I love that singular TH-cam videos with like 900k views or something is enough to make people self conscious enough to completely change their shit up. This is easily the most self conscious and not chill the world has been in a while. Western world at least
He relentlessly insults and dehumanizes safe targets. I guarantee you he only did that accent after careful consideration that it would only offend oppressors. Everything he does is calculated. That's the issue with him no longer saying bad words. It's not the words, it's that it's all out of fear and timidness.
It was a complex issue that everyone just ran through the culture war gender lens. Still dislike Idubbbz because he’s cringe and his content fell off but he’s right here. It’s just that every thing he says is dripping with that pretentious “I’m mature now” attitude.
"Let me make a video after all of the drama is over and all of the information is out so I can obfuscate the issue by bringing up tedious amounts of cherry-picked examples and make the false equivalence between being transgender and intersex!"
imagine making a video bringing awareness to an injustice on a women who trained for years to compete and makes it to a high level to represent your country just to be downplayed by millions of people, called a man by huge public figures when you are not, and this is your take. Crazy
Notice how idubbz is back to criticising people and spreading hate to the world again, after denouncing content cop? But this time its against the correct people, so its allowed. Hes really matured guys.
Hate this modern style of grifting Ian is now into. The idea that "because there's nuance to a particular conversation, the entire principle of those on one side is completely invalidated" is absolutely moronic. You can be right-wing and still have an informed opinion on this, regardless of what the shill talking heads are saying. Equating transgenderism with intersex people is stupid as hell
Where does he do what you accuse him of? Does he ever refer to right wingers in general or did you get that impression after he shat on a bunch of right wing pundits? The pundits drive the conversation. Also the "look test" is extremely common among conservatives if you don't look like a woman you aren't one. Literally just go talk to some dudes in blue collar work and they will all agree with the pundits.
@@tintom3t His quote about not continuing the path he was on is very telling. You people are the kind to ignore all the blatant subtext of what someone is saying in order to stick your heads in the sand and deny someone is saying what they clearly are. And no, most people will not tell you that looking like a man or woman is what makes you one. The focus on biology over identity is very right-wing actually. The fact that you think otherwise is delusional.
No one failed the chromosome test, though. There was some crazy stuff that went down in Russia that was challenged by every international boxing committee because it was so sketchy
@@DavidJones-ot8qu and if that's the case that's fair, doesn't really change my stance though, if you do fail one, that should be the disqualifyer as we do in other sports.
Looking into it, it seems she failed her testosterone tests, and we do also put limits to that in fighting sports too, she does seem to have male levels of testosterone despite being born a woman, I'd disqualify that personally for safety concerns in woman's boxing. But I'm not against setting a full limit on testosterone for women's sports altogether
@@BlackatchaproductionI'm curious to both u and OP, Would you call the woman who gave birth, despite failing the gender test, a "he"? If so, ok at least you're consistent. If not, what's the difference?
I'm conservative but this is a crazy argument if you were born a female you can compete in female sports genetic advantages are inherent to the best athletes it's no coincidence that the beat are the top genetically if your born a man and transition later you still have all the inherent advantages of a male and the body of a male
This is the right take, man. We can’t just say “Well Michael Phelps has no lactic acid so he can’t compete” -or we could, but it would be kinda silly because what advantage is/isn’t allowed at that point. But obviously trans people just probably don’t belong in sports
The thing is they are not really born as a female. Intersex is an outlier, since they are often born with both sex organs and doctors usually remove the less functioning one at birth. To me they are neither female or male and thats why they are usually called intersex.
Right, if you start excluding people because they happen to appear rather man-ish, then you need to start excluding people who naturally happen to have physical traits that enable them to excel at a certain sport. Like Floyd Mayweather should be banned from boxing because he doesn't match my pathetic body type. That's just insane.
There is a reason they are usually called intersex. They often have both and the less functioning gets removed at birth usually. The athlete here also failed the testosterone test on top of it.
@samuelm.2922 to be completely fair the only reason was because the entire world thought she was transgender. Both sides of the mainstream media were reporting that she was, and the entire internet thought so too. It was a solid week before it came out she was actually a genetic hermaphrodite. If it was widely known beforehand, I don't think it would have ever gone viral. And if it did, it would be discussing the possible advantages/disadvantages of her in the ring, not what she is or what she looks like. The issue was transgenderism in sports.
his whole channel before was him being a redditor lmao, kickstarter crap, content cop, always nitpicky shit, its just that his views changed so people act like its different than what he did before
@@brandon-et5vl Well, Reddit was different back when he did those things. The mods of popular subreddits have not gone insane yet and weren't yet triggerhappy with the ban hammer. Like people don't know this but the reason memes took off the way it did was because of Reddit back in 2014-2017. Reddit was a much better place back then. Now it's just a progressive echo chamber.
Why are they technically a woman and not technically a man? Who decides tht? They clearly have all the physical aspect of a biological man, so who the hell decided for them not to compete in the men’s division?
@@brosef5033 because she was born as woman, if she played in the men’s league she would get diffed in 30 seconds. All the testosterone in the world won’t change her female bone structure, which will always fundamentally restrict how much muscle mass her frame is capable of supporting. That being said she has the blood test levels of a female bodybuilder, and in any other context that would not be fair. If juicing isn’t allowed in the Olympics then neither should this be. I’m sorry but that’s just the way it is, you can’t compete in women’s events when you’re born like that.
The comments on his video is what gets me. "I'm glad I didn't go down that path" "Same, I'm glad I chose love" "Oh god, how horrible 2016 humor was, glad I grew empathy" Basically, some of the gayest comments you could ever read in internet history.
I love how idubbz gotcha is like 'You said shes transgender shes not transgender technically shes some other weird mix haha got youuuu' but imanes condition gives her basically all the benefits of being a full man which is the actual point people were making
But she’s not trans, either way they were wrong. Also misinformation is still misinformation? Also it’s dangerous for her considering she’s from a country that’s extremely hateful to trans people and gays.
This isn’t even true, Imane’s medical records were never released. Nobody knows her testosterone levels, or her chromosomes. This was never substantiated.
Tom wants to like idubbbz so much that he is flat out ignoring half of the cringe and completely unbelievable things Ian says. Ian has gone full blown leftoid and the good content isnt coming back. Put it to rest in peace tom.
The Idubbz video is just not entertaining. Nobody cares about this controversy anymore and everyone knows he’s going this hard because he’s still wrapped up in twitter discourse.
"Nobody cares about this controversy anymore" No, all these people got caught slandering a woman and they ghosted because she decided to stand up for herself and sue. The video was well done, you just don't like the subject matter. Some of y'all are desperate trash women and any man who supports them.
@@x3naurus Yes, and that disproves iDubbbz entire video. Chromosomes define biological gender. They are men with genetic defects which give them a biological advantage against women. Clear cut.
My only issue with his statistics argument is that a counter argument can be made the same way. He points out that 0.01 percent is a lot of people by showing examples of 0.001% stats. The problem is you could argue against his case by pointing out statistics of things that are 0.1%.
The thing with comparing naming conventions to genetic disorders seems like a huge stretch. You don't have to make any special accommodations for someone named Kaitlyn, they don't become stronger for being named Kaitlyn, but XY chromosomes provide benefits that the other boxers would not have providing an unfair advantage. He does make a lot of good points just a couple jokes felt flat because they seemed politically charged, but overall good video.
Yep the comparison is ridiculous. I have genetic disorder that causes me to have a worse body than other people, put me in sports and I have any huge disadvantage. biological conditions cause physical differences, which you need to listen to get diagnosed, you basically need to show the person is not "normal' names do not have all of that attcahed.
Yeah, especially considering a lot of people go out of their way to come up with names that are dissimilar to the names of the people around them, especially when it comes to spelling. I've seen sisters hold grudges against each other for naming their children the same name they wanted to give their kids lol.
he wasn't equating names to genetic conditions or biological sex, he was just highlighting how there is a false perception that intersex people and trangender people are an unfathomable rarity in the world, when in reality it's relatively common.
Let’s just be honest, it’s unfortunate but most of the actual women being accused of being men is due to both the trans controversies and the fact that they kinda look mannish.
this woman was called trans because she has male chromosomes and failed a sex test NOT just bc she is ugly. idiots ran with it being just bc they thought she is ugly but there is a legitimate consideration to be made about people with different chromosomes competing against each other
Ian completely ignoring the fact the two women are XY chromosomed giants with an unfair advantage turning it into a debate about trainspeople and some people acting like it isn't just sad is interesting to see.
Reading is essential: "While representatives of the fighters and the IOC insist the fighters were “born women, raised as women and always competed as women”, critics, including some of their opponents at Paris 2024, have speculated that perhaps the fighters have DSD. Because these genetic variations are so many and so varied, some experts say it’s impossible to establish that everyone with a Y chromosome is a male and everyone without a Y chromosome is a female. “Just looking at the presence of a Y chromosome on its own does not answer the question of whether someone is male or female,” says Prof Alun Williams, who researches genetic factors related to sport performance at the Manchester Metropolitan University Institute of Sport. “It’s obviously a very good marker, as most people with a Y chromosome are male…but it’s not a perfect indicator.” For some people with DSD, the Y chromosome is not a fully formed typical male Y chromosome. It may have some genetic material missing, damaged or swapped with the X chromosome, depending on the variation. When it comes to being male or female, what is usually crucial is a specific gene called SRY - which stands for ‘sex-determining region of the Y chromosome’."
Another thing, do a modicum of research on these supposed tests and the org that published the results, their credibility is six feet under, they've been officially stripped of their status, and they have ties to russian leadership, showing a clear alterior motive as they published these results, with no disclosure of any kind of proof, just three days after imane defeated azalia amineva, a previously undefeated russian boxer. And obviously imane's disqualification in 2023 meant that azalia became "undefeated" once again. The parroting of talking points without any critical thinking is truly sad, not to mention the absolute hollywood brainrot you have if you think women can't naturally just look like that
its only when random feminists want to change entire sets of rules in male sports to fit whatever they think, women doing any sports in their own category is fine and good actually
@@bruhmonet3904he avoided the main point of both fighters having male chromosomes and played outdated conservative talking head points. They're not trans, they also shouldn't be allowed to compete with women who aren't biological anomalies
I think it's cause the combo of stache and buzz makes him look like a dad. His shirt is similar to one a grandpa that rides Harley bikes would wear, and a lot of the time those kinds of button ups and polos are the one worn by bowlers, a lot of times in tv shows and movies you'd see at least six guys that look like that on screen during bowling.
The media initially reported her as a transgender and that didn’t pass an XY test. That’s why everyone knew about it before the first match and it wasn’t even verified till days after the first match. If it was the only thing I was known worldwide for, I probably would have made it clear before that first match.
to be clear it was never verified, the org that published the results never disclosed any details, has ties to russian leadership, and was stripped of it's official status last year. Not to mention they came out with these test results right after imane beat a previously undefeated russian boxer, Azalia Amineva, in the 2023 world championships, and conveniently imane's subsequent disqualification three days later reverted that boxer's status back to undefeated. If anything that's what people should be making clear but apparently we all love mother russia so much these days
I feel like he kinda dunked on himself by saying that they reportedly had XY chromosomes and than said that the people claiming they were men had no proof
@Sable2322 this is literally how people know she has male chromosomes and is intersex, literally a genetic anomaly who probably shouldn't be allowed to compete
Kind of an irrelevant video from idubbbz. I mean I agree people jumped to conclusions about this woman’s sex, but it also feels like this was the exception to the rule. 9 times out of 10 when society sees a man competing in women’s sports, it’s a legit man. Not a biological anomaly. And he made this video long after people stopped caring. Ian didn’t mature. This is a desperate attempt to distance himself from his old content when he could’ve still made his old content, minus the n word. He tries convincing himself and his audience that he’s matured, but this feels like he just went backwards and then learned a bunch of pseudo-progress nonsense. You were ahead of your time before, Ian. Only mouth breathers are convinced otherwise.
Naw Destiny would find this infuriating. Destiny hates when you bog down conversations about institutions or policies with a bunch of unrelated anecdotes.
@@TheLikenessOfNormal yeah, _Destiny is so higher class than that goof, Ian._ Especially when he copy/pastes wiki articles, neglects his kid, and applauds when innocent people get merkd.
On one hand, I understand the side of the argument where individuals who were born as biological males should not be permitted to compete in women's division sports (transgender or not). Whether you disagree or not, it is 100% an unfair advantage due to the physical differences. However, Imane Khelif was proven to NOT be a man. This was debunked. She was simply born with a set of chromosomes that give her more testosterone than women commonly born with XX chromosomes. Do these people even know that the country Khelif is from (Algeria) is one of the WORST countries for LGBTQ people to live? Like hell they would allow someone who is trans to compete for them. It's literally illegal to be openly homosexual and transgender there. I do feel bad for Angela Carini because I can't imagine training for a moment most of your life; only to tap out near the beginning of the match because you feared for your life after a few punches. It seems a bit unfair and I have no clue if they were in the same weight class, but if your opponent can punch you like the Incredible Hulk, then that's not okay. I'm surprised that iDubbbz actually has some good takes in this video, though. I stopped watching his content years ago after the shift in his material (and I don't like Anisa at all for a variety of reasons). I kind of hope he does more stuff like this.
if your opponent is considerably stronger than you, you should lose. that's how combat sports work. it's not unfair that's how the competition works. if you're not able to withstand your opponent then you aren't going to win.
The name statistics argument is beyond stupid. You have a minute percentage chance to be named Kaitlyn because there are millions of potential names. You have a minute chance of being intersex, despite there being only 2 other available categories, male and female, which are split roughly down the middle. No matter what your politics are, that is a silly argument.
Also, I would think the pertinent stat isn’t just “percentage of population that is intersex”, but the smaller portion of THAT population that participates in competitive sports. To me, the argument is silly because his ultimate point is that the utilitarian value judgment that this smaller population’s happiness/wellbeing vs this larger population’s happiness/wellbeing is a bad way of looking at things since it doesn’t matter on an individual level (is it fair to tell someone they can’t do something they love because of factors they can’t control?) His video didn’t seem to go into weight classifications and pound for pound physical performance, which I would think is where the most fair (or least unfair) answer lies.
@Zed012 Deeper than that, if we look at height differences and weight classes, we're still presented with the problem of the physiological differences in the muscle mass for men and women. Relative to body mass, men have a higher percentage of muscle than women, particularly in the upper body, which is especially relevant to boxing. A 120lb woman vs a 120lb man of the same height still wouldn't be fair, since a higher percentage of his body is muscle. The same applies to someone who is intersex, because of the differences in their testosterone production.
@@amoebasheep Yeah, I completely agree with all that. What I’m thinking is there has to be some kind of classification system beyond just weight that more accurately measures relative performance to better match individuals regardless of sex characteristics. There are lots of complications (bone density, reaction times, etc.) to consider, but if you can make it a statistic you can normalize for it. The question is, would such a system be so unwieldy and complex that it would require a ton of resources just to figure out where a given athlete slots in?
@Zed012 agreed, but since all those factors can vary wildly not just between both sexes, but within them too, I just think it's near impossible unfortunately (or at least, more trouble than it's worth). Thank you for the interesting and civil dialogue by the way :)
@@amoebasheep Yeah, the whole situation is super tricky and I’d hate to limit someone due to factors outside of their control if they’re able to compete. I think the current rule of thumb of Age (little league, high school, post high school) then Physical Sex (male vs female) then Commitment Level (pro, semi pro, recreational, etc) then Weight Class (fly, welter, heavy, etc.) makes sense for the vaaaast majority of cases, with some additional considerations like physical/mental disability. It just doesn’t feel 100% just if it shuts someone out who has no ill intentions and wants to participate. It’s worth looking into every now and then to see if revisions can’t be made to accommodate more people’s situations. And I like to try having unheated conversations about these topics, since staying cool helps in exploring an issue. Not that I’m innocent of heated comments too, lol.
isn't idubbs taking the all the videos he uses out of context? To my understanding she is technically a woman, but doesn't she have a chromosome mutation that causes her to have hormonal anomalies that makes her body produce too much testosterone? If thats the case shouldnt she be restricted from fighting woman since she has an unnatural advantage that would be considered cheating for the average woman to have.
So then with that, at what point do we draw the line? Would we say that females who are "too good" aren't allowed to take part in order to level the playing field in a competitive sport? Could you elaborate on how a congenital mutation is "unnatural"? It would be one thing to exclude trans-women from female sports, but excluding someone becuse they won the genetic lottery over the "average woman" is just a slippery slope.
@@bjasshjaskjdhkasj "Wow you're a genetic freak, you can't possibly compete in the Oluypics! Only the best of the very best go there! But not you! You're TOO GOOD."
@@bjasshjaskjdhkasjHow are congenital mutations natural? By definition there has something gone wrong during gestation to cause a noticeable problem that usually gets diagnosed. "Congenital disorders are also known as congenital abnormalities, congenital malformations or birth defects." It is an abnormality aka not normal. Of course that doesn't mean people with those issues should be treated as disgusting freaks. But acknowledging they are different from the average person, and discussing those differences, is perfectly reasonable.
In regards to the bathroom argument, I dont think this should be an issue. Call me progressive, but I've had to deal with all gender bathrooms for 2 years in my previous college. I'm a female and it did bother me at first, but thinking realistically if I needed a "safe space" it would NOT be the womens bathroom.. there's no lock on those doors and all I would have between me and a potential attacker would be a flimsy stall door.. no thanks. About 98% of men I come across don't want to even talk to me, let alone try to hurt or follow me so I don't really see why we can't piss in adjacent stalls together. Who knows, maybe this is the band aid that the genders need to solve the ongoing war.
@pieswimmer1 I'm supposed to teach you Chromosome Sex Evolution?? It's my responsibility? No, you don't care to learn because ignorance makes your hatred seem righteous.
Yeah trans women can be respected as people without trampling on others. Stop competing with cisgender women. Why’re you so fixated on beating down on biological women? Seems incel like
The issue is, people are getting slightly caught up in the trans or not as the specific word choice. She's one of the rare outliers for not a man or woman. So put those people in a third category where they can mess around and do whatever.
The reason Tom took his side is the fact that there was no evidence that they were once men, so it would be kind of shallow to just say “she looks like a man so she is a man”.
Joe Rogan is completely right on the issue. It's not Trans phobic to not want a biological man to put on short shorts and beat women in women's sports. It's not even misinformation if it wasn't true why don't women transition and go into men's sports and compete. Even athletes who actually know what they are talking about say allowing men who are Trans to go in women's sports is wrong because biologically being in fact a man... gives them genetic advantages.
@@simpsondale6064 it's exactly what happened. Just because leftists like to lie all the time and get shit twisted to justify calling someone a transphobe doesn't mean everything they say is true.
@@simpsondale6064 he's also completely right about if men transition into a women they have massive biological advantages over women.... being a man and all... much more bone density and much more muscle potential.
@@noiminoimi1179 I know that a man is strong than a woman, and I also don’t think a trans women should compete with women. But you’re off in the weeds, she was born a women, what copium are you smoking still?
My ex was 5"9 and flat and she was a fully cis woman and she often complainedabout people assuming she was somewhat gender non conforming. It really bothered her.
In principle on helping people who may different, i don't disagree, but as chud already covered on the stream his arguments aren't great. The few exceptions in life are not the rule, they're exceptions for a reason. I would also like to point out that there is a quick set of points dropped before his last segment that are all different points, not what he was saying prior. Further he makes a comparison about names and rareity, however that is apples and oranges. To use his own statment at the end, he is essentially seeking to descriminate against a majority of women to satisfy a very small segment. The reasoning is based on fairness, so your efforts are irrelevant to that end. This is why we have weight classes and tests. If there was no difference and no reason to make destinctions, then there wouldn't be womens divisions.
For the record the dutch volleyball player was convicted according UK law, not dutch law. He is lucky in that sense cause if he was convicted under dutch law, he probly got more years in prison, but also put into a mental place, after his release, and once he would leave that( when they deem him ok enough to go outside "tbs"), he would have been monitored for the rest of his life pretty much, with restrictions. So do not blame it on the dutch, blame it on the english that this guy got off that easy, cause it was them who prosecuted him. I am pointing this out, cause I am sick of hearing americans saying our legal system is too soft, pointing to a example that has nothing to do with the dutch legal system.
"Sick of hearing our legal system is too soft" >CP still legal >Bestiality haven for freaks all over Europe, legally allowed to have bestiality porn and magazines until 2008 The Dutch are very hard on these degenerates for sure
@@carolean282 we actually banned it in the 1979 (drawn is also illegal, but I think that was later, under kabinet balkenende), but the Netherlands is basicly the port of europe, most meth, cocaine, cp and humans are being trafficked through either rotterdam/shiphol, to reach their destination somewhere in europe. So the numbers are kinda inflated. One issue that the Netherlands does have, is their poor cyber investigation and cyber security. For example, the dutch parlement still works with windows 95, and basicly doing wide spread internet sting operation are only done when it comes to terrorism, not when it comes to predators. Its kinda sad, cause even Turkey Tom got tricked into thinking CP was legal here somehow, because americans think we are this extreem liberal place, with playstations in our prisons and we all smoke weed, and apparently cp was legal until 10 years ago or something. While in reality, getting caught with cp, can give you possible tbs, which is a mental prison, where they only let you go if you dont oppose a danger to society anymore.
It's kinda funny watching chat and commenters having a hard time handling Tom's ability to respect a good iDubbbz video while having his opinions on the direction of his career. I thought that was the whole reason most of the fans were here, to get a well rounded commentary option. Odd!
yeah i feel like people are missing the point when they only focus on ONE person or aspect of this discourse. influencers & people on social media focusing on only Imane i feel like is a disservice to all women in sport. Imane is not the issue. they never were. it’s just what media picked up and ran with. and now subsequently what everyone else is talking about. there are much bigger issues right now for women than one person playing a sport imo.
weird to say this when ian literally shows garbage influencers rambling about how imane shouldn’t be able to fight. i think ian is a grifter saying the most obvious shit to stay relevant, sure, but lets not pretend like people didnt use imane’s situation to justify transphobia on most social media platforms.
I mean, I agree, but I think this shit has gotten to the point where it's been blown so insanely out of proportion. How many *actual* cases have there been of this kind of stuff even happening? It's just such a rare and niche concern yet I hear about it damn near on the daily. That's the only thing that makes me scratch my head.
"The male chromosome is the "Y" chromosome; males have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, while females have two X chromosomes, making the Y chromosome the defining factor for male sex determination." I dont understand where megyn or piers or joe or Any of them were wrong. Im not a biologist so i might be wrong, but unless you personally believe in the fluidity and spectrum of gender/sex, a "Y" coming up in your chromosome test makes you a man. Or at the VERY LEAST not fair to compete at the highest levels of womans sports.
This video would have been good if it came out before "no more mr nice simp" but now it's too little too late. It's not bad bad just kinda bad because bad takes are mixed in with mocking people's overreaction. If he was truthful and didn't try to pander it would be better. But then his LA friends and his BPD sidepiece would be upset that strayed from their agenda too much.
Sorry, Tom. I'm bowing out. Thought this would at least be a good cringe watch. But now it would seem that not only is Ian not funny, he's boring too. Doesn't help that he chose the most nothingburger topic that everyone stopped caring about the day after.
The coconut tree meme is pretty easy to understand, it's just another way of saying 'you think you just appeared out of thin air?, magically fell from the sky?' The 'you exist in the context of those who came before you' is saying 'no, you did not just magically appear, so be mindful of all of your ancestors who came before you, and the community who helped raise you.'. I cannot explain the sociopathic laughing though, that is just classic politician.
Kinda worried he starts back up content cop with his new personality. Imagine he comes back and only attacks people like our innocent sweetie Brett Cooper or something
I think it's a little hypocritical for iDubbbz to delete all of his Content Cop videos, citing spreading negativity as the reason, just to turn around and spread negativity towards people that challenge his ideology. The video itself was made pretty well and I wouldn't have a problem with it at all as long as it was not directly contradictory to his previous statements. You could try to say that it's negativity but for a positive cause, but that is exactly what the Content Cop series was made for, you can watch the Jinx episode where he explains what the series is for / about. It's immediately evident that he just reskinned Content Cop with Breadtuber overlays.
He essentially just traded in his "incel boy's club" who have the capacity to critically think for a bunch of yesmen that get all of their ideologies and beliefs from watching Hasan
*Edit:* I am no longer going to respond to the replies since everyone is behaving childish. *Original comment:* Imane Khelif is not transgender, JKR made it up and of course other people believed her and went along with it but Khelif is biologically female, she is not transgender and there was rumours about her being intersex as well but that is also false. She just happens to look masculine and produces a lot of testosterone but she is not transgender. There has been many cases where women’s DNA and hormone levels have matched a man’s because their estrogen levels are weak and they have more testosterone than they should. This can often cause women to be flat chested, more muscular and even extra hairy. But as long as they are born with ovaries and a uterus, they are still biologically female. JKR is becoming so obsessed with trans people that she is now starting to accuse anybody of being transgender, even non-transgender women. I feel really bad Khelif, she did not deserve any of that hatred and she won that medal fair and square.
@@MaxiemumKarnageHer weight could have given her more advantage, she was much bigger than the other girl but that would have been the organization’s fault for arranging the fight and not Khelif’s but yeah, they should keep the weight classes the same when it comes to fighting like how in WWE they always have heavyweight champions fight heavyweight competitors.
The IBA said she had XY chromosomes and was disqualified from competing because of it. I don't get what's difficult about that. A biological male whose genitals didn't develop, should not be boxing women, even if they live their lives as a woman. As the bald man points out, the catch all rule for things not caught by the handbook that would disqualify someone, such as being a man, can get them disqualified. It should be a shut case, Tom.
iDubz saw the "i hate this kind of guy" video so he shaved bald
He's shaved his head before
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It was starting to thin out on the sides.
I love that singular TH-cam videos with like 900k views or something is enough to make people self conscious enough to completely change their shit up. This is easily the most self conscious and not chill the world has been in a while. Western world at least
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IDubbbz making fun of an accent is a hint of the old him. I am sure he will apologize for doing it in the coming weeks.
he better apologise
He never actually changed. He's always been a phony
He relentlessly insults and dehumanizes safe targets. I guarantee you he only did that accent after careful consideration that it would only offend oppressors.
Everything he does is calculated. That's the issue with him no longer saying bad words. It's not the words, it's that it's all out of fear and timidness.
No it isn't. He's just doing fake edgy, do you think he would ever do an African accent?
@@californiavirus3566 But he has empathy now. Why would he be mean to people?
Considering iDubbz is an honorary woman now - he's allowed to speak about it.
He's not "standing up for women"- He's standing up for cross---dressing men, destroying the right of women and girls to fair sports.
Did Idubbz call himself a pro boxer? I guess in the most basic sense he paid himself to box.
I think people paid to watch
Yeah that was the only joke he made I actually laughed at.
He litterally showed his 1 loss 0 win record well saying that he was joking it was actually funny
It's like a step above the coaches sons being qb in little league.
He built himself a fu%$%ng event so he could be a "pro boxer"😂
It was obviously a joke
If you like new Idubbbz don't Talk Tuah me 🙄
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@@npcpitbull no yelling at 2 monkeys???
Pls stop 🤧🤧🤧
that was tough asf
Fuck man I hate that I laughed
We really going to listen to a guy who didn't go to his friend maxmoefoes wedding cause his wife wanted a tattoo
Absolute facts.
It was a complex issue that everyone just ran through the culture war gender lens. Still dislike Idubbbz because he’s cringe and his content fell off but he’s right here. It’s just that every thing he says is dripping with that pretentious “I’m mature now” attitude.
Idubbbz is going the Jamie Kilstein route
Anyone checked idubbz early life section yet??
@@davidabest7195 Don't you have middle school homework to do, fella?
@@TeamSprocket im in my 30s and have 2 jobs
also dont like idubbbz because hes cringe wtf are you talking about? his pretentious attitude is in the room with you alone
“I’m not going to listen to the opinions from losers” - a guy who lost twice at his own boxing event
Idubbz seems like he just wanted an easy W. He's talking about a subject nobody cares about anymore.
"Let me make a video after all of the drama is over and all of the information is out so I can obfuscate the issue by bringing up tedious amounts of cherry-picked examples and make the false equivalence between being transgender and intersex!"
I wouldn't say nobody. I still see people uninformed on the subject and complaining about it. It's a worthwhile subject in general.
Fr he should have done this a month ago
imagine making a video bringing awareness to an injustice on a women who trained for years to compete and makes it to a high level to represent your country just to be downplayed by millions of people, called a man by huge public figures when you are not, and this is your take. Crazy
Idk just look at the comments a whole lot of people still have no clue about it. Or they just saw the ragebait online about her being trans
Notice how idubbz is back to criticising people and spreading hate to the world again, after denouncing content cop? But this time its against the correct people, so its allowed. Hes really matured guys.
You reaching like crazy
@@tsakitx8190hello idumbbz burner account
Hate this modern style of grifting Ian is now into. The idea that "because there's nuance to a particular conversation, the entire principle of those on one side is completely invalidated" is absolutely moronic. You can be right-wing and still have an informed opinion on this, regardless of what the shill talking heads are saying. Equating transgenderism with intersex people is stupid as hell
Where does he do what you accuse him of? Does he ever refer to right wingers in general or did you get that impression after he shat on a bunch of right wing pundits? The pundits drive the conversation. Also the "look test" is extremely common among conservatives if you don't look like a woman you aren't one. Literally just go talk to some dudes in blue collar work and they will all agree with the pundits.
@@tintom3t His quote about not continuing the path he was on is very telling. You people are the kind to ignore all the blatant subtext of what someone is saying in order to stick your heads in the sand and deny someone is saying what they clearly are. And no, most people will not tell you that looking like a man or woman is what makes you one. The focus on biology over identity is very right-wing actually. The fact that you think otherwise is delusional.
It's a grift if it doesn't align with your views is what im taking away from your comment.
@@__prometheus__ it's a grift if your beliefs change when you can no longer make money off them, yes.
@@tintom3t TH-cam keeps deleting my comment, so whatever. You are delusional.
Can we just acknowledge idubbz is basically a bread tuber now. Oh how the mighty have fallen
cross out the basically. The vid of idubbz was pretty hard to watch, he seems insufferable now
And it seems like Tom may be following soon. 🤣
@@SinEater_17:33
He was actually spouting pro culmyunzzt talking points with his -wife- handler on his podcast. It's pretty official.
@@OstosiosManamenglmao bc he wasn’t just regurgitating garbage from your side? lol
To my understanding, if you fail a Chromosome test you shouldnt be allowed to compete, we do that for many sports already
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No one failed the chromosome test, though. There was some crazy stuff that went down in Russia that was challenged by every international boxing committee because it was so sketchy
Russia lied, shes just like phelps, genetically gifted
@@DavidJones-ot8qu and if that's the case that's fair, doesn't really change my stance though, if you do fail one, that should be the disqualifyer as we do in other sports.
Looking into it, it seems she failed her testosterone tests, and we do also put limits to that in fighting sports too, she does seem to have male levels of testosterone despite being born a woman, I'd disqualify that personally for safety concerns in woman's boxing. But I'm not against setting a full limit on testosterone for women's sports altogether
Imane Khelif is more of a professional male boxer than IDubbbz is
Well no shit, she's an olympian.
Idubbz literally hosted his own boxing matches twice, lol. He's far from even resembling an amatuer journeyman.
@@zakkziegler111 I said “professional MALE boxer” otherwise it wouldn’t have been as good of a joke.
@@zakkziegler111 you mean he
@@Blackatchaproductionno he means your mom
@@BlackatchaproductionI'm curious to both u and OP,
Would you call the woman who gave birth, despite failing the gender test, a "he"? If so, ok at least you're consistent. If not, what's the difference?
Do the Charleston Tom
Tom ducking the Charleston allegations
He already did
I'm conservative but this is a crazy argument if you were born a female you can compete in female sports genetic advantages are inherent to the best athletes it's no coincidence that the beat are the top genetically if your born a man and transition later you still have all the inherent advantages of a male and the body of a male
This is the right take, man. We can’t just say “Well Michael Phelps has no lactic acid so he can’t compete” -or we could, but it would be kinda silly because what advantage is/isn’t allowed at that point. But obviously trans people just probably don’t belong in sports
Yes but at the same time it’s quite the mutation so it’s kinda complex
The thing is they are not really born as a female. Intersex is an outlier, since they are often born with both sex organs and doctors usually remove the less functioning one at birth.
To me they are neither female or male and thats why they are usually called intersex.
Right, if you start excluding people because they happen to appear rather man-ish, then you need to start excluding people who naturally happen to have physical traits that enable them to excel at a certain sport. Like Floyd Mayweather should be banned from boxing because he doesn't match my pathetic body type. That's just insane.
There is a reason they are usually called intersex. They often have both and the less functioning gets removed at birth usually. The athlete here also failed the testosterone test on top of it.
Most harassment and misogynistic bullying I tend to experience is from hardcore liberals, especially the men
It’s 50/50 men and women for me
Ive only ever actually been harrassed or experienced misogyny from liberal men/women as well.
You watched a video on conservative men dog piling on a woman and your immediate response was to say “yeah but liberal men” lol.
@@samuelm.2922 considering I was onto the bullying/sexism portion, yes, also since this is a daily experience, yes.
@samuelm.2922 to be completely fair the only reason was because the entire world thought she was transgender. Both sides of the mainstream media were reporting that she was, and the entire internet thought so too. It was a solid week before it came out she was actually a genetic hermaphrodite. If it was widely known beforehand, I don't think it would have ever gone viral. And if it did, it would be discussing the possible advantages/disadvantages of her in the ring, not what she is or what she looks like. The issue was transgenderism in sports.
Idubbbz been acting like he’s an ex clansman like bruh stfu🤣
wrong video for that criticism of him. he never once mentioned his past
@@Sup-ng7un in general
@@Sup-ng7un"Im glad I stopped going down this path"
@@Sup-ng7un he means overly repenting
idubbbz going full redditor is not something I would've ever expected 5 years ago.
calling out injustice on women = redditor
@@EeanSenter It's the same as virtue signalers saying, "racism is wrong ☝🤓".
his whole channel before was him being a redditor lmao, kickstarter crap, content cop, always nitpicky shit, its just that his views changed so people act like its different than what he did before
@@brandon-et5vl Well, Reddit was different back when he did those things. The mods of popular subreddits have not gone insane yet and weren't yet triggerhappy with the ban hammer. Like people don't know this but the reason memes took off the way it did was because of Reddit back in 2014-2017. Reddit was a much better place back then. Now it's just a progressive echo chamber.
@@KenLinxprogressivism isn’t necessarily bad lol
i really couldnt care less idubbz is cringe
The subject he is talking about does matter. Especially compared to the regular slop you probably consume given that you're here on TDL
@@x3naurus we are content with the slop, anything more than that is cringe, not based or skibidi
idubbbz is cringe but in this case he's right. For the most part.
Anyone who can't admit to that is either insecure or a moron.
@@christurner6330 In Skibidi we trust
No it doesnt lmao just ban them and its better for everyone@@x3naurus
"They are technically a woman"
Then say she
She are technically women
Bro is onto nothing
Why are they technically a woman and not technically a man? Who decides tht? They clearly have all the physical aspect of a biological man, so who the hell decided for them not to compete in the men’s division?
@@brosef5033 because she was born as woman, if she played in the men’s league she would get diffed in 30 seconds. All the testosterone in the world won’t change her female bone structure, which will always fundamentally restrict how much muscle mass her frame is capable of supporting. That being said she has the blood test levels of a female bodybuilder, and in any other context that would not be fair. If juicing isn’t allowed in the Olympics then neither should this be. I’m sorry but that’s just the way it is, you can’t compete in women’s events when you’re born like that.
@@Conman-albuquerqueyou will use “is” with “she”. Nice try smartass.
Idubbz only became a "nice guy" when it became o a profitable grift.
Hey bro! Why don’t I ever see you active in the stream chat? What’s up with that? Say hello, don’t be scared!
Your entire career is commenting on TH-cam atleast make it coherent
@BotRaper
I've seen you repeat the same comment about IDubbz at least three times now
Yes as reflected by his booming view count lmao
The comments on his video is what gets me.
"I'm glad I didn't go down that path"
"Same, I'm glad I chose love"
"Oh god, how horrible 2016 humor was, glad I grew empathy"
Basically, some of the gayest comments you could ever read in internet history.
They have empathy, until someone slightly disagrees with anything that they think.
I love how idubbz gotcha is like 'You said shes transgender shes not transgender technically shes some other weird mix haha got youuuu' but imanes condition gives her basically all the benefits of being a full man which is the actual point people were making
I doubt her test is over 100 Ng/Dl definitely not a full man
But she’s not trans, either way they were wrong. Also misinformation is still misinformation? Also it’s dangerous for her considering she’s from a country that’s extremely hateful to trans people and gays.
This isn’t even true, Imane’s medical records were never released. Nobody knows her testosterone levels, or her chromosomes. This was never substantiated.
Now that Idubbz is a breadtubber he should be trans by next year
Tom wants to like idubbbz so much that he is flat out ignoring half of the cringe and completely unbelievable things Ian says. Ian has gone full blown leftoid and the good content isnt coming back. Put it to rest in peace tom.
I'd love to know even one thing he was wrong about in this video. Please let us know OG
@@x3naurus That he is a professional boxer
@@oldgamescenes it's an obvious joke
@@x3naurusHe described himself as a radical trans activist. This nibba fell off so hard
@@oldgamescenesthat’s a joke😭
The Idubbz video is just not entertaining. Nobody cares about this controversy anymore and everyone knows he’s going this hard because he’s still wrapped up in twitter discourse.
"Nobody cares about this controversy anymore"
No, all these people got caught slandering a woman and they ghosted because she decided to stand up for herself and sue.
The video was well done, you just don't like the subject matter. Some of y'all are desperate trash women and any man who supports them.
Tests on both Khelif and Yu-Ting revealed XY chromosomes in their systems.
Idubbz says this in the video
@@x3naurus Yes, and that disproves iDubbbz entire video. Chromosomes define biological gender. They are men with genetic defects which give them a biological advantage against women. Clear cut.
LMFAOOOOO
I don’t know how Tom missed this point. They have male DNA, they are male.
My only issue with his statistics argument is that a counter argument can be made the same way. He points out that 0.01 percent is a lot of people by showing examples of 0.001% stats. The problem is you could argue against his case by pointing out statistics of things that are 0.1%.
The thing with comparing naming conventions to genetic disorders seems like a huge stretch. You don't have to make any special accommodations for someone named Kaitlyn, they don't become stronger for being named Kaitlyn, but XY chromosomes provide benefits that the other boxers would not have providing an unfair advantage. He does make a lot of good points just a couple jokes felt flat because they seemed politically charged, but overall good video.
Yep the comparison is ridiculous. I have genetic disorder that causes me to have a worse body than other people, put me in sports and I have any huge disadvantage. biological conditions cause physical differences, which you need to listen to get diagnosed, you basically need to show the person is not "normal' names do not have all of that attcahed.
Yeah, especially considering a lot of people go out of their way to come up with names that are dissimilar to the names of the people around them, especially when it comes to spelling. I've seen sisters hold grudges against each other for naming their children the same name they wanted to give their kids lol.
he wasn't equating names to genetic conditions or biological sex, he was just highlighting how there is a false perception that intersex people and trangender people are an unfathomable rarity in the world, when in reality it's relatively common.
Let’s just be honest, it’s unfortunate but most of the actual women being accused of being men is due to both the trans controversies and the fact that they kinda look mannish.
In this case at least, it's a massive woman with male chromosomes smashing down regular women which is sus
true, but no one will ever recognize this.
@@pakrinuk7526 Sar I am right sar
this woman was called trans because she has male chromosomes and failed a sex test NOT just bc she is ugly. idiots ran with it being just bc they thought she is ugly but there is a legitimate consideration to be made about people with different chromosomes competing against each other
Well and the fact that they were disqualified and labeled men by the International Boxing Association.
"The opinions of losers are not going to be considered."
Said by guy who has never won a boxing match.
Ian looks like he hangs out behind a bowling alley.
Alright alright alright
Ian completely ignoring the fact the two women are XY chromosomed giants with an unfair advantage turning it into a debate about trainspeople and some people acting like it isn't just sad is interesting to see.
Reading is essential:
"While representatives of the fighters and the IOC insist the fighters were “born women, raised as women and always competed as women”, critics, including some of their opponents at Paris 2024, have speculated that perhaps the fighters have DSD.
Because these genetic variations are so many and so varied, some experts say it’s impossible to establish that everyone with a Y chromosome is a male and everyone without a Y chromosome is a female.
“Just looking at the presence of a Y chromosome on its own does not answer the question of whether someone is male or female,” says Prof Alun Williams, who researches genetic factors related to sport performance at the Manchester Metropolitan University Institute of Sport.
“It’s obviously a very good marker, as most people with a Y chromosome are male…but it’s not a perfect indicator.”
For some people with DSD, the Y chromosome is not a fully formed typical male Y chromosome. It may have some genetic material missing, damaged or swapped with the X chromosome, depending on the variation.
When it comes to being male or female, what is usually crucial is a specific gene called SRY - which stands for ‘sex-determining region of the Y chromosome’."
Another thing, do a modicum of research on these supposed tests and the org that published the results, their credibility is six feet under, they've been officially stripped of their status, and they have ties to russian leadership, showing a clear alterior motive as they published these results, with no disclosure of any kind of proof, just three days after imane defeated azalia amineva, a previously undefeated russian boxer. And obviously imane's disqualification in 2023 meant that azalia became "undefeated" once again. The parroting of talking points without any critical thinking is truly sad, not to mention the absolute hollywood brainrot you have if you think women can't naturally just look like that
How did he ignore it, when the only reason I even know that was the case was that he brought it up himself
@@xxthatsnotmexx quite frustrating when people try and treat Biology as if it's black and white..
Khelif has been beaten by women who don't have a y chromosome, it's not like she's some unbeatable super women.
mainstream media in the netherlands completely ignored the diddler in favor of talking about the trans woman and raygun by the way
of course they did its Europe
Same in the US, honestly. I had never heard of that sicko before watching this video.
Yeah its crazy, im from the netherlands and i only heard about it trough american twitter accs
Man such a flop from iddubz like if it was a popular opinion to hate women in fighting sports I would understand but the majority people don’t hate it
its only when random feminists want to change entire sets of rules in male sports to fit whatever they think, women doing any sports in their own category is fine and good actually
It would make sense 1 month ago when everybody was talking about the olympic boxer tomboy but the internet has already forgot about it lmao
idubbbz was right in this video tho
@@bruhmonet3904he avoided the main point of both fighters having male chromosomes and played outdated conservative talking head points.
They're not trans, they also shouldn't be allowed to compete with women who aren't biological anomalies
@@MaxiemumKarnagenigga what part of Olympian would you not want biological anomalies?
Turkish Thomas 🇹🇷
What does Tom think about the Armenian Genocide allegations
Ironic name for an Armenian.
@@deadmemes4219He's okay wittit dont worry !
@@awath94 Actually, Tom’s family are from Bulgaria but he was raised in America so he is actually classed as "Bulgarian-American"
@@Alan78941 always know tom was a bulging american uwu
I’m kind of happy to see a little more energy from Idubz but also a little sad to see he’s only getting energized for culture war / political stuff
i dubbz is a professional retractor
He does look like a bowler idk why
I think it's cause the combo of stache and buzz makes him look like a dad. His shirt is similar to one a grandpa that rides Harley bikes would wear, and a lot of the time those kinds of button ups and polos are the one worn by bowlers, a lot of times in tv shows and movies you'd see at least six guys that look like that on screen during bowling.
It’s the shirt I think
Tom is never beating the tism allegations he doesn’t understand the metaphors
“Very glad I stopped going down that path” he just won’t let it go lol.
The media initially reported her as a transgender and that didn’t pass an XY test. That’s why everyone knew about it before the first match and it wasn’t even verified till days after the first match.
If it was the only thing I was known worldwide for, I probably would have made it clear before that first match.
to be clear it was never verified, the org that published the results never disclosed any details, has ties to russian leadership, and was stripped of it's official status last year. Not to mention they came out with these test results right after imane beat a previously undefeated russian boxer, Azalia Amineva, in the 2023 world championships, and conveniently imane's subsequent disqualification three days later reverted that boxer's status back to undefeated. If anything that's what people should be making clear but apparently we all love mother russia so much these days
@@ndartehkewl1282 If the athlete did not have a Y chromosome they would have published their own test results to own the haterz.
@@patheticpear2897 ah yes the quintessential DIY chromosome testing kit standard in every pharmacy.
@@ndartehkewl1282bro are you good? They could have gone to a private medical practice and got tests done,
Normalize calling ugly women trans
When you’re in a falling off competition and your opponent is idubbz
Sorry iDubbbz, you will never be a real breadtuber.
I feel like he kinda dunked on himself by saying that they reportedly had XY chromosomes and than said that the people claiming they were men had no proof
That's what old people do. They talk about coconut trees and who fall out of them.
The boxer failed a gender test.......
Source?
@Sable2322 this is literally how people know she has male chromosomes and is intersex, literally a genetic anomaly who probably shouldn't be allowed to compete
You do know that can happen to any guy or girl with a massive hormone imbalance
@carolean282 they were testing for chromosomes not hormones so your point is irrelevant.
@Sable2322 SoUrCe? It took me 5 seconds to find it, it would take you the same amount of time if you actually challenged your beliefs.
Kind of an irrelevant video from idubbbz. I mean I agree people jumped to conclusions about this woman’s sex, but it also feels like this was the exception to the rule. 9 times out of 10 when society sees a man competing in women’s sports, it’s a legit man. Not a biological anomaly. And he made this video long after people stopped caring. Ian didn’t mature. This is a desperate attempt to distance himself from his old content when he could’ve still made his old content, minus the n word. He tries convincing himself and his audience that he’s matured, but this feels like he just went backwards and then learned a bunch of pseudo-progress nonsense. You were ahead of your time before, Ian. Only mouth breathers are convinced otherwise.
Bros been hanging with destiny too much
But who gets the cuck stool?
Naw Destiny would find this infuriating.
Destiny hates when you bog down conversations about institutions or policies with a bunch of unrelated anecdotes.
@@TheLikenessOfNormal how was it bogged down?
and Hasan. He does that too now
@@TheLikenessOfNormal yeah, _Destiny is so higher class than that goof, Ian._ Especially when he copy/pastes wiki articles, neglects his kid, and applauds when innocent people get merkd.
iDubbbz is so unfunny its unreal. His jokes are so cringe
Tom the typa guy that says "skibbidi rizz goon sesh diapermaxxing" but thinks its weird to say "did you fall out of a coconut tree"
Anyone else find it amazing how good Idubbz girlfriend has got at puppeting him?
On one hand, I understand the side of the argument where individuals who were born as biological males should not be permitted to compete in women's division sports (transgender or not). Whether you disagree or not, it is 100% an unfair advantage due to the physical differences.
However, Imane Khelif was proven to NOT be a man. This was debunked. She was simply born with a set of chromosomes that give her more testosterone than women commonly born with XX chromosomes. Do these people even know that the country Khelif is from (Algeria) is one of the WORST countries for LGBTQ people to live? Like hell they would allow someone who is trans to compete for them. It's literally illegal to be openly homosexual and transgender there.
I do feel bad for Angela Carini because I can't imagine training for a moment most of your life; only to tap out near the beginning of the match because you feared for your life after a few punches. It seems a bit unfair and I have no clue if they were in the same weight class, but if your opponent can punch you like the Incredible Hulk, then that's not okay.
I'm surprised that iDubbbz actually has some good takes in this video, though. I stopped watching his content years ago after the shift in his material (and I don't like Anisa at all for a variety of reasons). I kind of hope he does more stuff like this.
if your opponent is considerably stronger than you, you should lose. that's how combat sports work. it's not unfair that's how the competition works. if you're not able to withstand your opponent then you aren't going to win.
if she does have a different set of chromosomes that gives her an advantage, shouldnt be allowed to compete against normal women anyway
The name statistics argument is beyond stupid. You have a minute percentage chance to be named Kaitlyn because there are millions of potential names. You have a minute chance of being intersex, despite there being only 2 other available categories, male and female, which are split roughly down the middle. No matter what your politics are, that is a silly argument.
Also, I would think the pertinent stat isn’t just “percentage of population that is intersex”, but the smaller portion of THAT population that participates in competitive sports.
To me, the argument is silly because his ultimate point is that the utilitarian value judgment that this smaller population’s happiness/wellbeing vs this larger population’s happiness/wellbeing is a bad way of looking at things since it doesn’t matter on an individual level (is it fair to tell someone they can’t do something they love because of factors they can’t control?)
His video didn’t seem to go into weight classifications and pound for pound physical performance, which I would think is where the most fair (or least unfair) answer lies.
@Zed012 Deeper than that, if we look at height differences and weight classes, we're still presented with the problem of the physiological differences in the muscle mass for men and women.
Relative to body mass, men have a higher percentage of muscle than women, particularly in the upper body, which is especially relevant to boxing. A 120lb woman vs a 120lb man of the same height still wouldn't be fair, since a higher percentage of his body is muscle. The same applies to someone who is intersex, because of the differences in their testosterone production.
@@amoebasheep Yeah, I completely agree with all that. What I’m thinking is there has to be some kind of classification system beyond just weight that more accurately measures relative performance to better match individuals regardless of sex characteristics. There are lots of complications (bone density, reaction times, etc.) to consider, but if you can make it a statistic you can normalize for it. The question is, would such a system be so unwieldy and complex that it would require a ton of resources just to figure out where a given athlete slots in?
@Zed012 agreed, but since all those factors can vary wildly not just between both sexes, but within them too, I just think it's near impossible unfortunately (or at least, more trouble than it's worth). Thank you for the interesting and civil dialogue by the way :)
@@amoebasheep Yeah, the whole situation is super tricky and I’d hate to limit someone due to factors outside of their control if they’re able to compete. I think the current rule of thumb of Age (little league, high school, post high school) then Physical Sex (male vs female) then Commitment Level (pro, semi pro, recreational, etc) then Weight Class (fly, welter, heavy, etc.) makes sense for the vaaaast majority of cases, with some additional considerations like physical/mental disability. It just doesn’t feel 100% just if it shuts someone out who has no ill intentions and wants to participate. It’s worth looking into every now and then to see if revisions can’t be made to accommodate more people’s situations.
And I like to try having unheated conversations about these topics, since staying cool helps in exploring an issue. Not that I’m innocent of heated comments too, lol.
Idubbz is 100% the kind of person to call soccer football
isn't idubbs taking the all the videos he uses out of context? To my understanding she is technically a woman, but doesn't she have a chromosome mutation that causes her to have hormonal anomalies that makes her body produce too much testosterone? If thats the case shouldnt she be restricted from fighting woman since she has an unnatural advantage that would be considered cheating for the average woman to have.
So then with that, at what point do we draw the line? Would we say that females who are "too good" aren't allowed to take part in order to level the playing field in a competitive sport? Could you elaborate on how a congenital mutation is "unnatural"? It would be one thing to exclude trans-women from female sports, but excluding someone becuse they won the genetic lottery over the "average woman" is just a slippery slope.
@@bjasshjaskjdhkasj "Wow you're a genetic freak, you can't possibly compete in the Oluypics! Only the best of the very best go there! But not you! You're TOO GOOD."
They have a Y chromosome which makes them a male.
@@bjasshjaskjdhkasjHow are congenital mutations natural? By definition there has something gone wrong during gestation to cause a noticeable problem that usually gets diagnosed. "Congenital disorders are also known as congenital abnormalities, congenital malformations or birth defects." It is an abnormality aka not normal.
Of course that doesn't mean people with those issues should be treated as disgusting freaks. But acknowledging they are different from the average person, and discussing those differences, is perfectly reasonable.
@@bjasshjaskjdhkasj check hormone levels and compare them to known average healthy female hormone levels.
In regards to the bathroom argument, I dont think this should be an issue. Call me progressive, but I've had to deal with all gender bathrooms for 2 years in my previous college. I'm a female and it did bother me at first, but thinking realistically if I needed a "safe space" it would NOT be the womens bathroom.. there's no lock on those doors and all I would have between me and a potential attacker would be a flimsy stall door.. no thanks. About 98% of men I come across don't want to even talk to me, let alone try to hurt or follow me so I don't really see why we can't piss in adjacent stalls together. Who knows, maybe this is the band aid that the genders need to solve the ongoing war.
Yeah its a tired argument, its just a damn bathroom lol
“Our girls have XX chromosomes” that is 7 grade biology… hard to argue with science without sounding batshit
You obviously haven't learned since 7th grade. Chromosomes are more complex than baby brains can understand.
@@jvang2293 you people always say this the never make an argument.
@pieswimmer1 I'm supposed to teach you Chromosome Sex Evolution?? It's my responsibility? No, you don't care to learn because ignorance makes your hatred seem righteous.
Yeah trans women can be respected as people without trampling on others. Stop competing with cisgender women. Why’re you so fixated on beating down on biological women? Seems incel like
And sometimes a female's chromosomes can be XXY, but you wouldn't have learned that until taking college level Anatomy & Physiology class...
The issue is, people are getting slightly caught up in the trans or not as the specific word choice. She's one of the rare outliers for not a man or woman. So put those people in a third category where they can mess around and do whatever.
kinda stupid because all idubbbz says is " shes a woman" source:me and tom says hes owning them ?
The reason Tom took his side is the fact that there was no evidence that they were once men, so it would be kind of shallow to just say “she looks like a man so she is a man”.
They said she was a man and "owned" her, he's clearing the air
You want to hate idubbz so much you disregard everything he does even if he’s genuinely right😭
there's a source for that and you're ignoring how the other side's proof is "look test" because that's the side that aligns with you
me when im stupid
Joe Rogan is completely right on the issue. It's not Trans phobic to not want a biological man to put on short shorts and beat women in women's sports. It's not even misinformation if it wasn't true why don't women transition and go into men's sports and compete. Even athletes who actually know what they are talking about say allowing men who are Trans to go in women's sports is wrong because biologically being in fact a man... gives them genetic advantages.
But he wasn’t right because that’s not what happened in this case at all
@@simpsondale6064 bro you can look it up she is Trans. She transitioned from a man
@@simpsondale6064 it's exactly what happened. Just because leftists like to lie all the time and get shit twisted to justify calling someone a transphobe doesn't mean everything they say is true.
@@simpsondale6064 he's also completely right about if men transition into a women they have massive biological advantages over women.... being a man and all... much more bone density and much more muscle potential.
@@noiminoimi1179 I know that a man is strong than a woman, and I also don’t think a trans women should compete with women. But you’re off in the weeds, she was born a women, what copium are you smoking still?
My ex was 5"9 and flat and she was a fully cis woman and she often complainedabout people assuming she was somewhat gender non conforming. It really bothered her.
In principle on helping people who may different, i don't disagree, but as chud already covered on the stream his arguments aren't great. The few exceptions in life are not the rule, they're exceptions for a reason.
I would also like to point out that there is a quick set of points dropped before his last segment that are all different points, not what he was saying prior.
Further he makes a comparison about names and rareity, however that is apples and oranges.
To use his own statment at the end, he is essentially seeking to descriminate against a majority of women to satisfy a very small segment.
The reasoning is based on fairness, so your efforts are irrelevant to that end. This is why we have weight classes and tests. If there was no difference and no reason to make destinctions, then there wouldn't be womens divisions.
Under this logic I should be on an NBA team. It's not my fault my genetics didn't give me the advantage others have. ITS NOT FAIR
@@jvang2293 there's no restrictions about that tho. Go get them champ, become the best NBA player to ever exist.
The Charleston is a dance made popular in the 1920's. DO THE CHARLESTON THOMAS, DO IT!!
DO THE CHARLESTON, THOMAS OF TURKEY!
@@hatefacethegoatmonster4674 TURKEY THE THOMAS TANK ENGINE, PLEASE DO THE CHARLESTON!!
For the record the dutch volleyball player was convicted according UK law, not dutch law. He is lucky in that sense cause if he was convicted under dutch law, he probly got more years in prison, but also put into a mental place, after his release, and once he would leave that( when they deem him ok enough to go outside "tbs"), he would have been monitored for the rest of his life pretty much, with restrictions.
So do not blame it on the dutch, blame it on the english that this guy got off that easy, cause it was them who prosecuted him.
I am pointing this out, cause I am sick of hearing americans saying our legal system is too soft, pointing to a example that has nothing to do with the dutch legal system.
Do you guys ban cp already or are you still working on that
"Sick of hearing our legal system is too soft"
>CP still legal
>Bestiality haven for freaks all over Europe, legally allowed to have bestiality porn and magazines until 2008
The Dutch are very hard on these degenerates for sure
@@carolean282 we actually banned it in the 1979 (drawn is also illegal, but I think that was later, under kabinet balkenende), but the Netherlands is basicly the port of europe, most meth, cocaine, cp and humans are being trafficked through either rotterdam/shiphol, to reach their destination somewhere in europe. So the numbers are kinda inflated.
One issue that the Netherlands does have, is their poor cyber investigation and cyber security. For example, the dutch parlement still works with windows 95, and basicly doing wide spread internet sting operation are only done when it comes to terrorism, not when it comes to predators.
Its kinda sad, cause even Turkey Tom got tricked into thinking CP was legal here somehow, because americans think we are this extreem liberal place, with playstations in our prisons and we all smoke weed, and apparently cp was legal until 10 years ago or something. While in reality, getting caught with cp, can give you possible tbs, which is a mental prison, where they only let you go if you dont oppose a danger to society anymore.
Do the british pick who represents the Dutch?
Idubbz literally comparing "long flowing hair" to "XX chromosomes" as things not all women have. Bro is COOKED
He finally realized that punks dead and shaved his head.
It's kinda funny watching chat and commenters having a hard time handling Tom's ability to respect a good iDubbbz video while having his opinions on the direction of his career. I thought that was the whole reason most of the fans were here, to get a well rounded commentary option. Odd!
Most chatters are dumb sheep. They don't know how to absorb media without being tribal about it.
yeah i feel like people are missing the point when they only focus on ONE person or aspect of this discourse. influencers & people on social media focusing on only Imane i feel like is a disservice to all women in sport. Imane is not the issue. they never were. it’s just what media picked up and ran with. and now subsequently what everyone else is talking about. there are much bigger issues right now for women than one person playing a sport imo.
You actually liked your own comment... Sad doesn't even begin to describe you
weird to say this when ian literally shows garbage influencers rambling about how imane shouldn’t be able to fight. i think ian is a grifter saying the most obvious shit to stay relevant, sure, but lets not pretend like people didnt use imane’s situation to justify transphobia on most social media platforms.
@@KodibearIndigoliterally who gives a fuck
She liked her own comment 10x, how she do that ?@@KodibearIndigo
I mean, I agree, but I think this shit has gotten to the point where it's been blown so insanely out of proportion.
How many *actual* cases have there been of this kind of stuff even happening? It's just such a rare and niche concern yet I hear about it damn near on the daily.
That's the only thing that makes me scratch my head.
"The male chromosome is the "Y" chromosome; males have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, while females have two X chromosomes, making the Y chromosome the defining factor for male sex determination."
I dont understand where megyn or piers or joe or Any of them were wrong. Im not a biologist so i might be wrong, but unless you personally believe in the fluidity and spectrum of gender/sex, a "Y" coming up in your chromosome test makes you a man. Or at the VERY LEAST not fair to compete at the highest levels of womans sports.
This video would have been good if it came out before "no more mr nice simp" but now it's too little too late. It's not bad bad just kinda bad because bad takes are mixed in with mocking people's overreaction. If he was truthful and didn't try to pander it would be better. But then his LA friends and his BPD sidepiece would be upset that strayed from their agenda too much.
pretty sure he's her sidepiece, but yeah
First he tried to court the breadtube community with CC2, now he’s just doing breadtube content
Maxmoefoe is a Matilda
It lines up cuz both pranked someone by making them lose their hair 😂
Sorry, Tom. I'm bowing out. Thought this would at least be a good cringe watch. But now it would seem that not only is Ian not funny, he's boring too. Doesn't help that he chose the most nothingburger topic that everyone stopped caring about the day after.
Jooooeeeeesssseeepppphhhh Roooooogggggaaaaaannnnn…
The coconut tree meme is pretty easy to understand, it's just another way of saying 'you think you just appeared out of thin air?, magically fell from the sky?' The 'you exist in the context of those who came before you' is saying 'no, you did not just magically appear, so be mindful of all of your ancestors who came before you, and the community who helped raise you.'. I cannot explain the sociopathic laughing though, that is just classic politician.
I kind of just want idubbbz to go back to reviewing pencils, his new videos of him complaining are just getting very stale and repetitive
Bald Ian is such an improvement over Mullet Ian
Tim Pool is a cigarette and a bundle of sticks, almost on par with Ian in terms of cringe.
XY is not women so wtf is Ian talking about? They were allready tested, just that the olympics refused.
Kinda worried he starts back up content cop with his new personality.
Imagine he comes back and only attacks people like our innocent sweetie Brett Cooper or something
Turkey Tom the type of guy to get caught doing the Charleston
I feel bad for them but you can't make the rules for everyone based on the situations of extreme outliers.
Tom the typa guy to do the Charleston 17 times after falling out of a coconut tree.
I think it's a little hypocritical for iDubbbz to delete all of his Content Cop videos, citing spreading negativity as the reason, just to turn around and spread negativity towards people that challenge his ideology. The video itself was made pretty well and I wouldn't have a problem with it at all as long as it was not directly contradictory to his previous statements. You could try to say that it's negativity but for a positive cause, but that is exactly what the Content Cop series was made for, you can watch the Jinx episode where he explains what the series is for / about. It's immediately evident that he just reskinned Content Cop with Breadtuber overlays.
He essentially just traded in his "incel boy's club" who have the capacity to critically think for a bunch of yesmen that get all of their ideologies and beliefs from watching Hasan
damn he deleted them? hes fr an idiot
it’s like watching an empty husk
Yep the only thing that changed was who he deems to be deserving of negativity
Seeing Idubbbz now is just so disheartening, he’s a husk of his former glory, complete hollow.
he looks like an antifa cog now.
Why didn't Imane get a DNA test? It woukd have solved everything.
Also Idubbz has a new Janny named Han. Xhe is heavily curating the comment section.
*Edit:* I am no longer going to respond to the replies since everyone is behaving childish.
*Original comment:* Imane Khelif is not transgender, JKR made it up and of course other people believed her and went along with it but Khelif is biologically female, she is not transgender and there was rumours about her being intersex as well but that is also false. She just happens to look masculine and produces a lot of testosterone but she is not transgender. There has been many cases where women’s DNA and hormone levels have matched a man’s because their estrogen levels are weak and they have more testosterone than they should. This can often cause women to be flat chested, more muscular and even extra hairy. But as long as they are born with ovaries and a uterus, they are still biologically female. JKR is becoming so obsessed with trans people that she is now starting to accuse anybody of being transgender, even non-transgender women. I feel really bad Khelif, she did not deserve any of that hatred and she won that medal fair and square.
They gotta have weight classes in the olympics, sucks to see that some genetic anomaly won
It's a WHOLE MAN!
@@MaxiemumKarnageHer weight could have given her more advantage, she was much bigger than the other girl but that would have been the organization’s fault for arranging the fight and not Khelif’s but yeah, they should keep the weight classes the same when it comes to fighting like how in WWE they always have heavyweight champions fight heavyweight competitors.
@@MaxiemumKarnagemost
Olympians are genetic anomalies, Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, etc
So it's a mutant? lmao
pretty sure the real argument was that her intersex status made her go through puberty with a huge difference in testosterone lol
The tworkey Tom documentary chances aren’t looking too good
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The IBA said she had XY chromosomes and was disqualified from competing because of it. I don't get what's difficult about that. A biological male whose genitals didn't develop, should not be boxing women, even if they live their lives as a woman. As the bald man points out, the catch all rule for things not caught by the handbook that would disqualify someone, such as being a man, can get them disqualified. It should be a shut case, Tom.
Everyone knows Idubbz is just a persona Turkey Tom puts on so he can date Anissa his queen secretly.
They were mismatched.... like chris ray gun and that basketball player...
"Tell me you lack testosterone without telling me that you lack testosterone. "
Yeah it wasn't a trans woman, it was a man.
Bro she was born a woman. Like be anti trans people in sports all you want, but the boxer was born a woman.
24 hour Charleston dance stream when?
iDubbz knows she would beat him in a boxing match so its probably all good. Poor Lightbulb needs to chill