I’ve done really well with this strategy. My uncle and I both won 4 nights in a row just playing this system with our initial buy ins and played for at least 4-5hrs a night. Don’t forget to tip your dealers.
This is how I usually play albeit I go a little more conservative not doing odds on the numbers after the come but doing double or triple odds on the point. Now I I'll try this. Thanks!
The (edit) Pass & Come Odds Bet is not a HEDGE - It is an Independent Bet made after a Point is established. It is an Even Odds bet and the only Even Money Bet you will find in the Casino. Always play what you can afford to risk on (edit) "Odds"! Always! Of course - If you don't want to play "Odds" bets - That is all-right also!!!!!!.... But tell me when you play and I will be more than happy to stand behind you and "sneak" chips into your hand so you can put them on your Pass & Come bets as Odds, "FOR ME"!!!!!!! The "House" will have an advantage over you... no matter what you do, how you play or move your chips around! But it Will NEVER have any advantage over me!!!!! Thank you very much !
@@pamagee2011 LOL! Possibly my mistake (assuming your jab at me was for a correct reason)... But I doubt it was even considering my faux pas. My first sentence should have been "The Pass & Come Odds Bets... ... ... "
Well, I'm in Wendover, Nevada. Yesterday I was playing the iron cross and had a $600 bank roll. I lost $300! The table was very cold. It was about 3 rolls and 7-out. Today I decided I was going to use this strategy. Only difference is, I didn't Molly any. I did a straight $42 on the 6 & 8 ; no matter if I lost or win after multiple rolls! I started out with a $300 bank roll and after 5 players, I cashed out with $1,100! Made up for yesterday! I thought about playing again but at the $126 on the 6 & 8 but I just pocketed the money and went home 🤣! In craps the best thing to know is when to walk away, right!?
Great videos, man! Helped me a lot with playing and get rid of the anxiety that comes with playing craps at a live table. The reason I never played was not knowing what I was doing as far as betting, but you’ve made it look easy! Thanks again.
Might want to review your math on the odds bet. House edge on odds bet is 0%. It doesn't just "increase volatility". Taking the maximum odds bet allowed decreases the overall house's edge.
Here is all the math. It decreases house edge on a larger overalll bet. Player with zero odds and player with 100x odds is expected to lose the exact same amount which is 1.4% of whatever is bet in the line. Look into the real math and don’t just repeat what the casino says “it’s the best bet” it’s the best only if you intend on or can afford the additional bet. th-cam.com/video/7rT0G0N9Psk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zkk_-4dCahExi7hU
I love playing this way and it’s a lot of simple fun! You are correct in saying it can be volatile and that it can be very rewarding when things go your way. Off and on is music to the come-bettors ears.
Lately, I've been messing with betting the come at $25 flat with odds, and then on wins, Coming back through with $15 from that win and then reversing that on repeat. Essentially, every $25 bet that wins comes back as a $15 bet, and every $15 bet that wins comes back again as a $25 bet. Ping ponging the flat amounts as the roll goes. Odds based on bankroll, but I generally "Johnny" them if I can.
Love the different strats. I've seen a lay bet for the come roll a few times. I'm curious of your thoughts. Setup for come out roll: Lay $30 each on 4,5,6,8,9,10, $4 horn and $XX on passline. 2,3,11,12 you win part of horn, loose passline, lay bets stay 4,5,6,8,9,10 rolled loose the horn, and loose lay bet for point. pull down rest of lay bets 7 rolled. win on lay 4,5,6,8,9,10(bet 180 = wins 118) and passline. if multiple 7's are rolled on the come out roll. Your sitting good with little at risk.
lot going on to take advantage of come out 7. my question is why just the comeout roll? The dice don’t know it’s a come out roll. They always have same 1 in 6 chance to roll 7, so if willing to bet 180 to win 118 for come out roll, why not each roll after? Just playing a little devil advocate here
@@ColorUp I was looking at the come out roll because you win on the passline also. But totally understand. I could see leaving the lay bets on a cold table. My go to way to play is place the inside and partial power press. Ive had good luck with it over time. love the vids. Im heading to vegas end of April/early May. Had a guy hit the ATS while I had 5,5,5 on it.
@@ColorUp If you do it just on the Come Out Roll you are only risking $30 to win $118. You can only lose one Lay Bet, but 6 can win on a 7. Better than Hopping 7s or Any 7 as those lose on a horn number, the Lay Bets don't. If you do it for multiple rolls, you are risking multiple $30 Lay Bets. One change I make is I double up on my Lay Bets after EVERY successive 7 (even if interrupted by horn numbers). This increases your win exponentially on multiple Come Out 7s. Once you have that first $118 win, you can't lose on that shooter as your first Double Up will Risk $60 to win $236. After your next CO7, Double Up risking $120 to win $472. This is on top of the $118 and $236 you already won for a total win of $708 while your total risk would be $120. If you don't get it, you lose $120 of your previous $354 win for a net win of $234 while having the potential for a lot more.
I seem to do better with a pass line bet then place the 6 and 8. If the point is 5/6/8/9 I add odds to the pass line. If the 6/8 hits, I use that profit to press up the number that hits to 1x. Once the pass line and 6/8 are at 1x, I just let it play out. If the 7 hasn't hit in 6 or 8 rolls, I might reduce the place bet and/or remove pass line odds. Come bet has a slight mathematical advantage, but I think picking the numbers with the highest probability overcomes that advantage. I'd rather place a 6/8 than end up with 4/10 come bets. I'm not a high roller so it's a slow grind but usually ends with a profit or very small loss. The other strategy I mess around with is no place bet and $66 inside adding to the 6/8 with profits after racking half. If the 7 hasn't hit in a while, I start taking money off the table. I'm fairly new at this and these two strategies seem to be the best so far.
Hey! Big fan of the channel! I appreciate the work you do in to explaining strategies and then rolling them out. One thing I would love to see more of are straight-forward regression strategies / "short game" strategies. For instance, here's a short-game version of the "3 Point Molly" I like to play. Works well with $5 and $10 tables. Let's say it's a $10 table. Start with a $10 Pass Line bet and place 5x odds once the point is established. Then place up to 3 additional Come bets with the same 5x odds (4 Point Molly). Consider keeping your odds working on any come-out rolls. When three hits are achieved, go off on all your $50 (5x) come odds bets and pick up your pass line odds leaving just the $10 contract bets working on the table, thus "locking in" your gains for that roll. You might get a few more hits and get the 1:1 contract bets, but you will not lose a big chunk when 7-out hits at that point. By going off on your odds after three hits, you might miss out on a few more odds hits on a long roll, but I find the seven comes along soon enough, and going off on odds prevents the money on the table from 100% disappearing.
That is great if you are leaving the table. But every roll has a 1 in 6 probability it will show. So delaying risk to another shooter mathematically doesn’t add up. But I do agree and like taking money off table any time I can.
No argument with your proposed method of playing in your post. But why would you ever let your "Odds" bet(s) be turned off? Are you there to play (gamble) or to stand around watching? NEVER let them turn your ODDS Bets Off! Just tell the Dealers to keep the On Button close and tell them loud and clear "My (edit) Odds are ALWAYS WORKING! Or is there some logical reason you ever have your odds bet(s) off?
Let me add, being consistent in your play and method of play make it 100X's easier on the Dealers. And Craps Dealers have possibly the hardest jobs in the casinos. Imagine 10 idiot players at the table - Many just throwing chips around seemingly wildly! Changing their bet amounts and "strategies" ... the dealer has no idea what you might play next! Then the "Box" wants the dealer to get the dice to the shooter as soon as possible to keep the action going. And the "Stick" has to be aware of what's happening on either side of him at the SAME TIME ! JMHO ...
@@BobSTK According to my knowledge as a Craps Dealer, it doesn't really matter if the odds are working or not on the Come Out roll because the House Edge remains the exact same. Most players just leave them off because 7 wins on their Pass Line and they don't lose as much on their Come Bets. Again, doesn't matter at all really, just personal choice!
@@kilecrocodyle9995 You entirely missed the point of my post. Which was to ask if he was there to “Play” or just stand around watching? And “just standing around watching” is what you are doing when you have your “Odds bets” turned off. Now - Since You are a Dealer - Let me ask - Can a Blind Monkey throwing a chip on the table play as well as any other person at the table? (That is a Yes or No question).
Excellent video. This is how I have played my entire crap's life of 15 yrs. Only exception, I will place the 6 & 8 after the come out roll. If I win on the 6 or 8 then I'll use the winnings for odds on my come bet. No carnival bets. If the 6 or 8 is the point I will just place the other. It aint sexy, but it's a consistent winner. And you are correct as usual, there's no difference except for a few pennies from the right & wrong betters. You have to make the best bets & hope to get lucky! Problem with a LOT of right betters is they play most of the carnival bets. Thanks again for the video.
I see the bankroll starting at $700, not $600 for the $10 player. So $75 profit. It also stands to reason that if you wager approximately double with the same strategy, the win/loss will also double. Great video nonetheless!
I never knew I was playing a system. However your other video pointing out the advantage of placing a bet has me waiting to try your 6 ,8 don't pass bet!
Yep, mathematically this the way to go. But not sure the math applies to our short term sessions. I prefer place bets as they pay more unless doing 5x or more in odds.
Great video! Great lessons..haven't play a single game of craps but I've a lot from all your videos.. I feel like I've been playing craps all my life after watching your videos...weird..lol thanks for teaching. Can't wait to actually go out n try it.
If I play this strategy, I don't place my odds until all three points are set. In addition, the third point is going to be double the other bets. So 10 on pass, number set, 10 come, number set, 20 come, number set; place odds. This way until all your numbers are set, you have the least amount of odds to lose money unless 2, 3, or 12 roll on your come out bets.
You should make another video of the 3 point Molly, but instead doing Pass/Come bets vs Dont Pass/Dont come. Interested in seeing if the light or dark side wins
THat was my thought and I've just been studying to learn. Going to vegas in 2 days. Would it make sense to do some don't come and some come? Or is that potentially offsetting the opportunity you already have?
Tried this strategy in Atlantic City over Labor Day weekend. In for $300, out for $240. Just happened to have a really choppy table at first, got a couple good rolls later on, but it wasn’t enough to make up for my earlier losses. Oh well…
Hey, Jeremy. I love ur videos. I learned how to play from ur videos. I met u at Atlantis n Reno. How do u like living n Reno now. Come out more often. I wish u wish mention more about how much ur betting and wat r the pay outs. Appreciate u.
Awesome! Glad I got to meet you. Im loving Reno. I haven't been out playing much, and been keeping my play quite as Im working on a partnership with one of the local casinos.
Good video! Heading out next week. I’ve been thinking about my approach. My area usually only has $15 and $25 tables. I usually just place the 6 and 8 then cover more if I win. I like the quarter pounder idea, the 66 inside then 88, then regress. I like to get a feel for the table, the dealers, and the numbers being thrown. I know it’s random but I see so many numbers repeat so often. Hope I can find a long roll💥✌🏻
Forget that nonsense. That is scaredy cat play. Go in, take your entire bankroll, and spread it across the numbers as soon as you get the dice. Do not work your bets on the Comeout, and spread them so that they pay close to evenly - don't load up your favorite number, etc. I wouldn't press a dime until you have racked your initial investment. Leave the money on the point number and take full odds as soon as you collect on your first hit. Once you've made a pass, whether it's 2 rolls or 40, take the profit and go enjoy the rest of your free vacation and under no circumstances are you to go home down. Send money orders home if you have to but do not allow even the chance of having a losing trip once you have bagged that first nice pass profit. Thank me later.
@@teach9906 - Negative Nancy!! If it happens, rinse and repeat. Go back to work, save up a few more grand and do it again. You won't hit the bastard every time, and sooner or later, you'll have that dream roll and be betting big all during it. If I had my gambling career to do over again, I would risk it all every time I walked in. Because I've had a few very good rolls and I would have made a quarter million, easy. I'd do 5 years of being broke to hit big like that afterward. Unfortunately, I was Scaredy cat, like mentioned above, and made coffee money instead.
@@skinovtheperineum1208 its a sick way to do it. Risk it all on two throws of the dice possibly. But, I also understand exactly what you are saying. A roll that hits 40+ will make so much that you will be the star of the casino that night.
I'm confused. Unless you play at least double odds, aren't you always winning less money than you would had you just done a place bet or buy bet for the same amount? And this strategy requires you to hit twice (once to place to the come bet and second to hit it) vs just placing/buying it which requires 1 hit and you get more money (again assuming only 1x odds placed). The only positive I can see doing this is the hedge that the money on the Come line gives you against the 7.
if you place a bet on the Come and shooter rolls a seven - do you win the Come bet at even odds just like you would on the Pass Line (but you would crap out and lose the Pass Line bet along with the odds bet made with the Pass Line bet)?
I’ve been working on a strategy myself and would be interested in sending it to you to review and see how it plays out. I’ve used it for 3 sessions of two hours with a $500 dollar bankroll and reset each time I went bust or doubled my money and it worked well where I doubled out 5 times and busted out 3 so it was a mild success not gang busters but pretty fun with lots of action and not just sitting bored playing only the 8 and 6
has different advantages, such as its a 7/11 winner for first roll which is a massive 2:1 favorite where as a place bet is always at disadvantage to win. Also come bets allow you to make an additional odds bet. They are just very different bets for different goals.
@@ColorUp I see. Interesting. I’ve been playing Vegas Stakes on my dad’s Super Nintendo and experimenting with the come bet. You probably shouldn’t back up the come bet with odds if it’s on less likely numbers like the 4 or 10 though, right? Or is the payout adjusted to the likelihood of an unlikely number being rolled?
The payout is adjusted to chance of rolling number, so odds on 4 is just as good as odds on 6. Some people actually prefer because the payoff is so good on less likely numbers.
Only advantage is the 7 or 11 as he mentioned on the Come line. Only putting 1x odds on each bet actually is less money than he he just placed or bought the bet, plus if you imagine he bought/placed right after the initial button placement he would have collected first vs putting the come bet up. I dunno, I see the appeal I guess but it doesn't make sense to me unless you're going 2x odds or if you really think 7 and 11's will be hitting the 2nd roll.
I have been watching your videos for a while now. went out and played craps for the first time yesterday! $300 Bankroll left with $435 after tipping dealers. i'm lucky in Calgary where i am its all $5 tables or $1 bubble craps. Thanks for all the knowledge ! Cheers
Huge fan of your work. I don't miss an episode. Can you tell me which casinos in Colorado that you know for sure have the individual bubble craps machines? Are they in Black Hawk?
Well I moved from Colorado to Reno this past summer. At the time multiple casinos in Blackhawk had the individual bubbles. Can't be specific to what names? But they are all within walking distance, so should be easy to find.
Hey Jeremy, love the channel. Im wondering about money management. I see it mentioned you want say a 200 bank roll, but then also, you need X amount per shooter. I dont know how to gauge that. Is it, "ok my strategy needs a 44 inside" and I start that and press up from there and then repeat per shooter, or what? So my question... money per shooter. how does that work? Would love to see more about money management. when to stay on single units, when to regress after pressing... but over all how to manage money per shooter. I would also love to see a video about how to start the game. IE, how to go from a cold start with a small amount of my own money laid out, to working the casinos money as I get deeper in the game. "how to start the session" THANKS!
Lot to cover there, and I have over many videos. In a summary, This is how I like to start. Pick a strategy. Let’s say 44 inside. That’s my total investment for that shooter. If some numbers hit, I can press, regress as I’m comfortable, but I’m not going to invest more than that original $44. I personally like to have enough bankroll for 10 shooters in the hopes that gives me a chance if one of them having a great roll. So I’d need $440 total. Once I’ve run through that $440 I reevaluate: am I up? Down? If up do I want to keep playing? Or walk with profit. Now that’s an easy strategy to figure out, some are more complicated and have multiple stages, in that case what Is the total amount I will have at risk on a particular shooter. I need 10x whatever that amount is. Now this is my ideal situation, sometimes I don’t have a “proper bankroll” and give it a shot anyway, it is gambling after all. As far as starting from beginning. My personal preference is to start with as little money on table, hope to get some wins and then get my initial money back. I don’t believe in “house money” as it is your winnings, but I feel more comfortable once I have some “winnings” to bet much more aggressive.
I asked Chat GPT about a strategy that leverages the player odds, and this exact strategy is what came up. It did say to keep adding the come bets and playing maximum odds, so it just depends on ones risk tolerance.
At 18:30 you said "Now remember our odds were off, but our flat bets were a winner." How can the player or the dealer tell/remember that? To me it looked like there wasn't a designation that one was a flat bet vs an odds bet, but I'm quite new so I might be missing something. Been enjoying your videos, thanks a bunch!
Personally enjoy this strategy, but prefer continuing to bet the come until all numbers are covered. Agree you are risking more, but this is also how you can come off the table up big amounts. You have to be comfortable with having 150-200 dollars out there on a 10 dollar based bet...but it can come back to you really quickly and then some if the shooter goes on a hot run.
This is another strategy I like to employ. It normally works out well for me especially when I have a large bankroll to play with. At times I’ll keep going until I have come bets on all 6 numbers, but that also often goes prematurely sour. I hope to play like this my next visit to Atlantic City.
Great video! I like to think my comment on your '3 hit' video was inspiration when said I'd play two hit (rather than three, and not recover all my front line bet) and then off with the place bets until crap out. And if points hit use some proceeds to press pass line odds. A slow way to play, but reducing the vig %. And nice to have more time for the cocktail service....So given the Vegas Strip is all $25 min for most hours now, what is the vig difference between playing 'three point' on $10 table (with odds), versus just playing $25 with no odds?
Please, forgive a newbie question. I’ve been throwing dice on my kitchen table for weeks now and I’ve come up with one really embarrassing question. At a $10 table must all presses be of $10, or is it sufficient that $10 minimum resides on each box? E.g., I hit a 10 pays 14, can I press the six in the eight or do I have to do that in increments of 10?
Great question actually. Once you reach the table minimum, any amount of press is allowed. Technically you could increase to $11, but wouldn’t want to do that because of the rounding of payoffs. So you could go from $10 and press to $15/$18 depending on number. It doesn’t have to increase by ten
Funny thing happened last time in Vegas. Table was hot, everyone was making money, guy walks up, starts dropping his bankroll on don't pass bets and betting against the table, lost 5k in about 20 minutes. I know mathematically it is better, but I am new and I don't want to bet against everyone else's good time. I felt he got what he deserved? Going back to Vegas on the 18th looking forward to using some more starts you have posted! Thanks for all the vids!
You never know, he could have just as easily started winning. Players can play as they choose. We are not betting against each other, we are all betting against the casino.
The numbers at the end seem off to me. Both players are playing the same strategy, one is betting twice as much as the other but ends up with 175 profit compared to just 35?
I think he counted wrong or paid our wrong. They actually shouldn’t be exactly double. Because player 1 is playing $5 and if one of the points is 5 or 9 that doesn’t get paid a whole number. So he was doing $6 which is slightly more than 1x odds while the $10 player would get paid an whole number on 5 or 9. Exactly 1x odds.
My favorite game play is come bet, no odds yet, don't come bet. Then depending on the table and the numbers , I adjust odds, place bets or even an Iron Cross. The goal is to clean the table with hits and finish up with the don't come. Each roller is a different strategy depending on your initial 2 bets. Volatility is +/- $180 on a $15 table. So, if I'm up $180, I chill, if I'm down $180 I walk.
Couldn't you play the same but play the don't come either exclusively or off and on and hedge against the 7 a bit? I'm completely new but thought they work similarly but opposite.
I'm new to the game and I have been watching live games and I have a question. If I have a place bet on say like the 5 and the come out roll is a 5 why is that bet moved? Can I stay on the 5 or is that bad form? Btw I love your videos. I've learned a lot and hope to put it into action soon!
My guess is that you have a pass line bet acting? That’s the only reason to take the place bet on the five down. If you’re betting the pass and the point is established as 5, then the five rolling wins you money without the place bet so a lot of dealers will assume you don’t want the place bet anymore. You can use the money that was on the five to cover a different number and increase your chances of winning money on the next roll with the same amount at risk.
@gary hoggard gave you good answer, dealers assume you already have it bet with a pass line. Best option is to use it for odds if you want to bet more money on that number. Next option is to just move to a different number. if odds are maxed out on number and you want to bet more, you certainly are allowed to just tell the dealers leave place bet where it’s at
I dont understand the way you pay and place odds: The 5 and 9, for example, have true odds of 3:2 and that is what you seem to be paying out; however, the payout odds are 7:5; likewise the six and the eight are 6:5, respectifully for true odds with payouts at 7:6. Why the descreptancy? I saw you for instance pay out the single better $11 and the double better $22. could you please how you came to that calculaion. I think I know my error. Come bets pay true odds. The odds I cited previously are place odds. Correct?
The odds bet pays the true odds. When you make place bets, they pay less than true odds. The payout amounts you mentioned are correct for place bets. 7:6 for 6&8, 6:5 for 5&9, 9:5 for 4&10. This video covered odds bet which are different than place bets.
Instead of a come line bet, it seems that if you just place the numbers you are not missing out on one roll. Am I missing something? With a come, that number has to hit twice before you benefit, increasing the chance of a seven being rolled before that happens.
Well, it doesn’t increase chance of 7 showing as that chance is always 1 in 6. But the come has the benefit of winning with the 7, that is only real reason to play it. That and if you plan on playing odds. It is a highly debated topic for sure. Many players opt to just go with place bets.
The place bet has a higher house advantage, except for the 6 and 8. The thing you are missing is that a come bet is actually just betting on a number to hit once in the same way a pass line does
I wonder if there is a strategy where you go “off” on your place bets for the first roll after a point is established, then back on if it’s not a 7. It seems like you are more likely to 7 out on the first roll, I’ve seen it so many times. Why not just wait 1 roll?
why does it seem more likely for 7 to roll on first roll? you certainly could turn your bets off. I would question that though… I think it might be more a case of confirmation bias, you remember when it happens, and forget all the times it doesn’t happen 🤷♂️
If the pass line with an odds bet has the smallest house edge why would you need a system or ever place any other bets? Surely the best strategy is to bet Pass every round with the maximum allowed odds and never touch anything else?
That is correct. That would be best way to play with minimum amount money risked. Adding additional come bets with odds doesn’t effect math, just effects your bankroll and puts more money at risk. Reason people don’t play that way is simple boredom. They want more action.
Place bets of equivalent amount pay better until you are at 5x odds or more. Line bets advantages are the come out roll, and lower house edge. Place bets pay better up to a certain point and can be removed anytime. They both have advantages and disadvantages, play the bets you prefer.
Right at the beginning you show that Don't Pass is better...but throw the math right out the window and say inexplicably that "most players don't play that" Seriously WTF? Using pure and true math I would think playing Don't Pass and loading up as much as possible on the Odds bet would be the best bet . Can someone explain to me why this isn't the only bet anyone ever plays in craps because it lowers the house edge the most out of any bet sstrategy.
As a statistician, I'd day this isn't quite the best mathematical way to play. You should play Don't Pass and take maximum odds. If you make any other bets, it should be don't come with maximum odds. However, like he says playing the pass and come bets with maximum odds is very close to just as good. Also you don't have to lay out as much money to play the Pass and Come.
Ya I didn't understand making a Come bet with only 1x odds. Thats literally less money than you'd get had you just done a place bet or buy bet for the same amount. So this strategy would only be better than placing/buying if you did minimum 2x odds for each Come bet.
An enjoyable video, BUT your comment at the very end.. Beating " The Stock Market " was a poor analogy. As a " Professional Day Trader " for over 20 yrs...is not a good example ! Anyone who has ever " Day Traded" knows what I mean.
Practicing with an app on my iPhone. Endless supply of fake money. The app is just rolling 7s almost 100% of the time, at the most inopportune moment. Maybe a real table is harder to rig, but it is a terrible strategy on my iPhone app.
I've used this method for years. Works great if the shooter is hitting the numbers. I always do 3/4/5 times odds. I avoid casinos that allow only 2x odds.
I think the strength of this strategy is that a table can be somewhat "cold" and you can break even or maybe scratch out a small gain. Because of those two come bets, a table can struggle to make points but I can hit 1, 2, or 3 come bets before losing on the pass bet. I also place 6 & 8 after the come out to pay for odds on come bets.
Great Video! Through my testing this strategy doesn't do so great ! It's pretty much a bankroll management strategy that breaks even or loses money overtime! Just my opinion of course but thanks for all you do brother
I was just curious if you had a preference like what you might actually play more often using your own $.. since they both have similar mechanics in the Come.. guess just depends how much risk you feel like taking any given night lol
I lean towards the heat seaker when o only have limited budget heading to casino. I will also play it a lot of times at meetups with fans, as I know I’ll be able to stick around long time with little money
With come bets, you really don’t want to see a 7 at anytime, even on a new come out roll, as your established bets would lose, so it makes sense to have your odds working.
I need more action personally lol. I think 36 builder is my favorite strategy. Requires you to pay attention a little more but I like having pretty much everything covered. Also fairly easy to win back your initial investment.
Sure, although this is “mathematically” the best way to play, it is not a guaranteed winner, and in fact is a guaranteed loser over time. Play the way you enjoy the most, and good luck!🍀
You can. First press the odds until maxed out. Then I would start increasing the come bets you are replacing numbers with. Technically you can increase a come bet and odds at one time after its already on a number, and that is called a put bet, but not recommended.
I've run this on my craps sim. This strat seems to really suck. If the rolls hit, you can get up briefly, but it is quick to fail all the way to zero. I could definitely be wrong. But this seems like pure gambling with little strategy. But like I said, I could be wrong. -- And it seems that most of the money won in your "sim" was from the pass line and pass line odds. I wonder what you actually gained from the COME/point bets. There is no hedge. 7 destroys. What is the actual strategy here other than stopping at 2 COME points?
Run any strategy or series of bets thru a sim. They will all end at zero eventually. The casino has an edge on every single bet. You can’t win long term, you have to take advantage of short term luck and beat the odds.
@@ColorUp Well, yes. I didn't put it on loop. I ran it manually and quickly busted and after the third quick bust stopped. So maybe just my rolls were off. I just didn't see a "strategy" that fits for me I guess.
@@stanleymyrick4068 I never play this way, but it’s one of most famous strategies. All the old books on craps in 1950-1980s all recommend. I guess due to low house edge. But that’s useless if you can’t roll your numbers.
The 4/6/8/10 the $10 should win or lose double. The 5/9 do skew numbers. $5 player is betting $6 in odds to win $9 and $10 is betting $10 to win $15. Sometimes I just put odds of $10 on the $5 player so he was losing just as much as $10 player. But if you can find any mistakes, let me know with a time stamp.
This was the first system I learned and I stopped playing it when I learned how bad it was at a corporate retreat (we had a casino night) The true payout of the odds only makes sense at 10x, but the problem with this strategy is that a number has to hit twice before it get pays It is still smarter to just do place bets and not go through the Come/pass line
Well 5x and above table and line+odds pays equal or more than place bets, so 10x is not necessary. Hitting the number twice is a little inaccurate. The first roll is a different stage of game, where a 7/11 wins which is a big advantage. After point established, the number only has to roll once to win. they are very different bets and both have their advantages and disadvantages.
This unrelenting furor insisting the Come bet “number has to hit twice before it gets paid” is obfuscatory twaddle. At the time you made the contract, and accepted the Pass Line or Come Bet proposition offered by the house, there WAS no specific number-that, sure as shite, nobody said anything about hitting twice. At that point in time (between dice decisions), if you looked down and “knew” it’s value, that you would have to make twice, well-you’ve GOT to be PSYkick. And, once it’s made, do you seriously expect your chances decline because you made it once? Dice can’t remember! But, just for giggles, let us hypothecate that you DO need to “make it twice”-absurd as that sounds in a test of independent trials. At least the Come bet number DID show once-…which is something your Place Bet that you picked to repeat may never do, at any time you are on it!
Mathematically the 7 has a higher chance of hitting more than any other number. You’d be better off playing the Don’t Pass, MAYBE hop the 7s to hedge the come out roll a little, place the 6/8 since they hit more than the other numbers besides the 7, then go through the DC or just lay the 4/10.
No, the 6/8 although great bet, carries a little higher house edge of 1.52%. If you are playing the dice probability game though, choosing to bet the 6/8 instead of letting the dice decide what number you bet on is a great option and I have a video coming out later this week, addressing just that.
@@ColorUp looking forward to seeing the next video. Personally I've never liked betting in the come, because you have to roll the number twice before you win. Love your videos, keep them coming, and thanks so much for what you do for us.
It turns out, a * temporary * place Six &/or Eight bet CAN further optimize the Two Point / Three point Simple Ponzer ( described widely as Three Point Molly ). See THE CRAPS PLAY OPTIMIZER by Gary Collopy.
Yeah, when said "the 3 kinda negates the 11 ... ', I had to turn off b.c. this is obviously Amateur stuff. That kind of TUNNEL VISION will mathematically break you! The BIGGER PICTURE is (as always) in the DICE COMBINATIONS - 2 6 sided dice makes for 36 possibilities on every roll. NOW, looking at your DON'T PASS initial wager - where a 7 or 11 will make for a one roll loser - THAT'S 8 dice combos total that lose, compared to 4 Combo's that win with the 2, 3 or 12 rolled. Sure, there's 2 Combo's for the 11 (loser) and 2 for the 3... But getting into "they balance out" is just getting into 'Hocus Pocus' type stuff. No they don't 'Balance Out'. Know that with 8 combos to lose, and 4 to win (3 actually, as 1 is a 'push') when not rolling one of the other 24 combo possibilities ( which would establish a POINT) the DP is at an initial 2 to 1 disadvantage.. before a point is established. That's the only coherently mathematical way to look at it accurately.. "Balance Out" is 3rd grade level Snake Oil'... just sayin
Why? The house edge on the Don't Pass and Come is about the same as the Pass and come? There is no statistical difference. Some people just think they are betting WITH the house when they truly aren't.
According to the Casino house edge, it is better mathematically. Place betting will have a higher house edge or vig, and will lose more money over time. But place betting certainly has many advantages.
I can't watch this anymore...but I will offer up some stats: for every 31 times the 6(Or 8) is the point ..the shooter will make 13 of those...and miss 13 of those and MISS 5 OF THOSE 100% OF THE TIME....FOR EVERY "28" TIMES A 5 (or 9) is the point...,(or on a Don't come obviously) 10 times it Will be made 10 times IT WILL NOT..and EIGHT TIMES...it will be MISSED 100% OF THE TIME.. On the 4 or 10...OF THE 26 TIMES It BECOMES THE POINT Or DC...8 times it will be made, 8 times it will be missed AND 10 TIMES IT WILL BE MISSED 100% You guys been brainwashed forever....believe what you wish. You all will probably never figure it out.
If the game follows the math and dice probability, no matter how you play is a losing proposition. The game is about beating the odds, and taking advantage of discrepancies in the probability chart.
This is so misleading for beginners., even if true. NO ONE should bet on odds as they have NO actual effect on wagers. They are TRUE ODDS wagers as you stated. Over the long haul they make no difference and you didn't say that , not that I heard.
Actually both of you should be considered wrong! As the "Odds" bet pays the true full odds. There is NO HOUSE advantage built into the bets. Over the long run you will break even where as on any of the Point numbers the house will certainly win it's expected percentage. So - If YOU don't play the odds bets - Please allow me to put my money on your Pass-line and Come bet amounts. I Guarantee you both - I will fare better than both of you. And "KNOW" this - OVER the long - run... You will lose nothing on the Odds-Bets! Now I am sure you are both scratching your silly heads. Thinking I don't know what I am talking about. Sorry...but I DO!!!! And I suspect you will do some research and come to the same obvious conclusion and that I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT
You will lose nothing, but also win nothing over the long run with odds bet. It just creates variance which could work for or against you depending on if you are rolling points back or not.
James - Sorry if I came across a bit harsh and insulting in my previous post. But I was 100% correct. And neither this video nor any other Craps Video will help you win or lose any more or any less. Your win / loss (amounts) depend solely on which game you play at the table and the amounts of the bets you play. And there are MANY different games to play at the Craps Table and they have different Win / Loss Odds and expected win / loss amounts! To be Honest - CRAPS is a COMPLETE NO BRAINER of a GAME! A Blind Monkey throwing chips on the table plays exactly as good as you or I!!!! Yes a 100% No-Brainer. The same as Roulette, Slots, The big Wheel, Baccarat or whatever new games they invent to entice the player(s). ONLY BJ takes Brains to play and out of 100 BJ Players you see in the Casino - “MAYBE” 1 out of One-Hundred really plays correctly. Again- Sorry if I am being insulting. I do not intend to be. But I just do not like anyone thinking they can play Craps any better than ANYONE ELSE. They CAN’T!!!!!! "HOW to play" videos are OK but do not think there is a best way to play.
@@ColorUp Yes - Now you are correct !!!!! But do not forget to tell your students - That over the long run you will be even on your Odds Bets and Certainly be DOWN on All other bets you might play. And I am not knocking you personally. You are doing your thing. But to suggest there is a better or worse way to play is misleading. If you intent is to TEACH others ...then OK... but 9,999,999 out of 1,000,000,000Craps Videos on TH-cam then to be misleading (or simply incorrect) making the novice to think there may be a BEST way to play. And you know there is NOT! Anyway - If you do play - I wish you the best of luck! I like seeing players taking chips from the tables!
When you say it's better then "Any" other method that's a dam lie!!! Say that you know of!!! Misleading viewers! I play daily in Vegas and smash this sillyness!
Mathematically it is the best way to lose the least amount of money. Every bet has a negative expectation, you can’t win long term. Many strategies are more aggressive and will win lots more money at any given lucky session. Are you saying you are a lifetime winner and win daily? If so I believe you are being misleading or untruthful.
I’ve done really well with this strategy. My uncle and I both won 4 nights in a row just playing this system with our initial buy ins and played for at least 4-5hrs a night. Don’t forget to tip your dealers.
This is how I usually play albeit I go a little more conservative not doing odds on the numbers after the come but doing double or triple odds on the point. Now I I'll try this. Thanks!
Great video. I wish I seen it before I started playing. Your explanation of the odd bets made it simple.
I totally believe your analysis. Zero-edge odds bets, having that come bet out there as a hedge. Makes perfect sense.
The (edit) Pass & Come Odds Bet is not a HEDGE - It is an Independent Bet made after a Point is established. It is an Even Odds bet and the only Even Money Bet you will find in the Casino. Always play what you can afford to risk on (edit) "Odds"! Always! Of course - If you don't want to play "Odds" bets - That is all-right also!!!!!!.... But tell me when you play and I will be more than happy to stand behind you and "sneak" chips into your hand so you can put them on your Pass & Come bets as Odds, "FOR ME"!!!!!!! The "House" will have an advantage over you... no matter what you do, how you play or move your chips around! But it Will NEVER have any advantage over me!!!!! Thank you very much !
@@BobSTK Bob, get back on your meds asap
@@pamagee2011 LOL! Possibly my mistake (assuming your jab at me was for a correct reason)... But I doubt it was even considering my faux pas. My first sentence should have been "The Pass & Come Odds Bets... ... ... "
Well, I'm in Wendover, Nevada. Yesterday I was playing the iron cross and had a $600 bank roll. I lost $300! The table was very cold. It was about 3 rolls and 7-out.
Today I decided I was going to use this strategy. Only difference is, I didn't Molly any. I did a straight $42 on the 6 & 8 ; no matter if I lost or win after multiple rolls! I started out with a $300 bank roll and after 5 players, I cashed out with $1,100! Made up for yesterday! I thought about playing again but at the $126 on the 6 & 8 but I just pocketed the money and went home 🤣!
In craps the best thing to know is when to walk away, right!?
Great videos, man! Helped me a lot with playing and get rid of the anxiety that comes with playing craps at a live table. The reason I never played was not knowing what I was doing as far as betting, but you’ve made it look easy! Thanks again.
Its a great game, glad to help out some
Might want to review your math on the odds bet. House edge on odds bet is 0%. It doesn't just "increase volatility". Taking the maximum odds bet allowed decreases the overall house's edge.
Here is all the math. It decreases house edge on a larger overalll bet. Player with zero odds and player with 100x odds is expected to lose the exact same amount which is 1.4% of whatever is bet in the line. Look into the real math and don’t just repeat what the casino says “it’s the best bet” it’s the best only if you intend on or can afford the additional bet. th-cam.com/video/7rT0G0N9Psk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zkk_-4dCahExi7hU
I love playing this way and it’s a lot of simple fun! You are correct in saying it can be volatile and that it can be very rewarding when things go your way. Off and on is music to the come-bettors ears.
Well said!
Lately, I've been messing with betting the come at $25 flat with odds, and then on wins, Coming back through with $15 from that win and then reversing that on repeat. Essentially, every $25 bet that wins comes back as a $15 bet, and every $15 bet that wins comes back again as a $25 bet. Ping ponging the flat amounts as the roll goes. Odds based on bankroll, but I generally "Johnny" them if I can.
If it's volatile then it's not the best method. Common sense!!
In gambling, the volatility is where you win the money. Without volatility and every bet having a casino edge, you slowly drain your money away.
Love the different strats.
I've seen a lay bet for the come roll a few times. I'm curious of your thoughts.
Setup for come out roll: Lay $30 each on 4,5,6,8,9,10, $4 horn and $XX on passline.
2,3,11,12 you win part of horn, loose passline, lay bets stay
4,5,6,8,9,10 rolled loose the horn, and loose lay bet for point. pull down rest of lay bets
7 rolled. win on lay 4,5,6,8,9,10(bet 180 = wins 118) and passline.
if multiple 7's are rolled on the come out roll. Your sitting good with little at risk.
lot going on to take advantage of come out 7. my question is why just the comeout roll? The dice don’t know it’s a come out roll. They always have same 1 in 6 chance to roll 7, so if willing to bet 180 to win 118 for come out roll, why not each roll after? Just playing a little devil advocate here
@@ColorUp I was looking at the come out roll because you win on the passline also. But totally understand. I could see leaving the lay bets on a cold table. My go to way to play is place the inside and partial power press. Ive had good luck with it over time. love the vids. Im heading to vegas end of April/early May. Had a guy hit the ATS while I had 5,5,5 on it.
@@ColorUp If you do it just on the Come Out Roll you are only risking $30 to win $118. You can only lose one Lay Bet, but 6 can win on a 7. Better than Hopping 7s or Any 7 as those lose on a horn number, the Lay Bets don't. If you do it for multiple rolls, you are risking multiple $30 Lay Bets.
One change I make is I double up on my Lay Bets after EVERY successive 7 (even if interrupted by horn numbers). This increases your win exponentially on multiple Come Out 7s. Once you have that first $118 win, you can't lose on that shooter as your first Double Up will Risk $60 to win $236. After your next CO7, Double Up risking $120 to win $472. This is on top of the $118 and $236 you already won for a total win of $708 while your total risk would be $120. If you don't get it, you lose $120 of your previous $354 win for a net win of $234 while having the potential for a lot more.
I seem to do better with a pass line bet then place the 6 and 8. If the point is 5/6/8/9 I add odds to the pass line. If the 6/8 hits, I use that profit to press up the number that hits to 1x. Once the pass line and 6/8 are at 1x, I just let it play out. If the 7 hasn't hit in 6 or 8 rolls, I might reduce the place bet and/or remove pass line odds. Come bet has a slight mathematical advantage, but I think picking the numbers with the highest probability overcomes that advantage. I'd rather place a 6/8 than end up with 4/10 come bets. I'm not a high roller so it's a slow grind but usually ends with a profit or very small loss.
The other strategy I mess around with is no place bet and $66 inside adding to the 6/8 with profits after racking half. If the 7 hasn't hit in a while, I start taking money off the table. I'm fairly new at this and these two strategies seem to be the best so far.
Hey! Big fan of the channel! I appreciate the work you do in to explaining strategies and then rolling them out. One thing I would love to see more of are straight-forward regression strategies / "short game" strategies.
For instance, here's a short-game version of the "3 Point Molly" I like to play. Works well with $5 and $10 tables. Let's say it's a $10 table. Start with a $10 Pass Line bet and place 5x odds once the point is established. Then place up to 3 additional Come bets with the same 5x odds (4 Point Molly). Consider keeping your odds working on any come-out rolls. When three hits are achieved, go off on all your $50 (5x) come odds bets and pick up your pass line odds leaving just the $10 contract bets working on the table, thus "locking in" your gains for that roll. You might get a few more hits and get the 1:1 contract bets, but you will not lose a big chunk when 7-out hits at that point. By going off on your odds after three hits, you might miss out on a few more odds hits on a long roll, but I find the seven comes along soon enough, and going off on odds prevents the money on the table from 100% disappearing.
That is great if you are leaving the table. But every roll has a 1 in 6 probability it will show. So delaying risk to another shooter mathematically doesn’t add up. But I do agree and like taking money off table any time I can.
No argument with your proposed method of playing in your post. But why would you ever let your "Odds" bet(s) be turned off? Are you there to play (gamble) or to stand around watching? NEVER let them turn your ODDS Bets Off! Just tell the Dealers to keep the On Button close and tell them loud and clear "My (edit) Odds are ALWAYS WORKING! Or is there some logical reason you ever have your odds bet(s) off?
Let me add, being consistent in your play and method of play make it 100X's easier on the Dealers. And Craps Dealers have possibly the hardest jobs in the casinos. Imagine 10 idiot players at the table - Many just throwing chips around seemingly wildly! Changing their bet amounts and "strategies" ... the dealer has no idea what you might play next! Then the "Box" wants the dealer to get the dice to the shooter as soon as possible to keep the action going. And the "Stick" has to be aware of what's happening on either side of him at the SAME TIME ! JMHO ...
@@BobSTK According to my knowledge as a Craps Dealer, it doesn't really matter if the odds are working or not on the Come Out roll because the House Edge remains the exact same. Most players just leave them off because 7 wins on their Pass Line and they don't lose as much on their Come Bets. Again, doesn't matter at all really, just personal choice!
@@kilecrocodyle9995 You entirely missed the point of my post. Which was to ask if he was there to “Play” or just stand around watching? And “just standing around watching” is what you are doing when you have your “Odds bets” turned off. Now - Since You are a Dealer - Let me ask - Can a Blind Monkey throwing a chip on the table play as well as any other person at the table? (That is a Yes or No question).
My favorite strategy. Thanks Jeremy for the video
Thanks friend, helped me out for my upcoming trip to Vegas (no craps here in Melbourne, Australia).
Have fun!
Excellent video. This is how I have played my entire crap's life of 15 yrs. Only exception, I will place the 6 & 8 after the come out roll. If I win on the 6 or 8 then I'll use the winnings for odds on my come bet. No carnival bets. If the 6 or 8 is the point I will just place the other. It aint sexy, but it's a consistent winner. And you are correct as usual, there's no difference except for a few pennies from the right & wrong betters. You have to make the best bets & hope to get lucky! Problem with a LOT of right betters is they play most of the carnival bets. Thanks again for the video.
"Consistent winner" ??? Which planet is the casino you play at on?
Covering the P never gets old.
I see the bankroll starting at $700, not $600 for the $10 player. So $75 profit. It also stands to reason that if you wager approximately double with the same strategy, the win/loss will also double. Great video nonetheless!
The best channel by far!!
I never knew I was playing a system. However your other video pointing out the advantage of placing a bet has me waiting to try your 6 ,8 don't pass bet!
Yep, mathematically this the way to go. But not sure the math applies to our short term sessions. I prefer place bets as they pay more unless doing 5x or more in odds.
@2:30 hahah I’m dying man check out that … ‘ASS LINE’
What is the benefit of using the come bet as opposed to picking 2 numbers plus the point?
Great video! Great lessons..haven't play a single game of craps but I've a lot from all your videos.. I feel like I've been playing craps all my life after watching your videos...weird..lol thanks for teaching. Can't wait to actually go out n try it.
Appreciate the feedback. Give it a try, it’s a great game.
If I play this strategy, I don't place my odds until all three points are set. In addition, the third point is going to be double the other bets. So 10 on pass, number set, 10 come, number set, 20 come, number set; place odds. This way until all your numbers are set, you have the least amount of odds to lose money unless 2, 3, or 12 roll on your come out bets.
great video[s]. The come is often overlooked at a betting strategy but as shown even with a choppy table you can make a little extra.
You should make another video of the 3 point Molly, but instead doing Pass/Come bets vs Dont Pass/Dont come. Interested in seeing if the light or dark side wins
I have a video a video comparing the two
THat was my thought and I've just been studying to learn. Going to vegas in 2 days. Would it make sense to do some don't come and some come? Or is that potentially offsetting the opportunity you already have?
Tried this strategy in Atlantic City over Labor Day weekend. In for $300, out for $240. Just happened to have a really choppy table at first, got a couple good rolls later on, but it wasn’t enough to make up for my earlier losses. Oh well…
Hey, Jeremy. I love ur videos. I learned how to play from ur videos. I met u at Atlantis n Reno. How do u like living n Reno now. Come out more often. I wish u wish mention more about how much ur betting and wat r the pay outs. Appreciate u.
Awesome! Glad I got to meet you. Im loving Reno. I haven't been out playing much, and been keeping my play quite as Im working on a partnership with one of the local casinos.
Good video! Heading out next week. I’ve been thinking about my approach. My area usually only has $15 and $25 tables. I usually just place the 6 and 8 then cover more if I win. I like the quarter pounder idea, the 66 inside then 88, then regress. I like to get a feel for the table, the dealers, and the numbers being thrown. I know it’s random but I see so many numbers repeat so often. Hope I can find a long roll💥✌🏻
Good luck 🍀 next week
Forget that nonsense. That is scaredy cat play. Go in, take your entire bankroll, and spread it across the numbers as soon as you get the dice. Do not work your bets on the Comeout, and spread them so that they pay close to evenly - don't load up your favorite number, etc. I wouldn't press a dime until you have racked your initial investment. Leave the money on the point number and take full odds as soon as you collect on your first hit. Once you've made a pass, whether it's 2 rolls or 40, take the profit and go enjoy the rest of your free vacation and under no circumstances are you to go home down. Send money orders home if you have to but do not allow even the chance of having a losing trip once you have bagged that first nice pass profit. Thank me later.
@@skinovtheperineum1208 spreads money out and sees big red
@@teach9906 - Negative Nancy!! If it happens, rinse and repeat. Go back to work, save up a few more grand and do it again. You won't hit the bastard every time, and sooner or later, you'll have that dream roll and be betting big all during it. If I had my gambling career to do over again, I would risk it all every time I walked in. Because I've had a few very good rolls and I would have made a quarter million, easy. I'd do 5 years of being broke to hit big like that afterward. Unfortunately, I was Scaredy cat, like mentioned above, and made coffee money instead.
@@skinovtheperineum1208 its a sick way to do it. Risk it all on two throws of the dice possibly. But, I also understand exactly what you are saying. A roll that hits 40+ will make so much that you will be the star of the casino that night.
I'm confused. Unless you play at least double odds, aren't you always winning less money than you would had you just done a place bet or buy bet for the same amount? And this strategy requires you to hit twice (once to place to the come bet and second to hit it) vs just placing/buying it which requires 1 hit and you get more money (again assuming only 1x odds placed). The only positive I can see doing this is the hedge that the money on the Come line gives you against the 7.
if you place a bet on the Come and shooter rolls a seven - do you win the Come bet at even odds just like you would on the Pass Line (but you would crap out and lose the Pass Line bet along with the odds bet made with the Pass Line bet)?
I’ve been working on a strategy myself and would be interested in sending it to you to review and see how it plays out. I’ve used it for 3 sessions of two hours with a $500 dollar bankroll and reset each time I went bust or doubled my money and it worked well where I doubled out 5 times and busted out 3 so it was a mild success not gang busters but pretty fun with lots of action and not just sitting bored playing only the 8 and 6
You can always submit on my dice advice form at www.colorup.club, no promises though
My favorite system. Glad you revisited this one :)
Classic
I use this exact system, except bet the dark side when the table is cold - with sound money management, this definitely works!
Why would you come bet when you could just bet on the 6 and 8? Does it pay off more?
has different advantages, such as its a 7/11 winner for first roll which is a massive 2:1 favorite where as a place bet is always at disadvantage to win. Also come bets allow you to make an additional odds bet. They are just very different bets for different goals.
@@ColorUp
I see. Interesting. I’ve been playing Vegas Stakes on my dad’s Super Nintendo and experimenting with the come bet. You probably shouldn’t back up the come bet with odds if it’s on less likely numbers like the 4 or 10 though, right? Or is the payout adjusted to the likelihood of an unlikely number being rolled?
The payout is adjusted to chance of rolling number, so odds on 4 is just as good as odds on 6. Some people actually prefer because the payoff is so good on less likely numbers.
Only advantage is the 7 or 11 as he mentioned on the Come line. Only putting 1x odds on each bet actually is less money than he he just placed or bought the bet, plus if you imagine he bought/placed right after the initial button placement he would have collected first vs putting the come bet up. I dunno, I see the appeal I guess but it doesn't make sense to me unless you're going 2x odds or if you really think 7 and 11's will be hitting the 2nd roll.
I have been watching your videos for a while now. went out and played craps for the first time yesterday! $300 Bankroll left with $435 after tipping dealers. i'm lucky in Calgary where i am its all $5 tables or $1 bubble craps. Thanks for all the knowledge ! Cheers
Huge fan of your work. I don't miss an episode. Can you tell me which casinos in Colorado that you know for sure have the individual bubble craps machines? Are they in Black Hawk?
Well I moved from Colorado to Reno this past summer. At the time multiple casinos in Blackhawk had the individual bubbles. Can't be specific to what names? But they are all within walking distance, so should be easy to find.
@@ColorUp Oh that's right. Great, thanks.
Hey Jeremy, love the channel. Im wondering about money management. I see it mentioned you want say a 200 bank roll, but then also, you need X amount per shooter. I dont know how to gauge that. Is it, "ok my strategy needs a 44 inside" and I start that and press up from there and then repeat per shooter, or what? So my question... money per shooter. how does that work? Would love to see more about money management. when to stay on single units, when to regress after pressing... but over all how to manage money per shooter. I would also love to see a video about how to start the game. IE, how to go from a cold start with a small amount of my own money laid out, to working the casinos money as I get deeper in the game. "how to start the session" THANKS!
Lot to cover there, and I have over many videos. In a summary, This is how I like to start. Pick a strategy. Let’s say 44 inside. That’s my total investment for that shooter. If some numbers hit, I can press, regress as I’m comfortable, but I’m not going to invest more than that original $44. I personally like to have enough bankroll for 10 shooters in the hopes that gives me a chance if one of them having a great roll. So I’d need $440 total. Once I’ve run through that $440 I reevaluate: am I up? Down? If up do I want to keep playing? Or walk with profit.
Now that’s an easy strategy to figure out, some are more complicated and have multiple stages, in that case what Is the total amount I will have at risk on a particular shooter. I need 10x whatever that amount is. Now this is my ideal situation, sometimes I don’t have a “proper bankroll” and give it a shot anyway, it is gambling after all.
As far as starting from beginning. My personal preference is to start with as little money on table, hope to get some wins and then get my initial money back. I don’t believe in “house money” as it is your winnings, but I feel more comfortable once I have some “winnings” to bet much more aggressive.
@@ColorUp perfect answer that covers all my questions. The starting bet per shooter is exact what I needed to know. Thanks!
Gee golly miss Molly. Like you said, no strategy always wins. Winning is a function of does your strategy pair up with the action of the die.
I asked Chat GPT about a strategy that leverages the player odds, and this exact strategy is what came up. It did say to keep adding the come bets and playing maximum odds, so it just depends on ones risk tolerance.
I asked once and it said it can give suggestions about gambling 😀
@@ColorUp haha I’m using the new paid version of 4 o so maybe it’s different ?
At 18:30 you said "Now remember our odds were off, but our flat bets were a winner." How can the player or the dealer tell/remember that? To me it looked like there wasn't a designation that one was a flat bet vs an odds bet, but I'm quite new so I might be missing something. Been enjoying your videos, thanks a bunch!
Oh I think I might see, you are shading the chips on top to designate they are the "flat bet".
Odds bet is placed on top but shifted forward from the flat or come bet.
Personally enjoy this strategy, but prefer continuing to bet the come until all numbers are covered. Agree you are risking more, but this is also how you can come off the table up big amounts. You have to be comfortable with having 150-200 dollars out there on a 10 dollar based bet...but it can come back to you really quickly and then some if the shooter goes on a hot run.
You are correct, more risk, but when them numbers keep rolling nothing sweeter than keep hearing the dealer saying "off and on" every roll
What am I missing? The $10 was exactly double the $5, why wouldn't the profit be double (no more no less)?
This is the way I play and love it.
Great way to play
This is another strategy I like to employ. It normally works out well for me especially when I have a large bankroll to play with. At times I’ll keep going until I have come bets on all 6 numbers, but that also often goes prematurely sour. I hope to play like this my next visit to Atlantic City.
Good luck in AC
Why don't you just make Place bets across?
@@jimklemens5018Why give up a bigger edge to the house when you don’t have to ?
@@michaelblankenau6598 If you make Place bets, you can collect every time the number rolls.
Great video! I like to think my comment on your '3 hit' video was inspiration when said I'd play two hit (rather than three, and not recover all my front line bet) and then off with the place bets until crap out. And if points hit use some proceeds to press pass line odds. A slow way to play, but reducing the vig %. And nice to have more time for the cocktail service....So given the Vegas Strip is all $25 min for most hours now, what is the vig difference between playing 'three point' on $10 table (with odds), versus just playing $25 with no odds?
The vig on each $10 bet is 14 cents. And the odds carry no vig. The $25 bet would have a vig of 35 cents.
@@ColorUp Thanks...So paying extra 21 cents per hand to play $25 no odds.
I would add at least single Odds to the Come bets on a $25 table.
Please, forgive a newbie question. I’ve been throwing dice on my kitchen table for weeks now and I’ve come up with one really embarrassing question. At a $10 table must all presses be of $10, or is it sufficient that $10 minimum resides on each box? E.g., I hit a 10 pays 14, can I press the six in the eight or do I have to do that in increments of 10?
Great question actually. Once you reach the table minimum, any amount of press is allowed. Technically you could increase to $11, but wouldn’t want to do that because of the rounding of payoffs. So you could go from $10 and press to $15/$18 depending on number. It doesn’t have to increase by ten
Funny thing happened last time in Vegas. Table was hot, everyone was making money, guy walks up, starts dropping his bankroll on don't pass bets and betting against the table, lost 5k in about 20 minutes. I know mathematically it is better, but I am new and I don't want to bet against everyone else's good time. I felt he got what he deserved? Going back to Vegas on the 18th looking forward to using some more starts you have posted! Thanks for all the vids!
You never know, he could have just as easily started winning. Players can play as they choose. We are not betting against each other, we are all betting against the casino.
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You’re not playing against other players . You’re playing against the casino .
The numbers at the end seem off to me. Both players are playing the same strategy, one is betting twice as much as the other but ends up with 175 profit compared to just 35?
I thought the same thing
I think he counted wrong or paid our wrong. They actually shouldn’t be exactly double. Because player 1 is playing $5 and if one of the points is 5 or 9 that doesn’t get paid a whole number. So he was doing $6 which is slightly more than 1x odds while the $10 player would get paid an whole number on 5 or 9. Exactly 1x odds.
For bubble and space craps this is a standard go to for me at 1$ & 3$ levels while I chat or wait or free drawings chuckle.
agreed
My favorite game play is come bet, no odds yet, don't come bet. Then depending on the table and the numbers , I adjust odds, place bets or even an Iron Cross. The goal is to clean the table with hits and finish up with the don't come. Each roller is a different strategy depending on your initial 2 bets. Volatility is +/- $180 on a $15 table. So, if I'm up $180, I chill, if I'm down $180 I walk.
Flexible, nice
Couldn't you play the same but play the don't come either exclusively or off and on and hedge against the 7 a bit? I'm completely new but thought they work similarly but opposite.
Sure, but you have to keep in mind anytime you hedge to prevent a loss. You are also preventing a win so the best kind of canceled each other out.
I'm new to the game and I have been watching live games and I have a question. If I have a place bet on say like the 5 and the come out roll is a 5 why is that bet moved? Can I stay on the 5 or is that bad form? Btw I love your videos. I've learned a lot and hope to put it into action soon!
My guess is that you have a pass line bet acting? That’s the only reason to take the place bet on the five down. If you’re betting the pass and the point is established as 5, then the five rolling wins you money without the place bet so a lot of dealers will assume you don’t want the place bet anymore. You can use the money that was on the five to cover a different number and increase your chances of winning money on the next roll with the same amount at risk.
@gary hoggard gave you good answer, dealers assume you already have it bet with a pass line. Best option is to use it for odds if you want to bet more money on that number. Next option is to just move to a different number. if odds are maxed out on number and you want to bet more, you certainly are allowed to just tell the dealers leave place bet where it’s at
@@ColorUp as it turned out I found the answer on another one of your videos and now I understand perfectly. Thank you both!
@@waynelacroix8870 Did you have a Pass line bet?
I dont understand the way you pay and place odds: The 5 and 9, for example, have true odds of 3:2 and that is what you seem to be paying out; however, the payout odds are 7:5; likewise the six and the eight are 6:5, respectifully for true odds with payouts at 7:6. Why the descreptancy? I saw you for instance pay out the single better $11 and the double better $22. could you please how you came to that calculaion. I think I know my error. Come bets pay true odds. The odds I cited previously are place odds. Correct?
The odds bet pays the true odds. When you make place bets, they pay less than true odds. The payout amounts you mentioned are correct for place bets. 7:6 for 6&8, 6:5 for 5&9, 9:5 for 4&10. This video covered odds bet which are different than place bets.
@@ColorUp yes I followed up with that. Thank you
Instead of a come line bet, it seems that if you just place the numbers you are not missing out on one roll. Am I missing something? With a come, that number has to hit twice before you benefit, increasing the chance of a seven being rolled before that happens.
Well, it doesn’t increase chance of 7 showing as that chance is always 1 in 6. But the come has the benefit of winning with the 7, that is only real reason to play it. That and if you plan on playing odds. It is a highly debated topic for sure. Many players opt to just go with place bets.
Yep, just Place bet the numbers you want. Easier to press and you can remove or reduce them any time you want.
Hi sir i just want to ask "" what computation did you use, on how to get the 1.41% house advantage on Passline bet? Thanks.
The place bet has a higher house advantage, except for the 6 and 8. The thing you are missing is that a come bet is actually just betting on a number to hit once in the same way a pass line does
I wonder if there is a strategy where you go “off” on your place bets for the first roll after a point is established, then back on if it’s not a 7. It seems like you are more likely to 7 out on the first roll, I’ve seen it so many times. Why not just wait 1 roll?
why does it seem more likely for 7 to roll on first roll? you certainly could turn your bets off. I would question that though… I think it might be more a case of confirmation bias, you remember when it happens, and forget all the times it doesn’t happen 🤷♂️
If the pass line with an odds bet has the smallest house edge why would you need a system or ever place any other bets?
Surely the best strategy is to bet Pass every round with the maximum allowed odds and never touch anything else?
That is correct. That would be best way to play with minimum amount money risked. Adding additional come bets with odds doesn’t effect math, just effects your bankroll and puts more money at risk. Reason people don’t play that way is simple boredom. They want more action.
Don't Pass has the lowest house edge.
So.....which bet pays better:
A *5* Put(or come point) with $10 flat and $15 in odds?
Or
Place *5* for $25 ??
Place bets of equivalent amount pay better until you are at 5x odds or more. Line bets advantages are the come out roll, and lower house edge. Place bets pay better up to a certain point and can be removed anytime. They both have advantages and disadvantages, play the bets you prefer.
Love this system. I always use this with my friends that want to try craps for the first time.
You could also teach your friends to Place bet the 6 and 8. Super simple.
... nice shootin', Tex.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile
Why do you want the dice off the bad numbers?
Hitting 5 straight horn numbers to die for!
hey Jeremy, where did you get the wooden lamer holder you got there for the buttons?
Vegas gamblers general store website
cool thank you sir!
Excuse my ignorance, but why make 2 Come bets instead just place bets on 6 & 8?
Just part of strategy, certainly could go with 6/8
Right at the beginning you show that Don't Pass is better...but throw the math right out the window and say inexplicably that "most players don't play that"
Seriously WTF?
Using pure and true math I would think playing Don't Pass and loading up as much as possible on the Odds bet would be the best bet . Can someone explain to me why this isn't the only bet anyone ever plays in craps because it lowers the house edge the most out of any bet sstrategy.
As a statistician, I'd day this isn't quite the best mathematical way to play. You should play Don't Pass and take maximum odds. If you make any other bets, it should be don't come with maximum odds. However, like he says playing the pass and come bets with maximum odds is very close to just as good. Also you don't have to lay out as much money to play the Pass and Come.
Ya I didn't understand making a Come bet with only 1x odds. Thats literally less money than you'd get had you just done a place bet or buy bet for the same amount. So this strategy would only be better than placing/buying if you did minimum 2x odds for each Come bet.
An enjoyable video, BUT your comment at the very end.. Beating " The Stock Market " was a poor analogy. As a " Professional Day Trader " for over 20 yrs...is not a good example ! Anyone who has ever " Day Traded" knows what I mean.
Practicing with an app on my iPhone. Endless supply of fake money. The app is just rolling 7s almost 100% of the time, at the most inopportune moment. Maybe a real table is harder to rig, but it is a terrible strategy on my iPhone app.
I've used this method for years. Works great if the shooter is hitting the numbers. I always do 3/4/5 times odds. I avoid casinos that allow only 2x odds.
Great play when numbers are rolling
I think the strength of this strategy is that a table can be somewhat "cold" and you can break even or maybe scratch out a small gain. Because of those two come bets, a table can struggle to make points but I can hit 1, 2, or 3 come bets before losing on the pass bet. I also place 6 & 8 after the come out to pay for odds on come bets.
When you bet the come is it always on you can’t turn it off correct
Correct
Twice the risk earned 5x profit. Nice
once the ten hit, why wouldn't you take it down and start a new come bet?
? Can you provide a time stamp for you question
The only winning edge is not to play this game,unless you are a controlled shooter with a bank roll.
If controlled shooting was a real thing, yes that would be only way to gain an edge.
Great Video! Through my testing this strategy doesn't do so great ! It's pretty much a bankroll management strategy that breaks even or loses money overtime! Just my opinion of course but thanks for all you do brother
Well, they all lose money over time so 🤷♂️
Do you like this or Heavy's Heatseeking more?
Heavy heat seaking is much more conservative than this. Just depends on your goals.
I was just curious if you had a preference like what you might actually play more often using your own $.. since they both have similar mechanics in the Come.. guess just depends how much risk you feel like taking any given night lol
I lean towards the heat seaker when o only have limited budget heading to casino. I will also play it a lot of times at meetups with fans, as I know I’ll be able to stick around long time with little money
Can you do same but don’t pass and don’t come for 3 points ?
Yes you can. as far as a video of it? Ive done it before somewhere in my back catalog of videos
Is $300 bankroll ideal for every $5 table?
Yeah, you can play most any strategy with that amount
Does anyone gamble with come odds working on the come out? It's a great bet anytime regardless of which phase of the roll...
With come bets, you really don’t want to see a 7 at anytime, even on a new come out roll, as your established bets would lose, so it makes sense to have your odds working.
I need more action personally lol. I think 36 builder is my favorite strategy. Requires you to pay attention a little more but I like having pretty much everything covered. Also fairly easy to win back your initial investment.
Sure, although this is “mathematically” the best way to play, it is not a guaranteed winner, and in fact is a guaranteed loser over time. Play the way you enjoy the most, and good luck!🍀
Why not just place bets instead of the come bet ?
This strategy just happens to use come bets.
can you press these come bets if you win?
You can. First press the odds until maxed out. Then I would start increasing the come bets you are replacing numbers with. Technically you can increase a come bet and odds at one time after its already on a number, and that is called a put bet, but not recommended.
Where cab I buy some real casino dice
I currently don’t have any. Check with Hawaii craps shooters
I've run this on my craps sim. This strat seems to really suck. If the rolls hit, you can get up briefly, but it is quick to fail all the way to zero. I could definitely be wrong. But this seems like pure gambling with little strategy. But like I said, I could be wrong. -- And it seems that most of the money won in your "sim" was from the pass line and pass line odds. I wonder what you actually gained from the COME/point bets. There is no hedge. 7 destroys. What is the actual strategy here other than stopping at 2 COME points?
Run any strategy or series of bets thru a sim. They will all end at zero eventually. The casino has an edge on every single bet. You can’t win long term, you have to take advantage of short term luck and beat the odds.
@@ColorUp Well, yes. I didn't put it on loop. I ran it manually and quickly busted and after the third quick bust stopped. So maybe just my rolls were off. I just didn't see a "strategy" that fits for me I guess.
@@stanleymyrick4068 I never play this way, but it’s one of most famous strategies. All the old books on craps in 1950-1980s all recommend. I guess due to low house edge. But that’s useless if you can’t roll your numbers.
@@ColorUp "I never play this way" Well that will make two of us. ;)
Why are profits so different $35 vs $175
The bets are not 5 times more than the other
SOMETHING IS WRONG
The 4/6/8/10 the $10 should win or lose double. The 5/9 do skew numbers. $5 player is betting $6 in odds to win $9 and $10 is betting $10 to win $15. Sometimes I just put odds of $10 on the $5 player so he was losing just as much as $10 player. But if you can find any mistakes, let me know with a time stamp.
The casino in my town has 1000x odds. The horseshoe
This was the first system I learned and I stopped playing it when I learned how bad it was at a corporate retreat (we had a casino night)
The true payout of the odds only makes sense at 10x, but the problem with this strategy is that a number has to hit twice before it get pays
It is still smarter to just do place bets and not go through the Come/pass line
Well 5x and above table and line+odds pays equal or more than place bets, so 10x is not necessary. Hitting the number twice is a little inaccurate. The first roll is a different stage of game, where a 7/11 wins which is a big advantage. After point established, the number only has to roll once to win. they are very different bets and both have their advantages and disadvantages.
This unrelenting furor insisting the Come bet “number has to hit twice before it gets paid” is obfuscatory twaddle. At the time you made the contract, and accepted the Pass Line or Come Bet proposition offered by the house, there WAS no specific number-that, sure as shite, nobody said anything about hitting twice. At that point in time (between dice decisions), if you looked down and “knew” it’s value, that you would have to make twice, well-you’ve GOT to be PSYkick.
And, once it’s made, do you seriously expect your chances decline because you made it once?
Dice can’t remember!
But, just for giggles, let us hypothecate that you DO need to “make it twice”-absurd as that sounds in a test of independent trials.
At least the Come bet number DID show once-…which is something your Place Bet that you picked to repeat may never do, at any time you are on it!
Looks like a new table
A few months now yes
Why is it called "Molly"?
Ha, that question, I do not have answer for
I miss the road gambler.
It's still a bad idea to have four or five beds out there
unless all four or five bets hit and win?
Mathematically the 7 has a higher chance of hitting more than any other number. You’d be better off playing the Don’t Pass, MAYBE hop the 7s to hedge the come out roll a little, place the 6/8 since they hit more than the other numbers besides the 7, then go through the DC or just lay the 4/10.
Mathematically wouldn’t a pass line bet along with odds and a place bet on 6 and 8 be a better option?
No, the 6/8 although great bet, carries a little higher house edge of 1.52%. If you are playing the dice probability game though, choosing to bet the 6/8 instead of letting the dice decide what number you bet on is a great option and I have a video coming out later this week, addressing just that.
@@ColorUp looking forward to seeing the next video. Personally I've never liked betting in the come, because you have to roll the number twice before you win. Love your videos, keep them coming, and thanks so much for what you do for us.
It turns out, a * temporary * place Six &/or Eight bet CAN further optimize the Two Point / Three point Simple Ponzer ( described widely as Three Point Molly ). See THE CRAPS PLAY OPTIMIZER by Gary Collopy.
Yeah, when said "the 3 kinda negates the 11 ... ', I had to turn off b.c. this is obviously Amateur stuff. That kind of TUNNEL VISION will mathematically break you! The BIGGER PICTURE is (as always) in the DICE COMBINATIONS - 2 6 sided dice makes for 36 possibilities on every roll. NOW, looking at your DON'T PASS initial wager - where a 7 or 11 will make for a one roll loser - THAT'S 8 dice combos total that lose, compared to 4 Combo's that win with the 2, 3 or 12 rolled. Sure, there's 2 Combo's for the 11 (loser) and 2 for the 3... But getting into "they balance out" is just getting into 'Hocus Pocus' type stuff. No they don't 'Balance Out'. Know that with 8 combos to lose, and 4 to win (3 actually, as 1 is a 'push') when not rolling one of the other 24 combo possibilities ( which would establish a POINT) the DP is at an initial 2 to 1 disadvantage.. before a point is established. That's the only coherently mathematical way to look at it accurately.. "Balance Out" is 3rd grade level Snake Oil'... just sayin
Thanks for watching a few moments of video, before turning off and leaving comment
3 is tops
Whenever you start on the "Pass" line you're automatically wrong!!!
Why? The house edge on the Don't Pass and Come is about the same as the Pass and come? There is no statistical difference. Some people just think they are betting WITH the house when they truly aren't.
Thanks for the information, its a little vague though
Far from the mathematically best way to play. Place betting only requires one hit to get paid, and more control.
According to the Casino house edge, it is better mathematically. Place betting will have a higher house edge or vig, and will lose more money over time. But place betting certainly has many advantages.
I keep seeing "ASS LINE"
See a horn, bet a horn
That’s what some would say
Come bets lose on the come out if a seven rolls, Risky.
established come bets lose with any 7. A new come bet when made actually wins with 7 or 11.
Yes, just like the pass line bet. One of the least risky bets in the casino.
I can't watch this anymore...but I will offer up some stats: for every 31 times the 6(Or 8) is the point ..the shooter will make 13 of those...and miss 13 of those and MISS 5 OF THOSE 100% OF THE TIME....FOR EVERY "28" TIMES A 5 (or 9) is the point...,(or on a Don't come obviously) 10 times it Will be made 10 times IT WILL NOT..and EIGHT TIMES...it will be MISSED 100% OF THE TIME.. On the 4 or 10...OF THE 26 TIMES It BECOMES THE POINT Or DC...8 times it will be made, 8 times it will be missed AND 10 TIMES IT WILL BE MISSED 100% You guys been brainwashed forever....believe what you wish. You all will probably never figure it out.
If the game follows the math and dice probability, no matter how you play is a losing proposition. The game is about beating the odds, and taking advantage of discrepancies in the probability chart.
This is so misleading for beginners., even if true. NO ONE should bet on odds as they have NO actual effect on wagers. They are TRUE ODDS wagers as you stated. Over the long haul they make no difference and you didn't say that , not that I heard.
I say it all the time. I’m kinda famous for not promoting odds bet.
Actually both of you should be considered wrong! As the "Odds" bet pays the true full odds. There is NO HOUSE advantage built into the bets. Over the long run you will break even where as on any of the Point numbers the house will certainly win it's expected percentage. So - If YOU don't play the odds bets - Please allow me to put my money on your Pass-line and Come bet amounts. I Guarantee you both - I will fare better than both of you. And "KNOW" this - OVER the long - run... You will lose nothing on the Odds-Bets! Now I am sure you are both scratching your silly heads. Thinking I don't know what I am talking about. Sorry...but I DO!!!! And I suspect you will do some research and come to the same obvious conclusion and that I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT
You will lose nothing, but also win nothing over the long run with odds bet. It just creates variance which could work for or against you depending on if you are rolling points back or not.
James - Sorry if I came across a bit harsh and insulting in my previous post. But I was 100% correct. And neither this video nor any other Craps Video will help you win or lose any more or any less. Your win / loss (amounts) depend solely on which game you play at the table and the amounts of the bets you play. And there are MANY different games to play at the Craps Table and they have different Win / Loss Odds and expected win / loss amounts! To be Honest - CRAPS is a COMPLETE NO BRAINER of a GAME! A Blind Monkey throwing chips on the table plays exactly as good as you or I!!!! Yes a 100% No-Brainer. The same as Roulette, Slots, The big Wheel, Baccarat or whatever new games they invent to entice the player(s). ONLY BJ takes Brains to play and out of 100 BJ Players you see in the Casino - “MAYBE” 1 out of One-Hundred really plays correctly. Again- Sorry if I am being insulting. I do not intend to be. But I just do not like anyone thinking they can play Craps any better than ANYONE ELSE. They CAN’T!!!!!! "HOW to play" videos are OK but do not think there is a best way to play.
@@ColorUp Yes - Now you are correct !!!!! But do not forget to tell your students - That over the long run you will be even on your Odds Bets and Certainly be DOWN on All other bets you might play. And I am not knocking you personally. You are doing your thing. But to suggest there is a better or worse way to play is misleading. If you intent is to TEACH others ...then OK... but 9,999,999 out of 1,000,000,000Craps Videos on TH-cam then to be misleading (or simply incorrect) making the novice to think there may be a BEST way to play. And you know there is NOT! Anyway - If you do play - I wish you the best of luck! I like seeing players taking chips from the tables!
When you say it's better then "Any" other method that's a dam lie!!! Say that you know of!!! Misleading viewers! I play daily in Vegas and smash this sillyness!
Mathematically it is the best way to lose the least amount of money. Every bet has a negative expectation, you can’t win long term. Many strategies are more aggressive and will win lots more money at any given lucky session. Are you saying you are a lifetime winner and win daily? If so I believe you are being misleading or untruthful.