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LONGER SHAFT OR SHORTER IN YOUR DRIVER
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- LONGER SHAFT OR SHORTER IN YOUR DRIVER, Mark Crossfield changes the shaft in his TS3 driver and talks about if there are any more yards to be hard with a longer golf shaft. If you want to hit longer drives and send you driver further down the fairway can using a longer shaft help you find those yards. See as Mark attempts to squeeze the most out of his driver with a longer shaft.
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I've played 44.75 inch driver for 10 years now. I'm comfortable with it. I don't think I'd change it for 2 - 3 mph. Good information.
Forever Drivers were 43.5 in length. I had a 7 degree TaylorMade Driver and a 12 degree Driver as a 3 wood. Sported a 4 HDCP. The distance loss of my recently cut down driver is minimal. I’m playing from more fairways and less from the rough and trees. Currently using a 44 inch Ping. Golf is both more enjoyable and fun shooting lower scores.
Excellent video. As ball speeds are now hot across the entire face, strike location is relatively less important allowing for longer shafts and increased distance. Upside potential with a longer shaft now exceeds the downside risk.
Mark another great video on driver shaft lengths. Yes I agree with you that longer driver shaft lengths equals more distance, but for me they are less forgiving. I have had an inch and a half removed from my driver, which I find is far more forgiving. I always carry my golf sat nav which accurately measures distances, I have always thought that longer shafted clubs are less controllable that is why I had my driver shaft cut down. I do agree with you that longer shafts equals more distance but it is a question of accuracy and I find my cut down driver shaft perfect for my game. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Keep these excellent videos coming and I will always watch them.
I had my TS3 made to 45' instead of the usual 45.5'. I have used a 45' driver shaft for years and that's what I am used to seeing. I even gripped down the longer shaft in my fitting so it suited my eye. I am also 6,3ft and play my irons +1/2. Personal preference plays a part obviously.
Totally does 👍
What you meant to say was 1in4, 1in5, 1in10. Your ex maths teacher would not be pleased with your lack of cancelling down 😂
Good content as usual, thanks brah
switched to playing driver @44" a couple of years ago and haven't looked back, left/right dispersion is tighter and I haven't lost any distance....horses for courses...
Mark... Can you try a 48" shaft? Would love to see what would happen to your accuracy and speed!
Yes, I was going to say the same thing. 47" or 48" would be interesting to see.
@@s1dest3p Right?! Because if Mark is skilled enough, why not maximize distance... But I would really love to see it!
@@maxcaysey2844 skilled enough indoors
45.5 is a pain to hit why 47 ,48 inch????
I use a 3 wood shaft in my driver The best thing I've done, straight and consistent fairway finder
Have you ever done a video on swing weight and if it changes strike or speed?
I had 1" taken off the length of my driver shaft, and now I hit it 9 yards further (average). Blimey! 😁 😁 😁 ⛳ 👍
Did you change any thing in the driver like weight?
Mark, you failed to discuss the dispersion which was better both average and extreme with the longer shaft in your case. So the 3 or 4 yards difference in length will make little or no difference to your next club selection or shot type but being on the fairway or not certainly could. I say "in your case" because many are advocating shorter driver shafts for accuracy and I often don't see better accuracy.
Been hitting a 45.5 TM R1... I'm 5'7". It's quite unwieldy but I usually manage if I focus on a slow, controlled swing. I'm taking it down to 44 inches. Tomorrow. Gonna throw in a 20g weight and see what happens. Wish me luck.
@Le Fluer ended up being too much weight. Went down to 16 G. I make much better contact now but still struggling with a slice
I went 1 inch short this year in my flash mainly for a little control and i feel more comfortable swinging. Which i think is whats important. same reason why i chose the rougue irons over the pro. The fitter said pick which one looks better your numbers are the same with both
Catergorically No i use custom made callaway rogue Pro irons inch and half shorter than standard and for instance hit my 4 iron 235 my driver is only 42 inches and still hit it 280 i find a longer shaft extenuates any flaws in your swing especially the driver and is harder to control
I’m calling bullshit.
No you don't hit your 4 iron 235.
wake up
Why does everyone get butt hurt when someone hits further than them...
Brian Stuart no one is butthurt about an imaginary 235 yard 4 iron. People just don’t like bullshitters.
You might need to clarify that was carry or included 50 yds of roll - of course not many people who are amateurs will believe that your swing speed is circa 115mph with a 4 iron Cameron Champ territory ??
I don't know much about shafts, so sorry if this is a dumb question - as they get longer, does the flex need to stiffen to compensate? As in, is a stiff flex in a shorter shaft less stiff than a stiff flex in a longer shaft?
I have been trying this for the past 2 months, I have a 95 - 100mph swing with my driver, and the shaft is a Project X 6.0 at driver length and the same from a #3 fairway wood and have found that the driver is about 10-15 metres longer with a wider dispersion and the #3 wood shaft is a lot more central to the fairway.
Great vid and coincidentally I tried a driver epic flash with an inch shorter shaft in it yesterday (that’s what they had in the demo club in the shop), for me it straightened out my shots and gave me a bit of a draw shape, distance was a bit further than current driver, a few yards but didn’t measure exactly. The big difference was the shot shape, I have a slight fade normally but the ball flight was more piercing, this has left me with a bit of a decision to make now, not what I expected really!!!
I'm no shaftoid but I have that same shaft in my F9 and I love it!
Mark do you believe that if you changed the swing weight to be consistent between the club lengths, would that make the difference greater or smaller? Or do you believe it would have zero impact on the outcome? I am also thinking in terms of the two shafts you used... would one be more counterbalanced than the other and was that a factor in this test?
Hi Mark,
Would it be possible to do a video on gaming a slightly shorter iron shaft...
How much distance will be lost, or not...
How will the shorter shaft length impact your swing posture ?
I wish we could get Tom Wishon to watch and comment on this video. He advocates for much shorter shafts for most golfers, in the 43" range. Of course, trying this out on your own is almost impossible, because just shortening the shaft changes the swingweight too much.
I would also push for shorter shafts for most.
Impressive you averaged just 3.9 r on both shafts! I understand the shaft is shorter but the profiles of those two shafts are different. I would love to see the same shaft cut down or a 3 wood shaft in a driver tested
I play TS3 at 45 and I still want to go shorter. I have had some good success testing the Taylormade Original One mini driver and am seriously considering putting that in my bag. It's 275 cc but 43.75 inches and gets it out almost as far as driver but with much tighter dispersion. Either that or I'll go to maybe 44.50 with my TS3.
I would love you to work with TXG, I think that would be a video that everyone would like to see, you quite often suggest that the shaft makes little difference and that you can overide/ adjust to a shaft but TXG prove ( to me anyway ) that a shaft can completely change the outcome of a club... please please please make the video..
I'm with you 110 % Chris. TXG is the GO TO when it comes to shaft knowlege
That would be a great video. I think mark would love it too.
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Just for clarity, Mark said it makes no difference for HIM, but it can have small effects for others. However, watch this video from TXG. Skip to 14 minutes, then have a listen to the american guy...
#secretshaftoid
Does it further make any difference in reduced length if the shaft is R v S? Plz anyone
Mark needs to go see the boys at TXG for the right fit!
he defenetely should. The result tough will depend on wether he can listen to an opinion and accept advice from someone else ( a shaftoid mind you) that probably is contradicting what he has been preaching. Will be a famtastic vid though, Mark and Ian debating.
Matt and TXG actually have similar opinions on shafts. They both express the same overal point - that A shaft is not going to improve your game just because it's a good shaft. The right one will - hence the "get fitted" comments
Because Titleist can't custom fit?
Yeah, I went with a shorter shaft recently and honestly I kind of hate it. I was fighting hooks and I should have fixed my swing instead. Now, it can't beat my 3w and really has no place in my bag. 6 yards may not sound like much, but that's half a club. How many times are you between shots? Also, +6 yards from that, work on a faster swing for another 6 and you got a full club. Size does matter in golf it seems :/
If you could game as long as possible, could you get Titleist to send you a 48” shaft (max allowed?)?
Would be interesting to see what effect going pretty extreme would have.
Nice, but I'd like to have seen you increase the length, say a 1/2 inch at a time, just to see what happens to the ball and the dispersion. I've seen people with an inch longer club, but the choke down on it, kinda negating any benefit. So, let's see another, more extensive test. JM2C
My 917 was fitted 1/2 inch shorter than standard, which is now 1” shorter than TS standard, better strike wins for me all day
darren crawford people get concerned about the head feeling light and the shaft getting stiffer if you cut the end off
imo the better strikes would over ride that for amateurs 🤷♂️
My shaft is 1 inch shorter than most stock shafts (the ones my mates have), I wasn't fitted, I bought it as a short term measure when my previous driver snapped a week before a golf trip. My driver is by far the best club in my bag. I'm a 23 handicap and outdrive most people I play with including single figure handicappers, plus I hit fairway a lot.
If you hit it long and straight and are a 23 you should be watching the short game videos he posts. Just a suggestion coming from a scrubby 4 hdcp
If you hit fairways "a lot" and are a 23 handicaper, you need some serious help with the rest of your game!
I do need serious help, I keep saying I'm going to get lessons but then don't bother, but this is the year I finally work on it and get that handicap down, sick of getting called a bandit all the time haha
Mark, love the test but what this video and test doesn't account for is any performance gains that come from the shaft itself i.e., hzrdus shafts are at the very least known for helping tighten dispersion and in this case could be helping increase your driving distance. Would be cool to see how your numbers compare between hzrdus shafts of 45 and 45.5 to control for what may be those performance impacts that come from the shaft itself being a better fit for you.
Another interesting review... for scratch golfers who find the middle of the face consistently with any shaft length. So for 5 % or less of the golfing population. The most interesting question for the other 95 % would be: How does shaft length influence face contact, does it influence how often I find the middle of the face?
I use an inch shorter x stiff in my callaway epic head. Im 6ft 2in and i get my furthest distances out on course. But on dry ball data it is normal stiff shaft. I'll stick to what works in the real world.
i meant to say it wont always give you distance a longer shaft that is i concentrate on strike and hit the centre with shorter driver far more than a full length driver
I went from 44.75" to 46 and hit center way more often now. get fit 😜
@@patrickvilleneuve1375 could be, or maybe the extra 1.25 inches put me on a swing plane I was more able to deliver consistent strike on. It's been a year, still in the bag so haven't really tested if something else would work so a good coincidence for sure.
@@christopherlafreniere7141 thinking about going 46 with driver as I’m 6 foot 5 and think it would help flatten swing plane..,are you taller as well?
@@xNIKEGOLFx I'm only 6'2 but it did flatten me out a bit.
Approximately 3.5x MORE OFFLINE with the longer shaft, yet only 1% more distance. Why would anyone want 1% more distance and have their ball 3.5x more offline on average? I guess the argument would be there's less offline deviation with the longer shaft?
Bought a standard driver off the rack, didn't know anything about length etc. New to golf. Measured it and it was 46 inches. Have a shorter shaft now and my strike is better. If you're not a standard height guy, why should you play standard length shafts ?
Mark, love the vids and vlogs. Question if strike is king and shaft flex is only a one part of the whole picture. Does the driver head tech make the ball go futher? Do I have to have the most up-to-date driver head and center strike to see 262 or better carry?
Interesting video, I cut my driver down to help with consistency, but I was also having lessons at the time, now my swing is better I feel I’m losing distance with the shorter shaft.Time to get fitted I think 🤔
Mark, could you dive deeper into this on instagram in terms of fitting? Is shortening a club due to lack of control a band aid on top of a the real issue?
Your swing is text book so I think that you would hit good shots with almost any length driver. However, I have seen a number of postings/videos by fitters who have stated that average golfers may benefit from slightly shorter length drivers because it gives them a bit more control, resulting in better strikes. And as you state all the time, strike is king. I know you have raised concerns in previous videos about how manufacturers were going to longer shafts in drivers and fairway woods.
Look, shaft length should be a fitting parameter for the individual player, not just that’s “standard”. Of course Mark is a skilled player and he’s not going to spray it all over the course with a slightly longer driver, but if you can’t deliver center contact with the longer one, try shorter! Most high end clubfitters are starting at 45 and moving up or down per the skill of the player at handling that shaft. I think the bigger point is don’t be married to the “stock” length. I ordered a 2017 M1 driver with a different shaft than stock and it comes at 45.5 and they don’t adjust swingweight so it’s D7. Guess what it’s hard to swing that! Half inch shorter and lighter and it’s easier for ME. Others may vary. Swing the longest stick you can keep in the fairway reliably.
I have a 52 inch ..swing slow but generates a ton of torque .
I was fitted for a TS3 with the Hzrds smoke shaft at 44.5". Fits perfect. Glad I didn't buy off the rack.
Well at the end of the day...strike is still king but add that with potential speed and distance...makes for a longer game
I don’t mind with drivers but long shafts in fairways can be a bit intimidating, the small head looks miles away and good strikes are hard to come by for me
Good explanation guys and live the reference back to Dubai - really enjoyed those challenges - hope you're enjoying Rome!!!!
Question, would a change in length also change strike( location)? Or does it have the potential to do so.
Defo could. I find for me it changed nothing apart from some speed potential 👍👍
The shafts are different and the the swing weight is different, not really comparing apples
Your impression of Joost was hilarious 😂 🙈 Really good video, though. An untrained eye wouldn’t notice that difference in length. Great point about shorter shafts being toe up as well 👍
Also 262 Crossfiled hits it along way, makes it frightening that some of those guys on tour are knocking it 70 yards past in carry past, Beasts
Tell me about it
Long legs and arms short for my height is my problem. Am I consigned to a longer than normal shaft?
you could put on gloves and box kangaroos.
The extra two or three yards is not about being able to suddenly carry a hazard etc. IMO it’s about occasionally having a shorter iron into the green.
Is that not the same???
@@MarkCrossfield In terms of pure distance, yes it is the same but the having the ability to squeeze out a few more yards is also dependent on the consistency. If I could rely on it, then I would attempt fly the hazards ADL but without the reliability I would only risk it when I thought the landing zone would be more forgiving
Need to use the same shaft to do this test properly and maintain the same swing weight.
Very interesting. Titleist’s standard length has been 45” for some years as others have gone up and up (45.75 for ping, 45.5 for Callaway and TM but both have been at 46 in the past) and I have even seen info on their website saying they would not go above that because their tests show that on average it starts to break down above this for accuracy (accepting your experience that it is player specific). Does this mean they have retested and found the extra .5” doesn’t affect it, or are they now playing the launch monitor game with their new speed tag line? I’ve watched you use the standard ping, standard TM and standard Callaway (I’m assuming probably correctly that you dont ask for custom length), and 10 years of video evidence shows no change in your accuracy so clearly these extra fractions of an inch make no difference to you.
I play a 42.75 inch driver (hot melted for swing weight) and I hit more fairways than I ever have. Distance not a massive difference I carry 260.
Control and short grass over length and rough everyday. What ever puts you on the tight stuff. I’ll club up from there vs hacking it out of weeds.
One of the pieces of advice I've read over and over is: Know the actual length you can hit each club with reasonable consistency, and play to that. I can get a 175 yard carry from my 6 iron, yet it's my 160 yard club, because that's the length I know I can make almost every time.
You managed to hit 267 on only one of four drives. Take that one drive away, and you have at best a 3 yard advantage with the longer shaft, but for all practical purposes, they're pretty much the same. If you were out on the course and had 266 to carry a hazard, would you go for it, knowing there's a 75% chance of losing strokes (not to mention a US$4 ball)? I would, but I'm an idiot.
The real question is, though, for a golfer of lesser ability (say, for example, me), can I get a better strike and tighter dispersion with a shorter shaft? I'd be interested if you could grab a middle handicapper and run the test again.
Yes we need Rob Potter to jump ship!
I cut all clubs down a half inch they are just more comfortable to me and my strike seems better.
I didn’t get lie angle checked after, how much will length affect your lie angles??
Im fairly sure that 1/2 inch in length will change lie by about 1° upright or flat depending if you add or take away length....extra length=more upright..👍👍
So yours are playing 1°flatter now....
What was the dispersion difference on the shafts?
Mark - Please do a comparison of a 44" vs 47" shaft.
Mark would you go 48” if not why not ?
So is the extra “speed” that Titliest say is coming in the TS is basically from a longer standard shaft?!? #theyallhavemarketingdepartments #notjustTM 😜
Exactly! If you look at the specs of new clubs, esp irons, you see the length increasing and the manufacturer saying it's a more powerful club. Which is obviously bullshit given how much they reduce loft and increase shaft length
Shafts on Titleist drivers are only 1/2 inch longer than they were last year. When the Taylormade tour van rolled into New York around 10+ years ago, they fit n
me for an r7 Superquad and told me that I should play the shaft at 44”. Since then I’ve been chopping all my driver shafts and getting more control, but recently went back to 45” figuring that TS2 would give me the @Straightest Balls in Golf.” My fairways hit hasn’t suffered any at all. 👍
Mark could do us a solid and make an on course vlog of this test when you can. Please and thank you!
It’s will be done
hitting a shorter driver can also get a short guy like me (5'8") to hit more up on the ball with a better smash factor
Question braah, how have you gained more speed with a longer shaft but coach doesn’t loose speed with his 3 wood shaft ?
It’s player dependent
The best carry efficiency on PGA tour 2018 was Molinari at: 2.545
Joost wot a guy. Would love to see a full vlog with him and his 3rd arm drops 👍🏻 he would qualify for the muppets tour with his banter 😂😂. Joost joost joost
45.5 is still shorter than 90% off most drivers on the market!
A longer leaver does not always mean more speed. It completely depends on how the player reacts through strike & speed.
For you the gains are measurable
Defo is totally player dependant I agree.
So Titleists claim of more speed over the the 917 comes mainly from the longer shaft?
Yep that's the TS project that Mark was involved with 🙈 marketing hype??? Funny how he is #262 with everything when different oem's have different stock length shafts?😲
That’s the smallest inch I’ve ever seen 😂
Haha looked huge to me 🙈🙈
Its a metric inch
Most men think an inch is smaller than it actually is.
So is Titleist going to send you 265 Pro V’s?
Is it a coincidence that the average carry distance on good strikes is approximately 2.5 times the average swing speed?
Wouldn't a longer shaft be more difficult to control for a shorter golfer ( like myself at 5' 7" ). Surely height must have an impact.
Yes to a certain degree it might be it’s more on the players ability to deliver CG 👍
Great video, but the last 10 seconds were priceless.
Why major on the distance? I'm much more interested in how accuracy is effected in your videos.
I address this point in the video?
Does Mr. 262 (or Sir 262 if you prefer) get a raise with his new tool?
Also, you, Dan and Coach are going to drill a hole in that screen.
So you never said it
In the bag? Are you going to game it? Me thinks you should👍
Cheers from NorCal been raining here for almost 2 weeks straight feels a lot like your weather gents cold and foggy too cuppa anyone😜
Yep it’s in
Look at Dan on that poster getting his pump on.. what a beef
Haha
When are you going to test a 48 inch shaft then mark? #longballs
Mawk, you didn't cut it short enough to really make a difference. Go down another half inch or more then really hammer it ... It'll feel like a short iron off the tee !
Years ago, MyGolfSpy did an experiment about shaft length: mygolfspy.com/mgs-labs-is-longer-really-longer/
Results were basically that most of the players benefit from shorter shaft because the accuracy is much more better and potential distance loss is so minimal. And many of the testers actually gained more distance as the strikes were improved with shorter shafts.
I'd love to see this therory proven correct, or incorrect with modern launch monitor such as GC Quad. Of course test persons would be also average golfers with bad strikes/swing.
How tall are you Mark???????
Question, how do you measure you're shaft?
In inches
ýes but from where the hossel or with the head attached?
@@simonrhys
LOL so the Titleist Speed project that your were involved with made the stock shaft longer so we'd get more speed when we demo the new ones. Didn't mention that in their marketing... and you didn't pull them about the longer shaft like you used to when a certain brand did the same and claimed more speed/distance
If you care to look which I am guessing you would prefer not too. My carry with the shorter shaft on TS3 tests where 263 average. 👍👍👍👍
So sorry for that but it’s all in a video black and white if you want to look at some truths.
Sorry bruh. 👍👍👍
@@MarkCrossfield 🎣🎣🎣luv a spot of fishing on a Sunday morning bruh😂... now get to Dawlish and do some on course loveliness testing 👍👍👍
Paul Wrigley I don’t get this? So you did look or you didn’t or you don’t want a response. I am confused?
@@MarkCrossfieldI subscribe to your strike is king philosophy, get a driver that looks and feels right and if it's a flood fit it will perform as good as the next one. I just couldn't resist trying to wind you up a bit with the kind of comments I know you'd react to... sorry bruh😁
Paul Wrigley ah so it’s throw away. Ok great. 🙈
Press number 4 on your keybord over and over when watching this :D
Nothing overrides strike. Speed means noting if you can't control it.
Strike defo helps
Awe you just wanted the same combo as Dan, he we call that bronies and btw, I have the same combo too but mine is 44.5” on purpose :P
Try out a long drive shaft next
48 inch next pls! #282!
Mark please read your description of the video and spot the hard truth
Shaftey McShaft faces will all be tuning in to give us the maths.
Uh-oh! Mark is going LONG!!!
Long balls
I'm to scared to read the comments. Two reasons. One, talking about an extra inch. That could be awkward. And two, all the shaftoids giving Mark an upper cut.
so you switching shafts? :P
Have done don’t tell anyone 😂😂🙈🙈
@@MarkCrossfield you'll have to get new number on your balls 264
Haha 😉
Ooo... one for the shaftoids. How gracious. All this talk about length... how about girth? How much of a difference would that make? 🤔🤣😜😂😉
Wait, you didn't get custom my fit??? Just goes to show you're right, get fit for ALL your equipment. Even the new stuff.
I did get fit I even explained that in the video me thinks 👍
@@MarkCrossfield my apologies, I understood it as you just took your shaft from your 917 and put it in your TS3. Maybe I misunderstood. Regardless another awesome video. I went for a full bag fitting a few weeks ago and it is an eye opening experience.