would I put in Alex Pereira if he doesn't dance you retard? I know you seethe over Izzy you don't have to like him but his striking is one of if not the most technical in the game right now.. YES Alex has his number but that's because he's a fucking a beast. Learn to comprehend dumbass.
He forgot the most important fact. Every boy was assigned a mentor, whom he was forced to have sexual intercourse with. The idea was that through their bond, their ambition to fight was better. Spartans were a bunch of pedos, where the wealthy families across whole Europe sent their children to become men, it was a symbol of status.
the whole inhuman system sounds as if it produces monsters, which probably isn't too far fetched as the primary purpose was warfare. pity it took far too long for Sparta to crumble under this apartheid system if they managed to be top dog for 150yrs
Imagine if Sparta used their training style to make architects, scientists etc. Imagine having the most disciplined population and using that to advance in every field. Strong men and women build strong communities, which builds strong cities and builds strong nations.
They did in athenian ( know known as athens) they focus in education and lecture , that's why Greece Brough so much in medicine , mathematics and more . Athens was known for the wisdom , education, art and more , sparta for the advance military skills and power , even was a small town/country
Problem with that is: Too much disciplin is not good for science. Because science lives from new ideas, which are hard to develop if you have to fit into a system constantly. Of course some discipline is needed to conduct experiments and apply them systematically, but using the same system as for the warriors wont work well.
“Feel no fear before the multitude of men, do not run in panic, but let each man bear his shield straight towards the forefighters. Regarding his own life as hateful and holding the dark spirits of death as dear as the radiance of the Sun.” -Tyrtaeus
Everyone focusing on physical snd military aspects.. it was more then that. It was about humility, mental strength, being happy and grateful in hard times, learning to find away, building drive for success, respect, earning what they have, being apart of a larger picture. Etc etc. Building strong character, minds and beliefs. That makes a successful society.
The Templar Knights adopted some Spartan methods. Like harsh discipline, abstaining from nearly all pursuits of pleasure, rigorous physical training, and the commitment to never retreat in battle.
the problem with knights templar is that they were made solely for political and religious gains, whereas spartan warriors are made to strengthen their individual morality and also strengthen the entire society as a whole.
@@roaringcat14 "spartan warriors are made to strengthen their individual morality"? is English your first language? doesn't quite make sense. I would also argue warrior monks who have devoted their lives to forsaking earthly pleasure (wine, women etc.) were also pretty morally strong, whereas Spartans were even encouraged to steal & kill. Yes, Spartans did strengthen society, but as a whole?? idk. they sort of left out/skipped a lot of science, architecture, literature & philosophy compared to other Greek states & Templars.
Leonidas is the most famous Spartan for what he did at Thermopylae, but there are other kings too that made Sparta great. Agis I and Pausanias are also great. Check out what they did.😉
Got raped and continued raping young boys while living off the wealth generated by the more numerous enslaved Helot. I swear every boy thinks that in history they would be the Warrior and not the slave. They have a house in 2023 and think they're like a Jeffersonian small landowner and not a dude paying rent to a bank.
I have read that the agoge essentially had the seed of it's own failure built in. It required the men to provide their own arms and armour which was expensive. When they couldn't do it they lost their voting rights and dropped out of the system. As this happened more and more, wealth moving to the top, the pool of eligible warriors dropped and their army decreased. I may have misremembered the exact details but that's the gist.
Spartan women took the money through the law and never relinquished their legendary wealth.. that's why government was so bad. Women were a hyper majority for a minor reason, to ensure offspring. Except they were too good for that...
@@hackersulamaster Women were a majority because Sparta, was almost constantly at war, and replacing men isn't a quick process. Women were wealthy and better educated due to them being the only ones who could own and inherit land. The Spartan men's focus was on warfare.
This video not only highlights the unique aspects of Spartan culture but also provides valuable insights into the principles of discipline, sacrifice, and resilience that are still relevant today.
I have a key chain of the aspis shield that reminds me whenever I am going through something tough, that the Spartans had it even harder and still came out on top.
Your channel is incredible. The research you/your team do for these videos is outstanding. Really inspiring to an adolescent botany nerd like me, and makes me realize how far and elusive certain things are.
This was a competent summary, although it neglected most of Spartan society - food production, trade, the lives of women, merchants, slaves. .. But all you need to do to know all of this and much, much more is READ A BOOK ON IT.
He forgets the most important fact. Every boy was assigned a mentor, whom he was forced to have sexual intercourse with. The idea was that through their bond, their ambition to fight was better. Spartans were a bunch of pedos, where the wealthy families across whole Europe sent their children to become men, it was a symbol of status.
Hmm, you left out the fact that over those 150+ years the Spartan birth rate collapsed and instead of fielding their usual 10,000+ army they could barley raise 1,000 at the end.
@@blugaledoh2669 During the 2nd war with Persia the Spartans sent over 10k Hoplites (half Spartan full citizens) to the battle of Plataea. By the time they face Thebes at Leuctra they could field on 6k of Hoplites and only 1k of these where Spartan citizens. The Spartan population's birthrate had collapsed. Q: was it the Spartan system that did this?
@@davidmouser596 wrong not birth rate {although that was a factor} it was the cost consolidation of land into hands of few Sparties. Which meant less Sparties able to financially afford there citizenship
@@Jan.jan2024 you had to contribute to your local syssitia {mess}. by food. And if you can't your citizenship will be stripped away . There was a entire class of people that this happened too. The term we have for ex-spartiates as hypomeiones (literally “the inferiors”), which seems to have been an informal term covering a range of individuals who were (or whose family were) spartiates, but had ceased to be so. The hypomeiones were, by all accounts, mostly despised by the spartiates and the hatred seems to have been mutual (Xen. Hell. 3.3.6). Interestingly in that passage there - Xenophon’s Hellenica 3.3.6 - he lists the Spartan underclasses in what appears to be rising order of status - first the helots (at the bottom), then the neodamodes (freed helots, once step up), then the hypomeiones, and then finally the perioikoi. The implication is that falling off of the bottom of the spartiate class due to cowardice, failure - or just poverty - meant falling below the largest group of free non-citizens, the perioikoi.
They was correct in some ways but pushing too hard can create a weakness as well. To be the best you got to have a healthy balance. Also not only is learning a great thing however learning from as many as you can creates a better warrior. Also equally important to learn from your enemies. Which they kind of did. The only reason they failed was because of their refusal to change some things. Their equipment was great yet got outdated. They had everything but some key factors. That's why they ultimately was ended.
some were good they didn't seem to last long they developed some areas of their society but due to the excessive parts they neglected what makes for a strong family which is when a family bonds well spending enough time together and as a whole leads to a better nation.
In the heart of the hallowed land of ancient Greece, there dwelt a band of warriors, chiseled from the very stones of Mount Taygetus. These were the Spartans, whose souls were forged in the crucible of war and discipline, tempered with the heat of unwavering loyalty and devotion to their cause. Their training was not a mere regimen, but a relentless storm, a tempest that battered their bodies, testing their mettle, forging their spirits into unbreakable shards of diamond. Each grueling session was a crucible, a trial by fire where the weak were consumed, and the strong emerged, reborn in the searing flames of adversity. Each Spartan youth was a budding seed in the arid soil, nurtured by the iron hand of discipline and watered by the sweat and blood of their brethren. Their sinews and bones were fibers of unbreakable steel, woven together in the loom of relentless training. The Spartan warriors were not soldiers, but the embodiment of the primal forces of nature. They were the thunder that roared across the heavens, the lightning that shattered the night, the hurricane that swept across the land, leaving nothing but awe and reverence in its wake. They were the embodiment of the warrior spirit, a force as ancient and as timeless as the cosmos itself. The battleground was their canvas, and their spears and swords were the brushes with which they painted their gruesome masterpieces. They wove a tapestry of war, a symphony of clashing steel and shattering shields, punctuated by the staccato rhythm of their battle cries. In their wake, they left a trail of vanquished foes and conquered lands, a testament to the fury and might of the Spartan spirit Their hearts did not beat with the rhythm of life, but with the drumbeat of war. Each pulse was a call to arms, a battle cry that echoed through the ages, a testament to their indomitable will and unyielding resolve. Their veins did not carry blood, but the molten fire of courage, a flame that burned brighter with each passing moment, a beacon that illuminated the path of honor and glory. They were the sons of Ares, and their fierce spirits echoed the thunderous roars of their divine progenitor. They moved with the grace and precision of a falcon in flight, their every strike a razor-sharp talon, poised to pierce the very essence of their enemies. Each Spartan was a living storm, a tempest of flesh and blood that could unleash a torrent of destruction upon any foe who dared to challenge them. In the annals of history, the Spartans shall forever stand as a testament to the indomitable power of the human spirit, a monument to the unyielding resilience that blossoms when mortal flesh is forged by the fires of adversity. They were the embodiment of an ancient saying, whispered by the gods themselves: _"With your shield, or on it."_
Im 3 years into a military career and I think it’s safe to say we have adopted some principles of ancient military tradition into our modern system, while yes the training makes strong and unmovable, I hated every second of it lol. I just never got around to being treated like an animal, I followed in line like the rest but in the back of my mind I always knew who I was. Maybe I’ll miss in in retrospect but I doubt it at 28.
He forgot the most important fact. Every boy was assigned a mentor, whom he was forced to have sexual intercourse with. The idea was that through their bond, their ambition to fight was better. Spartans were a bunch of pedos, where the wealthy families across whole Europe sent their children to become men, it was a symbol of status.
im 17 and thinking of joining the military but i know i'll struggle with dicipline. i'll follow along to whatever my higherups want but my problem is that i cant sell it. if i disagree with something you can see it on my face even if im doing whatever it is im supposed to be doing.
I especially appreciate that they had the women in the program as well. I think today as a society we have a lot to learn from our ancestors. This point especially. In the fact that although women are biologically less capable than men physically, they still had them perform some basic training routinely which would actually help them defend themselves and their children against aggressors, while also maintaining their self respect and status as a wife and carer. A society built on this system would indeed be a harsh educational environment, but the people would be incredibly capable. Imagine if everyone in the world woke up and each devoted to become the best version of themselves. The world would be incredibly better off. And you are a product of your environment. A healthy and happy world breeds healthy, happy and strong people.
@@hercules_E164K Unfortunately, the Spartans were merely the ancestors of the Greeks. If we claim that the Spartans are our ancestors, it is as nonsense as the Koreans claiming that Confucius is their historical figure. This is historical plagiarism.
@@GrimgorIronhide-my4vt but they are our ancestors. And by our I mean white Europeans. We all come from some sort of warrior race one way or another so saying they are our ancestors isn't that far fetched considering most Europeans come from the same gene pool.
“for these reasons the boys were accustomed to being respectful to everyone, and only spoke when spoken to… the boys would even always walk around with a low gaze, so as to not provoke anyone.” apparently i was a spartan boy as a child😬
@@MMAKEDONEC Makedonians had the greek culture, greek language, gods and names, why shouldn´t they be Greeks? Only Greeks were allowed to parttake in the Olympics, and so, Makedonians were allowed too, of course.
It was unique and impressive, i love their warrior attitude, but they still ultimately fell, which could be an indicator that other nations had better ways of surviving - even though they were outmatched in warfare.
This training exposes both the good parts and the bad parts of an ancient world society. On the one hand, you had great people like lycurgus spearheading innovations out of nowhere. Parts of this training like the team fights and focus on the discipline of teenagers are impeccable too, they would definitely help mould said hormonal teenagers into ready and competent adults, both physically and psychologically ready to carry the burdens of life. On the other hand you have the ancient ignorance about things such as nutrition and its effects, or abuse towards children. Spartan boys growth was stunted by this constant malnutrition, and virtually all spartan boys grew up traumatised from physical and emotional abuse in a society which did not recognise these concepts. Either way, we can learn from it and mimic or avoid it
@Ján Ján exactly. I also fell into the same trap. Today I am more of a fan of athens, minoan Crete, Syracuse and thebes, because they have offered more to the world in terms of cultural, political and scientific innovation. Fun fact, the best warriors weren't even the spartans. The best warriors were the Argives from Argos, who defeated sparta on multiple occasions, while sparta was more famous for their women. This reputation changed in favor of sparta afterwards because A. The Persian wars, and B. The most famous Greek historians like herodotus and thucydedes wrote their works when sparta had already dominated the area and Argos had lost its power, leading to most accounts favoring sparta. Argos was also the birthplace of Alexander the great's dynasty
Not at all! I am currently working on the history of the 6th Ferrata legion, it will be a good one! I know the 5th Alaudae will also make a good future video too :)
@@HistoriaMilitum Excellent ! I play a mod called Imperium Surrectum for Total War Rome Remastered and it has or tries to have all the Roman named/numbered legions in it. It's great building armies with different legions and auxiliaries 😀😀. Looking forward to the upcoming videos.
most greek cities at the time thought that gymnastics were the best overall sport, which is partially true, and in Athens and Sparta would be the sport given to children and adolescents. If you look at gymnasts today, they are very strong and very lean, as would spartans be
damn, imagine how beastly they would be if they were fed proper rations while growing up, but it is to be expected since back then people didn't know malnutrition as a kid made you shorter as an adult
Now that we have proper rations and nutrition, we need to bring back the Spartan regime immediately! I want an army of huge musclebound military machines!
Like with anything that is pushed to the extreme it isn't the ideal. However, desperate times call for desperate measures. He sure gave Sparta its spot in History from time immemorial.
The Spartans also cared about posterity. Just like contemporary special units, they chose husbands who had sons for the most difficult tasks. Such soldiers want to win and survive and are far from unnecessary bravado.
@@Fat-Queen1 It's a very bad idea.relatives should not fight in one line, unit . In such cases they do not fallow the orders and their are dangerous for the unit and for themself.
@@AlexGarcia-lp6mbalso you can get sent to wars that you have no say over and if you disagree you get beaten down until you either win the battle or die
Nice! Though I was expecting to get a reference to the sources from which the information was obtained, as you did in other videos. It makes the content immensely more trustworthy.
This method accomplished his goal for 150 years. Truth is, Sparta was a smaller nation who had to become a warrior dominance to prevent the constant oppression from larger Greek states...
I encourage the viewers here to research what Spartan society (what did it mean to be a citizen?) was founded on and what its immense, albeit relatively short-lived, success really rested upon. Yes, its warriors were impeccably hard, but what kind of resources were required to build and support a military of such a caliber? It is a major point of discussion, relevant even in a video about training of citizen boys. Here's a start to this scholastic journey: Crypteia
Everything I heard in this video made sense of the "300" movie directed by Zack Snyder. It did a great job of reflecting those teachings that Spartans had. I remember a scene in the movie where two Spartans compete as to how many Persians they killed on the battlefield.
Loved it! I was interested in their exact training routine, thats why i clicked video lol But that was also great, we need more of these videos brother!
For an entire society I think that it's a little too much in the modern day but his principles were sound and make perfect sense. Which is also why Special Operations Soldiers are trained this way and live this kind of lifestyle today. Because it's very effective.
They aren't trained that way at all. The SAS recruits men who are independent thinkers. In operations they are indeed highly disciplined but NOT regimented like Spartans. Nutrition is given a very high priority and physical abuse of recruits is brief and for a specific purpose, so they understand what torture might be like. But it's NOT done with a vague notion of toughening you up and it's not routine. SAS troopers wouldn't tolerate that stupidity because they're not indoctrinated. You're so far from the reality, imagining that this is how special forces are produced.
@@procrastinatingrn3936agreed! Definitely not too much! In my country all boys are trained from young to be regimental soldiers and are later conscripted into the army as well. They serve as reservists well into old age. It's a fantastic system but nowhere close to the Spartan regime. We need to bring the Spartan system back for men!
The tips I could gather from this : - Be respectful to everyone - Only speak when spoken to - Keep your gaze on the road - Walk barefoot as much as possible - Take cold showers - Don't focus on extensive muscle growth, but instead on optimal physical performance
Why would you want to take tips from a wardriven society who was unable to create their own legacy or value? Other Greek city states also valued physical fitness and discipline but also was capable of nurturing the mind with philosophers and artists and mathematics.
@@skate5652 other Greek states didn't hold hordes upon hordes of Persian infantry in a battle, with only a handful of soldiers what where you saying about legacy/value again?
@@skate5652 Athens might have had more philosophers but if you rear a bit of the ancient Greek texture you'll soon notice that the Spartans actually were philosophers in the real life and done in action all there incredible things that philosophers suggest. Even philosophers like Socrates and Plato believed that Sparta have a better system.
@@spantsoputio8654 the Spartans created a form of warfare specifically suited for their geography and they were very good at it. Being good only at destruction is not what it means to be a whole and complete man. Also, if you recall, the Persians literally won that war.
It would’ve been nice to have some personal accounts like journal entries, battle recaps, or key social benchmarks to determine the exact impact of this method.
maybe there is, but if you haven’t noticed they’re trying to make young boys girls and vice versa so any masculinity teachings are avoided. just compare your average kid to the average spartan kid: spartan had the best of warriors teaching their way to young kids, now you have fat gender neutral sjw teaching your kid. young spartan kids would train in their free time now a kid just watched social media and spends little time outside.
I read a book about the Spartans. There was once an attack on there city and a solider woke up naked and rushed to join the fight against intruders in his city. So he fought naked just with his sword . You think they would of gave him a medal .Instead they fined him like some many thousands of dollars in todays currency . The reason was a Spartan always had to be fully armored before a battle .That was mandatory, and one would be fined if they did not have there full armor on.
@@charleskerry845 So spartans slept in their armour? Thats ridiculous! He should have been celebrating for fighting like that! In fact I would prefer if my husband or men in general went to war like that. If my city were under any threat I would want all the men to immediately remove their clothing and head to battle in their THONGS!
Noice 🤙 Cosimo said: If anyone (like the Spartan) should raise his children on a farm, make them sleep in the open, go with head and feet bare, bathe in cold water in order to harden them to endure vicissitudes, so that they then might love life less and fear death less, he would be praised by few and followed by none. So that dismayed at these ways of living, he presently leaves the ways of the ancients, and in imitating antiquity, does only that which he can with little wonderment. -Machiavelli, Niccolo The Art of War Book I
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl That´s stupid. Of course they could do manual labor, and did tons of it... It was just always for military reasons or training, like building a bridge, climbing the steep wall of a rocky mountain, and the hardest manual labor of all, WAR itself. Manual labor to earn a living and for profit reasons was maybe disgraacefull, indeed.
@@klausbrinck2137 you don't seem to understand the nature of a slave society. In these societies doing manual labor is to be slave like and to lower your dignity. And oh God was Sparta a slave society. It had a absurd free to slave ratio of 5 slave to one free man { that is the moderate estimate others claim 7 to 1} to put this into perspective. The American South had a ratio of two free to one and Athens had half of its population slaves. They needed their enslaved classes for everything because they literally were forbidden by law to have a job But I think it is worth stressing just how extreme the division of labor was. Helots did all of the labor, because the Spartiates were quite possibly the least productive people to ever exist (the perioikoi presumably also produced a lot of goods for the spartiates, but being free, one imagines they had to be compensated for that out of the only economic resource the spartiates possessed: the produce of helot labor). The spartiates were forbidden from taking up any kind of productive activity at all (Plut. Lyc. 24.2). Lysander is shocked that the Persian prince Cyrus gardens as a hobby (Xen. Oec. 4.20-5), because why sully your hands with labor if you don’t have to? Given the normal divisions of household labor (textile production in the Greek household was typically done by women), it is equally striking that not one of Plutarch’s “Sayings of Spartan Women’ in the Moralia concerns weaving, save for one - where a Spartan woman shames an Ionian one for being proud of her skill in it (Plut. Mor. 241d). Xenophon confirms that spartiate women did not weave, but relied on helot labor for that too (Xen. Lac. 1.4) OH and about doing the hardest labor of all war parts. The helots were also made to fight. We are told by Herodotus that the Spartans brought 35,000 helots to fight at Plataea (479 B.C., Hdt. 9.28.2) and helot forces of light infantry appear elsewhere in the sources.The helots seem to have comprised essentially the entire Spartan logistical system - carrying food and supplies
@@klausbrinck2137 spartiates, after all, lived a live of leisure (Plut. Lyc. 24.2) supported by the labor of slaves (Plut. Lyc. 24.3), where the closest they got to actual productive work was essentially sport hunting (Xen. Lac. 4.7).
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl And you don´t seem to understand the nature of things happening in another time than yours... Still 150-100 years ago, what Sparta did, was the norm all over the world, and has been too, everywhere back then. States were usually kingdoms, like Persia, where everyone is the property and slave of the king. Greeks weren´t that bad, cause many states had already democracy (Athens and allies), or at least a di-archy (2 kings, like in Sparta, still more democratic than in persian monarchy), where slavery is legal, but the citizens cannot be slaves !!! That´s one of the biggest steps in human civilisation: Instead of everybody possibly being a slave, now only defeated foreign invaders from another country can become slaves !!! So, the Greeks would use the POWs of wars with foreign countries as slaves, and also the citizens, who cannot pay their debts back, who instead of going to prison, they had to work for the entity they owe money to. First: Spartans were special among Greeks, and disliked, for having greek-POWs as their slaves, which was harshly critisized by other Greeks, since only foreign captured soldiers and Greeks who owe you money, were allowed to become slaves... Second: The Helots were in Messinia, an enslaved greek-state to the west of the spartan greek-state (guarded and living there among themselves, but producing a lot and keeping just enough to survive, forced to give the rest to Sparta), and the Spartans weren´t a minority, but a default, normal greek-state, like any other of them over-600-greek-states. But the people of the state to the west of them, was producing for them. No Helot had to be the servant of a Spartan, or maybe some were working in the Palace, but in general, the Helots were living in THEIR state, separate from the Spartans, and had no contact to them, and the Spartans would guard the borders, so that no Helot can leave his state, but stays there and works. Every year the Helots would go to war against the Spartans, to turn the situation over, but the Spartans would always win, for centuries. But the Helots have also become a big military power, after so many years of waging war with Sparta
4:39 I would completely agree with this today, if it was up for a vote, this vote would have my full support, we have a week spoiled generation today that doesn’t care about anything and takes their freedom for granted
So, you basically agree on a fucked up and dictatorial education system of the youngsters. Nice Forcing respect through beatings doesn't seem like the best option to me, but... You do you I guess 🤷♀️ Oh, and also, weak*
@@Tuxita99 Let’s get one thing straight, kids don’t have the same rights as adults for a reason because they need to be taught how to be adult, and beating children isn’t as alien of a concept as you would think, teachers here use to be allowed to hit us back in the 80s and down in Texas some counties still allow it with the parents written consent of course
Lykurgos, means something like "working with wolves" or maybe "a Wolf´s-work". Luca or Lucian are other names containing the word "wolf". During the translation of greek into latin, "y" is often replaced with an "u", since the small-case-greek-"y" looks identical to the small-case-latin-"u" (greek: Υ,υ latin Y,y U,u)
If you are wondering why there is so little of Ancient Sparta left, I give you one name. Abbe Michel Fourmont. It turns my stomach every time I read about his ''endeavours''. Who knows what our image of the Spartans would be like if it weren't for him, and others like him.
If the world was fair, our image of Sparta would be a image of a bunch of slaving, pedophilic racists who spend their entire existance being terrified of slave revolts, who then procceded to collapse once a rival city-state forced Sparta to free their slaves.
The teachings were adequate for the times, and many of those teachings are really useful in order to be an upstanding example of a man. It's very interesting that what they wanted to achieve was absolute victory, or nothing at all
Since family life was secondary to this, I'd say that the samples of manhood this produced would be pretty weak in terms of functioning as a man. All this produced was people capable of military violence.
@@DanBeech-ht7sw Thats not true, fighting for and defending his country and family is the highest function of a man. By defending his family, his family is obviously not secondary to him! If there is any security threat or even war, I would want my husband to be on the frontlines fighting in his leather THONG!
@@DanBeech-ht7sw but it was, these men trained their entire lives to protect and defend. Protecting their country means protecting their families. You can't tell me that that isn't functioning masculinity. Would you defend your nation in your briefs? I doubt it!
@@Fat-Queen You are completely ignoring what we know to be true today - you cannot raise children the way Spartans raised theirs without causing profound psychological damage. You are assuming some kind of ethical reason for "defending their families" when in fact they were probably just defending their privileges. I call that MALfunctioning "masculinity". Lots of people are prepared to defend their nation in an emergency - but they don't come at it from a position of extended, extensive childhood abuse. Have you heard of the Turkish Muslim soldier-fanatics called Janissaries? Would you call them normal? I put it to you that they were equally as messed up in the head as the Spartans.
False, difference is in outcome, from fear you gain trauma only and bad things, from discipline and respect you gain a lot of positive things that improve you, stay soft boy
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this is a perfect example of the fact that not all of the answers we search for align with our ethical beliefs. The dude was brutal but he crafted some of the most disciplined people around. Ethics are still important though because yea they achieved alot but at what cost.
While you aren't getting a girl 😂 religion was the last thing that made Marriages a reality. Now even with this all you can't get one, that's the society it's all about Genes.
Sparta messed up when they discarded all those new borns. Who knows just how many people were lost . The full blooded Spartans were as low as 1000 when they fought Thebes.
The spartans had a stable society? The spartans so terrified of slave revolts they spend their entire history being terrified of slave revolts? The same society that collapsed the second a neighboring city-state freed their slaves? That society?
@@The-Lazy-Dane Oh I am well aware! boys hauled off to the military at a young age, spending their entire lives being trained, regimented, disciplined, punished etc. Taught not to think but only to follow orders. I strongly believe obedience and discipline cannot just be taught to men, but must be drilled into them. We want an army of musclebound underwear clad military machines!
This is great training and upbringing! The hardships of life are tested early, so when the real battles come, their faith doesn’t diminish based on rumors of the enemies victories, stature, and appearance.
I would give up ANYTHING IN THE WORLD to experience this. Damn that would be a challenge to be proud of for the rest of life! Long live the Spartan spirit!
Imagine asking from your poeple nowadays to be at their best since childhood with discipline, learning and that all community is involve. It will never work but individual who does that are called superhero today
Don't forget all the kids who were abandoned at birth for not being "healthy" or the corporal punishments they used, how the kids were abandoned for a year and had to steal to survive and if they were they would be severely beaten, the casual rape between men and boys.... Yeah sounds like the superheroes you want....
@@onesmallstepatthetime6914 I gladly forget them If its to give them a life of suffering and only misery and i question if you think about them in your daylli life ? yes i applaud the poeple who have a vision for a better life and stand for higher values because life is not easy if yiu want to achieve something even small. So yeah i stand by my comment. Thank you.
@@onesmallstepatthetime6914 ''for not being "healthy"'' That was performed by all cities in both ancient and medieval societes, not just Sparta. Eugenics existed everywhere. It's just that moderns have discovered abortion before birth, back then it was not possible to know if the baby was healthy before birth. Rapes only started happening after the Peloponnesian war. As for the corporal strikes(not punishments exactly but yes they were painful for sure) and how they were abandonded, there is no freedom without pain in this world. You only learn from yourself and become a fighter through being pushed to your limits. Compare that to two boxers going through training, which boxer would become the better one??? That one who exercises painfully with no rest and goes through endless beats and learns how to tolerate pain and fight back, or the one where ''being hit is forbidden'' and only goes through a ''pleasant'' training with no much pain involved?? Who do you think is going to be the winner??
Seleucids, Seleukids, "Selefkides" is the original greek name, since "u" following an "a/e" is pronounced like an "F". "Leukos" means "white", like in Leukemia (=white blood), a cancer where white-blood-cells multiply that fast, that the blood turns pale
Some I knew already but this expanded version makes me try to imagine living in that society and it mind-blowing...but if I were in it I guess that would be normal
there's a reason they have been remembered and are still being talked about 2000 years later. Anyone who says they're too brutal must have too many first world problems.
People are incapable of viewing ancient societies through any scope other than modern American liberalism. It's honestly pathetic how in every history video you'll find hordes of idiots crying about slavery and rough upbringings and the poor traumas of children.
I feel like aspects of the Lygurgius system is still in play with our modern western societies. However it would be neat to have a volunteer group to test this practice in full. Well maybe it would be considered unethical, but still it'd be interesting. I also wonder what would happen if I incorporate this system, at least partly into my own life. Though I'd imagine I'd have to cut myself off from the vices that make up my daily life, heck that might be a good thing actually.
Athens fell to Makedonia, and Makedonia to Rome, western Rome to the Germans and eastern Rome to the Ottomans, but not Sparta included. It didn´t even fell to the Germans in WW2. Sparta was every second of its existence free. And the Spartans, kicking ottoman-ass for 500years, were the only warriors, when unarmed and untrained Greeks started their fight for independence from the Ottomans, which succeded .
@@klausbrinck2137 The sad truth is that no one conquered Sparta because no one cared. In roman times was a simple touristic place, without any of their original pride. Sparta fell over itself.
Spartan training was tough, but not more intense than that of professional Roman gladiators, who we recently covered in a full video here:
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Dude, that's a matter of army size not training
We need the spartan law again
"THIS IS SPARTA?!" He asked calmly.
Obviously you can go too far with this sort of thing. But I think having a physically fit, active population who spend time outdoors can only be a net positive.
Depends of many things.
@@georgecristiancripcia4819 Poor deflection. Fitness in the population is only a net positive.
@@jonbaxter2254
Not exactly.Not all peoples are the same when it came to fitness.Yes,having more opportunities to do sports is good but not to force the people to do it.And to much sport has an impact on our bodies.
@@georgecristiancripcia4819 So nobody should be fit then? Awful excuse, and arguing that exercise is actually *bad* for you?!
@@jonbaxter2254 He as arguing for too much exercise.
Even the mothers of Spartan warriors were extremely hard on their sons. When they were going to battle the mothers giving them their shields saying 'η ταν η επι τας' meaning 'return carrying it or on it' in other words return victorious or dead.
I would say the same to my sons! We want real men, not weaklings!
DAmn lol
Eh, you sound as fishy as the 300 film.
Ive read some myself, and thou some are exaggerated, they are trained more than the other greek city states.
They are a militaristic state and lots of books are proof to that.
Saying that they are just as same as any other is as bullshit as the 300's persian army made of monsters.
@AaronBrown-rr6yu That's a whole lot of talking there. You should be on the field training in your leather th0ng instead.
@@Fat-QueenCringe
Well, 3000 years later we're still talking about them and holding the Spartans up as examples of the perfect citizen soldiers so I would have to say they were fairly successful.
It’s more so their infamous 300 legend
They were one of the finest army's in the world but it was unfortunately this method that was there undoing but many of these methods could do well to be taught today
I hold strongly mixed opinions about having a societal pressure that encourages death before dishonor. It's possible that they lost their brightest minds because they either lacked combat talent, or otherwise fled a doomed situation.
On the other hand, without some extent of this pressure, their armies could rout after only very light casualties
Well we are still talking about a lot of cultures that had some pretty batshit ideas. I think their ideas were also the reason they could never expand. Because they could never controll other societies that didnt grow up with these norms and would have rebeled if they tried to force them. Another aspect about their norms that seems highly contradictive is the cooperation and combativness part. By ensuring that "being the best" is seem as having the highest, or maybe only, prestige, you hinder any development for support roles. Imagine a soccer team where everyone want to be the star striker all the time. That team would have a hard time against a team where everybody plays his role that best fits him.
I would also argue that trying to teach your children to always obey the law and respect the societs order while demanding of them to be able to steal without getting caught to get enough food to achieve the growth they need is highly contradictional.
That says more about our current culture than it does anything about the alleged incredible Spartan society
The Spartans created the worlds first special forces. Their tactics are still used today by sf all over the world. Things like "never quit" and "cheat but don't get caught "
nope. Who will go to war in sandals and exposing arms and chest. Epic fake history.
I'ts sad that we embrace national-socialism instead of Republicanism.
Legends like Epaminondas of Thebes are forgotten today.
The man who crushed the Spartan army at the battle of Leuktra and the next year marched an army into the Peloponeese, built Megalopolis, went to the enslaved lands of Messenia and freed *250.000 helots* from Spartan yoke creating the famous Helot Stronghold of Messenia.
The famous Cicero called Epaminondas the Liberator one of the Greatest men Greece has ever produced.@@IA100KPDT
Philip of Macedon received military and diplomatic education from Epaminondas in Thebes.
The famous Sarissa Phalanx of Macedon was inspired by the Theban Phallanx which was reformed by Epaminondas.@@CSA-wh5qp
@@IA100KPDT tactics bro TACTICS!!!!!!!
like this
The Spartans, known for their military prowess and discipline, employed several tactics and strategies that have had a lasting impact on modern military thinking and are still used today. Here are some of the Spartan tactics and principles that continue to be relevant:
Discipline and Training: Spartan soldiers were renowned for their rigorous training from a young age. This emphasis on discipline and physical fitness is still a cornerstone of modern military training.
Phalanx Formation: The Spartans perfected the use of the phalanx, a tight formation of heavily armed soldiers with shields and long spears. This formation maximized the defensive and offensive capabilities of infantry. The concept of forming a cohesive line of soldiers with shields and spears influenced later infantry formations, such as the Roman legion.
Military Drills: Spartan soldiers practiced a wide range of drills to build muscle memory and coordination. This practice is still prevalent in modern military training, where soldiers rehearse movements and procedures repeatedly.
Decisive Battles: The Spartans were known for seeking decisive battles on favorable terms rather than engaging in protracted conflicts. Modern military strategy often seeks to achieve victory through decisive battles or operations, minimizing the duration of the conflict.
Terrain Utilization: Spartans were masters at using the natural terrain to their advantage. Today's military forces still employ this principle to gain a tactical advantage on the battlefield.
Psychological Warfare: Spartans understood the importance of instilling fear and confidence in their enemies. Psychological warfare, such as the use of intimidating appearances and tactics, is still a strategy used in modern warfare.
Logistics and Supply Lines: The Spartan military understood the importance of maintaining supply lines and logistics. This concept remains crucial for modern military operations to keep troops well-equipped and supported.
Agoge System: The Agoge was the Spartan education and training system for young boys. While modern militaries may not employ identical methods, they recognize the importance of early training and education for building capable soldiers.
Leadership and Command Structure: Spartan military leaders were expected to lead by example and make strategic decisions. This leadership principle is still integral in modern military organizations.
Standardized Equipment: Spartans used standardized equipment for their soldiers, ensuring uniformity and ease of maintenance. Modern militaries also emphasize the importance of standardized equipment for logistics and operational efficiency.
While many aspects of modern warfare have evolved significantly since the time of the Spartans, the principles and tactics they employed have had a lasting impact on military strategy and continue to be relevant in the training and operation of military forces today.
@@IA100KPDT Where did you see their chest exposed?? Hoplites fought behind a protective shield wall and attacked their enemies with long spears, keeping them at bay. Read some hisotry junior
“The walls of Sparta are its young men, and its borders the points of their spears.”
"And their citizens are all fucking pedophiles"
oh so weak and so small
@Rob
IIRC they came as tourists
@Rob romans only conquered Greece because they had half of the Greeks with them
@user-ht9pi6ki4pIslamic Caliphate wrecked the Romans
Sparta is interesting because it's one of the few societies that pooled all of its efforts into the development of its military. As a result, the physical remains of Sparta are rubble, compared to other ancient cultures with monuments and buildings still standing today
Very true! They also didn’t produce enough philosophers, historians and other academic minds to ensure any legacy. Even this video was based only on the writings of non Spartan sources because that’s all we have. So all the fascinating intricacies of their culture and lifestyle are lost to time!
Would you consider doing a "Top 10 Ancient One-Liners", @@HistoriaMilitum...? Kings and Generals already did a Spartan version...
also a catholic priest destroying every Spartan stone that was left doesn't help much either
@@cant_handle_deeznuts What? Really?
@@cant_handle_deeznuts who's the catholic priest?
Feet strengthening is only something we've found out recently due to having running shoes destroying the muscles in our feet giving us back and hip pain. This man figured that out centuries ago, and today some people still think barefoot strength is a quack science.
He also figured out dancing for fighting. Some of the best strikers we have in the world today, Lomachenko and Adesanya both grew up doing traditional and hip-hop dancing respectively. This man figured out that dancing is great for fighting and body co-ordination years ago.
This man also figured out being lean over being too muscular for fighting/war is more ideal. This is a concept that some people still struggle with today, thinking that the big bodybuilder is going to win an MMA fight to the more technical smaller guy.
This man figured out fasting (maybe it was already commonplace in those days idk) but at least implemented it for reasons. Which is impressive compared to modern day society with their fast food all in your face.
This man figured out the Wim Hof method centuries before Wim Hof was born.
This man expertly implemented competition and brotherhood which has been known to raise testosterone basically making the men even stronger.
He even implemented no-nut (until marriage) lmao.
Thanks OP what an impressive amount of research you've done and thanks for introducing me to this man.
@Myzi Ynkawao LSBEIS I don’t believe you could say “far” better. He is regarded as one of the best for a reason. Having 2 losses total in his entire UFC career doesn’t remove his talent and ability. Especially when considering the fight against one of the men you directly compared him to was 5 rounds in with 2 minutes left before his knockout, where he was performing exceptionally.
@Myzi Ynkawao LSBEIS why would I put in Alex Pereira if he doesn't dance you retard? I know you seethe over Izzy you don't have to like him but his striking is one of if not the most technical in the game right now.. YES Alex has his number but that's because he's a fucking a beast.
Learn to comprehend dumbass.
@@dreamchasers1590 you missed the point you fucking retard. And then you agreed with me, so why comment?
Most of what you say is true, but the mma analogy is stupid. Weight classes exist for a reason.
vivobarefoot shoes changed my life no more back or knee pain from having a raised heel in shoes.
Discipline and health go hand in hand. To the extent the Spartans did it is wild, but the basis for their purpose was spot on.
"There is no tooth fairy, there is no easter bunny and THERE IS NO TACTICAL RETREAT“
- Probably some Spartan Supervisor
He forgot the most important fact. Every boy was assigned a mentor, whom he was forced to have sexual intercourse with. The idea was that through their bond, their ambition to fight was better. Spartans were a bunch of pedos, where the wealthy families across whole Europe sent their children to become men, it was a symbol of status.
the whole inhuman system sounds as if it produces monsters, which probably isn't too far fetched as the primary purpose was warfare. pity it took far too long for Sparta to crumble under this apartheid system if they managed to be top dog for 150yrs
Retreat!? Hell, we're just advancing to the rear!
LOL!
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Imagine if Sparta used their training style to make architects, scientists etc. Imagine having the most disciplined population and using that to advance in every field. Strong men and women build strong communities, which builds strong cities and builds strong nations.
They did in athenian ( know known as athens) they focus in education and lecture , that's why Greece Brough so much in medicine , mathematics and more . Athens was known for the wisdom , education, art and more , sparta for the advance military skills and power , even was a small town/country
They did thnot. They are remembered for fighting. But the arts and sciences were just as much of their upbringing.
It's called japan
for that yoga
Problem with that is: Too much disciplin is not good for science. Because science lives from new ideas, which are hard to develop if you have to fit into a system constantly. Of course some discipline is needed to conduct experiments and apply them systematically, but using the same system as for the warriors wont work well.
“Feel no fear before the multitude of men, do not run in panic, but let each man bear his shield straight towards the forefighters. Regarding his own life as hateful and holding the dark spirits of death as dear as the radiance of the Sun.”
-Tyrtaeus
Which work?
@@vinniciuselion4544 Spartan Lessons or the Praise of Valor in the verses of Tyrtaeus
the thebans are coming run
I mean yea that's what every military has taught since forever. Don't run when the enemy comes....
@@thedudefromrobloxx I guess you don't know what poetry means
Everyone focusing on physical snd military aspects.. it was more then that. It was about humility, mental strength, being happy and grateful in hard times, learning to find away, building drive for success, respect, earning what they have, being apart of a larger picture. Etc etc. Building strong character, minds and beliefs. That makes a successful society.
Stoicism
Did u see the video?😂
The Spartans were into rape and conquering, all that gay philosophy shit is for the Athenians
That’s a very romantic view of what was effectively a military cult
For the goal he wanted, the methods needed to be extreme. So I think he accomplished what he set out to do.
The Templar Knights adopted some Spartan methods. Like harsh discipline, abstaining from nearly all pursuits of pleasure, rigorous physical training, and the commitment to never retreat in battle.
the problem with knights templar is that they were made solely for political and religious gains, whereas spartan warriors are made to strengthen their individual morality and also strengthen the entire society as a whole.
@@roaringcat14 "spartan warriors are made to strengthen their individual morality"? is English your first language? doesn't quite make sense. I would also argue warrior monks who have devoted their lives to forsaking earthly pleasure (wine, women etc.) were also pretty morally strong, whereas Spartans were even encouraged to steal & kill. Yes, Spartans did strengthen society, but as a whole?? idk. they sort of left out/skipped a lot of science, architecture, literature & philosophy compared to other Greek states & Templars.
Templars were gay devil worshippers and still are as elite "free"masons. SCINTILLAM DEI proved it.
A popular saying back then was 'to drink like a Templar'.
Leonidas is the most famous Spartan for what he did at Thermopylae, but there are other kings too that made Sparta great. Agis I and Pausanias are also great. Check out what they did.😉
which ones had more gay sex
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leonidas got beheaded by persians bro how great was he really lol. alexander the great jerkd cyrus off the real goats are the persians
Got raped and continued raping young boys while living off the wealth generated by the more numerous enslaved Helot.
I swear every boy thinks that in history they would be the Warrior and not the slave. They have a house in 2023 and think they're like a Jeffersonian small landowner and not a dude paying rent to a bank.
Don't forget their slaves who they almost always used a fodder so they could come in and do the east work after the battle was over.
I clicked on this video hoping to get a workout routine but was not disappointed
Same haha
Same
Dude! Me too
Ok. Wake up at 5. Cross train for hours. Go to school and learn for hours. Then go farm. Then go hunting. Then sleep for 8 hours.
The workout routine is doing calisthenics naked
Wow that was well done, I thought I knew a lot of the Spartans but this was nearly 100% stuff I did not know already, well done.
Typical. All Americans think they know everything when they don't know shit. 👍🏻
I have read that the agoge essentially had the seed of it's own failure built in. It required the men to provide their own arms and armour which was expensive. When they couldn't do it they lost their voting rights and dropped out of the system. As this happened more and more, wealth moving to the top, the pool of eligible warriors dropped and their army decreased. I may have misremembered the exact details but that's the gist.
Just means sparta didn't have much money and was constantly attacked.
In the Spartan system under Lycurgus they weren't supposed to have money as it was thought to corrupt them.
Spartan citizens were given a plot of land and slaves to be able to provide for themselves and the weapons they required.
Spartan women took the money through the law and never relinquished their legendary wealth.. that's why government was so bad. Women were a hyper majority for a minor reason, to ensure offspring. Except they were too good for that...
@@hackersulamaster Women were a majority because Sparta, was almost constantly at war, and replacing men isn't a quick process.
Women were wealthy and better educated due to them being the only ones who could own and inherit land.
The Spartan men's focus was on warfare.
This video not only highlights the unique aspects of Spartan culture but also provides valuable insights into the principles of discipline, sacrifice, and resilience that are still relevant today.
I have a key chain of the aspis shield that reminds me whenever I am going through something tough, that the Spartans had it even harder and still came out on top.
Yes the Spartans certainly got through tougher situations than you having a Windows update interrupt your video game session.
Lol shots fired!
But seriously Spartans can't complain they never had to deal with tranny's and Sjw's.
@@folksurvival nice random assumption lmao
@@db5094 It wasn't a random assumption.
Your channel is incredible. The research you/your team do for these videos is outstanding. Really inspiring to an adolescent botany nerd like me, and makes me realize how far and elusive certain things are.
This was a competent summary, although it neglected most of Spartan society - food production, trade, the lives of women, merchants, slaves. .. But all you need to do to know all of this and much, much more is READ A BOOK ON IT.
He forgets the most important fact. Every boy was assigned a mentor, whom he was forced to have sexual intercourse with. The idea was that through their bond, their ambition to fight was better. Spartans were a bunch of pedos, where the wealthy families across whole Europe sent their children to become men, it was a symbol of status.
Thank you for the kind words, I am glad you enjoyed this video on ancient training!
@@HistoriaMilitum and a.fcking
Botany nerd?! Go to the gym!!!
Extremely interesting and so much to learn! Thank you for your hard work and sharing your knowledge with us. Can't wait for the next.
Even till today we can see their methods performed in military institutions. Well studied and implemented. Win.
Amazing video as always
Hmm, you left out the fact that over those 150+ years the Spartan birth rate collapsed and instead of fielding their usual 10,000+ army they could barley raise 1,000 at the end.
What happened?
@@blugaledoh2669 During the 2nd war with Persia the Spartans sent over 10k Hoplites (half Spartan full citizens) to the battle of Plataea.
By the time they face Thebes at Leuctra they could field on 6k of Hoplites and only 1k of these where Spartan citizens.
The Spartan population's birthrate had collapsed.
Q: was it the Spartan system that did this?
@@davidmouser596
you could not pay your mess dues you lost citicenship
one bad year of your alloted estate and you and your family where finished
@@davidmouser596 wrong not birth rate {although that was a factor} it was the cost consolidation of land into hands of few Sparties. Which meant less Sparties able to financially afford there citizenship
@@Jan.jan2024 you had to contribute to your local syssitia {mess}. by food. And if you can't your citizenship will be stripped away
. There was a entire class of people that this happened too. The term we have for ex-spartiates as hypomeiones (literally “the inferiors”), which seems to have been an informal term covering a range of individuals who were (or whose family were) spartiates, but had ceased to be so.
The hypomeiones were, by all accounts, mostly despised by the spartiates and the hatred seems to have been mutual (Xen. Hell. 3.3.6). Interestingly in that passage there - Xenophon’s Hellenica 3.3.6 - he lists the Spartan underclasses in what appears to be rising order of status - first the helots (at the bottom), then the neodamodes (freed helots, once step up), then the hypomeiones, and then finally the perioikoi.
The implication is that falling off of the bottom of the spartiate class due to cowardice, failure - or just poverty - meant falling below the largest group of free non-citizens, the perioikoi.
A fascinating period and an amazing culture - all the Greek city states and kingdoms of this period
Source?
-revealed to me in a dream
They was correct in some ways but pushing too hard can create a weakness as well. To be the best you got to have a healthy balance. Also not only is learning a great thing however learning from as many as you can creates a better warrior. Also equally important to learn from your enemies. Which they kind of did. The only reason they failed was because of their refusal to change some things. Their equipment was great yet got outdated. They had everything but some key factors. That's why they ultimately was ended.
I am a strong advocate for their leather thongs though, if only soldiers still used them.
Sparta may not have any standing structures, but their legacy lives on in our tactics.
Sadly, michel fourmont made sure there is nothing left of sparta...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Fourmont
I’m not sure raping young boys is part of a legacy to be proud of.
some were good they didn't seem to last long they developed some areas of their society but due to the excessive parts they neglected what makes for a strong family which is when a family bonds well spending enough time together and as a whole leads to a better nation.
Knowing all this really sheds a new light on Kratos
In the heart of the hallowed land of ancient Greece, there dwelt a band of warriors, chiseled from the very stones of Mount Taygetus. These were the Spartans, whose souls were forged in the crucible of war and discipline, tempered with the heat of unwavering loyalty and devotion to their cause.
Their training was not a mere regimen, but a relentless storm, a tempest that battered their bodies, testing their mettle, forging their spirits into unbreakable shards of diamond. Each grueling session was a crucible, a trial by fire where the weak were consumed, and the strong emerged, reborn in the searing flames of adversity. Each Spartan youth was a budding seed in the arid soil, nurtured by the iron hand of discipline and watered by the sweat and blood of their brethren. Their sinews and bones were fibers of unbreakable steel, woven together in the loom of relentless training.
The Spartan warriors were not soldiers, but the embodiment of the primal forces of nature. They were the thunder that roared across the heavens, the lightning that shattered the night, the hurricane that swept across the land, leaving nothing but awe and reverence in its wake. They were the embodiment of the warrior spirit, a force as ancient and as timeless as the cosmos itself.
The battleground was their canvas, and their spears and swords were the brushes with which they painted their gruesome masterpieces. They wove a tapestry of war, a symphony of clashing steel and shattering shields, punctuated by the staccato rhythm of their battle cries. In their wake, they left a trail of vanquished foes and conquered lands, a testament to the fury and might of the Spartan spirit
Their hearts did not beat with the rhythm of life, but with the drumbeat of war. Each pulse was a call to arms, a battle cry that echoed through the ages, a testament to their indomitable will and unyielding resolve. Their veins did not carry blood, but the molten fire of courage, a flame that burned brighter with each passing moment, a beacon that illuminated the path of honor and glory.
They were the sons of Ares, and their fierce spirits echoed the thunderous roars of their divine progenitor. They moved with the grace and precision of a falcon in flight, their every strike a razor-sharp talon, poised to pierce the very essence of their enemies. Each Spartan was a living storm, a tempest of flesh and blood that could unleash a torrent of destruction upon any foe who dared to challenge them.
In the annals of history, the Spartans shall forever stand as a testament to the indomitable power of the human spirit, a monument to the unyielding resilience that blossoms when mortal flesh is forged by the fires of adversity. They were the embodiment of an ancient saying, whispered by the gods themselves: _"With your shield, or on it."_
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The men we need, REAL MEN, soldiers.
Breeding toughness through sustained adversity is a great thing.
Im 3 years into a military career and I think it’s safe to say we have adopted some principles of ancient military tradition into our modern system, while yes the training makes strong and unmovable, I hated every second of it lol. I just never got around to being treated like an animal, I followed in line like the rest but in the back of my mind I always knew who I was. Maybe I’ll miss in in retrospect but I doubt it at 28.
Cant speak from military backgrounds but I think that discipline is impossible to build without the pain.
Mike Tyson also hated his training.
He forgot the most important fact. Every boy was assigned a mentor, whom he was forced to have sexual intercourse with. The idea was that through their bond, their ambition to fight was better. Spartans were a bunch of pedos, where the wealthy families across whole Europe sent their children to become men, it was a symbol of status.
im 17 and thinking of joining the military but i know i'll struggle with dicipline. i'll follow along to whatever my higherups want but my problem is that i cant sell it. if i disagree with something you can see it on my face even if im doing whatever it is im supposed to be doing.
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For the time they were in , and for having dominance for over 100 years I do believe his method served it’s purpose
It needs to be brought back for men.
@@Fat-Queenmaybe not in full. But physical fitness should be expected and encouraged for everyone in society.
@@theredknight9314 Not everyone, Women ruled and ran the state while men trained and went to war in thongs. That is how it should be.
@@Fat-Queen they still ate healthy and did some physical labir. Course your name checks out SMH
@@theredknight9314 keyword - SOME
This ancient history documentary had me hooked from start to finish! Fantastic content!
I especially appreciate that they had the women in the program as well.
I think today as a society we have a lot to learn from our ancestors. This point especially. In the fact that although women are biologically less capable than men physically, they still had them perform some basic training routinely which would actually help them defend themselves and their children against aggressors, while also maintaining their self respect and status as a wife and carer. A society built on this system would indeed be a harsh educational environment, but the people would be incredibly capable.
Imagine if everyone in the world woke up and each devoted to become the best version of themselves.
The world would be incredibly better off. And you are a product of your environment. A healthy and happy world breeds healthy, happy and strong people.
well said.
not our ancestors unless we are Korean🤐
@@GrimgorIronhide-my4vt what are you on about?
@@hercules_E164K Unfortunately, the Spartans were merely the ancestors of the Greeks. If we claim that the Spartans are our ancestors, it is as nonsense as the Koreans claiming that Confucius is their historical figure. This is historical plagiarism.
@@GrimgorIronhide-my4vt but they are our ancestors. And by our I mean white Europeans. We all come from some sort of warrior race one way or another so saying they are our ancestors isn't that far fetched considering most Europeans come from the same gene pool.
“for these reasons the boys were accustomed to being respectful to everyone, and only spoke when spoken to… the boys would even always walk around with a low gaze, so as to not provoke anyone.” apparently i was a spartan boy as a child😬
Can you do more Greek oriented vidoes, Perhaps one about the Macedonians?
I am considering making a video on the training of the Macedonians next! Hopefully there will be enough sources to make such a video :)
the macedonians are not greeks
@@MMAKEDONEC You need to come back to reality.
@@ConstantineFtw he is right
@@MMAKEDONEC Makedonians had the greek culture, greek language, gods and names, why shouldn´t they be Greeks? Only Greeks were allowed to parttake in the Olympics, and so, Makedonians were allowed too, of course.
It was unique and impressive, i love their warrior attitude, but they still ultimately fell, which could be an indicator that other nations had better ways of surviving - even though they were outmatched in warfare.
The Rimans asked the Spartans why they fell. They replied, poor leadership of course.
This training exposes both the good parts and the bad parts of an ancient world society. On the one hand, you had great people like lycurgus spearheading innovations out of nowhere. Parts of this training like the team fights and focus on the discipline of teenagers are impeccable too, they would definitely help mould said hormonal teenagers into ready and competent adults, both physically and psychologically ready to carry the burdens of life. On the other hand you have the ancient ignorance about things such as nutrition and its effects, or abuse towards children. Spartan boys growth was stunted by this constant malnutrition, and virtually all spartan boys grew up traumatised from physical and emotional abuse in a society which did not recognise these concepts. Either way, we can learn from it and mimic or avoid it
These Sparties were only one tenth of the population. The rest were slaves and second class perioki
@Mohamed Ramadan I know man, I'm greek. What is your point?
@@stamatisvolanis8482 that there system had any positives
@Ján Ján exactly. I also fell into the same trap. Today I am more of a fan of athens, minoan Crete, Syracuse and thebes, because they have offered more to the world in terms of cultural, political and scientific innovation. Fun fact, the best warriors weren't even the spartans. The best warriors were the Argives from Argos, who defeated sparta on multiple occasions, while sparta was more famous for their women. This reputation changed in favor of sparta afterwards because A. The Persian wars, and B. The most famous Greek historians like herodotus and thucydedes wrote their works when sparta had already dominated the area and Argos had lost its power, leading to most accounts favoring sparta. Argos was also the birthplace of Alexander the great's dynasty
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I wouldn't say class segregation and enslavement were positives but I get what you mean about the nature of the society
Thank you for the videos ✨ Did you drop the idea of history of each Roman legion? I was eagerly waiting for the story 5th & 8th.
Not at all! I am currently working on the history of the 6th Ferrata legion, it will be a good one! I know the 5th Alaudae will also make a good future video too :)
@@HistoriaMilitum Excellent ! I play a mod called Imperium Surrectum for Total War Rome Remastered and it has or tries to have all the Roman named/numbered legions in it. It's great building armies with different legions and auxiliaries 😀😀. Looking forward to the upcoming videos.
“We could expect the average spartan body to not be overly muscular”
Gerard Butler disagrees.
most greek cities at the time thought that gymnastics were the best overall sport, which is partially true, and in Athens and Sparta would be the sport given to children and adolescents. If you look at gymnasts today, they are very strong and very lean, as would spartans be
His biceps back legs where not that big tbh
They didn’t have tren back then lmao
But he had a mustache, which Spartans didn't. They grew their beards and shaved their mustaches, and looked down on people with mustaches.
Nice picture
damn, imagine how beastly they would be if they were fed proper rations while growing up, but it is to be expected since back then people didn't know malnutrition as a kid made you shorter as an adult
Now that we have proper rations and nutrition, we need to bring back the Spartan regime immediately! I want an army of huge musclebound military machines!
@@Fat-Queen Not musclebound. That understates what the Spartan ideal man is, and misrepresents it
@@davidcolon13 Doesn't matter. My comment is what women want and what the state demands.
@@Fat-Queen Women don’t want musclebound military machines
@@Fat-Queen Women don’t want musclebound military machines
Like with anything that is pushed to the extreme it isn't the ideal. However, desperate times call for desperate measures. He sure gave Sparta its spot in History from time immemorial.
The Spartans also cared about posterity. Just like contemporary special units, they chose husbands who had sons for the most difficult tasks. Such soldiers want to win and survive and are far from unnecessary bravado.
This was straightforward ensuring they didn't loss manpower by men dying before they bread
Should send fathers and sons together!
@@Fat-Queen1 It's a very bad idea.relatives should not fight in one line, unit . In such cases they do not fallow the orders and their are dangerous for the unit and for themself.
@@PR_nick Really? It would be delicious to see both father and son on the battlefield in their leather thongs!
@@PR_nick Don't you agree?
I think this training exposes both the good and bad parts of an ancient world society
What were the bad parts?
@@folksurvival that you have no choice over anything you are forcefully molded into something you didn't choose
@@AlexGarcia-lp6mbalso you can get sent to wars that you have no say over and if you disagree you get beaten down until you either win the battle or die
Nice! Though I was expecting to get a reference to the sources from which the information was obtained, as you did in other videos. It makes the content immensely more trustworthy.
This method accomplished his goal for 150 years. Truth is, Sparta was a smaller nation who had to become a warrior dominance to prevent the constant oppression from larger Greek states...
@JasonBourne-yu4xd: why do you have the name of my favorite movie character?? :)
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“In my youth, we learned obedience!” - Kratos
I encourage the viewers here to research what Spartan society (what did it mean to be a citizen?) was founded on and what its immense, albeit relatively short-lived, success really rested upon. Yes, its warriors were impeccably hard, but what kind of resources were required to build and support a military of such a caliber? It is a major point of discussion, relevant even in a video about training of citizen boys. Here's a start to this scholastic journey: Crypteia
What immense success? They only ever controlled one third of the Peloponnese
We did not acquire these fields by being farmers...
To make an ommelete you need to break some eggs
And to have a powerful society you need the purge some helots
@@j.m.d.a1496 no. Rome did almost all of its conquests of the backs of its free class of farmers
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl you know Rome has slaves right?
Everything I heard in this video made sense of the "300" movie directed by Zack Snyder. It did a great job of reflecting those teachings that Spartans had. I remember a scene in the movie where two Spartans compete as to how many Persians they killed on the battlefield.
Id love to see Mamluk or Mongol training videos too!
The most ferocious in my opinion
The spirit of Sparta dwells within, few and far between, the loyal kin
No wonder their army was a beast. Literally almost everything promoted insane testorone in the men.
This is an awesome video. I learned so much thank you for sharing it.
Loved it! I was interested in their exact training routine, thats why i clicked video lol
But that was also great, we need more of these videos brother!
First video I've seen on this channel, so packed with actual knowledge 🙏
No, he did not tell about the sexual thing.
Imagine how dangerous this kind of soldier could be in a bar fight today...
Awesome video! Thanks for your efforts!
Wow absolutely based... Wish the society was like this now
i hope you aren't American
great video, thanks for the huge amount of information!
For an entire society I think that it's a little too much in the modern day but his principles were sound and make perfect sense. Which is also why Special Operations Soldiers are trained this way and live this kind of lifestyle today. Because it's very effective.
They aren't trained that way at all.
The SAS recruits men who are independent thinkers. In operations they are indeed highly disciplined but NOT regimented like Spartans.
Nutrition is given a very high priority and physical abuse of recruits is brief and for a specific purpose, so they understand what torture might be like. But it's NOT done with a vague notion of toughening you up and it's not routine. SAS troopers wouldn't tolerate that stupidity because they're not indoctrinated.
You're so far from the reality, imagining that this is how special forces are produced.
in what way is it too much? kids already have p.e but they half *** it, a spartan society would excel more today
@@procrastinatingrn3936 excel at what?
@@procrastinatingrn3936agreed! Definitely not too much! In my country all boys are trained from young to be regimental soldiers and are later conscripted into the army as well. They serve as reservists well into old age. It's a fantastic system but nowhere close to the Spartan regime. We need to bring the Spartan system back for men!
Any young man who watched this video and most importantly, took action, will be a winner one day.
Yes!! They will be real men one day! Bring back spartan regime for men!
The tips I could gather from this :
- Be respectful to everyone
- Only speak when spoken to
- Keep your gaze on the road
- Walk barefoot as much as possible
- Take cold showers
- Don't focus on extensive muscle growth, but instead on optimal physical performance
Why would you want to take tips from a wardriven society who was unable to create their own legacy or value? Other Greek city states also valued physical fitness and discipline but also was capable of nurturing the mind with philosophers and artists and mathematics.
@@skate5652 other Greek states didn't hold hordes upon hordes of Persian infantry in a battle, with only a handful of soldiers
what where you saying about legacy/value again?
@@skate5652 Athens might have had more philosophers but if you rear a bit of the ancient Greek texture you'll soon notice that the Spartans actually were philosophers in the real life and done in action all there incredible things that philosophers suggest.
Even philosophers like Socrates and Plato believed that Sparta have a better system.
@@spantsoputio8654 the Spartans created a form of warfare specifically suited for their geography and they were very good at it. Being good only at destruction is not what it means to be a whole and complete man. Also, if you recall, the Persians literally won that war.
@@skate5652 it's an interesting video and I'm trying to subtract the good things from it, for me and others.
Perfection absolute perfection!!
I think lycurgus is actually a genius, the techniques he implemented are used today! quite impressive
He definitely is! Which techniques are still used today? Our men today are nothing compared to the Spartans!
It would’ve been nice to have some personal accounts like journal entries, battle recaps, or key social benchmarks to determine the exact impact of this method.
maybe there is, but if you haven’t noticed they’re trying to make young boys girls and vice versa so any masculinity teachings are avoided.
just compare your average kid to the average spartan kid: spartan had the best of warriors teaching their way to young kids, now you have fat gender neutral sjw teaching your kid.
young spartan kids would train in their free time now a kid just watched social media and spends little time outside.
I read a book about the Spartans. There was once an attack on there city and a solider woke up naked and rushed to join the fight against intruders in his city. So he fought naked just with his sword . You think they would of gave him a medal .Instead they fined him like some many thousands of dollars in todays currency . The reason was a Spartan always had to be fully armored before a battle .That was mandatory, and one would be fined if they did not have there full armor on.
@@charleskerry845 So spartans slept in their armour? Thats ridiculous! He should have been celebrating for fighting like that! In fact I would prefer if my husband or men in general went to war like that. If my city were under any threat I would want all the men to immediately remove their clothing and head to battle in their THONGS!
@@Fat-Queen you could not figure that one out?
@@charleskerry845 figure what out?
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Cosimo said:
If anyone (like the Spartan) should raise his children on a farm, make them sleep in the open, go with head and feet bare, bathe in cold water in order to harden them to endure vicissitudes, so that they then might love life less and fear death less, he would be praised by few and followed by none. So that dismayed at these ways of living, he presently leaves the ways of the ancients, and in imitating antiquity, does only that which he can with little wonderment.
-Machiavelli, Niccolo The Art of War Book I
The Sparties didn't live on a farm. That would be the helots. Manual labor for them was disgraceful. A sign of a slave
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl That´s stupid. Of course they could do manual labor, and did tons of it... It was just always for military reasons or training, like building a bridge, climbing the steep wall of a rocky mountain, and the hardest manual labor of all, WAR itself. Manual labor to earn a living and for profit reasons was maybe disgraacefull, indeed.
@@klausbrinck2137 you don't seem to understand the nature of a slave society. In these societies doing manual labor is to be slave like and to lower your dignity.
And oh God was Sparta a slave society. It had a absurd free to slave ratio of 5 slave to one free man { that is the moderate estimate others claim 7 to 1} to put this into perspective. The American South had a ratio of two free to one and Athens had half of its population slaves.
They needed their enslaved classes for everything because they literally were forbidden by law to have a job
But I think it is worth stressing just how extreme the division of labor was. Helots did all of the labor, because the Spartiates were quite possibly the least productive people to ever exist (the perioikoi presumably also produced a lot of goods for the spartiates, but being free, one imagines they had to be compensated for that out of the only economic resource the spartiates possessed: the produce of helot labor). The spartiates were forbidden from taking up any kind of productive activity at all (Plut. Lyc. 24.2). Lysander is shocked that the Persian prince Cyrus gardens as a hobby (Xen. Oec. 4.20-5), because why sully your hands with labor if you don’t have to? Given the normal divisions of household labor (textile production in the Greek household was typically done by women), it is equally striking that not one of Plutarch’s “Sayings of Spartan Women’ in the Moralia concerns weaving, save for one - where a Spartan woman shames an Ionian one for being proud of her skill in it (Plut. Mor. 241d). Xenophon confirms that spartiate women did not weave, but relied on helot labor for that too (Xen. Lac. 1.4)
OH and about doing the hardest labor of all war parts. The helots were also made to fight. We are told by Herodotus that the Spartans brought 35,000 helots to fight at Plataea (479 B.C., Hdt. 9.28.2) and helot forces of light infantry appear elsewhere in the sources.The helots seem to have comprised essentially the entire Spartan logistical system - carrying food and supplies
@@klausbrinck2137 spartiates, after all, lived a live of leisure (Plut. Lyc. 24.2) supported by the labor of slaves (Plut. Lyc. 24.3), where the closest they got to actual productive work was essentially sport hunting (Xen. Lac. 4.7).
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl And you don´t seem to understand the nature of things happening in another time than yours... Still 150-100 years ago, what Sparta did, was the norm all over the world, and has been too, everywhere back then. States were usually kingdoms, like Persia, where everyone is the property and slave of the king. Greeks weren´t that bad, cause many states had already democracy (Athens and allies), or at least a di-archy (2 kings, like in Sparta, still more democratic than in persian monarchy), where slavery is legal, but the citizens cannot be slaves !!! That´s one of the biggest steps in human civilisation: Instead of everybody possibly being a slave, now only defeated foreign invaders from another country can become slaves !!! So, the Greeks would use the POWs of wars with foreign countries as slaves, and also the citizens, who cannot pay their debts back, who instead of going to prison, they had to work for the entity they owe money to.
First: Spartans were special among Greeks, and disliked, for having greek-POWs as their slaves, which was harshly critisized by other Greeks, since only foreign captured soldiers and Greeks who owe you money, were allowed to become slaves...
Second: The Helots were in Messinia, an enslaved greek-state to the west of the spartan greek-state (guarded and living there among themselves, but producing a lot and keeping just enough to survive, forced to give the rest to Sparta), and the Spartans weren´t a minority, but a default, normal greek-state, like any other of them over-600-greek-states. But the people of the state to the west of them, was producing for them. No Helot had to be the servant of a Spartan, or maybe some were working in the Palace, but in general, the Helots were living in THEIR state, separate from the Spartans, and had no contact to them, and the Spartans would guard the borders, so that no Helot can leave his state, but stays there and works. Every year the Helots would go to war against the Spartans, to turn the situation over, but the Spartans would always win, for centuries. But the Helots have also become a big military power, after so many years of waging war with Sparta
It's the perfect experiment which turned to reality not bad,but the one who has that much power to authorise how they did things is an opening
We need this in the states
4:39 I would completely agree with this today, if it was up for a vote, this vote would have my full support, we have a week spoiled generation today that doesn’t care about anything and takes their freedom for granted
You think its ok to throw disabled kids in a ditch and leave them to die?
freedom should be taken for granted. it should be something that's normal and expected for everyone
So, you basically agree on a fucked up and dictatorial education system of the youngsters. Nice
Forcing respect through beatings doesn't seem like the best option to me, but... You do you I guess 🤷♀️
Oh, and also, weak*
@@tonyisnotdead the words of an absolute FOOL
@@Tuxita99
Let’s get one thing straight, kids don’t have the same rights as adults for a reason because they need to be taught how to be adult, and beating children isn’t as alien of a concept as you would think, teachers here use to be allowed to hit us back in the 80s and down in Texas some counties still allow it with the parents written consent of course
this made me want to learn more about Licurgus (both of them)
Lykurgos, means something like "working with wolves" or maybe "a Wolf´s-work". Luca or Lucian are other names containing the word "wolf". During the translation of greek into latin, "y" is often replaced with an "u", since the small-case-greek-"y" looks identical to the small-case-latin-"u" (greek: Υ,υ latin Y,y U,u)
Read Sparta and its Law
W camera man for getting the videos of the spartans
can you do a video on the spartan girls and women next please?
They had an 8-pack.
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@@jonbaxter2254 them boys a 16-pack then
If you are wondering why there is so little of Ancient Sparta left, I give you one name. Abbe Michel Fourmont. It turns my stomach every time I read about his ''endeavours''. Who knows what our image of the Spartans would be like if it weren't for him, and others like him.
If the world was fair, our image of Sparta would be a image of a bunch of slaving, pedophilic racists who spend their entire existance being terrified of slave revolts, who then procceded to collapse once a rival city-state forced Sparta to free their slaves.
The teachings were adequate for the times,
and many of those teachings are really useful in order to be an upstanding example of a man.
It's very interesting that what they wanted to achieve was absolute victory, or nothing at all
Since family life was secondary to this, I'd say that the samples of manhood this produced would be pretty weak in terms of functioning as a man. All this produced was people capable of military violence.
@@DanBeech-ht7sw Thats not true, fighting for and defending his country and family is the highest function of a man. By defending his family, his family is obviously not secondary to him! If there is any security threat or even war, I would want my husband to be on the frontlines fighting in his leather THONG!
@@Fat-Queen you can project your personal values onto Spartan society all you like but it wasn't like that
@@DanBeech-ht7sw but it was, these men trained their entire lives to protect and defend. Protecting their country means protecting their families. You can't tell me that that isn't functioning masculinity. Would you defend your nation in your briefs? I doubt it!
@@Fat-Queen You are completely ignoring what we know to be true today - you cannot raise children the way Spartans raised theirs without causing profound psychological damage.
You are assuming some kind of ethical reason for "defending their families" when in fact they were probably just defending their privileges.
I call that MALfunctioning "masculinity".
Lots of people are prepared to defend their nation in an emergency - but they don't come at it from a position of extended, extensive childhood abuse.
Have you heard of the Turkish Muslim soldier-fanatics called Janissaries? Would you call them normal? I put it to you that they were equally as messed up in the head as the Spartans.
I love these kinds of videos
That is not 'heavy discipline & respect', it is fear. There is a difference. Respect is earned, fear is forced.
Respect can be earned through fear
So in current times no one actually respects the law? People only fear it? I mean that is probably true when you think about it.
False, difference is in outcome, from fear you gain trauma only and bad things, from discipline and respect you gain a lot of positive things that improve you, stay soft boy
From being in the Marines I say he had a good system
@Not Convinced suffering
@Not Convinced real like
@Not Convinced rea life
@@unforkyours3lf730 did you they send you to kill the enslaved population to keep them in check through terror?
Same, brother
brother. i feel so sigmafied due to the prosperities that this video brings. I've never felt this sigma before i even changed my iphone cover to a lion just because of this thank you.
sigma out
this is a perfect example of the fact that not all of the answers we search for align with our ethical beliefs. The dude was brutal but he crafted some of the most disciplined people around. Ethics are still important though because yea they achieved alot but at what cost.
i mean they still fell so i guess not
Ethics only exist to deceive your enemies while you backstab them. You would make a terrible Spartan, as well as a terrible modern human.
@gamesbulshitery9395 did they fall, or just rebrand themselves under new names and bloodlines that still control your silly modern world?
This video basically summarises what happens at English boys' public schools (minus the war-dancing, whips, and bathing in cold rivers).
Good job Lycurgus! Nowadays too many kids are raised to be weak. We could really use more discipline and stoicism.
That's what happens when you let others teach your children
While you aren't getting a girl 😂 religion was the last thing that made Marriages a reality. Now even with this all you can't get one, that's the society it's all about Genes.
Beautiful...
I'm going to use this to motivate my discipline!
Thank you so much for this!
Good luck, SPARTAN!
@@Fat-Queen1Hey! I'm back!
I pushed hard... But I'm not done. I still have a long way to go.
Thank you!
Sparta messed up when they discarded all those new borns. Who knows just how many people were lost . The full blooded Spartans were as low as 1000 when they fought Thebes.
that was not happening
they were too exclusive. They should've accepted more helot messenians
thats a myth, they actually through the prisoners not the children.
@@mustakman I highly doubt your claim . Many historians have wrote about this for thousands of years.
They had a stable society because of this method of training. We can learn a lot from them, specially in regards of our weak western society!
Most of their society was slaves and the rich did nothing but beat them and keep them broken which destroyed them over time
The spartans had a stable society? The spartans so terrified of slave revolts they spend their entire history being terrified of slave revolts? The same society that collapsed the second a neighboring city-state freed their slaves? That society?
We need to bring back the Spartan regime for men!!
@@Fat-Queen Uh, you do know that the spartans regime, in both meanings of the word, were one of the most abusive regimes ever?
@@The-Lazy-Dane Oh I am well aware! boys hauled off to the military at a young age, spending their entire lives being trained, regimented, disciplined, punished etc. Taught not to think but only to follow orders. I strongly believe obedience and discipline cannot just be taught to men, but must be drilled into them. We want an army of musclebound underwear clad military machines!
I think it’s the best type of system I agree with everything they were forced to do. We need that now
This is great training and upbringing!
The hardships of life are tested early, so when the real battles come, their faith doesn’t diminish based on rumors of the enemies victories, stature, and appearance.
YES! It needs to be brought back for men!
From epigenetics standpoint - having two parents who are in excelent physical form is very good for their offspring.
And not allowing cowards to breed etc.
I would give up ANYTHING IN THE WORLD to experience this. Damn that would be a challenge to be proud of for the rest of life! Long live the Spartan spirit!
Wow.. you are a real man! Bring back spartan regime for men!
Imagine asking from your poeple nowadays to be at their best since childhood with discipline, learning and that all community is involve. It will never work but individual who does that are called superhero today
Don't forget all the kids who were abandoned at birth for not being "healthy" or the corporal punishments they used, how the kids were abandoned for a year and had to steal to survive and if they were they would be severely beaten, the casual rape between men and boys.... Yeah sounds like the superheroes you want....
@@onesmallstepatthetime6914 I gladly forget them If its to give them a life of suffering and only misery and i question if you think about them in your daylli life ? yes i applaud the poeple who have a vision for a better life and stand for higher values because life is not easy if yiu want to achieve something even small. So yeah i stand by my comment. Thank you.
@@onesmallstepatthetime6914 ''for not being "healthy"'' That was performed by all cities in both ancient and medieval societes, not just Sparta. Eugenics existed everywhere. It's just that moderns have discovered abortion before birth, back then it was not possible to know if the baby was healthy before birth. Rapes only started happening after the Peloponnesian war. As for the corporal strikes(not punishments exactly but yes they were painful for sure) and how they were abandonded, there is no freedom without pain in this world. You only learn from yourself and become a fighter through being pushed to your limits. Compare that to two boxers going through training, which boxer would become the better one??? That one who exercises painfully with no rest and goes through endless beats and learns how to tolerate pain and fight back, or the one where ''being hit is forbidden'' and only goes through a ''pleasant'' training with no much pain involved?? Who do you think is going to be the winner??
will you whip them as a show for tourists?
@@jimakisspd
the other obviously
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can you do more about the Selucids.
Seleucids, Seleukids, "Selefkides" is the original greek name, since "u" following an "a/e" is pronounced like an "F". "Leukos" means "white", like in Leukemia (=white blood), a cancer where white-blood-cells multiply that fast, that the blood turns pale
Some I knew already but this expanded version makes me try to imagine living in that society and it mind-blowing...but if I were in it I guess that would be normal
wdell any society is normal if you grw up within it.. but its safe to say their greek contemporaries didnt look too fondly upon their methods
This should become normal again for men
there's a reason they have been remembered and are still being talked about 2000 years later. Anyone who says they're too brutal must have too many first world problems.
People are incapable of viewing ancient societies through any scope other than modern American liberalism. It's honestly pathetic how in every history video you'll find hordes of idiots crying about slavery and rough upbringings and the poor traumas of children.
I feel like aspects of the Lygurgius system is still in play with our modern western societies. However it would be neat to have a volunteer group to test this practice in full. Well maybe it would be considered unethical, but still it'd be interesting. I also wonder what would happen if I incorporate this system, at least partly into my own life. Though I'd imagine I'd have to cut myself off from the vices that make up my daily life, heck that might be a good thing actually.
It proved to be too rigid, and the spartan dominance of Greece was very short.
Athens fell to Makedonia, and Makedonia to Rome, western Rome to the Germans and eastern Rome to the Ottomans, but not Sparta included. It didn´t even fell to the Germans in WW2. Sparta was every second of its existence free. And the Spartans, kicking ottoman-ass for 500years, were the only warriors, when unarmed and untrained Greeks started their fight for independence from the Ottomans, which succeded .
@@klausbrinck2137 The sad truth is that no one conquered Sparta because no one cared. In roman times was a simple touristic place, without any of their original pride. Sparta fell over itself.
Never judge past ages through the eyes of today. But I can tell you this: People will always speak of Sparta.