Played decapitation last night on lethal as Tactical. Was very surprised when I went to deal with the adds in phase 1 of the hive tyrant and turned round to find my 2 teammates with volkites had melted the boss very quickly. Definitely want to try this weapon
One thing I didn't hear you talk about is the team damage factor. When two or even three people are lazering down an enemy it destroys them. Yes the individual damage is the same. However the thermal build up that leads to discharge is a shared pool. This allows for in and out of cover duos to deal massive damage. Xenothropes and neurothropes are particularly vulnerable to this. Before if you brought a vanguard, bulwark, and assault to a match they would struggle bringing down the flyers. Now if all three bring neo volkite, it's no problem. Shooting those spores and stranglers are so easy with the volkite. Also it's just soo cool seeing three dudes walking down enemies with three lasers flying around. I'm honestly really enjoying it. Great video, keep up the hard work!
@@kentysette7721 Some of the bolters are alright against them. Stalker and instigator. But the bolt pistols seem to do a way better job than the neo-volkite. Plasma pistol and it's charged shot pretty good as well. I would like to see plasma pistol and power sword on assault. Even though it's a squad upgrade in TT I doubt they'll do it.
I’ve also leveled my NVP to relic tier (almost exclusively on Bulwark), and I gotta dissent with the opinion that it doesn’t work on the shield brother. I’ve found that the discharge does AoE to handle most mobs (or at least put them on Execute), and consistently interrupt the majoris reinforcement calls. What really sells me on the NVP over the Plasma is the ammo (and I’m running the upper row, not the lower). In between ammo caches I will always be out when running plasma, but with NVP its approximately a quarter of the time (mostly dependent on whether or now an extremis or terminus spawns). I would encourage my brothers to keep faith and field the NVP. The Emperor protects!
Same agreement I have with the weapon. The Volkite I believe makes Assault better in my opinion especially going against ranged enemies. It goes really well with Vanguard while using the Melta for the same reason as the Assault. For my main Bulwark, I can't see myself ever using the Volkite over the Plasma for being able to stop call-in by sentries. I've noticed that if you get all three classes together using the Volkite makes for some fun interactions against enemies.
The Bulwalk is based off the Bladeguard Veterans from the lore/table top. That unit is the ONLY unit with Neo-Volkite Pistol. While I understand from a game play balance it can be odd. But as a die hard lore guy, it’s exactly what I want. Also it’s my favorite Space Marine Model.
Ive been with 2 friends using 2 mastercraft + 1 artificer, on the hierophant when it goes over the bridge, we removed more than a quarter of the total HP pool, it even triggered the acid bombardment outside of the normal area
Personally, I think that the Neo-Volkite and the Melta Rifle on Vanguard are a match made in heaven. The Neo-Volkite does a great job of dealing with precisely the kinds of enemies you either can't or don't always want to get too close to (IE Zoanthrope, Neurothrope, Carnifex). The melta deals with the chaff and the grapnel launcher is great at priority interrupts. It's a very solid kit for Vanguard.
Something I've done with the Volkite is that paired with the power sword it can very easily proc gunstrikes that also proc the thermal explosion. Although bulwark admittedly doesn't necessarily need the help when it comes to clear waves, its more ammo efficient than the other options available, and can deal good damage to majoris+ enemies.
So far it feels best against bosses. I think best on vanguard as well, especially with the melta. If multiples are using it, it does pretty good damage. Auspex scan seems to make it really nasty.
I find myself largely in agreement so far. On Assault, I never use my pistol for interupts, because I'm generally jumping into them instead. So I end up appreciating the accuracy while running and gunning a lot more. I have actually been leveling it with my Bulwark. And you are right, giving up the Interrupt from the Plasma Pistol is a bad trade. And having just started leveling Vanguard, it really is the perfect pistol for him, switching back and forth between the melta and the volkite is such a flexible combo.
I first tried it on Bulwark because I've been practicing with the Power Sword. I constantly felt like I was missing the Plasma Pistol. On Vanguard, it's a certain pick over the Bolt Pistol for all the reasons stated in the video. On Assault, it's about as good a choice as the Heavy Bolt Pistol. It feels a bit worse when dealing with Sentries, but it's better for some quick ad clearing and ranged damage against Terminus/Bosses. A lot of people in text chat have been recommending the top row of perks, but the bottom row just seems flat-out better.
On artificer and did all bottom. It’s scaled well. Excited for the relic and been using it on my assault. I have all classes and weapons done and I just adore the power hammer gameplay. I’ve enjoyed it at artificer but it was shit before that. I will admit I was taking standard and master drafted into ruthless so I didn’t expect much from it. Now that it’s purple it’s much much better.
I really enjoy the pistol on assault. I do miss the heavy bolter stagger on call ins, but it does feel really Good to melt heads with it. Can’t wait to get it to relic! Was smashing ruthless with it at master crafted last night 👌
I need it for melta vanguard build, seems to do great for really any boss with a health bar so i can still stay far away when i need to, melta and chainsword chops thru everything else. Came to see how other people are doing the perk trees tho 😊
Haven't tried it with Bulwark yet, don't play Vanguard, but I've been loving it with Assault. The pistol strikes can cause an insta detonation of the thermal buildup causing every gunshot to be a mini grenade. That's at least from what I've seen, makes it great with the Thunder hammer for blitzing through an entire enemy line going for the ranged units at the back.
Personally, i love the neo-volkite on my Bulwark, and i'm not even relic tier yet. I'm used to struggle against Terminus and the duo Zoanthrope / Neurothrope, and this new volkite gun is perfect to shoot those elites from afar. I think the volkite is shit against majoris, and meh against minoris, and i use my main melee weapon for those enemies. Ammo consumption is also quite high with Volkite imo.
I ran it a few times in Ruthless on my Bulwark last night, obviously it didn't feel that impactful since it is underlevelled but my stats on the match end screens were kind of surprising. With just the green tier I got around 8k a few times and on Bulkwark I'm usually only in the 2-4k range with 10k+ melee. I thought well this must be because I'm intentionally trying to use it and feel it out but my melee damage was still over 10k every time. It did seem that zooanthropes and neurothropes were a recurring theme though, had 4 spawn at the end of inferno in one run. I am interested to see how it feels at relic tier.
Yeah I love this pistol on the Bulwark, my main issue is how inconsistent the final bottom perk is, half the time the heat isn't applied to enemies caught in the explosion and that really kills it's potential. I've also found that it sometimes works with gun strikes on gaunts but sometimes it doesn't and I can't find a pattern. If it consistently applied heat to enemies hit by the explosions and consistently exploded gaunts with gun strikes it would be S tier for me.
Also worth noting that with the relic tier it's super easy to stop call ins as you stagger with any explosions, so you don't even need to hit the enemy that's calling in, you can just hit something near them and it stops the call in. Plus it suuuuuper easy to headshot with and that charges heat really fast if you take the damage variant instead of the ammo one.
At relic it's okay. It seems hit and miss with gibbing minoris with head shots, but ttk if you're a bit more sloppy with mostly body is about the same. It's amazing for bush seeds and spore mines. Cultists it's a death laser from close to medium range, but from further away it takes about a half second to second pause on each one. Thropes shield switch so much that it causes massive problems. From the close to medium range it can melt them pretty nicely, but that's assuming you aren't spending all your time dodging or swapping because it shields. Below relic you can legit run out of ammo trying to take it two thropes. For terminus it's nice. The extra ammo and no recoil over heavy bolt pistol makes a big difference. On chaos the ammo variant with bottom tier perks is nice for warp flamers. It lets you soften them up if not just put them in execute outright from a distance without running yourself out of ammo on a few enemies. For what it's worth the aoe seems pretty laughable with either tree. Enemies just don't stand close enough while they're fighting to make it a big deal in most instances. Running assault my pistol is for clearing bushes, dealing with spore mines, killing cultists, those shooty bastard termagaunts, floating ball sacks, and terminus enemies. It's mediocre at best for shooty gaunts and really mixed with thropes, which are huge things to have to deal with.
I have the total opposite opinion concerning the Bulwark, If you figure out how to slot the perk tree with the added ammo extra terminus damage And 20% faster thermal heating added with the simple fact that you have much more ammo than you do with the plasma since you mainly use charge shots with the plasma it has much more agency than you realize I've completed several lethal missions with no downs so far so I personally think that it works great with that class! 1:06
I think Volkite on Vanguard is not only great, but also versatile depending on which primary you're using. Just swap the Volkite's perk tree between top or bottom depending on whether you're using Instigator Carbine or the Melta Rifle depending on your needs.
I like the speed of it, being able to make mobs of cultists or masses of those vines disappear with just a wave of the beam, plus it still works for clearing some minoris or softening majoris etc. Have also used it with Vanguard so far, where I don't rely on the pistol for damage. Bulwark could be tricky, maybe assault could work...? 🤔
I love it so far my only complaint is how fast it burns through ammo and I think it was wasted on the Assault and Bulwark because of this you could run out of ammo almost immediately after rhe first wave of enemies you run into leaving you with just melee which allows ranged enemies to just pummel you as you try to close the distance killing your armor which is what keeps you alive as the Assault/Bulwark, I say they shoud have given it to the Heavy, Vanguard, and Tactical that way they can still engage from any range instead of being force to close distance and hope your armor holds out so you can close said distance and maintain you health after the armor is gone
I agree with your assessment. I wouldn’t trade the heavy bolt pistol or plasma for it. For the Vanguard it’s an auto pick. Wish the Tactical had access to it. When you go to test the Oculus make sure you use the zoomed in scope. That thing is incredibly accurate and fully automatic. I found myself really enjoying it.
I kinda wish we got it on the less melee focused classes who already have the secondary options. Like you said assault is good but less reliable, same for bulwark. But for sniper tactical and vanguard you are giving a solid option for reliability at range that bolt pistol isn't great at. Especially if paired with smgs or meltas.
Additionally, as the NVP is a hit-scan type weapon, I think this goes a long way to move it into a superior position over the lesser on-target weapon options. There’s really no such thing as a “missed” shot with hit-scan.
I main Bulwark and shuffle through the other classes. Most of my play time since the patch has been Bulwark or Assault. Breaking the call ins is really slow, but overall, it seems like it's better overall damage on things like Zoans because they can't move from the beam as easily as a charged plasma shot. And a group of Bulwark, Assault, and Vanguard running them, it will tear through bosses on Ruthless. Overall, it's a trade-off. Once it's relic, I'll likely swap back to the plasma.
this update made the occulus bolt carbine my go to in scope mode on the alpha relic in a laser it can kill a major in a mag all it needs is a little more damage to be perfect spot for me
The biggest reason why the Volkite Pistol is the best on the Vanguard is because the other option is the Bolt Pistol, the weapon that was only used by the Tactical, Vanguard and Sniper because no other option is given.
It's amazing vs Chaos for all those pesky cultist snipers. Start the beam, pan around, and with the lightest tickle from this weapon all the little buggers explode with a satisfying pop and the accuracy is pinpoint precision. I don't bother using it vs Tyranids unless others in the unit also have it equipped
I’m a Bulwark main and I said the exact same thing. It’s not meant for Bulwark, but also it’s just a super underwhelming gun. I was playing lethal levels with it and only using it when I had the gun animation. Plasma pistol is 10x’s better for the bulwark.
It's pretty convenient to use, I'll give it that. It has the biggest single target damage among all pistols, great ammo economy and it's very good at dealing with 1 health targets (chaos cultists and their magic sculls, tyranid spores and thorny mines on the ground). Will 100% use this constantly on assault and vanguard because I don't like both bolt-pistols and will swap it with plasma one back and forth on bulwark like I do with sword and fist.
I grinded out to relic tier day one and my honest feeling are that the volkite is wasted on assault, since they can have the unique heavy pistol, also wasted on bulwark since obv they get the plasma pistol, so I levelled it on vanguard. I'm not in love with the volkite though, since I'm often rolling around, parrying and rarely really having multiple seconds for a sustained beam. Will still use volkite on vanguard because they dont have a better sidearm.
Any difference to gun strike damage or is it the same between weapons? I recall thinking the bolt pistol benefited from the headshot perks, and for melee classes the parry / gun strike is so important
On tabletop, the Bladeguard Veteran is the only non-character who can use the neo-volkite, so it would be weird if they didn't get it... But yes heavy bolt pistol is their default weapon and they can't equip bolt pistols so it's weird they get the standard one rather than the heavy.
I got mine to Relic tier and tested it out on 4 Ruthless difficulty games, 2 as Bulwark, 2 as Vanguard. My conclusion: Very cool weapon, but not a great one. Other options are better
Idk, I had fun with this game, done every mission on lethal difficulty but all the weapons need a buff still. They're all still underwhelming and melee damage in general is unnecessarily low. My vet in Darktide playing on auric maelstrom destroys everything
Look, in an objective opinion I'd assume: 1) Rethink your approach - Heavy Bolter sucks before relice, sniper sucks before lvl 23, heavy auto bolter sucks before relic - level up the Neo-Volkite to Relic before you form an opinion. If the weapon doubles in dmg once you hit relic, looking as you've only leveled it to master-craft + using armoury data for mastering weapons (0xp on Artificer level), it's not a fair comparison to other side-arms. 2) Assault - as the name implies, you're supposed to be running frontline. If you hide behind your sniper 200m behind your bulwark, you may be doing something wrong imho. BONK THOSE XENOS 3) Vanguard - if you're running a melter, as supposedly you do by your suggestive commentary - you're on the frontline anyways, you can easily sneak away with 500+, 600+ kills with that setup. Granted, if you're using any other weapon, you might stay behind your Frontline (Bulwark & Assault mostly) 4) The main reason ppl are using the plasma pistol on the Bulwark is mostly for Zoes and brainy-boys. How does the Neo-Volkite Pistol compare to that on "untouchable" / out-of-range enemies? You can stagger most Majoris enemies with heavy attacks / stomps on the Power Sword or Chain Sword, so what's the use of a side-arm?
Welcome to the absolute fucking state of headshot damage. If you hit heads the weapon feels good if you hit bodies it takes 3x longer to kill or worse with most weapons. The volkite should deal a good 50% more damage to nids. It was advertised as a weapon the excels at dealing with flesh but it does not deliver.
Am I the only one who thinks they accidentally brought the 4.0 blanket difficulty increase back with this patch? I'm noticing way more extremis spawns and impossible situations even in lower difficulties.
yes i fell the bollwark as well, like the volkite pistol isnt as fast as you need it to be for him, like swap to pistol get a shot off swap emidiatly back that dosn´t work with that pistol, i just whised they wuld have given it to tactikal as well i thing it wuld have been funn on tactical or heavy, so unfortunatly i don´t know if i get to use it that much since my favorite clases don´t have it or cant use it effectivly
my problem with the pistol is that when you beam minoris enemy to execution mode...they just straight up jumping back which annoyed the hell out of me, it not like this thing pack a punch or anything, why they act like they got hit by a big ass bullet?
I do not play assault or bulwark, but a lot of vanguard and I just can't use it. With everyone playing assault and bulwarks now I am the only ranged class in many games. Using volkite by everyone turn team into thrope feed. Those Pistols do none damage to thrope enemies even comparing to normal bolt pistol.
Having to get a weapon to relic in order to make it enjoyable is pretty annoying, I don’t care about it being meta but just making it okay shouldn’t be relic gated.
This weapon like all the other weapons in the game at this moment is extremely underwealming If you believe that reaching relic tier on this weapon will make you change your mind on if it was worth leveling, then you will be saying this "I should have listended to my gut" ; again like all the weapons in this game it is another underwealming release, More damage out put for us across all difficulties ( time to kill enemies should be the same across all difficulties) Incomming damage from enemies should scale with difficulty Enemies should increase in numbers depending on difficulty If they really want to stay as lore accurate as possible then enemy types should also keep their endangered "I thought nuerenthropes were extinct" kind of spawn chance
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If all three brothers use it on a xeno, you can pretend you're the Ghostbusters chapter!
Chapter Master Egonis would be proud
DO cross the streams!
Brother I am slimed here!
The Exorcists.
@@cashusbucks Egonis would be the highest ranking Tech Marine. Venkmanius would be Chapter Master.
Had a team full of these, we ghostbusted the hive tyrant with all three and he melted like butter.
Was that yesterday with a blood angel vanguard?
Just nuked the bio titan without needing to go to the end. 2 pistols and a heavy plasma
Played decapitation last night on lethal as Tactical. Was very surprised when I went to deal with the adds in phase 1 of the hive tyrant and turned round to find my 2 teammates with volkites had melted the boss very quickly. Definitely want to try this weapon
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@@default_liver1641 cmon bro
One thing I didn't hear you talk about is the team damage factor. When two or even three people are lazering down an enemy it destroys them. Yes the individual damage is the same. However the thermal build up that leads to discharge is a shared pool. This allows for in and out of cover duos to deal massive damage. Xenothropes and neurothropes are particularly vulnerable to this. Before if you brought a vanguard, bulwark, and assault to a match they would struggle bringing down the flyers. Now if all three bring neo volkite, it's no problem. Shooting those spores and stranglers are so easy with the volkite. Also it's just soo cool seeing three dudes walking down enemies with three lasers flying around. I'm honestly really enjoying it. Great video, keep up the hard work!
The only problem/ bug for me has been it not affecting climbing mobs.
Also it's kinda crap against thropes in my opinion.
No it definitely is they shield to fast
My opinion they are hard to kill unless you use krak grenade, las fusil, heavy plasma or their auspex scanned
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Some of the bolters are alright against them. Stalker and instigator. But the bolt pistols seem to do a way better job than the neo-volkite.
Plasma pistol and it's charged shot pretty good as well.
I would like to see plasma pistol and power sword on assault. Even though it's a squad upgrade in TT I doubt they'll do it.
@@kentysette7721sniper bolt rifle now instantly puts then into execution if its headshot
I use it on assault, idc about people’s opinions on the weapon, it looks really cool and I’m in melee 90% of the time anyway
Same but Bulwark
I also don’t care about your opinion
@@sofla1rr definitely top 10 coldest moments in history
@@Krinov corny
Exactly Ignorance is bliss and that's how we like it
I think it’s neat. I don’t think it’s super strong but I love that it’s accurate when hip firing. The other pistols are hopeless without aiming
I’ve also leveled my NVP to relic tier (almost exclusively on Bulwark), and I gotta dissent with the opinion that it doesn’t work on the shield brother. I’ve found that the discharge does AoE to handle most mobs (or at least put them on Execute), and consistently interrupt the majoris reinforcement calls.
What really sells me on the NVP over the Plasma is the ammo (and I’m running the upper row, not the lower). In between ammo caches I will always be out when running plasma, but with NVP its approximately a quarter of the time (mostly dependent on whether or now an extremis or terminus spawns).
I would encourage my brothers to keep faith and field the NVP. The Emperor protects!
Watched someone test out the highest tier of the new pistol. Even with 6+ damage (max you can get) it’s still pretty underpowered for higher levels
Its following the trend for most weapons in this game
I love how the beam makes hip firing easy. Opportunistic shots are much more reliable.
The explosion needs to be way bigger and way more damage.
That or build faster
You can spec into that with the upper row perk selection… and its pretty good imho.
Or stop being a noob and wanting an ez gun
@nightmarezero8465 Its a volkite pistol. I'd like it to feel like a lore accurate volkite weapon, ty.
Use the plasma pistol instead
Same agreement I have with the weapon. The Volkite I believe makes Assault better in my opinion especially going against ranged enemies. It goes really well with Vanguard while using the Melta for the same reason as the Assault. For my main Bulwark, I can't see myself ever using the Volkite over the Plasma for being able to stop call-in by sentries. I've noticed that if you get all three classes together using the Volkite makes for some fun interactions against enemies.
Melta noob
@@nightmarezero8465 Counterpoint: Melta fun
The Bulwalk is based off the Bladeguard Veterans from the lore/table top. That unit is the ONLY unit with Neo-Volkite Pistol. While I understand from a game play balance it can be odd. But as a die hard lore guy, it’s exactly what I want. Also it’s my favorite Space Marine Model.
Ive been with 2 friends using 2 mastercraft + 1 artificer, on the hierophant when it goes over the bridge, we removed more than a quarter of the total HP pool, it even triggered the acid bombardment outside of the normal area
I’m absolutely loving it with my Salamander Vanguard. I can finally play a full fire build and do my Primarch Vulkan proud!!
Personally, I think that the Neo-Volkite and the Melta Rifle on Vanguard are a match made in heaven. The Neo-Volkite does a great job of dealing with precisely the kinds of enemies you either can't or don't always want to get too close to (IE Zoanthrope, Neurothrope, Carnifex). The melta deals with the chaff and the grapnel launcher is great at priority interrupts. It's a very solid kit for Vanguard.
Something I've done with the Volkite is that paired with the power sword it can very easily proc gunstrikes that also proc the thermal explosion. Although bulwark admittedly doesn't necessarily need the help when it comes to clear waves, its more ammo efficient than the other options available, and can deal good damage to majoris+ enemies.
I love it on Vanguard. I run Melta and it gives me a great range option for flyers and enemies on high ledges.
It complements the burst rifle build for Vanguard really well. It handles the mid-range dps against majoris and Terminus well.
So far it feels best against bosses. I think best on vanguard as well, especially with the melta. If multiples are using it, it does pretty good damage. Auspex scan seems to make it really nasty.
Yes, melta deals thermal damage, it stacks with volkite.
@ dude! I didn’t even think of that lol
I find myself largely in agreement so far. On Assault, I never use my pistol for interupts, because I'm generally jumping into them instead. So I end up appreciating the accuracy while running and gunning a lot more.
I have actually been leveling it with my Bulwark. And you are right, giving up the Interrupt from the Plasma Pistol is a bad trade.
And having just started leveling Vanguard, it really is the perfect pistol for him, switching back and forth between the melta and the volkite is such a flexible combo.
I first tried it on Bulwark because I've been practicing with the Power Sword. I constantly felt like I was missing the Plasma Pistol. On Vanguard, it's a certain pick over the Bolt Pistol for all the reasons stated in the video. On Assault, it's about as good a choice as the Heavy Bolt Pistol. It feels a bit worse when dealing with Sentries, but it's better for some quick ad clearing and ranged damage against Terminus/Bosses. A lot of people in text chat have been recommending the top row of perks, but the bottom row just seems flat-out better.
On artificer and did all bottom. It’s scaled well. Excited for the relic and been using it on my assault. I have all classes and weapons done and I just adore the power hammer gameplay. I’ve enjoyed it at artificer but it was shit before that. I will admit I was taking standard and master drafted into ruthless so I didn’t expect much from it. Now that it’s purple it’s much much better.
I really enjoy the pistol on assault. I do miss the heavy bolter stagger on call ins, but it does feel really
Good to melt heads with it. Can’t wait to get it to relic! Was smashing ruthless with it at master crafted last night 👌
I need it for melta vanguard build, seems to do great for really any boss with a health bar so i can still stay far away when i need to, melta and chainsword chops thru everything else. Came to see how other people are doing the perk trees tho 😊
So glad I listened long enough to get the "guy named Colin" joke I was thinking of for most of the video.
Haven't tried it with Bulwark yet, don't play Vanguard, but I've been loving it with Assault. The pistol strikes can cause an insta detonation of the thermal buildup causing every gunshot to be a mini grenade. That's at least from what I've seen, makes it great with the Thunder hammer for blitzing through an entire enemy line going for the ranged units at the back.
Personally, i love the neo-volkite on my Bulwark, and i'm not even relic tier yet. I'm used to struggle against Terminus and the duo Zoanthrope / Neurothrope, and this new volkite gun is perfect to shoot those elites from afar.
I think the volkite is shit against majoris, and meh against minoris, and i use my main melee weapon for those enemies. Ammo consumption is also quite high with Volkite imo.
I've been LOVING it on Bulwark. I'm very bad at the plasma pistol but synched with this. 😊
First impressions are that I think it needs a bit more kick, but I love the idea and am excited for the potential of this weapon
I ran it a few times in Ruthless on my Bulwark last night, obviously it didn't feel that impactful since it is underlevelled but my stats on the match end screens were kind of surprising. With just the green tier I got around 8k a few times and on Bulkwark I'm usually only in the 2-4k range with 10k+ melee. I thought well this must be because I'm intentionally trying to use it and feel it out but my melee damage was still over 10k every time. It did seem that zooanthropes and neurothropes were a recurring theme though, had 4 spawn at the end of inferno in one run. I am interested to see how it feels at relic tier.
Yeah I love this pistol on the Bulwark, my main issue is how inconsistent the final bottom perk is, half the time the heat isn't applied to enemies caught in the explosion and that really kills it's potential. I've also found that it sometimes works with gun strikes on gaunts but sometimes it doesn't and I can't find a pattern.
If it consistently applied heat to enemies hit by the explosions and consistently exploded gaunts with gun strikes it would be S tier for me.
Also worth noting that with the relic tier it's super easy to stop call ins as you stagger with any explosions, so you don't even need to hit the enemy that's calling in, you can just hit something near them and it stops the call in. Plus it suuuuuper easy to headshot with and that charges heat really fast if you take the damage variant instead of the ammo one.
I like it with the Assault class.
Also as others mentioned. Multiple players using it on single targets is really great
At relic it's okay. It seems hit and miss with gibbing minoris with head shots, but ttk if you're a bit more sloppy with mostly body is about the same.
It's amazing for bush seeds and spore mines. Cultists it's a death laser from close to medium range, but from further away it takes about a half second to second pause on each one.
Thropes shield switch so much that it causes massive problems. From the close to medium range it can melt them pretty nicely, but that's assuming you aren't spending all your time dodging or swapping because it shields. Below relic you can legit run out of ammo trying to take it two thropes.
For terminus it's nice. The extra ammo and no recoil over heavy bolt pistol makes a big difference.
On chaos the ammo variant with bottom tier perks is nice for warp flamers. It lets you soften them up if not just put them in execute outright from a distance without running yourself out of ammo on a few enemies.
For what it's worth the aoe seems pretty laughable with either tree. Enemies just don't stand close enough while they're fighting to make it a big deal in most instances.
Running assault my pistol is for clearing bushes, dealing with spore mines, killing cultists, those shooty bastard termagaunts, floating ball sacks, and terminus enemies. It's mediocre at best for shooty gaunts and really mixed with thropes, which are huge things to have to deal with.
I have the total opposite opinion concerning the Bulwark, If you figure out how to slot the perk tree with the added ammo extra terminus damage And 20% faster thermal heating added with the simple fact that you have much more ammo than you do with the plasma since you mainly use charge shots with the plasma it has much more agency than you realize I've completed several lethal missions with no downs so far so I personally think that it works great with that class! 1:06
Informative as always :-)
I think Volkite on Vanguard is not only great, but also versatile depending on which primary you're using. Just swap the Volkite's perk tree between top or bottom depending on whether you're using Instigator Carbine or the Melta Rifle depending on your needs.
I like the speed of it, being able to make mobs of cultists or masses of those vines disappear with just a wave of the beam, plus it still works for clearing some minoris or softening majoris etc.
Have also used it with Vanguard so far, where I don't rely on the pistol for damage. Bulwark could be tricky, maybe assault could work...? 🤔
But consider the following:
Volkite on Bulwark matches my Endryd Haar cosplay :)
I kinda am surprised that the thermal rate increase is seemingly on the anti majoris/hord line and not the boss melting/dueling focused top tree.
I love it so far my only complaint is how fast it burns through ammo and I think it was wasted on the Assault and Bulwark because of this you could run out of ammo almost immediately after rhe first wave of enemies you run into leaving you with just melee which allows ranged enemies to just pummel you as you try to close the distance killing your armor which is what keeps you alive as the Assault/Bulwark, I say they shoud have given it to the Heavy, Vanguard, and Tactical that way they can still engage from any range instead of being force to close distance and hope your armor holds out so you can close said distance and maintain you health after the armor is gone
I agree with your assessment. I wouldn’t trade the heavy bolt pistol or plasma for it. For the Vanguard it’s an auto pick. Wish the Tactical had access to it.
When you go to test the Oculus make sure you use the zoomed in scope. That thing is incredibly accurate and fully automatic. I found myself really enjoying it.
If we got a grav-pistol, it might've been better, especially as an anti-elite deleter.
I kinda wish we got it on the less melee focused classes who already have the secondary options.
Like you said assault is good but less reliable, same for bulwark. But for sniper tactical and vanguard you are giving a solid option for reliability at range that bolt pistol isn't great at. Especially if paired with smgs or meltas.
Additionally, as the NVP is a hit-scan type weapon, I think this goes a long way to move it into a superior position over the lesser on-target weapon options. There’s really no such thing as a “missed” shot with hit-scan.
As someone who plays assault class some might say kinda odd I like running it bc it works w my playstyle
Looking forward to a waterpistol mod for this gun.
I main Bulwark and shuffle through the other classes. Most of my play time since the patch has been Bulwark or Assault.
Breaking the call ins is really slow, but overall, it seems like it's better overall damage on things like Zoans because they can't move from the beam as easily as a charged plasma shot.
And a group of Bulwark, Assault, and Vanguard running them, it will tear through bosses on Ruthless.
Overall, it's a trade-off. Once it's relic, I'll likely swap back to the plasma.
this update made the occulus bolt carbine my go to in scope mode on the alpha relic in a laser it can kill a major in a mag all it needs is a little more damage to be perfect spot for me
"I like using the Volkite Pistol on Assault, so take what I say with a grain assault" 😂 Excellent, Brother.
It has a rough start but by the artificer and relic tier, it melts especially if you have 2 or more in play
The biggest reason why the Volkite Pistol is the best on the Vanguard is because the other option is the Bolt Pistol, the weapon that was only used by the Tactical, Vanguard and Sniper because no other option is given.
It's amazing vs Chaos for all those pesky cultist snipers. Start the beam, pan around, and with the lightest tickle from this weapon all the little buggers explode with a satisfying pop and the accuracy is pinpoint precision.
I don't bother using it vs Tyranids unless others in the unit also have it equipped
Yeah imo for Bulwark it would be better if they just upped the damage, I’d actually use it then for softening bosses. Love it on Vanguard though.
What makes neo-volikite S-tier are all the crazy ragdoll kills
I'd love to have the Volkite Pistol on the Heavy or Tactician
I'm just barely upgrading the pistol. I'm not sure if I like it yet. I still have to play more with the weapon to get a really good feel for it.
It's fun to pop chaff with it so far.
I’m a Bulwark main and I said the exact same thing. It’s not meant for Bulwark, but also it’s just a super underwhelming gun. I was playing lethal levels with it and only using it when I had the gun animation. Plasma pistol is 10x’s better for the bulwark.
Its the perfect secondary weapon for Vanguard. On Bulwark I still prefer the Las Pistol.
I didnt know we got las weapons in game yet, and i agree unfortunetly i would use volkite only on vanguard.
@@EkhazarHazeI think he meant Plasma Pistol. The only Las Weapon we have is the Las Fusil still for sniper.
@@CentauriTT I wanted to be little shit but you are right, still i would prefer las pistol from darktide then bolt pistol here, more reliable.
Id like to see the heavy bolt pistol made available to the bulwark
Keep killing it
Good for Vanguard and Assault, ok for Bulwark.
For Vanguard, it's the best weapon on bosses for the class , the ttk is really not great on majoris and lower.
Since you need to hold the beam on the enemy for good damage, how does this work with gun strikes after a parry?
It works just like the other pistols.
Thing gives me Borderlands 3 vibes, i love weapons that turn my enemies into explosives
It's pretty convenient to use, I'll give it that. It has the biggest single target damage among all pistols, great ammo economy and it's very good at dealing with 1 health targets (chaos cultists and their magic sculls, tyranid spores and thorny mines on the ground). Will 100% use this constantly on assault and vanguard because I don't like both bolt-pistols and will swap it with plasma one back and forth on bulwark like I do with sword and fist.
Wait until your weapon reaches Relic.
I grinded out to relic tier day one and my honest feeling are that the volkite is wasted on assault, since they can have the unique heavy pistol, also wasted on bulwark since obv they get the plasma pistol, so I levelled it on vanguard.
I'm not in love with the volkite though, since I'm often rolling around, parrying and rarely really having multiple seconds for a sustained beam.
Will still use volkite on vanguard because they dont have a better sidearm.
Any difference to gun strike damage or is it the same between weapons? I recall thinking the bolt pistol benefited from the headshot perks, and for melee classes the parry / gun strike is so important
I dont understand why they gave bulwark the neo volkite over the heavy bolt pistol. They even use them on tabletop.
On tabletop, the Bladeguard Veteran is the only non-character who can use the neo-volkite, so it would be weird if they didn't get it... But yes heavy bolt pistol is their default weapon and they can't equip bolt pistols so it's weird they get the standard one rather than the heavy.
While i really enjoy SM2 it has shown just how good Darktide is right now.
For me its only usable on vanguard, heavy pistol is better for me on assault, and plasma pistol for bulwark is just best.
I got mine to Relic tier and tested it out on 4 Ruthless difficulty games, 2 as Bulwark, 2 as Vanguard. My conclusion: Very cool weapon, but not a great one. Other options are better
Tactical Neo-Volkite Rifle when?
Idk, I had fun with this game, done every mission on lethal difficulty but all the weapons need a buff still. They're all still underwhelming and melee damage in general is unnecessarily low. My vet in Darktide playing on auric maelstrom destroys everything
I've really not seen the volkite guns doing enough to be worth using. It's just not a good enough option to even consider replacing a bolter.
Needs a buff, but other than that it's a fun weapon
Look, in an objective opinion I'd assume:
1) Rethink your approach - Heavy Bolter sucks before relice, sniper sucks before lvl 23, heavy auto bolter sucks before relic - level up the Neo-Volkite to Relic before you form an opinion. If the weapon doubles in dmg once you hit relic, looking as you've only leveled it to master-craft + using armoury data for mastering weapons (0xp on Artificer level), it's not a fair comparison to other side-arms.
2) Assault - as the name implies, you're supposed to be running frontline. If you hide behind your sniper 200m behind your bulwark, you may be doing something wrong imho. BONK THOSE XENOS
3) Vanguard - if you're running a melter, as supposedly you do by your suggestive commentary - you're on the frontline anyways, you can easily sneak away with 500+, 600+ kills with that setup. Granted, if you're using any other weapon, you might stay behind your Frontline (Bulwark & Assault mostly)
4) The main reason ppl are using the plasma pistol on the Bulwark is mostly for Zoes and brainy-boys. How does the Neo-Volkite Pistol compare to that on "untouchable" / out-of-range enemies? You can stagger most Majoris enemies with heavy attacks / stomps on the Power Sword or Chain Sword, so what's the use of a side-arm?
Seems like it's for Tactical, Sniper, and Heavy.
I honestly think it sucks , i wish there was an alt fire that charged up like a super strong 2-3 second sustained beam
is the thermal buildup faster when lazering heads?
At the moment I'm still not sure about it, sometimes it feels powerful other times it feels like it does nothing.
Welcome to the absolute fucking state of headshot damage. If you hit heads the weapon feels good if you hit bodies it takes 3x longer to kill or worse with most weapons.
The volkite should deal a good 50% more damage to nids. It was advertised as a weapon the excels at dealing with flesh but it does not deliver.
Am I the only one who thinks they accidentally brought the 4.0 blanket difficulty increase back with this patch? I'm noticing way more extremis spawns and impossible situations even in lower difficulties.
Does anyone agree that lethal is only difficult due to the scarce ammo economy.
yes i fell the bollwark as well, like the volkite pistol isnt as fast as you need it to be for him, like swap to pistol get a shot off swap emidiatly back that dosn´t work with that pistol, i just whised they wuld have given it to tactikal as well i thing it wuld have been funn on tactical or heavy, so unfortunatly i don´t know if i get to use it that much since my favorite clases don´t have it or cant use it effectivly
This may look like a silver record, but it's really, a laserdisc.
i personally dont think it belongs on ANY oof these classes. non of them really beenfit from decreased mobility to focus on one enemy.
my problem with the pistol is that when you beam minoris enemy to execution mode...they just straight up jumping back which annoyed the hell out of me, it not like this thing pack a punch or anything, why they act like they got hit by a big ass bullet?
think i missed if you mentioned it but it's like the plasma and no headshot multiplier right? Didnt seem so when i tested yesterday.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
I do not play assault or bulwark, but a lot of vanguard and I just can't use it. With everyone playing assault and bulwarks now I am the only ranged class in many games. Using volkite by everyone turn team into thrope feed. Those Pistols do none damage to thrope enemies even comparing to normal bolt pistol.
Thumbs up for TLDR.
great for vanguard but not for others.
I wasn't tremendous impressed on an initial run, I won't judge it though until I get it to at least artificer though.
Is the Neo-volkite pistol good, no. Is the Neo-volkite fun, yes.
Oh yeah
11:49 how fid you make two gunstrikes so quick
Having to get a weapon to relic in order to make it enjoyable is pretty annoying, I don’t care about it being meta but just making it okay shouldn’t be relic gated.
This weapon like all the other weapons in the game at this moment is extremely underwealming
If you believe that reaching relic tier on this weapon will make you change your mind on if it was worth leveling, then you will be saying this "I should have listended to my gut" ; again like all the weapons in this game it is another underwealming release,
More damage out put for us across all difficulties ( time to kill enemies should be the same across all difficulties)
Incomming damage from enemies should scale with difficulty
Enemies should increase in numbers depending on difficulty
If they really want to stay as lore accurate as possible then enemy types should also keep their endangered "I thought nuerenthropes were extinct" kind of spawn chance
1:59 can confirm crap on bulwark