Is an Ergonomic Mouse Worth It? Logitech ERGO M575 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Logitech Ergo M575: geni.us/bD8Ao (Amazon)
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0:00 Intro
0:44 Preview
0:58 A bit different, and my qualifications
1:40 What's in the box?
3:00 So why even consider a trackball?
4:49 Build quality and design
5:33 Strong rubber feet
5:50 Wheels and buttons
6:29 Grooved surface
6:50 Connectivity options
7:01 Tracking performance - Ehhhhhhhhh
8:21 Compatibility and software - Logitech Options
8:42 Comfort
9:40 When it went downhill
9:56 Time to get used to the trackball
10:08 Battery life
10:22 My Concerns and Experience
11:43 Not everyone is the same
12:00 Go to a professional
12:10 Joint protection ideas
12:34 The Verdict
13:09 Vertical Mouse option
14:18 The sound demo - all the buttons
14:40 Outro
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This is an excellent review. ... I’ll just say, however, I’ve been in the ergonomic field for 40 years. I have worked extensively with, for example, classical string musicians with severe pain & dysfunction of the arms and hands. I saved a LOT of professional musical careers that would have ended due to so much pain in their arms & hands. ... For ME, these trackballs from Logitech are TOTALLY stress and tension reducing. Yet I can see where they would need some getting used to for SOME people. But the fact is the “reversible thumb” is designed to do a wide range of motions, whereas the wrists and other fingers are not. So I highly recommend giving these devices a try. But give it some time to adapt. ... A world class violinist who switches to a viola (almost identical except for a small size difference) can suffer quite a a lot of stress and pain for a period of time, even though there is very little difference in the instruments except being in little larger. But because their neuromuscular system is so used to one VERY precise pattern of movement, switching to an instrument that only requires a slight change in reach when playing is enough to trigger an sense of unfamiliarity, which can trigger a pain pattern. (The nervous system loves familiarity, and hates unfamiliarity.) For some people, even slight deviations of movement can produce a pain pattern even though NO real damage is actually occurring. So, don’t give up too soon if you try this device.
Violist (and decades-long Logitech trackball user) here. I think part of the trouble is also the viola music itself, which is somewhat different from the violin repertory. Particularly in larger ensemble, there's a lot of repeating patterns.
Definitely takes some getting used to, and I've discovered over the years that many people, when they try a mouse like this, simply don't adjust its settings appropriately for their needs. Just tweaking the pointer speed and trying it with and without the enhanced pointer precision in Windows can make a big difference. But it mostly just takes time to get used to. There's no way you're gonna just plug it in and it's going to feel right for you. Probably need a minimum of a week of regular usage before it starts to feel somewhat natural to use. For me, it's awkward when I go back to using a traditional mouse: too much moving around, and too easy to swing my camera in completely wrong directions when I'm playing a game. Plus I often play on my couch or bed and that can be difficult with a regular mouse. :)
I concur, switching to a trackball is a very different experience. My dad used one for a long time and whenever I worked on his computer I had to adjust myself. Ended up getting one for myself, and now I’m looking at this one to put in my bag for travel use.
I think even for people who won’t have Windows and use an alternate OS (Linux or macOS) should consider dialing in the settings, it will really help.
I’m also keen to try this with my iPad, since on that platform there isn’t much adjustment to be made.
Hi David. Would you be willing to try out our new ergonomic product?
The M570 is my daily driver, so it's great to see this new one covered. I love the feel of a trackball but after a few years I can safely say the thumb-based positioning leaves something to be desired. I've been having more pain in my thumb and lower hand, so to hear an OT address this is really helpful.
I think I'll check out the vertical mouse or a finger-based trackball. I also wish they had included a hardware DPI switch like a lot of trackballs now on the market. Thanks for making an honest review.
If this is your first time experiencing a trackball, then it really is understandable if you are struggling with it esp with precision pointing. Trackball does takes time getting used to esp if you want to completely master it. For others, it's pure BS, for us who managed to love trackball and learned how to use minimal muscle effort, we LOVE it :)
Well said, I think a review from a trackball first timer should always consider that notion. Honestly I have no patience for people passing quick judgements on trackball devices like this. I stopped watching mid-video
You seem to understand the matter, I would like to ask a question about trackball mice; Did what the lady say about the little joints of the thumb wearing out faster make any sense? Thank you very much if you can give your feedback, as I'm looking to invest in a trackball for my laptop (I like and really dominate the trackpad) since certain functions a trackpad can't do, whether it's playing games or spending hours with one cross bone over the other lollll :D (I'm Brazilian, I hope my English is understandable)
@@claudiojunior1853 her statement regarding the thumb wearing out is a very good example of a beginner or new to trackballs, you'd might experienced that at first but in time and with enough exposure or experience using it, you'd eventually realized that you really don't need to exert much effort when using a trackball :)
@@claudiojunior1853 You can use a normal mice and trackball at the same time. So that so you can make your hands take turns to rest. For me that is, normal mice on my left, trackball on my right, and keyboard in the middle.
I have both MX ERGO and ERGO M575. One is in my office and another is for home. As a 3D modeler, I really would like to recommend tracking ball mouses for people who have a workflow that heavily relies on mouse. It feels weird to use at the beginning, but after a couple of hours you will get used to it. Before I use a tracking ball mouse, my arm and the joint between my arm and palm could easily feel pain, nonetheless this problem was all solved by the tracking ball mouse like a magic. Now I can sit and work for hours without feeling the pain.
Which one do you feel more comfortable? I'm still deciding which one to get.
@@EddieGooch I don't know if you've made your purchase yet, I have an M575 now, had the MX ergo. If either is going to be a desktop solution for you, I recommend the MX ergo with the caveat that the MX ergo uses a micro USB for charging. The adjustable angle is worth it. If it's a mobile solution, the M575. The battery life is long enough that it won't be a problem, 20 months on low-energy Bluetooth, or a full 24 months on the USB receiver.
Not all trackball mouses are created equal.
The Logitech M575 is BY FAR,THE MOST SUPERIOR TRACKBALL MOUSE.
IT HAS NO RIVALS.
NONE.
Thanks for a really informative review. I am a Logitech Trackball fan (any model) for a few decades. I think I have the first one I ever bought that still works. The trick is to remember that the keys and other buttons on what we use don't need a heavy touch. I already had carpel tunnel before I ever used it. It has helped me not get worse. I am administrative assistant/typist - it saved my hands. Again, thanks for the lesson on occupational therapy.
Holy sh*t I didn't know you can talk that long about a mouse
I can talk about anything
@@SwitchandClickOfficial It is not ergonomic, because the trackball is placed at thumb instead of middle index finger
It helps to speak at about 10 WPM.
Shittt she still talking about it in the comments
😂
This is the best review i have found on the M575. I liked that she explained the benefits and the realistic expecation that it can take some time to get used to it which was my experience. Also she went into the software which none of the other reviews did. I also go the logi K860 keyboard which also takes some time to get used to. I like them both. If you have to do precise editing, then have an alternate mouse to do that with
I've been using the original M570 for over 5 years now. I have a technique for using it that reduces thumb fatigue. I hover my wrist above the desktop, and I move my hand around a little bit as I control the ball with my thumb. I tried the MX Ergo, but I returned it because its grippy surface made it harder to slide my hand around.
I've been using 570's and Ergo for over a decade now. I have two other "regular" mice that I very occasionally try using for one reason or the other, but it seems like too much effort after a while, all that moving about, ha ha. These trackballs just take time to get use to, and not just a few days, and you have to experiment a little with what settings work best for you. With the Logitech's, in Windows, a cursor speed of 12 is ideal for me, striking the right balance between speed and smoothness, with "Enchanced pointer precision" checked.
Thanks so much for this review. I appreciate it as I've had limited experience with trackball mice like this. One product for a few weeks. My experience matches yours where I found it frustrating how hard it was to perform smaller precise movements.
Thanks for sharing!
good to see that yt is now promoting better quality underrated content... Happy to see this change coming...
Awesome! Just bought this mouse today and found this review by someone with a lot of qualifications to do a great review!
Good job! I have not been able to make the decision for a long time. But your clip refreshes my opinion on ergonomical devices.
Thanks!
I had a severe pain in my arm and shoulder with a Apple mouse in just a couple of days and it went to the storage. The pain vanished after I switched to Logitech M570. Using it since nearly 7 years. No fatigue as you said. No issues with smaller movements of cursor especially doing some CAD work and things after using it for a few days.
The (more expensive) MX Ergo has a "fine movement" button which can really help you even more in CAD or design work.
I would love to see you cover more trackball mice and/or mice in general. To hear your opinion helps a lot, considering your credentials. Great review!
Thanks a lot for the tons of insight on the mouse! I am probably getting a used MX Ergo to explore the world of trackballs
I recently started to follow your channel. Great Zen vibe content.
Thanks for the review. I've been using the MX Vertical for a couple of years now and I wanted to see if there was something better (also quieter). I haven't tried a trackball mouse but I could see my thumb getting fatigued. I may still try one.
These are thoughtful insights. I currently use the M570 and I like it a lot - to the point I can't see myself using a regular mouse. That said, I am considering alternatives a split keyboard setup. While setting the trackball in the center seems like the choice, I wonder if there is any other pointing devices/multi touch/touchless that's worth trying (on that note, considering the Apple trackpad, but not sure what else is out there). Thanks again!
I've been using the m570 for more than 10 years and changed iit's switches 2-3 times, now is time for a upgrade. Thanks for your amazing review.
"harder time on old school Runescape" exactly what I needed to know! thank you!! you gained a new sub and hope your enjoying leagues trail blazers reloaded!
Very interesting. I find having a wider stance with my arms (due to using a full size keyboard) helps obviate stress on my wrists and thumb as they're more in line with my elbows. (You need a decent sized desk to do this.) It's for that reason that I'm considering a split ergo keyboard.
I wonder if tactile switches for mice will become a topic of interest in future?
Happy to see you again. In na case I have the old M570 and the Logi MX Ergo. The second one has a better adjustable working position that may help you feeling more comfortable with it. Also you can switch the resolution via a switch for those not easy high precise small movement. I really like them a lot and in my case I just prefer using both of them more than any other mouse at home or office. Just carry the MX Ergo with me all the time. I guess should be a good choice to try the MX Ergo. If not possible, the vertical that you are using should do the magic for you. Is the same for the keyboards, mechanical are very adjustable to fine tune the feeling, but for me, split ortholinear are the way to go.
Wow your A roll quality has really improved recently, been loving the consistent content.
I appreciate that!
Some people like using linear mouse acceleration with their trackballs to help with finer movements
Great review. Love your voice. I can listen to you talk all day :)
Couple months ago, I switched from an older model of this trackball to a gaming mouse. I am happy with the change. Although I used the trackball for many many years and this newer version I am sure will be great for quite a few people.
I agree! It's pretty affordable too
Excellent video Betty. The wired version of this has been around for many years, pre-scroll wheel and forward/back buttons. This or the Marble trackman (not sure if this is still offered) were the Logitech options. Kensington also has a few variations but it's been a while since I had to support them at work.
Thanks for the suggestions!
I had the accuracy problem with my M570 as well but that problem is completely gone with my Kensington Orbit mouse. The centered balls tend to be more accurate in fine-tuned motions as per my experience.
Had my first computer job 62 years ago. When PCs first showed up, I had my first mouse. It was obviously the "standard" configuration. As I grew older, I began to experience hand tremors. I was diagnosed with essential tremors. At that point, it became very difficult to control my mouse. The trackball mouse was a life saver. I have gone through a number of them and have just ordered the latest Logitech version.
Could you share your experiences with the ones you had? Which ones were particularly good/bad and why?
so...... pc showed up 62 years ago? erm.... I think not
@@gothicm3rcy426 computer job 62 years ago. Not PC. LOL
@Wade Smith: reminds me of the car mechanics who used to remove over-tightened wheels using wrenches (no pneumatic those days) and had to give jab with the underside of the palm to loosen nuts. Over time some developed issues with wrist and had to resort to office duties
Did you try precision mode for the tracking, or does this model not have it? I haven't used a thumb trackball yet but used a Trackman Marble years back and much preferred it for precision use (I did a lot of audio editing & music production so making minute adjustments was common).
I started using thumb trackballs back in high school (I'm now in my late 40s). I use them for gaming and for work. For me, they're all about convenience and space-saving. Ergonomics is, as you say, all about the individual.
Thanks for the explanations, I'm from Brazil and it helped me a lot.
Nice video, subbed. Keep up with the good work, chị 👍
from my experience, trackpad is actually the most ergonomics because our hands does not forced to stay horizontally. Since our middle finger is longer, it becomes the pointer and when you rest the palm it naturally want to rest on right, then since your ring finger is shorter, when you want to apply double touch for right click, your hand automatically making a 45 degree angle. So the take way here is to use the right corner of your middle and ring finger.
Great review. I have been looking to swap to a trackball for a while now, but still not taken the plunge. I think, after watching the review I might still keep with my regular mouse.
I have been using mice for over 10 years now and, honestly, I have never had anything hurting from using the mouse. I sometimes use the mouse for over 12 hours a day ( I suffer with really bad insomnia,) and, as I said it never gives me any problems. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones.
Really enjoyed this video, it was very refreshing to get a keeb enthusiast's take on this ergo mouse! Cool to hear about your education background and found the review much more enjoyable without the goofy voices, would love to see more content like this
Awesome, thank you!
I just got one of these recently and have to agree with the point about the thumb fatigue. I also have issues with the overall hand shape, which in my case causes an additional problem: constant accidental right clicks. If I simply relax my hand with it resting on the mouse, I right click. So to avoid that, I have to consciously lift my middle finger upwards to avoid it... which obviously is extremely uncomfortable. Not for me.
When you show the logitech software on 'trackball sensitivity' it shows 2 different pointer speed settings. Why is that?
I remember those back in the 90's. I didn't take to them back then and I don't think I will be using it now. Thanks for the review. It was very comprehensive.
You bet!
3 month ago i upgraded my keyboard to a mx 860 logi and a vertical mouse (not logi, one that is a lot cheaper)
It helped me a lot but i finally have some wrist pain in the mouse hand after using it so many hours, so now im going for the 575, but im not trying to found one forever i think a good idea is to switch regularly between the vercial mouse and the trackball.
So i have a question, with the MX vertical do you stand your hand on the desktop or its all over the mouse? Because with my vertical mouse i have some pain in the part that touches the desktop (i use a mouse pad with gel but after hours it hurts also)
I find the trackball mice to be very helpful for use in a comfy chair. Fits nicely on my chairs armrest.
I have been using this mouse for over 15 years I am a 62 yr old lady who has been in two car accidents with neck issues. I still work 40 to 70 hours a week in Autocad and Excell. Could not work those hours without a trackball mouse. I do not always leave mouse on table top, I tie the mouse to my hand with rubber band or hair tie mouse will work in the air, rested on your leg, held behind your head! Anywhere you can click it! No need to keep it flat on table too to make it work!
good for you:) Im learning sketchup pro and autocad and with using a laptop and surface, a trackball is the way to go
I've been using logitech thumb trackball for over 2 decades. Yes since they first launched. I also went through a handful of mouse and touch pads as well as tablets. Half of my work on the computer is on photo editing. I can only say that it takes a bit of time to get the hang of controling the curser wtg your thumb. For general use the model that ypu are reviewing will do well, but for high presion works, you'll need the more pricy MX ERGO model. That tb came with a resolution button. It toggles between normal resolution and fine resolution where normal will be like any trackball and in fine resolution the cursor move slowly and smoothly. I have one in the office and one at home. Highly recomended.
Oooh switching between normal and fine resolution seems awesome
hey bạn, how about the heavy click of middle button, I have mx vertical, happy with its inclined form but the middle click is so heavy, I must click and hold the middle button a lot when using 3d modeling software and now I m thinking about switching to mx lift or mx ergo/ m575.
Betty...the queen of THOCC!
Thank you so much for your very informed professional analysis. I have the M570 and my experience is similar. I have found that you can improve the precision by adjusting the pointer speed in your mouse setup, but that comes at the expense of more thumb movement and fatigue. For some things the trackball works well, but not for everyday use IMHO unless you want to use it in conjunction with a normal mouse.
You are welcome!
How important is the 2000dpi for large >32" monitors? I just order a m570 and that mouse is max 1000dpi, can you tell me?
Regarding the twisted wrist (pronation) thing though…. This mouse doesn’t really get your forearm out of that position “muscle knot “ causing position right? I been using a new contraption called a vertical mousepad where you use a regular mouse on that turns your arm 60 degrees. Check it out. I hope it helps you guys with your mouse using discomforts. It’s called orb control mouseramp.
Great and comprehensive one
Thank you 🙏🏻
Your'e welcome, thank you for watching!
I am wary of getting one, my room's too dusty. would the ball socket get clogged fast?
The first time I tried a trackball 15 years ago i absolutely hated it but they are now a life saver! It definitely takes some getting used to and even trying a couple different brands. What you said about this particular trackball I completely agree with - it easily moves across the screen but has some difficulty when you need to be accurate or precise. I've tried another trackball with the opposite issue - hard to move across the screen but very accurate when precision is needed. Anyway the main takeaway from your video and using them over the last week is that there is a tradeoff, accuracy for comfort/ergonomics, which at this point in my life I am able to take a chance on them, and so far it has paid off! I just need an ergo keyboard but I'll let my brain master the trackball first LOL Great video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and opinion!
If you have Windows, you can go in and manually adjust your mouse sensitivity settings. Precision pointing has less to do with the mouse itself, and more to do with your level of control and your sensitivity settings. If it's your first time using a trackball, it makes sense that you wouldn't like the precision. It takes some getting used to. Just keep using it and adjust your mouse sensitivity as needed until it works for you.
I was thinking of getting this mouse because I am terrible at aiming with a mouse (on FPS). I thought of getting this because the trackball could mimic an analog stick (which I am better at aiming with). Any suggestions based on the above information?
I m using Ergo M570 since 5 years and I dont event think about changing it. It solved my hand pain since a second I switched and the issue has NEVER came back. As you said it is a very personal choice and I'm lucky to fit this solution. I wish that everone will get aware what works for them because the classical models with long usage can be very harmful (linking with what you explain at the begining).
I work on my computer for multiple hours per day (8-10 hrs/day 5-6 days per week on average), My Occupational therapist advised me to have at least 2 mice or even better 3, offering different positions. and change mice every 3 hrs. also to change mice when I am standing vs seated, I got the master 3, the m575 and a Anker vertical mouse. Been working great so far.
So at first look seems good option, But question is that instead of carpal tunnel you get another thumb issues. So I am not sure if this really have some benefits. Yes best option to check and try.
Excellent video! Appreciate the expert review!
Thanks for watching!
Very helpful review, thanks.
glad it was helpful!
A great advantage to trackballs is saving desk space. It really makes a lot difference since you don't need a mousepad. Can't go back to normal mice unless I really need precision like when im gaming.
Yeah definitely, it's just not great for my hands
I have been using thumb trackball devices for over 20 years. This is because I initially was working on an extremely narrow work station that did not afford a lot of room to use a regular mouse. I have never encountered the issues described in this video. i guess I am lucky.
I've tried all kinds of trackballs and nothing beats the old Logitech trackman marble FX with X-Mouse buttons software to map the middle button to scrolling.
This isnt about the mouse but about my mechanical keyboard its having some issues, the w key on the keyboard when i play games stops working or like glitches idk for example fortnite when im running it stops for like 2 seconds then it works again and that basically keeps repeating plz help if u know what the issue is, oh and i didn't spill anything on it and its a Dk63 keyboard plz help
I love my trackball. I use the m570 at work and then I got the m575 for myself to use at home and on the go. I prefer the trackball to a standard mouse for gaming as well.
Informative. Thank you!
Glad you think so
Will you be doing an index finger trackball at some point? I'm curious how it compares to a thumb trackballs.
Maybe deeply in the future, but someone on our team does specialize in trackballs and has had lots of experience switchandclick.com/2020/11/07/thumb-vs-finger-trackball/
Give a look at Perixx's Perimice-520.
It's cheaper and slightly bigger than the M570/M575 but even more confortable as it comes with magnetic stands to adjust the hight and angle (a bit like Logitech MX Ergo).
You can find it in either a wired or wireless version and I greatly suggest the wired one as I don't really see the point in wasting money on batteries or having to deal with finicky wireless connections for something that's supposed to stay put on your desk without ever moving.
Also the ball is the Peripro-303 which is exactly the same size as the one in the M570/M575 and my go-to replacement for Logitech ones when they wear out.
Will you be trying the MX Ergo? There's a dpi switch button that you may find useful when needing to do those small/fine movements. Also could be because you aren't getting enough of an angle with the M575 especially if you found the Vertical comfortable, my wife uses the Vertical and loves it as she gets no wrist issues using it whereas I champion the Ergo and it's variants die to pain at my elbow. I feel you should give the Ergo a try because it has the adjustable angles and dpi switch that may improve your QOL when working. The Ergo plus which is apparently only available at Best Buy in the increases the angle another 10° which I would love to get a hold of but may just get someone to build a vertical base for it as I'm in Australia.
Not anytime soon
Thx for the extensive review..It's kind'a long though..I started nodding off after being half through. I don't think the review needs to be this long. But it was a good review. TY
Thank you for your review. I bought the Logi m650 equipped with the new usb dongle "Bolt" Beside that it is a Bluetooth Mouse. I have a logi keyboard too running "BOLT" But strangely enough both devices runs best on basic Bluetooth. The Bolt receiver interferes with other Bluetooth devices like a loud speaker and induces fault. Drop "Bolt" and stick with the clean Bluetooth options.
What is the regular white mouse that you show, is it a glorious model O mouse?
Would yo recommend this for small hand and for index and pinky finger issues?
Repeat for emphasis; use thumb and index finger on the ball (simultaneously) and your middle and 4th finger will naturally rest on the L/R buttons.
Try it !
I really like the Marble Mouse trackball. Would love to know which you like better.
Can you recommend me buy m575 or mx ergo or mx vertical .. which is better?
just a quick question it works as does normal mouse if needed?
Hi Chị. cảm ơn đã chia sẻ cho Em hỏi 1 chút Em vẽ trên máy nhiều chủ yếu là revit và autocad phần mềm vẽ kiến trúc thì dùng chuột này di chuyển có độ chính xác cao không ạ?
Great commentary
Hi, I am looking at this mouse currently. I have used the previous M570. I bought one for work and ended up buying a couple for computers at home. There was definitely a learning curve for fine work but larger movements were intuitive. I did find some initial muscle pain but that soon settled down and I think it was due to using a different group of muscles and hand position. Having used it for several years I won’t go back to a non trackball.
i wish they made one trackball mouse with optical as well
so you can use the trackball to move the mouse cursor, or for a 3d scroll wheel with the optical movement
anything like that available ?
I use this and a regular mouse side by side. Solves the fine tuning problem.
I was hoping this would be my chance to not spend >100€ on the vertical to see if I can get rid of my pain that I've had for so long that it started from the wrist and is now on shoulder/neck. Thanks for the detailed review.
I have been using Logitech thumb trackballs for (not kidding) nearly 30 years starting with the Logitech Trackman. I have no effects from using it in my thumb, forearms, or anywhere else. I have 3 of them for the 3 computers I use. They have a more expensive ERGO one that pivots which is probably more comfortable. It is difficult at first with precise movements but you will adjust to it. I am a photographer and use it for photoshop editing without issues. The only thing I can't recommend this for is gaming if you are into that a standard precision mouse would be better.
I am using MX Ergo for 2,5 years (it's more premium version of this trackball) and I can't recommend the thing enough! I am feeling very weird using regular mice, and the best thing is that you don't need a lot of space for it - heck, you can operate it from your lap or something if you wish. So definitely reccomend everyone to at least try trackballs, and this one is really affordable, which is a great bonus!
Was wondering if you get any thumb pain using the mx ergo?
@@saepiumv3813 actually, not, nothing like that. If I'm very aggressive with my movements, my thumb gets fatigued a little, but that is to be expected - that's it.
@@MrGamer90210 Thank you for taking the time to answer.
@@saepiumv3813 glad to be helpful!
This M575 does feel a lot flimsier than the Ergo, mind you, but it's also roughly twice as expensive.
I've had this device for a while now and though it took me time to adjust I did like it, but it started to get slower on me and its not the batteries, as I keep replacing them, thought it might be broken, so I looked up the video, not sure, perhaps is the ball that gathers dust and makes it harder to scroll.
My setup right now, an MX Ergo and an HHKB Hybrid Type-s in white snow and blank keycaps. Finally I am fully wire free (with airpods pro 2 finalizing the mic/speaker combo).
tried the ERGO M575 yesterday. Pretty sure it puts the same (or even more) pressure on the position of the wrist that leads to Carpal Tunnel. i.e. the bottom of the wrist still touches the desk. I suppose a vertical mouse would prevent this. That will be my next port of call. BTW, At least a regular mouse you are moving your hand around, unlike this trackball where your hand stays in one positions and with the wrist touching the desk, surely this adds to the pressure on the carpal tunnel.
A bit of a non-sequitur but with your OT qualifications what is your opinion on the staggered vs grid keyboard layout? A lot of arguments tend to stem from staggered being a carryover from typewriters and grid being more efficient and aesthetically pleasing, without actually answering the question. What is your take on the subject? Is a grid layout actually better than staggered from an ergonomics perspective?
It still boils down to preference. I do not think the staggered layout is as bad as people think. It's not like your finger joints can go diagonal anyways, it just results in more hand movement around the board. The grid layout does decrease hand and wrist movement though, which can result in better wrist positioning. However, I've tried it and it poses a significant threat to my typing speed. I've also tried Dvorak for a few days and it caused more pain than it's worth for my right wrist. So like always, there's no one size fits all on ergonomics. That's why there are professionals who do individual assessments, treatments, and trainings.
@@SwitchandClickOfficialThat makes alot of sense, thank you for your take on that.
LOL, funny you mention OSRS since I found this video after my hand started hurting from playing.
The MX Ergo is a bit better for smaller hands. The thumb position is noticeably closer to the palm in that model.
I use the M570 and a HHKB (which brings the right hand position closer than a full or TKL board). I tried also mousing with the left hand which alleviated some fatigue but caused other issues. I've suffered radial and ulnar pain and the best fix is to learn how to use the KB to achieve as many tasks as possible, learn to touch type, have the right desk height and set up the monitor to you can see at a reasonable distance. But this design does help at least with avoiding pronating the hand. I'm thinking of building a wooden wedge to increase the angle of the trackball.
Nice to know! I'm also using a HHKB currently, definitely digging the layout of it
Nice and relatively comprehensive review. It took me personally about 2 days to get completely used to trackball. On the third I set it more precisely with "Set Point", which allows quite good customization. I have been using the M570 for almost a year. In my opinion, despite the manufacturer's claim, the M575 is a downgrade. I have a friend who bought an M575 and we exchanged them for a few days. We both get the impression that the 570 is more comfortable, although the difference is small, it exists. I'm sorry that logitech have this bad policy, instead of continuing their successful products, to "Upgrade" them. I have a K350 keyboard from the same manufacturer. Extremely comfortable and ergonomic, all my friends want one, but Logitech no longer offers it. Instead, they offer "upgrades" again, but none of my friends prefer them compared to the k350.
I think Logitech diversified towards the more expensive MX Ergo and the M575 - the former really feels like an upgrade from the 570: sturdy, high-quality materials, adjustable position, fine-adjust button, etc., while the M575 is its cheaper sister and feels flimsier than either the Ergo or the M570. I have both now, the Ergo at home and the M575 at the office.
But where is the video of actual usage of the mouse ?
Haven't tried this trackball yet but I tried the Ergo advanced. They totally ruined it for me with the software (and it didn't work with the old setpoint software) by removing the acceleration controls, I tried the windows acceleration and it just wasn't usable compared to the low acceleration setting I use in setpoint. I can't picture using a trackball without acceleration, it's too hard to make big movements otherwise. I've heard you can use third party software but instead of messing with any of that I just sent it back. Now I see they've completely replaced the m570 with this m575 which makes me nervous for the future. I've got 3 or 4 of the 570s laying around because the microswitches wear out fairly fast, I guess I'm going to have to start trying to repair those or go second hand.
Vertical mouses didn't work for me for the fact that whenever I use a regular mouse, I tent to move it with my fingers instead of my palm, and more so if I try to move the mouse downwards, I just use my fingers like a claw and pull them back to me. But using the vertical mouse I couldn't make this movement like that, so it felt very weird using it and now its collecting dust unfortunately.
In my experience, it's key to disable mouse acceleration. In general I hate it, because it makes for really weird movements. I use a Marble Mouse USB on highest sensitivity, no smoothing, and no accel.
very good indeed keep up with good work fellow being.
Thank you fellow being
Seems like a very solid product
My problem was never the wrist issue I have is my ring finger "squeezing" a normal mouse which created ligament issues between the ring and pinky (very painful arthritic feeling). I've now tried several vertical mice and I still find my hand involuntarily squeezing to move it around/lift it for movement during day to day use. That's why I am now forced to use a trackball for work use at least since you never have to move it or lift it. Now just to find if finger or thumb is going to be the right way to go....
Is it compatible with logibolt ? As i see, it comes with unifying receiver. But as i know M575 is working with logibolt , so is there two version of this mouse ?
The 575 busines ver. came with bolt
Can you showcase a keyboard called the mizar mz60 60% keyboard? I came across it off of a youtube video and when i searched it up on youtube to get more info about it, there were only 2 videos showcasing it, i would assume its quite new but im not sure
I don't have plans to, but angelpgc did and she has great reviews
For me the problem is the left click, it very hurts my index tendon. What mouse should I buy?
I like the roller mouse.