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SHOULD YOU USE LONGER SHAFTS IN YOUR GOLF CLUBS!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- SHOULD YOU USE LONGER SHAFTS IN YOUR GOLF CLUBS!?DOES HAVING LONGER SHAFTS MEAN MORE DISTANCE IN ALL YOUR GOLF CLUBS? We all want to hit longer golf shots... what's the easiest way of hitting the golf ball further? is it by increasing clubbed speed? increasing ball speed? and potentially hitting all your golf clubs further? the big debate recently has been about driver shaft lengths, Bryson DeChambeau was testing a 48 inch driver shaft at the masters in an attempt to over over power the golf course and shoot lower scores. it didn't quite work this time... so how much difference does having longer golf clubs make? longer shafts in your golf clubs... should you do it? lets find out... and lets do it now!
I’m 6’2” n lengthened my irons 3” over standard. This has really helped my back. It promote a lateral turn covering the ball instead of the drop down under and lift up motion with a lot of back leg push.
Really interesting to hear this. I'm 6'1" and weigh 90kg and have more steroid injections than I care to remember, followed by microdiscectomy surgery at L5/S1 and sacroiliac joint fusion surgery and although I now walk 6km five days a week and swim three times a week, bending is not something my back likes and it can flair up from time to time resulting in the usual symptoms for someone like me, e.g. spasm, nerve pain down the leg etc etc... but these are short blips thankfully
I'm 46 and stopped playing golf 10 years ago due to back pain, which the surgeries have now improved. I was playing off a handicap of 15 when I very very very reluctantly admitted defeat and quit the game due to pain that became both chronic and unmanagable. My clubs were 2nd hand regular spec off the shelf clubs and always felt too small for me in hindsight.
Now I'm keen to start golfing again, and have practiced hitting a few balls with a 4 hybrid (i.e. long club) with a changed swing, i.e. using a lateral turn as you describe.
Can you tell me what clubs you are using please? what shaft flex and weight etc? are the clubs all one length? where you got them etc please?
I've gone for a club fitting which was a waste of time as the club fitter didn't get someone with requirements like mine, i.e. he was just saying, yeah you need +1" senior flex graphite with standard lie angle. This may be correct for my swing speed and my dimensions etc, but it's not correct when viewing the golfer as a whole, i.e. a +1" 9 iron is still too short for me to be comfortable. Getting out playing the game once a week is my priority, not getting a low handicap or shooting great scores, playing 18 would be like winning the lotto after the years of pain and sleepless nights I enduring before the final sacroiliac joint fusion surgery. In the worst nights of pain, after being poked and prodded like a lab rat, when at times I felt like giving in and felt like accepting the Oxy the doctors prescribed me (which thankfully i never did), what kept me going was the pure determination that I would walk pain free again, that I would swim again and that I would golf again and I wouldn't stop until relentlessly trying, pushing doctors to think outside the box, until eventually after years the sacroiliac joint surgery gave me my life back. Therefore the likes of +3" really interests me as this sounds like just what i need. Really appreciate any info from you (thanks if you had had the patience to read this far!!!)
Do you find you get a lot more club head speed?
James. All my clubs are 6 iron length. The distance is about the same. Here what works for me. I am 75 yeats old with a bad back. 6- 0. Tall 130 lb.I wear a back brace to play. The longer length makes me stand taller at address I did adjust lie angel. I have less back issues while i play. Keep up the good work. Alan Hemmersbach. Brdenton , fl. Usa
Great suff! great topic...conflicting data on google saying anywhere from 1 inch =1 mph (=2yards) to another saying 1/2 inch =1.5mph (3yards)
Debunks the great marketing push to appeal to the power hungry consumers and selling longer shafts. Studies also say you may gain minimal club head speed but your smash factor will most certainly go down giving you less distance (the longer driver is harder to hit in the sweet spot time after time). The same study said most golfers should not be using a driver over 45 inches.
Many men pros don't go over 45inches on their driver...cam champ44 1/4 hovland 44 3/4 fowler went from 44 3/4 to 43 1/2 and still hits it 300 .
Tommy Fleetwood D 44 3/4, 3w 42 1/2, 5w 41 1/4, 7w 41.
Tommy Fleetwood grips down in on all of his clubs about inch, if you have a look. But good point, its just to do with you height and angel of impact on the golf ball.
@@chriswilkins222 www.golfwrx.com/640380/tommy-fleetwood-witb-2020-masters/ ... I was surprised even the 3w by 1/2 inch & 5 wood 3/4inch ,1 1/4 compared to some 5woods now 42.5
This vid is making me want to try the Cobra one length.
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You should.
@@fredmarks6949 i think i might just. I've only just been gaming cobra cb /mb since July but it may well be worth looking into the forged tec irons one length.
I gamed the Sterling one length irons and was fitted for them and I had one hell of a time with the 8-SW irons, no matter what lie angle they were bent to, I still pulled all shots left by 10-30 yards, and the shorter long irons were a bit shorter distance than my standard length irons I normally played. I was really consistent with the 7-4 irons , but struggled with the short irons, I played them one season and went back to my old standard length irons.
Not saying they are bad for anyone, as one of my playing partners actually went and bought the Cobra one length ( after hitting my Sterlings ) and he improved his game and still plays them after 3 seasons!
@@darrell3118 i have a bit of lateral movement on my short irons . Always done it, but recently I've had a few lessons and I'm not doing it anywhere near as much but it's when I get to the 7 iron i don't do it at all. Probably be a good thing for me.
Nice vid. My clubs are ping silver dot with inch and a quarter longer then standard with KBS 125 shaft, they are absolute weapons :) if hit right.
Another enjoyable video guy’s and always look forward to watching you both on a Saturday
I'm about 6"3 and added 1.5 inch onto my jpx irons (didn't get fitted) and I feel so much more comfortable but noticed I had to straighten my arms more to stop the ball going left.
Good man 🤘🏼🔥⛳️
Lengthening 1.5" means your 9-iron lie angle should now be the same as your 6-iron was before. You need to adjust them approx 1.5 degrees flatter.
How has this been for you since you lengthened your irons? I’m also 6”3 but playing with regular length shafts on my irons and thinking about getting the shafts extended
@@morgandunn9335 Its far better than the original length, iv become much more consistent on all irons.
As the above comment mentioned though with lie angle being off my 9 iron does go similar distance to my friends 7/8 when I compare, but I don't find it an issue as I have 56+52 degree wedges and I never got used to the irons at regular as they were new when I lengthened them.
@@stres7288 did you lengthen your wedges?
The increase in spin may help hold the green. It would be interesting to see a 5 iron comparison.
Yeah it would Kevo, I may have to steal jigs clubs lol
Interesting video lads. One thing it highlights everyone is different and custom fit is important. Cheers
Couldn’t agree more
I have a slipped disc in my back...any idea if getting longer clubs would put less strain on the back?
Did you get longer clubs? I'm coming back to golf after discectomy and fusion surgeries and I'm thinking of longer clubs as I'm comfortable bent over a 3 iron but not a 7 for example
Wonder if shorter shafts (PW length for numbered irons) would give same distance as before but straighter shots (more control like the PW). Also, I brought out my chipper based on last week's video. Today, I found normal grip (not putter grip) seemed to get better results. I like that it goes straight if you focus on hitting the centre of the clubface. I am keeping it in my bag for now, losing the 58 degree wedge. As with most equipment and training aids, there are no instructions telling you how to hit it properly (how far should you hit the chipper from the hole, what distance range is it good, putter grip or normal grip, etc.). Of course, you test it out at the end of the season when the snow is about to come.
This indicates that the one length club system should definitely work as seen in the cobra sets
Great minds think alike. So if you get more spin from the short irons I'd would equate that the long irons in the one length would have less spin so go further or just as far as a normal length long iron, but because of the length would be easier to control even with reduced spin. And the one ball position would surely help consistency.
Gapping on the longer clubs is an issue with single length irons. Same length, stronger lofts, same swing speed (because the clubs are all the same length) results in lower flight with clubs above 6 iron (i.e. 5, 4) with the same ball speed as the 7. Do the math; you'll find that the longer irons don't carry much further, if at all, and the difference is runout because of the launch angle and lower spin.
To make them work, you need to cultivate a much faster swing speed, which may or may not be in your particular tank.
@@boydgrandy5769 it certainly is in my tank! I love hitting the ball hard when I have to. My mate says I'm scary long when i have to be. That's good info about the longer irons. I play really windy conditions on my home course so lower spin might be good. I've already considered 4,5&6 iron skipping the 5 iron and having stronger loft on the 4 iron so i can play extra wedge plus carry my 2 iron and hybrid.
fantastic video, as always. It's said that dogs, and calculators will never lie to you. James' video's have about the same veracity.
Interesting just goes to show how custom fit would be more beneficial matching both loft, length and a personal swing can get you the distance and dispersion you want.
Nice little test , James you need a trackman , everyone loves seeing the numbers especially with testing !👍🏻
Yes mate torn between one and a GC4.
@@JamesRobinsonGolf I'm liking GCQ more lately over trackman, seems the spin numbers can be more accurate on some occasions. I've been following you a good while now but I genuinely believe your channel will benefit in the long term from a good launch monitor as tests will have more weight in them such as txg for example . Also with club head data you could do videos with getting rid of the fore left 😂
Really interesting you gained speed but it translated to more spin I wouldn't have expected that
No mate it surprised me too
i think not for the shorter player. all it does is create more lag time in the swing. it might help the tall boys some what, but not enough to tell the difference. muscle gain and flexibility are key factor, however your average weekend golfer isn't going to shed that "beer keg" anytime to soon, to take advantage of the long stick's distance capabilities. but what do those with all their clubs the same length think according to how tall they are?
interesting findings James, sort of proves why you need to be custom fitted for clubs
Absolutely does buddy
I’m 6 ft put .5 inch longer shafts in my irons because I’m tall. On track man it gave me up to 10 yards more carry through the iron set. From carrying my 7 iron from 150 to 160 yards in MP32’s. My new set I went with p790 & wow those things go miles. Gave me another 15 yards they’re power bats. Up to 175 carry then with 7 iron. Im low figures play off 6 hcp I’ve had my irons lofts reset now to retro lofts. Reason being I don’t want to carry a 7 over 160 yards what’s the point.? It just means problems with gapping & having to put more wedges in my bag. I do find though a lot of high handicap golfers have that mentality about distance. Wanting to cream their 7 iron 190 yards. It’s a big ego thing with them for some reason. They wouldn’t dream of choking down on an 8 low spinny shot 135 yard par 3. Instead they’d rather rip the granny out of a 50 ballooning in the air and end up in a hazard but claim the win because they hit a 50 just as far as your 8. It’s ridiculous really, makes me laugh. That’s why they’re sh*t 😂 ego gets in the way of them progressing. I can see a lot of high hcp golfers fitting 3 inch longer shafts in their irons willing to lose control for distance,
Is that club feel heavy in your backswing you get way behind yourself instead of over the top looks like the club weighs a ton
Yes mate
Are your views down in the last couple months ? I have an idea why if so.
Not too bad buddy why’s that?
It must just be me then. I'm in the minority. Sorry. To me, your friend sounds a bit condescending. I feel bad even saying this.
@@jplowedge4255 thats cool mate. Everyone’s different.
Looks like your run this morning was too the burger 🍔 van 😂 😂
That’s not very nice mate
@@JamesRobinsonGolf sorry mate just looked like you had a big breakfast 😂 😂 😂
Strange thing to point out in all honesty mate. Hope you enjoyed the video.
@@JamesRobinsonGolf sorry didn't mean to offend was meant to be light headed sorry again. Yes love all your content watch everyday
@@owendocherty2805 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thinking driver with correct shaft lie and loft longer than yours against same driver in your specs. Maybe a strong 3 wood same club longer shaft. That might really start conversations. Fun as usual
What are your wedge numbers if you hit your PW 116-120? What’s your 50 degree or your 9i?
some years ago i had 1& 1/2 on my then clubs, my 6 iron was like a 3 iron ffs, became 'uncontrollable' had the extensions all removed, in the end distance is governed by F=ma fundamentally
3:10 also known as ‘ might aswel walk’ 🤣🤣🤣
Should try pw shaft in a 6 iron
What about 3, 4, 5, 6,7, 8 and 9 ?
its about distance dispersion on short irons not distance in my view. However I do understand having longer shafts on more lofted irons is a very interesting concept
Cheers buddy
Like the video mate, question there was no distance gain but there was a spin gain. If you adjusted the the lie angle would it not give you more control on your pitch shots? I’d say stopping power is more important with wedges then distance?
It would adjust the spin axis mate so yeah potentially would give more spin and control
I play Pinhawk single length irons. No problems at all with longer shafts on wedges.
A bit of a running theme James (as Chris always mentions)..... "I hit my PW about 130" (then averages low 120s) ;)
Interesting!
Would have love to see you do that comparison with a inch shorter shaft aswell
Hi James, I’ve been watching your content a while and usually love to comment but I think it’s a time zone thing you were posting about 9pm Australia time. But now you are posting around midnight so I don’t get a chance to watch it before I go to sleep. Which is okay. However keep up the great content and stay safe 🙏
Hey Andrew thanks buddy! I’ve not changed anything? Always post at 13:00 uk time? I wonder if daylight saving has done us over! I’ll look into it buddy
Would be great to see a part 2 with driver
Yeah ! Do more on lie angle fitting in putter and wedges :)
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Can’t believe you didn’t use my clubs for this 😉😂
My 60° has a pitching wedge shaft
Hold on, why do you say that you don’t get any benefit from using the 6 iron length? You got another 1000rpm of backspin which isn’t insignificant right?
Depends what guys are looking for Vishal...
Blooper reel anytime James?
To be honest mate I usually just leave them in lol
@@JamesRobinsonGolf damn u actually make that little mistakes. Impressive
Lengthening an iron 1-1/2" may or may not increase clubhead speed. It makes the club swing a lot heavier. My irons are 1-1/2" overlength, but I use X-flex graphite shafts to keep the weight down. I don't hit it farther. I am way more accurate though. Plus my bac doesb't hurt. By the way, since standard length fits you, the lie angle will be too upright for you aqt 1-1/2" overlength. This shows the 46 inch limit is baloney.
Why not move the camera, think you are subconsciously not wanting to hit it! I love my one lengths. Enjoy your stuff james 👍
Haha
Im 6’8 how much should i make my clubs longer?
Suggest basketball 😂 Jokes aside, presumably you have long arms aswell, so measure your wrist to ground distance. There are useful charts to indicate what shaft length you should have based upon your wrist to ground length. Critical to note that this is just an indicator, you absolutely need club fitting
Are they just the same as cobra one length 🤔
No mate. Lofts and weighting are optimised for one length clubs
It would be interesting to see what happens with a low spin ball and a lie adjustment.
I was always taught, the shortest, stiffest shaft that keeps you in the fairway. So go as long as you can to get distance, but accuracy.
So the conclusion is that if you are going to "half-inch" someone else's Clubs make sure that they are the same size as you?
Pretty much lol
@@JamesRobinsonGolf So on a wet/windy Saturday with the Courses closed I guess I'm not the only United fan waiting for the game to start at 8
That spin rate increase seems unusual. Need to do this again with the same shaft and lie adjusted.
The lie would only effect spin axis. The shaft weight probably had an effect but the spin will be down to the excess club speed
size dont matter its all about the stroke and rhythm, sorry what we talking about again
😂
I haven't watched the vid yet, but I would love another 3" on the end of my shaft.....🤦♂️
Hahahhaa wheyyyyy
Bandit Baker would you have to choke down on it😂😂
@@roberthampton6438 Good question....I suppose it depends on the Hole I'm "shooting" into! 😜
@@roberthampton6438 but at my age to be honest I need all the length I can get.........and an extra stiff shaft would definitely help👴
Actually it looks like you might have to do that with the length of that club or else you'd probably hit 2ins behind the ball
Haha
Not necessarily how tall you are but how long or short your arms is prolly more important
James... You need to make Chris wear the mic! The sound is all over the place pal. Can barely hear Chris at all. But good video anyways. Thanks for answering some of these questions we all ask ourselves. I appreciate your hard work pal.
I don’t understand how you can’t hear it mate? Appreciate the feedback but I have no problem hearing him in the edit?
Btw... new mics ordered 😂😂😂
I've been telling my missus shaft length doesn't matter. 🤣🤣🤣
Ask to Nienaber.
would love to see identical heads with identical shafts and only the length of shaft as the difference
“What a time to be alive” .... do a video on lie angle please 😉🏌️♂️⛳️🍻
Put a mic on Chris.
So now you need to bend for lie angle. Now your dither from ball. My short arms might not be too bad.
what i take from this is the 3 mph extra speed. You can then tweak shaft and loft to get the optimal launch and as long as you can handle the extra length you gain about 8 -10 yards on each club
Yeah I agree, but tweaking loft would move away from the shaft length argument wouldn’t it? Definitely a lighter shaft would have helped
@@JamesRobinsonGolf I agree, if you just want to add length to a club and not change everything else to dial in your launch and spin that is a recipe for disaster as you proved in this video. But my guess is if you manipulate loft and keep the extra length your can drop your spin to around 9500 and have a functional PW. either way I don't think people should do it based on dispersion issues. keep up the good work
Whilst I agree with the premise of this video, hit some longer length driver shafts and see how it pans out
If you are watching this video can you please like, comment and share as James Robinson deserves a much bigger subscriber base. He has amazing content. I’d also recommend watching all of his daily content and old videos.
I do not understand why you want extra distance with irons particularly shorter irons. The 5 iron through to sand iron are pin placement clubs; not clubs of distance. Longer driver shaft within reason; Ok because all your trying do do is hit the center of the fairway. Fairway woods and long irons; maybe ok because your mostly trying to just hit the center of the green.
Again, more clicks if you used "is a longer one better?" or "Does size REALLY matter?" and feature a female golfer testing ....
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They aren’t trashy like that. More clicks doesn’t always equal better. I would not have watched it with a title like you describe.
@@brett7011 It was just a bit of a joke between me and James. We know each other and I know he's not trashy.
Think this is a question for the wife’s rather than the golfers 😂😂😂
Wheyyyy 😂
6'4" standard length
Just watch rick shields then ul know what's coming up next on here
😂😂😂 when did Rick do this video buddy?
Also I think his last name is Shiels mate. 😂
@@JamesRobinsonGolf copy cat every day ffs
@@bytpranks8089 😂😂😂 your point would be valid if Rick did this video buddy... but hey. At least you can spell my name right.
@@JamesRobinsonGolf he did a video in week before the masters u goat
Don’t get me wrong I love your videos. But it seems that once rick shield makes a video on this topic you do the same. Once again I love your videos and I will keep watching them. Thanks.
No worries buddy, often we make them the same day as products are under embargo. I guess there’s only so much content to go around. Also in fairness I haven’t seen Rick do a video on wedge shaft lengths? Unless you can point me to it? If your referring to just shaft length... it’s a hot topic in the golf world. Not just on TH-cam 🤘🏼⛳️
@@JamesRobinsonGolf awesome thanks
Shot 69 first time I broke 70.
6 birdie 3 bogeys.
Every time I see a new video from you in my feed I cringe a little from the clickbaity title. Don't get me wrong, I understand why you do it but I've just had it with the ways the internet works. I won't let the door hit me on the way out. :) Good luck in the future James.
If you think this is clickbait I don’t know how to help you Martin... it’s a simple question?
@@JamesRobinsonGolf Hi James, thanks for responding. I hope you're well in these dire times. :)
What I ment, more specific, was that you have created a general feeling, about your video titles, that has made me distrust the content that I'm about too see when I click your uploads. That feeling has made less compelled to watch your creations. Hope that clears it up. If I feel this way, others might have the same perception and the outcome could be less clicks, subscribers and view time. This might not be the case of course but I'm sharing my thoughts and you can do what you will with them. Regards Martin
@@Warp33 Thankyou for sharing your thoughts Martin. I always appreciate feedback and wonder what has sparked your comment in this video, as you said... tough times... I’m fine, I hope your having a good weekend. 👍🏼
This is the most unclickbaity title possible
Does longer clubs mean more distance and the video is James using a longer club to see if it goes further 😂
@@JamesRobinsonGolf Here is the morning routine here in Texas. 1. wake up. 2. make coffee. 3. stagger over to the computer, kicking putting balls out of the way. 4. watch James Robinson Golf, which is THE most trusted, sincere golf content on TH-cam. Martin dearest, i'm concerned that you over-complicate the smallest of things. I would suggest a good recipe for Texas BBQ, a nap, and whatever you do.........relax.
Quit all the talk and hit the ball!
Ridiculous video given lie will be completely wrong, dynamic lie will surely deliver delighted face ? Longer shaft will always go round the ark faster 🤷🏼♂️
Mate... watch the video...
@@JamesRobinsonGolf the point being James is the spin numbers and everything else is irrelevant when the lie is so far out, how is it even a comparison. Shouldn’t allow comments if you only ever want positives, negative comments can be positives if you use them correctly 😉
I didn’t see this as a negative comment buddy? Unless that’s what you want it to be? Also just so your aware. Upright lie angle will produce more loft. Not less. I assume youve been done by autospell. But hey. We’re always learning aren’t we. 👍🏼
@UCtNpbO2MtsVY4qW23WfnxGg yes mentioned but still pointless comparing the two surely, do the same with adjustments made to lie and bingo you have a true comparison 👍
@@Andrew-ds9ms why is it pointless? Take into account spin axis which we did. And there’s no problem surely? Assuming we know what the lie angle does to the flight.