Also about heightened security: Hades's vases leaving green handy goo wich is considered (at least as far as I can tell) to be a trap, so with heightened security You just give Hades ultimate cheese 120 damage wild card.
Thanks for these tips, I just beat Hades for the first time last night. It took me 39 tries it was so awesome to get through. With the heat guide it changes the game so much. The replay ability is endless, characters dialogue continues to go on. This is by far one of the best games ever!!!
How to make heightened security managable: Stay mindful of the map's layout Alterative option: Sure Footing boon from athena Changes from the future: budget cuts is gone, we got 4th extreme measures, now hades has a 3rd phase. Also no choice has been renamed to approval process, which also affects item choice in wells of charon and tight deadline can now go as low as 5 minutes per region
So that's why I never felt confident about taking tight deadline, I have been using calisthenics program for a while and never thought that that was the reason it was taking so long. Thanks for bringing that up, loved the list.
Before they buffed forced overtime I actually felt that it was worse than hard labor. I usually play very methodical so I try to not go ham on everything and dodge more etc so I didn't have much trouble with the extra damage. However the extra speed is so jarring even at rank 1 (10% back then) I got hit all the time. But once you reach higher heats you are almost forced to take tight deadline and forced overtime as everything else does not only make the game harder but actually makes it less fun, like no choice and underworld customs. Even though it is the most effective I still don't like tight deadline and forced overtime as they transform your playstyle in a certain way. You are pretty much forced to go apeshit on everything and I'm just not a fan of that type of reckless playstyle. Hell I've seen most people just facetank Hades in the end because killing him faster negates more damage than trying to dodge.
I like to take the mechanics based ones first as well, like extreme measures, middle management, and forced overtime, just because they're ones I feel like you're eventually going to need to get used to, so you may as well practice it earlier before you have to really start making things tough. There's a lot of weapon aspect dependent nuances to heat choice later on, but yeah, early on those are good ones to get used to. Edit: Also, I used to always take heightened security, but... I'm pretty sure the green flasks on the Hades fight are affected, and they HUUUUURRRRRTTTT
Excellent guide. I'm sitting at about 7 heat on my runs lately and getting used to Forced Overtime is really challenging me - it feels like the biggest turn of the difficulty dial. I think Damage Control might be the best alternative since it also doesn't have the same high level of punishment that Hard Labor does, but I think I'd get used to that more easily. That said, it is very loadout dependent
at last i killed Hades, now working my way with heat, great guide. Loved extreme measure, only tried for the furys, such cool change for the game. I would love something like this in enter the gungeon
The one that increases trap and magma damage is absolutely brutal when you get to the second phase of the Hades fight. Getting caught by the green arms is basically an immediate death sentence.
And finally worth mentioning, that on Hell mode you have exclusive unremovable pact of having no I-frames aside from dash, Broken Spearpoint and Athena's boons.
Just got this game on the Switch a couple weeks ago. Finally beat my first run a couple days ago, and was really confused on how bounties worked. Thanks for the vid!
Man, I was so disappointed: I just beat hades for the first time yesterday and I thought that the story continues like: demeter has frozen the world and now you can literally turn on the heat in hell to thaw the glaciers outside. That would have been sooo cool! Anyway, thanks for the video! Really helpful stuff!
I tried Calisthenics Program once thinking, "Oh, it's probably not a big deal"-I swear, I will never do it again. Even if you rank it up just once it takes longer to finish even one chamber, especially in Elysium :( I managed to escape that run but it was such a drag. Never Again 😭
I think the worst part is how it makes small ennemy over damage threshold you're used to. Like, those skulls in tartarus, not killing them in 1hit feels so bad and make them soooo much harder to deal with.
The problem with the Heat system is that it's still in development and get tinkered around the most out of all the game features I would say. Who knows? Maybe next patch will have a 4th lv of Extreme Measure and completely redo this heat system... again.
Super late comment but just wanted to say thank you for putting these guides together; for the first time since picking up the game I’m consistently making it to Hades (and escaping sometimes) but I’ve been overthinking how to increase the difficulty in ways that don’t make the game not fun to play anymore. I think I’m gonna start with Extreme Measures for the first 2 bosses and will take it from there.
I agree with basically everything, and I think that the reason hard labor and lasting consequences are so crushing is because it punishes you for bad RNG. A bad build happens sometimes and I fell those 2 pacts capitalize on that. This is my personal opinion but I think the extreme measures pact is more fun, I just get bored of the base bosses now.
For me, Budget Cuts is THE worst option, because even a single point cuts you off from so many benefits and makes your runs just feel weaker overall. Also, if you want to take it, you have to run back to your mirror first and fiddle with it and consider a whole other slew of options of how to make your run harder - almost like another pact of punishment. I find this to be neither well designed nor balanced.
Whilst you may dislike it, some players might not be interested in the shop. This option isn't meant for ALL players, it's meant for SOME players. It is a dramatically different play-style to the norm, but some players might like that. I personally don't run it, but I have been tempted! It's still too early game for me to consider running an "anti-gold" build. Basically I'm just trying to say is the option IS well designed, it's just for a more specific audience that helps broadens Hades appeal :-)
@@hamyman35 I'm refuting the claim that the perk is "not to be well designed nor balanced", not their personal opinion! Anyone and everyone is entitled to that :-)
Tbh from a game design perspective I really hate Lasting Consequences maxing out at 100% because it ends up turning off a large part of the game and making a lot of the boons and a few keepsakes do effectively nothing if not actually nothing. it gets even worse with Approval Process imo, nothing is lamer than going for, say, a Demeter boon, and then being forced to take 0% heal with 0% bonus healing because the other options are unavailable.
There are some. Effects that aren't reduced by lasting consequences. For instance stubborn defiance becomes a once per room heal, guan you spin attack still heals, Hermes dash heal still works. It requires a different playstyle for sure!
Extreme Measures now causes good ol' Lernie to break off of the neck that keeps it in the center of the arena, upon reaching 1/3rd health, when it summons it's second wave of heads. Makes it a good bit more difficult, but still manageable.
I find the fact that Lasting Consequences only gives 1 heat per rank, including the final one, is what makes it way to punishing for the cost. Maybe making it to 30% a rank and 3 total ranks, with an increase in the heat for the last rank would be better.
Ive been starting out by doing clears with tight deadline because I find it pretty easy to make it through within the 9min time limit. Kind of brutal that it goes down to mins on the second level though haha, so far my fastest clear was 28mins8seconds which would’ve been 8 seconds too slow. Thanks for another very useful video Edit: oh I just got to the part where you talk about tight deadline - that’s interesting, I assumed you just insta lost if you hit the time limit.
When I first turned on Forced Overtime (20%, not max) while playing a run with each of the pact of punishment options individually activated to see how it would go i actually thought my game was glitched because I noticed so little difference and checked it multiple times during the run to make sure. I’m not bragging or anything, I suck at the game. It just has that little effect overall.
Also worth mentioning, that, apparently, You can't rerun with the weapon on X amount of heat if You cleared the run already, making it an eventuality that You will be softlocked in a save file once You clear all weapons all the way up to 47 heat. Nota bene, this applies to hell mode save, normal save allows you to run itself after beating.
It's a bit weird that you could potentially ruin your item collecting for a save by somehow completing on a high heat very early on. I feel like they need to implement a better system, like gaining multiple rewards for a big jump up in heat.
Yeah I was wondering how that worked. Makes it so that you really don't want to skip any heat when you want all the upgrades. You could technically ruin your save file completely if you were to run all weapons on full heat which is kinda stupid. Not that that would happen (hopefully) but it's something to consider.
@@Gerry9000000 but even then it does not solve more fundamental problem of the mode. If You can't rerun on a certain amount of heat, it means that eventually You'll softlock after reaching 30-ish heat, or however far You can go, and that's it, You won't be able to play on the save file anymore, because You can't break through on higher heat and are not allowed to try lower, so You just tryhard this amount You stuck on for eternity. And when You beat 47 heat and everything prior, You just quit. Seems not so rewarding of a mod.
Oh wow, how have this not been brought up to the devs? This is something they definitely want to change...Gonna have to check the dev discussions forums on steam to see if this has been brought up to say something if not.
Heat. LoL how appropriate. Gotta love Supergames. I do. However, first I need to get to Hades. At some point. 36 attempts and counting. Then Heat. Because I can’t seem to put this game down lol. So thank you for the video! Stay safe.
Forced overtime is weird for me. At my current skill level and play style, I notice that Hyper Sprint (faster after dodging) increases my win rate dramatically. It makes the game much easier for me and the Hades fight almost trivial. Forced overtime is the opposite effect. It makes me slower in relation to the enemies (mainly thinking hades here). I’ve never lost to hades so quickly as when I put on forced overtime. Maybe FO plus hyper sprint would even out but FO without HS means I can’t seem to avoid anything hades does. Again given my play style and skill level HS is one the my most highly sought after boons. I’d rather run calisthenics and use powerful builds than effectively running anti hyper sprint. I’m sure as I get better this will change but you don’t get to practice hades that much since he’s at the end of the run.
Also, for me, Calisthenics Program and Jury Summons are basically the same pact, it just depends on what build I have. If I'm going for a single target build, I take Calisthenics Program. If I'm going for an AOE build, I take Jury Summons. It just makes sense.
I usually like to run a level of Jury Summons quite early. Until world 3 I don't feel that the normal room enemies are that punishing, and you get a bit of extra coin from the extra kills to. So not just a pure downside. But then I really dislike Tight Deadline so might be part of it. Those doesn't really mix.
I just beat the game for the 3rd time...after the first I was running the calisthenics program for my heat...now I know why those other wins took so long
Really enjoy the list, but find it super interesting how different your choices are than mine have been so far. I've been running heightened security since unlocking PoP and feel it's something you can get used to, and made me better about my positioning. I've also been running a point or two in hard labor because the normal enemies die so quickly, I don't notice much of a change. Will have to start using forced overtime and tight deadline, I like the quick runs anyways.
I kinda feel like underworld customs is a 2 heat freebie. I avoided it for a long time and then I realized that you actually want to sell boons way more often than I was doing. You don't really use all of them anyway most of the time, and you still get the obols with underworld customs. Also, it makes it alot easier to get palms and nectars on the boons you want them on. I kinda see this as free heat for doing what I should be doing anyway.
That's a good point! As I've done higher heat runs sometimes it can be a really good thing to keep the build lean. However I've been screwed out of a duo boon I was going for as well, which sucks!
@@JawlessPaul true, though I've also gotten the wrong duo by having to much stuff. Its all about selling off the right boons so you can control what the game gives you.
I'm not entirely sure that forced overtime is one that you can "get used" to. There's a limit to reflexes after all, and it becomes a massive problem against bosses like Asterius and Hades when you have to get up close with a melee weapon.
I'm so glad I followed your advice with Extreme Measures and Forced Overtime. That helped get me to the final bounties and that 32 heat statue. I then took them all off for fun and the game is sooooooo much slower! Tisiphone, Asterius and the flamewheels couldn't touch me.
the first level of jury summons is fine but the second is already too much if you want to get two levels of tight deadline. heightened security is so awful in Styx considering the layout of certain rooms and the fact that hades urns will deal 150 damage, it should give at least 2 heat. hard labor is manageable with some boons but it makes the game a lot harder especially beacause let's face it most people will get hit by bosses at least a few times
Styx sounds scary with some of these yes...last night I was sitting pretty by Stix and made the mistake of opening an internal trove on a really ill layout-d room which spanned the whole room with rats which I couldn't kill fast enough and covered it with poison...may have ruined my run...lol
Just adding the pact of punishment is already difficult as it is, I haven’t used it at all at the moment, played the game for over a week now, and I only passed it once. Love the game though, so fun.
I just beat Hades last night at about escape 23~25 so this guide comes right on time. Gotta say this game is great for all the obvious reasons but also because of the way this system complements so well the upgrades you can unlock as you play the game. I had just 2 death defiances + Skelly and made the mistake of unlocking God's Favor (is this what more epic boon % prob. is called?) before Privileged Status...so I can see the game being quite easier than what I managed to clear given the upgrades you can achieve (didn't have an aspect or summon unlocked either). Gotta say the one you play with (faster enemies) seems a bit intimidating specially for stix where I felt some rooms could get a bit uncontrollable with the poison thing...do you use it maxed? 😥 Without having used any of the pact yet I'm curious about what the bounties are since they're question marks, I wish you had mentioned something about what we can look for but you probably had people who had already used the system in mind. At the moment just one heat is recommended to me but idk if increasing the heat will give me better rewards or if I have to go "step by step" increasing as the game suggests... All in all a great guide, your content is great man! I'm the 35 year old who asked about your white beard front in your most recent stream in twitch 😜 Gotta say if you keep it up I can see your stream growing and getting big so keep the grind up. Hades is amazing and the way you make content and interact with chat has potential to generate a great, even bigger community. May need to add a bit more of variety maybe within the roguelike genre (Spelunky 2 is coming soon wink wink) but to me it looks like you could grow a lot. TH-cam guides like these can give you the notoriety you need for that (this is how I found you) as you noticed on your last twitch stream. So anyway, thanks! And good luck with all of this!
So basically, the bounties from beating a run are total 2 Titan's Blood, from Tartarus and Styx, which is used to upgrade your weapon aspects. 1 Ambrosia, from Elysium, used to befriend specific NPCs. They give you special keepsakes which summon various abilities when you give them their first ambrosia. Ambrosia is also used to upgrade these special keepsakes. Special Keepsakes also don't conflict with regular keepsakes. 1 Diamond, from Asphodel, which are used at the House Contractor for music, the fishing rod and more. Increasing the heat past the requirement doesn't do anything beneficial bounty wise. You can for fun, but you don't have to. If you beat the run, the heat requirement goes up one again, so you don't get better or later bounties. I heard the heat cap for each weapon goes to twenty, then just darkness. If you try to collect previous bounties, they're replaced by darkness.
Hey! Thanks for the kind words, and the question about my beard. Honestly, I feel like I don't talk about it enough on stream. 😂 I'm trying to do about a guide a week interspersed with my regular runs. The guides are fun, but a bit more work, as you might expect. As for the bounties, they are always the same: Titan's blood for Furies, Diamond for Hydra, Ambrosia for Theseus and Asterius, and Titan's blood again for Hades himself. If you die at any point, the bosses up to that point in the future will only offer darkness, so you have to do a full clear in order to get the bounties again, even if you up the heat even more. Hope that makes sense!
I'm used to extreme measures sisters and hydras, I can kill them easily. But extreme measure asterius is super hard. I just started fighting him today and his helicopter move always kills me
its so funny to me to see our opinions are almost total opposites... as someone who usually who sucks at games I find the ones you avoid all the time easier to get through :D I guess because I take my time going through the games
I started with Damage control for my first set of heats, can confirm it's a no brainer if you're still new to the game and just trying to run for prophecies or figuring out what you're doing.
18:41 I would agree to disagree. Rail is one of the best weapon to deal with Damage Control with its Attack. The worst weapon to deal with it is the slow weapon like Spear, Bow or even Sword and its terrible animations.
Hes talking about if your focusing on the rail special, because all the mortars damage is frontloaded into a single instance of damage and its very slow. The primary fire has significantly lower range so going in to pop blue hearts with it is counterintuitive to the extreme range advantage the special gives you.
Calisthenics depends on what youre using, i cleared 32 heat with the rail that on before and it wasnt too rough but yes definetly takes longer if you arent going high dander damage output, also youre right aboit damage control. Its terrible for rail
So i am one of those guys that used calishenics one heat +hard labor one heat + jury summons one heat and got destroyed a lot when my dps wan not high as i wanted it to but i finally did it with bow hera aspect,shield zagreus aspect, sword nemesis aspect and spear achilles aspect! i was so bummed when i was thinking my built is just right and then i died couple chambers later also i recently did up the jury summons once more but only made it through the end with the shield. Well i made some progress but i will try different heat conditions next time for sure!
Loving the game, only picked it up, recently played 70 hours on it so far.. and almost 20 succesful playthroughs... your vid's have been super helpful... I do not watch the spoiler ones.. I do like to explore that myself.. I do have a query though about the Lasting Consequence... the hammer boon 'Draining Cutter' for the "dragon upcut' weapon.. :D.. I always shout that when using the special.. loving that weapon... so Streetfigher... anyways.. The boon heals +2 when killing with the special... does that still work with LC at max?
I... think so? Don't know that I've tried it myself, but I now that Guan Yu's spin attack still heals if you have 100% lasting consequences. So does Hermes' dash heal boon.
Whenever I watch these videos I feel bad for using God mode because things like traps just don't affect me the same way as other people. Same thing with the extra damage since it's basically just playing the game normally
The more you beat him the more heat is required to keep earning rewards. You only need to get the heat gauge to 1 after beating him the first time. Then to 2 and then 3 for example
It's a both/and situation. You can get one blood per weapon at 0 heat without beating hades. If you want MORE blood you will need to beat Hades at that heat level and then raise it.
Honestly it's up to you to experiment and try stuff out! The only thing I'd caution is don't put a bunch of extra damage on and also reduce your healing, those are a couple of the most dangerous ones. I'd try each of the extreme measures fights. Like, do a run with EM1, then a run with EM2 etc. It's fun to learn each of those fights. Just be ready to die a bunch while you're learning 😂
convenience fee is really bad. i always try to buy the blood/diamond on the last floor. the meta game stuff is really disruptive. i'd like to get it over with asap.
@@JawlessPaul it's distuptive, because it incentivises you to make decisions that might not be ideal for the current run. you don't like the peer pressure boon. i'm sure you picked it once, just get it the fated choice done. or my earlier example. i won't buy what's best in a run until i have fully upgraded all the weapons.
Interesting, I guess I've always thought of those resources in the Styx shop for times when I felt there was either no way I'd win or no way I'd lose vs Hades. I'd then try to get enough to buy the resource. I rarely feel this way so I usually ignore the blood/diamond option.
Well, you don't really have a choice. The first 5 heat are always the same on hard mode. If I were you though, I would switch to a regular save file. You will have more longevity with it... that is, if you are addicted to the game as I am! 😂
Jawless Paul I'm gonna struggle through for a while, starting with the furies while I try to finish the prophecies then going to grind for sisyphus and resources. The only one I'm not sure how to handle at all is the time but I didn't realize speed affected spawn time so that should help, my two clears have been at 40 minutes but I think most of that is on Elysium, and I've been playing low apm except for boss fights to conserve mental/physical energy and just out of laziness cause I didn't figure out how legendary boon spawning worked til yesterday (only started a few days ago 46 hours in). Have you ever tried doing Perfect rooms while under time constraint? I'm thinking that's how I want to start with the broken spear point
I know this video is old but I'm just getting into Hades and this is super useful.
I'm glad it's been helpful!
Ditto! I just got my first escape and then it was all 'what the hell is this?!'. I feel slightly less bitter about it now lol
Same deal here
Just finally killed Hades 47 tries later so now this will be useful
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As someone who's coming up to 80 hours of Hades, these guides still peak my interest if only to hear the opinions of others.
It's cool to hear from all of you as well! There are a lot of great players with awesome insights!
This is quite interesting indeed
Gentle reminder that mountains have peaks and interests are _piqued_
;3
Also about heightened security: Hades's vases leaving green handy goo wich is considered (at least as far as I can tell) to be a trap, so with heightened security You just give Hades ultimate cheese 120 damage wild card.
Yeah, very scary! Good point!
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for this. I didn't even realize that was considered a trap and was wondering why I was having such a hard time.
@@MsRegPhalange You're welcome!
Thanks for these tips, I just beat Hades for the first time last night. It took me 39 tries it was so awesome to get through. With the heat guide it changes the game so much. The replay ability is endless, characters dialogue continues to go on. This is by far one of the best games ever!!!
It's an amazing game! Glad these helped!
Extreme Measures is notable in making the boss fights significantly more fun! Less a punishment and more a reward than the others.
Punishment if you're bad with some bosses (mainly heroes of elysium and hades)
As someone just getting into the heat mechanics this was really helpful. Thanks very much for the analysis!
You are very welcome!
How to make heightened security managable:
Stay mindful of the map's layout
Alterative option: Sure Footing boon from athena
Changes from the future: budget cuts is gone, we got 4th extreme measures, now hades has a 3rd phase. Also no choice has been renamed to approval process, which also affects item choice in wells of charon and tight deadline can now go as low as 5 minutes per region
Indeed!
This content is a knock out of the park. I would love to see more of this, not just hades.
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment! I am planning to get about 1 guide or curated video a week in addition to my regular run videos.
So that's why I never felt confident about taking tight deadline, I have been using calisthenics program for a while and never thought that that was the reason it was taking so long. Thanks for bringing that up, loved the list.
Your welcome! Someone mentioned how crippling it is in the comments a week or so ago when I was doing 32 heat runs.
Before they buffed forced overtime I actually felt that it was worse than hard labor. I usually play very methodical so I try to not go ham on everything and dodge more etc so I didn't have much trouble with the extra damage. However the extra speed is so jarring even at rank 1 (10% back then) I got hit all the time. But once you reach higher heats you are almost forced to take tight deadline and forced overtime as everything else does not only make the game harder but actually makes it less fun, like no choice and underworld customs.
Even though it is the most effective I still don't like tight deadline and forced overtime as they transform your playstyle in a certain way. You are pretty much forced to go apeshit on everything and I'm just not a fan of that type of reckless playstyle. Hell I've seen most people just facetank Hades in the end because killing him faster negates more damage than trying to dodge.
I hear you! It can take the finesse out of it! Finesse was never really my strong suit... 😂
@@JawlessPaul so much for heightened security aswell, huh 😃
Heightened is a joke, just like the 1st tier of tight deadline, as only slow runs would exceed the 9 minute per region limit
Im shocked you dont have more subs and views. So easy to listen to.
Very kind of you to say, sir!
That's right, of course you remember how much damage purple arrows do hahahaha
Though it makes Athena's Sure Footing a lot more appealing
Sure footing also works for hades jars
Sure footing got way better when they released Styx and the Hades fight
I like to take the mechanics based ones first as well, like extreme measures, middle management, and forced overtime, just because they're ones I feel like you're eventually going to need to get used to, so you may as well practice it earlier before you have to really start making things tough. There's a lot of weapon aspect dependent nuances to heat choice later on, but yeah, early on those are good ones to get used to. Edit: Also, I used to always take heightened security, but... I'm pretty sure the green flasks on the Hades fight are affected, and they HUUUUURRRRRTTTT
No doubt! I am pretty sure now that heightened security is a... ahem... trap 🤓
such a high quality content creator, no clickbait, and thoroughly explains stuff with relevant clips
Thanks Steven! I appreciate the kind words!
Excellent guide. I'm sitting at about 7 heat on my runs lately and getting used to Forced Overtime is really challenging me - it feels like the biggest turn of the difficulty dial. I think Damage Control might be the best alternative since it also doesn't have the same high level of punishment that Hard Labor does, but I think I'd get used to that more easily. That said, it is very loadout dependent
Good point. I think some weapons are definitely better for certain heat conditions
at last i killed Hades, now working my way with heat, great guide. Loved extreme measure, only tried for the furys, such cool change for the game. I would love something like this in enter the gungeon
The one that increases trap and magma damage is absolutely brutal when you get to the second phase of the Hades fight. Getting caught by the green arms is basically an immediate death sentence.
It's crazy, I almost never take it. Even at 40 heat
And finally worth mentioning, that on Hell mode you have exclusive unremovable pact of having no I-frames aside from dash, Broken Spearpoint and Athena's boons.
Very true! I will do a vid on the difference between god mode normal mode and hell mode some day!
Just got this game on the Switch a couple weeks ago. Finally beat my first run a couple days ago, and was really confused on how bounties worked. Thanks for the vid!
You are very welcome!
Just started playing after the reveal of Hades 2! You’ve been very helpful, I appreciated you sir!
Man, I was so disappointed: I just beat hades for the first time yesterday and I thought that the story continues like: demeter has frozen the world and now you can literally turn on the heat in hell to thaw the glaciers outside. That would have been sooo cool! Anyway, thanks for the video! Really helpful stuff!
That would have been cool!
@@JawlessPaul well, at least that's how the story in my headcanon goes. In my runs so far the build up and foreshadowing was just to perfect : D
I think we need an updated version of this for 1.0 :)
It's on the "to-do" list! :)
I tried Calisthenics Program once thinking, "Oh, it's probably not a big deal"-I swear, I will never do it again. Even if you rank it up just once it takes longer to finish even one chamber, especially in Elysium :( I managed to escape that run but it was such a drag. Never Again 😭
Yeah, it's pretty rough...
I think the worst part is how it makes small ennemy over damage threshold you're used to. Like, those skulls in tartarus, not killing them in 1hit feels so bad and make them soooo much harder to deal with.
No Choice is soul crushing because it shows you what you are missing out on.
Indeed!
I got the game recently and your vids have been super helpful thank you! Subbed
Thank you so much!
Old video but helpful as hell. Hope you will be pumping Hades 2 content in the future.
That's the plan! I'm glad these videos are helpful!
thanks jawless paul for being such a informative and entertaining source of hades wisdom!
I'm glad you enjoy the videos!
The problem with the Heat system is that it's still in development and get tinkered around the most out of all the game features I would say.
Who knows? Maybe next patch will have a 4th lv of Extreme Measure and completely redo this heat system... again.
I imagine it will all get revamped again. Could still be improved!
This aged incredibly well
Years later just getting into it. WOW what an amazing game.
I know! Insanely fun game! 😊
This helps a lot to understand what I’m taking on as I’m trying to max out my weapons and keep dying at 8 heat
I'm glad this was helpful! Cheers!
Super late comment but just wanted to say thank you for putting these guides together; for the first time since picking up the game I’m consistently making it to Hades (and escaping sometimes) but I’ve been overthinking how to increase the difficulty in ways that don’t make the game not fun to play anymore. I think I’m gonna start with Extreme Measures for the first 2 bosses and will take it from there.
Good luck! Let me know how it goes!
I agree with basically everything, and I think that the reason hard labor and lasting consequences are so crushing is because it punishes you for bad RNG. A bad build happens sometimes and I fell those 2 pacts capitalize on that.
This is my personal opinion but I think the extreme measures pact is more fun, I just get bored of the base bosses now.
Indeed! I don't like any pact that makes my runs feel less in my control.
For me, Budget Cuts is THE worst option, because even a single point cuts you off from so many benefits and makes your runs just feel weaker overall. Also, if you want to take it, you have to run back to your mirror first and fiddle with it and consider a whole other slew of options of how to make your run harder - almost like another pact of punishment. I find this to be neither well designed nor balanced.
Yes, I dislike it very much. I only use it when I am going super high heat
Whilst you may dislike it, some players might not be interested in the shop. This option isn't meant for ALL players, it's meant for SOME players.
It is a dramatically different play-style to the norm, but some players might like that.
I personally don't run it, but I have been tempted! It's still too early game for me to consider running an "anti-gold" build.
Basically I'm just trying to say is the option IS well designed, it's just for a more specific audience that helps broadens Hades appeal :-)
@@blexorcist3792 he said " for me" so everything you said is redundant. unless he edited that in.
@@hamyman35 I'm refuting the claim that the perk is "not to be well designed nor balanced", not their personal opinion! Anyone and everyone is entitled to that :-)
I just picked this up for ps5, yes I know this is an old video but man super helpful. Thank yoh
Tbh from a game design perspective I really hate Lasting Consequences maxing out at 100% because it ends up turning off a large part of the game and making a lot of the boons and a few keepsakes do effectively nothing if not actually nothing. it gets even worse with Approval Process imo, nothing is lamer than going for, say, a Demeter boon, and then being forced to take 0% heal with 0% bonus healing because the other options are unavailable.
There are some. Effects that aren't reduced by lasting consequences. For instance stubborn defiance becomes a once per room heal, guan you spin attack still heals, Hermes dash heal still works. It requires a different playstyle for sure!
Great videos Jawless, enjoying listening to them!
I'm so glad!
playing on ps5 for thge first time what a amazing game excellent video man very helpful
Extreme Measures now causes good ol' Lernie to break off of the neck that keeps it in the center of the arena, upon reaching 1/3rd health, when it summons it's second wave of heads. Makes it a good bit more difficult, but still manageable.
I find the fact that Lasting Consequences only gives 1 heat per rank, including the final one, is what makes it way to punishing for the cost. Maybe making it to 30% a rank and 3 total ranks, with an increase in the heat for the last rank would be better.
I agree 0 healing is super punishing
Ive been starting out by doing clears with tight deadline because I find it pretty easy to make it through within the 9min time limit. Kind of brutal that it goes down to mins on the second level though haha, so far my fastest clear was 28mins8seconds which would’ve been 8 seconds too slow.
Thanks for another very useful video
Edit: oh I just got to the part where you talk about tight deadline - that’s interesting, I assumed you just insta lost if you hit the time limit.
Hades is one of the best games i ever played
It's super good!
Just started playing since it hit PS4, love these guides man, thank you!
You are welcome Myers!
Thanks for the guide! So far, my highest heat is 10, and by fastest run is 16 min
YES!!! Love your guides and rankings
Happy to oblige!
Ah, yes.. The heightened security people.. "Just don't get hit, bro.. It's a free point..."
Lol they are trolling for sure 😁
Great video, would love to see an updated one since there have been a few changes
I'd check out the one I recorded with Haelian! It came to out yesterday
@@JawlessPaul Thanks dude, watching it now. Don't think I'll ever beat 20+ heat though!
This video is a great idea!
Thanks mate!
When I first turned on Forced Overtime (20%, not max) while playing a run with each of the pact of punishment options individually activated to see how it would go i actually thought my game was glitched because I noticed so little difference and checked it multiple times during the run to make sure. I’m not bragging or anything, I suck at the game. It just has that little effect overall.
Thank you for this!
You are very welcome!
Also worth mentioning, that, apparently, You can't rerun with the weapon on X amount of heat if You cleared the run already, making it an eventuality that You will be softlocked in a save file once You clear all weapons all the way up to 47 heat.
Nota bene, this applies to hell mode save, normal save allows you to run itself after beating.
It's a bit weird that you could potentially ruin your item collecting for a save by somehow completing on a high heat very early on. I feel like they need to implement a better system, like gaining multiple rewards for a big jump up in heat.
Yeah I was wondering how that worked. Makes it so that you really don't want to skip any heat when you want all the upgrades. You could technically ruin your save file completely if you were to run all weapons on full heat which is kinda stupid. Not that that would happen (hopefully) but it's something to consider.
@@Gerry9000000 but even then it does not solve more fundamental problem of the mode. If You can't rerun on a certain amount of heat, it means that eventually You'll softlock after reaching 30-ish heat, or however far You can go, and that's it, You won't be able to play on the save file anymore, because You can't break through on higher heat and are not allowed to try lower, so You just tryhard this amount You stuck on for eternity. And when You beat 47 heat and everything prior, You just quit. Seems not so rewarding of a mod.
@@ezergilechimekazikura6855 that's definitely a more severe problem. Both need addressing separately
Oh wow, how have this not been brought up to the devs? This is something they definitely want to change...Gonna have to check the dev discussions forums on steam to see if this has been brought up to say something if not.
Heat. LoL how appropriate. Gotta love Supergames. I do. However, first I need to get to Hades. At some point. 36 attempts and counting. Then Heat. Because I can’t seem to put this game down lol. So thank you for the video! Stay safe.
4 years but still so relevant
Haha, thanks! I'm glad it's still helpful!
wow I'm a newbie player, I've never even seen "budget cuts" before, and that 2 heat tight deadline is amazing, wish they never cut that down lol
Haha, those were the days! 🤣
Forced overtime is weird for me. At my current skill level and play style, I notice that Hyper Sprint (faster after dodging) increases my win rate dramatically. It makes the game much easier for me and the Hades fight almost trivial.
Forced overtime is the opposite effect. It makes me slower in relation to the enemies (mainly thinking hades here). I’ve never lost to hades so quickly as when I put on forced overtime.
Maybe FO plus hyper sprint would even out but FO without HS means I can’t seem to avoid anything hades does. Again given my play style and skill level HS is one the my most highly sought after boons. I’d rather run calisthenics and use powerful builds than effectively running anti hyper sprint.
I’m sure as I get better this will change but you don’t get to practice hades that much since he’s at the end of the run.
Yeah. FO isn't something I use very often anymore. Just feels too punishing 😜
I know this is 4 years old, but I think its worth mentioning that Cursed Slash and Guan Yu both do heal with 100% Lasting Consequences.
Also, for me, Calisthenics Program and Jury Summons are basically the same pact, it just depends on what build I have.
If I'm going for a single target build, I take Calisthenics Program. If I'm going for an AOE build, I take Jury Summons.
It just makes sense.
True! Also, the hermes boon that heals after you dash works even with lasting consequences.
@@JawlessPaul that's right! I almost never take it because I'm such a sucker for Rushed Delivery
I usually like to run a level of Jury Summons quite early. Until world 3 I don't feel that the normal room enemies are that punishing, and you get a bit of extra coin from the extra kills to. So not just a pure downside. But then I really dislike Tight Deadline so might be part of it. Those doesn't really mix.
Yeah, tight deadline is MUCH easier to manage now though. Actually Jury Summons has become one that I max out when I try for 32 or 40
I just beat the game for the 3rd time...after the first I was running the calisthenics program for my heat...now I know why those other wins took so long
Yeah, that can be rough! Good job with the W!
Really enjoy the list, but find it super interesting how different your choices are than mine have been so far. I've been running heightened security since unlocking PoP and feel it's something you can get used to, and made me better about my positioning. I've also been running a point or two in hard labor because the normal enemies die so quickly, I don't notice much of a change. Will have to start using forced overtime and tight deadline, I like the quick runs anyways.
Haha! That's great! Heightened security scares me. With em4 the pots do 150 damage 🙃
@@JawlessPaul yeah I’ll give you that the hades pots hurt
I kinda feel like underworld customs is a 2 heat freebie. I avoided it for a long time and then I realized that you actually want to sell boons way more often than I was doing. You don't really use all of them anyway most of the time, and you still get the obols with underworld customs. Also, it makes it alot easier to get palms and nectars on the boons you want them on. I kinda see this as free heat for doing what I should be doing anyway.
That's a good point! As I've done higher heat runs sometimes it can be a really good thing to keep the build lean. However I've been screwed out of a duo boon I was going for as well, which sucks!
@@JawlessPaul true, though I've also gotten the wrong duo by having to much stuff. Its all about selling off the right boons so you can control what the game gives you.
i always use calesthenics that's why i never clear in less than 25 minutes lmao
Yeah, calisthenics is rough for bosses especially
Great content bro xbox just got hades.. excellent game
I'm not entirely sure that forced overtime is one that you can "get used" to. There's a limit to reflexes after all, and it becomes a massive problem against bosses like Asterius and Hades when you have to get up close with a melee weapon.
Its pretty tough but you would be surprised. Use that for a few runs and then go back. You will feel like enemies are crawling!
After 21 runs I finally defeated Hades, now this shows up
I'm so glad I followed your advice with Extreme Measures and Forced Overtime. That helped get me to the final bounties and that 32 heat statue. I then took them all off for fun and the game is sooooooo much slower! Tisiphone, Asterius and the flamewheels couldn't touch me.
Yes! It really trains you to move around quickly and anticipate where enemies will attack :)
I’m so bad at this game and have only beat hades like 5 times. I appreciate any help lol
Good luck! You'll get it!
the first level of jury summons is fine but the second is already too much if you want to get two levels of tight deadline. heightened security is so awful in Styx considering the layout of certain rooms and the fact that hades urns will deal 150 damage, it should give at least 2 heat. hard labor is manageable with some boons but it makes the game a lot harder especially beacause let's face it most people will get hit by bosses at least a few times
Styx sounds scary with some of these yes...last night I was sitting pretty by Stix and made the mistake of opening an internal trove on a really ill layout-d room which spanned the whole room with rats which I couldn't kill fast enough and covered it with poison...may have ruined my run...lol
Yeah, Tartarus and Asphodel are OK but Elysium and Styx get pretty crazy
Great Guide, thanks a lot!
Just adding the pact of punishment is already difficult as it is, I haven’t used it at all at the moment, played the game for over a week now, and I only passed it once. Love the game though, so fun.
Totally! It takes a while to build up that heat tolerance 😂
1 tight deadlines is by far the easiest. It usually doesn't take more time than this anyway even when not trying to be quick
I've heard a lot of people struggling to finish quickly, but yeah, once you get a sense for the mechanics of things tight deadline is an easy point
I just beat Hades last night at about escape 23~25 so this guide comes right on time. Gotta say this game is great for all the obvious reasons but also because of the way this system complements so well the upgrades you can unlock as you play the game.
I had just 2 death defiances + Skelly and made the mistake of unlocking God's Favor (is this what more epic boon % prob. is called?) before Privileged Status...so I can see the game being quite easier than what I managed to clear given the upgrades you can achieve (didn't have an aspect or summon unlocked either).
Gotta say the one you play with (faster enemies) seems a bit intimidating specially for stix where I felt some rooms could get a bit uncontrollable with the poison thing...do you use it maxed? 😥
Without having used any of the pact yet I'm curious about what the bounties are since they're question marks, I wish you had mentioned something about what we can look for but you probably had people who had already used the system in mind. At the moment just one heat is recommended to me but idk if increasing the heat will give me better rewards or if I have to go "step by step" increasing as the game suggests...
All in all a great guide, your content is great man! I'm the 35 year old who asked about your white beard front in your most recent stream in twitch 😜 Gotta say if you keep it up I can see your stream growing and getting big so keep the grind up. Hades is amazing and the way you make content and interact with chat has potential to generate a great, even bigger community. May need to add a bit more of variety maybe within the roguelike genre (Spelunky 2 is coming soon wink wink) but to me it looks like you could grow a lot. TH-cam guides like these can give you the notoriety you need for that (this is how I found you) as you noticed on your last twitch stream.
So anyway, thanks! And good luck with all of this!
So basically, the bounties from beating a run are total 2 Titan's Blood, from Tartarus and Styx, which is used to upgrade your weapon aspects. 1 Ambrosia, from Elysium, used to befriend specific NPCs. They give you special keepsakes which summon various abilities when you give them their first ambrosia. Ambrosia is also used to upgrade these special keepsakes. Special Keepsakes also don't conflict with regular keepsakes. 1 Diamond, from Asphodel, which are used at the House Contractor for music, the fishing rod and more. Increasing the heat past the requirement doesn't do anything beneficial bounty wise. You can for fun, but you don't have to. If you beat the run, the heat requirement goes up one again, so you don't get better or later bounties. I heard the heat cap for each weapon goes to twenty, then just darkness. If you try to collect previous bounties, they're replaced by darkness.
Hey! Thanks for the kind words, and the question about my beard. Honestly, I feel like I don't talk about it enough on stream. 😂 I'm trying to do about a guide a week interspersed with my regular runs. The guides are fun, but a bit more work, as you might expect.
As for the bounties, they are always the same: Titan's blood for Furies, Diamond for Hydra, Ambrosia for Theseus and Asterius, and Titan's blood again for Hades himself. If you die at any point, the bosses up to that point in the future will only offer darkness, so you have to do a full clear in order to get the bounties again, even if you up the heat even more. Hope that makes sense!
Good explanation!
I'm used to extreme measures sisters and hydras, I can kill them easily. But extreme measure asterius is super hard. I just started fighting him today and his helicopter move always kills me
Also if you were to rank the pact of punishment from first to last pick, what heat number would you recommend for extreme measures Elysium?
I use hightened security because if you walk on lava and stumble into traps then wtf are you doing, lol ;)
LOL whatever floats yer boat!
its so funny to me to see our opinions are almost total opposites... as someone who usually who sucks at games I find the ones you avoid all the time easier to get through :D I guess because I take my time going through the games
Thanks for the video!
You are welcome!
super useful, thanks!
You are welcome!
I started with Damage control for my first set of heats, can confirm it's a no brainer if you're still new to the game and just trying to run for prophecies or figuring out what you're doing.
Nice strategy!
I would say get the prophecy of completing a run with each punishment and you'll understand what works and what doesn't.
That could work!
18:41 I would agree to disagree. Rail is one of the best weapon to deal with Damage Control with its Attack.
The worst weapon to deal with it is the slow weapon like Spear, Bow or even Sword and its terrible animations.
Hes talking about if your focusing on the rail special, because all the mortars damage is frontloaded into a single instance of damage and its very slow. The primary fire has significantly lower range so going in to pop blue hearts with it is counterintuitive to the extreme range advantage the special gives you.
Good point, I meant the special when I was talking about the burst from special.
Yep!
Is there an updated version of this? I seriously need some tips on what to choose for 32 heat lol
Check out the video where Haelian talks me through 40 heat. A lot of great tidbits in there 😊
I take middle management all the time. Super easy.
Nice!
Calisthenics depends on what youre using, i cleared 32 heat with the rail that on before and it wasnt too rough but yes definetly takes longer if you arent going high dander damage output, also youre right aboit damage control. Its terrible for rail
Yeah the fact that it affects bosses is what kills it for me
Exactly. The enemies no problem. The bosses when they have thousands of hp suck
So i am one of those guys that used calishenics one heat +hard labor one heat + jury summons one heat and got destroyed a lot when my dps wan not high as i wanted it to but i finally did it with bow hera aspect,shield zagreus aspect, sword nemesis aspect and spear achilles aspect! i was so bummed when i was thinking my built is just right and then i died couple chambers later also i recently did up the jury summons once more but only made it through the end with the shield. Well i made some progress but i will try different heat conditions next time for sure!
It's good to keep experimenting! Congrats on all the wins!
@@JawlessPaul This time I LL try your suggestions to ease the difficulty a bit 😂! Also thanks for the congrats🙌
Loving the game, only picked it up, recently played 70 hours on it so far.. and almost 20 succesful playthroughs... your vid's have been super helpful... I do not watch the spoiler ones.. I do like to explore that myself..
I do have a query though about the Lasting Consequence... the hammer boon 'Draining Cutter' for the "dragon upcut' weapon.. :D.. I always shout that when using the special.. loving that weapon... so Streetfigher... anyways..
The boon heals +2 when killing with the special... does that still work with LC at max?
I... think so? Don't know that I've tried it myself, but I now that Guan Yu's spin attack still heals if you have 100% lasting consequences. So does Hermes' dash heal boon.
See I don’t do convenience fee though because every run I try to save up for whatever item is in the Styx Shop
For sure! If you're farming for resources it's better to leave that one off
Whenever I watch these videos I feel bad for using God mode because things like traps just don't affect me the same way as other people. Same thing with the extra damage since it's basically just playing the game normally
Nah, no worries. Use it to learn the game and try turning it off after a bit, see how it feels!
Not a Sammich is a gyro I think
Lol a year later I’m new to actually playing the game but I hate Theseus with the shield
Yeah, the shield can be tough to deal with for sure! You have a few moments to attack him and then he pulls that shield back up again!
Max tight deadline jury duty and calisthenics go!
yikes!
Damn i killed hades kinda early i guess now i am in trouble with this stuff...
How do you unlock more heat? Beating Hades again? I only killed him once so I can only get 1 heat.
I'm not sure how you only have 1 heat?!? Once the pact of punishment opens up you can customize it before your run..
The more you beat him the more heat is required to keep earning rewards. You only need to get the heat gauge to 1 after beating him the first time. Then to 2 and then 3 for example
Before they added EM4.. He's a tough fight
Yeah, this video is a bit older :)
Had to google that this feature is only available after u beat the game
Indeed!
Playing on the highest diffculty will make it avaliable from the start of the game.
This was super confusing when in another video you said this system was useful for collecting titan blood before beating Hades...
It's a both/and situation. You can get one blood per weapon at 0 heat without beating hades. If you want MORE blood you will need to beat Hades at that heat level and then raise it.
So should I do a hell playthrough? I’m pretty far on regular difficulty and was wondering if hell was the way to go now.
Hell doesn't really add anything. You can add all the pact of punishment you need to a regular save file
Very true. I suppose it would only be for bragging rights. Thanks for the guides!
Just think from when you did this now there a 64 heat i think was is now done ✅
True! We live in crazy times!
I just got Heat runs... should I stray off with 1heat then 2 heat then 3 heat ...and so on? I think I started off 5 heat but Hades kicked my ass
Honestly it's up to you to experiment and try stuff out! The only thing I'd caution is don't put a bunch of extra damage on and also reduce your healing, those are a couple of the most dangerous ones. I'd try each of the extreme measures fights. Like, do a run with EM1, then a run with EM2 etc. It's fun to learn each of those fights. Just be ready to die a bunch while you're learning 😂
how in gods name do people play on 30 heat
Pshhh, you should see the people who do 50 plus!
can you please do weapons guides where you cover there builds
Sounds challenging but also fun! I'll see what I can do!
@@JawlessPaul Yessss I love your videos by far my favorite you tuber for this game
convenience fee is really bad. i always try to buy the blood/diamond on the last floor. the meta game stuff is really disruptive. i'd like to get it over with asap.
Interesting! Tell me more about how you feel it is disruptive.
@@JawlessPaul it's distuptive, because it incentivises you to make decisions that might not be ideal for the current run. you don't like the peer pressure boon. i'm sure you picked it once, just get it the fated choice done.
or my earlier example. i won't buy what's best in a run until i have fully upgraded all the weapons.
Interesting, I guess I've always thought of those resources in the Styx shop for times when I felt there was either no way I'd win or no way I'd lose vs Hades. I'd then try to get enough to buy the resource. I rarely feel this way so I usually ignore the blood/diamond option.
So I started a game on Hard Mode. As in it's my only file, should I still add the same heat as this video?
Well, you don't really have a choice. The first 5 heat are always the same on hard mode. If I were you though, I would switch to a regular save file. You will have more longevity with it... that is, if you are addicted to the game as I am! 😂
Jawless Paul I'm gonna struggle through for a while, starting with the furies while I try to finish the prophecies then going to grind for sisyphus and resources. The only one I'm not sure how to handle at all is the time but I didn't realize speed affected spawn time so that should help, my two clears have been at 40 minutes but I think most of that is on Elysium, and I've been playing low apm except for boss fights to conserve mental/physical energy and just out of laziness cause I didn't figure out how legendary boon spawning worked til yesterday (only started a few days ago 46 hours in). Have you ever tried doing Perfect rooms while under time constraint? I'm thinking that's how I want to start with the broken spear point