Get one of the larger Holzforma / Farmertec saw powerheads like the 92cc G660, a direct clone of the Stihl MS660. Avoid the large 100+cc saws as they make torque, not RPM. There's plenty of aftermarket performance parts and data available for the Stihl MS660 should you want to push it further. Or if you just want to go full F N fuckin' nuts - Honda CR250 dirtbike motors are commonly used for open class hot-saws, but that might be a bit much for the impact mechanism...
I don't know if you should motor swap it, I think sending it off to a willing chainsaw shop to have it ported, open up the exhaust, and remove the governor would be a cool way to show how far the platform can go.
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I would like to suggest an engine swap for the railway impact gun. There is a 63.3cc earth auger/ post hole digger engine known as the 1e48f. It can be had for less than $200 shipped from many sources online, but id recommended staying away from the "Kasei" branded version as it has several epa imposed internal restrictions in place. It will bolt directly on without any fabrication or modification and uses the same size centrifugal clutch. I am a gas powered scooter hobbyist and I have tried several different engines trying to find the most beans. This engine will absolutely blow that one out of the water. The engine on your homemade gas impact is actually very common on pocket bikes, and it makes ok power but doesn't compare to the raw torque of the 1e48f engine. The engine that comes on the railway impact is very similar to the stock engine on most gas powered scooters and leaves a lot to be desired. I have also made several modifications to all of these engines and the 1e48f responds to them much better. I have a few videos on my channel of the modified 1e48f engine for reference. It is capable of doing burnouts with the riders weight on dry pavement, which is almost unheard of on gas powered scooters.
I worked in a hydraulic repair shop for about 4 years. I worked on a lot of railroad equipment that came in the door. One day they brought one of those gas-powered impact wrenches in along with several stanley track horse and hydraulic power units. The tool I worked on was a Mastec, not sure if it was a husqvarna clone or legit husqvarna but it was about 50cc and was a chainsaw with the gearbox bolted to the side instead of a bar and chain. I had a piece of rail with holes drilled in it in the floor we used to test repaired hydraulic impact wrenches and whatnot, I remember the socket used being about 2.5" and I almost stripped the threads out on that fine thread bolt and nut we used for testing with it. The unit you got seems pretty wimpy compared to the one I had worked on and tested.
I work on the railway and these things as powerful as they are will often be skipped for the hydraulic or electric impacts for a variety of reasons. They're extremely heavy for something you need to lug around all day. The gearboxes are actually quite fragile and break often. And they don't run very well when it's even slightly cold just to name a few. But sometimes on a frozen on bolt they're the only thing that will break it loose besides cutting it off.
Yeah I work on the railroad, though notably not as a railworker or maintainer, but I have noticed a move towards just using battery powered impacts. I more assumed it was for safety with being able to hear the radio or the fact they can charge extra batteries in the utility trucks.
There is probably a reason why it tops out. There is a spec on how tight the joint has to be, so that the bolt would not neck. And since the tool is made for one job only it's made idiot proof by making it top out at correct torque.
As a function of physics that doesn't strike me as plausible. There's a 41% gain between 5 sec and 10 sec, assuming the same gain on the 15 sec it should be ~1,550. The setup needs adjustment imo
I work as an construction engineer, in Finland and im specialized in railway technology building new railway bridges and connections to the state owned railway network of Finland, and our subcontractors always use these kinds of gasoline powered torque wrenches because usually when you are building railways, you are building on an existing network and your time constrains are absolutely brutal. For instance, southern Finland gets approximately 2 times a year +12 hour shifts when railway traffic is completely halted for building and repairing the network, during midsummer and a pre determined date early winter. So the machines and tools you are operating have to be able to work fast and long periods without maintenance, battery swapping etc it would be a logistical nightmare to deconstruct and reconstruct a kilometer of rail from their spring loaded sockets (not sure what it is in english) in the middle of a field where you cant drive a van to hold your batteries, or a place to recharge them, instead you can grab a can of gasoline and work the whole +12 hour shift no problem
Found the useless engineer with no actual hands on experience lol. Theres also no way in hell youre running trains worth any sort of a weight 24/7 and only doing maintenance twice a year. Its impossible with the amount of shit that can go wrong with a track, anything from sun kinks, track wash outs, broke track or joints, rotten or broken/missing ties, literally worn out track, broken track bolts, debris on the track, broken signal wires, the list goes on. But hey I guess finland is some fucking futuristic utopia where basic fucking common sense doesnt need to be found. No wonder the world hates Europeans. Also I have literally repaired these gas powered track bolters and they are a disaster to work on. The recoils get ripped off constantly. The anvil gets shattered, the exhausts fall off. The RAILROAD TRACK MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT company I worked for as a hd mechanic (not some fucking paper pushing engineer with an unscratched hard hat and clean safety vest) hated gas powered bolters and rail saws. I managed to convince them to abandon them infavour of rigging up the TFO up with an inverter and 2 batterie chargers, with the big milwaukee 1". Fk mixing gas, fk fixing ripped off recoils, fuck changing fouled plugs or draining the respective tanks of the wrong oil/gas, fuck warming the rig up for 5 mimutes before each job. You grab the milwaukee and a battery off the charger / storage rack, hammer the bolts and go. I fuckin hate engineers that talk out their ass rofl. None of his argument made sense. Its a logistical nightmare trying to get 50/50 2 stroke gas in the middle of the fucking mountains as opposed to buying a new battery maybe every year or two when one gets weak. I swear engineers talk just to hear them selves talk
hErE iN fInLaNd, you dont use a fucking bolter for 12 hours straight even on jointed track. Youd use a thunderbolter or something specifically for that, not a gas bolter
I work for signals at a railway but I sometimes work with the track guys. They mostly use the gas powered wrench for assembly but for disassembly they'll use hydraulics. Late last year they started getting into m18 wrenches which is good because it's a bit lighter and they don't have to mess around trying to start their gas powered wrench. The only problem is, the track sluggos forget to charge the batteries then its time to pull out the hydraulic hose again. It's always entertaining working with them. It's like a circus.
I work for the railway. Were starting to use only the Milwaukee impacts. They are awesome. We can charge batteries in the truck and they are more then enough power
We used those Makitas on wind turbines for the giant bearing flanges that sit around their main shaft. I was always impressed by how much power those things had and it was always a sad day when we had to break those bolts out by hand (a giant fuckoff breaker bar) when somebody inevitably forgot to charge it the night before.
I work on a railway. About 2.5 years ago we swapped out the 2 stroke impact (just like in the vid) for a 3/4 Makita. I'd never go back. I certainly certainly don't miss carrying the heavy old beast up the line. To us the Makita feels more powerful, it certainly gets the job done easier and quicker.
I was never impressed with the 2 stroke impacts. They are expensive and the gearboxes are rather fragile for something made for railroad use. I've tossed 4 or 5 of them in the dumpster over the years, due to failed gearboxes. They just weren't cost effective to repair. We use the Milwaukee 1" drives now, but I'd be very interested in seeing the Makitas work. They seem to be smaller and lighter. Might be a very viable option.
As a truck mechanic, we just used a 3/4 drive Ingersoll Rand air impact gun in our breakdown trucks. The trucks were fitted out with diesel-powered air compressors already, so it was very convenient.
@@Folsomdsf2 most truck compressors are about 10 cfm at high rpm, with a 25% duty cycle. A good 3/4 impact is 14 + cfm. You'll get a few ugga duggas, then a smoke break.
I have no need for these products or this knowledge and yet here I am. I also like how the comments are full of people who do have a need for these products and this knowledge. I love how there are communities for everything on TH-cam. Like rooms in a hotel with different themes.
Edit: I'd love. To see Stihl step into the two-stroke impact game. They make some fantastic small engines. I was told by a railroad engineer that the square heads are there so nobody can come in and steal the nuts for scrap and cause a derailment. Not that most people have a tool that can remove them, but they didn't take any chances back in the day. I imagine they are cheaper to manufacture as well since you can have no waste in casting aside from the center. Then again, they may be forged steel rather than cast steel for strength.
They're extremely underwhelming. Marketing hype as per usual from Elon. Can get the same weed burner from Harbor Freight for $28, just not in gun form.
Contact Dyno Joe... He is a wizard of two strokes.. A fantastic porter. A collab may get you both some bonus clicks. You may not need a motor swap. He often gets 20-40% more peak hp and can move the torque curve/hp curve as needed. His actual dyno is modified to work with chainsaw sprockets, but luckily you all have a way to measure beanage..
It's not a pissing match. I was just throwing out a guy who knows things AND has a way of measuring it. There are a billion two smoke porters and builders. I'm sure many of them are good.
As someone that uses tool very similar to this, the Airtec Master 35. The big advantage of using the gas gun is that they will beat on a bolt until the tank is empty. While a battery gun will beat for about 30 seconds or so then the battery will either be drained or overheat. And of course you can just refuel when the tank runs out. Quite a bit more time efficient than having batteries that needs to be recharged. The gas guns also have the length to be comfortable using standing up screwing tie screws all day. With most of the weight being in the hammer mechanism it's very intuitive to use. The hammers and anvils are also very well greased and last for years and years. Something that the milwaukee I have a sneaking suspicion won't in the hard work environment that the railroad is. The handle, at least on the Master 35 is quite well vibration dampened which is a big deal. The milwaukee 1 inchers kick the wrist very hard every time your pull the trigger.
I’ve only ever seen Lewis screws hammered back in at crossings, never realized they use these for those 😂 however saying that I’m only a mechanic on the crew
@@lost4468yt I have the new 1 inch pistol handle milwaukee. They don't last 30 seconds in regular use but if you have it on full power and beat on a tie screw that is stuck stuck in something like an old oak tie it drains real quick. I think it does some sort of overheat protection.
@@Magic_pancake355 I don't know how it's done in the US but here in Sweden we absolutely use these to screw all the screws down. Hammering in the screws is a emergency measure when the tie is already ruined and you just need that shit back together.
@@minecraftbers Milwaukee's do have overheat protection so they dont burn themselves up like some harbor freight cordless impacts will. Though from my experience milwaukee drills and impacts take a lot longer than 30 seconds to overheat. Though the task I was doing as a bit different. Trying to drill through a 12 inch cinderblock wall with a dull concrete bit and our boss was too cheap to go get a new bit.
Ok so I had watched this and was talking to our MOW superintendent about the Milwaukee and oddly enough they had just bought us 4 of them to replace our aging Racine and Geismars. I was very interested in seeing how they'd perform on trackbolts that were about 50ish years old and it works like a dream. I don't miss my gas one at all. Got it with 2 12ah batteries and it easily gets me though my shift gunning bolts with one remaining on the charger in the tillbox. Still doesn't beat a hydro unit, but I like it a lot. Much easier to carry just tighten and go. I did pick up a strap for the ring though for slinging over the shoulder if we are doing a bunch in a section.
I have no idea why I haven't watched more of your videos. This is the EXACT information my "high end" customers ask for, as I work at a tool store. They tend to compare to Milwaukee - and I have one particular heavy machinery and semi truck mobile tech that will absolutely buy this Railway Gun. He has been looking for a "cordless 1/2" or 1" drive impact gun that can work for a few hours at a time. The only solution I have is selling a lot.... a LOT of batteries. Now I'll sell him a 5 gallon Jerry Can and some oil along with a strong recommendation to look into these types of guns. If I don't have it in my store, I will absolutely recommend the proper tool. I may lose a sale, but I gain a customer that trusts my advice. (And GO FOR THE GHOST! With the performance kit if you can figure it. Shoot me a message and I may, just may, be able to help you out on that cost.)
@@tessierrr and he's also more likely to be able to get the electrical impact serviced if something happens. who knows how he would get that gas powered impact serviced if something went wrong.
You know how to build loyal customers. Anytime someone seriously invested in a company recommends I go elsewhere for my needs I know that I WILL return for future needs. Anyone who spends real money on their tools values not being jerked around. Reliable advice is valuable.
Couple things: First, electrics have the advantage of 100% of torque available the moment you press the trigger, whereas the gas needs rpms to build first. My suggestion is bore it out, raise compression, bigger carb, and play around with the centrifugal clutch to optimize engagement rpm's.
@@jasonbourne1596 buying replacement batteries is still cheaper than 3600 dollars tho, and carrying five of them is still probably lighter than 45 pounds ngl
@@jasonbourne1596 I’m so tired of kids thinking electricity is the magic solution to gas powered machines with our current technology. Honestly exhausting
"Today we got a rusty railway impact with the big 4-8. Even impact wrenches aren't safe from broken exhaust manifold studs it seems" ~Comes back covered in fluid film
that railway rattler reminds me of the spline drive IR air impacts I used as an apprentice ironworker bolting up a powerhouse. we had one in particular I could barely handle with the air hose on, but it would rattle 1 3/8" bolts to spec in a few seconds.
Yeah, they didn't compare to a "standard" shop air tool. Also the 18 wheeler road side tire guys take a "standard" shop air tool + a compressor with them to the job.
Whoa!! I just moved back to Illinois from living in Racine for a few years(where this tool is based). I always love seeing things used that come from there. There is so much made in Milwaukee/Racine/Kenosha. Love it!
A couple of scenarios for the stock engine: first, try a 40 or 50:1 fuel to oil mixture, second a little nitromethane never hurts and consider a tuned pipe for maxing out a 2-stroke.
not familiar with 2 strokes, can you port and bore them out like a car engine? i really hope they hotrod the shit out of this thing and send it to the moon
Now that you are getting into the upper end of professional impacts, I suggest that you consider a hydraulic powered impact next. Also, have you considered what it would take to properly test the Ingersoll-Rand 2-1/2" drive impact. Supposedly rated for 50,000 ft.-lbs. We have one where I work. It requires two, 1" air lines connected.
One of the main cool things about ICE tools like this is you can hotrod them! Cordless tools, every says "throw a $250 battery on it!" for like 15 extra ft-lbs. Engines, the skies the limit often for less money (until it turns into confetti at WOT of course).
@@TorqueTestChannel I remember I had a battery powered train C-Cells in the coal car with a barrel jack connection to power the motor. If you used a power brick that plugged into the wall that thing could really move. Should be possible to get more out of the electric impacts with a better power source. Just run it directly of a portable generator and bypass the battery? Possible perhaps.
Another thing to consider is the max torque that's allowed on the railway. Having had to order similar stuff for my work you by them because they make the right torque all the time, and they work come what may. The last thing you want on a railway is for the rail a bolt / rail to crack.
We use impact wrenches like this to install and remove lugnuts on semi wheels as well, only air driven instead of gas, though they’re still around the same size and powered at very high PSI.
That through hole in the side of the socket is for inserting a retaining pin which goes all the way through the matching hole on the square drive of the impact. A heavy duty rubber band/o-ring then fits in the groove around the sockets perimeter to hold the pin in place. That way the socket doesn’t fall off.
This is wise. I frequently deal with the sockets flying off the 1" D-handle pneumatics and those 2.5" - 3" sockets have a lot of mass and energy when they come flying off! Removing yoke bolts from a diesel driveline needs serious power. But using those guns when you're scrunched up between the differentials is scary business.
@@keamu8580 Crank pulley bolts on fire truck engines are fun too.. ever hooked up a torque multiplier to a torque multiplier to a 6 ft breaker bar? When something finally gives it’s like a grenade blast!
@@beerggls When we want a grenade blast, we use ether to bead up the 24.5" tires. Probably the most dangerous thing we deal with is stabbing the transmissions and differential cores, and changing brake drums, lots of chances to lose fingers or toes. Sure there's occasionally a motor mount bolt that needs 2 or 3 guys working a cheater pipe on a breaker bar and another guy hitting the nut with acetylene, but that's rust for you. We haven't really worked with any super plus size engines, heavy mining equipment, etc.
On this same genre, there are alot of gas powered post drivers and jack hammers on ebay/amazon. Or the chinesium electric jackhammers. It would be interesting to go down this rabbit hole because normal people like me that need a jackhammer cant justify a name brand pricetag. Love the video!
I got a video of the gas post hole driver does well just big and bulky. I use it to drive through hard Missouri clay with rocks. Yes this is an eBay special
@@1pcfred Petrol breakers are surprisingly competent, I've got a 50lb and it's plenty serviceable on the rock around my property. These days, if you need more than a 60, you're gonna use an excavator mounted hydraulic.
The engine doesn't need to be swapped, it's the drive. There is 'more' available in the engine, but you'll need to replace everything mounted to it as well.
1st step: Pull open the spark arrestor and gut it, then adjust jetting a bit richer. It would be interesting to do modifications to the OEM engine first. :)
@@ferrumignis I don't disagree, but this mod is fast, easy and free. An expansion chamber would definitely help out and look, sound and everything badass. 👍🏼
for the Railway torque gun, what it really needs is some sort of mechanism to allow the hammer to switch between hitting on every revolution and hitting after allowing a certain number of revolutions. so it can hit every revolution for the initial torque setting, but can also be switched to give the hammer a longer spool up once torque load gets higher.
Been in the rail industry for 27 years. Those things have gone along way to screwing up my back!!! 😂 We've seen a few new inovations last few years in regards to putting them on the scrap heap but we always come beck to them. I guess there must be good reason.
I literally just spent 3 hours binge watching you drive nuts into a test bench...subscribed, and well done. Like a younger, more relatable, version of Project Farm...also, thank you for the new synonym for power I will be using far too often now!
It will be made to stay below a certain NM for a reason. My guess is it's to do with the load a train and the fixing used. Won't be much good if it tightens the bolts/nuts to the point it weakens or breaks them causing a derailment or higher maintenance cost. More torque isn't always a good thing
It’s not just torque that’s important - it’s long term durability, and long term power. Need the gas to run up and down rail all day and you need the girth to use it for years without it breaking
Rc airplane engines are very high output for the weight. Also come in a variety of sizes. But I'm sure a tuned chainsaw engine would work great and probably be easier to setup
Work on the railway in the uk and we've just some new battery versions of this tool at are depot, would love to see how it would compare, maybe there's a similar thing over in the US, this is the model we have Cembre NR-25B.
Electric motors have a lot of torque but this is probably limited by other factors than the motor tbh. In theory your cembre can deliver almost 2000ft lbs(it doesn't). A simple look at the actual gearbox shows it caps out at 1300 in operation which is probably a design limitation to avoid causing damage to bolts.
Y'all atleast nailed the explanation well. its made for a purpose, and that is a work horse that you can use all day long. In the work sector, it would make more sense to carry a few gas containers than to carry 10 batteries. Plus with how hard these things have to work, those batteries would get heavily abused with such quick turn around times on charging and discharge.
I know it would be a longshot, but I would love to see a LiquidPiston X-Mini engine hooked up to that thing, possibly as a collaboration. The power/weight the X-mini claims is impressive and would be well suited to a handheld tool such as this.
Yeah that'd be really cool. Although getting your hands on one right now would run you $30k since they only "sell" the dev kits right now. Quite a bit of money for such a small engine.
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It's possible the gearbox is set at a specific speed as well, even if you put a bigger engine on it, you might not get more speed. Maybe not, but something to consider :D
Keep that engine and tune it up with a carb and exhaust Recheck Then do an engine swap from a big bore chainsaw…. That way you keep the high rpm A low speed 4 stroke probably wouldn’t be all that great
Nothing will ever beat the milwaukee electric for us, not having mess around trying to get a pos gas impact started up while its pouring rain, ends up flooding, etc. keep extra batteries in the truck, no mixing gas, have had the milwaukee sit out in pouring rain, freezing snow, hasn't failed us yet, all for half the price of a gas impact.
The 1 inch drive, hydraulic impact the USMC LVS truck (wrecker version) has is powered by a positive displacement hydraulic pump directly driven by the trucks 8V92 Detroit Diesel. Most powerful 1” drive impact I’ve ever seen.
This is the first video I’ve seen on your channel. Kinda cool that you test this stuff. Stick the front end of the Racine impact on the engine of an open class racing chainsaw. One of the monsters they use for lumberjack games.
The railway gun is designed to do 12 hour days, with time off for refueling. I have used one of these on many occasions, and they are what is known as 'Fit for purpose'.
I know you said you wanted to keep it portable, but after you modify it the first time in a still-portable way, I think you should hook it up to a V8 on a test stand. 400HP impact wrench
Rather than going with batteries, or with a small gas engine: What if you instead tested the Racine with a larger, beefier electric motor? A 5000 watt portable generator could be used to supply the necessary power via a 30 Amp power cable.
I think he was trying to test these "out of the box" to mimic "real world" on the job experiences with these tools, rather than test them with modifications.
As a heavy equipment mechanic, I was very skeptical of the Milwaukee 1” impact. I thought it would tighten some lugs and drop off substantially over the course of 4 or 5 wheels. After doing two full trailers with 16 wheels per trailer the damn thing did the job. We took a torque wrench and checked every wheel to make sure and I ate my words. Milwaukee is the best in my book.
I suspect this test would be different after the electric gun its been running and got HOT. I bet the gas gun would just keep thumping. Maybe test them both after sitting in the sun for a while?
And the gas gun would be susceptible to bad gas or a bad mix. Because we all know small 2 stroke engines are not temperamental at all 😂. But you shouldn't put one gun at a detriment just to make the other shine. Whether dinosaur ugga duggas or angry pixie ugh duggas, they both have their places, and one won't really replace the other in their designed roles.
I did an internship at a historic railway spent the day using a bance, although I still wake up in sweats at a tool they called plan B (loved the pun) a 10m long light gauge railway beam, opporated by 5 men, It topped out at roughly well over 20000 Nm. in included an end wrapped in rubber tires which 2 people hung on while 1 person rung it like a bell, as the other who used wooded posts to brace it onto the joint bolt.
Shop just got the Milwaukee cordless for road calls changing tires on our 18 wheelers. They tell me it works like a boss and will do 2 complete trailers on one battery. They keep one charging in the vehicle while using the other. The gas gun is good for what you said, gallon of gas and use all day far from an electrical outlet
The MS500i is pretty awesome too. It's fuel injected so its throttle response is great. That's really saying something in the chainsaw world where keeping the chain speed high is the name of the game.
John Henry didn't need one of those fancy contraptions. Also this begs the question, how exactly did RR workers put all that together back then?? They only had hand tools. T Rex's helped them out?
I have a 5/8 drill motor powered by a small 2cycle engine. I use it to start kart engines.(KT-135 Yamaha kart engines.) It's motor is made by Kioritz, I think that is the company. Basically a weed eater powered drill motor. I've had it for years, runs good.
Just me, a dude from Racine, browsing TH-cam, finding this channel, and discovering that they make huge impact wrenches about 10 minutes from my house!
We have the Milwaukee. They are great. Light and easy to use. And we have hydraulic impact to use. The hydraulic is stouter but when we are replacing track. In my current job. We don’t care about the old bolts and usually cut them with the torch. Have not seen a gas torque in action. Interesting for sure glad I don’t have to lug it around tho
Open exhaust up a little , the ports will be small within the muffler itself. Also open L jet slightly , it will be tuned for emissions . If you open out the muffler , 1/2 turn or so should do it. It'll be louder slightly but create more go . It will also allow more top end. H jet about 1/4 turn out will suffice . From a few years working on chainsaws experience
Another two points: 1: The gas is well gas takes 10-20 seconds to fill vs the 5-6 hrs to charge from flat to full charge 2: The 1100 foot lbs is continuous throughout the gas tank versus the torque fall off as the battery discharges over use All in al as you said use is the main factor but if i could afford it I'd rather have the gas one to carry around in my truck
Suzuki RGV25 2 stroke, i saw one on a dyno hit 55horsepers. A complete VJ21 engine in the garage - it has carbs, alternator, etc etc etc and a couple of hoses, including alternator weighs 32kg no oil, which is 70lbs in old money.
Probably been said but a good thing with the petrol engine is consistent power every time until the tank is empty whereas a battery will always lose power with use .
Flame throwers are a novelty sir,my god,figuring out coil guns ,3D print and air guns are some of the best things you can do at or get shipped alright to your house.
well if u use a 100cc yamaha bush cutter engine itl bolt up to that 4 bolt pattern also you could fitt a rc expansion chamber and silencer exhaust 14hp at 11000rpm
I've used the racine and milwaukee on the railroad. You should get the hydraulic 10gpm Stanley Infastructure hydraulic impact. The hydraulic Stanleys can out torque anything I've used.
If you are considering the predator 212 ghost, i would suggest looking at the 224cc max performance predator as well. It is a 212 with a stroke kit as far as i can tell. 224 makes considerably more torque that a normal 212, unsure compared to the ghost 212.
that Milwaukee works good for truck tires but gets tired really fast, it was nice when we had our on board compressor go down on the service truck and still needed to do roadside tire changes.
Subscribe or we'll weed whacker swap this thing!
Edit: We Chainsaw swapped it! th-cam.com/video/4K4DqAnbRsQ/w-d-xo.html
Have you ever tested a hydraulic HyTorq? We used them in a mining company to tighten crusher nuts.
@@TheRoadhammer379 They only work in forward though :(
How about an OBR 57cc twin cylinder. Or a Taylor rc 88.
Get one of the larger Holzforma / Farmertec saw powerheads like the 92cc G660, a direct clone of the Stihl MS660.
Avoid the large 100+cc saws as they make torque, not RPM.
There's plenty of aftermarket performance parts and data available for the Stihl MS660 should you want to push it further.
Or if you just want to go full F N fuckin' nuts - Honda CR250 dirtbike motors are commonly used for open class hot-saws, but that might be a bit much for the impact mechanism...
@@TorqueTestChannel The ones I've used you can flip the guts over to loosen. They are expensive though. I believe you can rent.
I don't know if you should motor swap it, I think sending it off to a willing chainsaw shop to have it ported, open up the exhaust, and remove the governor would be a cool way to show how far the platform can go.
That was my 1st thought. But it IS just 46.5cc, our 1/2" milwaukee is 60cc. My caveman brain just takes over
@@TorqueTestChannel cc's dont mean power. 50cc in mopeds in the netherlands make 20hp+ it's all in the tuning. Pipe and flow
I agree get the most out of that motor before you ditch it, my 30cc chainsaw woke up from just opening the exhaust a tiny bit
As a certified stihl mechanic, that wont really help as much as you think
They also most likely use a standard piston so you might be able to get a big bore kit and port that jug and keep the stock one
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All good things. Dig all your videos and appreciate the work.
My dog says you’re welcome!
I would like to suggest an engine swap for the railway impact gun. There is a 63.3cc earth auger/ post hole digger engine known as the 1e48f. It can be had for less than $200 shipped from many sources online, but id recommended staying away from the "Kasei" branded version as it has several epa imposed internal restrictions in place. It will bolt directly on without any fabrication or modification and uses the same size centrifugal clutch. I am a gas powered scooter hobbyist and I have tried several different engines trying to find the most beans. This engine will absolutely blow that one out of the water. The engine on your homemade gas impact is actually very common on pocket bikes, and it makes ok power but doesn't compare to the raw torque of the 1e48f engine. The engine that comes on the railway impact is very similar to the stock engine on most gas powered scooters and leaves a lot to be desired. I have also made several modifications to all of these engines and the 1e48f responds to them much better. I have a few videos on my channel of the modified 1e48f engine for reference. It is capable of doing burnouts with the riders weight on dry pavement, which is almost unheard of on gas powered scooters.
This guy, he sounds like he knows his shit.
I'll second whatever you just said because that gibberish sounds accurate and fun.
knowledge is power
They dont rly need torque , they need rpm
@@robivlahov ok, well they can change the gearing then. More torque will drive higher gear ratios.
I worked in a hydraulic repair shop for about 4 years. I worked on a lot of railroad equipment that came in the door. One day they brought one of those gas-powered impact wrenches in along with several stanley track horse and hydraulic power units. The tool I worked on was a Mastec, not sure if it was a husqvarna clone or legit husqvarna but it was about 50cc and was a chainsaw with the gearbox bolted to the side instead of a bar and chain. I had a piece of rail with holes drilled in it in the floor we used to test repaired hydraulic impact wrenches and whatnot, I remember the socket used being about 2.5" and I almost stripped the threads out on that fine thread bolt and nut we used for testing with it. The unit you got seems pretty wimpy compared to the one I had worked on and tested.
I work on the railway and these things as powerful as they are will often be skipped for the hydraulic or electric impacts for a variety of reasons. They're extremely heavy for something you need to lug around all day. The gearboxes are actually quite fragile and break often. And they don't run very well when it's even slightly cold just to name a few. But sometimes on a frozen on bolt they're the only thing that will break it loose besides cutting it off.
Yeah I work on the railroad, though notably not as a railworker or maintainer, but I have noticed a move towards just using battery powered impacts. I more assumed it was for safety with being able to hear the radio or the fact they can charge extra batteries in the utility trucks.
There is probably a reason why it tops out. There is a spec on how tight the joint has to be, so that the bolt would not neck.
And since the tool is made for one job only it's made idiot proof by making it top out at correct torque.
Sounds plausible, but only for tightening not loosening.
As a function of physics that doesn't strike me as plausible. There's a 41% gain between 5 sec and 10 sec, assuming the same gain on the 15 sec it should be ~1,550. The setup needs adjustment imo
If idiot proofing is even possible, some one is alway s willing to Tim Taylorize things!
The whole tool looks like it was built with the 300lb gorilla in mind tbh, make it bomb proof and do one thing for a long time, it's a good model.
@@jttech44 It better does given the price. 3600$ really is a lot for such a simple tool imho, even for a professional one.
I work as an construction engineer, in Finland and im specialized in railway technology building new railway bridges and connections to the state owned railway network of Finland, and our subcontractors always use these kinds of gasoline powered torque wrenches because usually when you are building railways, you are building on an existing network and your time constrains are absolutely brutal. For instance, southern Finland gets approximately 2 times a year +12 hour shifts when railway traffic is completely halted for building and repairing the network, during midsummer and a pre determined date early winter. So the machines and tools you are operating have to be able to work fast and long periods without maintenance, battery swapping etc
it would be a logistical nightmare to deconstruct and reconstruct a kilometer of rail from their spring loaded sockets (not sure what it is in english) in the middle of a field where you cant drive a van to hold your batteries, or a place to recharge them, instead you can grab a can of gasoline and work the whole +12 hour shift no problem
Found the useless engineer with no actual hands on experience lol. Theres also no way in hell youre running trains worth any sort of a weight 24/7 and only doing maintenance twice a year. Its impossible with the amount of shit that can go wrong with a track, anything from sun kinks, track wash outs, broke track or joints, rotten or broken/missing ties, literally worn out track, broken track bolts, debris on the track, broken signal wires, the list goes on. But hey I guess finland is some fucking futuristic utopia where basic fucking common sense doesnt need to be found. No wonder the world hates Europeans.
Also I have literally repaired these gas powered track bolters and they are a disaster to work on. The recoils get ripped off constantly. The anvil gets shattered, the exhausts fall off.
The RAILROAD TRACK MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT company I worked for as a hd mechanic (not some fucking paper pushing engineer with an unscratched hard hat and clean safety vest) hated gas powered bolters and rail saws. I managed to convince them to abandon them infavour of rigging up the TFO up with an inverter and 2 batterie chargers, with the big milwaukee 1". Fk mixing gas, fk fixing ripped off recoils, fuck changing fouled plugs or draining the respective tanks of the wrong oil/gas, fuck warming the rig up for 5 mimutes before each job. You grab the milwaukee and a battery off the charger / storage rack, hammer the bolts and go.
I fuckin hate engineers that talk out their ass rofl. None of his argument made sense. Its a logistical nightmare trying to get 50/50 2 stroke gas in the middle of the fucking mountains as opposed to buying a new battery maybe every year or two when one gets weak.
I swear engineers talk just to hear them selves talk
hErE iN fInLaNd, you dont use a fucking bolter for 12 hours straight even on jointed track. Youd use a thunderbolter or something specifically for that, not a gas bolter
You dont even know what fuel this takes. Its not "a can of gas"
@@AbsurdlyIncredible lmao you seem mad about something
@@AbsurdlyIncredible the mans english isnt that good so give him a lil break
I work for signals at a railway but I sometimes work with the track guys. They mostly use the gas powered wrench for assembly but for disassembly they'll use hydraulics. Late last year they started getting into m18 wrenches which is good because it's a bit lighter and they don't have to mess around trying to start their gas powered wrench. The only problem is, the track sluggos forget to charge the batteries then its time to pull out the hydraulic hose again. It's always entertaining working with them. It's like a circus.
Just as long as you're not the pivot in that circus jerk :)
I work for the railway. Were starting to use only the Milwaukee impacts. They are awesome. We can charge batteries in the truck and they are more then enough power
We used those Makitas on wind turbines for the giant bearing flanges that sit around their main shaft. I was always impressed by how much power those things had and it was always a sad day when we had to break those bolts out by hand (a giant fuckoff breaker bar) when somebody inevitably forgot to charge it the night before.
I work on a railway. About 2.5 years ago we swapped out the 2 stroke impact (just like in the vid) for a 3/4 Makita. I'd never go back. I certainly certainly don't miss carrying the heavy old beast up the line. To us the Makita feels more powerful, it certainly gets the job done easier and quicker.
What Makita exactly are you using now, might suggest it at work cos the 2strokes we have suck ass
@@DaSpineLessFish the 3/4 one in the end line-up of the video
I was never impressed with the 2 stroke impacts. They are expensive and the gearboxes are rather fragile for something made for railroad use. I've tossed 4 or 5 of them in the dumpster over the years, due to failed gearboxes. They just weren't cost effective to repair.
We use the Milwaukee 1" drives now, but I'd be very interested in seeing the Makitas work. They seem to be smaller and lighter. Might be a very viable option.
@@evanmarvel8064 cheers mate
I think thats the impact gun these quick lube shops use to really seal up these pesky oil drain plugs...
That's why they stock up on shmoo leak and smear it all over your drain plug.
I winced when I saw impact gun and oil drain plug in the same sentence
But it's only $19.95 and 8 minutes of your valuable time! "You bring in car, we have fun, no??"
Especially on the 3406/C15 Cat engines.
As a truck mechanic, we just used a 3/4 drive Ingersoll Rand air impact gun in our breakdown trucks. The trucks were fitted out with diesel-powered air compressors already, so it was very convenient.
Most tools will happily run on the air supply on a wrecker and the truck as well.
Yeah, 3/4 is pretty accessible, light and easy to use, even just Milwaukee mid torque ones aren’t slouches in a heavy industrial setting.
@@Folsomdsf2 for a few seconds a minute.
@@randymagnum143 Most wreckers have a decent size tank and an air compressor to run air tools.
@@Folsomdsf2 most truck compressors are about 10 cfm at high rpm, with a 25% duty cycle. A good 3/4 impact is 14 + cfm. You'll get a few ugga duggas, then a smoke break.
I have no need for these products or this knowledge and yet here I am. I also like how the comments are full of people who do have a need for these products and this knowledge. I love how there are communities for everything on TH-cam. Like rooms in a hotel with different themes.
Yes, those rooms can be valuable resources at times.
Edit: I'd love. To see Stihl step into the two-stroke impact game. They make some fantastic small engines.
I was told by a railroad engineer that the square heads are there so nobody can come in and steal the nuts for scrap and cause a derailment. Not that most people have a tool that can remove them, but they didn't take any chances back in the day. I imagine they are cheaper to manufacture as well since you can have no waste in casting aside from the center. Then again, they may be forged steel rather than cast steel for strength.
A flamethrower isn't a loophole, it's a vital agriculture device.
Edit: spelled word wrong
Well call me a agriculturalist then ~adds to cart~
"Only YOU can prevent wildfires".
A sorely missed statement in the western US.
They're extremely underwhelming. Marketing hype as per usual from Elon. Can get the same weed burner from Harbor Freight for $28, just not in gun form.
Are the back-back variety kerosene style spray 40 feet then ignite variety legal? Asking... for a friend
@@TorqueTestChannel in most states yes it is. if you live in California or Maryland no it's not.
Contact Dyno Joe... He is a wizard of two strokes.. A fantastic porter. A collab may get you both some bonus clicks. You may not need a motor swap. He often gets 20-40% more peak hp and can move the torque curve/hp curve as needed. His actual dyno is modified to work with chainsaw sprockets, but luckily you all have a way to measure beanage..
or Grind Hard Plumbing Co. That'd be pretty cool. They make some gnarly stuff in a well equipped shop.
twostrokestuffings is the one he should collaborate with
@@Arcticpagan No, just no....that guy cant keep his stuff running for more than a few seconds after YEARS of work.
@@Two-StrokeLife that's what happen when you innovate 😅 go look at his old content he definitely knows what he does.
It's not a pissing match. I was just throwing out a guy who knows things AND has a way of measuring it. There are a billion two smoke porters and builders. I'm sure many of them are good.
As someone that uses tool very similar to this, the Airtec Master 35. The big advantage of using the gas gun is that they will beat on a bolt until the tank is empty. While a battery gun will beat for about 30 seconds or so then the battery will either be drained or overheat. And of course you can just refuel when the tank runs out. Quite a bit more time efficient than having batteries that needs to be recharged.
The gas guns also have the length to be comfortable using standing up screwing tie screws all day. With most of the weight being in the hammer mechanism it's very intuitive to use. The hammers and anvils are also very well greased and last for years and years. Something that the milwaukee I have a sneaking suspicion won't in the hard work environment that the railroad is. The handle, at least on the Master 35 is quite well vibration dampened which is a big deal. The milwaukee 1 inchers kick the wrist very hard every time your pull the trigger.
I’ve only ever seen Lewis screws hammered back in at crossings, never realized they use these for those 😂 however saying that I’m only a mechanic on the crew
Jesus what impact do you have that a battery lasts 30 seconds? Modern impacts last a very long time on a full battery.
@@lost4468yt I have the new 1 inch pistol handle milwaukee. They don't last 30 seconds in regular use but if you have it on full power and beat on a tie screw that is stuck stuck in something like an old oak tie it drains real quick. I think it does some sort of overheat protection.
@@Magic_pancake355 I don't know how it's done in the US but here in Sweden we absolutely use these to screw all the screws down. Hammering in the screws is a emergency measure when the tie is already ruined and you just need that shit back together.
@@minecraftbers Milwaukee's do have overheat protection so they dont burn themselves up like some harbor freight cordless impacts will. Though from my experience milwaukee drills and impacts take a lot longer than 30 seconds to overheat. Though the task I was doing as a bit different. Trying to drill through a 12 inch cinderblock wall with a dull concrete bit and our boss was too cheap to go get a new bit.
Ok so I had watched this and was talking to our MOW superintendent about the Milwaukee and oddly enough they had just bought us 4 of them to replace our aging Racine and Geismars. I was very interested in seeing how they'd perform on trackbolts that were about 50ish years old and it works like a dream. I don't miss my gas one at all. Got it with 2 12ah batteries and it easily gets me though my shift gunning bolts with one remaining on the charger in the tillbox.
Still doesn't beat a hydro unit, but I like it a lot. Much easier to carry just tighten and go. I did pick up a strap for the ring though for slinging over the shoulder if we are doing a bunch in a section.
I'd love to see a rotary swap for this gas powered impact
I was thinking the same, but they want to hold it in one hand, maybe 2. I doubt this is a practical build. Great idea, though 😈
No way....
A Dorito engine doesn't make anywhere near the torque of a piston engine. 👎
This thing needs TORQUE, not RPM's..
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@@RexinOridlebeat me to it. Only by 4 months.
v8 swap pussy
I have no idea why I haven't watched more of your videos. This is the EXACT information my "high end" customers ask for, as I work at a tool store. They tend to compare to Milwaukee - and I have one particular heavy machinery and semi truck mobile tech that will absolutely buy this Railway Gun. He has been looking for a "cordless 1/2" or 1" drive impact gun that can work for a few hours at a time. The only solution I have is selling a lot.... a LOT of batteries. Now I'll sell him a 5 gallon Jerry Can and some oil along with a strong recommendation to look into these types of guns. If I don't have it in my store, I will absolutely recommend the proper tool. I may lose a sale, but I gain a customer that trusts my advice. (And GO FOR THE GHOST! With the performance kit if you can figure it. Shoot me a message and I may, just may, be able to help you out on that cost.)
For 3600$ you can get a shit load of batteries 😅
@@tessierrr and he's also more likely to be able to get the electrical impact serviced if something happens. who knows how he would get that gas powered impact serviced if something went wrong.
@@smurfx motor wise any small engine repair and they can prolly handle the hammer assembly as well.
@@smurfx literally anybody who services chainsaws or weed whackers can service this thing.
You know how to build loyal customers. Anytime someone seriously invested in a company recommends I go elsewhere for my needs I know that I WILL return for future needs. Anyone who spends real money on their tools values not being jerked around. Reliable advice is valuable.
Couple things: First, electrics have the advantage of 100% of torque available the moment you press the trigger, whereas the gas needs rpms to build first. My suggestion is bore it out, raise compression, bigger carb, and play around with the centrifugal clutch to optimize engagement rpm's.
fuck it, slap a snail on
Bo need, it will beat the electric one after the first half hour, because it will be dead battery time.
@@jasonbourne1596 buying replacement batteries is still cheaper than 3600 dollars tho, and carrying five of them is still probably lighter than 45 pounds ngl
@@Hold3n916 I don't think 6 batteries will last even 3 hours, much less a 12 hour work day that's probably happening a lot.
@@jasonbourne1596 I’m so tired of kids thinking electricity is the magic solution to gas powered machines with our current technology. Honestly exhausting
gotta say.... I'm a little disappointed. Please make this thing as awesome as I hoped it would be. Oh and yes LS swap it bruh....
"Today we got a rusty railway impact with the big 4-8. Even impact wrenches aren't safe from broken exhaust manifold studs it seems" ~Comes back covered in fluid film
@@TorqueTestChannel 🐑😂
Don't worry. We'll supe her up with brake kleen and few tricks from mee-maw :p
that railway rattler reminds me of the spline drive IR air impacts I used as an apprentice ironworker bolting up a powerhouse. we had one in particular I could barely handle with the air hose on, but it would rattle 1 3/8" bolts to spec in a few seconds.
Yeah, they didn't compare to a "standard" shop air tool. Also the 18 wheeler road side tire guys take a "standard" shop air tool + a compressor with them to the job.
Whoa!! I just moved back to Illinois from living in Racine for a few years(where this tool is based). I always love seeing things used that come from there. There is so much made in Milwaukee/Racine/Kenosha. Love it!
A couple of scenarios for the stock engine: first, try a 40 or 50:1 fuel to oil mixture, second a little nitromethane never hurts and consider a tuned pipe for maxing out a 2-stroke.
not familiar with 2 strokes, can you port and bore them out like a car engine? i really hope they hotrod the shit out of this thing and send it to the moon
Haha! I was about to suggest a spicier fuel as well
Now that you are getting into the upper end of professional impacts, I suggest that you consider a hydraulic powered impact next. Also, have you considered what it would take to properly test the Ingersoll-Rand 2-1/2" drive impact. Supposedly rated for 50,000 ft.-lbs. We have one where I work. It requires two, 1" air lines connected.
$36k, think he's gonna need a few more subscribers for that.
Do you work in the mining industry? I work in heavy industry and I've only heard stories about those huge IR impacts, never seen one in person.
@@NP-rh3dt They gotta put the nuts on those dump truck wheels somehow
@@NP-rh3dt Could be off-shore windturbines screwed to their bases, or electricity pylons.
I hope you have all the adapters so you can go down to a 1/4 drive 3/16 socket.
"Let's figure out how to 'Juice it up'".
That brought a smile to my face.
Let's make it the Hulk Hogan of impacts.
One of the main cool things about ICE tools like this is you can hotrod them! Cordless tools, every says "throw a $250 battery on it!" for like 15 extra ft-lbs. Engines, the skies the limit often for less money (until it turns into confetti at WOT of course).
@@TorqueTestChannel I love it. As we say with our cars “stock sucks”
@@TorqueTestChannel I remember I had a battery powered train C-Cells in the coal car with a barrel jack connection to power the motor. If you used a power brick that plugged into the wall that thing could really move. Should be possible to get more out of the electric impacts with a better power source. Just run it directly of a portable generator and bypass the battery? Possible perhaps.
Another thing to consider is the max torque that's allowed on the railway. Having had to order similar stuff for my work you by them because they make the right torque all the time, and they work come what may. The last thing you want on a railway is for the rail a bolt / rail to crack.
We use impact wrenches like this to install and remove lugnuts on semi wheels as well, only air driven instead of gas, though they’re still around the same size and powered at very high PSI.
I worked in Racine for just about 8 years and havent ever heard of this company, so cool!
Milwaukee Valve also makes some nice products. Def a good company if it's important that a valve doesn't fail
That through hole in the side of the socket is for inserting a retaining pin which goes all the way through the matching hole on the square drive of the impact. A heavy duty rubber band/o-ring then fits in the groove around the sockets perimeter to hold the pin in place. That way the socket doesn’t fall off.
Or there's just a ball and spring in the drive that holds it on..
@@davelowets
Yes, up to 3/4”- 1” drive usually. Bigger than that, in my experience, is the pin and o-ring style retaining method.
This is wise. I frequently deal with the sockets flying off the 1" D-handle pneumatics and those 2.5" - 3" sockets have a lot of mass and energy when they come flying off! Removing yoke bolts from a diesel driveline needs serious power. But using those guns when you're scrunched up between the differentials is scary business.
@@keamu8580
Crank pulley bolts on fire truck engines are fun too.. ever hooked up a torque multiplier to a torque multiplier to a 6 ft breaker bar? When something finally gives it’s like a grenade blast!
@@beerggls When we want a grenade blast, we use ether to bead up the 24.5" tires. Probably the most dangerous thing we deal with is stabbing the transmissions and differential cores, and changing brake drums, lots of chances to lose fingers or toes. Sure there's occasionally a motor mount bolt that needs 2 or 3 guys working a cheater pipe on a breaker bar and another guy hitting the nut with acetylene, but that's rust for you. We haven't really worked with any super plus size engines, heavy mining equipment, etc.
On this same genre, there are alot of gas powered post drivers and jack hammers on ebay/amazon. Or the chinesium electric jackhammers. It would be interesting to go down this rabbit hole because normal people like me that need a jackhammer cant justify a name brand pricetag. Love the video!
I got a video of the gas post hole driver does well just big and bulky. I use it to drive through hard Missouri clay with rocks. Yes this is an eBay special
@@1pcfred
Petrol breakers are surprisingly competent, I've got a 50lb and it's plenty serviceable on the rock around my property. These days, if you need more than a 60, you're gonna use an excavator mounted hydraulic.
Add a pipe to the motor and Nitrous
The engine doesn't need to be swapped, it's the drive. There is 'more' available in the engine, but you'll need to replace everything mounted to it as well.
Interesting that this tool is used by nearly every Railroad Crew so far, we are using exactly the same here tool in Germany
I usually get excited about your stuff.. but I saw that thumbnail today and let out a "oh f*ck yeah!"
1st step: Pull open the spark arrestor and gut it, then adjust jetting a bit richer. It would be interesting to do modifications to the OEM engine first. :)
Expansion chamber or go home.
@@ferrumignis I don't disagree, but this mod is fast, easy and free. An expansion chamber would definitely help out and look, sound and everything badass. 👍🏼
12:54 an LS swap would be nice to see
for the Railway torque gun, what it really needs is some sort of mechanism to allow the hammer to switch between hitting on every revolution and hitting after allowing a certain number of revolutions. so it can hit every revolution for the initial torque setting, but can also be switched to give the hammer a longer spool up once torque load gets higher.
Been in the rail industry for 27 years. Those things have gone along way to screwing up my back!!! 😂 We've seen a few new inovations last few years in regards to putting them on the scrap heap but we always come beck to them. I guess there must be good reason.
I literally just spent 3 hours binge watching you drive nuts into a test bench...subscribed, and well done. Like a younger, more relatable, version of Project Farm...also, thank you for the new synonym for power I will be using far too often now!
Bolts*. Nuts go on the end of the bolt...
It will be made to stay below a certain NM for a reason. My guess is it's to do with the load a train and the fixing used. Won't be much good if it tightens the bolts/nuts to the point it weakens or breaks them causing a derailment or higher maintenance cost.
More torque isn't always a good thing
exactly, make it idiot proof . I expect the fasteners used on railworks are all speced the same coz derailment is not an option and a major PITA
Yes it’s set at a certain torque setting due to the fact that the track bolts are soft and not hardened steel and to not strip the threads
@@1pcfred My Train of Thought is easily Derailed.
Yah, they'll find a problem with the gearing afterwards as it's tuned to be 'run it till it's good and move on'.
Hell yes! I recommended you guys try one of these in your video testing that hack job gas powered impact.
There's no way I couldn't watch this.
It’s not just torque that’s important - it’s long term durability, and long term power. Need the gas to run up and down rail all day and you need the girth to use it for years without it breaking
you should see the older hydraulic versions of these we use. if you hold the trigger down it'll just go until the fishplate bolts shear right off.
Great content, I work as a union boilermaker in refineries, sometimes we gotta break out a pneumatic 1” to break some old rusty bolts. Good times!
V8 swap
What you do in these videos is amazing bro.
Rc airplane engines are very high output for the weight. Also come in a variety of sizes. But I'm sure a tuned chainsaw engine would work great and probably be easier to setup
I've done road side tire work before, and a neumatic impact is the best option I've found, and it comes with less maintenance, and better reliability.
Work on the railway in the uk and we've just some new battery versions of this tool at are depot, would love to see how it would compare, maybe there's a similar thing over in the US, this is the model we have Cembre NR-25B.
Electric motors have a lot of torque but this is probably limited by other factors than the motor tbh. In theory your cembre can deliver almost 2000ft lbs(it doesn't). A simple look at the actual gearbox shows it caps out at 1300 in operation which is probably a design limitation to avoid causing damage to bolts.
Y'all atleast nailed the explanation well. its made for a purpose, and that is a work horse that you can use all day long. In the work sector, it would make more sense to carry a few gas containers than to carry 10 batteries. Plus with how hard these things have to work, those batteries would get heavily abused with such quick turn around times on charging and discharge.
I know it would be a longshot, but I would love to see a LiquidPiston X-Mini engine hooked up to that thing, possibly as a collaboration. The power/weight the X-mini claims is impressive and would be well suited to a handheld tool such as this.
Yeah that'd be really cool. Although getting your hands on one right now would run you $30k since they only "sell" the dev kits right now. Quite a bit of money for such a small engine.
Thank you. I have been trying to figure out what the heck these enormous, light up the moon, lumen flashlight manufacturers have been basing their data on as I look for solid, dependable, not crazy expensive lights for myself and my kids. I appreciate you taking the time to (a) be informative (b) nor waste my time with terrifically long videos explaining things that would be better explained in text, and (c) providing an interesting product review. Thanks again. WNL
swear to god as soon as I got hired at lowes all these tool videos started popping up. ngl I'm enjoying these alot.
I let out a loud, audible "YYYEEESSS" when I saw the thumbnail
It's possible the gearbox is set at a specific speed as well, even if you put a bigger engine on it, you might not get more speed. Maybe not, but something to consider :D
Nah... More speed will give more torque
Keep that engine and tune it up with a carb and exhaust
Recheck
Then do an engine swap from a big bore chainsaw…. That way you keep the high rpm
A low speed 4 stroke probably wouldn’t be all that great
Nothing will ever beat the milwaukee electric for us, not having mess around trying to get a pos gas impact started up while its pouring rain, ends up flooding, etc. keep extra batteries in the truck, no mixing gas, have had the milwaukee sit out in pouring rain, freezing snow, hasn't failed us yet, all for half the price of a gas impact.
The 1 inch drive, hydraulic impact the USMC LVS truck (wrecker version) has is powered by a positive displacement hydraulic pump directly driven by the trucks 8V92 Detroit Diesel. Most powerful 1” drive impact I’ve ever seen.
Try a Zenoah G800BPU engine on it. Almost 6HP, still the same rough size and 3.5kg.
Bumping you for the algorithm
This is the first video I’ve seen on your channel. Kinda cool that you test this stuff.
Stick the front end of the Racine impact on the engine of an open class racing chainsaw. One of the monsters they use for lumberjack games.
I would like to see how a 1" pneumatic impact compares to these ones.
Ah yes torque dynoing. Something I totally knew existed and do in my spare time, thanks youtube. Cool videos man keep it up.
The railway gun is designed to do 12 hour days, with time off for refueling. I have used one of these on many occasions, and they are what is known as 'Fit for purpose'.
I know you said you wanted to keep it portable, but after you modify it the first time in a still-portable way, I think you should hook it up to a V8 on a test stand. 400HP impact wrench
Yep like the chainsaw guys 😅
I support this , V8 would rly bring it to life : D
im sure everyone wants to see a v8 impact. it would definitely brake some things but think of the views.
Rather than going with batteries, or with a small gas engine: What if you instead tested the Racine with a larger, beefier electric motor?
A 5000 watt portable generator could be used to supply the necessary power via a 30 Amp power cable.
I think he was trying to test these "out of the box" to mimic "real world" on the job experiences with these tools, rather than test them with modifications.
I'm thinking race saw engine. There needs to be a race impact competition start up out of this.
As a heavy equipment mechanic, I was very skeptical of the Milwaukee 1” impact. I thought it would tighten some lugs and drop off substantially over the course of 4 or 5 wheels. After doing two full trailers with 16 wheels per trailer the damn thing did the job. We took a torque wrench and checked every wheel to make sure and I ate my words. Milwaukee is the best in my book.
We used a 1" drive for the placement car at Kinder-Morgan coal piers, but it was right by the rotary dumper and we had pneumatics.
That was unexpected. I was sure it was going to blow past everything.
I suspect this test would be different after the electric gun its been running and got HOT. I bet the gas gun would just keep thumping. Maybe test them both after sitting in the sun for a while?
And the gas gun would be susceptible to bad gas or a bad mix. Because we all know small 2 stroke engines are not temperamental at all 😂.
But you shouldn't put one gun at a detriment just to make the other shine. Whether dinosaur ugga duggas or angry pixie ugh duggas, they both have their places, and one won't really replace the other in their designed roles.
The engine will start to overheat if you run it too hard for too long, just like with a weedwhacker
@@chrisdavidson911 chinese weedwhackers will overheat, but stihl or husquarna or other good brands wont, you can run them wide open all day
On a long enough time line, everything gets an LS swap.
Woudnt mind a K swap either 😅
What would you torque with that? Everything.
I came to comment ls, I have been beaten, so I raise you a 2jz or an EJ if you don't mind the head gaskets lol
I did an internship at a historic railway spent the day using a bance, although I still wake up in sweats at a tool they called plan B (loved the pun) a 10m long light gauge railway beam, opporated by 5 men, It topped out at roughly well over 20000 Nm. in included an end wrapped in rubber tires which 2 people hung on while 1 person rung it like a bell, as the other who used wooded posts to brace it onto the joint bolt.
Shop just got the Milwaukee cordless for road calls changing tires on our 18 wheelers. They tell me it works like a boss and will do 2 complete trailers on one battery. They keep one charging in the vehicle while using the other. The gas gun is good for what you said, gallon of gas and use all day far from an electrical outlet
What about a Stihl ms881 engine? Can't get much more rpm than a chainsaw engine
The MS500i is pretty awesome too. It's fuel injected so its throttle response is great. That's really saying something in the chainsaw world where keeping the chain speed high is the name of the game.
Can I use 10mm socket with it?
John Henry didn't need one of those fancy contraptions. Also this begs the question, how exactly did RR workers put all that together back then?? They only had hand tools. T Rex's helped them out?
2:00 just hearing that 2 smoke sound....... and smelling that 2 smoke oil....
its worth the money
When I was on the rail crew we had a hydraulic one that we had to haul around a big heavy 300 lbs machine and hoses for. Hit super hard
That's what she said.
The railway footage at start even foreshadows what the Racine ended up becoming.
I have a 5/8 drill motor powered by a small 2cycle engine. I use it to start kart engines.(KT-135 Yamaha kart engines.) It's motor is made by Kioritz, I think that is the company. Basically a weed eater powered drill motor. I've had it for years, runs good.
I get more excited watching those torq numbers climb than a gambler watching a horse race!
Thanks for reminding me of how much of a gearhead I am 😆
Just me, a dude from Racine, browsing TH-cam, finding this channel, and discovering that they make huge impact wrenches about 10 minutes from my house!
We have the Milwaukee. They are great. Light and easy to use. And we have hydraulic impact to use. The hydraulic is stouter but when we are replacing track. In my current job. We don’t care about the old bolts and usually cut them with the torch. Have not seen a gas torque in action. Interesting for sure glad I don’t have to lug it around tho
I can silently hear Tim Allen grunting in the background.
You're doing gods work my son
I saw this next generation Dyson vacuum cleaner and it can spin the nuts as well, how cool is that.
Open exhaust up a little , the ports will be small within the muffler itself. Also open L jet slightly , it will be tuned for emissions . If you open out the muffler , 1/2 turn or so should do it. It'll be louder slightly but create more go . It will also allow more top end. H jet about 1/4 turn out will suffice . From a few years working on chainsaws experience
my dad once designed a multi-wrench (or what it's called) to srew/unscrew multiple screws to precise torque for quick switching tires on airplanes.
Another two points:
1: The gas is well gas takes 10-20 seconds to fill vs the 5-6 hrs to charge from flat to full charge
2: The 1100 foot lbs is continuous throughout the gas tank versus the torque fall off as the battery discharges over use
All in al as you said use is the main factor but if i could afford it I'd rather have the gas one to carry around in my truck
Suzuki RGV25 2 stroke, i saw one on a dyno hit 55horsepers. A complete VJ21 engine in the garage - it has carbs, alternator, etc etc etc and a couple of hoses, including alternator weighs 32kg no oil, which is 70lbs in old money.
Probably been said but a good thing with the petrol engine is consistent power every time until the tank is empty whereas a battery will always lose power with use .
0:54 Absolutely, with only a quick glance at the thumbnail I thought it was a custom weapon for the Heavy from the video game Team Fortress 2 lol
One of the high energy rail guns from Quake. (showing my age lol)
Flame throwers are a novelty sir,my god,figuring out coil guns ,3D print and air guns are some of the best things you can do at or get shipped alright to your house.
well if u use a 100cc yamaha bush cutter engine itl bolt up to that 4 bolt pattern also you could fitt a rc expansion chamber and silencer exhaust 14hp at 11000rpm
Most of the units I have used had chainsaw powered heads like airtec master 35 and geismar BOLT HORNET - MIW3 both around the 60cc mark
I've used the racine and milwaukee on the railroad. You should get the hydraulic 10gpm Stanley Infastructure hydraulic impact. The hydraulic Stanleys can out torque anything I've used.
If you are considering the predator 212 ghost, i would suggest looking at the 224cc max performance predator as well. It is a 212 with a stroke kit as far as i can tell. 224 makes considerably more torque that a normal 212, unsure compared to the ghost 212.
that Milwaukee works good for truck tires but gets tired really fast, it was nice when we had our on board compressor go down on the service truck and still needed to do roadside tire changes.
What if you turbocharged it? I'd love to see some boosted power out of a stock engine and see how it would hold!