Help pls guys what does the 3 sculptures make at 1:17 at the left side how are they Called i dont unlocked it yet and would want to watch a video to how get them and what they make
I started with the trap damage and kept getting cucked on hades by the green jars as my first heat punishment yikes. Took me a while to figure out why it was one shotting me lmao
The devs knew how important the Supportive Shade was, the timer stops right after you defeat a boss---and doesn't restart until the next room with enemies in it. It took me a while to realize I didn't have to pause the game to think about keepsake swapping/wells/checking for money pots
After watching you play, I gave a Chiron build a shot for my first attempt at 16 heat (previous high was 9), and I absolutely obliterated the run. Full death defiance at the end. Gonna give 32 heat a shot tonight. Thanks for the tips!
I think my most ran keepsake by far is Lambent Plume. +1.2% dodge and movement speed for every fast room clear is like a blessing by the time I reach the final boss, as I usually have over 25% dodge chance. This is made even more useful when combined with Greater Evasion, and even more so with Gloves. Of course one could say I just love RNG dictating whether I get hit or not.
It would be cool but to use it properly you have to equip it from start to the end so you can't manipulate your build with gods keepsake and this is very bad.
I tried that strategy for a while but I made the mistake of going all in on evasion, not realising that it's diminishing returns, the more evasion-type boons you have. I got as far as 30% from the plume, 25 from Hermes and 15 from the gloves but Hades still hit me in all the crucial moments. If we're going for long-term boni, Thanatos' keepsake is a much safer bet, I think. Even 20% of bonus damage is pretty rad and still very doable with a ranged build.
Yeah, I've been keeping Tight Deadline lv2 and EM3 pretty much on all the time ever since I've seen how simple they were. Benefits Package lv1 and Middle Management as well
I constantly kept tight deadline 2 and extrme measures 3 on when I was trying to learn the game. Was super helpful and now I can do 32 semi-consistently with my better aspects, was definitely the move.
You can add middle management to that and you're good all the way up to 10/11. Hard labour 1 rank and 1 benefits package up to about 14/15. From 16 onwards I think it starts getting pretty dang hard without some good luck.
I have just been recently doing Pact of Punishment, and I, at least so far, only go up to EM2. I feel like the Furies and the Bone Hydra don't get that much stronger, but Theseus on a chariot is harder to handle for me
I'm still trying out lower Heat levels, but I feel like EM1 is a good choice for 1 Heat. It only affects one fight, and it's not that much harder than normal. Damage Control is also pretty trivial for builds with fast attacks. For 2 Heat, I found Benefits Package easier than Middle Management. Even if BP affects many more encounters, I don't feel like they're much more difficult, while MM can easily cost you a Death Defiance. (Although you can argue it's best to learn these fight faster.) For 3 Heat, I didn't find Forced Overtime 1 that tough, but I imagine combining that with Jury Summons and Hard Labor can be real scary.
best heat guide i’ve seen. haven’t been focusing on higher heat since i’m mostly trying to finish minor prophecies first but only prophecy left is Chaos Defiance (sigh, rng) so i’m ready to start pushing. solid explanations and alts make this guide very valuable for intermediate ppl like myself. ty
Great guide! I will say, once you get used to the extreme measures, they are not much harder than their non-extreme counterparts, aside from Hades, of course. I maxed out all the bounties of the weapons before I did my 32 heat run and, no joke, did it on the first try with aspect of Chiron Dionysus special with curse of nausea. I had a lot of practice in the game and the Chiron bow in specific, over 200 hours in the game. Practice is really key. A tip to everyone, that 5 minute timer is really difficult, had like 10 seconds left at the end with 7 minute timer in the game, wouldn't recommend using it, 7 minutes is just about the right time for me.
I know this video is 11 months old, but thank you for making this. Started playing this game over the end of summer and this guide helped me get my first clear on 32 heat with my favourite weapon. So thanks for the great content!
I find that Forced Overtime is by far the most difficult of the optional pacts. My first attempts at 32 heat I had it on, and it's so much worse than any of the others, particularly in Elysium. Some chambers with Benefits Package+Jury Summons become much more difficult with that extra speed, and the minotaur is a lot harder if you don't have 3+ dashes. Take Hard Labor over it any day. Sure if you get hit with maxed Hard it hurts more, but you will get hit way more often when enemies are faster.
Thanks for the guide. I just started grinding 32 heat. I'm also going to try to scam the final fight by timing this run with one time in the story that you get to skip the fight.
This guide helped a lot for selecting the best pacts! I did 32 heat on my second try because of this. Got really lucky with a doom build Chiron aspect bow run!
I know this was posted 3y ago but I only recently got into Hades (been playing 115 hrs now) and I really wanna beat 32 heat!! So thank you for this. So far I've beaten Hades w extreme measures and 16 heat with Zeus Shield. I love this game! So so so fun!
I've gotten 32 on Demeter Fists, Nemesis Sword, Arthur and Zagreus Spear (Painful run, would not recommend). A pretty good setup for melee if you can play fast is Hermes trinket and Ruthless Reflex on max tight deadline. Don't take EM 4, Calisthenics or Jury Summons. Damage Control is whack too. You might get cheesed by Styx on the time limit but it's worth the risk to be a nonstop offensive beast with (up to) 100% dodge chance, provided you get the rare or epic Hermes dodge boon and can dash with precision. Seeing a lot of ranged weapon comments so figured I'd drop some melee tips
Just cleared 32H on my first ever try after being scared of it for weeks (hadn't tried anything above 16 before that, and mostly stuck below 10), and I couldn't have done it without this guide! Thank you so much! (Hestia + Heartbreak Strike w/ Athena Dash and Call, got super lucky with Ricochet AND Piercing Fire)
I started doing the pact runs recently and this guide is very helpful! I'm still in the first heat levels, but this is going to help me a lot in avoiding pacts that are going to make the game too hard.
Just beat 32 heat for the first time today! I used chaos shield with Dio special, Ares attack, and curse of nausea. This guide really helped and I wanted to pop in and say thanks :)
I've been trying to clear 32 Heat with every aspect and this echoes my thoughts pretty closely. I have found the most success with max Tight Deadline, EM3, and no Jury Summons, Calisthenics, Approval or Routine Inspection- very close to what you show at 14:14 in the video. I do use Heightened Security as I'm pretty good at avoiding traps, and I'll switch between 2 Damage Control or an extra point in Hard Labor and Lasting Consequences based on what weapon I'm using. I find aspects where you can use that 2 DC a lot easier.
I've been fooling around until beating Hades V2 with every weapon. Now it's time to get serious. Already beat 16 heat, now on to 32. Very helpful guide, ty!
Got the game a weak ago and finished my 1st 16h run yesterday. Now working to get the last prize, thanks for your input as in a lot of videos, for inspiration of builds and helping me understand what i need to go for.
Why avoid EM until later on? I might have missed the part where you talked about it, but EM isn't nearly as bad compared to getting stonewalled by, say, the soldiers in Elysium. I genuinely think that they can be more burdensome and hard to deal with than EM3 Theseus/Asterius. I might just suck, but it's what I think nonetheless.
Em4 with hard labor is very hard even ignoring all the other pacts. and forced overtime makes that fight much harder in general, especially phase 1. those pacts are somewhat unavoidable at 32 heat. em4 is also the only em boss fight that is also affected by middle management. with regards to em3, asterius just wastes a lot of time sometimes by spamming the spin move. other times he will spam his charge which is MUCH faster and has better tracking even without forced overtime to worry about.
Agreed. I prefer starting with EM4 and then building off of that. Sure, it makes the bosses harder but you might as well learn the enhanced fights early on if you're going to do them eventually. And once you can handle those, you're basically starting at a baseline Heat 10 before enabling any other pacts.
Most high heat players avoid EM4 unless they are at a high enough heat for it to be no longer optional (50+). It is not bad by itself, but with the other pacts in mind (TD2, MM, FO2) it can be a drag.
@Lansones I always use EM4, but I would leave it at 3 for most instances because it is a massive difficulty increase. Unless you are doing really high heat it’s almost always a bad take. But it’s fun and you get the banger music at the end soooo
Wonderful video, thanks for this. I literally started trying for the 32 heat yesterday so this is perfect timing. I am an unfortunately extremely slow player (I have 40 clears and now average 25-30 minutes a clear for
I'm with you! I recognize that the smart thing for me to do is to get faster, but I just don't have as much fun with the game when I'm playing up against that deadline.
Once you learn the new boss fights EM4 is just free 10 heat on each weapon. You don't have to do anything but deal with the new boss fights. Lernie is actually easier because his fight is always the same with EM on while base lernie has a bunch of variants that makes learning/planing the fight harder. Thesues is easier because he can't block in his chariot, his attacks don't target zag, and he enters phase 2 at lower health. Asterius is easier because instead of chasing zag he just spins around like an idiot which leaves him open to get shot with a long range attack.
I somehow just won my 1st try at 32 heat with Rama bow (9 health remaining!), highest I'd played before was 16, mostly EM! I accidentally had stubborn defiance still on from a previous build, and it ended up being the only reason I could hang, I was dieing so much. Thank you so much for your heat tips!
Thanks for the tip. I pretty much stopped upping the heat after getting the achievement for Skelly's second statue, but I might start it again now. Maybe on stream, who knows.
Man I’ve put hundreds of hours into Hades and I still struggle with it often. However, I read a tip that has helped force me to become better at the game. It’s a bit frustrating at times, but has proved incredibly effective. Instead of going for the easy pact of punishment options, I go for basically the hardest IMO (excluding the one that takes away from the mirror of night perks). In other words, I always leave forced labor maxed out, then go EM max, then go Hard labor maxed. The principle is to make yourself adjust to the less forgiving mechanics before tacking on the easier to deal with ones. This is sort of a long shot/high risk+high reward mentality, but it’s definitely kept things very interesting for me. It does make the game much more frustrating but I’d rather get better at the game with these on now, then will be able to just pile on the less challenging ones like middle management, underworld customs, damage control, convenience fee, jury summons, etc
I’m way late but I just first tried 32 heat (hundreds of hours I’ve just been bounty grinding before), using the aspect of Rama bow. This is the exact heat setup I used; way different from his Max jury summons Extreme measures 3 Max calisthenics program 2 benefits package (caused me a TON of trouble in one Elysium archer room but not that bad otherwise) Middle management Underworld customs 1 forced overtime Heightened security 2 routine inspection 2 damage control 1 approval process The entire point was to play as slow as I can, kite around. Wound up with festive fog and ares cast for quick ranged damage, and ultimately took HP whenever I could with persephone’s keepsake to keep boons competitive (took dionysius to tartarus for the cast). Was a very slow, safe process but I cleared Hades with a death defiance remaining, also got very lucky with an early strong drink. If you’re ok with a 45 minute run and feel confident dodging around while waiting for windows feel free to use that!
Just beat 32 yesterday with chiron and after 20ish attempt and after that run with fist for the first time .... But used tottaly hardcore 32 heat set up with purge and -2 boon choice . This game is so much fun with a wide range of difficulty.
personally i find i take a lot of damage in individual rooms than in boss fights, so i usually go for middle management & extreme measures. (but yeah mega gorgonxskullcrusher is still the worst) Damage Control is great if using high attack rate like fists/rail but probably don't use it with things like hestia or hera bow ayye! this video looks real good btw, the cuts of zag walking through the rooms to show where to find the mirror and punishment pacts and wells are very well placed :D
I did my first 8 heat run with just tight deadline 2 and extreme measures 2, as neither really make the run harder. Then i added benefits package to make it the full 8. I got it first try with no struggle what so ever. From my experience tight deadline 2 and extreme measures 2 are just free +6 heat as long as you remember to pause when not actively playing. For my first 16 heat run I did it straight after my first 8 heat run, also with no real difficulties, I just had to beat the extreme measures 4 for the achievement and decided to add forced overtime on top of it to make it the 16 required for the skelly statue. Finished it in just under 15 minutes so with no time pressure, also had all 3 death defiances at the end, haven't tried extreme measures 4 since, but seems very free considering the substantial amount of heat it gives.
My policy thus far has been to let the game mechanics guide my run planning as much as possible: I always choose the weapon with Dark(er) Thirst, and I always go for options that complete prophecies as a priority. Most importantly, I only increase Heat once I clear out all the Bounties. I also buy the artifact at the Temple of Styx every single run, which is quite easy if you avoid Charon and take Golden Touch. I even avoid Dark Foresight. I’ve found that handicapping myself in favor of long-term progression makes it much easier to overcome obstacles, as I can make things easier if I fail a run.
Very comprehensive guide; thanks for putting it together! I'm still trying to work up the gumption to tackle EM3, though. I also feel even better now about my decision to prioritize maxing out Hestia and Chiron; love those weapons. Chaos Shield is next!
EM3 is when shit starts to get real. I recommend seeking out Asterius as the mini-boss before this, just to get used to his new moves and to take off a chunk of his health as usual. There's even special dialogue for when he and his butt-buddy get tricked out.
@@AndrewBlechinger I'm still working my way to 16 heat (did 10 max) and honestly, after how much trouble I had with the base boss fight, I expected more from EM3. I had no idea what it was going to be when I did it, but I beat it first try anyway. You can pretty much ignore Theseus for the first half of the fight and just fight Asterius until he dies, and then it becomes super easy. I would even go as far to say that EM2 Hydra is harder to deal with than Elysium EM3. EM4 very much fucked me over though. I agree on seeking out Asterius first, since he's the bigger problem of the two.
I think it's smart to get used to EM, Forced Overtime, MM, BP, and Tight Deadline on low heat runs when you're farming early titan's blood. I've been running EM3 by itself for a while now and it helped a lot to know the fights well when I finally started attempting 32 heat. And maxed tight deadline by itself feels about the same as a weaker TD on higher heat.
I personally feel like extreme measures is by far the easiest. At least 1-3. When starting to build heat, I would increment those and tight deadline by 1 when I needed one more. So EM1, EM1 + TD1, EM2, EM2 + TD1, etc. Tight deadline 1 I find to be a free point. 9 minutes is plenty of time. At least on low heat.
Same. My 8 heat setup was EM3 and middle management. Theseus/Asterius is not that bad even if he does have a chariot, and it’s a whole 3 heat just for one or two fights.
Thanks for the tips, I'm slowly working my way up in heat, just using whatever weapon has dark thirst. I'm almost up to 16 heat, but 32 seems a long way off
For 32 Heat I picked all the packs that didn't make the average enemy harder to kill. I got the 15% dodge fists, got the golden plume that increases dodge if you finish encounters fast, and then just punched everyone blindly with like 60% dodge by the end and beat 32 heat on my first try, albeit barley. My timer ran out during Hades and I thought I was just going to instantly die but it's just damage over time.
"Git gud with no annoyances" 32 heat: full hard labor, extreme measures, forced overtime, heightened security and benefits package. + 2 points into tight deadline and middle management. And then just break it with base 50% dodge from zag fists + lambent plume, which can go up to 100% total with greater dodge and second wind. Or just some well placed "+50% dodge" dashes, but I couldn't pull it off consistently enough. Still took me a dozen tries or so, but got to Hades fairly consistently.
Great guide, Haelian! This is super helpful to my current quest to do 32 heat on every aspect (I struggle the most with sword and spear, if you have any pointers on that). And coincidentally, your recommended 32 heat builds are the builds I recommended to beginners in a recent video of mine, lol.
For whatever reason, I have never cleared a run with even 1 level of hard labor and yet, I have never removed the two levels of benefits package and I keep forgetting about the 1 level of forced overtime. It's worth noting that forced overtime also increases the speed of enemy projectiles and that is what will kill you much more than the faster attack animations. I cleared 32 once with Zag gloves on the merciful end build. I ran em4 and tight deadline max. This also produced my personal best time for any run, strangely.
Damn your mindset is opposite of mind. Overtime by far feels like the hardest aside from the loss of boon choices. I ain’t touching that, currently at 17 heat and I’ve had the game for two weeks. I’m grindingggg
This guide really helped me out to finally beat 32 heat. I breezed through heat 31 when the stars aligned and I got a run with +253% special damage from chaos, lvl 5 deadly flourish and triple bomb but then I hit a brick wall on 32 when I couldn't get that same luck again.
This is a good guide, but I honestly think Extreme Measures should always be the first thing to chose, even EM4. You'll eventually get used to the adjusted movesets and be fine
this came just in time for me, been running 32 heat all day today with a merciful end build losing to hades most times, or flame wheels. gonna get rid of the 4th extreme measures didnt know about the health thing, thought it was just bigger adds spawned and the heal thing
When I first did heat, I added maxed hard labor, jury summons, and forced overtime because I thought "eh, it's the same game just harder". Then I maxed out damage control. I'm current stuck on the 5 minute deadline for Tight Deadline, but I just watched this video and I realized my order is super weird.
Once I finally beat Lord Hades for the first time(Just bought the game a few days ago), I tried out the 1 heat run. I went with what got me my first run completion, the bow. Max Zag Aspect(Died to Hades alot previously so I had some Titan Blood to spend) with Jury Summons as my 1 Heat. Beat it and then BARELY completed the very next run using Max Zag Aspect Twin Fists.
I think for most normal people including myself tight deadline is unuasable it’s important in my opinion to give yourself as much time as possible other than that a lot of grate tips love the content keep it up
for your first 12 heat you can just run extreme measures 4 and middle management. For those 12 runs with each weapon you only have to worry about the tougher bosses and don't have to fuss with turning different pacts on and off for each level of heat. With 72 titan blood and ambrosia you can max out your companion keepsakes and upgrade a few choice aspects to max. Furies on extreme measures has a lot of variance as you can get any one of the three sisters and sometimes you only get two sisters instead of three. Tisiphone is generally the hardest because she makes the room smaller which is really bad for a lot of aspects. I find alecto easier because it's easy to just doge around her and bait her to walk into the traps. Lernie is pretty much the same except now there is lava in the middle of the room and the arena is smaller overall. I find extreme measure lernie easier as extreme measures lernie is always the same which makes him easy to plan for while base lernie has a bunch of variants which makes planning for the fight a lot harder. I find extreme measures Theseus and Asterius easier because Theseus in his chariot can't block, most of his attacks don't target zag, and he enters phase 2 at lower health. Asterius' big spin is easy to avoid and leaves him open to long range attacks. Base Theseus is super annoying as he's constantly blocking and throwing his spear at Zag while Asterius chases Zag around the arena. Extreme measures (redacted) is the only fight that is significantly harder. (Redacted) summons mini bosses, gets a summon, and during the extra third stage the edge of the screen gets darkened making it harder to see attacks coming from off screen. Forced overtime is absolutely brutal. Movement speed modifiers in hades are extremely noticeable and have a huge effect. Even just 10% form a common level hermes boon is really noticeable. Hard labor can be mitigated with boons that slow/stun/weaken enemies. It's much easier to just dash away from a slow strong hit then from multiple Heightened security is basically a free level of heat because traps are easy to avoid. Damage control will either have no impact or it will make your build unplayable. Trouble is that sometimes you turn on damage control and all you find are hammers and boons for one shot/first strike builds. benefits package 1 is fine but with rank 2 you can get a lot of perk combinations that are really difficult to deal with. I rather run calisthenics program and jury summons then tight deadline. Underworld customs and approval process can be circumvented a bit by using authority to reroll rooms like darkness and gems into extra boons. If running convince fee then you can also try to reroll money. you can also jump inside a caos gate to get a different set of rooms. Routine inspection basically makes your run a fresh file run except you get to keep your keepsakes and weapons. If you can clear a fresh file run with no mirror upgrades then just turn on routine inspection and keep it maxed out until you've finished your runs with each weapon and then slowly add jurry summons, hard labor, and calisthenics program
Excellent video Haelian! When I started climbing on the heat ladder I much preferred EM 3 and tight deadline 2 or 3 even, those 2 combined are a bunch of heat and they don't add difficulty to the whole run, only to the boss fights (and not that much once you get used to them), EM 4 is still very scary though, I only had it on when I was attempting 32 heat. Also, tight deadline helps with building up speedrun practice :D
I beat 32 heat on my first try with a crazy aspect of Beowulf build, I had hard labor 1, em4, bp2, mm, customs, overtime 2, and TD3. Beowulf is super strong with mirage shot, since mirage shot is bugged on flare casts and just fires double casts without the damage penalty. Highly recommend. I used flood flare, mirage shot, fully loaded, a few more powerful boons too like some chaos ones. And try to pom flood flare up to level 5 or 6
Nice! I recommend: Aspect of achilles with an cast build Blade rift cast (ares), take duo boon artemis (hunting blades). Artemis attack (because of the attack buff) and zeus on special. Trust me ... oh man... Damage overkill
Fantastic video. I'm learning so much from your channel at the moment, especially from your overexplained video. Hopefully you'll do some more for the other weapons.
Well you were right I didn't clear 32 Heat on my first try. I managed it on my second after coming here and looking at your recommended pact set up. I managed it Eris Rail with an epic Zeus boon on the attack. My first attempt had EM 4 on and I died to Hades in the final phase, but I had breezed my way through the rest without things like damage control and lasting consequences on. The winning run felt much more dangerous and out of my control than the first did. I think the real difference maker was that I lucked out and saw Patty to refill all 3 DD's I had used up to that point. And the final fight was really easy as well without EM4.
It's interesting how there are so many different opinions about the Pact of Punishment. On the subreddit, everyone seems to think Jury Summons, Hard Labor & Calisthenics Program are awful, & they don't mind having fewer boon choice. Personally, I find Jury Summons ok but I want the most boon choices. I like running with Tight Deadline 2 or 3 (unless I have the shield) & Forced Overtime 1 or possibly 2, but 2 is a big jump
I know I’m super late to the party but I just beat 32 Heat on my first try using the Aspect of Chiron. I got blessed with Aphrodite Heartbreak Strike, Ares Curse of Pain, Relentless Volley, Piercing Volley, Curse of Longing Duo Boon, and +3 dashes from Hermes. Used Thanatos Keepsake for the first Underworld, then switched to Athena’s Keepsake to get the Divine Dash, then used the Evergreen Acorn Keepsake for the last two (technically three) bosses. Finished with almost max HP with 2 Death Defiances (lost one against a cluster of shield enemies in Elysium). Thank you for the guide! It was helpful knowing which heat conditions to take!
Finding out Haelian died his first 32H attempt makes me feel better about my first attempt.
Same, I got to the dad fight on my first attempt, but got crushed, glad to know I'm not alone
@Elfreda Mcferrin you're right. No one gives a damn. 🌝
I died in first room on 32h
He is actually human!
Help pls guys what does the 3 sculptures make at 1:17 at the left side how are they Called i dont unlocked it yet and would want to watch a video to how get them and what they make
I started with the trap damage and kept getting cucked on hades by the green jars as my first heat punishment yikes. Took me a while to figure out why it was one shotting me lmao
didnt know those were considered traps good to know
I was cleaning my room while listening to the video and I completely stopped in my tracks when he mentioned the urns like "SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS!!"
I was so confused because I could’ve sworn they didn’t use to do that much damage
15:51 My guy out here on tight deadline 3 and still had time for the supportive shade.
The devs knew how important the Supportive Shade was, the timer stops right after you defeat a boss---and doesn't restart until the next room with enemies in it. It took me a while to realize I didn't have to pause the game to think about keepsake swapping/wells/checking for money pots
After watching you play, I gave a Chiron build a shot for my first attempt at 16 heat (previous high was 9), and I absolutely obliterated the run. Full death defiance at the end. Gonna give 32 heat a shot tonight. Thanks for the tips!
how did it go
Used your pact reccomendations to finally clear 32H on Eris zeus/poseidon build. Literally couldnt have done it without you Haelian.
I think my most ran keepsake by far is Lambent Plume.
+1.2% dodge and movement speed for every fast room clear is like a blessing by the time I reach the final boss, as I usually have over 25% dodge chance. This is made even more useful when combined with Greater Evasion, and even more so with Gloves.
Of course one could say I just love RNG dictating whether I get hit or not.
Imagine if you got it to 100 percent lol
@@CountJulius well youd basically not need it cuz youd hsve to clear every floor super fast and do all chambers with epic greater evasion
It would be cool but to use it properly you have to equip it from start to the end so you can't manipulate your build with gods keepsake and this is very bad.
I tried that strategy for a while but I made the mistake of going all in on evasion, not realising that it's diminishing returns, the more evasion-type boons you have. I got as far as 30% from the plume, 25 from Hermes and 15 from the gloves but Hades still hit me in all the crucial moments. If we're going for long-term boni, Thanatos' keepsake is a much safer bet, I think. Even 20% of bonus damage is pretty rad and still very doable with a ranged build.
you look so happy
Can you imagine how happy he’ll look if or when this game comes out with an expansion? Let’s cross our fingers for sooner than later.
@@rolo1369 definitely when
Me putting Extreme Measures lvl 3 and time limit just to get lvl 8 Heat lmao and that worked fine for me
Yeah, I've been keeping Tight Deadline lv2 and EM3 pretty much on all the time ever since I've seen how simple they were. Benefits Package lv1 and Middle Management as well
I constantly kept tight deadline 2 and extrme measures 3 on when I was trying to learn the game. Was super helpful and now I can do 32 semi-consistently with my better aspects, was definitely the move.
You can add middle management to that and you're good all the way up to 10/11. Hard labour 1 rank and 1 benefits package up to about 14/15. From 16 onwards I think it starts getting pretty dang hard without some good luck.
@@od1401: Underworld Customs is near-free.
I have just been recently doing Pact of Punishment, and I, at least so far, only go up to EM2. I feel like the Furies and the Bone Hydra don't get that much stronger, but Theseus on a chariot is harder to handle for me
This was actually awesome, I like how you explained how certain pacts are affected by your weapon and aspect choice. Thanks damp dad!
I'm still trying out lower Heat levels, but I feel like EM1 is a good choice for 1 Heat. It only affects one fight, and it's not that much harder than normal. Damage Control is also pretty trivial for builds with fast attacks.
For 2 Heat, I found Benefits Package easier than Middle Management. Even if BP affects many more encounters, I don't feel like they're much more difficult, while MM can easily cost you a Death Defiance. (Although you can argue it's best to learn these fight faster.)
For 3 Heat, I didn't find Forced Overtime 1 that tough, but I imagine combining that with Jury Summons and Hard Labor can be real scary.
I almost never comment on TH-cam but these guides have been a lifesaver man. Appreciate it
best heat guide i’ve seen. haven’t been focusing on higher heat since i’m mostly trying to finish minor prophecies first but only prophecy left is Chaos Defiance (sigh, rng) so i’m ready to start pushing. solid explanations and alts make this guide very valuable for intermediate ppl like myself. ty
I think I've spent more hours watching your videos than actually playing the game. Learned a lot from you. Thanks!
Great guide! I will say, once you get used to the extreme measures, they are not much harder than their non-extreme counterparts, aside from Hades, of course. I maxed out all the bounties of the weapons before I did my 32 heat run and, no joke, did it on the first try with aspect of Chiron Dionysus special with curse of nausea. I had a lot of practice in the game and the Chiron bow in specific, over 200 hours in the game. Practice is really key. A tip to everyone, that 5 minute timer is really difficult, had like 10 seconds left at the end with 7 minute timer in the game, wouldn't recommend using it, 7 minutes is just about the right time for me.
I know this video is 11 months old, but thank you for making this. Started playing this game over the end of summer and this guide helped me get my first clear on 32 heat with my favourite weapon. So thanks for the great content!
I find that Forced Overtime is by far the most difficult of the optional pacts. My first attempts at 32 heat I had it on, and it's so much worse than any of the others, particularly in Elysium. Some chambers with Benefits Package+Jury Summons become much more difficult with that extra speed, and the minotaur is a lot harder if you don't have 3+ dashes. Take Hard Labor over it any day. Sure if you get hit with maxed Hard it hurts more, but you will get hit way more often when enemies are faster.
Yeah its hard for me to Dodge Hades at 20%
Thats actually a pretty good point
Thanks for the guide. I just started grinding 32 heat. I'm also going to try to scam the final fight by timing this run with one time in the story that you get to skip the fight.
That's genius actually. Too bad I already beat the game sigh lol
fight smarter, not harder
This guide helped a lot for selecting the best pacts! I did 32 heat on my second try because of this. Got really lucky with a doom build Chiron aspect bow run!
I know this was posted 3y ago but I only recently got into Hades (been playing 115 hrs now) and I really wanna beat 32 heat!! So thank you for this. So far I've beaten Hades w extreme measures and 16 heat with Zeus Shield. I love this game! So so so fun!
Congrats!
I've gotten 32 on Demeter Fists, Nemesis Sword, Arthur and Zagreus Spear (Painful run, would not recommend). A pretty good setup for melee if you can play fast is Hermes trinket and Ruthless Reflex on max tight deadline. Don't take EM 4, Calisthenics or Jury Summons. Damage Control is whack too. You might get cheesed by Styx on the time limit but it's worth the risk to be a nonstop offensive beast with (up to) 100% dodge chance, provided you get the rare or epic Hermes dodge boon and can dash with precision. Seeing a lot of ranged weapon comments so figured I'd drop some melee tips
I’ve found damage control to be by far the easiest to deal with
Just finished my first 32 Heat run thanks to this video! Great content, I'm learning a lot of things I was blind about the game so thank you so much!
Just cleared 32H on my first ever try after being scared of it for weeks (hadn't tried anything above 16 before that, and mostly stuck below 10), and I couldn't have done it without this guide! Thank you so much!
(Hestia + Heartbreak Strike w/ Athena Dash and Call, got super lucky with Ricochet AND Piercing Fire)
I started doing the pact runs recently and this guide is very helpful! I'm still in the first heat levels, but this is going to help me a lot in avoiding pacts that are going to make the game too hard.
Just beat 32 heat for the first time today! I used chaos shield with Dio special, Ares attack, and curse of nausea. This guide really helped and I wanted to pop in and say thanks :)
I've been trying to clear 32 Heat with every aspect and this echoes my thoughts pretty closely. I have found the most success with max Tight Deadline, EM3, and no Jury Summons, Calisthenics, Approval or Routine Inspection- very close to what you show at 14:14 in the video. I do use Heightened Security as I'm pretty good at avoiding traps, and I'll switch between 2 Damage Control or an extra point in Hard Labor and Lasting Consequences based on what weapon I'm using. I find aspects where you can use that 2 DC a lot easier.
Agreed Tiger! Some times I'm displeased that we cant try more builds when doing 50 heat because damage control is such a problem.
I've been fooling around until beating Hades V2 with every weapon. Now it's time to get serious. Already beat 16 heat, now on to 32. Very helpful guide, ty!
First 8 Heat run following this guide and I got sub 20!
19:50:99/19:51. Tight Deadline surprisingly helped me go faster.
This was so fucking well planned and articulated - my mind is blown
Just completed bringing persephone back and im just now realizing you can talk to the Boulder
Don’t worry, you can’t do it until a certain point in your relationship with Sisyphus
Got the game a weak ago and finished my 1st 16h run yesterday. Now working to get the last prize, thanks for your input as in a lot of videos, for inspiration of builds and helping me understand what i need to go for.
Completed my first 32 heat run yesterday, thanks for the tips man 👍🏽
perfect timing lmao i jus beat hades for the first two times earlier after watching ur weapon guides, so i was lookin at heat now :'D
I used your recommended pacts for Hestia and barely made it on 32H. Thanks for saving me the headache of figuring it out!
Thanks dude! Best hades content creator out there.
Why avoid EM until later on? I might have missed the part where you talked about it, but EM isn't nearly as bad compared to getting stonewalled by, say, the soldiers in Elysium. I genuinely think that they can be more burdensome and hard to deal with than EM3 Theseus/Asterius. I might just suck, but it's what I think nonetheless.
Em4 with hard labor is very hard even ignoring all the other pacts. and forced overtime makes that fight much harder in general, especially phase 1. those pacts are somewhat unavoidable at 32 heat. em4 is also the only em boss fight that is also affected by middle management. with regards to em3, asterius just wastes a lot of time sometimes by spamming the spin move. other times he will spam his charge which is MUCH faster and has better tracking even without forced overtime to worry about.
Agreed. I prefer starting with EM4 and then building off of that. Sure, it makes the bosses harder but you might as well learn the enhanced fights early on if you're going to do them eventually. And once you can handle those, you're basically starting at a baseline Heat 10 before enabling any other pacts.
Most high heat players avoid EM4 unless they are at a high enough heat for it to be no longer optional (50+). It is not bad by itself, but with the other pacts in mind (TD2, MM, FO2) it can be a drag.
@Lansones I always use EM4, but I would leave it at 3 for most instances because it is a massive difficulty increase. Unless you are doing really high heat it’s almost always a bad take.
But it’s fun and you get the banger music at the end soooo
I do EM4 for fun stuff, but EM4 is very hard and can get worse with other pacts.
Thanks for the clear and easy to follow guide. Also, thanks for the edited visuals!
Wonderful video, thanks for this. I literally started trying for the 32 heat yesterday so this is perfect timing. I am an unfortunately extremely slow player (I have 40 clears and now average 25-30 minutes a clear for
I'm with you! I recognize that the smart thing for me to do is to get faster, but I just don't have as much fun with the game when I'm playing up against that deadline.
I'm happy to hear you're taking the advice and tweaking it to meet your needs! There's definitely no one-size-fits-all especially for 32.
I've been spamming EM3-4 on every weapon as a new player and find it way easier than the options you mentioned for starting out.
Once you learn the new boss fights EM4 is just free 10 heat on each weapon. You don't have to do anything but deal with the new boss fights. Lernie is actually easier because his fight is always the same with EM on while base lernie has a bunch of variants that makes learning/planing the fight harder.
Thesues is easier because he can't block in his chariot, his attacks don't target zag, and he enters phase 2 at lower health. Asterius is easier because instead of chasing zag he just spins around like an idiot which leaves him open to get shot with a long range attack.
I somehow just won my 1st try at 32 heat with Rama bow (9 health remaining!), highest I'd played before was 16, mostly EM! I accidentally had stubborn defiance still on from a previous build, and it ended up being the only reason I could hang, I was dieing so much. Thank you so much for your heat tips!
Really needed this, nearing my first 8 heat run and this makes it easier to think about pacts i should go for! Love your content man!
Thanks for the tip. I pretty much stopped upping the heat after getting the achievement for Skelly's second statue, but I might start it again now. Maybe on stream, who knows.
I've beaten 32 heat on my first try, after what you said I feel really good about myself now lol.
Man I’ve put hundreds of hours into Hades and I still struggle with it often. However, I read a tip that has helped force me to become better at the game. It’s a bit frustrating at times, but has proved incredibly effective. Instead of going for the easy pact of punishment options, I go for basically the hardest IMO (excluding the one that takes away from the mirror of night perks). In other words, I always leave forced labor maxed out, then go EM max, then go Hard labor maxed. The principle is to make yourself adjust to the less forgiving mechanics before tacking on the easier to deal with ones. This is sort of a long shot/high risk+high reward mentality, but it’s definitely kept things very interesting for me. It does make the game much more frustrating but I’d rather get better at the game with these on now, then will be able to just pile on the less challenging ones like middle management, underworld customs, damage control, convenience fee, jury summons, etc
Thank you! Just beat heat level 32 with the hessian build and pacts that you mentioned.
It's crazy how normal he seems in his TH-cam videos
I’m way late but I just first tried 32 heat (hundreds of hours I’ve just been bounty grinding before), using the aspect of Rama bow. This is the exact heat setup I used; way different from his
Max jury summons
Extreme measures 3
Max calisthenics program
2 benefits package (caused me a TON of trouble in one Elysium archer room but not that bad otherwise)
Middle management
Underworld customs
1 forced overtime
Heightened security
2 routine inspection
2 damage control
1 approval process
The entire point was to play as slow as I can, kite around. Wound up with festive fog and ares cast for quick ranged damage, and ultimately took HP whenever I could with persephone’s keepsake to keep boons competitive (took dionysius to tartarus for the cast). Was a very slow, safe process but I cleared Hades with a death defiance remaining, also got very lucky with an early strong drink. If you’re ok with a 45 minute run and feel confident dodging around while waiting for windows feel free to use that!
Just beat 32 yesterday with chiron and after 20ish attempt and after that run with fist for the first time .... But used tottaly hardcore 32 heat set up with purge and -2 boon choice . This game is so much fun with a wide range of difficulty.
personally i find i take a lot of damage in individual rooms than in boss fights, so i usually go for middle management & extreme measures. (but yeah mega gorgonxskullcrusher is still the worst) Damage Control is great if using high attack rate like fists/rail but probably don't use it with things like hestia or hera bow
ayye! this video looks real good btw, the cuts of zag walking through the rooms to show where to find the mirror and punishment pacts and wells are very well placed :D
I did my first 8 heat run with just tight deadline 2 and extreme measures 2, as neither really make the run harder. Then i added benefits package to make it the full 8. I got it first try with no struggle what so ever.
From my experience tight deadline 2 and extreme measures 2 are just free +6 heat as long as you remember to pause when not actively playing.
For my first 16 heat run I did it straight after my first 8 heat run, also with no real difficulties, I just had to beat the extreme measures 4 for the achievement and decided to add forced overtime on top of it to make it the 16 required for the skelly statue. Finished it in just under 15 minutes so with no time pressure, also had all 3 death defiances at the end, haven't tried extreme measures 4 since, but seems very free considering the substantial amount of heat it gives.
Appreciate the video. Would really like a video on above 32 heat please and also a general video on a handful of the most powerful builds out there!
My policy thus far has been to let the game mechanics guide my run planning as much as possible: I always choose the weapon with Dark(er) Thirst, and I always go for options that complete prophecies as a priority. Most importantly, I only increase Heat once I clear out all the Bounties.
I also buy the artifact at the Temple of Styx every single run, which is quite easy if you avoid Charon and take Golden Touch. I even avoid Dark Foresight. I’ve found that handicapping myself in favor of long-term progression makes it much easier to overcome obstacles, as I can make things easier if I fail a run.
Very comprehensive guide; thanks for putting it together! I'm still trying to work up the gumption to tackle EM3, though. I also feel even better now about my decision to prioritize maxing out Hestia and Chiron; love those weapons. Chaos Shield is next!
EM3 is when shit starts to get real. I recommend seeking out Asterius as the mini-boss before this, just to get used to his new moves and to take off a chunk of his health as usual. There's even special dialogue for when he and his butt-buddy get tricked out.
@@AndrewBlechinger I'm still working my way to 16 heat (did 10 max) and honestly, after how much trouble I had with the base boss fight, I expected more from EM3. I had no idea what it was going to be when I did it, but I beat it first try anyway. You can pretty much ignore Theseus for the first half of the fight and just fight Asterius until he dies, and then it becomes super easy. I would even go as far to say that EM2 Hydra is harder to deal with than Elysium EM3. EM4 very much fucked me over though.
I agree on seeking out Asterius first, since he's the bigger problem of the two.
I think it's smart to get used to EM, Forced Overtime, MM, BP, and Tight Deadline on low heat runs when you're farming early titan's blood. I've been running EM3 by itself for a while now and it helped a lot to know the fights well when I finally started attempting 32 heat.
And maxed tight deadline by itself feels about the same as a weaker TD on higher heat.
Start playing hades a week ago, finally beat hades in 23 run and finally unlock pact of punishment, thank you for the guide!
Super good info, thank you for all of your videos and hard work. It has made a great companion to playing through Hades without spoiling anything.
What's there to spoil after you beat it and unlock heat? 🤔 Hmm.
Tremendously helpful, thank you Haelian.
I personally feel like extreme measures is by far the easiest. At least 1-3. When starting to build heat, I would increment those and tight deadline by 1 when I needed one more. So EM1, EM1 + TD1, EM2, EM2 + TD1, etc. Tight deadline 1 I find to be a free point. 9 minutes is plenty of time. At least on low heat.
Same. My 8 heat setup was EM3 and middle management. Theseus/Asterius is not that bad even if he does have a chariot, and it’s a whole 3 heat just for one or two fights.
Thanks for the tips, I'm slowly working my way up in heat, just using whatever weapon has dark thirst. I'm almost up to 16 heat, but 32 seems a long way off
For 32 Heat I picked all the packs that didn't make the average enemy harder to kill. I got the 15% dodge fists, got the golden plume that increases dodge if you finish encounters fast, and then just punched everyone blindly with like 60% dodge by the end and beat 32 heat on my first try, albeit barley. My timer ran out during Hades and I thought I was just going to instantly die but it's just damage over time.
great guide, definitely utilizing this when taking on the higher heat levels!
"Git gud with no annoyances" 32 heat: full hard labor, extreme measures, forced overtime, heightened security and benefits package. + 2 points into tight deadline and middle management.
And then just break it with base 50% dodge from zag fists + lambent plume, which can go up to 100% total with greater dodge and second wind. Or just some well placed "+50% dodge" dashes, but I couldn't pull it off consistently enough.
Still took me a dozen tries or so, but got to Hades fairly consistently.
Very solid guide. Definitely plan to use some of these tips moving forward towards 32 heat.
Great guide, Haelian! This is super helpful to my current quest to do 32 heat on every aspect (I struggle the most with sword and spear, if you have any pointers on that). And coincidentally, your recommended 32 heat builds are the builds I recommended to beginners in a recent video of mine, lol.
For whatever reason, I have never cleared a run with even 1 level of hard labor and yet, I have never removed the two levels of benefits package and I keep forgetting about the 1 level of forced overtime. It's worth noting that forced overtime also increases the speed of enemy projectiles and that is what will kill you much more than the faster attack animations.
I cleared 32 once with Zag gloves on the merciful end build. I ran em4 and tight deadline max. This also produced my personal best time for any run, strangely.
Nice guide, thanks dude! Also, your first name is awesome and such a power name. Would recommend!
Damn your mindset is opposite of mind. Overtime by far feels like the hardest aside from the loss of boon choices. I ain’t touching that, currently at 17 heat and I’ve had the game for two weeks. I’m grindingggg
Getting lightning rod works pretty well for me when i get overwhelmed and just have to focus on dodging
This video is so helpful, thanks so much!!! I'm currently trying to beat 8 heat
Thank you for doing the guides! Love the game and these help me enjoy it even more!
This was a great video. Very informative without spoiling. Thank you!
Thanks this is a great guide and really helped me figure out what to do to get to 8 and 16 heat clear. Still working on getting to 32.
This guide really helped me out to finally beat 32 heat. I breezed through heat 31 when the stars aligned and I got a run with +253% special damage from chaos, lvl 5 deadly flourish and triple bomb but then I hit a brick wall on 32 when I couldn't get that same luck again.
This was so interesting! EM3 and Calisthenics Program are my go-tos so it's def different for every person and their playstyle.
This is a good guide, but I honestly think Extreme Measures should always be the first thing to chose, even EM4. You'll eventually get used to the adjusted movesets and be fine
Haelian leading the charge with that Dad smacking strats
I know I’m super late to the hades hype but your videos have helped me tremendously! Thanks so much
this came just in time for me, been running 32 heat all day today with a merciful end build losing to hades most times, or flame wheels. gonna get rid of the 4th extreme measures didnt know about the health thing, thought it was just bigger adds spawned and the heal thing
I was so glad you mentioned the mega gorgon miniboss being significantly harder with the changes! I thought I was just playing badly lmfaoo
When I first did heat, I added maxed hard labor, jury summons, and forced overtime because I thought "eh, it's the same game just harder". Then I maxed out damage control. I'm current stuck on the 5 minute deadline for Tight Deadline, but I just watched this video and I realized my order is super weird.
I enjoy your guides and videos! Been very informative for pushing harder content in the game.
Once I finally beat Lord Hades for the first time(Just bought the game a few days ago), I tried out the 1 heat run. I went with what got me my first run completion, the bow. Max Zag Aspect(Died to Hades alot previously so I had some Titan Blood to spend) with Jury Summons as my 1 Heat. Beat it and then BARELY completed the very next run using Max Zag Aspect Twin Fists.
I think for most normal people including myself tight deadline is unuasable it’s important in my opinion to give yourself as much time as possible other than that a lot of grate tips love the content keep it up
for your first 12 heat you can just run extreme measures 4 and middle management. For those 12 runs with each weapon you only have to worry about the tougher bosses and don't have to fuss with turning different pacts on and off for each level of heat. With 72 titan blood and ambrosia you can max out your companion keepsakes and upgrade a few choice aspects to max.
Furies on extreme measures has a lot of variance as you can get any one of the three sisters and sometimes you only get two sisters instead of three. Tisiphone is generally the hardest because she makes the room smaller which is really bad for a lot of aspects. I find alecto easier because it's easy to just doge around her and bait her to walk into the traps.
Lernie is pretty much the same except now there is lava in the middle of the room and the arena is smaller overall. I find extreme measure lernie easier as extreme measures lernie is always the same which makes him easy to plan for while base lernie has a bunch of variants which makes planning for the fight a lot harder.
I find extreme measures Theseus and Asterius easier because Theseus in his chariot can't block, most of his attacks don't target zag, and he enters phase 2 at lower health. Asterius' big spin is easy to avoid and leaves him open to long range attacks. Base Theseus is super annoying as he's constantly blocking and throwing his spear at Zag while Asterius chases Zag around the arena.
Extreme measures (redacted) is the only fight that is significantly harder. (Redacted) summons mini bosses, gets a summon, and during the extra third stage the edge of the screen gets darkened making it harder to see attacks coming from off screen.
Forced overtime is absolutely brutal. Movement speed modifiers in hades are extremely noticeable and have a huge effect. Even just 10% form a common level hermes boon is really noticeable.
Hard labor can be mitigated with boons that slow/stun/weaken enemies. It's much easier to just dash away from a slow strong hit then from multiple
Heightened security is basically a free level of heat because traps are easy to avoid.
Damage control will either have no impact or it will make your build unplayable. Trouble is that sometimes you turn on damage control and all you find are hammers and boons for one shot/first strike builds.
benefits package 1 is fine but with rank 2 you can get a lot of perk combinations that are really difficult to deal with.
I rather run calisthenics program and jury summons then tight deadline.
Underworld customs and approval process can be circumvented a bit by using authority to reroll rooms like darkness and gems into extra boons. If running convince fee then you can also try to reroll money. you can also jump inside a caos gate to get a different set of rooms.
Routine inspection basically makes your run a fresh file run except you get to keep your keepsakes and weapons. If you can clear a fresh file run with no mirror upgrades then just turn on routine inspection and keep it maxed out until you've finished your runs with each weapon and then slowly add jurry summons, hard labor, and calisthenics program
This is a really great guide dude
TH-cam Haelian: Calm
Twitch Haelian: Chaotic stoopid
Excellent video Haelian! When I started climbing on the heat ladder I much preferred EM 3 and tight deadline 2 or 3 even, those 2 combined are a bunch of heat and they don't add difficulty to the whole run, only to the boss fights (and not that much once you get used to them), EM 4 is still very scary though, I only had it on when I was attempting 32 heat. Also, tight deadline helps with building up speedrun practice :D
Very nice! I am currently struggling for 32 heat, your video arrives at time ! Hope you'll do some video about boons !
Thanks for the guide I finally managed to beat it yesterday
I beat 32 heat on my first try with a crazy aspect of Beowulf build, I had hard labor 1, em4, bp2, mm, customs, overtime 2, and TD3. Beowulf is super strong with mirage shot, since mirage shot is bugged on flare casts and just fires double casts without the damage penalty. Highly recommend. I used flood flare, mirage shot, fully loaded, a few more powerful boons too like some chaos ones. And try to pom flood flare up to level 5 or 6
Nice! I recommend: Aspect of achilles with an cast build Blade rift cast (ares), take duo boon artemis (hunting blades). Artemis attack (because of the attack buff) and zeus on special. Trust me ... oh man... Damage overkill
Fantastic video. I'm learning so much from your channel at the moment, especially from your overexplained video. Hopefully you'll do some more for the other weapons.
Well you were right I didn't clear 32 Heat on my first try.
I managed it on my second after coming here and looking at your recommended pact set up.
I managed it Eris Rail with an epic Zeus boon on the attack.
My first attempt had EM 4 on and I died to Hades in the final phase, but I had breezed my way through the rest without things like damage control and lasting consequences on.
The winning run felt much more dangerous and out of my control than the first did. I think the real difference maker was that I lucked out and saw Patty to refill all 3 DD's I had used up to that point. And the final fight was really easy as well without EM4.
EM4 is nice to have. Makes hades fight alot more rewarding testing how badass ur damage is
Haven't played the game yet but I love your videos, very insightful for when I do pick up the game.
Another thing not mentioned is Demerer on Chiron. Building around Arctic Blast is really good.
It's interesting how there are so many different opinions about the Pact of Punishment. On the subreddit, everyone seems to think Jury Summons, Hard Labor & Calisthenics Program are awful, & they don't mind having fewer boon choice. Personally, I find Jury Summons ok but I want the most boon choices. I like running with Tight Deadline 2 or 3 (unless I have the shield) & Forced Overtime 1 or possibly 2, but 2 is a big jump
Malphon Zagreus aspect with Lambent plume and Hermes greater evasion worked wonders for me.
I know I’m super late to the party but I just beat 32 Heat on my first try using the Aspect of Chiron. I got blessed with Aphrodite Heartbreak Strike, Ares Curse of Pain, Relentless Volley, Piercing Volley, Curse of Longing Duo Boon, and +3 dashes from Hermes. Used Thanatos Keepsake for the first Underworld, then switched to Athena’s Keepsake to get the Divine Dash, then used the Evergreen Acorn Keepsake for the last two (technically three) bosses. Finished with almost max HP with 2 Death Defiances (lost one against a cluster of shield enemies in Elysium). Thank you for the guide! It was helpful knowing which heat conditions to take!
You said I wouldn't get it first try, so I just tried it and got it first try. 3 DD left too.
Yesssss! I've been looking forward to this!