Studies show subscribers of this channel get on average +0.5hrs* more restful sleep a night without ponderings such as "I wonder how much power an old-school NASCAR guns makes vs the one I have" or "I wonder how much those 10K lumens flashlights on Amazon are lying" bouncing around in their heads while trying to sleep. (* +/- 30 minutes, N=0)
I used th-cam.com/users/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
It's interesting that your Outro screen is showing all LH thread bolts and nuts. Excellent comparison and build on the IR. I'm glad you guys showed up. With Real Tool Reviews falling off the map, you were needed here! Cheers! Zip~
The NASCAR Impact is the same shit with guns really, unless you're a cop or military you can't get certain toys. Well unless you're with NASCAR the unneutered thunder gun can't be bought retail.
the new wheels use 1 center lugnut because 5 caused more stresspatterns within the wheel, aluminum flexes a lot and using 5 lugnuts made it 30% more likely to break
Gorilla makes grip tape that is extremely coarse. Gloves are a must-have if you cherish your skin. Makes skateboard grip tape feel like 2000 grit. Sold at Walmart for about $20.
Nascar just isnt what it was. Its all ads, politics and no cars. I remember back in the 80s when the cars were at least TRYING to look the same. Now, the same plastic shell can be either a Camaro or a Camry. Really? Its a sport thats not meant for car people anymore. And F1 again...not a sport for car poeple that like to own, build, drive, race, restore or do anything with a car they own. Soccer has more appeal because it is more similar to kicking a ball made of balled up rags than any of the motorsports today.
Why would you even test it if you don't have the right criteria to run it it kind of is an unfair Comparison go rent a 2000 PSI nitrogen tank and get a regulator
Nascar is honestly shite, it's left, left again, another left, left. Touring, F1, endurance, banger, all better forms. But, I'll admit the tools are pretty bloody good.
This is going to be a disaster and cause injury to pit crew members. That single lug nut is going to come off the wheel in a very high rpm, roll around on the ground and fly off where ever it wants to. It can hit crew members, it can go through the radiator of a car nearby and it can fly out onto the pit road and he had cars going by. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Typically the single lug sockets retain the lug nut after removing it. At the end of the video where the team member is showing the two styles of new guns you can see the small fingers on the large socket to retain the nut. Since the gun will be putting the same nut back on before going to the next wheel, there isn’t a need for the nut to be cleared out from the socket to make room to engage the next as in “normal” 4/5/6/8 lug setups. The greatest risk from the existing 1in lug nuts was being launched by the car as it leaves the pit box, I can say it is no fun being hit by one.
It could spin out of the socket, fly through the atmosphere and hit the Space Station! The Station would lose orbital control, and crash down into a packed football stadium! Mass casualties, Oh, the Humanity!!...
Using THOR [or any high torque gun] on 1/2 inch lug nuts would most likely strip them. The Nascar gun limited torque in favor of speed. Notice where it sits at the 2-second mark in each test. 25% higher than its nearest competitor.
My guy, I bought an Ingersoll Rand 1/2" electric impact and it'll break your arm if you aren't careful. Claims 1500ft/lbs break away and I definitely feel it. No need for air tools anymore! Edited for a "
@@BriarHood lol one time I borrowed my buddy’s Milwaukee M18 1/2 inch and I went to use it one handed in my off hand at an angle and that sucker twisted my wrist like it was nothing lol I was alright tho
I bought the "street legal" version of this gun many years ago when I was first starting as a tech. LOUD is understatement. My brother worked in a building over a mile away from the shop I worked in and when our bay doors were open he always knew when I was working.
0:38 aluminum rims can't handle the inconsistent torque that steel rims could. On steel rims as long as they were tight you were good to go, even if opposing lug nuts were 50+ ft lbs different
We ran aluminum and magnesium three piece wheels in the grand-am series with these guns, not saying that they tolerated the torque inconsistencies better, I agree with you on the disadvantages, but they would stand up quite well for racing. We would have issues with wearing out the seats in the wheel faces from the steel lug nuts slamming to a stop on the faces before anything else, having to use a wire brush on a drill to clean out the old glue that held the lug nuts in place before the wheel was mounted to the car also accelerated wear on the seats. The reason why NASCAR forced the GT cars to run five lug setups in the first place is a much longer and deeper dive into racing series politics than worth getting into. Anyway the aluminum wheels would last several seasons but were treated as consumables just as the steel wheels were treated in the NASCAR stock car series. There was a batch of wheels that had cracking spokes but they were quite frankly being used by a team well past when they should have been retired and scrapped in order to save money, the manufacturer of that particular wheel did correct for the weakness in the spokes with an updated design but all the teams running the new designs were extra careful inspecting for a while until they were proven to be safe.
Aluminum is just so easy to work harden (means bending them once could compromise integrity because the more they bend the harder the alloy becomes and cracks will appear) unlike steel that has higher plastic deformation values where aluminum simply stretches too much or worse break off (say conrods)
Paoli wheel guns are intense. But they also need some seriously high pressure to run. No clue if our TTC boys have the necessary equipment to run them at full power
See if you can get your hands on the Joe Gibbs racing impacts that got banned a few years ago. Made every team have to use the same and or unmodded impacts.
Millions of dollars in R&D - for single race org's impact guns... Everyone complained about NASCAR "being lame" or whatever when the spec rule came in... but, seriously, millions of dollars into impact gun R&D, that's pretty sick from the nerdy gearhead's perspective(mine), but it sure as hell isn't great for attracting new teams to a sanctioning bodies' series. Any sanctioning body with half a brain would do something about that, it just plain isn't good for business(no one is showing up to the races to see the new Gibbs impact, so there's no real value in this for NASCAR).
@@RyTrapp0 I wonder if it couldn't be harvested, for the greater good of everyone... 🤔 There really is something to be said about the competitive spirit and drive of us, more specifically when paired with the ego of those who have millions of dollars. So perhaps allowing this unhinged spending, with the catch that they're only allowed the exclusive use of it for one (two?) year(s) after debuting, at which point: #1 The competitors all gain access to it, or perhaps to the design and specs, but maybe leaving manufacture left to each individual. The process is shared, just this like specific metallurgy or adhesives might be open. Same to be said for refinements. All of this would drive further competition to improve upon what's already made, all to better everyone in the long run. #2 More importantly, after... 3? years, such tech must make its way to the consumer space in some way. Either through the R&D financer's own company products, or licensing of it. Similarly, it cannot be one-off/limited-run or unobtanium in price. A sort of reverse of the old NASCAR policy of only racing what you sell to the public. (As for "who" has to bring this tech to market, the initial team or any team using it, is up for debate; if the former though, any substantial improvements would obviously merit that team meet the same requirement). In sure there's been similar already tried, or that there are plenty of flaws still in what I've said, but the point is to try and encourage that hey-day of Formula racing innovation, whilst not making it unfair for those who have the biggest financial backers. As close to "have your cake and eat it, too" as possible. _(apologies for any outstandingly bad swipe keyboard typos I missed!)_
This is an awesome example of an OG pit gun! You can see how the purpose-built Thunder Gun really is. Makes the beans in fractions of a second where split seconds always count. You don't need that in a regular shop environment, where longevity matters. Awesome to finally see some numbers on this pit gun. A huge "Thank You!" to Jonathan Fought, who was able to give you guys the shot you needed for this test! Have a good one!🏎🏎
Well rusted parts being basically the only reason you need high power at all (outside big trucks and large scale construction) that’s quite a big exception, definitely not the case most of the time. speed doesn’t matter at all in any application I can think of other than racing so really dynamic would be the exception and max torque the rule
@@CarbonatedGravy Actually there is another place you want dynamic torque and that's aviation. A lot of the stuff we deal with isn't under the same amount of torque and with some things you end up having to take out a lot of fasteners. I've had panels and fairings I've pulled off that had me taking out hundreds upon hundreds of screws. It is in this case I prefer speed every time because even if whatever tool I'm using does not have the torque I'll go through and break it loose by hand so I can come in and zip everything off.
Do you think you guys would test cordless ratchets? It probably wouldn't be that exciting but I'd like to see if claims match actual torque. If so I'd like to send a snapon
Seeing a lot of comments about "...if you don't torque down multi-lug aluminum wheels evenly..." as the reason why NASCAR 'had to' switch to single nut wheels when they went to 18" - but GT/touring car racing, such as the IMSA Michelin Pilot Challenge series, still exists guys and they use multi-lug aluminum 18" wheels. And they typically have multiple pit stops per race that include tire changes using nothing more than an impact, no torque wrench in sight. And many series still race the high banks of Daytona(...for part of the lap on the road course...), with that immense side loading of the wheel & tire. That's not mentioning all of the street cars out there on big aluminum wheels, with lug nuts that were just zipped on with an uga duga gun, no torque wrench to be found. And they typically don't even get checked for 10s of thousands of miles, most of us just take that stuff for granted. The whole "aluminum will fail if not torqued evenly" claim is feeling pretty weak.
@@ruikazane5123 What money and how dose NASCAR benefit from this? NASCAR has just joined the 20th century with the new car. They were the last major racing series in the world that still use steel wheels, and five lugs.
@@Hazel-the-Amazon "New" is how. New regulations. New rules. And anything new costs money and they would not do this unless they can recoup it in one way or another
@@ruikazane5123 They recoup it by viewership. By people thinking NASCAR isn't an ancient series. By people not switching over to F1 or another sport. The cost of selling alloys and equipment, if NASCAR ever saw a dime (unlikely) would be almost nothing compared to the viewership they would gain or lose over a change like this. And from what I've seen NASCAR fans are incredibly excited over the change and viewership is likely to spike from it. Its the same moving from a live axle to independent suspension, people just didn't feel NASCAR was in touch anymore so NASCAR remedied that for more viewership, again to the excitement of fans.
I'm a mechanic on a GT3 race team and we just recently got 2 paolis (the ones with the bias switch on top) and man those things rip our single lugs on and off with no problems, it's pretty insane
@@seitenryu6844 They make 1/2" drive hydraulics and claim about 500 ft lbs. The 3/4" drive units claim about 1,200 ft lbs max. Either of those would be totally within their test rig capability.
They had teams "tightening" only 4 of 5 [and 3 of 5] lug nuts. Races were won and lost by some [and others] taking chances that affect the entire field.
@@stans5270 Not just the field, but the spectators too. A loose wheel on the track has been fatal in more than one incident in the past. But the single nut is no guarantee that won't happen.
So no surprise there. It does what it was made for. It's optimized for being quick, not ultimate torque. The bolts on a race car are usually not rusted stuck... ;)
A unique sound from a unique tool, for a once unique sport. A noise that will forever be iconic to the very concept of cars to an entire generation of enthusiasts. Another way NASCAR will never be the same sport people fell in love with...
Oh man to see you guys rock a nitro tank would be on the level of excessive that most men only dream to be at. In other word I confidently speak for many when I say, oh f- ya man, bring on the F1 goodies. Bet you'd be the only one on the tube to actually test one
Guys us circle track asphalt racers can get NASCAR nine inch Ford rear ends from last gen car for really cheap shocks springs and tons of suspension parts and drive train parts so cheap now for asphalt latemodels sprint cars outlaw latemodels andodifieds from the NASCAR teams directly or second chance race parts in Mooresville they have everything that race teams don't need they sell it to second chance for cheap then us racers get the parts dirt cheap. 900 dollars worth of break pads I got for 75 bucks that had 3 laps on them from Bristol and fit in our calipers for local asphalt cars lots of the last year gen parts we can adapt for asphalt latemodels and local classes. Check out second chance race parts for tools and equipment NASCAR teams can't use anymore will be dime a dozen for sale at second chance anything to do with oval racing they got it for sale even whole chassis and cars from last 10 years that are legal for arca racing or even as a chassis for vintage NASCAR races cuse the body just had to look vintage chassis can be new or old that doesn't matter just the body they care about
Changing to a single lug sucks. Part of the wild card part of NASCAR was the lug man doing his job correctly & quickly. It could mean the difference in he messed up & that's just human.
Pit crews use special sockets not like a normal impact socket. You don't have to be perfectly lined up with the nut. At least that's what I've been told.
Try buying another one, I want one for home and work. I should have bought two when they were available! And he says the pit gun is basically not available for purchase, but showcasing one himself...
"street legal" like there's some law preventing anyone from buying/building one.. 🤷👉👌 If you want some real horsepower check out the one inch drive version with the six inch anvil. Makes that thing look like a child's toy.
Idk. Great video, but i'm not really a fan of the swap. I enjoyed the 5 lug pit stops. Seems like more of a challenge. I get that the uni-lug is faster, but watching put crews work was always hugely entertaining. F1 stops just aren't as fun.
Well, at least will still hear the Italian guns in the Xfinity and Truck series. Then when Nascar mandated that gun a few teams started playing around with the gasses and then Nascar had to regulate the gas.
I know IR was a NASCAR sponsor for decades before the Thunder Gun. Anyone know what guns the crews used before the Thunder Gun? I wonder why they didn't sell the real NASCAR version TG? I get that they would not want to warranty it but I bet they could have sold a few even without a warranty.
Interesting that Formula 1 is also getting larger wheels, going from 13" to 18" this year. Have had single lugs forever, with guns powerful enough to rip your arm off (or strip the splines of the nut.)
I'm not going to say anything anout my company but we get ingersol rand impacts for industrial applications all the time. The dealer rep knew I drive asphalt latemodels and that I go to races where we have live green flag pit stops so he gifted me 4 nascar pit guns and man it's so nice. I run two of them off of bottles with nitrogen in it so that way you can fill tires with nitrogen and run the guns off the compressed nitrogen bottles. My volunteer pit crew loved it we ran live pit stop practice in my driveway and we got it down to 15 seconds all 4 tires with wide 5 hubs. That self aligning socket we use makes huge difference so you don't gotta lift off the trigger
Studies show subscribers of this channel get on average +0.5hrs* more restful sleep a night without ponderings such as "I wonder how much power an old-school NASCAR guns makes vs the one I have" or "I wonder how much those 10K lumens flashlights on Amazon are lying" bouncing around in their heads while trying to sleep. (* +/- 30 minutes, N=0)
damn straight. you got that right.
Sometimes I rewatch videos to fall asleep to so N >= 1 😂
@@LogieD223 They put my wife to sleep like a charm. Basically a public service at this point!
sorry but until you build a test rig for it I just don't know how much I can buy what you're saying
Petition to update the sfx on the "subscribe" insert to recordings you take of this pit gun
I used th-cam.com/users/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
Me: Make sure you torque those wheels to the right spec.
NASCAR: Burp burp burp...
Sounds like discount tire. Bet all those boys just play pretend nascar with my lugs
I’ve had no interest in any kind of power tools until discovering this channel it’s so cool and interesting how’d I get here
It's interesting that your Outro screen is showing all LH thread bolts and nuts. Excellent comparison and build on the IR. I'm glad you guys showed up. With Real Tool Reviews falling off the map, you were needed here! Cheers! Zip~
Our reverse tests are left hand threads:)
just noticed at 2:53 the third lug the tech slams home fucin *sparks.* thats nuts
Man I love this channel
I have a high rpm 3/8" gun at work for my half inch guns fail I use it. Stuff like sway bar link nuts and strut top nuts ect.
Nothing beats Air
All about that instant power thrust
it's oddly similar to those cheap guns you get in lidle i think there called parkside, no sorry i think there called Sealey SA2 Air Impact Wrench
Great episode!
its about impact when at speed
u get like 0.01sec impact and already loosen up the bolt
Truly fascinating.
I wonder how much torque those nascar 5 lugs get to in a real pit stop?
That Thor really is mjolnir I’m starting to believe.
You guys have to test out the new metabo HPT flexvolt impact driver. I just bought one and I'm dying to know the specs!
That was a fantastic video! Thank you guys very much for all you do. 🙏
Have you all tried porting the Thor unit yet?
So… What’s the wrist breaking score on that bad boy?
Why didn’t they sell the thunder gun to the public?
Harbor Freight gun all the way.
My day is now complete
Yesss!!
The NASCAR Impact is the same shit with guns really, unless you're a cop or military you can't get certain toys. Well unless you're with NASCAR the unneutered thunder gun can't be bought retail.
Where are those manufactured?
Are they domestic or Chinese like the current lineup?
They are made is US
the new wheels use 1 center lugnut because 5 caused more stresspatterns within the wheel, aluminum flexes a lot and using 5 lugnuts made it 30% more likely to break
666 the number of the Beast !
Why the fu k would they change the lugs on nascars
the single lug in nascar pisses me off
Realistically can't be purchased?
Try buying another 1894...
Does anyone know where to get grip tape like we see at 10:25 ?
It looks like the same stuff that gets used on floors
Gorilla makes grip tape that is extremely coarse. Gloves are a must-have if you cherish your skin. Makes skateboard grip tape feel like 2000 grit. Sold at Walmart for about $20.
Now if only y'all had nitrogen for this gun
Nascar just isnt what it was. Its all ads, politics and no cars.
I remember back in the 80s when the cars were at least TRYING to look the same. Now, the same plastic shell can be either a Camaro or a Camry. Really? Its a sport thats not meant for car people anymore.
And F1 again...not a sport for car poeple that like to own, build, drive, race, restore or do anything with a car they own. Soccer has more appeal because it is more similar to kicking a ball made of balled up rags than any of the motorsports today.
Why would you even test it if you don't have the right criteria to run it it kind of is an unfair Comparison go rent a 2000 PSI nitrogen tank and get a regulator
Nascar is honestly shite, it's left, left again, another left, left. Touring, F1, endurance, banger, all better forms. But, I'll admit the tools are pretty bloody good.
This is going to be a disaster and cause injury to pit crew members. That single lug nut is going to come off the wheel in a very high rpm, roll around on the ground and fly off where ever it wants to. It can hit crew members, it can go through the radiator of a car nearby and it can fly out onto the pit road and he had cars going by. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Typically the single lug sockets retain the lug nut after removing it. At the end of the video where the team member is showing the two styles of new guns you can see the small fingers on the large socket to retain the nut. Since the gun will be putting the same nut back on before going to the next wheel, there isn’t a need for the nut to be cleared out from the socket to make room to engage the next as in “normal” 4/5/6/8 lug setups. The greatest risk from the existing 1in lug nuts was being launched by the car as it leaves the pit box, I can say it is no fun being hit by one.
It could spin out of the socket, fly through the atmosphere and hit the Space Station! The Station would lose orbital control, and crash down into a packed football stadium! Mass casualties, Oh, the Humanity!!...
If it is an assault nut it could jump out and kill the crowd
can you try this one ( rodcraft rc2277 )
So they aren't going going to do five lug anymore that's just not right
Using THOR [or any high torque gun] on 1/2 inch lug nuts would most likely strip them.
The Nascar gun limited torque in favor of speed. Notice where it sits at the 2-second mark in each test. 25% higher than its nearest competitor.
Absolutely
Yeah the whole point is it hits the removal and installation torque of its target fastener quicker than anything. No need for extra bulk or power.
Nascar Cup racers use (or used) 5/8-18 wheels studs, not 1/2".
That was the point of the video captain.
It was definitely engineered with a specific fastener and a specific torque in mind. Very good at one thing.
Dude ... I need that thunder gun 😳
My guy, I bought an Ingersoll Rand 1/2" electric impact and it'll break your arm if you aren't careful. Claims 1500ft/lbs break away and I definitely feel it. No need for air tools anymore!
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@@BriarHood I can hold that back with a 1/2" wrench
@@BriarHood lol one time I borrowed my buddy’s Milwaukee M18 1/2 inch and I went to use it one handed in my off hand at an angle and that sucker twisted my wrist like it was nothing lol I was alright tho
Calm down Francis!!!
You can Buy them
I bought the "street legal" version of this gun many years ago when I was first starting as a tech. LOUD is understatement. My brother worked in a building over a mile away from the shop I worked in and when our bay doors were open he always knew when I was working.
Lol, a mile? Really? Geez
Lies again? Gun Oil Blood Of Malay
0:38 aluminum rims can't handle the inconsistent torque that steel rims could. On steel rims as long as they were tight you were good to go, even if opposing lug nuts were 50+ ft lbs different
We ran aluminum and magnesium three piece wheels in the grand-am series with these guns, not saying that they tolerated the torque inconsistencies better, I agree with you on the disadvantages, but they would stand up quite well for racing. We would have issues with wearing out the seats in the wheel faces from the steel lug nuts slamming to a stop on the faces before anything else, having to use a wire brush on a drill to clean out the old glue that held the lug nuts in place before the wheel was mounted to the car also accelerated wear on the seats. The reason why NASCAR forced the GT cars to run five lug setups in the first place is a much longer and deeper dive into racing series politics than worth getting into. Anyway the aluminum wheels would last several seasons but were treated as consumables just as the steel wheels were treated in the NASCAR stock car series. There was a batch of wheels that had cracking spokes but they were quite frankly being used by a team well past when they should have been retired and scrapped in order to save money, the manufacturer of that particular wheel did correct for the weakness in the spokes with an updated design but all the teams running the new designs were extra careful inspecting for a while until they were proven to be safe.
Aluminum is just so easy to work harden (means bending them once could compromise integrity because the more they bend the harder the alloy becomes and cracks will appear) unlike steel that has higher plastic deformation values where aluminum simply stretches too much or worse break off (say conrods)
hell yes cant wait to see you get your hands on the f1 tools
I'd imagine F1 is in a new league of pricing compared to this
Keep counting... I'll tell you when to stop$$$
Paoli wheel guns are intense. But they also need some seriously high pressure to run. No clue if our TTC boys have the necessary equipment to run them at full power
About €9,000. 350 PSI for those wondering at home.
@@EvLSpectre its just diving bottles. It's the same kit that does air jacks.
See if you can get your hands on the Joe Gibbs racing impacts that got banned a few years ago. Made every team have to use the same and or unmodded impacts.
Yup there were a few teams that were building their own impacts wild stuff
Millions of dollars in R&D - for single race org's impact guns...
Everyone complained about NASCAR "being lame" or whatever when the spec rule came in... but, seriously, millions of dollars into impact gun R&D, that's pretty sick from the nerdy gearhead's perspective(mine), but it sure as hell isn't great for attracting new teams to a sanctioning bodies' series. Any sanctioning body with half a brain would do something about that, it just plain isn't good for business(no one is showing up to the races to see the new Gibbs impact, so there's no real value in this for NASCAR).
@@RyTrapp0 I wonder if it couldn't be harvested, for the greater good of everyone... 🤔
There really is something to be said about the competitive spirit and drive of us, more specifically when paired with the ego of those who have millions of dollars.
So perhaps allowing this unhinged spending, with the catch that they're only allowed the exclusive use of it for one (two?) year(s) after debuting, at which point:
#1 The competitors all gain access to it, or perhaps to the design and specs, but maybe leaving manufacture left to each individual. The process is shared, just this like specific metallurgy or adhesives might be open. Same to be said for refinements. All of this would drive further competition to improve upon what's already made, all to better everyone in the long run.
#2 More importantly, after... 3? years, such tech must make its way to the consumer space in some way. Either through the R&D financer's own company products, or licensing of it. Similarly, it cannot be one-off/limited-run or unobtanium in price. A sort of reverse of the old NASCAR policy of only racing what you sell to the public. (As for "who" has to bring this tech to market, the initial team or any team using it, is up for debate; if the former though, any substantial improvements would obviously merit that team meet the same requirement).
In sure there's been similar already tried, or that there are plenty of flaws still in what I've said, but the point is to try and encourage that hey-day of Formula racing innovation, whilst not making it unfair for those who have the biggest financial backers.
As close to "have your cake and eat it, too" as possible.
_(apologies for any outstandingly bad swipe keyboard typos I missed!)_
This is an awesome example of an OG pit gun! You can see how the purpose-built Thunder Gun really is. Makes the beans in fractions of a second where split seconds always count. You don't need that in a regular shop environment, where longevity matters. Awesome to finally see some numbers on this pit gun. A huge "Thank You!" to Jonathan Fought, who was able to give you guys the shot you needed for this test! Have a good one!🏎🏎
Way more interesting than I thought. Very well engineered for it's designed purpose.
Yes, do the F1 gun.
TTC never disappoints. They always make interesting content.
Street legal thundergun was my first impact! Everyone in the shop hated it so much but I loved that sound!
5-lug pitstops will always be welcome in my driveway. And take 3 hours...
Given the NASCAR gun is only intended for 1 second applications - I’d say best of the lot.
Goes to show how dynamic torque is more important than max torque most of the time. Rusted parts being the exception.
Yup, well if speed is your goal.
Well rusted parts being basically the only reason you need high power at all (outside big trucks and large scale construction) that’s quite a big exception, definitely not the case most of the time. speed doesn’t matter at all in any application I can think of other than racing so really dynamic would be the exception and max torque the rule
@@CarbonatedGravy Actually there is another place you want dynamic torque and that's aviation. A lot of the stuff we deal with isn't under the same amount of torque and with some things you end up having to take out a lot of fasteners. I've had panels and fairings I've pulled off that had me taking out hundreds upon hundreds of screws. It is in this case I prefer speed every time because even if whatever tool I'm using does not have the torque I'll go through and break it loose by hand so I can come in and zip everything off.
I don’t know how I ended up here, but damn am I happy I did. Hope this channel blows up, great content as always!
Do you think you guys would test cordless ratchets? It probably wouldn't be that exciting but I'd like to see if claims match actual torque. If so I'd like to send a snapon
Seeing a lot of comments about "...if you don't torque down multi-lug aluminum wheels evenly..." as the reason why NASCAR 'had to' switch to single nut wheels when they went to 18" - but GT/touring car racing, such as the IMSA Michelin Pilot Challenge series, still exists guys and they use multi-lug aluminum 18" wheels. And they typically have multiple pit stops per race that include tire changes using nothing more than an impact, no torque wrench in sight. And many series still race the high banks of Daytona(...for part of the lap on the road course...), with that immense side loading of the wheel & tire.
That's not mentioning all of the street cars out there on big aluminum wheels, with lug nuts that were just zipped on with an uga duga gun, no torque wrench to be found. And they typically don't even get checked for 10s of thousands of miles, most of us just take that stuff for granted.
The whole "aluminum will fail if not torqued evenly" claim is feeling pretty weak.
NASCAR wants that $$$ and that is the sole reasonable reason. And they are different on their own compared to other track/circuit racing so...
@@ruikazane5123 What money and how dose NASCAR benefit from this? NASCAR has just joined the 20th century with the new car. They were the last major racing series in the world that still use steel wheels, and five lugs.
@@Hazel-the-Amazon "New" is how. New regulations. New rules. And anything new costs money and they would not do this unless they can recoup it in one way or another
@@ruikazane5123 They recoup it by viewership. By people thinking NASCAR isn't an ancient series. By people not switching over to F1 or another sport. The cost of selling alloys and equipment, if NASCAR ever saw a dime (unlikely) would be almost nothing compared to the viewership they would gain or lose over a change like this. And from what I've seen NASCAR fans are incredibly excited over the change and viewership is likely to spike from it.
Its the same moving from a live axle to independent suspension, people just didn't feel NASCAR was in touch anymore so NASCAR remedied that for more viewership, again to the excitement of fans.
@@olivialambert4124 Nah lol real nascar fans didn't "want" that or care one bit about it really
You should make a test that has pre torqued studs with lug nuts and then get a speed socket to really see what that impact can do
I thought these guns were powered by nitrogen in NASCAR? Compressed nitrogen would cause this gun to be a very different animal.
Compressed nitrogen at these same PSI levels, but yes. The air density is pretty similar, as our air is close to 80% nitrogen.
I'm a mechanic on a GT3 race team and we just recently got 2 paolis (the ones with the bias switch on top) and man those things rip our single lugs on and off with no problems, it's pretty insane
Any way you could test hydraulic impacts? They claim big numbers, but they also require a hydraulic system to run.
Would require a new test rig. Many of those are capable of insane torque with huge fasteners. Usually they come with reaction devices.
@@seitenryu6844 They make 1/2" drive hydraulics and claim about 500 ft lbs. The 3/4" drive units claim about 1,200 ft lbs max. Either of those would be totally within their test rig capability.
But theyre saying the reason for the uni-nut is for safety, cuz its impossible to get all 5 nuts torqued to spec in that short of time,..
And can cause rims to warp and tire wear..
They say a lot of things :P
They had teams "tightening" only 4 of 5 [and 3 of 5] lug nuts.
Races were won and lost by some [and others] taking chances that affect the entire field.
@@stans5270 Not just the field, but the spectators too. A loose wheel on the track has been fatal in more than one incident in the past. But the single nut is no guarantee that won't happen.
@@jdinnis ya picked a fine time to leave me loosewheeeel
You need to cut off every other corner of a 12pt socket to make a nascar-ish socket.
Pin a spring inside for even more resemblance.
So no surprise there. It does what it was made for. It's optimized for being quick, not ultimate torque. The bolts on a race car are usually not rusted stuck... ;)
A unique sound from a unique tool, for a once unique sport. A noise that will forever be iconic to the very concept of cars to an entire generation of enthusiasts. Another way NASCAR will never be the same sport people fell in love with...
Oh man to see you guys rock a nitro tank would be on the level of excessive that most men only dream to be at. In other word I confidently speak for many when I say, oh f- ya man, bring on the F1 goodies. Bet you'd be the only one on the tube to actually test one
damn this felt like an episode of forgotten weapons lmao
Guys us circle track asphalt racers can get NASCAR nine inch Ford rear ends from last gen car for really cheap shocks springs and tons of suspension parts and drive train parts so cheap now for asphalt latemodels sprint cars outlaw latemodels andodifieds from the NASCAR teams directly or second chance race parts in Mooresville they have everything that race teams don't need they sell it to second chance for cheap then us racers get the parts dirt cheap. 900 dollars worth of break pads I got for 75 bucks that had 3 laps on them from Bristol and fit in our calipers for local asphalt cars lots of the last year gen parts we can adapt for asphalt latemodels and local classes. Check out second chance race parts for tools and equipment NASCAR teams can't use anymore will be dime a dozen for sale at second chance anything to do with oval racing they got it for sale even whole chassis and cars from last 10 years that are legal for arca racing or even as a chassis for vintage NASCAR races cuse the body just had to look vintage chassis can be new or old that doesn't matter just the body they care about
What do you mean street legal? Is this gun illegal to own.
Very curious to see in the Pit Lane if the times for pit stop have changed because of the single nut, versus the old five nut change.
They will be slightly faster but there are still inevitable obstacles to overcome that will keep them around 10 seconds fueling being the biggest one
They played around with the speed of the new single lug impacts to make the times roughly equal
Changing to a single lug sucks. Part of the wild card part of NASCAR was the lug man doing his job correctly & quickly. It could mean the difference in he messed up & that's just human.
Pit crews use special sockets not like a normal impact socket. You don't have to be perfectly lined up with the nut. At least that's what I've been told.
What specifically defines ‘Street legal’ vs ‘Not Street legal’ in the world of impacts?
This is awesome! Great content as always
Best channel on TH-cam. 👍
Everything stops when your video drops.
Not enough air, get the tank like Nascar has and see some real power
Of course you can’t just buy the thunder gun you have to get it from the mystery box duhh
Unfortunately, stock cars are getting further and further away from any version of stock.
Yep it's nothing but a spec racing kit car series now. No more ingenuity. Lots of good car builders and mechanics out of a job now.
Loved the “reverse” dyno runs - starting with a tightened nut. 👍
I bought a Thor based on your tests. Even on less than ideal hoses and fittings....it's a beast.
Try buying another one, I want one for home and work. I should have bought two when they were available!
And he says the pit gun is basically not available for purchase, but showcasing one himself...
@@disgruntledegghead6923 in the vid we mentioned we borrowed this from someone who worked with them
@@TorqueTestChannel Two days later, but you still don't answer the question I asked about reparing air tools.
Borrowed is right...
@@disgruntledegghead6923 Your name suits you well
"street legal" like there's some law preventing anyone from buying/building one.. 🤷👉👌
If you want some real horsepower check out the one inch drive version with the six inch anvil. Makes that thing look like a child's toy.
Ingersoll-Rand...such a legend on air powered tools alone and then this. Might just dream when I could get one because I know it's futile
The nascar torque gun is tuned most likely to not over torque the lugs... but to get them to spec immediately
Idk. Great video, but i'm not really a fan of the swap. I enjoyed the 5 lug pit stops. Seems like more of a challenge. I get that the uni-lug is faster, but watching put crews work was always hugely entertaining. F1 stops just aren't as fun.
Well, at least will still hear the Italian guns in the Xfinity and Truck series. Then when Nascar mandated that gun a few teams started playing around with the gasses and then Nascar had to regulate the gas.
I know IR was a NASCAR sponsor for decades before the Thunder Gun.
Anyone know what guns the crews used before the Thunder Gun?
I wonder why they didn't sell the real NASCAR version TG?
I get that they would not want to warranty it but I bet they could have sold a few even without a warranty.
Interesting that Formula 1 is also getting larger wheels, going from 13" to 18" this year. Have had single lugs forever, with guns powerful enough to rip your arm off (or strip the splines of the nut.)
Hi! please can you test impact pen driver? like
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Panasonic EZ7521
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i am realy ecided to see this.
Now we can't go to the race a play pit stop challenge. That was fun to watch people try to use a sort of pit gun.
that's un-American . . . the new setup . . . actually, everything about nascar has become un-American
phuq'em
U need work on ur editing. You cutting the last second of audio buy failing away
I'm not going to say anything anout my company but we get ingersol rand impacts for industrial applications all the time. The dealer rep knew I drive asphalt latemodels and that I go to races where we have live green flag pit stops so he gifted me 4 nascar pit guns and man it's so nice. I run two of them off of bottles with nitrogen in it so that way you can fill tires with nitrogen and run the guns off the compressed nitrogen bottles. My volunteer pit crew loved it we ran live pit stop practice in my driveway and we got it down to 15 seconds all 4 tires with wide 5 hubs. That self aligning socket we use makes huge difference so you don't gotta lift off the trigger
Looks like you should add the time-to-loosen to your tests.
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Idk what it is about that tool, but the idea of being used on racecars and just looking cool makes it so sexy.
Wow that pit gun looked violent when testing. Almost needed a 2nd grab point to help with wrist fatigue.
It is a bit violent, running it you would use your support hand around the body to guide it and help support the weight.
Just one of many ways NASCAR has ruined the sport. Woken and broken . Maybe you boys should learn to turn right.
Don't understand where you bought that version of it, I'm only getting the "street legal" version.
Stock car racing, how many cars have single nut? None! Why don’t they just race donks.
My coworker has a legit thunder gun, like straight from nascar, don't know how he got it but it's there and it's loud like deafening loud
Actually saddened that their going away from the US Ingersol to an italian product, and thats from an Australian
Just got a 232tgti, it's a titanium housing with a 7 vane motor, it sounds wicked. Wanna torque test it?
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Thank you
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
666 😱 Beware of The Thor!