How to Win with the Iron Cross Craps Strategy
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- How to Win with the Iron Cross Craps Strategy is a variation of the standard iron cross that wins on every roll of the dice except for the seven. In this variation provided by 555 Craps channel here on TH-cam. It moves the risk from the seven to a less risky lay bet on the five.
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I use this system all the time. I have 3 units on the 5, 6 and 8. Place 10 on the field. Every row guarantees at least $10. I did this today and had a hot shooter, starting pressing and had over $700 in an hour, I also dabbled in the hardways... and hit it twice.
I've been watching the strategies you show on your videos and this one is my personal favorite! I used it in Reno today and it was a ton of fun and thankfully the dice were cooperating. I enjoy the way your videos are formatted! 🤘🏼
Just got back from Vegas, used the Iron Cross strat the entire time, brother it was soooo fun !! We haven't gambled in over 20 years and I didn't want to go without having a plan. I played this up and down the strip, from the Cortez to the Aria. What was so much fun was watching people just show up and throw some chips around and poof they are gone. We endured choppy tables, and really did well on long roll's. We used the original Iron Cross a few times where you couldn't play the lay, ( I still don't understand why) we started out with 200.00 played for four days. Craps paid off give or take 100.00, slots lost 200.00 ish. If your reading this try it you won't be disappointed. Thank you for the video man, appreciate your time, and effort.
Glad you had such a great time in Vegas! Yes the iron cross strategy isn't going to get you rich, but like you mention, hangs in there thru the ups and downs of table. I would consider it a grind strategy. But its plenty of action and lot of fun.
Wouldn't it make sense to take the lay down after you've recouped your initial investment? Then you could start pressing. The hedge should really only stay there long enough to prevent a big loss, then take the lay away to prevent losing that $30, which is the bigger loss since you already have your initial investment back.
Yep, that makes sense to me. Good tweak
@@ColorUp Could you please clarify OP's statement! Once you have reached over $30 in your winnings during your initial roll, do you then withdraw the lay bet before the next roll? And if so, what exactly does he mean by pressing?
John Close yep, the lay bet is there for early 7, once you’ve gone a few roles and won some money, no need to keep lay bet up, you could, but he is suggesting to go ahead and go for bigger win at that point. Pressing just means increasing your bet size as it wins. If the 8 rolls and pays 14 you can increase bet by 6 or 12 hoping to hit it again with bigger bet.
@@ColorUp Gotcha - Thank you for the follow up! Makes total sense and awesome vid -
Just did this strategy. This lady next to me rolled 5 three times in a row. Lol 😆 on a roll that I'm up 50 bucks, I took down the lay bet then 7 rolled right after. Just my luck I guess 🙃
I like to play this strategy on Roll To Win Craps and it works nicely. The best part is being able to choose your own lay number. Just hope it doesn't hit and it's a fun grind. Making the 7 a winner is a smart strategy.
OK what about laying on the 4 or 10 you would win the lay if a 7 but win field if the number is rolled and the combo for the 4 or 10 is only 2
@@rgodfrey6903 yeah but laying 4/10 only pays 1:2
@@rgodfrey6903 I like the idea of laying the 4 and keeping the iron cross, with the field bet. I'd also play a dollar on the hard 4 just for a hedge. Yes it only pays 1:2 but that pays more than the 7 unless you hop the 7's but that would be a grinder.
Color Up.
@@dansearle4728So basically the only roll that could hurt you is a 3-1?
@@frankschwartz673 Right! So there are 3 ways to make the 4, 1-3 3-1 and 2-2. Taking the hard 4 out reduces it to 2 out of 36 combinations of the dice. But, you're playing the field so, it's covered there too! So you'll lose your place lay bet but win the field. But it's gambling, so you never know how it will work with short term probability. But over the long haul, it should pay off!
I’ve been playing this a lot on a simulator (rainy day in the northeast). I love it, with 1 modification that you mentioned. The 6 & 8 should be two units, and that means the lay bet must be increased to cover the 7-out. That’s $24 all together on the 6&8, $5 field and $45 laying the 5. It is very important to be working at all times, you can’t afford to miss a craps number. It does trickle a bit, and there is always the risk of the dice deciding to roll a lot of 5s. I also think it does well scaled up to a $10 table when that’s all you can find.
Why still only 5 on the field?
@@BW-kv9wj because it is a $5 table. All of the place bets are $5, but since 6&8 are field losers, bumping the 6&8 place bets up 1 unit compensates
@@pamagee2011 oh ok. I see
I'd do that but keep the lay at $30 or even think about reducing it
Paul Mcgee two thing confuses me first what if it was $10 minimum table and when your the shooter you have to play the pass line or don't pass, so how would that change things?
I’m sitting here in Biloxi with $450 in profit. The strategy worked well. I also added the pass bet. Thanks man.
Sweet!
Again same time same place a year later iron cross made me 2k in about 20 min. Added a power push on the 6/8 and did great!
I was playing a high/low hustle on the side but didn’t do to well on that
What's a power push??
Im guessing he meant power press. It’s when you add money additional to the winnings to increase the bet.
One thing to keep in mind from this video is that you rolled the dice 24 times before you finally hit a 7. That is a fairly uncommon string of rolls; statistically a roll of 7 shows up about 1 in 6 rolls and in real life rarely doesn't show up once in a string of at least 12 rolls. Had the seven showed up more often, you would have made more money.
Thaaaannk you.
Not that much, if any, right?
I mean you are only profiting $2 per 7. If you make more 7's that means in the same number of rolls you would make less field wins lowering your overall profit. What it really comes down to is only rolling 2 5's in 24 rolls not the 7's which are basically a push. Any more 5's and it would have been a loss.
Read through a lot of the comments and started thinking about the tweaks to this various peeps proposed. I like the idea of Lay the 9 and Place the 5 to get more win opportunity and a slightly lower hit when the Lay fails. $12 Place on 6,8, $10 Place on 5, $5 Field, $45 Lay on 9. Means a $9 hit on the 7 but 2 hits has that covered. Might try this if I want to kill a lot of time while my neighbor is bowling in the Men's Nationals this summer.
As always, thanks for all your videos.
I like this variation because even if you do lose on the 5, at least your 6 and 8 are still out there
you can lay the odds any time with 5 so even if you lose you can just put the bet up again.
I really seem to like this one..The way I would probably play this strategy is instead of letting it ride out, i might attempt 3 hits and down on everything until the next point or shooter starts and repeat up to 3x. The reason i like this is because 3 hits x 3 shooters and quit equals 9 rolls of the dice. The 5 should happen 4/36 so 1 in 9 rolls. So as long as 5 seems to hit 1 in 10 or less, then we profit over time with 3 hits and down over 3 shooters.
😂 omg you are ridiculous. Just don't gamble! The casino will survive without your stroker b.s. action. ::GottaBeatTheCasino!::
Lol... a roll is a roll its random bro
Very cool system! Nice grinder to get some drinks in while having fun.
Yeah, I think so
I can see this as a good play if you wanna play random shooters till you roll yourself and bet heavier or a different strategy. Or till a Shooter gets hot.
Personally I do an even different version of the iron cros. I only play when the point is 5, 6 or 8. Then I will place 30 on the 5, 6 or 8 and 15 on the field. Thing is if the 5 6 or 8 land and your field bet is the same amount 30 dollars you have basically broken even. So I will put 30 dollars on the 5, 6 and 8 and 15 on the field. if the field hits I win 15 but if the 6 or 8 hit I will win 35 and if the 5 hits I iwll win 42. The field misses alot even thou it looks like you have more number then your place bets.
Then Usually after two three or four rolls I take all my place bets down and parlay my winnings by playing the dont come. Once you have three or four bets winning on the iron cross when you switch to the dark side you are now favored over the house in craps as the odds of the seven rolling are in your favour. Sometimes I will not move my dont come bet to the six or the 8 I will just leave it on the dont come till a 4,5,9 or 10 is rolled but not always.
Playing both sides of the board on one roll can be very profitable. It all depends on your risk tolerance on how many iron cross rolls you want to play before you switch to the dont come. Many times I will place 5 dollars on big red when I do place 5 on the dont come as insurance as we all know the seven always comes and after thre four or five rolls it seems to land more frequent. Even thou thou odds of the seven are the same for each roll.
If you really wanna gamble use the Iron cross as a one time bet. bet 210 on the 6 and 8 and 100 on the field, let one roll happpen. If the field rolls take your bet down and you win 100 dollars profit. if the 6 or 8 land you win 140 profit if the 5 rolls you win 180 profit. If the seven rolls you lose 720 dollars. Since the seven only comes 1 out of six times eventually you will lose to the house but in reality odds can work in your favour. You may never lose this bet in twenty rolls so if you only play it once every time you visit the casino and you only go to the casino once a month you may never lose for two years. If you do win just go have drinks on the house or dinner do not gamble it away.
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I haven’t tried this variation of the Iron Cross, however the regular version has worked well for me. I bet $25 on the pass line, $25 on the 5 and $60 on the 6 & 8 each and $15 on the field. My starting bankroll is $600, so only 3 shooters. I walk away as soon as I’m up $300.
this version or regular, just depends on how the dice roll
VERY fucking smart!!!
Yea, I think I would use this to kill time between myself having the 🎲 🎲. Great video and explanation, but I would like to see that long play versus normal (standard) 27$ across with slight press?
Wow. Lots of field wins. That may be the Achilles heel. Will try this electronically.
This is a variation of the Anything but 10 created by Wager Me This. It’s not a bad strategy, but it is another version of an already created strategy.
Nothing is new, the game has been around hundreds of years. I’ve shown lay 4 or 10 strategies myself years ago.
@@ColorUp thanks for that.
When you lay the 5, it takes $60 to hedge a $40 bet. If you use the don't pass line, it only takes $40 to hedge a $40 bet. The only difference is you don't get to pick which point you're hedging.
Interesting strategy. I use the iron cross often. But this would be a great strategy when a table is choppy.
Iron cross was my preferred playstyle for a while. But in the end its basically just playing the field. Now I find it better to play the inside and the horn. 1 dollar less then a field bet with higher payout.
Tried this electronically for 2, 20 minute sessions. The first session was a win with lots of field hits and very few fives. The second session had a lot of fives which ruined my chances of winning. However I think you are right in saying that this is a way to stay at the tables and play for a long time without losing all of your bankroll. You should try it again in an online session or for real at the crap tables
Thanks for letting me know how it went for you. I’ll have to try it
I like this, but press the cross to 2 or 3 units for one roll after each 7.
88 bucks for less then 15 minutes of play is solid in my book. If the right numbers roll could have been more.. vise versa lol. But that's the beauty of dice. I personally love to grind it out because I just love the game. Some how I usually get lucky enough that if I end up at cold tables they eventually get hot and even if im down almost my whole bank roll, I end up breaking even or with a small profit. I just dont want to lose anything. If I break even or have a small profit I leave the casino satisfied because i just enjoy playing the game.
my sister is new to craps and doesn't have large bankroll. this strategy could work well for her, thx for showing it.
I think this is awesome. I like to use the quarter pound with ez strat coming out to cover the Dark Iron Cross bet. It works well.
Noob here can you explain what that means?
I would play 12 on the 6 and 8, win more each hit especially on the two most likely numbers 6 and 8. I may move the lay bet to the 4 but with the no 4 or no 5 I would be just trying to cover a portion of my cross money say 1/2. Hang around for a nice little run that you don’t hit your lay number and should be able to leave with a modest profit a good portion of the time.
I like the concept however my twist would be to used to lay to protect a tower defence or double tap strategy until im playing with house money and then I would pull the lay off the table and go from there
I would lay the 4 or 10 in this case and play inside
I got a strategy, put $15 on the dont pass and $15 on the line. No risk, very safe. Except 12s you'll want to avoid, but those are rare. Start off with 10 on the pass then add 5 in odds. It's a grinder system but you wont lose much!
I was thinking, what if you hedged the 7 until you broken even. After you reach that point, you turn the hedge into a $5 risk on the 5. Then from there you could turn it into more complicated betting with taking the 9 and presses.
Bet the pass and don't pass line on the come out and then the house has no advantage and you can lay odds on each number rolled before a 7 or the point comes out. For example, shooter comes out with a 5, you lose your pass bet but your don't pass bet wins. Now the shooter either has to make the point [5] or roll a 7 to end the roll. The odds of rolling a 5 on the second roll is 11% and rolling a 7 is 16% which means the shooter will probably not roll either thus giving you another chance to lay odd on. On the third roll the chances of rolling a 5 are 30% whereas the chances of rolling a 7 is 43%. So it is possible another number will be rolled so you can lay odds. On the 4th roll the chances of rolling a 7 is 52%. It is just math.
I place the 5, 6, 8 and lay the 9 and play field. That way a nine comes out I get a little back from the field.
That's a good idea 💡. Down part is you're being more on the lay to cover the 5 bet. I might lay the 4 or 10, and put 6 dollars on the hard way. Then I have 1 out of 18 rolls to lose (possible dice combo). I lose on 1-3 or 3-1. I win on hard. Hard hit, I would win 42. Cover the 40 lay. Then half press the numbers when I'm in the profit.
Not a bad strategy. That could work on a table that hits a lot of field #s like you did. Appreciate you taking the time to show this strategy. 🎲👍
Thanks Mel, decent grinder strategy here I think
It feels like the 6&8 profit fund the vig on the 5. I like slow grind bets because table time is fun time! great video
For as long as you have to roll to get $30 on this strategy by winning 2 dollars at a time you are statistically likely to roll a 5 and cancel it out. Unless you're willing to change the standard deviation of the bets/wins then craps will always amount to the house edge, no matter how you hedge.
I like this strategy as I like the idea of the iron cross... my only thing would be to think that you should be using the pass line because 7's are most common then if the point is 6/8m putting odds
I usually play don’t pass, 5,6,8 if point is 4, 9,10 and field( every number is played and hope to at least get 4 to 5 rolls before 7. If point is say 6, I play 5,8 only. Pretty much make the 5,6, or 8 the new 7.
why not lay the 9 and keep that 5 up? that way you'll win a bit from field bet to offset a 9 loss on the lay bet? The win on the field more than covers the vig as well.
certainly could
moving the lay from the five to the four (or ten) would decrease your chance of losing from 4/36 to 3/36. You could then place the five. Has anybody tried this?
One less combination to lose, but have to bet more money to win back the amount to cover other bets. Pick your poison
Good slow and steady grind to get through random shooters. The degenerate in me would be pressing the 6/8 and field after every hit.
Really like this! Love safe strategies
Time at table and free drinks
No strategy is safe besides staying home.
Pressing the 6&8 after a hit is the only way I see this strat paying off in the long run since you need roughly 5 field wins before a 5 hits to stay even. If you press your 6&8 even 1 unit (I would probably full press two times) then hitting those numbers can eventually start to greatly out scale your losses on the field. Again that all depends on the roll but that's craps for ya.
Just a side note: You sir, rolled the All Small, Tall and All! That would've been the greatest payout if only you were betting it. Excellent work.
150:1 in most places for the all
What are your amounts placed on a one euro table and if you Martingale the 5 is it a full recovery once the 7 hits?
Instead of the $30 lay, what about doing a $20 don’t pass to start? As long as you don’t get the 7 or 11 on the come out.
Never mind. Had to think through that. Still learning.
I do like it I would probably double the 6 & 8 too though & put 5 on the hardways!
Got to double up on that six and eight.
Yeah did not work for me, back to back 5s and quick 7 outs basically wiped out the bankroll, even tried hedging with a don't pass plus odds
Could you play this same way on a bubble table with 1.00 min? If so, how much on each of the numbers?
So, I worked the math on this system. Tell me if I'm wrong. If you rolled 1,000 times and got the expected ratios, you should roll 2 and 12 27 times each, 3 and 11 55 times each, 4 and 10 83 times each, 5 and 9 111 times each, 6 and 8 138 times each, and you should roll 166 7s. Assume a $5 table, paying double on 2 and 12, and a $1 vig upfront for the lay bet on the 5.
Here's how it should play out. Start with the negative. You should roll 111 5s, costing you $36 per roll. $30 for the lay bet, $1 for the vig, and the loss on the $5 field bet. That's a total loss of $3,996.
You should roll 27 2s and 12s for a total of 54 field bets paying double, winning you $540. The 3, 4, 9, 10, and 11 field bets should hit a total of 387 times, winning you $1,935. The 6 and 8 should hit a total of 276 times. You'll win $7, but lose the field bet, so the net win on those would be $552. Finally, you should roll 7 166 times, winning $20 for the lay bet on the 5, but losing the $17 bets on the field, 6, and 8, netting you $3 per roll and a total of $498. That should work out to be a net loss of $471.
I see you put effort into this, so I’ll assume you are correct. Your last sentence is key, as all strategies will work out to a bet loss…unless you can overcome the probable dice distribution. That’s the gamble.
@@ColorUp I ran the numbers with the suggestions other made to double and triple the 6 and 8 bets. Even bigger losses, which makes sense because you're risking more.
This guy always makes it look so fun and easy.
I see lots of ppl said why not lay the lose bet on 9 instead of 5...
In my opinion...
You can play both ways depends you are Flat-Beter or Martingaler.
If you play flat bet, lay your bet on 9.
If you want to play martingale, lay your bet on 5.
I don't think that martingale on lost 9 was a good idea...It's like...You lost alot of money when 9 was hit, and field bet "compensate" a bit of money, just a quick thought on my mind.
So flat bet on lose 9, martingale on lose 5 was the best solution for me.
Also if you lay against the five...if you hop the five will that reduce risk if shooter hits five ?
that's an option
Can you keep your place bets on the table and just turn them off?
Trying to understand craps. Have never played, but your explanation on this strategy is very enticing to play.
Great game. I have free beginner course on my website colorup.club essentially the game is bet on numbers you think will be rolled.
The always-on aspect of this looks really fun, but does playing this create a lot of busy work for the dealers? There seems to be a lot of juggling every roll for a net of a few dollars even when simming it online. Has anybody had issues playing this, and/or just tipped a lot? (or is this better on bubble craps?)
This is simple to deal, much more so than many other strats.
Lay 5 pays 19 to 31 or 19 to 30, depending on casino. Lay ODDS pay 2 to 3 in which you would need a Don't Pass bet to make. You often conflate these bets in your videos.
Lay odds pay 2:3 on 5/9 that is correct. You do not have to have a dont pass or don’t come bet to make. You can make a direct lay bet against any number and pay a 5% vig.
Lay odds on a dont pass bet pay true and would pay $20 for $30 bet and has no vig. With a direct lay bet. Most casinos will collect the 5% vig up front and therefore would be a $31 bet and you would get paid $20. Some casinos only collect 5% vig if the bet wins, and so a $30 bet would pay $20 minus the $1 or 5% vig for a payout of $19
I really like this, I'm going bend this into my normal strategy. Thank you so much for showing it.
Great channel, his best video is easily his interview with King Dice
Did the iron cross when I went to Vegas for my 21st back in 2018 came home with 1400
It definitely adds a fun twist but it’s a little too much hedge for me. I’m a darkside player, I live for big red.
definitely a grind
What if you laid the 9 instead? That way, you have the same odds as hitting a 5 and you would hedge the 9 a little on the field bet. Obviously, you'd have to place bet the 5 and lay the 9 for more. Just a thought....
Yep, could work
Double or triple your bets to make it less grindy
Travelled DP/DC or just hop the 7. ;)
Understand the strategy, it's a nice change up from the iron cross, like it, but you rolled 33 times before a 7, and made a total profit of $87 bucks, bit grindy, I just see a lot of missed opportunities, gotta play others numbers if the shooter goes on a hot roll, but for video sales, I understand, good job
Honestly didn’t know I was in the middle of a long roll. Looking back it’s easy to second guess.
nice idea. wondering if just playing the dont pass would be better for even payouts instead of laying 30 to win 20.
Depends if 7 shows before the point :) more likely to win bet and why bet more to win back less, but it’s up to the dice gods.
Wynn and Encore were paying Triple on the field 12. Was there last week. Also got the vid but had a good time. lol
Most of Vegas strip casinos actually pay triple on 12
Absolutely love your videos bud I learned so much in the last two days!
Appreciate you watching!
If you're the shooter, do you have to have money on the Pass Line or Don't Pass?
Yes, that is the only requirement to roll the dice
Used this method on a $10 table and was working great..until my unlucky ass hit 4 5s in a row. Drained me. Like you said it’s a grind and I was grinding and poof all gone in a couple of minutes
What if you have a big enough pass line bet to cover the lay 5 in case it does hit?
I would rather lay the 4 or 10 and cover the hardways in case hard 4 or hard 10 roll. And you still win in the field
Think that is called a slingshot strategy.
I like that as well since you can lay a number that isn't the point (if the shooter establishes a 5) but you would need to put up a little more money.
Literally every time a 5 gets thrown I come out with this action for one roll then down! And put the winnings in odds for the don’t usually because that’s all I play is the dark side and this variation of the IC
So why not play the iron cross normally and do a lay bet on the 4 or 10 to cover your bets?
You can. This is just a variation
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Statistically wouldn't it be smarter to lay on the 9 and have the field protect some of that to minigate a loss? I mean no matter what a 5 is a loss the other way on a complete scale. On the 9 your still losing but it's less of a blow. Unless odds are for some reason different on the 9 compared to the 5. Also doubling your 6,8 compared to field bet to increase payout when they hit feels better but that comes at a risk of putting more on your lay.
Thinking about I guess I'm introducing more probability of a loss with a lay on 9 ...... hmmmm I suppose the 5 is technically better
5 and 9 have same odds to roll, 4 out of 36. if you like to hedge bets play the 9, and get small rebate I guess.
Definently you're system, ooohhh that makes me happy!
If the point is 5 I just do a $5 come bet with the cross instead of laying a number. Because it still wins.
If you rolled an 8 as a come out number aren’t your chips suppose come off the 8 and go to another number instead of staying on the 8 with an “on” sign above it?
Dealer May ask if you’d like to move if you already have the point bet with a line bet. You do not have to move and May chose to keep for many different reasons
When you scale up to a $10 table, what should your Lay bet on the 5 be to cover the 6/8/Field?
If I am doing the math correctly.... A $51 lay bet on the 5 would pay $34 and cover the $34 on the 6/8/Field. But with a $2 vig you'd end up even?
you'd probably want to do an amount that is divisible by 3 after the vig so there is no rounding down of payout....56 - 2 vig, would be 54 paid at 3/2 or $36 win or 50 - 2 vig, would be 48$ lay winning $32
@@ColorUp Thank you! That makes a lot more sense.
Lay on the 4 and hedge it by betting on the hard 4.
For this strategy is the person using this only playing don't pass when there the shooter. And not playing don't pass when there not the shooter?
Great presentation , good strategy , not seeing any $5.00 table these days, how would YOU play a $15.00 table, with this I really like and plan on using your Pandemic special, again well done.
There are $5 in select locations. I refuse to play $15. But to adapt, just triple the amounts.
A few questions if I am rolling:
What "should" I bet if the "on" number is 5, 6, or 8?
Should I put insurance on the pass line?
Im not a big fan of insurance or hedging bets myself. Not sure what you mean by which numbers "should" you bet? that's a decision for you, and what you are comfortable betting
TLDR: Do you know what expected 'win %' of Iron Cross and/or Iron Cross Lay 5 strategies are?
Curious on theory of Iron Cross and this strategy. I wrote a little simulation of 1000 games assuming buy in $300, unit $5 and last 4 hours (80 rolls an hour). I have to believe there is a bug in my code b/c for Iron Cross I got 64.7% 'survive' with average net profit on *survived games* of -$100. So it *always* costed me money to play this strategy. For Iron Cross with 5 Lay, it was worse. Rarely survived (
Sounds about right. Every bet has a losing expectation. Now matter how you mix and match bets ie iron cross or other you cannot turn game into a positive EV. lower house edge bets will lose less money over time, but mixing more bets just increases volatility.
I have never played before so forgive the dumb question... Wouldn't it be better to lay the money on the 4 as there are less combinations of hitting it, and to bet the 5 the same as the 6 and 8?
Good question. There is no right or wrong answer in craps or "better" there are certainly less combination to roll the four (3 combos) than the five (4 combos) so it could make since to lay the four. But ultimately the dice decide what the better bet was
i'm very new to craps, but as a little extra hedge, would adding a nickel to odds help?
How this works when shooter rolls 5 and then 7? Most Dealers won't listen to lay the bet on 5 during every roll. Also when the table see lot of 5's , Do we need to continue using this strategy?
Well, the 5 is the problem area with this strategy. How many times you are willing to get beat when the 5 rolls is up to you. As far as dealers, they should be able to handle.
Great video, but why wouldn't you lay on the 4? Less odds you'll hit the 4 over the 5.
You can lay any number you like. Less ways to roll 4, but also you’d have to increase the amount bet. Trade off you have to decide
I like it. Seems like a way for a low roller to stick around a bit
Perfect for me😳😂
Okay intro!!!! I’ve been thinking about an iron cross but simply playing the DP. I’m going to try it out soon to see how it goes.
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I believe Jeremy's video using that strategy showed the biggest hole in the strategy. His videos are good for that.
Good thing he always tells us the point of the strategy.
Can you do this while place betting? Does any one know or do u have to be rolling?
Not sure I understand what you are asking. You can make all these bets whether you are the shooter or not.
Just did the iron Cross ar Golden Gate.... Won big
sweeettt!!!
I really like this adjustment. I only play the Iron Cross. I throw one roll and walk away. But it’s a $5100 bet.
$1250 on 5
$1500 on 6
$1500 on 8
$850 on Field
Any roll but 7 wins $850 and I walk. If 2 or 12 rolls, double it.
I’m not good at math. Could you please tell me how much I would need to lay on the 5 to play the above amount to cover everything? Is it possible to do? Thanks.
Thats a big risky play. It would take a lay of $5775 to cover your 6/8/field bet. You have moved risk from 7 to 5, but you would actually lose more if the 5 rolled. In your case, I probably wouldn't bother with it. Just keep praying the 7 doesn't show.
@@ColorUp Thank you Sir. How about implementing this risky strategy but wait for (2) 5s to roll in a row then jump in?
@@ColorUp So would this be correct?
Lay $5775 on the 5
$1500 on the 6
$1500 on the 8
$850 on the Field
Could you tell me how much the profit would be if ANY number rolled with the above scenario?
Thank you again. I’m gonna try this after (2) 5s roll in a row.
On a hot shooter, once ive established profit does it make sense to/ am i allowed to place bet the 5 to offset the loss of my initial Lay ??
What if you placed the five and did the lay on the four? Greater chance Of hitting seven first and since four is on the field the lay off set wouldn’t have to be much higher.
That’s fine, no wrong way, until after you know how the dice roll 🙂
@@ColorUp but does that logic follow? It looks to me like even tho you are covering the five the lay on the four would still be $30 since the four wins on the field.
I’d have to watch again to figure out. Lay $30 to win $15 and win $10 field, but now also placing how much $ on 5… there is always a give and take. The 4 has one less dice combo to roll than 5, so may be better for lay, but now have the 5 not winning much because it has to replace field loss.
@@ColorUp oh right, I didn’t think about 4 paying lower on the lay. That does change things. But I was just thinking $5 on the 5 in any case.
What if you're the shooter do you just add to the lay for the additional bet on the pass
You would lose $28 every 36 rolls using this strategy.
Lets look at the 36 possible rolls by frequency and outcome.
6 & 8 rolls 10 out of 36 X $2 = Wins $20
7 rolls 6 out of 36 X $3 = Wins $18 minus the Vig = $12
Field rolls 16 out of 36 X $5 = Wins $80
5 rolls 4 out of 36 X $35 = Loses $140
Net Loss on 36 predicted rolls is $28
Every strategy will lose money if rolled according to probability. The object of game is to beat the odds.
Would it make more sense to move the risk to 4 or 10 since they have fewer combinations? Is there a reason to avoid 4 and 10?
You can do 4/10 sure. There is one less dice combo. I think the creator picked 5, because its not covered in field.
In game of casino craps, can the player off his come placed bets, i.e. said tell dealer his/her come placed bet to not be working on the new come out roll to establish new point by new shooter (after previous shooter 7-ed out)?
Come bets just like pass line bet are contract bets. Once made they can not be turned off. They must be resolved either win or lose. The casino requires this because of the big advantage those bets hold for the player for the first roll.
Place bets however can be turned off or removed at any time.
This would be great for crapless tables!