Loghain has ptsd over the Orlesian invasion, thinks Cailan a glory hungry fool and Blights haven't been around for ages, he doesn't need a secret society to make him betray. I guess Bioware wasn't done reducing agency of the player but also previous characters.
@connordorman117 If you read the Stolen Throne and the Calling you see a much different Loghain than in Origins. His trauma was watching a Chevalier violate his mother and kill her when he was a kid, that trauma was already ingrained. But you wouldn't see that Loghain despite Flemeth's warning just abandon Maric's son like that. Something influencing his judgment is reasonable.
@ I’m not interested in the books. I know the devs use them to expand on lore but it’s a total cop out. The game already gave a solid foundation for why Lohgain hates Orlais. Edit: Flemmeth says that men’s hearts can hold deeper darkness than any tainted creature. Sure, he could be influenced by an outside force. I not only think it’s unreasonable but flat out stupid. “Loghain wasn’t actually a bad guy, he was made evil by the bad guys.” - The new story direction.
Seriously? Having the Executors be to blame for basically everything diminishes Loghain, Flemeth, and basically all the very human characters who propelled the story forward this far. They have no motivation, no backstory, nothing beyond "generic Cthulhu secret order manipulating everything from the shadows". If this is where the franchise is going, let it end here.
should have taken the bus stop of da2 we are doing fine without the origins nostalgics . dude complaining about eldritch stuffs lmao , as if the blight is not , as if the dark city , the veil , the fade , the lyrium and all are none eldritch . i can tell you are a casual
I would lol hard if in Dragon Age 5 we defeat the Executors, and the plot twist at the end is that they were also being manipulated by yet another even greater power that the writers retcon into the lore. And so on and so forth, manipulators being manipulated being manipulated etc. etc.
@@MidnightTea7 Because Inquisition is the third game in the Dragon Age series and there is literally nothing to foreshadow them in the first two? Hell, even in Inquisition, there is only an extremely minor mention of them, and no hint of a suggestion that they were manipulating the main events across the first 3 games. This is a textbook retcon.
@@Tlevids Slowly introducing things to the narrative is not a retcon. Not everything has to be foreshadowed in first chapter (or be revealed as element tied to that plot point) to have been planned there from the start. The fact that we're heading to the conclusion we have in Veilguard has been foreshadowed since DAO, but so vaguely that in DAO or DA2 we didn't yet connect things that turned out to be connected to him. Yet Solas has been planned as a character from the very start - it;s just that people realized clus were pointing at him after he fully revealed himself. And we already have an inkling or what is very likely connected to "those across the sea" - the Qunari: a race that arrived to Thedas fairly recently, after escaping something from their original homeland. Again, you have no idea what retcon its, or how storytelling works. That much is clear.
The representation of the Executors in this game is symbolic of the writers. They haven't done anything amazing on their own, so all they can do is latch themselves to the history and retcon them, as if they were part of it. As if this is even the same Bioware that made Inquisition.
@@traiforse5777 It IS actually the same Bioware that made Inquisition, lol Also, it really would be nice if people stopped confusing payoff with retcons. The Executors have been foreshadowed at least since Inquisition, as were many things (foreshadowed since DAO even) that were resolved in DAVe.
@@MidnightTea7As you said: "since Inquisition" - that's when writers came up with Executors and vaguely introduced them into the game, so it logically can't be a payoff of something from DAO, it's literally a retcon of it. Learn the difference and stop confusing those two yourself ;)
Seriously, it's like they saw the Jailer being responsible for everything important that happened in WoW and thought "that went over so well with WoW fans, let's do that for our setting too!"
@@dukegremory_antichrist If you played those games you absolutely should see a problem here. Gatekeeping and calling people tourist is obnoxious on it's own, but when you're flexing how you've played the whole series to defend inserting some dipshit illuminati plot into perfectly good stories, that's just embarrassing. And yes, I've played all the old games multiple times, and played them on launch.
@@jillwarricks . The context is very clear. Stop defending lazy writing. . This another proof of the gendermancer and his team that they hate the past games.
@@jillwarricks "Ferelden is basically left blighted, save for Redcliffe and small pockets of resistance in Denerim. Kirkwall suffers the same fate, and what remains of its residents have fled to Starkhaven. Orlais has been over-run outside of resistance around the area of the Winter Palace, and venatori infiltrators have made the political situation within Orlais tenuous. It's baffling, and honestly comes across as mean-spirited, making the decision to deliberately target the places that our characters had the most influence." This franchise has been soft rebooted.
@@krasmasov6852 if this become your story and world build bar then you either began to accept shity games or you never played the old games and I mean all games like they didn't eve marked a game in the story near baldur gates 3
the game is a success so far , so nothing stop it . i can see this is the new cope narrative after that your first gamble that the game will fail with review bombing and poor salesfailed is the actual cute thing . to see you struggle to cope and keep delaying and switching narrative to accomodate is adorable you remind me of pro ukraine
@@LauftFafa The game is obviously success so far because DA franchise has some fanbase and they will buy it even if the trailer, gameplay videos, comments, reviews and everything else sucks and tells you it is garbage.....people want to know for themselves. Where did ukraine pop out of? What relation does it even have with the game?
@LauftFafa it's not a success. If it were AA indie it'd be a great success but this is a AAA that cost hundreds of millions. It can't be called complete failure but it definitely didn't succeed.
No continuity, new spooky bad guys. Blight means nothing, Mage and Templar Wars mean nothing, the Rift into the Fade doesn't mean anything. And they waste two of the most compelling characters in the series in a way that openly mocks the former friendship of Elves and Dwarves.
@@Keram-io8hv templair mage war is a civil war and doesn't apply to tevinter ESPECIALLY because they simply do not have the same circle system for mages to rebel against
Even in Inquisition, where this subplot is supposedly set up (which I don't remember at all), physically going into the fade was a huge mindbreaking event, but now it's just a convenient pocket space?
Blight means nothing? What? What are you talking about? > And they waste two of the most compelling characters in the series in a way that openly mocks the former friendship of Elves and Dwarves. Nothing is being mocked. Man, Dragon Age fans are utterly stupid.
We are here We have waited We have slept We are sundered We are crippled We are polluted We endure We wait We have found the dreams again We will awaken Forgotten Ones. They were the only Elven lore unanswered in this game.
So in Dragon age 5 , Dumat and others Magister except corrypheus and the Architect will return ? Maybe the return of Andraste to broke the corruption forever
@@BamBam-3886They also said there won't be any Dlc. They are going straight to Mass Effect to ruin it next. If theres going to be queer or non-binary krogan, you will know where it came from.
Either we get to see the forgotten ones (thus the relevance to Bellara’s mission) or we get to see the revenge from the titans or or or the reason why the first fleet of qunari escaped In Dock Town there’s a hidden place with the warden, hawke, inquisitor and rook’s papers all tied by red and purple string. I know they said DLC was out of question, but this leaves more questions than answersss AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@@reddishcarp1237this ending is literally as bad as a story ending with “it was a dream all along” It’s literally “evil council orchestrating everything all along” It has no depth and takes meaning away from every decision made in prior games. How anyone can sit there and reward this kind of behaviour from game writers is insanity.
@@reddishcarp1237na it’s actually fun to watch terrible writers create what they think is Shakespeare and turns out to be a pre teens self insert fiction. Kinda adorable in a way, Like a chimpanzee drawing with crayons.
So one of the mysterious secret orders was to blame for the entire series. Specifically the one from outside the continent. Well with this bit of questionable revelation, anyone want to guess that The Executors are what sent the Qun running all the way to Thedas? Also does this imply that everything from Origins to Veilguard was to weaken all the kingdoms, organizations and remove all the entities that could have threatened them?
So in Dragon age 5 , Dumat and others Magister except corrypheus and the Architect will return ? Maybe the return of Andraste to broke the corruption forever
@@matp7786 Old Gods are all dead dead as of Veilguard ending, there are still some points that I think this secret ending is leading to though: who exactly gave the idea for spirits to become physical entities, where did the Qunari come from and how did humans (dwarves and elves are explained already) end up on Thedas which can also be related to the final question, is the Maker real?
Taash Quest suggest that the Qunari came running from the Executioners and "mixed" with dragons to survive (whatever that means). The Forgotten Ones are just some random evil elves who have been partially dealt with in Bellara's quest. And yes, this implies that the Executioners were pulling an "It was Agatha all along" to supplant Thedas, for reasons. Since this is terrible writing, I fully expect that they turn out to be a secret Lovecraftian race, as that’s the only level of power scaling left after dealing with the literal elven gods. Bioware might not yet be dead, but it's writing surely is braindead.
Wow...I really hate everything this game has done to the lore. So many retcons and even when it isn't a retcon it's getting the established lore like the Dalish or the Qunari is wrong. Now we have some Shadowlands Jailer type retcon where it turns out some new super duper bad guy has actually been behind everything and no characters actually have any agency of their own? Sweet...love that.
So the events of every single game was the result of the bad guys being manipulated like puppets? What do you wanna bet that once these guys are defeated in the next game, an even GREATER evil is going to show up like the obito
@@ryder98307 Yes. Yes it does. It implies that the actions they took were because of their guidance and whispers... that without them, they would not have taken those actions that threw Thedas into turmoil.
@@ryder98307 in dragon age, where dark spawn, blighted people, and those under the control and thrall of powerful mages can be controlled by whispers, that is exactly what is being implied.
Some hope-ium: One of BioWare's leads (John Epler) stated it wasn't their intention to have them (the executors) be truly responsible. They wanted to show they were involved at the very least, nudging and guiding in subtle ways for those who were already going down those paths since it served their interests. They explicitly stated that for someone like Loghain doing what he did was 100% his own choice and reasoning, it's just that Loghain didn't know he was getting some subtle help from a third party. If they DO retcon it and make them actually responsible (like Loghain had a stupid meeting to do the bidding of someone else) then yea fuck that. But if what BioWare said is true, then all is not lost and honestly, can lead into something really cool.
Except their current writing team doesn't have the skills to properly weave such a tale, as seen with Veilguard. Get your hopium ready. You'll need more than one truckload.
@@krasmasov6852 The writing in veilguard IMO can be best described as a carrot on a stick. At first you're excited to reach the carrot but just as you think you are going to reach the carrot (the good writing) it keeps getting away from your grasp. It's not necessarily super bad, it's just not good either. It's probably better than Andromeda but it's nowhere near Origins or the ME trilogy (bar the ME 3 issues).
So when they say the "Veilguard remains Vigilant" - are we referring to a DLC, or DA5 here? I wouldn't mind a little DLC for Veilguard. Considering how much the inquisitor was talking about the South being in disarray with the Blight it would be cool if you could do a DLC mission where you could go back to Skyhold, Kirkwall or Denerim to fend off a blighted dragon.
I hope we can play as rook still tbh , "the wolf defanged " the lyrim dagger was called the wolfs fang by the care taker, and the veil guard stays vigilant might hint that ?
and they have the massive, shameless BALLS to sequel bait....when they've already announced NO DLC and that they will be turning all of their resources to a new mass effect installment
Yes, no dlc is needed because they wanted to put everything in the game, imagine being mad they didnt cut out some of the game to shove into dlc to nickel and dime you
Guaranteed you were deepthroating Larian for choosing to do no dlc for bg3. Whatever you feel about Veilguard it is a good sign that the greediest company around to make a full length single player rpg with no extra monetization. Maybe they’re starting to realize games like that can in fact still be a success.
Lazy writing. They weren't content here had to take a dump on the past games. My headcanon the story ended with Inquisition(I personally believe is a masterpiece) and the outcome of the war with Solas unknown. Just shutdown Bioware because activist hacks have taken it over the franchise is dead.
you have got to be kidding me....their are few worse writing mistakes you can make than undermining your villains, this is the writers essentially shitting on all the previous games and all of those writers hard work at developing characters and motivation.
Ah yes, nothing like having the entire story invalidated and all choices rendered meaningless because the new writers think they can tell a better story. I hope every single one of these hacks get fired and never work again.
Idk, on the one hand I like the idea of some dormant power across the seas awakening after Solas and the Blights are finally stopped, but on the other hand I don’t like the agency of our villains being taken away. Part of what made Loghain such an interesting and even compelling villain/character is that he legitimately believed he was doing what was good and best for his country, he even acknowledges your strength after beating him in a duel and is satisfied knowing that you will defend Ferelden in his place if you choose to kill him. If he turns out to have just been mind controlled the entire time, it will take away everything that made him an interesting and fun character, and will make me doubt going forward the intention of any enemy we come across. But I’m willing to see what, if anything, they do with this in a future game, though I will say no DLC that could shed a bit of light on the executor’s is at this point possibly a mistake on BioWare’s part.
Just because they tried to plant ideas doesn't mean that he (and others) didn't choose to act. He still bears responsibility for his actions. This kind of reminds me of the Deus Ex games, where you literally had the Illuminati pulling strings behind the scenes, but things definitely didn't always go how they wanted.
The executors were in DAI guys , these folks have been a HUGE mystery for awhile and David Gaider confirmed Bioware is still following some super secret lore book they wrote years ago, this is ACTUALLY prob it lmao
It’s dumb tho. It undercuts the agency & already throughly developed motivations of Loghain, the magisters sidereal, flemeth. If this was the plan should have stayed in drafts.
You can have the Executors without undermining years of storytelling. Since we knew nothing about them Bioware could have made anything up but instead they undermine old characters to build up theirs. It’s weak writing.
Literally. I don’t get where people are getting this undermining villains thing from when literally in the same video they talk about spreading ‘whispers’ this only means that they simply harboured doubts in Loghains mind ultimately it still was him tho who was fully in control and made the choice to leave the King and basically stage a coup
@@xnAqua Thank you for being the only one paying attention. Came here after I finished the game because I missed this. It's pretty clear Loghain had agency, but was being influenced. Pointed in a direction =/= forced to go in a direction.
As a reminder to those who actually play the game, there are other threats mentioned such as the event that drove the qunari to Thedas. There are other lands outside of Thedas and DA 1-4 is really internal focus (mainly blight stuff tbh with a smattering of mage hate) But now the blight has been sealed away maybe whoever this is wanted the blight to be cleared away/handled so they could arrive.
They had 3 wartable missions in inquisition involving the executors. But they were mostly an unknown culture from across the seas spying on events or intervening behind the scenes. They were not all knowing or all powerful as they needed to spy, and hope the inquisitor could kill coriphyus meaning they could not do it on their own. But now BioWare are making them out to be a thanos level threat, it’s silly and kinda ruins the lore balance.
Does this change the fact that this is 100% lazy sequel bait? As the executors are already shown in inquisition to be of a similar / slightly stronger spy / military strength as Thedases countries. But now they are some all seeing all mighty shadow organization.
Not sure why many complain ... Having an influence over certain characters doesn't mean they had no motives at all. One can invoke or strenghten an emotion in an other person without actually wiping away they motives. It's about feeding their frame of mind not giving them theirs.
aaah yes that cheap plot to prolong the franchise : a powerfull behind it all figure, one minute copy paste from world of warcraft shadowlands plot which by the way is terrible
"Evil cannot create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good" Why make an original story if you can just destroy the work of others?
It is the Ascians without FFXIV's competent writing team who were working off half-finished nonsense from the original release and the reboot and molding it into something halfway coherent.
@@varric And what's even the point? "Take this idol to the surface and sell it. Oh and also leave your brother behind to die because that's relevant somehow. "
read the comments but apparently nobody asks the question that matters to BW devs. Are the Executioners non binary or not? What is their sexual identity? That's the only thing matters
dont you love it when modern writers attach themselves to an existing franchise, and twist the entire world to fit their story destroying what came before... we need a word for mary sue writers that bend the world to them
Where did they twist it though? Tell me one single example? Because you people are always bitching and I see zero examples/outright lies, which implies you either never played any of the games or were to fricking lazy to read the codex.
@@dukegremory_antichristkeep crying in peoples comments it doesn't help the fact this game has zero future and has less sales than star wars outlaws it's a typical boring shadow organization that was pulling the stings all along is so played out and you know it this franchise is done
@@mustycrusty754 That's not what this says. The Executors weren't puppetting previous villains. They were giving a push when needed. Just because you listened to the devil on your shoulder doesn't mean that you aren't responsible for your actions.
Just leaving this comment here for the future, to show people that not every fan from 2024 actually jumped to conclusions about what this meant. At least I'm aware Bioware was never planning to pull the whole 'Every bad guy in the past games were under the control of the Executors'. I know they were just being whisphered to and fed suggestions for the villians to act upon as a part of their own free will. 2024 Dragon Age players were just dramatic in their assumptions lol.
Just finished Veilguard. My biggest gripe with it plot wise, is that it makes the world smaller. The Fade, Titans and dwarfs, lyrium, the Blight and Darkspawn, Maker and the Golden City? Ancient Elven Gods were responsible for that. Now it seems that they intend to put a hat on a hat and reveal that there is yet another puppet master in form of a random and obscure thing mentioned once in a War Table mission in Inquisition. It just makes everything feel smaller.
You know. With veilguard i really thought it will end now. That we defeat the blightened gods and the blight disappears forever. The blight to end all blights. ??? Ring a bell? No? I wouldve loved to see characters from all games pop up. Have use of the dragon keep again and then see my heroes from DAO and 2 also pop up. Imagine getting a quest from some grunpy elf and then meeting hawke in the fade and come back out together to reunite with Fenris and the rest. And everyone has a funeral for varrictogether bc HOW DARE THEY BLOODY KILL MY GUY! ㅠㅠ i was shook and i cried... And i thought it all ends and all had purpose just to find out they are trying the Final Fantasy forever stories...
I believe the executors are agents of the forgotten ones and now that the board is cleared, they want to reclaim the lands. Just trying to figure out how nudging all these people to do what they did from the shadows (through agents or otherwise) helps them achieve their goal.
So they basically ignored the events of Origins and 2 by showing that the whole time Loghain's obsession with Orlais, Bartrand betraying Varric with Meredith's fear of Mages and everything with Corypheus was all orchestrated by a secret society of Illuminati? Ok... we need DLC's for this game to be saved in order to set-up Dragon Age 5
Omg they didn't. The fear of Orlais was exploited to make Loghain mad. That's why he surrounded himself with simps and eradicated/tortured enemies/sceptics. Means: the "secret enemies" fed him probably mssinformation to manifest his fear even further. Bartrand had clues about some treasures in the deep roads, probably from the same sources who wanted him to find the red lyrium idol. Corypheus was one of the magisters of old, who entered the Black City with the help of Old gods and probably the mysterious sources, who provided them with information. Why "probably" because I refer to the secret ending which would connect to the previous events but we don't know who those people are yet. It isn't retcon dumba$$, it's called "unraveling". I know reading is hard for you but maybe you should read the codex entries for once, because if you did you wouldn't spew bs into the ether.
No, not at all. The Executors are manipulators, not puppet masters. Loghain was straight up delisional thinking that Orlais was a threat during the Fifth Blight. We already know that Celene and Cailan were planning on working together. Is it too much of a stretch to think that the Executors may have played on Loghain's fears of Orlais to push him over the edge? He would be the perfect target for that kind of manipulation. No mind control or removal of character agency required. Loghain is still at fault for what he did.
Though I love Dragon Age: The Veilguard, 'tis rather bold of BioWare to tease yet another future threat in Thedas. Considering they're on thin ice at the moment.
People see this scene as a "they pulled all the strings" I see it more as they saw opportunities that were happening and merely nudged them one way or another, they most likely didn't cause all these things to happen unless they directly state that later, otherwise as a long time fan of the series, I have no problem with this and some people need to just grow up
I do agree with the criticism that its kinda cheap to disregard series if they ARE setting a big bad, but I also think if they see enough backlash and dont want to scrap the idea that them having merely been there and watched/ took advantage as it unfolded as you said is def the best case. Id personally love that route more
@@Justiceway007 Another way to see it is that it is a subtle way to say "hey, did you only play veilguard? Go play the other games" Plus I believe it was more taking advantage of what was already happening like putting a bunch of yes men around Loghain or making sure no one disagreed with him too much so Ferelden would be in chaos.
I am sorry the story was fine and i think it made perfect sense this secret ending i feel people these days just want to hate because its cool withouth actual good arguments....
To everyone. The Executer only GUIDED Loghain. This surely means that she gave Loghain the right information. So that he acted as he did. Because that is how we know them. This group already appears in the book and also in Inquisition. And we only ever saw them passing on information etc. So this new information doesn't change Loghain at all, don't worry. I wonder if the Executer work for the Titans? I mean, who would benefit most from these goals? The Titans. And thats COOL lore! Dont get me wrong, i was worried to, but if you think about it, it CAN be very good!
Balanced, whispered, guided... The full might of the Blight is coming ? Dumat's return ? The Chantry ? Cassandra Pentaghast will spread the words of the maker ?
I do not CARE about all these negative comments, I love this. Are these the ones from beyond the seas the franchise has been hinting at for ages? If so, yes please.
My sister and I made the prediction that if they were going to do a fifth game (which they had hinted back after inquisition launched), they were going to have to address 1) the elven gods and 2) the qunari and “those across the sea”… clearly can’t do that in a single game. It amazes me people who call themselves fans didn’t see this coming.
The group is the Executors or Those Across the Sea. In Veilguard, these might also be the same people that the ancient Qunari referred to as the Devouring Storm.
Don't think we need a World of Warcraft Jaileresque storyline where everything that happened before was all one big plot by a higher power. Make a new threat sure but it doesn't need to retroactively go back and be the great manipulators of literally everything.
haha i have 0 interest in another dragon age story sequal. I was only excited for dread wolf after the dragon age inquisition set it up to be cool. Now that lamegaurd sucked im done with this franchise. Yes i got tricked and preordered this game,
@Mick_Unfiltered Technically, that's not far off from being literal and not a mocking. We've learned in this title that the Taint/Blight is the dreams of the Titans that went mad because Solas and Mythal made them tranquil. That the Evanuris were the first elves and were originally spirits that manifested physical forms using lyrium which caused the war with the Titans. We learned that the Old Gods were thralls of the Evanuris and they were using them as conduits to control the Magisters who worshipped the old gods. Dreams and the Fade are at the center of everything. And, about the only mysteries left are the Forgotten Ones and whether or not the Maker actually exists. So the Executors are probably going to be associated with one or the other and if it gets made, Dragon Age 5 probably would be the series finale.
@@arynrosci87it will be weird going from killing gods to killing possible overseas elves who’s military might is only equal to or slightly stronger then the inquisition. As they stated coriphius was a danger to them all, and he was basically henchman level to the old gods
It’s awful, it’s beyond awful. I hope every writer involved with veilguard is fired and hazed from the industry forever. Lazy, spineless and insulting writing. The worst decision they could have made. Undoing not just the current game which was an absolute waste of time that I wished I never played, but also trying to undo the previous good games?? Instead of human villains making mistakes because they’re flawed and misguided, it was yet another bland arch villain that has never even been hinted at before. I cannot even describe the depth of my disappointment and pain
Nothing was undone whatsoever. What are you even talking about? This does nothing to suggest that the Executors were controlling people like Loghain or Meredith like puppet masters. They are manipulators, not mind controllers. Also never even been hinted at before? Lmao tourist. The Executors were first mentioned in DA2.
These guys were behind everything... Now, an evil HoF run? That was just you wildin. I can see it now... "Hey mike, this guy you?" "Nah man, that aint me. Jerry that you?" "You know it aint me, guys, cmon." "Jesus fuck he just stabbed that girl over some ashes." "Thats fucked up man"
Literally why was this necessary. The Evanuris thing was bad enough but the Executors are somehow even worse. I didn't expect such simplified writing from people who wrote DAO/DA2. The writing really went downhill after DAI.
Wait what? Is it the ending cineamtic? I got this video during the early hours. Was it a bug then? I didn't understand what does it mean in the narrative. Maybe this is why? It loaded in a different point of the story?
Do you remember where this played early game? I also got it early but cannot remember where. Trying to find it i found this video but it had a different voice over i thought and am just trying to figure out where it played then.
I’m convinced the devs did this on purpose because of everyone (including me) bitching about the lazy writing. Also they drew Corypheus wrong. Dogshit ending.
@@krasmasov6852 If you can watch that video and not see how retroactively going “all the important decisions and interesting character choices the villains made was all because of an evil shadow Illuminati!!!” isnt insanely stupid and shits all over the story of the previous games then it’s hopeless for you. Then again I shouldn’t be surprised someone larping as a fictional dead communist who lost super hard in the setting he’s from has goofy takes.
@@nunyabusiness7942 That's not what the video suggests. It is absurd to think that the influence of the Executors is the sole reason why characters did what they did. Loghain's irrational hatred of Orlais plus his position of power made him a good target for manipulation, which is all the Executors ever did btw. They don't do mind control or anything. Also Mazov was 100% correct in that setting lmao
I guess it really was Agatha all along.
Badum tzzz
@@thiami576That Google translation is the strangest one I’ve ever seen
Loghain has ptsd over the Orlesian invasion, thinks Cailan a glory hungry fool and Blights haven't been around for ages, he doesn't need a secret society to make him betray. I guess Bioware wasn't done reducing agency of the player but also previous characters.
It reminds me of how they misused reaper indoctrination in ME3.
Just like me3@@Tlevids
Loghain also believed (incorrectly) that Cailin was going to divorce Anoura to marry the Empress.
@connordorman117 If you read the Stolen Throne and the Calling you see a much different Loghain than in Origins. His trauma was watching a Chevalier violate his mother and kill her when he was a kid, that trauma was already ingrained. But you wouldn't see that Loghain despite Flemeth's warning just abandon Maric's son like that. Something influencing his judgment is reasonable.
@ I’m not interested in the books. I know the devs use them to expand on lore but it’s a total cop out. The game already gave a solid foundation for why Lohgain hates Orlais.
Edit: Flemmeth says that men’s hearts can hold deeper darkness than any tainted creature.
Sure, he could be influenced by an outside force. I not only think it’s unreasonable but flat out stupid.
“Loghain wasn’t actually a bad guy, he was made evil by the bad guys.” - The new story direction.
Seriously? Having the Executors be to blame for basically everything diminishes Loghain, Flemeth, and basically all the very human characters who propelled the story forward this far. They have no motivation, no backstory, nothing beyond "generic Cthulhu secret order manipulating everything from the shadows".
If this is where the franchise is going, let it end here.
Goodbye then. Hope you enjoyed your ride, but it seems we've reached your stop
@@girl1213 Tourist.
Its the jailor (wow) all over again...
should have taken the bus stop of da2
we are doing fine without the origins nostalgics .
dude complaining about eldritch stuffs lmao , as if the blight is not , as if the dark city , the veil , the fade , the lyrium and all are none eldritch . i can tell you are a casual
@@LauftFafaits not the eldritch stuff, eldritch stuff is great, but past characters basically having no agency with this ending
I would lol hard if in Dragon Age 5 we defeat the Executors, and the plot twist at the end is that they were also being manipulated by yet another even greater power that the writers retcon into the lore. And so on and so forth, manipulators being manipulated being manipulated etc. etc.
So Naruto Shipudden lol
Please explain to me how a power foreshadowed at least since Inquisition is a "retcon"?
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
@@MidnightTea7 Because Inquisition is the third game in the Dragon Age series and there is literally nothing to foreshadow them in the first two? Hell, even in Inquisition, there is only an extremely minor mention of them, and no hint of a suggestion that they were manipulating the main events across the first 3 games. This is a textbook retcon.
When was it foreshadowed in inquisition?@@MidnightTea7
@@Tlevids Slowly introducing things to the narrative is not a retcon. Not everything has to be foreshadowed in first chapter (or be revealed as element tied to that plot point) to have been planned there from the start. The fact that we're heading to the conclusion we have in Veilguard has been foreshadowed since DAO, but so vaguely that in DAO or DA2 we didn't yet connect things that turned out to be connected to him. Yet Solas has been planned as a character from the very start - it;s just that people realized clus were pointing at him after he fully revealed himself.
And we already have an inkling or what is very likely connected to "those across the sea" - the Qunari: a race that arrived to Thedas fairly recently, after escaping something from their original homeland.
Again, you have no idea what retcon its, or how storytelling works. That much is clear.
The Executors are so far ahead of us that not even BioWare’s writers know their plans. 😅
Wow, they really went with the shadowy council with vague motives cliche?
Lazy writing
The Jailer from WoW: "Dragon Age? Yeah that was me too."
The representation of the Executors in this game is symbolic of the writers.
They haven't done anything amazing on their own, so all they can do is latch themselves to the history and retcon them, as if they were part of it. As if this is even the same Bioware that made Inquisition.
@@traiforse5777 It IS actually the same Bioware that made Inquisition, lol
Also, it really would be nice if people stopped confusing payoff with retcons. The Executors have been foreshadowed at least since Inquisition, as were many things (foreshadowed since DAO even) that were resolved in DAVe.
@@MidnightTea7As you said: "since Inquisition" - that's when writers came up with Executors and vaguely introduced them into the game, so it logically can't be a payoff of something from DAO, it's literally a retcon of it. Learn the difference and stop confusing those two yourself ;)
@@MidnightTea7I would say there may have been hints at something greater even since DA2.
This is World of Warcraft Shadowlands level of storytelling.
Seriously, it's like they saw the Jailer being responsible for everything important that happened in WoW and thought "that went over so well with WoW fans, let's do that for our setting too!"
God I almost forgot about Shadowlands, wish you hadn't reminded me.
It's like they watch every single "terrible writing advice" and didn't get that it was a joke
Bioware saw Blizzard retcon their whole story with the Jailer and thought "fuck yeah, we should do that too!"
Where is this ominous recon? Examples? Because after playing DAO, DA2, DAI and DAV I see no problem here.
Oh yes, you're a tourist...got it
@@dukegremory_antichrist If you played those games you absolutely should see a problem here.
Gatekeeping and calling people tourist is obnoxious on it's own, but when you're flexing how you've played the whole series to defend inserting some dipshit illuminati plot into perfectly good stories, that's just embarrassing.
And yes, I've played all the old games multiple times, and played them on launch.
@@dukegremory_antichrist I played them all and think this is ridiculous
@@heckinfunballs203 Exactly I played them all this writing is awful..
@@christurner5791 Then name the redcons/redicilousness, I dare you....
Oh boy so people in robes with smeagol voices were behind all of these?
Or maybe the robes will reveal dwarves on stilts?
Given the general "depth" of this game, 'dwarves on stilts' sounds ingenious
stilts? more likely two dwarves in a trenchcoat
Fuck me what did they do to Dragon Age
bruh play the goddamn game instead of watching the post credit scene immediately after the game's launch with 0 context
@@jillwarricks . The context is very clear. Stop defending lazy writing. .
This another proof of the gendermancer and his team that they hate the past games.
@@jillwarricks go away shill
@@jillwarricks "Ferelden is basically left blighted, save for Redcliffe and small pockets of resistance in Denerim. Kirkwall suffers the same fate, and what remains of its residents have fled to Starkhaven. Orlais has been over-run outside of resistance around the area of the Winter Palace, and venatori infiltrators have made the political situation within Orlais tenuous. It's baffling, and honestly comes across as mean-spirited, making the decision to deliberately target the places that our characters had the most influence." This franchise has been soft rebooted.
Destroyed it
Is that Loghain at 0:28? and the murdered guy in the circle is king Cailan? (Of course the couldn’t show him crucified, could they?)
Yes that is him
So its first game -> second game -> third game
So yeah, too bad we won't get a fifth game
@@chiaohongcheng Too bad we didn't get a fourth game. Oh, well.
@@vanyadolly We did. It's Veilguard. It's pretty good.
@@krasmasov6852 if this become your story and world build bar then you either began to accept shity games or you never played the old games and I mean all games like they didn't eve marked a game in the story near baldur gates 3
It's cute that Bioware thinks they will be around long enough to make another game.
the game is a success so far , so nothing stop it .
i can see this is the new cope narrative after that your first gamble that the game will fail with review bombing and poor salesfailed is the actual cute thing .
to see you struggle to cope and keep delaying and switching narrative to accomodate is adorable you remind me of pro ukraine
@@LauftFafa The game is obviously success so far because DA franchise has some fanbase and they will buy it even if the trailer, gameplay videos, comments, reviews and everything else sucks and tells you it is garbage.....people want to know for themselves.
Where did ukraine pop out of? What relation does it even have with the game?
@@LauftFafa what?
@@11251980l Sucess for who? Dragon's Dogma is a niche game and made WAY better numbers, its not a success at all.
@LauftFafa it's not a success. If it were AA indie it'd be a great success but this is a AAA that cost hundreds of millions. It can't be called complete failure but it definitely didn't succeed.
No continuity, new spooky bad guys. Blight means nothing, Mage and Templar Wars mean nothing, the Rift into the Fade doesn't mean anything. And they waste two of the most compelling characters in the series in a way that openly mocks the former friendship of Elves and Dwarves.
Why would mage and templar wars means anything in tevinter, templars are basically hunting dogs for the mages there 😂
@@klvn2266It meant enough for like entire Orlais and Ferelden
That's like saying Crimea did not mattered 10 years ago
@@Keram-io8hv templair mage war is a civil war and doesn't apply to tevinter ESPECIALLY because they simply do not have the same circle system for mages to rebel against
Even in Inquisition, where this subplot is supposedly set up (which I don't remember at all), physically going into the fade was a huge mindbreaking event, but now it's just a convenient pocket space?
Blight means nothing? What? What are you talking about?
> And they waste two of the most compelling characters in the series in a way that openly mocks the former friendship of Elves and Dwarves.
Nothing is being mocked.
Man, Dragon Age fans are utterly stupid.
So the final villians is the illuminati of this game
We are here
We have waited
We have slept
We are sundered
We are crippled
We are polluted
We endure
We wait
We have found the dreams again
We will awaken
Forgotten Ones.
They were the only Elven lore unanswered in this game.
@@135mikerules23 so maybe the executors are the forgotten ones ?
So in Dragon age 5 , Dumat and others Magister except corrypheus and the Architect will return ? Maybe the return of Andraste to broke the corruption forever
@ dumat is dead he was the first arch demon to die. It’s probably about the executors across the sea aka the forgotten ones.
If Forbidden Ones are really coming I wonder if we will ever see Maker and Andraste somehow.
@@matp7786 Mythal was Andraste.
10 years and this was the best they could come up with
This is so bad they must have done it intentionally to make old fans angry.
If they wanna save the franchise, we need DLC's for the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke and Inquisitor to save the game
@@BamBam-3886 There is no saving anything. It's over.
They made the whole game to make the old fans angry.😂
@@BamBam-3886They also said there won't be any Dlc. They are going straight to Mass Effect to ruin it next. If theres going to be queer or non-binary krogan, you will know where it came from.
@@Tridetus I hope there is just to spite people like you
It was the Jailer all along!
Either we get to see the forgotten ones (thus the relevance to Bellara’s mission) or we get to see the revenge from the titans or or or the reason why the first fleet of qunari escaped
In Dock Town there’s a hidden place with the warden, hawke, inquisitor and rook’s papers all tied by red and purple string.
I know they said DLC was out of question, but this leaves more questions than answersss
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Thanks, I hate it.
So just like Dragon Age 2 & Dragon Age Inqusition. You people whine every time it's must be exhausting to be this miserable.
@@reddishcarp1237this ending is literally as bad as a story ending with “it was a dream all along”
It’s literally “evil council orchestrating everything all along”
It has no depth and takes meaning away from every decision made in prior games.
How anyone can sit there and reward this kind of behaviour from game writers is insanity.
@@reddishcarp1237na it’s actually fun to watch terrible writers create what they think is Shakespeare and turns out to be a pre teens self insert fiction. Kinda adorable in a way, Like a chimpanzee drawing with crayons.
Debe ser agotador estar enojado todo el dia
@Mick_Unfiltered 🥱 same ass tired whining argument with every time a new Dragon Age comes out. Come up with something original pal
So one of the mysterious secret orders was to blame for the entire series. Specifically the one from outside the continent.
Well with this bit of questionable revelation, anyone want to guess that The Executors are what sent the Qun running all the way to Thedas?
Also does this imply that everything from Origins to Veilguard was to weaken all the kingdoms, organizations and remove all the entities that could have threatened them?
Or Forgotten ones
So in Dragon age 5 , Dumat and others Magister except corrypheus and the Architect will return ? Maybe the return of Andraste to broke the corruption forever
@@matp7786 Old Gods are all dead dead as of Veilguard ending, there are still some points that I think this secret ending is leading to though: who exactly gave the idea for spirits to become physical entities, where did the Qunari come from and how did humans (dwarves and elves are explained already) end up on Thedas which can also be related to the final question, is the Maker real?
Taash Quest suggest that the Qunari came running from the Executioners and "mixed" with dragons to survive (whatever that means). The Forgotten Ones are just some random evil elves who have been partially dealt with in Bellara's quest.
And yes, this implies that the Executioners were pulling an "It was Agatha all along" to supplant Thedas, for reasons. Since this is terrible writing, I fully expect that they turn out to be a secret Lovecraftian race, as that’s the only level of power scaling left after dealing with the literal elven gods. Bioware might not yet be dead, but it's writing surely is braindead.
@@hinkelstein1494 it is dead... sales show it...
Wow...I really hate everything this game has done to the lore. So many retcons and even when it isn't a retcon it's getting the established lore like the Dalish or the Qunari is wrong.
Now we have some Shadowlands Jailer type retcon where it turns out some new super duper bad guy has actually been behind everything and no characters actually have any agency of their own? Sweet...love that.
The elves stuff was not retconned, that was originally so. But they just chose to ignore Dalish in Veilguard. Antham got retconned into villain's
What retcons are you talking about? Big lore fan, finished the game today. Only retcon I noticed was the Well of Sorrows.
100% wrong. No recons, and the way this story tied the lore and history was genius
@@RandomWandrer
When in DA Origins, DA2 or DAI was these shadowy Council forshadowed exactly?
@@Blanckspace-f5j 2 war table missions in Dragon Age Inquisition. Those across the sea from Thedas
So the events of every single game was the result of the bad guys being manipulated like puppets? What do you wanna bet that once these guys are defeated in the next game, an even GREATER evil is going to show up like the obito
I don't know about you but "GUIDED and WHISPERED" does not imply controlling people like puppets
@@ryder98307 Yes. Yes it does. It implies that the actions they took were because of their guidance and whispers... that without them, they would not have taken those actions that threw Thedas into turmoil.
@@ryder98307 in dragon age, where dark spawn, blighted people, and those under the control and thrall of powerful mages can be controlled by whispers, that is exactly what is being implied.
@@ryder98307 Idk about you but this writing ended a few brain cells
No, not like puppets. They were manipulated, not controlled.
Hey it's just like World of Warcraft. Always a bigger bad.
Some hope-ium:
One of BioWare's leads (John Epler) stated it wasn't their intention to have them (the executors) be truly responsible. They wanted to show they were involved at the very least, nudging and guiding in subtle ways for those who were already going down those paths since it served their interests. They explicitly stated that for someone like Loghain doing what he did was 100% his own choice and reasoning, it's just that Loghain didn't know he was getting some subtle help from a third party.
If they DO retcon it and make them actually responsible (like Loghain had a stupid meeting to do the bidding of someone else) then yea fuck that.
But if what BioWare said is true, then all is not lost and honestly, can lead into something really cool.
Except their current writing team doesn't have the skills to properly weave such a tale, as seen with Veilguard.
Get your hopium ready. You'll need more than one truckload.
@@MuraCasardis What? The writing in Veilguard was good
@@krasmasov6852 The writing in veilguard IMO can be best described as a carrot on a stick. At first you're excited to reach the carrot but just as you think you are going to reach the carrot (the good writing) it keeps getting away from your grasp.
It's not necessarily super bad, it's just not good either. It's probably better than Andromeda but it's nowhere near Origins or the ME trilogy (bar the ME 3 issues).
@@krasmasov6852 How much did they paid you to write that... and did it cover the brain damage?
@@riptors9777 Prove me wrong
Fantastic choice, It worked very well in World of Warcraft, everybody loved the Jailor, I'm sure this will be even better.
Wait, no..
So when they say the "Veilguard remains Vigilant" - are we referring to a DLC, or DA5 here? I wouldn't mind a little DLC for Veilguard. Considering how much the inquisitor was talking about the South being in disarray with the Blight it would be cool if you could do a DLC mission where you could go back to Skyhold, Kirkwall or Denerim to fend off a blighted dragon.
theres not going to be a dlc, they've already sank too much money on whatever this was. This is not me saying it, the retards at bioware confirmed it
bioware said no plans for dlcs. DA5 is most likely...if bioware still exists
@@kale4577They hinted at five years ago (before Veilguard was in full swing)
I hope we can play as rook still tbh , "the wolf defanged " the lyrim dagger was called the wolfs fang by the care taker, and the veil guard stays vigilant might hint that ?
They're not going to make a DLC for this game. This is setting up the next full DA game.
and they have the massive, shameless BALLS to sequel bait....when they've already announced NO DLC and that they will be turning all of their resources to a new mass effect installment
WHat kind of retarded complaint is this, a sequel will eventually come
Yes, no dlc is needed because they wanted to put everything in the game, imagine being mad they didnt cut out some of the game to shove into dlc to nickel and dime you
@@ZakharonHeaven forbid lol
Guaranteed you were deepthroating Larian for choosing to do no dlc for bg3. Whatever you feel about Veilguard it is a good sign that the greediest company around to make a full length single player rpg with no extra monetization. Maybe they’re starting to realize games like that can in fact still be a success.
@@Zakharon That's not what OP meant at all.
Lazy writing. They weren't content here had to take a dump on the past games. My headcanon the story ended with Inquisition(I personally believe is a masterpiece) and the outcome of the war with Solas unknown. Just shutdown Bioware because activist hacks have taken it over the franchise is dead.
There was only one Dragon Age game, and it ended with the Awakening expansion (or the Witch Hunt DLC)
@@cyberninjazero5659 that’s a insane cope right there lil bro🤣
@@elijahbrooks1472 It would be better for it. Bioware is only good for one shot
Сompletely agree
you have got to be kidding me....their are few worse writing mistakes you can make than undermining your villains, this is the writers essentially shitting on all the previous games and all of those writers hard work at developing characters and motivation.
Thats why they did it.
None of the previous villains were undermined at all. Listening to the devil on your shoulder doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your actions.
You know they have no idea what to write anything meaningful anymore when they resort to "The Jailor" move.
Ah yes, nothing like having the entire story invalidated and all choices rendered meaningless because the new writers think they can tell a better story. I hope every single one of these hacks get fired and never work again.
Reminds me of Blizzard
I mean. They literally threw over the whole project to write wokeness into the game. For a qunari of all things 😅
@@thiami576 If you think wokeness hasn't been there since Origins, you never played these games.
Nothing was invalidated. What are you talking about?
Idk, on the one hand I like the idea of some dormant power across the seas awakening after Solas and the Blights are finally stopped, but on the other hand I don’t like the agency of our villains being taken away.
Part of what made Loghain such an interesting and even compelling villain/character is that he legitimately believed he was doing what was good and best for his country, he even acknowledges your strength after beating him in a duel and is satisfied knowing that you will defend Ferelden in his place if you choose to kill him. If he turns out to have just been mind controlled the entire time, it will take away everything that made him an interesting and fun character, and will make me doubt going forward the intention of any enemy we come across.
But I’m willing to see what, if anything, they do with this in a future game, though I will say no DLC that could shed a bit of light on the executor’s is at this point possibly a mistake on BioWare’s part.
Just because they tried to plant ideas doesn't mean that he (and others) didn't choose to act. He still bears responsibility for his actions. This kind of reminds me of the Deus Ex games, where you literally had the Illuminati pulling strings behind the scenes, but things definitely didn't always go how they wanted.
Oh Bioware. From spearheading the industry to following trends.
Wow they really did fire all their writers
The executors were in DAI guys , these folks have been a HUGE mystery for awhile and David Gaider confirmed Bioware is still following some super secret lore book they wrote years ago, this is ACTUALLY prob it lmao
It’s dumb tho. It undercuts the agency & already throughly developed motivations of Loghain, the magisters sidereal, flemeth. If this was the plan should have stayed in drafts.
yeah and I didn't really like DAI too much. also even if it is in the book that doesn't change how... shitty it seems.
You can have the Executors without undermining years of storytelling. Since we knew nothing about them Bioware could have made anything up but instead they undermine old characters to build up theirs. It’s weak writing.
Literally. I don’t get where people are getting this undermining villains thing from when literally in the same video they talk about spreading ‘whispers’ this only means that they simply harboured doubts in Loghains mind ultimately it still was him tho who was fully in control and made the choice to leave the King and basically stage a coup
@@xnAqua Thank you for being the only one paying attention. Came here after I finished the game because I missed this.
It's pretty clear Loghain had agency, but was being influenced. Pointed in a direction =/= forced to go in a direction.
As a reminder to those who actually play the game, there are other threats mentioned such as the event that drove the qunari to Thedas. There are other lands outside of Thedas and DA 1-4 is really internal focus (mainly blight stuff tbh with a smattering of mage hate) But now the blight has been sealed away maybe whoever this is wanted the blight to be cleared away/handled so they could arrive.
They had 3 wartable missions in inquisition involving the executors. But they were mostly an unknown culture from across the seas spying on events or intervening behind the scenes. They were not all knowing or all powerful as they needed to spy, and hope the inquisitor could kill coriphyus meaning they could not do it on their own. But now BioWare are making them out to be a thanos level threat, it’s silly and kinda ruins the lore balance.
Does this change the fact that this is 100% lazy sequel bait? As the executors are already shown in inquisition to be of a similar / slightly stronger spy / military strength as Thedases countries. But now they are some all seeing all mighty shadow organization.
@@wikkedawsome You mean a series of games wants to continue? Wow.
@@BuddhaJames08Damn you are trully shilling there for bad writing
@@Keram-io8hv I am sorry that I actually know the lore because I read.
Not sure why many complain ... Having an influence over certain characters doesn't mean they had no motives at all. One can invoke or strenghten an emotion in an other person without actually wiping away they motives. It's about feeding their frame of mind not giving them theirs.
aaah yes that cheap plot to prolong the franchise : a powerfull behind it all figure,
one minute copy paste from world of warcraft shadowlands plot which by the way is terrible
"Evil cannot create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good"
Why make an original story if you can just destroy the work of others?
If only veteran DAO writers worked on this game. Oh wait they did
Thanks!
Not enough to ruin the future, they want to try to ruin the past as well.
Yall clearly missed so much codex info on the executors in DA Inquisition
"Don't come" - Kamala Harris 0:48
Smells like the Ascians
Damn Allagans... It's always Allagans...
It is the Ascians without FFXIV's competent writing team who were working off half-finished nonsense from the original release and the reboot and molding it into something halfway coherent.
ha! They wish they had that story arc!
Loghains not manipulated he's narrow minded
And Bartrand was not manipulated, he was just greedy before the Red Lyrium made him go nuts.
@@varric And what's even the point? "Take this idol to the surface and sell it. Oh and also leave your brother behind to die because that's relevant somehow. "
@@vanyadolly Bartrand was the typical greedy jerk. Also, Woke Age: Failguard is not even canon to me. Who really cares about that failure of a game?
@@varric All bioware writers will now follow varric's canon
@@vanyadolly The expedition for the red lyrium idol directly led to the mage rebellion
read the comments but apparently nobody asks the question that matters to BW devs. Are the Executioners non binary or not? What is their sexual identity? That's the only thing matters
Imagine thinking you were actually cooking with this comment
NOOOOOO WHY WOULD YOU DO THE BLIZZARD SHADOWLANDS WHOLE STORY WAS SET UP BY BIG BAD ME RETCON NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
it was the Shadow Government all along!
Fuck. Zovaal 'The Jailor' has done it again.
15 years of build up, only to be overshadowed by someone's fanfiction.
at this point, the plot is no different from manhwa The Beginning After Then End
dont you love it when modern writers attach themselves to an existing franchise, and twist the entire world to fit their story destroying what came before... we need a word for mary sue writers that bend the world to them
Where did they twist it though? Tell me one single example? Because you people are always bitching and I see zero examples/outright lies, which implies you either never played any of the games or were to fricking lazy to read the codex.
@@dukegremory_antichristkeep crying in peoples comments it doesn't help the fact this game has zero future and has less sales than star wars outlaws it's a typical boring shadow organization that was pulling the stings all along is so played out and you know it this franchise is done
@@mustycrusty754 Sure thing crybaby, projection always helps. B1tch, you couldn't name a single example then gtfo
@@mustycrusty754 That's not what this says. The Executors weren't puppetting previous villains. They were giving a push when needed. Just because you listened to the devil on your shoulder doesn't mean that you aren't responsible for your actions.
Just leaving this comment here for the future, to show people that not every fan from 2024 actually jumped to conclusions about what this meant. At least I'm aware Bioware was never planning to pull the whole 'Every bad guy in the past games were under the control of the Executors'. I know they were just being whisphered to and fed suggestions for the villians to act upon as a part of their own free will. 2024 Dragon Age players were just dramatic in their assumptions lol.
Just finished Veilguard. My biggest gripe with it plot wise, is that it makes the world smaller. The Fade, Titans and dwarfs, lyrium, the Blight and Darkspawn, Maker and the Golden City? Ancient Elven Gods were responsible for that. Now it seems that they intend to put a hat on a hat and reveal that there is yet another puppet master in form of a random and obscure thing mentioned once in a War Table mission in Inquisition. It just makes everything feel smaller.
You know. With veilguard i really thought it will end now. That we defeat the blightened gods and the blight disappears forever. The blight to end all blights. ??? Ring a bell? No? I wouldve loved to see characters from all games pop up. Have use of the dragon keep again and then see my heroes from DAO and 2 also pop up. Imagine getting a quest from some grunpy elf and then meeting hawke in the fade and come back out together to reunite with Fenris and the rest. And everyone has a funeral for varrictogether bc HOW DARE THEY BLOODY KILL MY GUY! ㅠㅠ i was shook and i cried...
And i thought it all ends and all had purpose just to find out they are trying the Final Fantasy forever stories...
They ruined everything with this ending
I believe the executors are agents of the forgotten ones and now that the board is cleared, they want to reclaim the lands.
Just trying to figure out how nudging all these people to do what they did from the shadows (through agents or otherwise) helps them achieve their goal.
So they basically ignored the events of Origins and 2 by showing that the whole time Loghain's obsession with Orlais, Bartrand betraying Varric with Meredith's fear of Mages and everything with Corypheus was all orchestrated by a secret society of Illuminati? Ok... we need DLC's for this game to be saved in order to set-up Dragon Age 5
Omg they didn't. The fear of Orlais was exploited to make Loghain mad. That's why he surrounded himself with simps and eradicated/tortured enemies/sceptics. Means: the "secret enemies" fed him probably mssinformation to manifest his fear even further.
Bartrand had clues about some treasures in the deep roads, probably from the same sources who wanted him to find the red lyrium idol.
Corypheus was one of the magisters of old, who entered the Black City with the help of Old gods and probably the mysterious sources, who provided them with information.
Why "probably" because I refer to the secret ending which would connect to the previous events but we don't know who those people are yet.
It isn't retcon dumba$$, it's called "unraveling". I know reading is hard for you but maybe you should read the codex entries for once, because if you did you wouldn't spew bs into the ether.
No, not at all. The Executors are manipulators, not puppet masters.
Loghain was straight up delisional thinking that Orlais was a threat during the Fifth Blight. We already know that Celene and Cailan were planning on working together. Is it too much of a stretch to think that the Executors may have played on Loghain's fears of Orlais to push him over the edge? He would be the perfect target for that kind of manipulation. No mind control or removal of character agency required. Loghain is still at fault for what he did.
Though I love Dragon Age: The Veilguard, 'tis rather bold of BioWare to tease yet another future threat in Thedas. Considering they're on thin ice at the moment.
People see this scene as a "they pulled all the strings" I see it more as they saw opportunities that were happening and merely nudged them one way or another, they most likely didn't cause all these things to happen unless they directly state that later, otherwise as a long time fan of the series, I have no problem with this and some people need to just grow up
I do agree with the criticism that its kinda cheap to disregard series if they ARE setting a big bad, but I also think if they see enough backlash and dont want to scrap the idea that them having merely been there and watched/ took advantage as it unfolded as you said is def the best case. Id personally love that route more
@@Justiceway007 Another way to see it is that it is a subtle way to say "hey, did you only play veilguard? Go play the other games"
Plus I believe it was more taking advantage of what was already happening like putting a bunch of yes men around Loghain or making sure no one disagreed with him too much so Ferelden would be in chaos.
Damn they really did go and pull a Zovaal on us huh? MF'ing FF7R Whispers in my Dragon Age now.
I am sorry the story was fine and i think it made perfect sense this secret ending i feel people these days just want to hate because its cool withouth actual good arguments....
The magistrates that brought the blight to the world, I take it?
Veilguard: "The elves and the Illuminati are responsible for everything!" Officially non canon.
To everyone.
The Executer only GUIDED Loghain. This surely means that she gave Loghain the right information. So that he acted as he did.
Because that is how we know them. This group already appears in the book and also in Inquisition. And we only ever saw them passing on information etc.
So this new information doesn't change Loghain at all, don't worry.
I wonder if the Executer work for the Titans?
I mean, who would benefit most from these goals? The Titans. And thats COOL lore!
Dont get me wrong, i was worried to, but if you think about it, it CAN be very good!
sure, and veilguard could have been great too XD
@@biropgrulesget out of here and cry somewhere else
@@biropgrules It was
the craziest part? each of them is actually 3 dwarfs in a mantle, but this will be revealed in DA6
This new antagonist,who was secretly behind the bad things that happened before troupe, is cheap,lazy, and just dumb writing.
Yeah if only the Executors were set up a decade ago. Oh wait...
This… was the most DISAPPOINTING thing I have ever seen. One of the absolute LAZIEST plot hooks… I for one certainly AIN’T buying this game!
Okay, so... Is it just me or it seems like Executors are actually the Scaled Ones?
Balanced, whispered, guided... The full might of the Blight is coming ? Dumat's return ?
The Chantry ? Cassandra Pentaghast will spread the words of the maker ?
I do not CARE about all these negative comments, I love this. Are these the ones from beyond the seas the franchise has been hinting at for ages? If so, yes please.
IKR HOW IS IT I FIND OUT NOW THERE THOSE FOLK, LIKE PEOPLE HERE TALK LIKE THERE NEW LOL
My sister and I made the prediction that if they were going to do a fifth game (which they had hinted back after inquisition launched), they were going to have to address 1) the elven gods and 2) the qunari and “those across the sea”… clearly can’t do that in a single game. It amazes me people who call themselves fans didn’t see this coming.
It would make sense why Orsino went crazy if he was being manipulated since the whole time we knew him he was fine.
DUUUUUUUUUUUDE IT'S SO HECKING COOL THAT EVERY PLOT IS NOW CONNECTED TO TIME JANNIES !
Right? I love it too
BIoware need to create A DLC about the CURE for the Grey Warden Maybe including the HERO OF FERELDEN OR HAWKE ….
they already announced that they will not make any DLC for this game😑
and mainly focus on mass effect 4-5
@@jacksonmiltin4199dog company Bioware
expectations subverted
The amount of hate this game gets is unreal. Been here since the start of the franchise, this was a good game. I refuse to jump on the hate train.
SO much lying, so SO much lying too
I want to say that the group could possibly be "The Forgotten Ones" but weren't they locked up by Solas? 🤔
The group is the Executors or Those Across the Sea. In Veilguard, these might also be the same people that the ancient Qunari referred to as the Devouring Storm.
All planned by the Jailer
Don't think we need a World of Warcraft Jaileresque storyline where everything that happened before was all one big plot by a higher power.
Make a new threat sure but it doesn't need to retroactively go back and be the great manipulators of literally everything.
haha i have 0 interest in another dragon age story sequal. I was only excited for dread wolf after the dragon age inquisition set it up to be cool. Now that lamegaurd sucked im done with this franchise. Yes i got tricked and preordered this game,
Get your hands off the previous games, they do not belong to you! Create something of your own!
This is the Executors.
Yes and the codex entries tie them to the forgotten Ones
This bs and lazy writing
@@SeventhheavenDK”it was all just a dream” type of writting
@Mick_Unfiltered Technically, that's not far off from being literal and not a mocking.
We've learned in this title that the Taint/Blight is the dreams of the Titans that went mad because Solas and Mythal made them tranquil.
That the Evanuris were the first elves and were originally spirits that manifested physical forms using lyrium which caused the war with the Titans.
We learned that the Old Gods were thralls of the Evanuris and they were using them as conduits to control the Magisters who worshipped the old gods.
Dreams and the Fade are at the center of everything.
And, about the only mysteries left are the Forgotten Ones and whether or not the Maker actually exists.
So the Executors are probably going to be associated with one or the other and if it gets made, Dragon Age 5 probably would be the series finale.
@@arynrosci87it will be weird going from killing gods to killing possible overseas elves who’s military might is only equal to or slightly stronger then the inquisition. As they stated coriphius was a danger to them all, and he was basically henchman level to the old gods
Those 5 guys around a bloody table. A veery similar image was used in dragon age origins. Only without a corpse on the table and the white hooded guys
Im here because i didnt check behind the chest in arlatham forest :DDDDDDDDD
It’s awful, it’s beyond awful. I hope every writer involved with veilguard is fired and hazed from the industry forever. Lazy, spineless and insulting writing.
The worst decision they could have made. Undoing not just the current game which was an absolute waste of time that I wished I never played, but also trying to undo the previous good games??
Instead of human villains making mistakes because they’re flawed and misguided, it was yet another bland arch villain that has never even been hinted at before.
I cannot even describe the depth of my disappointment and pain
Nothing was undone whatsoever. What are you even talking about? This does nothing to suggest that the Executors were controlling people like Loghain or Meredith like puppet masters. They are manipulators, not mind controllers.
Also never even been hinted at before? Lmao tourist. The Executors were first mentioned in DA2.
bioware went from an industry-leading powerhouse to a skeleton of its former self. it will be good to see the studio put down for it's own good.
I miss my Hero of Ferelden...
Shadowlands retcon all over again. How lame. Would be funny if this was the last Dragon Age. Also, was that Matt Mercer?
Veilguard almost got cancelled. It was even called Dragon Age: Dread Wolf.
Yeah and even if Dragon Age The Veilguard will be successful it will be another 10-15 years till we see it
These guys were behind everything...
Now, an evil HoF run? That was just you wildin. I can see it now...
"Hey mike, this guy you?"
"Nah man, that aint me. Jerry that you?"
"You know it aint me, guys, cmon."
"Jesus fuck he just stabbed that girl over some ashes."
"Thats fucked up man"
Literally why was this necessary. The Evanuris thing was bad enough but the Executors are somehow even worse. I didn't expect such simplified writing from people who wrote DAO/DA2. The writing really went downhill after DAI.
I just can imagine, that DA origins writer drinks her morning coffe, and after seeing this, spits it out and goes: "WHAT!?" in angry voice
So we cant we visit golden city in this game?. Well aim kinda disspointed.
The “Golden City” was the prison the elven gods were in lol have you been paying attention🤣?
@@elijahbrooks1472 i hadnt played game, taht why im asking
The Blight prison? Yeah not really a place you'd want to visit
Wait what? Is it the ending cineamtic? I got this video during the early hours. Was it a bug then?
I didn't understand what does it mean in the narrative. Maybe this is why? It loaded in a different point of the story?
No the post is just rage bait. It's a dumb retcon. But it's not the ending
Do you remember where this played early game? I also got it early but cannot remember where. Trying to find it i found this video but it had a different voice over i thought and am just trying to figure out where it played then.
I saw it around retrieving the dagger, I think
what is that? naruto? soon they will introduce a kaguya who manipulated everyone, even the executioners
Voice is Matt Mercer, I'm pretty sure.
I’m convinced the devs did this on purpose because of everyone (including me) bitching about the lazy writing.
Also they drew Corypheus wrong. Dogshit ending.
Why is everyone whining about WoW in these comments? As if BioWare cares how Blizzard does things. Just more whining for the sake of whining.
This game dug up and shat all over the corpses of the previous games worse than we thought holy fuck.
Bro how?
@ Did you even watch the video?
@@nunyabusiness7942 Yes. Again, how?
@@krasmasov6852 If you can watch that video and not see how retroactively going “all the important decisions and interesting character choices the villains made was all because of an evil shadow Illuminati!!!” isnt insanely stupid and shits all over the story of the previous games then it’s hopeless for you. Then again I shouldn’t be surprised someone larping as a fictional dead communist who lost super hard in the setting he’s from has goofy takes.
@@nunyabusiness7942 That's not what the video suggests. It is absurd to think that the influence of the Executors is the sole reason why characters did what they did. Loghain's irrational hatred of Orlais plus his position of power made him a good target for manipulation, which is all the Executors ever did btw. They don't do mind control or anything.
Also Mazov was 100% correct in that setting lmao
Did Bioware just copy/paste the Jailorstory from Blizzard? I'm losing my ducking mind
More likely they are trying to copy Ascians from FFXIV