Love it. I run a BBSHD asi 855 72V on a Diamondback mission pro full suspension and it just rips. Chainline is always the biggest challenge with these bikes.
Any way to get a motor on the opposite side? Also of you let the air out of the front shock does it hit the battery? My Niner WFO E9 has been in the shop for a while. Still getting the run around. I ordered a decoy last week, but it wont be here till January. Looks like neither bike is gonna be around soon so debating on converting my Enduro. But all the builds have the motor hanging down and I hit my chainring at times on some of my obstacles. So for my purpose the motor cant be hanging down.
Do you have a video of a conversion of a touring bike? I have a Surly Disc Trucker I thought would make a great ebike. The setup you did here looks really good. Thx!
I have my controller mounted there, moved it 2 times, finally let the air our of shock, and got it right, I would bet money 💰 half way through the compression its going to hit, check out the sag rubber band, halfway. You're good until you ride it hard, sounds like thidddd, battery pack might just get nocked off, hope he can make it happen, I have also pondered same thing because down hill bikes have minimal spots to mount one
Great build Johnny. It seems a lot running the BBS02 at 25 amps on a 52 v battery. Do you get many controller failures at 25 amps? I run mine at 20a on a 48 v battery. Fine so far 2000 miles in.
Yes pedal assist not torque sensing I have the same setup on my 29” I built I had to use the Lekkie chainring for alignment never had the chain come off bike fly’s with a 48volt 17ah battery
@@fakemagic105 My bike that was stolen almost two years before I got into Ebike conversions was a Giant. Would have been great for converting with any motor. Hub or Mid Drive.
You will Crush the Bottom Bracket of a Carbon Fiber bike if there is no Metal Sleeve there when you tighten the Motor Securing nut. A Road bike that light should be left alone and enjoyed as a pedal bike. You spent too much money on a nice bike to add 16 lbs for the motor and battery. You're better off converting a Metal Mountain bike with disc brakes for Crash durability and ease of install. 750 Watts = 1 hp, a Bafang motor can do @ 1400 Watts Peak. The average human generates around 250 Watts. That heavier bike will be fast enough.
Ok, I’m sure this question has been asked and I’m sure I already know the answer to it. Yet, I still wanna know if it could be done. If you have two E motors that are similar in output. One being a mid drive and one being a front hub drive. Can they work together on one bike at the same time. One pushes and the other pulls. I know they will differences between the two, but dang that would be awesome to see if it could be done.
I would say HD all the way I have both HD on this bike he reviewed and an 02 on a giant hybrid.the HD has so much more tourq a.the HD uses less power I would have never thought that
@@thomascarter3735 yes it's really hilly where I live and the extra tourqe from the HD really helps even playing with sprokets I'm sold on the HD it's worth the little more money I think it is much more robust and will last longer
M625 1000w ,after 5 weeks ,2 bust freehubs ,2 chains destroyed,3 internal motor bearings replaced ....just so you know before you buy ,great fun just a pain in the ass
Hello Mark. Do you use the gears correctly? I run a BBS02 and BBSHD and zero issues on motor or bike parts. I'm not saying you dont use the gears but just find it odd all the issues you are having with the motor and the drive components.
@@JohnSmith-ch9lp Hi John,I have a gear sensor fitted but still partially operate the rear break to cut the power momentarily while I change gear . I'm a heavier rider 120 kg ,my route is hilly ,so the drive train is under stress,I start out on power level one and only ride upto level three. Most cyclists only ever put out 250 to 350 watts,the m625 goes upto 1450 peak,that extra power is accelerating wear.
@@markmiller5577 OK Mark, thanks for that. I programmed both my motors with the programming cable so that power came in more gently. However the M625 is the 'new' BBSHD and I dont think as yet they can be programmed. Maybe being a heavier rider will put more strain on the motor (particularly uphill) and drive train (I'm 80kilos). I operate mine generally in the 100-500 watt range and very very occasionally (rarely) up to 1000w so maybe my ride style is easier. I make full use of the gears and sort of ride (gear change wise) as if it didnt have a motor. Anyway hopefully things settle down and it all comes a little more reliable. Regards.
@@JohnSmith-ch9lp Hi John,I always pedal to help the motor , unfortunately the bike is going on sale,I absolutely love it ,I just can not spend more time repairing it than riding it .
You crush the Bottom Bracket on a CF bike when you tighten the motor mounting nut. People can epoxy a hard metal sleeve there, but it may not fit thru existing hole. Easier to work with a metal bike and it should handle a crash better than CF.
Johnny, I posted on your forum but I'm not sure if that is the best way to contact you short of a consultation. BUT... if you say you can help me I will pay the consult fee and have you build my project. I would like a 750w ebike with one complicated adaptation. I want to be able to charge the bike with a generator while riding. Possible secondary choice would be a second battery or charging setup that allows me to swap between 2 batteries. I will be building a lightweight bike trailer and a small generator could easily fit on there. I want to go loooong distances. Cross country. I have seen solar setups. A generator should be doable. Please help me.
I don’t think so, unless they’re replacing it with something slightly updated, either way you can still find bbshd kits everywhere and I doubt they’ll be oos anytime soon
It's not getting discontinued any time soon. Super foolish business decision from Bafang. He's discussed this in live streams. 02 and HD are top selling conversion kits from Bafang.
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That's great it comes with a handle under the seat.
Love it. I run a BBSHD asi 855 72V on a Diamondback mission pro full suspension and it just rips. Chainline is always the biggest challenge with these bikes.
Take some of those cassette rings out!
Any way to get a motor on the opposite side? Also of you let the air out of the front shock does it hit the battery?
My Niner WFO E9 has been in the shop for a while. Still getting the run around.
I ordered a decoy last week, but it wont be here till January.
Looks like neither bike is gonna be around soon so debating on converting my Enduro.
But all the builds have the motor hanging down and I hit my chainring at times on some of my obstacles.
So for my purpose the motor cant be hanging down.
Do you have a video of a conversion of a touring bike? I have a Surly Disc Trucker I thought would make a great ebike. The setup you did here looks really good. Thx!
Great build Johnny. Just wondering what year this frame is?
Hi johnny, do you think a conversion is possible with the current specialized dnduro ?
What's the ground clearance in inches there, to the BBS02?
Is it a good idea to replace the front fork on a bike to get more battery clearance like what this bike already has?
It definitely can be. It ultimately depends on what the rider is going for. Might be better to find a more suitable frame.
What year is the Specialized Enduro?
Pretty sure the front wheel will hit the battery in full compression
Yeah, he needs to test it with the air removed from the fork and fully compress it.
I'm damn sure he knows wtf he's talking about.
About 99.999% positive but not during regular street riding
@@SmokeyTreats you probably don't lol
I have my controller mounted there, moved it 2 times, finally let the air our of shock, and got it right, I would bet money 💰 half way through the compression its going to hit, check out the sag rubber band, halfway. You're good until you ride it hard, sounds like thidddd, battery pack might just get nocked off, hope he can make it happen, I have also pondered same thing because down hill bikes have minimal spots to mount one
Great build Johnny. It seems a lot running the BBS02 at 25 amps on a 52 v battery. Do you get many controller failures at 25 amps? I run mine at 20a on a 48 v battery. Fine so far 2000 miles in.
No issues
Is this motor pedal assist and throttle controlled?
Yes pedal assist not torque sensing I have the same setup on my 29” I built I had to use the Lekkie chainring for alignment never had the chain come off bike fly’s with a 48volt 17ah battery
I like your videos and website.
Could you please try a bac2000 cyc x1 pro gen 2 build please?
That is a great idea especially since Johnny is so into mid drives. 😀
What do u think about the giant talon bikes?
I converted a Giant Talon its great
@@fakemagic105 My bike that was stolen almost two years before I got into Ebike conversions was a Giant. Would have been great for converting with any motor. Hub or Mid Drive.
@@ChrisBFerguson mid drive
Do you not recommend converting carbon fiber bikes? I wanted to convert my Giant Defy Advanced 1 road bike.
You will Crush the Bottom Bracket of a Carbon Fiber bike if there is no Metal Sleeve there when you tighten the Motor Securing nut.
A Road bike that light should be left alone and enjoyed as a pedal bike. You spent too much money on a nice bike to add 16 lbs for the motor and battery.
You're better off converting a Metal Mountain bike with disc brakes for Crash durability and ease of install. 750 Watts = 1 hp, a Bafang motor can do @ 1400 Watts Peak. The average human generates around 250 Watts. That heavier bike will be fast enough.
I have a 2015 Specialized Enduro. Do you sell a kit for it?
Just put a CYC photon on an older specialized enduro expert. So far lovin it.
Ok, I’m sure this question has been asked and I’m sure I already know the answer to it. Yet, I still wanna know if it could be done. If you have two E motors that are similar in output. One being a mid drive and one being a front hub drive. Can they work together on one bike at the same time. One pushes and the other pulls. I know they will differences between the two, but dang that would be awesome to see if it could be done.
i have a 1000w bafang with a 52v battery on a 52 tooth lekkie and can only top out at 35. Am i doing something wrong?
Are you pedaling with it? How much do you weigh? Those are factors. Could be that it’s geared too high actually. I hit 35 on a 36t throttle only
@@JohnnyNerdOut I am 190lbs and with pedal assist 9 full throttle im getting 35
I have DOUZE Cycle Cargo Bike would bbs02 750w setup work
Hi can anyone help me out? Is it really worth the extra £150~ more for a BBSHD rather than an 02?
I would say HD all the way I have both HD on this bike he reviewed and an 02 on a giant hybrid.the HD has so much more tourq a.the HD uses less power I would have never thought that
@@willrobertson826 Thanks for the reply, will go for the HD
@@thomascarter3735 yes it's really hilly where I live and the extra tourqe from the HD really helps even playing with sprokets I'm sold on the HD it's worth the little more money I think it is much more robust and will last longer
how is this just as fast as your 1000w bafang builds?
HD is overpriced. 02 is not.
@@ChrisBFerguson eh i dont know, as an owner of a bbs02 for over 4 years now, I wish I had paid the extra $150 or so for the HD
@@doctadrey3000 I have a BBS02 as well. I love it.
Can you please tell me how much you weigh, I’m interested to see how weight effects performance.
I'm 190, I have the bbs02 on a haro beasley I pull the weehoo trailer uphill no need for pedaling it's strong and fast easy 33mph
Love your builds, I'm a builder myself, I wouldn't dream of mounting a battery like that, looks terrible.
Where would you put it? On the top tube?
AwesomEr bike.
M625 1000w ,after 5 weeks ,2 bust freehubs ,2 chains destroyed,3 internal motor bearings replaced ....just so you know before you buy ,great fun just a pain in the ass
Hello Mark. Do you use the gears correctly? I run a BBS02 and BBSHD and zero issues on motor or bike parts. I'm not saying you dont use the gears but just find it odd all the issues you are having with the motor and the drive components.
@@JohnSmith-ch9lp Hi John,I have a gear sensor fitted but still partially operate the rear break to cut the power momentarily while I change gear .
I'm a heavier rider 120 kg ,my route is hilly ,so the drive train is under stress,I start out on power level one and only ride upto level three.
Most cyclists only ever put out 250 to 350 watts,the m625 goes upto 1450 peak,that extra power is accelerating wear.
@@markmiller5577 OK Mark, thanks for that. I programmed both my motors with the programming cable so that power came in more gently. However the M625 is the 'new' BBSHD and I dont think as yet they can be programmed. Maybe being a heavier rider will put more strain on the motor (particularly uphill) and drive train (I'm 80kilos). I operate mine generally in the 100-500 watt range and very very occasionally (rarely) up to 1000w so maybe my ride style is easier. I make full use of the gears and sort of ride (gear change wise) as if it didnt have a motor. Anyway hopefully things settle down and it all comes a little more reliable. Regards.
@@JohnSmith-ch9lp Hi John,I always pedal to help the motor , unfortunately the bike is going on sale,I absolutely love it ,I just can not spend more time repairing it than riding it .
@@markmiller5577 I agree, it cant be any fun not having confidence it its reliability. It spoils the pleasure of cycling.
If you bought the specialized bike pre made it’s over $5000.00 and this one’s more powerful
Or you can buy a Luna X2 Enduro for 4 and it will not be a science experiment.
Why would you have been hesitant about doing an ebike build with a carbon fiber frame?
it's frame may not be able to take the extra load of battery and motor.
You crush the Bottom Bracket on a CF bike when you tighten the motor mounting nut. People can epoxy a hard metal sleeve there, but it may not fit thru existing hole.
Easier to work with a metal bike and it should handle a crash better than CF.
Johnny, I posted on your forum but I'm not sure if that is the best way to contact you short of a consultation. BUT... if you say you can help me I will pay the consult fee and have you build my project.
I would like a 750w ebike with one complicated adaptation. I want to be able to charge the bike with a generator while riding. Possible secondary choice would be a second battery or charging setup that allows me to swap between 2 batteries. I will be building a lightweight bike trailer and a small generator could easily fit on there. I want to go loooong distances. Cross country. I have seen solar setups. A generator should be doable. Please help me.
So what is the deal with BBSHD? Is it officially discontinued? Hard to get a straight answer anywhere so I thought this would be a good place to ask.
I don’t think so, unless they’re replacing it with something slightly updated, either way you can still find bbshd kits everywhere and I doubt they’ll be oos anytime soon
It's not getting discontinued any time soon. Super foolish business decision from Bafang. He's discussed this in live streams. 02 and HD are top selling conversion kits from Bafang.