Hey, so Ik this is a very small portion of a (fantastic) long video, I kind of take issue with the way you characterize people who say “what happens when your husband dies/leaves/@buses you”. Maybe the people you’ve encountered say it with sneers, but it is vital to inform women in these positions of their precocity. I guess we have to extend immense grace to the group of women that dehumanize us, but caring about the ways in which women in their position are oppressed is not being mean. It’s discussing the “workplace hazards” of the stay-at-home wife/mother. It’s out of extreme care and fear for (often gr00med) young women growing up in fundamentalist spaces that drives this need to spread this info. You said in other places it was good, but it just felt weird the way you basically said that the very likely circumstances they will be thrust into are a danger they must plan for (and aught to have social safety-nets for-regardless that their the ones who rally against them) is somehow a cruel insult to them rather then genuine care and a deep desire for solidarity with people who-at present-want nothing to do with ‘feminists’ (or as they might say ‘sad ugly d!kes). Idk food for thought sorry for the essay💛
Damn I took the bait! It’s a shame she didn’t continue that passage in Ephesians where Paul literally told husbands to die for and serve their wives like Christ served and died for the church. I’m actually really disappointed. Like..why not read the full passage and give the correct context? It’s like she’s trying to present a false narrative 😮
Just in case anyone was curious on how the rest of the passage of Ephesians goes: 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. Ephesians 5:25-33 NKJV
"Find a man that will train you" ...I am.. *truly* disgusted... Find a man that doesn't treat you like a puppy. You are a grown adult, if you feel like you need to be 'trained', consult with a therapist if changing your behaviour is the goal...
See but now I finally understand why this is a kink. Some people like the power structure of training and protocol dominance and submission, but that can only be healthy if it's negotiated equally with the goal of enriching each other's lives.
@@JoMoestarI'm don't think this type can be healthy or consensual in any way, it's straight up gross and shouldn't be normalized, she literally said "women need to be trained", she needs therapy, not a form of ab×se.
Agree. Also to add, majority of men can't actually alone provide for women and children, a lot of families need two incomes to survive. This would imply that only men who have means "deserve" (what an ugly statement!) a woman who is, by their own logic, some kind of trophy or an object. It's really bad for men as it's bad for women.
Folks forget that middle class housewives and upper class women used to just, er... widow themselves. Especially those with abusive spouses. Legal recourse was slim to none for victims of abusive spouses. Divorce, and feminism, saved plenty of men from a lovingly prepared final meal.
Yes, this is how my grandma made it stop! The whole community hated the man for their own reasons aside from how they all knew what he was doing to her. And so, after dozens and dozens of times when he made her lie to people and say "I fell", that was what the sheriff said after his investigation. That he was known for his proclivity for the drink, and he was too intoxicated to handle himself, injured his head from a bad fall. And she worked three jobs most of the next 40 years so that nobody could hurt her or the children again... She was so broken by then, she didn't care about herself much anymore. But the guy curb stomped any option to keep living that way when he had the audacity to beat on their little girl just as bad as if he was beating on his wife. And he was so brutal, gram needed both knees surgically replaced when she was just in her late 40s, a result of the ways he'd make her stay in the house. With this being part of my family history, I can't help but wonder how many of the internet-converted tradwifes / future tradmothers are going to develop an impasse in the way they're able to live with their crappy husbands after seeing their defenseless young children get treated badly by the man / men in their world 😢
It’s very disturbing to think that so many women who committed “petty tyranny,” were really just at the literal end of their rope and killed their husbands to save their own lives or those of their children.
@@marysupernova7780Unfortunately the worst kind of pick me women will proyect their man over their kids every time,no matter what they do the kids. I'm sorry your gram suffered so. She sounds like she was incredibly strong, to stand and protect her children and remove the threat to them.
Promoting the TradWife lifestyle is paradoxical. The TradWife purports to stay at home, raise the children, while the husband works. But these influencers who promote the TradWife lifestyle are working, often times quite hard. These women are essentially media companies; they film, edit, post, comment, and maintain engagement. In fact, women-of-color have often had to work outside their homes, in the homes of white women.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Their husbands are not the sole breadwinner so obviously they married weak a** dudes. 😂 of course, they just blame feminism for making the cost of living so high that a single income cannot support an entire family with a ton of kids. (I have 5, so I’m not judging the number of kids.) But it is their beloved Conservative politicians who are truly killing all the things Trad Wives claim to hold dear.
The "Homesteading" flavor of all these trad wives are often old money, or married rich, or both. This isn't a real lifestyle. It's the illusion of one.
Whenever I tell them that they get angry with me, go through my page and attack me personally. Usually "What are you doing here, aren't you supposed to be busy serving your husband? A woman has no business knowing about these topics, are you trying to tempt other men? Won't he be angry with you?" Makes them go off as if I lit them on fire. Most of the things I say are things they've posted before calling out other women, by the way. Most of the times they harass me for the grand sin of being poor, not stating if I have a husband already and of course being childless... At the ripe age of 19. The sheer privilege is hilarious really, because I literally became homeless to a war in my country, and they would know it since they looked at my account... But it's not enough for them? But don't they know that there will inevitably be rich and poor with the current economy???
See also Phyllis Schlafley who was constantly on that grind only to discover in the world of conservative politics there was a glass ceiling she couldn't breach.
JustPearlyThings is a perfect example of someone who wants women to live a traditional lifestyle but I don’t think she even has a boyfriend. She’s all bark no bite, and a lot of these influencers are.
@@theefartmanah yes because floor = floor with hole that where the poop disappears, you’re describing toilets babe, toilets are on floors but floors doesn’t always have toilet
The I Do=Consent argument would quickly be thrown out of the window if the woman wanted to peg these men but obviously these rules only really go one way.
As I've seen on the internet, "Men [those who support 'trad values' or are right wing in genera] will see stuff like cat calling or sexual harassment as fine, up until it's a gay man doing it to them".
Hi, former Christian here! When they say "biologically," they mean "biblically." According to them, God made our bodies work the way they do, and that strict gender roles are both biological and biblical.
I mean, you jest, but as an exvangelical that actually is what they say haha That men are “wired” for jobs and women are “wired” for childbearing. Because Genesis 3 dontcha know
@@lanaharper9798 but I seen it more as biblically wired to do so. And not 'biologically' when 'designed' at creation. Men were told to work hard as punishment for eating the fruit. And women were punished with pain. So biologically women should have children and obey husbands cause that's what they were designed to do. But men weren't designed to work hard (and I think it specifically talks about toiling the earth being hard and not all work generally, (which funny cause that has often been women's job too, so what punishment did men really get?)) But I can't think of what were men designed to do at creation, listen to God? Take care of animals? (Which in garden definitely wouldn't be a hard job, so not like it called for some special biological design)
My aunt is a tradwife. She’s now in her 60s and very insecure about her body weight to the point she will starve herself, extremely lonely because her kids and grandkids are grown and not around much, has literally nothing to do because she’s exhausted her hobbies, and slowly going into dementia. Yea she lives in a half million dollar home, but she doesn’t seem happy.
The child-hating narrative is so frustrating to me as a teacher, because I put my whole heart and soul into guiding and supporting the children that I teach. Just because I don’t want children of my own doesn’t mean that I don’t love and care for them. We all can do that in different ways.
Well the push to delete babies in the womb, make children believe they can change their gender as well as there being mothers on post about believing their children to be future grapists does not pai t a picture of hate for children
To me too. I so want to be a mom for example, but explicitly with a carrer. Those are live aspirations. Like things I have deep desires for. Not soemthing that somhow is exclusive. They make echother harder, sure. But they come from the same spot in my heart that drives my being. It is me. I want to be the best engeenier I can be. I want to be a mom. I want to teach my children math and giggle with them at every little thing about building stuff when they learn they can do that. I want to show them the passion I have. I want to use my (non existant asside from in dreams) family to further my desire for my job. To do well to support them but also to do well because I am loved and happy and my children inspire me to the world in diffrent ways uniue to there person. I want to be me who and why are they to think they could possibly understand the complexity of me desires?
I wanna end up being a teacher too. I'm from India and the context is a little different here : teachers HAVE to be respected just bcaz they are older than you - and a lot if teachers in India exploit this and are essentially not good teachers. I wanna become the kind of teacher i would have needed growing up.
"Non-Virgin women" cause all of the world's problems, yet being childless is apparently also a massive problem. Not everyone can be the Virgin Mary, ladies.
Not so fun fact - that whole “pain in childbirth” thing from Genesis was still used in some Catholic hospitals in North America into the 2000s to deny women in labour epidurals or other pain relief. It may still be happening - I only know it was occurring when my peers and I were having our babies.
That is so fucked up. That is not how that verse should be interpreted. None of the curse in genesis is prescriptive-- it's descriptive, telling the result of sin. Maybe if we want to interpret it prescriptively we should throw out all our farming tools to make work harder for men as well.
This was a general religious thing in my country. My mother and grandmother's generation didn't get epidurals. Hospitals didn't even have them. This crossed over from religion into culture. Nowadays my country is largely secular but many women will refuse epidurals because they feel like it's cheating. Even if they have never held a bible in their hands.
It's still happening sometimes in my very Christian country. Women tell stories about being denied painkillers untill they literally beg for it in tears, sometimes even then they are told that it's not that painful.
What's hilarious is that historically housewives have done unbelievable amounts of backbreaking labour. Even just laundry pre-washing machines was a grueling ordeal that took multiple days. This magical relaxed housewife fantasy is just that, a fantasy.
It may be historical now in the Western world, but in many parts of the world it's not. Many women are still "traditional women" who farm, take care of animals, run small shops to sell crops or beads, collect firewood and water for cooking, build homes, wash clothes in rivers, and much much more. And on top of all that, they take care of children! These TikTokers want to be upper class American suburb 1950s house wives...Not very "traditional" if you go back far enough lol
a trad wife has the same roles as a house wife, they both love their daughters just because it’s not something that you want doesn’t mean they don’t love them. why say that a mother who stays home and looks after the children and house and husband not care about her family? disgusting
@@hello.kittyxo930no woman that loves her children, truly, would want to subject them to the violent self-loathing that tradwives subject to themselves
@@hello.kittyxo930They literally make misogyny and vocal disdain for other women one of their biggest talking points. A woman who hates women is not going to be a loving mother to a daughter. You don't ingrain internalized misogyny and lack of autonomy into someone you love. These types were some of the meanest, coldest people in the fundie church my family used to be in. Their mantra is "God doesn't want you happy, He wants you obedient." If anyone values your obedience over your happiness, they don't love you.
I don't think they feel exhausted because they absolved themselves of all responsibility, be it towards themselves or other women. To think they are tired of it is to think they have any kind of self awareness that what they're doing is actively harming others. And some of them may be like that, like 1 or 2 max. The others? They're either living lavish lives doing the exact opposite of what they're preaching (like that pearl bitch) or literally and genuinely thinking this is what their lives and other women's lives should be like. I know some irl, who aren't even Christian and don't need social media to act just as irritating. It's almost like it comes to them naturally. That self hatred and hatred of everything women do all while being convinced their failing lives are actually anything but a nightmare. It's like sinking the whole boat with you in it and trying to keep others from leaving their doomed end. It surely sounds tiresome. But no, they're not exhausted. I'd say they feel at peace, like knowing you're doing something "for the greater good" even if that something is as gruesome as making sure your daughters and their daughters never get the same rights you had, even if it means they will be in constant danger. The people ik irl who actually are like this are somehow even more scary than the internet tradwives, bc their reach and their actions are constant reminders of the society we live in. Everything they do is for the sole purpose of gratifying men in hopes of getting that same gratification in return, but it never comes so there's this constant and very obvious state of nearing the breaking point without ever reaching it. These people WILL drown you with them before they ever even take a looo at the very obvious alternative which is to fight for themselves. They'd rather see a world of chaos than ever think that they made the wrong choice even if it means dooming their own flesh to a certain life of misery and suffering. And THEY scare me...a LOT.
@@BBKthebunnypersonthey are either a bot or a very sad person. They’re always spamming defending the worst possible people 😂, I recognize their name cause they’re literally everywhere trying to get attention
For me who comes from a country that is rated number 3 on fermicide and domestic violence, i would like to say that these people are simply too ignorant. I was surrounded by domestic violence growing up. My dad , uncles, granddad and neighbours did it. "She was burned alive by her husband" , "Her husband murdered her and their children" , " They were walking on the street when a man approached them to ask one of them out and when she refused, he shot them both". That is the daily news report in my country. Growing up in such an environment has influenced my decision to remain unmarried. I know they are good men out there but you have to understand that I'm kinda traumatized from dealing with this every single day. So maybe these kind of traditional life these people are talking about is the American kind because the one from my country results in either scars or a coffin.
Thank you so much. These women don’t get it and they hijack the struggles of so many other women for their ideology. Being in their position and ‘choosing’ it is a form of ‘privilege’, but even women from the past- and around the world- fight to free from it, lest they pay for their lives. Even then, there’s a reason many housewives wanted free despite the privilege. There’s no personal safety. The ‘soft’ cushy lifestyle of tradwives also obfuscates the fact that the majority of women have ALWAYS done backbreaking work, barely paid! Do they think working a farm or factories was only done by men? Of course the working fields were different but it’s just bad to undermine the work women have always done. It’s just insulting to the memory of people who struggled under oppressive systems.
Dam your comment hits on another level. I totally get your decision. Stay single forever. What if you don’t find a nice guy?…you could loose everything. Your life is on the line here.
@@reubenjames7644 has been using the same joke about men who identify as feminists and have very political wives/partners for... i don't know how long but at least since i was in elementary school
Caring and domestic work IS work, and it needs more recognition and respect. What does NOT need to be respected is the reinforcement of arbitrary and absurd gender roles that see women's value only as baby makers and men's only value as money-makers.
Omg that made me think of how caring and domestic professions like nurses, teachers, daycare employees, house cleaners are all poorly paid and disrespected, woman dominated fields
@goblin3359 You might want to check who is doing the disrespecting in the case of women doing house work. It's mostly feminists. The same feminists who treat the men as either as a bull for stud, an ATM or trash to avoid or abuse. Sunny and wholesome personalities I'm sure you would agree. Nothing but good can come from following their advice.
@@danix8538It's absurd to suggest feminists are the main one disespecting domestic work. Saying "my wife doesn't work," meanwhile she's a stay at home mom to an infant and a toddler and does all the cooking and cleaning is an example. The woman in this scenario ostensibly works harder than the husband, yet her hard work is dismissed as if she's living in luxury while her husband grinds away at a 9-5. It's even hard for homemakers to land a job after years of not being regularly employed because the experience of managing a household is disregarded and considered worthless. Blaming feminism for everything is just another form of misogyny. Check your subconscious bias. 💛
@danix8538 Sure some do, but it's not all now is it? My deeply anti-feminist father constantly shat on the fields of nursing, childcare, cleaning etc while also insisting it was all women were good for, if you've grown up around these types, you know men and trad women also hate those fields and demean them as soon as they get the chance and are not currently grooming anyone.
It always amazes when I hear of women pushing for what is essentially their own subjugation. They want to push women into a life of servitude and abuse, taking whatever their husband gives them, because 'god' said so. Our grandmothers fought to vote and open bank accounts in their names, because they were so vulnerable and at the mercy of their husbands. And these women want to go back to that same vulnerability. Unreal.
Its actually very interesting reading about events that prompted Sydney women into suffrage. A recently widowed poor woman intentionally drowned her baby in Sydney Harbour. She was so afraid of the life of utter poverty that lay ahead of her. It prompted other women into action. Poor women were working and paying taxes but had no rights. Women were routinely exploited and I suppose educated women with more ability to advocate for others less fortunate than themselves came to the fore. This was not a vanity project for rich women. It was women advocating for others less fortunate. Thats probably a big reason why rich men did not like it. They had already had to give away rights to poor working class men.
they're very insecure. most of them were probably whole ass pick mes in their adolescence. they need a man to validate their ego, cause really they don't know a way to do it by themselves. it's really sad.
If you can convince someone that the real only thing that matters is what happens after you die, then you can convince them of just about anything because they have been convinced their life doesn't matter. So it should be no surprise that most of the tradwives are part of Christian death cults.
Honestly, the problem isn't even them wanting to go back to that same vulnerability. They're adults and can make their own decisions and if they want to live that life I literally don't care. The problem is that these women act like they're better than other women for male validation. They also shame women who don't choose the same lifestyle as them and push this kind of agenda all over the media which can really affect younger people. Plus in this economy, it's not even realistic to live as a tradwife💀 Unless you're a spoiled white woman i guess.
What these women are doing is pushing OTHER women into their own subjugation. They, meanwhile, have careers grifting for the Conservative (and "free" market, of course) agenda. It's "others should know their place but not me, because I'm special". Mrs Thatcher was the original poster girl for this.
Yep! You want a tradwife? No Grand Theft Auto for you! You get traditional hobbies like stamp collecting and jigsaw puzzles while smoking a pipe! (And we mean a TOBACCO pipe, Chad, no weed for trad husbands either).
I’ll never forget a tiktok I saw where the creator said if women submitting to men is a biological reality then why are women having to go around convincing others to do it. If it’s innate then we should just be doing it, right?
Someone mentioned that tradwives are just cosplaying housewifery. If they were true housewives, they wouldn't have time to put on a face full of makeup, pick out a stylish apron & dress and film themselves ESPECIALLY if their husbands help them with nothing.
That may have been true back in the pre washing machine days, when housewifing included growing food in your own garden and was a pretty tough physical job. These days, with all the devices and ready-to-buy household chemicals, being a housewife is a relatively easy part-time job for a woman that has the brains to organize herself. The only real drawback is that part of the work happens in what the rest of the family considers their free time. But it's easy to see how stay-at-home-moms have the time to do some light tick-tocking on the side. It's not like that one requires a lot of effort, either.
they are breadwinners.... Most of them are married to basic, blue collar workers who are not making enough money to actually afford them the lifestyles that they want so this is a way to work without calling it work and supplement their low income...
As I explained to my daughters. If you want to be a housewife, fine. That's between you and your husband. But, to be a housewife, you depend on your partner to bring in the money. If something happens to them, you need to be able to support yourself and your children. He could die, he could become disabled, he could simply walk out one day, no matter how good a man you thought he was. He may turn out to be abusive and if you need to leave, you need to be able to support yourself. And you should be paid as much as a man for the same work. That's only fair. He should be paid as much as you for the same work.
Well said. Conservatives may venerate tradwives (without, you know, giving them any kind of actual support) but god forbid you become a single mom, because they *hate* single moms.
My mom was a housewife and raised me to believe I could ne anything including a housewife too, but she always made sure I understood two things: - having an education is fundamental - I NEED to have my own money
“They need to find a man that’s misogynistic” 😦…What’s the point of loving a man who hates you and what would even motivate you to search for that ? Edit: Yes, i do understand the fact that it stems from internalized self hatred, but it also doesn’t seem like that’s the whole picture. I was mostly surprised by tradwives so blatantly projecting that onto others, but I guess making them see themselves as lesser would make them more interested in the “traditional life” that they promote. I know that it’s obvious, It’s just interesting to me how far someone would go for traditional gender roles. I tend to simplify misogyny into hate because it often is portrayed in that way, but in this case it’s more of a “find a man who hates woman who aren’t this and that so you can be that for him” I guess? It’s hard for me to word. 😅 I made this comment not long after the video came out so this was just my initial shock at the intro, and i wasn’t really focused on fully interpreting that until I watched the whole video, but thanks for the replies with your opinions!
The shitting on feminism is a slap in the face to the feminists who made sure SAHMs got alimony and child support to protect them from destitution. Benefits which are supposed to make the position much more enticing by adding extra security.
@@artisticbeautybyhanako6801 Feminism is the root cause of most of Americas societal problems. Feminism made women by and large more unhappy and easier targets for big corpa in late stage capitalism. Extra security is an understating. Alimony, bias divorce courts and no fault divorce has made marriage an absolute waste of time for most modern secular men which is why many of them abstain from marriage. The divorce rates speak for themselves. Feminism has ruined this country.
Women have changed, they have become feminists. They have destroyed old patriarchal values that have lasted thousands of years and one of those values is loyalty and family. When the feminist revolution reached Japan, and the Japanese saw that Japanese girls were going out into the streets to work for a boss, the Japanese got angry and invented "sexy robots" with artificial intelligence. In the future, when these robots are built in a more advanced way and are capable of physically and emotionally satisfying men apart from performing domestic and culinary tasks, the end of the feminist woman will come. Women will be extinguished from the face of the planet because men will go after the sexy robots and women will become sterile due to lack of penis, they will become prostitutes or lesbians and will not be able to leave descendants. And the remaining women will be sent to space museums preserved in glass containers filled with cirogenic liquid for preservation, and so that other extraterrestrial civilizations will realize what the 21st century woman was like, who destroyed entire cultures, and patriarchal values that lasted thousands of years, and caused countless domestic violence, bitter divorces and broken homes and they will blame their creator. And our creator will feel ashamed to discover that it never occurred to him to give ADAM the perfect wife, and he realized that men had become homosexuals and women had become lesbians, and he called his creation an ABOMINATION.
If tradwives just wanted to keep to themselves with their lifestyle, id have no problem with them. They'd still weird me out, but not disgust me so viscerally. But because theyre pushing it on their daughters and to young women online, i feel it is our duty to clown on them every chance we get, the same way i would to military recruiters at the mall
What’s wrong with military recruiters? The ones I see are pretty respectful and they kinda just show ads for the army or something while they try to get attention. Maybe it’s different where you live.
Tradwifery is not just a lifestyle, its a cult. A sinister, masochistic cult that (in Jungian Psychological terms) wants women to deny/repress their animus (masculine side).
This is why I’ll always think that someone who says feminism isn’t needed just outed themselves as misogynistic. Feminism will always be necessary, no matter what.
It's not only not needed, it's literally a detriment to society. What we need is equalism, a strive for genders to be treated equal in all aspects. That means with voting comes jury duty and draft. With no-fault divorce comes default 50/50 custody, and 50/50 child support. With equal prison sentences. With equal representation in all jobs, not only positions of power and cushy AC'ed office jobs(which is then turned off because it's too cold). Feminism just wants to eat the cake and have it too.
Or at least, a world that doesn't need feminism requires so much social change that it's literally just beyond our ability to fully conceptualize and probably will continue to be for hundreds of years more
@@rey_nemaattori That’s how I know that you have have no idea what feminism means. You’re associating a few women you personally find annoying with feminism. When feminism literally just means treating both genders the same. Saying we don’t need feminism is basically saying we don’t need women to be treated equally. That what you can’t seem to grasp with your narrow minded outlook. Also if feminism is such a detriment to society, then society isn’t worth it. Like seriously, do you hear yourself? “Treating a certain group of people the way you want to be treated is gonna collapse our economy, so we must treat them like they’re lesser.” Get outta here with that hogwash.
If tradwives want more women to choose to stay home, they should support policies like a generous welfare state and strong unions, because those were the conditions that existed in the 50's that even made it possible for so many women to not work
They don't care about that, because _their_ husbands are already well-off. Those "influencer tradwives" don't _actually_ care about other women's wellbeing, just about spreading propaganda.
@@M.Swigglez You’re* Also, contending for the expansion of welfare programs to promote the trad wife movement is like saying that we should sell more cigarettes to cure cancer.
"We tradwives have been advocating for women to have their rights taken away, and now men are treating us as second-class citizens! How could this happen?" 😭 Girl, what do you think a second-class citizen is???
I used to have a friend who would say she was antifeminism, would post things with "hashtag never a feminist" but she went to university, had jobs, rented her own apartment, dated multiple men, and when she got married and it went bad, she got divorced. I think I tried to point out that the way she lived her life wouldn't be possible without the work of feminist activists, but she wasn't interested in listening. Her anti-feminist stance was definitely connected to the very conservative religious culture that she was brought up in, and she would go in and out of practicing her faith with conservative-leaning communities that were pretty controlling, being too independent for them quash, leaving for a while, then going back. We eventually fell out over her anti-vax stance regarding the COVID vaccine and haven't spoken in several years, but last I heard, she'd partnered up with a guy who definitely had some misogynistic leanings and seemed thrilled to be with him.
that sounds like my family. they are all conservative catholics. I was the black sheep progressive of the family. my mom stayed at home for awhile cus it was just cheaper than getting a babysitter and her working minimum wage, but once my sister and I were in elementary for a few years she said she had nothing to do at home and got a job at our school cus it was just more money and less boring for her. When my sister grew up she went to hair school and works at a salon. she got married to a conservative douchebag and they moved next to my parents and used my mom as free babysitting since my mom could no longer work due to health issues. He kept saying he wanted more kids and shortly after the 3rd was born he said he didn't love her and that she kept demanding kids. they got divorced (also he tried to cheat on her before the first and they almost got divorced until they had the first one). When they had the first one my mom asked my gf and I to talk to my sister about abortion because they didn't believe in it, but they didn't want her to have a baby with the douchehole, because my mom was unwilling to talk about it. They couldn't do most of this stuff without the feminism they dislike. They are such hypocrites.
that’s wild. a lot of women like her don’t realize that feminism has empowered them to live their life the way they want to. they’re set in their beliefs and have no interest in growing or changing so you really do have to let them go 🫠
How is she religious but dates multiple men but then she says shes antifemintist? As a muslim woman feminism is littarly islam for those that dont agree because of hijab for example its just woman who have to wear hijab but its men too let me elabortate on what hijab means in arabic it means uniform. For woman they must cover their hair and body with baggy clothes for men they must also wear baggy clothes to cover their body. Islam was the only thing that gave womans rights back then when woman couldnt own a house to hwr name islam said yes she can. Especially in thr arab peninsula there was people burrying their own daughters becausw they believed girls were not as good as boys to the point of killibg/abnndonibg them islam says no a girl is a as good as a boy they are equal. And for the people who say islam only alows men to have 4 wives that is because back then a lot of men had died in wars so the widowed womab who couldnt own a hoise to her name how would she live? Since there was a lack of men 4 wives was permissible for thr sake of woman and if you want 4 wives Allah says that the wife must agree first and if she doesnt she has the right to divorce you and if she agrees then you must treat them equally by buying them seperate houses and third it is not recommend to have more wives in this day in age because now woman can have a house to their name but you can if you can buy two houses and treat them both equally and if the first wife agrees in the first place. Men and woman both have to cover but they both cover differently because men and woman are different but equal woman cover hair and body and men have to cover body both with baggy clothes you might see some muslim woman and men not wear hijab some people think they have the right to say something about it but no in islam you mudt only advise them but yoi cant force nor attack them for not wearing their hijab.
And both men and woman cant date. And that is because dating causes problems. Oh and im sorry i wrote a whole essay about islam is feminism i only wrote 1/3 about womans rights in islam. Islam has taught people for many centuries good things and i just have to share.
1. Feminism nowadays seems to support treating anything they don't agree with as misogynistic. 2. Religious conservativism is hardly oppression. 3. She was right about the vaccine it came out far too fast and there is no telling what the side affects were, you were petty to end the friendship over it. 3. Was it actually misogynist leaning or was he simply traditional
unfortunately, there are plenty of sjws that do give people hell for that. just like how masculine women were given crap in the 2010s because some women happened to have severe internalized misogyny to the point of rejecting everything girly.
YES! I’ve always said feminism isn’t about having no housewives ever- it’s about giving women the option to CHOOSE that life for themselves, rather than being forced.
@@PoppyRoseWitchthat’s the same purpose of conservative views. They want the ladies to have the option to stay at home and focus on their personal ideals rather than forcing women to go to work for someone else.
@@Crawlingdreams418 Its not that common anymore. It came from a time when being a housewife was _not_ considered a choice. That has changed as the idea of homemaking being the only option has given way to it being a choice (part of, though certainly not the core focus of, "fourth wave" feminism). But the fourth wave is still very new (a mere decade old) and there's still a lot of "SJWs" who haven't yet realized that we've moved passed the third wave (hell some are still caught up in the second wave, though those are mostly anti-feminists intentionally using outdated rhetoric to make feminism sound bad. Its kind of like claiming you're "anti-slavery" by insisting that slaves should be fed better. That might have sounded progressive by the standards of 1700 but the subtle suggestion that slavery is still acceptable sounds rightfully horrid by modern standards - and that sort of incongruity is exactly the intent of such people).
it’s so frustrating how tradwives openly advocate for strictly enforced gender roles and submission to men, but when they’re criticized they roll back their argument to “women should be allowed to want to be housewives and mothers!”, which is way more easy to defend and agree with. you get tricked into arguing about the most basic premise of choice feminism, while their influence grows into something much darker and more oppressive.
A master teacher once told me that “submission is cute when you’re in a position to opt out. That for a majority this is low key a game… a kink and nothing more”. A lot of these women don’t know what real subjugation is. I’ve spoken to a lot of older women that was young in 50s/60s. They expressed such envy for the young women of today. The options we have that they didn’t. I’ve heard nightmarish stories of abuse to the “I simply wish that I could have had my own money and a life outside my husband and kids”. I get wanting a certain life set up but these trad wives talk this sh*t but have laws on the books that will somewhat protect them whereas women of the past didn’t. Smh. It’s different to “trad wife” with no safety net and nothing in your favor.
Submission for these woman is easy because they live in stable western countries where they can opt out if things go south ask the woman living in Muslim societies we can’t even opt out we get beaten up and imprisoned
@@moethemoon that’s my beef with how these girls talk. The amount of women that have been unalived or worse fighting for women to have rights and access and this is how they talk?
I told my boyfriend once that I was sexually frustrated and he apologized to me for "neglecting my needs" and "being a bad boyfriend", because his mental health is poor and he's rarely in the mood. I had to be like, "_No_ honey. I am not entitled to your body. You are not neglecting me. You don't owe me sex. I'm just pent up; it's a me problem. I just like complaining." As a demisexual, I never thought I'd be on this side of that conversation, but it makes sense. Men are affected by all this too.
Lol I would've said the exact same thing and believe I was letting her down and not being, "man enough." Ahhh, inferiority complexes and gender expectations truly are a magical experience. 😂 You're an amazing partner btw, that was the best response you could've possibly given and you did it because you really felt that way. Never stop being outstanding. 😎
Fr, they internalize those concepts as well as internalizing the idea that their manhood relies on a type of "hyper" sexuality on their end, it's sad, and then women will be seen as not womanly enough if they have their own sex drives, it's a lose lose situation societally.
I'm a man who doesn't want kids. I'm dating a woman who doesn't want kids. I do most of the chores around the house due to some of her health issues. I don't mind this at all and like being able to do it for her. Instead of being mad at the fact that we won't conform to their ideology, why aren't they happy that we aren't having kids and furthering our "lib" agenda?
Because according to them marriage is sacre which leads to procreation a person who doesn’t want children should not marry and be celibate this is what they want but because you live in a democratic secular liberal society where these fundies do not have any political power to establish theocracy they are seething with anger
People who mind their own business are hated because miserable people think that makes them better so they want to tear down anything sensible people have
as someone who comes from a country where the patriarchy runs very deep and will be the first woman in her lineage who gets to decide whether to get married and who to do it with, as well as whether to have kids and will have the financial power to divorce if needed... i cannot explain the generational trauma that has been carried by the women in my family. all of the women in my family were unwilling "tradwives" and their lives were worse for it. my grandma told me every day how much she hated her life after being forced into submission by her husband (forced her to quit her job, moved her away from her family, left her miserable). you are not "stepping into your feminine energy", you are actively erasing progress because you are too scared to think for yourself and take control of your life. and the lingering impact this has on future generations is awful. i can't believe women are out here advocating for this.
@SigmaNationOfficial but these tradwives dont believe in choice, they think all women should be tradwives and not work, they harp on and on about how working is the worst thing ever and how feminism "ruined" everything, theyre not merely saying "i love being a wife and sahm" theyre saying "i love being a wife and sahm so therefore ALL women should and i hate feminism for ruining eveything" its funny cuz in reality tradwives would have a breakdown if no women worked, i mean they forget there would be no female doctors midwives or gynecologists then lol.
This person is a troll. First off, he made NO recognition of the human cost - the pain and trauma in miramenon's family experience, just a dismissive crack, all so he could whine. The he whines, despite repeated explanations by our video host that she does NOT have a problem , and why she does nit have a problem, with living any kind of lifestyle he says she does. *So he LIES.* @@gristen
I can't believe it either. It is ridiculous. And it is a BAD idea. Only a very warped man wants an adult relationship with someone who has abandoned her adulthood.
Weird that, when pressed, the tradwives insist they're only trying to "pursue their individual lifestyle preferences," but get them within 300 feet of a legislative building, and suddenly it's, "We need to forbid anyone from living a lifestyle contrary to the tradwife model."
Ikr?? I've seen trad wives make fun of women for not spoiling their husband like a baby and criticize work moms, but when criticized back, they get all defensive about being "in their feminine energy" and hiw they just feel sooooo tired by the corporate feminist world. Like??
“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. … Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her” They seem to be ignoring the loving husband part.
They also tend to (willingly or not) ignore the strong heroic women of the Bible: Deborah the prophetess, warrior woman and judge. Jael and Judith, heroic seductresses who used their charms to destroy the male enemies of their people, often killing by impaling or decapitating their heads (losing their heads over these women literally). Sheerah the architect and city founder. Huldah, the woman who interpreted the Book of Law and taught it to both men and women. These Fundies would often quote the Wife of Noble Character as an example of Godly (passive) womanhood, ignoring the fact that the Noble Wife also owns a vineyard and is an industrious, business-savvy woman.
On the one hand, it does imply that men and women are in the "image of god", but on the other hand, it does feature stories that involve marrying off women who are victims of war, allow one's daughter to get r***** and hacked to pieces to save a couple angels, and does have describe strict gender roles for women to be beholden to. So clearly that isn't true, because god discriminates.
It is really sad to see those tradwifes whom advertising serving others as a true women behaviour whereas me being a person who live in Türkiye and have a lot of neighbours who have no chance other than serving their husband and his whole family of 10. People should stop demonitizing feminisim and give the opportunity to the women who dont have their autonomous :(
The fact that whenever I look at these videos, it is most of the time a rich or a white woman (or both), and the parallel makes sense. They have a privilege and refuse to see anything outside of that bubble
I lost a neighbour a few years ago because she committed suicide. She was all alone in the Turkish mountains and had nothing to do then work and entertain her man... I felt so sad that I didn't help her with her learning English because she was trying to learn to communicate with us....
@@Fingerscrossedout Sorry for your lost. Unfortunately this is the reality of some of the women. It is just cruel how other women who have privilege still assert that the men are the victim.
Because it's "less complicated" to never criticise the husband in the moment and avoid causing small arguments (about what the housewife is allowed to say and do), it'll build up over time and cause more issues in the future when you realise your own husband never truly respected you as a person.
Honestly, I feel like the only appeal to be a tradwife is that its a kink. I don't think they realize its a kink of course, but as a person who likes to play on the submissive side during intimate situations, this is how I see it. Only they dont' know how kinks and consent work, so they think if they want a dominant partner some of the time, then they need to accept a dominant partner ALL of the time. That is the only way I can see how a person would actually ENJOY this kind of life.
all trad wives are masochistic and want to be dominated and ordered around by a evil vampire bad boy, who is cruel and emotionally distant and who has just stepped out of an otome game . this is the truth.
I have met many people in the BDSM groups insisting that it is not a kink to them. They hate the BDSM tag, because they believe that it dilutes their spiritual values as a "sex thing". Also, no one feels kinky all the time. It doesn't work that way.
Yeah, that woman going on about how she needed her man to ‘train her’ sounded like something out of a BDSM porno. It actually makes sense too to how they think that EVERY woman deep down wants to be treated like this.
As a feminist, I want all women (all people of all types, really) to have the freedom to decide for themselves how they want to live their lives. The problem I have with tradwives is not in the lifestyle they advertise but in the fact that they would choose their way of life and then turn around and try to deny all other women that same right to choose.
@@Alexandraadftxr7052 Some people think that everyone is coming after the "Traditional women," and their fan base is coming to their defense, or they're pulling the "Victim" card so that anyone can feel pity for these poor women.
exactly!! if these ladies prefer to live this way, good on them thats their ability to choose! but them deciding how everyone else around them should live like them ain't it. feminism is trying to give all women the right to choose how they live, so them deciding everyone should revoke their rights and be submissive fundamentally contrasts that. also feminism = wokeness or wtv to them which allows them to cultivate an audience that feeds into their rhetoric, so when people say "hey, we arent saying you cannot live like this, you just cant force others to do the same" they scream that people want to ruin traditional marriages when that isnt it at all we want people to not be forced into trad marriages and choose how they wish to live on their own merits
It wouldn't surprise me if a decent portion of tradwives don't want other people to have choice, cause they feel they had no choice, or chose wrong Like people getting mad at the prospect of student loan forgiveness, cause why should anyone get that, when they didn't Aka better to keep a bad system when you don't benefit from changing it(even though that's misjudging the change, cause in a world where everyone is equal and treated as such, everyone benefits)
The funniest part is that, apparently, she's not a virgin herself. She's everything she's complaining about, non-virgin, non-traditional, working. Everything she says is wrong with the world, she is
I find these big tradwife influencers to be so disingenious. They go on and on about how women should not work and instead be financially dependant on a man to provide for them, but are they not social media influencers who earn money from their posts as well?
Grifting is a core feature of most right wing "influencers", regardless of their particular niche. Up to and including Donald Trump himself - the wannabe king of the grifters.
lol as much as this shit is wild, tradwives dont believe they cant make any money, they believe they should not work a 9-5 and be the breadwinner in the house. theyre allowed side businesses and selling crochet shit or whatever tf lmaoo
The difference between a stay at home mom and a Tradewife is that a stay at home mom enjoy her personal choice but a tradewife believes all women should live their way of living it’s proselytizing
Alot of that is just classism. It's basically "women that have no money to bribe/sue their way to safety and comfort deserve abuse", most, or all, of these influencers have money and don't really depend on their husbands.
Yh the classism is insane, also in their insistence that women "in the past" didnt Work. Rich women didnt Work. Upper middle Classic women didnt Work, in Part because it showed the Status of the man. Now working Classic women and poor women? Aka the majority of women? They Ran businesses, they worked as seamstresses, they took in laundry (which is backbreakig Work without a washing machine), they went to Clean for richer households, they were domestic servants. The Idea that women didnt Work is ridiculous. They Just didnt Work in Jobs that These tradwives would respect
@@annabeinglazy5580there is a reason for this! it's the 50s and propaganda, in the 40s most average and upperclass women suddenly had to work and well, they loved it. 40s feminism was rapid but after the war they were expect to return to domestic life, no sense of freedom- so the push of the model house wife became, never angry, always listening, beautiful and pretty, etc etc but women were unhappy, and suffering. they were trapped, Shirley Jackson non horror domestic books really go into that feeling
We always hear about "tradwives" but absolutely nothing about "tradhusbands". Seems like a lot of men out there want a woman to wipe their ass and worship the ground they walk on but if a woman wants to depend on a man for all her finances (as is the traditional way) then she is a gold digger. Men who want tradwives cannot afford that lifestyle and women have more options now than they did traditionally. Raising a family on single income is unrealistic for most people.
The whole “woman wants career more than baby” thing that misogynist women love to say is so funny to me, bc I don’t have to center either of those things if I don’t want to. Yeah, I gotta have a job to pay the bills, and maybe one day I’ll have a family if I want to, but I don’t have to design my personality around either of those things lmao
18:40 feminist woman here. I'm a house spouse and I want to have kids. And the way they talk about babies instead of kids freaks me out. They don't stay babies. Eventually they start being their own people.
The core concept of feminism is that man and women should have equal rights and should not be seen as better or worse than one another. What upsets me the most is that this sentiment is controversial; it seems like it should be basic common sense. It's simply sad that the concept of equality is one of, if not the most, debated about topic. -A queer teen girl
As someone who grew up mormon, the "choice" to not be a stay-at-home-mom is one of turning against what your church leaders are saying, and thus going against God. I thought I was so rebellious for being a feminist, and being interested in STEM. So many women I knew would choose majors/careers like teacher, or human development based on "this is a good job to have once I have kids". However, men choosing their jobs based on "this is a good job to have once I have kids" is about providing financially for a family, so they become a dentist or an engineer. This is anecdotal evidence but I definitely think gender roles are just a given for a lot of fundie thinking.
Gender roles were a given for a long time because they actually work. Now we have other paths available to women that work. But the traditional way still works, too. To me that's a good way of looking at things. It avoids getting personal, which kills any discussion.
@Volkbrecht your a rarity. Most in this topic of discussion disagree. However reality and economics reign over tradition. As we head back into an industrial age style economy everyone will be working.
@@Volkbrechtif they actually worked and didn’t have women stuck in loveless and unhappy marriages where they would be institutionalized or murdered their husbands, then there would’ve never been a movement to begin with
As a hetero cis man. I truly think that Feminism has really helped me find a emotionally filling romantic relationship. Thanks for expanding my mind in regards to feminism
As an ex-believer I must say: where religion comes into play, there’s no choice. Please hear me. There’s no choice if you choose between pleasing your god or being thrown into the fiery pit forever.
I could’ve been married to a stranger now (purity culture) and, well, being constantly raped and forced to reproduce. Yes, “being available to your husband at all times ❤️” actually means “let him rape you whenever he wants”: it’s not sex if you don’t want it! There’s no way to sugar-coat it. Living as an evangelical woman, a Christ’s woman equals perceiving yourself as an inferior being who’s destiny is to make children, satisfy her husband and help others, but never herself. I’m so happy I got out of this hell when I was a teenager. Yeah, it was a little bit scary at first, but you know what. Doing just great without any imaginary friends or misogynistic rhetoric. My own person now. P.S. I am married, but it’s a healthy partnership, not a life of servitude.
Nope, there's a choice. The choices are just seen as threats. And if it's Christianity you're talking about, we're saved not by actions but by Jesus' grace. That's just my two cents.
@@phi4721, we must be from different denominations then. The one that I grew up in doesn’t tolerate such “sin” at all: if you keep at doing something “wrong” it means that you probably don’t have Jesus in you life. And choosing a path which the church doesn’t approve of is likely to be considered a sin. For example, getting married after a divorce or letting your child see a physiologist.
From a personal standpoint, I get where you're coming from. I do hate when some religions bastardize people for choosing to remain single, Christians especially. I'm still a Christian a faith based non denominational one. But I find it funny when fellow Christians don't even read the bible full enough to know, that God supported people being single and not having kids. Like for example First Corinthians 7:7: "I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am. It truly is sad how unloving and hypercritical people can be. Hope you are doing well.
Being single is seen as a blessing in the Bible especially the New Testament. I could find at least 10 quotes to support my words but In too lazy to search ahaha
I find it to be interesting that some of these Tradwives think that Feminism is the reason why women started working so much. It's not. It's the economies fold. The economy demands invention and growing productivity. This means women starting to work full-time was inevitable. Before we wasted an entire field which had to be balanced out. It did, that's all
@@louoaopcoaoroiod5687 Lol ok hun. Cope all you want, we’ll make more. The studies you are talking about are all self-reporting, which: maybe liberals and leftists are just a lot more honest than conservatives. Fifties housewives were drugged to the gills to get through the day, but I’m sure they would tell an interviewer they were super happy doing housework, cooking and childcare all day and night.
In this case they actually have it right. Women were working full time, albeit unpaid, before improvements in household devices, household chemicals and food supply increasingly led to a situation in which women without children in the household had time on their hands. They may have disliked their subservient fate before, but their work was essential to keeping the family afloat, so the question of paid work didn't even come up. So it's not like workforce was "wasted", and an argument could be made that we still can't really afford to have women working full time, because statistically they still do a lot of so-called care work on top of their paid jobs. The key issue here is to mentally separate the terms "labor" and "money". The rise of GDP we could create by having everyone paid for all their necessary labor is just a numbers effect. Nobody would really be any richer in such a scenario. Women were creating part of the wealth by providing unpaid services that became less labor-intensive, so that this workforce was liberated into the formal labor market.
Also those people do forget that, for most if not all of history, women either studies, worked or both. Rural women worked in the farms, because every pair of hands was needed. Women also made other type of works, albeit many being informal, like handcrafts and sewing and designing. The ones married to merchants and such helped in the store, and many also were the ones in charge of the finances. Upper class women had to be highly educated and good at many arts, because men wanted a mother that would teach their children right. They were more desirable for that reason. I mean, it’s there a saying about being an amazing woman behind every amazing man? Do they really conveniently forget that?
Unwanted sex with your partner is S.A. You have a choice to say "no" or "I'm not in the mood" or etc and they have a choice to respect your words. Marital S.A. is usually no violent. It is submitting to keep the peace.
It is frustrating because there are common problems that need to be addressed. I think this is, in some part, a reaction to those problems. I know several people that were in good relationships that fell apart because the woman lost all interest in sex after having children. All worked. All were exhausted. Several fell victim to irrational fears about children that have been promoted for decades. They believed child abductions were rampant. They conflated the number of missing persons reports filed in 🇺🇸 each year with confirmed stereotypical stranger abductions. In reality 90% of MPR’s filed are simple misunderstandings about whereabouts that are cleared from the system within hours but still count toward the yearly total of MPR’s filed. We have about 100 stereotypical stranger abduction of minors in 🇺🇸 a year. It’s often under 100 now and that’s out of 80 million minors. It’s always been an incredibly rare crime. The majority abducted by strangers are and have always been runaway teens on the streets. Yet… most put their kids in the bed because they were terrified that someone would abduct their child if they weren’t in the same room. Their husbands ended up on the couch for a decade + before saying - I’m not doing this anymore. Of course menopause can cause a decline in libido. Today we do have some better alternatives to combat this but interestingly enough, several sex negative radfems and fundies fight against these treatments. I do think (hetero) sex negative radical feminism set up some bad mindsets that might not be helpful if you actually value your marriage. A good couples therapist will tell you that intimacy is important and instead of getting set in a pattern of saying you are not in the mood you should try different activities to see if you can get into the mood. Of course that’s not every single time. A person shouldn’t say yes every time they are not in the mood and they shouldn’t say no every time, resulting in months - years without sex. Both are going to be a recipe for disaster. Acting like marital SA never happens or it’s an impossibility is not going to help anyone.
@@pollysshore2539 they should say no when they're not in the mood, but communicate as best they can why, and look into ways that might help them get in the mood.
@@chlyri That’s what any therapist worth their weight would recommend. Sometimes people are just stuck in a rut. There is another layer in relation to purity culture. It creates a lot of mental and physical issues surrounding sex but it a common outside of this circle as well just due to life getting in the way.
@@chlyri You can’t ignore the fact that sex comes with many health benefits, both physically and mentally. If people can get out of the rut it can help in more than one way.
@@chlyrilisten. Listen. Sometimes there doesn't need to be a why. Sometimes you don't HAVE to get in the mood. You can just not feel like it and that's okay.
Overall really loved the video and all the points you made. As a bit of an amateur history nerd, though, I'd like to offer one little nitpick - 'traditional roles' for women where they only worked in the home was typically a luxury only reserved for middle to high-class (usually white if you're talking about American/European) women. Working class women, including white women, rarely had the luxury of staying at home to take care of the kids and the house - older children were expected to look after the younger ones while their mothers worked. They worked in shops, in factories, or on farms doing agricultural work for harvest, shearing, plowing, weaving, brewing, and so on in addition to the domestic tasks they were also expected to handle. From what I've read, the phrase 'a woman's work is never done' is very apt for most women through history, because while the man could work a full day, then expect to come home and put his feet up by the fire, a woman seldom had that luxury - she was working a full day, AND then occupying every spare moment she had with childcare, cleaning, mending and so on. Basically, the 'traditional housewife' of the 50's is a middle class white woman's fantasy. It was never the reality for most people.
Middle class women only had that luxury in some eras - remember the 50's was all about getting appliances so you did not need servants. You are right, it was older kids - and grandmothers - who took care of little children. Any kids that were not working themselves.
Yeah as a Mexican American I HAVE to bring up the Bracero program during and after the war. If 1950s white america wanted white women to stay at home they used immigrant farmworkers to do the work regardless of gender. Mexican women for generations, and *to this day*, feed their kids by being housecleaners to those affluent households.
something i adore about your videos is that you're able to hold these super important nuanced conversations while simultaneously being humorous and attentive to your own aesthetic without any of those elements being a detriment to the others, and instead they just uplift your videos and messaging💜
i remember going to church as a kid and they read bible verses about women submitting to men etc... i was so shocked and felt insulted, couldn't believe my mother would want me to hear such a thing. had an interesting conversation about it with her after but it still is incredible how adept christians are at compartmentalizing and just taking shit with no desire to change things for the better.
I also hear people say: 'That's just the jezebel in you.' Whenever someone got a bit upset with those ideas. Like excuse me? We can’t just ignore the issue and call people jezebel's.
Girl, I feel you! I'm christian too, but man sometimes it feels like other christians want to put me in a box. Like I'm not here to live their life, I'm here to live mine. It's no one else business, if you and your husband decide to have kids or not, exept God obviously.
Do what I do about driving a beater and having a mullet by choice. Stop caring about the perceptions you perceive people have of you. You aren't sinning. You have nothing to be ashamed of.
They really don’t get you can follow Jesus’ teachings without having kids 😔 it gives you time to participate more in the community when you don’t have to constantly be behind your kids. Why do they think most participants are older people that have adult children they don’t have to take care of anymore?
my mother was a housewife for a large part of my childhood. she was DEFINITELY not a tradwife. I hate how the two are conflated. it's completely fine for either a father or a mother to decide they want to stay at home for child care. it is NOT fine to insult everyone who doesn't want the same thing.
When I was in high school( Christian school btw) my principal once said that women need to be like crowns on their husbands heads.She didn’t explain what that meant so we all kinda just went like “ok?”. A decade later I get it now: Women should be pretty pieces of jewelry that should only be showed off when their husbands feel like taking them out and wearing them around other people. Just pretty to look at,silent,and an accessory for a man.
The thing about “choice feminism” too, is that it completely disregards intersectionality. Does the disabled person have the choice to *not* be a stay at home mother? Does the abused wife have the choice to work or not work, or even choose her job or keep her wages? Do black married couples have a choice about whether to be a single or double income household when the employment market refuses to pay them the full worth of their roles? Does a first generation immigrant child have the choice to not go to university for whatever her parents decide will be best for the family? And that’s just a tiny percentage of examples in the USA alone.
That is not a term I use because I grew up watching radical feminists, holding hands with Christian Nationalists on the right in solidarity while creating repressive and oppressive legislation with them, pointing their fingers at sex positive feminists (the movement was made up of several different types of feminists and tended to be focused on liberation, was less carceral, acknowledged intersectionality, sought to remove unconstitutional/religious based policies used to oppress & repress) and decrying then as “choice feminists”. Linda Hirshman (I did not like her) was one of the radfems that used it to chastise. She had no problems with the horrific treatment/nasty bullying of some feminists at the hands of WAP. I still see many decrying choice feminists today with choice feminists being anyone that supports sex workers rights. Gawd forbid the authoritarians don’t get to control everything happening in your bedroom. Basically choice feminism has = a very good thing for the majority of my life. It has = people that think of the collective, acknowledge intersectionality, support choices for women in several different boats, etc. It’s kind of ludicrous to apply it to women that don’t want you to have a choice outside of what they deem fit at all.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned here… Linda would also sing the praises of Evelina Giobbe. Evelina was a former sex worker (a term radfems still hate because it came from sex workers themselves in the 1970s who were trying to prioritize their need for workers rights/safety) that worked at radfems first shelter for women in the trade. She SA and physically abused several. She was known for hitting/slapping/forcibly assaulting women that went there for help until they proclaimed that they were, “her bi*ch now.” Some have tried to memory hole her court case but you can still find info on it with digging. I shared it left and right when Cat MacKiinnon sang her praises in an NYT article about OF.
This whole thing reminds me (brittish) of an article i read from a Conservative/Tory woman who was scornfull of feminism untill she attended a women and mental health seminar- and learned about post partum depression. See, she had become severely low, flat, and anhedonic after her pregnacy and birth of her child, and had never even been told that post partum depression was a thing- so she was walking about with severe untreated depression, feeling guilty and 'broken' because she wasnt experiencing motherhood with joy like shed been taught was 'normal'. In the artical she said that hearing about post-partum depression for the first time, realising it was common, treatable, and NOT a moral defect made her cry. It also made her realise that she needed to re-think her position on feminism because 'if it could happen with this, what else could be being ignored'. This woman was a white middle-upper class journalist, and its striking to me that it took it happening too her- in a way she recognised as harmful- for her to rethink her position. Idk it just strikes me that these women have the privalage to not only be sheilded from some of the nastiest consequences of their beliefs, but also the privalage to alienate and ignore those who are hurt. Deem them 'inferior' women. Unless it happens to them of course. But of course RECOGNISING it has happened to you- identifying an injustice as what it is can also be hugely difficult. How was that lady to know that proper mental health care had been withheld from her when the framing she had to use to make sense of it was one of moral failure and shame? How can you advocate for your rights if the knowledge you need to idenify them is withheld from you? And thats before we even get into the emotional trauma of recognising abuse/oppression as abuse. The realisation itself- that the people who aught to care about you dont, and are in fact willing to accept your being hurt as part of normal life if it benifits them- is a really fucking painful realisation. Its not uncommon for people being abused (or witnessing abuse) to reframe it in a way that makes it 'ok' for the mistreatment to have happened- because that preserves the sense of a safe 'positive' community to be part of. We're social animals, we survive as a group, so to realise that that group doesnt have your best interests at heart is devestaiting in its own right. I think thats probably part of the appeal for these trad wives- to see what tgey do as wrong would require not just re-assessing themselves but the people around them too. The people theyre hurting (especially their daughters) by spreading this rhetoric- but also tge ways they may have bern hurt or constrained by the ideology- the interests theyve given up, the needs theyve ignored, the insults theyve taken, the lack of boundries/safety/choice (especially regards to sex). Sadly, far right movements are also (unsuprisingly) a hot bed of domestic violence too- like, obviously abusers occur accross all parts of the polictical spectrum, but the far right especially fosters and attitude of entitlement and control regarding womens bodies and time. Its almost a perfect environment in which to abuse someone and get away with it. So theres likely litteral domestic violence in the mix for some of these women too. Just. This mix of privalage and precarity, proclaiming safety while putting yourself and others in danger.....its car crash awful to watch, but deeply facinating too. And i deeply love your speech at the end that they should try seeking safety elsewhere. Its such a kind, and genuinely helpfull thing to say in the face of some people who spout truly disgusting views on the regular. Bravo!❤
One thing that annoys me about Tradwives is that they don't want men to have choices either. I'm sure they would have a fit if a stay-at-home dad showed up to one of their stroller jogs.
So glad you're covering this! Raised relig right "pure" here, scary wondering who I'd be if not for leaving at 18 (Army). Early notes: "Find a man that will train you" is _so creepy,_ it's not like she means healthy BDSM fun. (Also F you blondie, we cook when we want to, MYOB)
Personally, one of the most important aspects of my feminism is unironically, think of the children. Tradwives on tiktok are not making their choice in a vacuum. They're promoting it to girls and young women who don't understand that being dependent on a man makes it harder for a woman to leave an abusive relationship. I feel this way about other things, like cosmetic surgery. Your body, your choice but normalising it on social media means kids are going to grow up with unhealthy ideas about their bodies. Feminism shouldn't be about the individual, it should be about the collective, about what we owe to each other, especially what we owe to kids, what kind of world we want the next generation of girls to grow up in
I’m a French feminist and very recently in my country, abortion became a liberty more than just a right by being written in the French Constitution. While I understand ppl who disagree with this inscription in the Constitution, I feel a relief for my rights. This isn’t about killing babies it’s about saving a woman from being forced to have a baby after a rape or else. I’m so glad my country made this decision bc it’s the first country to do so. I just hope conservatives can change their wrong ideas from abortion…
Abortions have been legal in France since the mid '70s....up to the 10th week of pregnancy, I think. So would you be okay with legal abortions in rape cases only? I'm asking, because the majority of abortions are not due to rape, but sexual recklessness. While I am pro abortion in such cases, let's not fool ourselves and claim that women want it only for that reason. Many forms of birth control are freely available, and unborn children have a right to be spoken for as well. Abortion shouldn't be treated as a get out of jail free card after a drunk night out.
Babies are not aborted. Fetuses are aborted. And abortion is not only for rape victims. It’s for whoever wants one for whatever reason that is no one’s business. It’s about a woman having control over her body. Why are you focusing on rape victims, I don’t know.
@@RenataKleinRK Women have control over their bodies. Nobody forces them to get pregnant. Part of that control is personal behavior, which in turn carries responsibility for said behavior. A fetus is a developing baby, so we are already talking about an innocent human life here that shouldn't get destroyed for matters of convenience...that's evil. Even feminists understand that which is why they are using rape as their main argument for abortion. Women are biologically very different from men and as such they are not in a position to treat sex the same way as men do. That may not be fair, but it doesn't change the fact that women need to show more restraint. Birth control is freely available, including condoms, so maybe it's not too much to ask that women accept accountability when they do get pregnant.
@@RenataKleinRK Women have control over their bodies. After all, who but yourself decides who you sleep with? So it's not about control; it's about responsibility and accountability. And I'm sorry, but adults can be expected to act responsibly and to be held accountable. Not just in terms of pregnancy, but also STD's and other risks that come with sexual activity. It's the same with everything else in life: you do certain things and there might be unwanted consequences. So who do you have to blame but yourself? There is no human right to get bailed out of having made bad decisions.
The statement "we r biologically hardwired to have kids so not wanting kids is weird" really sounds like saying that im weird for not wanting to be depressed because im biologically hardwired to have depression😅
You would think if every woman is biologically hardwired to want kids there wouldn't be so many women not wanting kids. Doesn't seem all that hardwired to me
@ic5889 right? It wasn't even that hard for me to go against my "hard-wired biological instincts". I used to think that every married couple just had kids whether they gave birth to them or adopted them (that's on being raised religious). I heard of couples (and people) who deliberately choose to not have kids at around 12/13 for the first time and realized "Oh, so having kids is optional? Cool, I don't want them, having kids sounds exhausting."
Yesss! And what are you supposed to do according to these tradwives when you still don't want children? ...Have them anyway and then both you and the children will be miserable?
What happens when tradwife is dumped for a younger or more “tame” tradwife and is left with a dozen kids and no visible means of support. Pretty sure this happens as men have pretty much had their cake and ate it too !
The fact that jesus respected and even told a working woman to take a break and sit down from her work while he was sharing the word so she can join in is often times moments that these trad wives overlook, ontop of that jesus would probably hate the modern day christian 😭😂
jesus was quite literally everything these conservatives hate lol. His wonderful teachings got co-opted and edited by the church and priests. The devil has infiltrated a long long time ago
Wollenstonecraft: Throws patriarchy under the bus in public, passes, has her husband throw the patriarchy under the next bus after she's gone just so everyone's sure Her daughter: Time to invent goth and sci fi And bluntly, the nerds of the world owe them both a debt
Seriously though it's okay to do housemate(housepartner?)/stay at home parent stuff if people want. It's just reeeeally important to remember that the alternatives are also fine, and in a lot of ways the various modes of life are symbiotic. Parallel structures, baybee.
What I resent, as a woman, is that women are discussed in such reductive ways, as though we were a hive mind whose collective agency is subject to public referendum. Why does society assert a prerogative to talk about women, and not men, that way? Another thing is that if any concept touted as "the natural order" is violable, is possible to conceive of being disobeyed, then it's not the "natural order."
PREACH- if women were biologically designed to be submissive, society wouldn't have had to be organized around keeping us subservient. And even though it was we STILL rebelled and fought to get to where we are now. How much more proof do you need that there's nothing "natural" about this? Female ANIMALS in the wild go out and hunt. Humans made this shit up!!
My heart especially goes out to the daughters with tradwife moms, especially with the one post with a tradwife bragging about teaching her young daughter that her purpose is to serve her future husband and she should depend on a man. Doesn't sound like much energy is going into her self-worth or self-esteem, especially if the only path laid before her is that of a tradwife in training.
THANK YOU for acknowledging disabled people when addressing the "what if your husband leaves you?!" argument. i'm disabled and dependent on my partner and that one always makes me feel like shit. like i'm being regressive because i can't be the Strong and Independent Career-Driven Woman i'm supposed to be, and it would be my fault if said partner decided to leave me in a ditch lmao. a lot of feminism really is only focused on abled white women (although i should note i don't identify as a woman- but i'm AFAB and a lot of people would still see me that way, so i'm still sort of tied up in it)
girl i'm straight (and living proof that sexuality is not a choice lmao) and these women are baffling to me. I think a lot of the willingness to listen to this rhetoric and choose this lifestyle comes from a combination of ignorance and privilege. I think many of them just don't grasp the larger concepts at play and why this lifestyle is problematic. Not that ignorance is an excuse of course, esp when they think anyone not following their lifestyle is inferior. I think it often doesn't occur to them that even if we wanted to, many ppl cannot choose this lifestyle. I wonder how many of them come from a very fundy religio type background where they were very sheltered in their upbringing. I would feel bad for them if it wasn't for the fact that they want to take My rights and Your rights, not just their own.
They think if they willingly bash other women, men will think they are "one of the good ones" and spare them. They should study history because that ploy never works out so well.
To understand American women, we must understand slavery because women were the first slaves & will be also be the last. In America, during slavery, there were two classes of slaves, house slaves & labor. When the master's house caught on fire, the house slaves would scream " master, master, our house is on fire" & the field slaves would dance. Black political consciousness is far more developed than poor white movements because they know the difference. When young white women live ignorantly in the privilege of white male wealth & male approval, they foolishly believe the house is theirs until they are deemed useless & disposed of. Only after their divorce, do privileged trad wife women come to understand they were always poor dependents. (One of the biggest growing impoverished classes in America is divorced middle-aged women.)
I'm pretty sure they're like that because of *jazz hands* calvinismmmm, a Baptist branch of reformed Christianity that believes human beings are degenerate and filthy at their core. Real loving liberal bunch.
I'm glad you featured Peachy Keenan - I found out about her cause Audible suggested a pre-order of her book on the app. I don't believe she's that influential, no matter how much she wants to influence the world so it's interesting to see someone else covering her. My nightmare is she's a real life Serana Joy from the Handmaid's Tale but I doubt that many people agree with her and want to go back to an older pre feminist world. The one b!tch saying mothers should shame their daughters for gaining a few pounds makes me furious - does she know how toxic body image and diet culture is to women and how serious eating disorders are?
I remember the fat shaming lady, and to be blunt I don't think she cares. I believe she's Nicole Arbor, she made a video called "Dear Fat People" years ago, when she was trying to be a comedian. Sounds like she's moved away from comedy, but is still playing to conservative sensibilities. And, obv, still fat shaming. Edit; Figured I'd clarify that I don't know for sure if that's Nicole Arbor or not, it's been lord knows how long since I last spared her any real thought. If it is, yeah, she really doesn't care about the harm she may cause. Never seemed to care at all.
In the media we consumed as kids, there was always this big overarching theme of, “the battle between good and evil will never rest” (with some added optimism of “but good always triumphs” as to not get the kids too jaded too quickly). Seeing the same core themes used to dehumanize and oppress the same groups of people between different eras, just dressed up with modern sensibilities, really drives that idea home. No matter how far we’ve come in our progress against hate and oppression, there will always be people who are searching for a reason to other people and look down on them. We can win battles (such as women’s suffrage and outlawing slavery), but there is no end to the war. This is why the “battle of good vs evil” theme is so important; good doesn’t triumph on its own. Good triumphs when someone stands up and fights back against evil to keep people safe for another day.
I live with a self hating tradwife because she's infertile. I told her once that I wish she didn't devalue herself because she can't have a kid and at first, she immediately replied, "I don't devalue myself because of it." To which I responded with a questioning stare. her :"Okay I guess I do..."
So? I may become infertile due some upcoming surgeries I may have to get and the thought of being infertile is worse than death to me. I also know it will make me less desirable as a partner because men are human beings and human beings generally want to create their own families. I’ve yet to meet a man that doesn’t want kinds and I desperately want to have more children so yeah infertility is truly devastating.
@@AasiyahMuhammed_777 I think it can be devastating to some. I never wanted my own kids, I always said that if I wanted to be a mother, I'll adopt. Nor was my ex husband interested in becoming a parent, nor is the man I'm currently connecting with...so maybe, get out more? not everyone sees themselves or other women who don't have or want kids as less valuable. wth
*Thank you for the latest video, mother. I shall cherish this greatly.* Sidenote: Trad-wives lowkey seems like they were groomed into becoming the way they are themselves...especially being "trained" by the man behaving the way they should. Is this a cry for help?
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Hey, so Ik this is a very small portion of a (fantastic) long video, I kind of take issue with the way you characterize people who say “what happens when your husband dies/leaves/@buses you”. Maybe the people you’ve encountered say it with sneers, but it is vital to inform women in these positions of their precocity. I guess we have to extend immense grace to the group of women that dehumanize us, but caring about the ways in which women in their position are oppressed is not being mean. It’s discussing the “workplace hazards” of the stay-at-home wife/mother. It’s out of extreme care and fear for (often gr00med) young women growing up in fundamentalist spaces that drives this need to spread this info. You said in other places it was good, but it just felt weird the way you basically said that the very likely circumstances they will be thrust into are a danger they must plan for (and aught to have social safety-nets for-regardless that their the ones who rally against them) is somehow a cruel insult to them rather then genuine care and a deep desire for solidarity with people who-at present-want nothing to do with ‘feminists’ (or as they might say ‘sad ugly d!kes). Idk food for thought sorry for the essay💛
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19:03 to anyone who wants to get triggered
Damn I took the bait! It’s a shame she didn’t continue that passage in Ephesians where Paul literally told husbands to die for and serve their wives like Christ served and died for the church. I’m actually really disappointed. Like..why not read the full passage and give the correct context? It’s like she’s trying to present a false narrative 😮
Just in case anyone was curious on how the rest of the passage of Ephesians goes:
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Ephesians 5:25-33 NKJV
"Find a man that will train you" ...I am.. *truly* disgusted... Find a man that doesn't treat you like a puppy. You are a grown adult, if you feel like you need to be 'trained', consult with a therapist if changing your behaviour is the goal...
See but now I finally understand why this is a kink. Some people like the power structure of training and protocol dominance and submission, but that can only be healthy if it's negotiated equally with the goal of enriching each other's lives.
Yes. How to say, "I'm into BDSM" without actually saying it.
I will never train a woman, I will grow with a woman.
@@JoMoestarI'm don't think this type can be healthy or consensual in any way, it's straight up gross and shouldn't be normalized, she literally said "women need to be trained", she needs therapy, not a form of ab×se.
Agree. Also to add, majority of men can't actually alone provide for women and children, a lot of families need two incomes to survive. This would imply that only men who have means "deserve" (what an ugly statement!) a woman who is, by their own logic, some kind of trophy or an object. It's really bad for men as it's bad for women.
Folks forget that middle class housewives and upper class women used to just, er... widow themselves. Especially those with abusive spouses. Legal recourse was slim to none for victims of abusive spouses. Divorce, and feminism, saved plenty of men from a lovingly prepared final meal.
Yes, this is how my grandma made it stop! The whole community hated the man for their own reasons aside from how they all knew what he was doing to her. And so, after dozens and dozens of times when he made her lie to people and say "I fell", that was what the sheriff said after his investigation. That he was known for his proclivity for the drink, and he was too intoxicated to handle himself, injured his head from a bad fall. And she worked three jobs most of the next 40 years so that nobody could hurt her or the children again... She was so broken by then, she didn't care about herself much anymore. But the guy curb stomped any option to keep living that way when he had the audacity to beat on their little girl just as bad as if he was beating on his wife. And he was so brutal, gram needed both knees surgically replaced when she was just in her late 40s, a result of the ways he'd make her stay in the house.
With this being part of my family history, I can't help but wonder how many of the internet-converted tradwifes / future tradmothers are going to develop an impasse in the way they're able to live with their crappy husbands after seeing their defenseless young children get treated badly by the man / men in their world 😢
It’s very disturbing to think that so many women who committed “petty tyranny,” were really just at the literal end of their rope and killed their husbands to save their own lives or those of their children.
Saw a mexican movie with this as a sub-theme, gruesome stuff
@@marysupernova7780Unfortunately the worst kind of pick me women will proyect their man over their kids every time,no matter what they do the kids. I'm sorry your gram suffered so. She sounds like she was incredibly strong, to stand and protect her children and remove the threat to them.
Yup. There’s a reason that “cute little old lady who murdered her husband” is such a common stereotype.
Promoting the TradWife lifestyle is paradoxical. The TradWife purports to stay at home, raise the children, while the husband works. But these influencers who promote the TradWife lifestyle are working, often times quite hard. These women are essentially media companies; they film, edit, post, comment, and maintain engagement. In fact, women-of-color have often had to work outside their homes, in the homes of white women.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Their husbands are not the sole breadwinner so obviously they married weak a** dudes. 😂 of course, they just blame feminism for making the cost of living so high that a single income cannot support an entire family with a ton of kids. (I have 5, so I’m not judging the number of kids.) But it is their beloved Conservative politicians who are truly killing all the things Trad Wives claim to hold dear.
The "Homesteading" flavor of all these trad wives are often old money, or married rich, or both. This isn't a real lifestyle. It's the illusion of one.
Whenever I tell them that they get angry with me, go through my page and attack me personally.
Usually "What are you doing here, aren't you supposed to be busy serving your husband? A woman has no business knowing about these topics, are you trying to tempt other men? Won't he be angry with you?" Makes them go off as if I lit them on fire. Most of the things I say are things they've posted before calling out other women, by the way.
Most of the times they harass me for the grand sin of being poor, not stating if I have a husband already and of course being childless... At the ripe age of 19.
The sheer privilege is hilarious really, because I literally became homeless to a war in my country, and they would know it since they looked at my account... But it's not enough for them? But don't they know that there will inevitably be rich and poor with the current economy???
See also Phyllis Schlafley who was constantly on that grind only to discover in the world of conservative politics there was a glass ceiling she couldn't breach.
JustPearlyThings is a perfect example of someone who wants women to live a traditional lifestyle but I don’t think she even has a boyfriend. She’s all bark no bite, and a lot of these influencers are.
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Theoretically, if a husband tells his tradwife to become a feminist, wouldn't she have to?
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Can we get progressive men to infiltrate and trick these wannabe tradwives into being feminists?!
It really doesn't take much to break their mind. They're into that.
“find a man that will train you” i would rather be lost in yosemite with no supplies
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i mean it depends what he trains me IN. the blade? the way of the ninja? woodworking? perhaps blacksmithing? 🤔
@@waterissogood in a better world it would be 😔😔😔
so real
These are the same guys that say they don't have the intrinsic skills to keep house, cook, or raise kids.
But, yeah, they're going to train us 🙄
"biologically wired" bro im biologically wired to think a pile of clothes on my computer chair is a monster in the dark so what
Underrated 😂.
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I'm biologically wired to have a fight or flight response when talking on the phone so what
I am biologically wired, to ignore people with hypocricy tendencies...😂
I’m biologically be wired to be gay… so they really don’t care about “biological wiring”
Were biologically designed to poo on the floor. Why aren’t we all pooing on the floor???
I am never having kids lol. I’m disabled. I’m my own kid considering society doesn’t care about my needs. ❤
@@globblin1734 All love your way. I'm also choosing not to have kids.
And some people are biologically programmed to be gay, yet they condem that…
a lot of bathrooms in asia have squat toilets, which are in the floor! and if you go hiking and have to go, well... dig a hole....
@@theefartmanah yes because floor = floor with hole that where the poop disappears, you’re describing toilets babe, toilets are on floors but floors doesn’t always have toilet
The I Do=Consent argument would quickly be thrown out of the window if the woman wanted to peg these men but obviously these rules only really go one way.
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HAH good way to sum it up
Nailed it. No pun intended.
As I've seen on the internet,
"Men [those who support 'trad values' or are right wing in genera] will see stuff like cat calling or sexual harassment as fine, up until it's a gay man doing it to them".
For real
So women have to be mothers cause thats what biologically they were made to...
I dont remember men being biologically made to have jobs.
Hi, former Christian here! When they say "biologically," they mean "biblically."
According to them, God made our bodies work the way they do, and that strict gender roles are both biological and biblical.
I mean, you jest, but as an exvangelical that actually is what they say haha
That men are “wired” for jobs and women are “wired” for childbearing. Because Genesis 3 dontcha know
@@lanaharper9798 but I seen it more as biblically wired to do so.
And not 'biologically' when 'designed' at creation.
Men were told to work hard as punishment for eating the fruit. And women were punished with pain.
So biologically women should have children and obey husbands cause that's what they were designed to do.
But men weren't designed to work hard (and I think it specifically talks about toiling the earth being hard and not all work generally, (which funny cause that has often been women's job too, so what punishment did men really get?))
But I can't think of what were men designed to do at creation, listen to God? Take care of animals? (Which in garden definitely wouldn't be a hard job, so not like it called for some special biological design)
@@kristajones7202science too? it’s not like we have the reproductive organs designed for the purpose of birthing right??? /s
it’s more so about their instinct to provide… how do you provide in an economy? working
*It is not freedom to choose your cage, it is the unwillingness to break out of it.*
What cage? What the hell are you talking about?
@@OliverNorth9729 its a metaphor in relation to the video
@@OliverNorth9729 it's obviously metaphorical. can't you understand figurative speech?
@@ghoot Those grown women chose their lifestyles. Shes the one with a problem from it.
@@OliverNorth9729Why are so you aggressive calm lil bro
My aunt is a tradwife. She’s now in her 60s and very insecure about her body weight to the point she will starve herself, extremely lonely because her kids and grandkids are grown and not around much, has literally nothing to do because she’s exhausted her hobbies, and slowly going into dementia. Yea she lives in a half million dollar home, but she doesn’t seem happy.
To be fair, this can happen to any retired person. It's a challenge to many to find a new purpose.
The child-hating narrative is so frustrating to me as a teacher, because I put my whole heart and soul into guiding and supporting the children that I teach. Just because I don’t want children of my own doesn’t mean that I don’t love and care for them. We all can do that in different ways.
Well the push to delete babies in the womb, make children believe they can change their gender as well as there being mothers on post about believing their children to be future grapists does not pai t a picture of hate for children
This! I never will want or have kids, but I adore my nephew and spoil him
@TheForestBeganToSing333 Be warned their is a push to expose children to rather extreme adult content make sure your nieces parents are aware of this
To me too. I so want to be a mom for example, but explicitly with a carrer. Those are live aspirations. Like things I have deep desires for. Not soemthing that somhow is exclusive. They make echother harder, sure. But they come from the same spot in my heart that drives my being. It is me. I want to be the best engeenier I can be. I want to be a mom. I want to teach my children math and giggle with them at every little thing about building stuff when they learn they can do that. I want to show them the passion I have. I want to use my (non existant asside from in dreams) family to further my desire for my job. To do well to support them but also to do well because I am loved and happy and my children inspire me to the world in diffrent ways uniue to there person. I want to be me who and why are they to think they could possibly understand the complexity of me desires?
I wanna end up being a teacher too. I'm from India and the context is a little different here : teachers HAVE to be respected just bcaz they are older than you - and a lot if teachers in India exploit this and are essentially not good teachers. I wanna become the kind of teacher i would have needed growing up.
"Non-Virgin women" cause all of the world's problems, yet being childless is apparently also a massive problem. Not everyone can be the Virgin Mary, ladies.
Not even the virgin Mary could be the virgin Mary. That was a mistranslation.
Exactly!
@@FlyingFox86 Damn, poor Mary.
@@TuesdaysArtwhy, sex is normal and healthy, as long as it's consensual
The girl who was saying that is an unmarried non-virgin woman lol
Not so fun fact - that whole “pain in childbirth” thing from Genesis was still used in some Catholic hospitals in North America into the 2000s to deny women in labour epidurals or other pain relief. It may still be happening - I only know it was occurring when my peers and I were having our babies.
That is so fucked up.
That is not how that verse should be interpreted. None of the curse in genesis is prescriptive-- it's descriptive, telling the result of sin.
Maybe if we want to interpret it prescriptively we should throw out all our farming tools to make work harder for men as well.
Isn't the point of a baptism absolving a person of original sin? Not to mention, that whole cross thing?
This was a general religious thing in my country. My mother and grandmother's generation didn't get epidurals. Hospitals didn't even have them. This crossed over from religion into culture. Nowadays my country is largely secular but many women will refuse epidurals because they feel like it's cheating. Even if they have never held a bible in their hands.
The Catholics have hospitals? I thought they were all Baptist and Methodist
It's still happening sometimes in my very Christian country. Women tell stories about being denied painkillers untill they literally beg for it in tears, sometimes even then they are told that it's not that painful.
What's hilarious is that historically housewives have done unbelievable amounts of backbreaking labour. Even just laundry pre-washing machines was a grueling ordeal that took multiple days. This magical relaxed housewife fantasy is just that, a fantasy.
It may be historical now in the Western world, but in many parts of the world it's not. Many women are still "traditional women" who farm, take care of animals, run small shops to sell crops or beads, collect firewood and water for cooking, build homes, wash clothes in rivers, and much much more. And on top of all that, they take care of children! These TikTokers want to be upper class American suburb 1950s house wives...Not very "traditional" if you go back far enough lol
It's the heterosexual version of the queer cottagecore fantasy 😭
theres a very simple breakdown for housewife vs. tradwife:
a housewife wants her daughters to be happy, a tradwife wants her daughters to be tradwives
a trad wife has the same roles as a house wife, they both love their daughters just because it’s not something that you want doesn’t mean they don’t love them. why say that a mother who stays home and looks after the children and house and husband not care about her family? disgusting
@@hello.kittyxo930no woman that loves her children, truly, would want to subject them to the violent self-loathing that tradwives subject to themselves
@@hello.kittyxo930 That's literally not at all what they said lol
@@hello.kittyxo930 putting internet clout ahead of your children’s needs isn’t love.
@@hello.kittyxo930They literally make misogyny and vocal disdain for other women one of their biggest talking points. A woman who hates women is not going to be a loving mother to a daughter. You don't ingrain internalized misogyny and lack of autonomy into someone you love. These types were some of the meanest, coldest people in the fundie church my family used to be in. Their mantra is "God doesn't want you happy, He wants you obedient." If anyone values your obedience over your happiness, they don't love you.
It must be exhausting to be a self-hating tradwife. It's certainly tiring to listen to them.
I don't think they feel exhausted because they absolved themselves of all responsibility, be it towards themselves or other women. To think they are tired of it is to think they have any kind of self awareness that what they're doing is actively harming others. And some of them may be like that, like 1 or 2 max. The others? They're either living lavish lives doing the exact opposite of what they're preaching (like that pearl bitch) or literally and genuinely thinking this is what their lives and other women's lives should be like.
I know some irl, who aren't even Christian and don't need social media to act just as irritating. It's almost like it comes to them naturally. That self hatred and hatred of everything women do all while being convinced their failing lives are actually anything but a nightmare. It's like sinking the whole boat with you in it and trying to keep others from leaving their doomed end. It surely sounds tiresome.
But no, they're not exhausted. I'd say they feel at peace, like knowing you're doing something "for the greater good" even if that something is as gruesome as making sure your daughters and their daughters never get the same rights you had, even if it means they will be in constant danger.
The people ik irl who actually are like this are somehow even more scary than the internet tradwives, bc their reach and their actions are constant reminders of the society we live in. Everything they do is for the sole purpose of gratifying men in hopes of getting that same gratification in return, but it never comes so there's this constant and very obvious state of nearing the breaking point without ever reaching it. These people WILL drown you with them before they ever even take a looo at the very obvious alternative which is to fight for themselves. They'd rather see a world of chaos than ever think that they made the wrong choice even if it means dooming their own flesh to a certain life of misery and suffering. And THEY scare me...a LOT.
@ville__you never even posted your videos bye💀
Just as exhausting as a man hating feminist I imagine
@@BBKthebunnypersonthey are either a bot or a very sad person. They’re always spamming defending the worst possible people 😂, I recognize their name cause they’re literally everywhere trying to get attention
@@thomasvacsi6732how is working and sustaining yourself emulating a man? Pls elaborate how that’s makes a woman like a man.
For me who comes from a country that is rated number 3 on fermicide and domestic violence, i would like to say that these people are simply too ignorant. I was surrounded by domestic violence growing up. My dad , uncles, granddad and neighbours did it. "She was burned alive by her husband" , "Her husband murdered her and their children" , " They were walking on the street when a man approached them to ask one of them out and when she refused, he shot them both". That is the daily news report in my country. Growing up in such an environment has influenced my decision to remain unmarried. I know they are good men out there but you have to understand that I'm kinda traumatized from dealing with this every single day. So maybe these kind of traditional life these people are talking about is the American kind because the one from my country results in either scars or a coffin.
Thank you so much. These women don’t get it and they hijack the struggles of so many other women for their ideology. Being in their position and ‘choosing’ it is a form of ‘privilege’, but even women from the past- and around the world- fight to free from it, lest they pay for their lives. Even then, there’s a reason many housewives wanted free despite the privilege. There’s no personal safety. The ‘soft’ cushy lifestyle of tradwives also obfuscates the fact that the majority of women have ALWAYS done backbreaking work, barely paid! Do they think working a farm or factories was only done by men? Of course the working fields were different but it’s just bad to undermine the work women have always done. It’s just insulting to the memory of people who struggled under oppressive systems.
I’m so sorry for you and the women in your country. Thanks for sharing and showing us a new perspective
@@christelleilmet3601 Thank you very much.
as a brazilian, yeah, can relate
Dam your comment hits on another level. I totally get your decision. Stay single forever. What if you don’t find a nice guy?…you could loose everything. Your life is on the line here.
I'd just tell them, "Look, if you're into the hardcore sub lifestyle then you do you. But don't make your fetish into political activism."
I'm just gonna steal this quick
@@reubenjames7644 has been using the same joke about men who identify as feminists and have very political wives/partners for... i don't know how long but at least since i was in elementary school
@@bambooblindsCsn someone introduce bamboo to a Domme?
@@reubenjames7644😂
Caring and domestic work IS work, and it needs more recognition and respect. What does NOT need to be respected is the reinforcement of arbitrary and absurd gender roles that see women's value only as baby makers and men's only value as money-makers.
Omg that made me think of how caring and domestic professions like nurses, teachers, daycare employees, house cleaners are all poorly paid and disrespected, woman dominated fields
@goblin3359 You might want to check who is doing the disrespecting in the case of women doing house work. It's mostly feminists. The same feminists who treat the men as either as a bull for stud, an ATM or trash to avoid or abuse.
Sunny and wholesome personalities I'm sure you would agree. Nothing but good can come from following their advice.
@@danix8538It's absurd to suggest feminists are the main one disespecting domestic work. Saying "my wife doesn't work," meanwhile she's a stay at home mom to an infant and a toddler and does all the cooking and cleaning is an example. The woman in this scenario ostensibly works harder than the husband, yet her hard work is dismissed as if she's living in luxury while her husband grinds away at a 9-5. It's even hard for homemakers to land a job after years of not being regularly employed because the experience of managing a household is disregarded and considered worthless.
Blaming feminism for everything is just another form of misogyny. Check your subconscious bias. 💛
@@drcatrinakingTHANK YOU! I never understood the argument of trying to blame feminism as some sort of black hole of societal collapse. 😂
@danix8538 Sure some do, but it's not all now is it? My deeply anti-feminist father constantly shat on the fields of nursing, childcare, cleaning etc while also insisting it was all women were good for, if you've grown up around these types, you know men and trad women also hate those fields and demean them as soon as they get the chance and are not currently grooming anyone.
It always amazes when I hear of women pushing for what is essentially their own subjugation. They want to push women into a life of servitude and abuse, taking whatever their husband gives them, because 'god' said so. Our grandmothers fought to vote and open bank accounts in their names, because they were so vulnerable and at the mercy of their husbands. And these women want to go back to that same vulnerability. Unreal.
Its actually very interesting reading about events that prompted Sydney women into suffrage. A recently widowed poor woman intentionally drowned her baby in Sydney Harbour. She was so afraid of the life of utter poverty that lay ahead of her. It prompted other women into action. Poor women were working and paying taxes but had no rights. Women were routinely exploited and I suppose educated women with more ability to advocate for others less fortunate than themselves came to the fore. This was not a vanity project for rich women. It was women advocating for others less fortunate. Thats probably a big reason why rich men did not like it. They had already had to give away rights to poor working class men.
they're very insecure. most of them were probably whole ass pick mes in their adolescence. they need a man to validate their ego, cause really they don't know a way to do it by themselves. it's really sad.
If you can convince someone that the real only thing that matters is what happens after you die, then you can convince them of just about anything because they have been convinced their life doesn't matter.
So it should be no surprise that most of the tradwives are part of Christian death cults.
Honestly, the problem isn't even them wanting to go back to that same vulnerability. They're adults and can make their own decisions and if they want to live that life I literally don't care.
The problem is that these women act like they're better than other women for male validation. They also shame women who don't choose the same lifestyle as them and push this kind of agenda all over the media which can really affect younger people.
Plus in this economy, it's not even realistic to live as a tradwife💀 Unless you're a spoiled white woman i guess.
What these women are doing is pushing OTHER women into their own subjugation. They, meanwhile, have careers grifting for the Conservative (and "free" market, of course) agenda. It's "others should know their place but not me, because I'm special". Mrs Thatcher was the original poster girl for this.
I wonder, do tradwives expect tradhusbands? Because it's funny to see men who play video games in their mother's basement want tradwives.
Yep! You want a tradwife? No Grand Theft Auto for you! You get traditional hobbies like stamp collecting and jigsaw puzzles while smoking a pipe! (And we mean a TOBACCO pipe, Chad, no weed for trad husbands either).
Facts. Patriarchy isn't good for anyone.@@Sailormac2
I’ll never forget a tiktok I saw where the creator said if women submitting to men is a biological reality then why are women having to go around convincing others to do it. If it’s innate then we should just be doing it, right?
Good point
I am biologically wired to eat and breathe. I don't need an entire podcast to convince me to do it, I just do it automatically
Someone mentioned that tradwives are just cosplaying housewifery. If they were true housewives, they wouldn't have time to put on a face full of makeup, pick out a stylish apron & dress and film themselves ESPECIALLY if their husbands help them with nothing.
YUP
Also, they're not housewives. They are tiktok INFLUENCERS plain and simple
That may have been true back in the pre washing machine days, when housewifing included growing food in your own garden and was a pretty tough physical job. These days, with all the devices and ready-to-buy household chemicals, being a housewife is a relatively easy part-time job for a woman that has the brains to organize herself. The only real drawback is that part of the work happens in what the rest of the family considers their free time. But it's easy to see how stay-at-home-moms have the time to do some light tick-tocking on the side. It's not like that one requires a lot of effort, either.
@@VolkbrechtProblem is that is time SITTING ON YOUR ASS WHEN YOU COULD BE IRONING MY SHIRTS!!!
they are breadwinners.... Most of them are married to basic, blue collar workers who are not making enough money to actually afford them the lifestyles that they want so this is a way to work without calling it work and supplement their low income...
As I explained to my daughters. If you want to be a housewife, fine. That's between you and your husband. But, to be a housewife, you depend on your partner to bring in the money. If something happens to them, you need to be able to support yourself and your children. He could die, he could become disabled, he could simply walk out one day, no matter how good a man you thought he was. He may turn out to be abusive and if you need to leave, you need to be able to support yourself. And you should be paid as much as a man for the same work. That's only fair. He should be paid as much as you for the same work.
Well said. Conservatives may venerate tradwives (without, you know, giving them any kind of actual support) but god forbid you become a single mom, because they *hate* single moms.
My mom was a housewife and raised me to believe I could ne anything including a housewife too, but she always made sure I understood two things:
- having an education is fundamental
- I NEED to have my own money
very good point.
To quote a Trump "you’re gonna make the same if you do as good a job."
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“They need to find a man that’s misogynistic” 😦…What’s the point of loving a man who hates you and what would even motivate you to search for that ?
Edit: Yes, i do understand the fact that it stems from internalized self hatred, but it also doesn’t seem like that’s the whole picture. I was mostly surprised by tradwives so blatantly projecting that onto others, but I guess making them see themselves as lesser would make them more interested in the “traditional life” that they promote. I know that it’s obvious, It’s just interesting to me how far someone would go for traditional gender roles. I tend to simplify misogyny into hate because it often is portrayed in that way, but in this case it’s more of a “find a man who hates woman who aren’t this and that so you can be that for him” I guess? It’s hard for me to word. 😅
I made this comment not long after the video came out so this was just my initial shock at the intro, and i wasn’t really focused on fully interpreting that until I watched the whole video, but thanks for the replies with your opinions!
Oh! But he won’t hate YOU, sweetie - you’re one of the good ones. /s 🤢
Because its not about love.
Self hatred
@@SleepyMatt-zzz red name
an unhealed woman who somewhere inside, even if she denies it, doesn’t believe she deserves real love.
The shitting on feminism is a slap in the face to the feminists who made sure SAHMs got alimony and child support to protect them from destitution. Benefits which are supposed to make the position much more enticing by adding extra security.
*Translation* monetizing the destruction of the family unit.
Before feminism, widows and wives who were abandoned by their husband had to prostitute themselves to save their children from starvation.
@@artisticbeautybyhanako6801 Feminism is the root cause of most of Americas societal problems.
Feminism made women by and large more unhappy and easier targets for big corpa in late stage capitalism.
Extra security is an understating. Alimony, bias divorce courts and no fault divorce has made marriage an absolute waste of time for most modern secular men which is why many of them abstain from marriage.
The divorce rates speak for themselves. Feminism has ruined this country.
Women have changed, they have become feminists. They have destroyed old patriarchal values that have lasted thousands of years and one of those values is loyalty and family. When the feminist revolution reached Japan, and the Japanese saw that Japanese girls were going out into the streets to work for a boss, the Japanese got angry and invented "sexy robots" with artificial intelligence. In the future, when these robots are built in a more advanced way and are capable of physically and emotionally satisfying men apart from performing domestic and culinary tasks, the end of the feminist woman will come. Women will be extinguished from the face of the planet because men will go after the sexy robots and women will become sterile due to lack of penis, they will become prostitutes or lesbians and will not be able to leave descendants. And the remaining women will be sent to space museums preserved in glass containers filled with cirogenic liquid for preservation, and so that other extraterrestrial civilizations will realize what the 21st century woman was like, who destroyed entire cultures, and patriarchal values that lasted thousands of years, and caused countless domestic violence, bitter divorces and broken homes and they will blame their creator. And our creator will feel ashamed to discover that it never occurred to him to give ADAM the perfect wife, and he realized that men had become homosexuals and women had become lesbians, and he called his creation an ABOMINATION.
If tradwives just wanted to keep to themselves with their lifestyle, id have no problem with them. They'd still weird me out, but not disgust me so viscerally. But because theyre pushing it on their daughters and to young women online, i feel it is our duty to clown on them every chance we get, the same way i would to military recruiters at the mall
I love that i'm not the only one who clowns on military recruiters in public lol
This ^ (for me, this is how I feel about people who shove there religion onto others, most commonly christians)
What’s wrong with military recruiters? The ones I see are pretty respectful and they kinda just show ads for the army or something while they try to get attention. Maybe it’s different where you live.
@@Pomagranite167queen honestly
Tradwifery is not just a lifestyle, its a cult.
A sinister, masochistic cult that (in Jungian Psychological terms) wants women to deny/repress their animus (masculine side).
This is why I’ll always think that someone who says feminism isn’t needed just outed themselves as misogynistic. Feminism will always be necessary, no matter what.
And as very privileged. If they or the women who raised them never needed feminism, sounds like things were pretty easy.
A never ending movement
It's not only not needed, it's literally a detriment to society. What we need is equalism, a strive for genders to be treated equal in all aspects.
That means with voting comes jury duty and draft. With no-fault divorce comes default 50/50 custody, and 50/50 child support. With equal prison sentences. With equal representation in all jobs, not only positions of power and cushy AC'ed office jobs(which is then turned off because it's too cold).
Feminism just wants to eat the cake and have it too.
Or at least, a world that doesn't need feminism requires so much social change that it's literally just beyond our ability to fully conceptualize and probably will continue to be for hundreds of years more
@@rey_nemaattori That’s how I know that you have have no idea what feminism means. You’re associating a few women you personally find annoying with feminism. When feminism literally just means treating both genders the same. Saying we don’t need feminism is basically saying we don’t need women to be treated equally. That what you can’t seem to grasp with your narrow minded outlook.
Also if feminism is such a detriment to society, then society isn’t worth it. Like seriously, do you hear yourself? “Treating a certain group of people the way you want to be treated is gonna collapse our economy, so we must treat them like they’re lesser.” Get outta here with that hogwash.
If tradwives want more women to choose to stay home, they should support policies like a generous welfare state and strong unions, because those were the conditions that existed in the 50's that even made it possible for so many women to not work
They don't care about that, because _their_ husbands are already well-off. Those "influencer tradwives" don't _actually_ care about other women's wellbeing, just about spreading propaganda.
@@thomasvacsi6732 Facts aren't nonsense, you damned cultist.
@@pande1461 right, majority of people cant even afford to be a tradwife lol
@@thomasvacsi6732your the only nonsense that exists
@@M.Swigglez You’re*
Also, contending for the expansion of welfare programs to promote the trad wife movement is like saying that we should sell more cigarettes to cure cancer.
"a woman is biologically wired" bro,we aint in the ooga-booga times anymore,we have consciousness and a society now,we evolved sis✋😭😭😭
They def didn't
"We tradwives have been advocating for women to have their rights taken away, and now men are treating us as second-class citizens! How could this happen?" 😭
Girl, what do you think a second-class citizen is???
Fr, I was like...do you not understand the consequences of what you advocate for??
Singing Franchesca Ramsey's "i never thought teh leopards would eat my face"
@@43v3rh1d3nOh yeah, that whole comment had total "I can't believe the leopard ate my face vibes" to me too.
"It's such a betrayal :C " Guess what your actions have been to other women the entire time...
I used to have a friend who would say she was antifeminism, would post things with "hashtag never a feminist" but she went to university, had jobs, rented her own apartment, dated multiple men, and when she got married and it went bad, she got divorced. I think I tried to point out that the way she lived her life wouldn't be possible without the work of feminist activists, but she wasn't interested in listening. Her anti-feminist stance was definitely connected to the very conservative religious culture that she was brought up in, and she would go in and out of practicing her faith with conservative-leaning communities that were pretty controlling, being too independent for them quash, leaving for a while, then going back. We eventually fell out over her anti-vax stance regarding the COVID vaccine and haven't spoken in several years, but last I heard, she'd partnered up with a guy who definitely had some misogynistic leanings and seemed thrilled to be with him.
that sounds like my family. they are all conservative catholics. I was the black sheep progressive of the family. my mom stayed at home for awhile cus it was just cheaper than getting a babysitter and her working minimum wage, but once my sister and I were in elementary for a few years she said she had nothing to do at home and got a job at our school cus it was just more money and less boring for her. When my sister grew up she went to hair school and works at a salon. she got married to a conservative douchebag and they moved next to my parents and used my mom as free babysitting since my mom could no longer work due to health issues. He kept saying he wanted more kids and shortly after the 3rd was born he said he didn't love her and that she kept demanding kids. they got divorced (also he tried to cheat on her before the first and they almost got divorced until they had the first one). When they had the first one my mom asked my gf and I to talk to my sister about abortion because they didn't believe in it, but they didn't want her to have a baby with the douchehole, because my mom was unwilling to talk about it.
They couldn't do most of this stuff without the feminism they dislike. They are such hypocrites.
that’s wild. a lot of women like her don’t realize that feminism has empowered them to live their life the way they want to. they’re set in their beliefs and have no interest in growing or changing so you really do have to let them go 🫠
How is she religious but dates multiple men but then she says shes antifemintist? As a muslim woman feminism is littarly islam for those that dont agree because of hijab for example its just woman who have to wear hijab but its men too let me elabortate on what hijab means in arabic it means uniform. For woman they must cover their hair and body with baggy clothes for men they must also wear baggy clothes to cover their body. Islam was the only thing that gave womans rights back then when woman couldnt own a house to hwr name islam said yes she can. Especially in thr arab peninsula there was people burrying their own daughters becausw they believed girls were not as good as boys to the point of killibg/abnndonibg them islam says no a girl is a as good as a boy they are equal. And for the people who say islam only alows men to have 4 wives that is because back then a lot of men had died in wars so the widowed womab who couldnt own a hoise to her name how would she live? Since there was a lack of men 4 wives was permissible for thr sake of woman and if you want 4 wives Allah says that the wife must agree first and if she doesnt she has the right to divorce you and if she agrees then you must treat them equally by buying them seperate houses and third it is not recommend to have more wives in this day in age because now woman can have a house to their name but you can if you can buy two houses and treat them both equally and if the first wife agrees in the first place. Men and woman both have to cover but they both cover differently because men and woman are different but equal woman cover hair and body and men have to cover body both with baggy clothes you might see some muslim woman and men not wear hijab some people think they have the right to say something about it but no in islam you mudt only advise them but yoi cant force nor attack them for not wearing their hijab.
And both men and woman cant date. And that is because dating causes problems. Oh and im sorry i wrote a whole essay about islam is feminism i only wrote 1/3 about womans rights in islam. Islam has taught people for many centuries good things and i just have to share.
1. Feminism nowadays seems to support treating anything they don't agree with as misogynistic.
2. Religious conservativism is hardly oppression.
3. She was right about the vaccine it came out far too fast and there is no telling what the side affects were, you were petty to end the friendship over it.
3. Was it actually misogynist leaning or was he simply traditional
"I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE A STAY-AT-HOME MOM WITHOUT FEELING SHAMED"
Yes, sweetie. That's one of the main tenets of feminism - freedom of choice. 🙃
unfortunately, there are plenty of sjws that do give people hell for that. just like how masculine women were given crap in the 2010s because some women happened to have severe internalized misogyny to the point of rejecting everything girly.
YES! I’ve always said feminism isn’t about having no housewives ever- it’s about giving women the option to CHOOSE that life for themselves, rather than being forced.
Yet the people who support free choice don’t support SAHM. It’s the hypocrisy.
@@PoppyRoseWitchthat’s the same purpose of conservative views. They want the ladies to have the option to stay at home and focus on their personal ideals rather than forcing women to go to work for someone else.
@@Crawlingdreams418 Its not that common anymore. It came from a time when being a housewife was _not_ considered a choice. That has changed as the idea of homemaking being the only option has given way to it being a choice (part of, though certainly not the core focus of, "fourth wave" feminism).
But the fourth wave is still very new (a mere decade old) and there's still a lot of "SJWs" who haven't yet realized that we've moved passed the third wave (hell some are still caught up in the second wave, though those are mostly anti-feminists intentionally using outdated rhetoric to make feminism sound bad. Its kind of like claiming you're "anti-slavery" by insisting that slaves should be fed better. That might have sounded progressive by the standards of 1700 but the subtle suggestion that slavery is still acceptable sounds rightfully horrid by modern standards - and that sort of incongruity is exactly the intent of such people).
it’s so frustrating how tradwives openly advocate for strictly enforced gender roles and submission to men, but when they’re criticized they roll back their argument to “women should be allowed to want to be housewives and mothers!”, which is way more easy to defend and agree with. you get tricked into arguing about the most basic premise of choice feminism, while their influence grows into something much darker and more oppressive.
A master teacher once told me that “submission is cute when you’re in a position to opt out. That for a majority this is low key a game… a kink and nothing more”.
A lot of these women don’t know what real subjugation is. I’ve spoken to a lot of older women that was young in 50s/60s. They expressed such envy for the young women of today. The options we have that they didn’t. I’ve heard nightmarish stories of abuse to the “I simply wish that I could have had my own money and a life outside my husband and kids”.
I get wanting a certain life set up but these trad wives talk this sh*t but have laws on the books that will somewhat protect them whereas women of the past didn’t. Smh. It’s different to “trad wife” with no safety net and nothing in your favor.
Submission for these woman is easy because they live in stable western countries where they can opt out if things go south ask the woman living in Muslim societies we can’t even opt out we get beaten up and imprisoned
@@rowenaravenclaw3483 Also lots of them are super super young, and they really haven’t been doing anything long enough to know if it works for them.
THIS!! Not only is it from a place of privilege, it’s super insulting to the memory of women who had to struggle before them!
@@moethemoon that’s my beef with how these girls talk. The amount of women that have been unalived or worse fighting for women to have rights and access and this is how they talk?
@@moethemoonit's like young working people who say they're anti union.
I told my boyfriend once that I was sexually frustrated and he apologized to me for "neglecting my needs" and "being a bad boyfriend", because his mental health is poor and he's rarely in the mood.
I had to be like, "_No_ honey. I am not entitled to your body. You are not neglecting me. You don't owe me sex. I'm just pent up; it's a me problem. I just like complaining."
As a demisexual, I never thought I'd be on this side of that conversation, but it makes sense. Men are affected by all this too.
My ex told me that once. That's why she's my ex.
@@ChillingTales12Wait, she told you what? That you were neglecting her? Ouch, I'm glad she's your ex then!
Lol I would've said the exact same thing and believe I was letting her down and not being, "man enough." Ahhh, inferiority complexes and gender expectations truly are a magical experience. 😂
You're an amazing partner btw, that was the best response you could've possibly given and you did it because you really felt that way. Never stop being outstanding. 😎
@ville__ Troll
Fr, they internalize those concepts as well as internalizing the idea that their manhood relies on a type of "hyper" sexuality on their end, it's sad, and then women will be seen as not womanly enough if they have their own sex drives, it's a lose lose situation societally.
I'm a man who doesn't want kids. I'm dating a woman who doesn't want kids. I do most of the chores around the house due to some of her health issues. I don't mind this at all and like being able to do it for her.
Instead of being mad at the fact that we won't conform to their ideology, why aren't they happy that we aren't having kids and furthering our "lib" agenda?
Because according to them marriage is sacre which leads to procreation a person who doesn’t want children should not marry and be celibate this is what they want but because you live in a democratic secular liberal society where these fundies do not have any political power to establish theocracy they are seething with anger
You can’t middle ground assholes…that’s compromise. They only want their way 🙄
Because they envy you for your peace, freedom and wellbeing... Misery loves company...
People who mind their own business are hated because miserable people think that makes them better so they want to tear down anything sensible people have
Who says they aren't. Good on you taking care of your girl.
0:20 Pearl genuinely puzzles me, considering she has openly admitted herself that she isn't even a virgin. The self-hatred is insane, lol
as someone who comes from a country where the patriarchy runs very deep and will be the first woman in her lineage who gets to decide whether to get married and who to do it with, as well as whether to have kids and will have the financial power to divorce if needed... i cannot explain the generational trauma that has been carried by the women in my family. all of the women in my family were unwilling "tradwives" and their lives were worse for it. my grandma told me every day how much she hated her life after being forced into submission by her husband (forced her to quit her job, moved her away from her family, left her miserable). you are not "stepping into your feminine energy", you are actively erasing progress because you are too scared to think for yourself and take control of your life. and the lingering impact this has on future generations is awful. i can't believe women are out here advocating for this.
@SigmaNationOfficial but these tradwives dont believe in choice, they think all women should be tradwives and not work, they harp on and on about how working is the worst thing ever and how feminism "ruined" everything, theyre not merely saying "i love being a wife and sahm" theyre saying "i love being a wife and sahm so therefore ALL women should and i hate feminism for ruining eveything" its funny cuz in reality tradwives would have a breakdown if no women worked, i mean they forget there would be no female doctors midwives or gynecologists then lol.
@SigmaNationOfficial"sigma nation" yep. comment checks out sir
@SigmaNationOfficial have you ever heard of omegaverse, mr sigma? real sigmas would know what that is
This person is a troll. First off, he made NO recognition of the human cost - the pain and trauma in miramenon's family experience, just a dismissive crack, all so he could whine.
The he whines, despite repeated explanations by our video host that she does NOT have a problem , and why she does nit have a problem, with living any kind of lifestyle he says she does. *So he LIES.* @@gristen
I can't believe it either. It is ridiculous.
And it is a BAD idea. Only a very warped man wants an adult relationship with someone who has abandoned her adulthood.
Weird that, when pressed, the tradwives insist they're only trying to "pursue their individual lifestyle preferences," but get them within 300 feet of a legislative building, and suddenly it's, "We need to forbid anyone from living a lifestyle contrary to the tradwife model."
Ikr?? I've seen trad wives make fun of women for not spoiling their husband like a baby and criticize work moms, but when criticized back, they get all defensive about being "in their feminine energy" and hiw they just feel sooooo tired by the corporate feminist world. Like??
Exactly. And they try to pretend it’s just the better way of life and women happier… but why do you have to force it on us? Let it speak for itself.
A lot of these “Christian” wives are not living fully biblically. It’s very clear in the Bible that it’s is equal treatment for husband and wife.
“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. … Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her” They seem to be ignoring the loving husband part.
They also tend to (willingly or not) ignore the strong heroic women of the Bible: Deborah the prophetess, warrior woman and judge. Jael and Judith, heroic seductresses who used their charms to destroy the male enemies of their people, often killing by impaling or decapitating their heads (losing their heads over these women literally). Sheerah the architect and city founder. Huldah, the woman who interpreted the Book of Law and taught it to both men and women.
These Fundies would often quote the Wife of Noble Character as an example of Godly (passive) womanhood, ignoring the fact that the Noble Wife also owns a vineyard and is an industrious, business-savvy woman.
@@f4irysflowerbetter yet it's the verse before that section that commands ALL christans to "submit to one another"
@@sammyvictors2603Don't forget Esther, the queen who saved her people from getting destroyed by Haman.
On the one hand, it does imply that men and women are in the "image of god", but on the other hand, it does feature stories that involve marrying off women who are victims of war, allow one's daughter to get r***** and hacked to pieces to save a couple angels, and does have describe strict gender roles for women to be beholden to. So clearly that isn't true, because god discriminates.
I love how you continually say "profession" when speaking to/about tradwives and housewives to show you don't devalue the labor they do!!!
“Find a man that will train you” THE FUCK ARE WE DOGS NOW?
No, you're bitches (Sorry, I couldn't resist 😅)
Bark bark bark
there's a reason why misogynists call women they disagree with "bitches"
I want to be a feral housewife
no. we always have been to certain men. actually, they treat their dogs better.
It is really sad to see those tradwifes whom advertising serving others as a true women behaviour whereas me being a person who live in Türkiye and have a lot of neighbours who have no chance other than serving their husband and his whole family of 10. People should stop demonitizing feminisim and give the opportunity to the women who dont have their autonomous :(
The fact that whenever I look at these videos, it is most of the time a rich or a white woman (or both), and the parallel makes sense. They have a privilege and refuse to see anything outside of that bubble
I lost a neighbour a few years ago because she committed suicide. She was all alone in the Turkish mountains and had nothing to do then work and entertain her man... I felt so sad that I didn't help her with her learning English because she was trying to learn to communicate with us....
@@Fingerscrossedout Sorry for your lost. Unfortunately this is the reality of some of the women. It is just cruel how other women who have privilege still assert that the men are the victim.
@ville__then where are these videos? You have a single community post on your channel.
@@bookbook9495it's a bot
Because it's "less complicated" to never criticise the husband in the moment and avoid causing small arguments (about what the housewife is allowed to say and do), it'll build up over time and cause more issues in the future when you realise your own husband never truly respected you as a person.
Honestly, I feel like the only appeal to be a tradwife is that its a kink. I don't think they realize its a kink of course, but as a person who likes to play on the submissive side during intimate situations, this is how I see it. Only they dont' know how kinks and consent work, so they think if they want a dominant partner some of the time, then they need to accept a dominant partner ALL of the time. That is the only way I can see how a person would actually ENJOY this kind of life.
all trad wives are masochistic and want to be dominated and ordered around by a evil vampire bad boy, who is cruel and emotionally distant and who has just stepped out of an otome game . this is the truth.
I wonder if the Trad Wives subscribe to Taken in Hand lifestyles (aka Christian BDSM).
Agreed
I have met many people in the BDSM groups insisting that it is not a kink to them. They hate the BDSM tag, because they believe that it dilutes their spiritual values as a "sex thing".
Also, no one feels kinky all the time. It doesn't work that way.
Yeah, that woman going on about how she needed her man to ‘train her’ sounded like something out of a BDSM porno. It actually makes sense too to how they think that EVERY woman deep down wants to be treated like this.
Hearing the phrase "I was such a Jezebel" made me lose 20 psychic hitpoints
As a feminist, I want all women (all people of all types, really) to have the freedom to decide for themselves how they want to live their lives. The problem I have with tradwives is not in the lifestyle they advertise but in the fact that they would choose their way of life and then turn around and try to deny all other women that same right to choose.
And when they get called out for it, they act as if sociality, and the whole world is against being a housewife, and play the victom.
@@Alexandraadftxr7052 Some people think that everyone is coming after the "Traditional women," and their fan base is coming to their defense, or they're pulling the "Victim" card so that anyone can feel pity for these poor women.
exactly!! if these ladies prefer to live this way, good on them thats their ability to choose! but them deciding how everyone else around them should live like them ain't it. feminism is trying to give all women the right to choose how they live, so them deciding everyone should revoke their rights and be submissive fundamentally contrasts that. also feminism = wokeness or wtv to them which allows them to cultivate an audience that feeds into their rhetoric, so when people say "hey, we arent saying you cannot live like this, you just cant force others to do the same" they scream that people want to ruin traditional marriages when that isnt it at all
we want people to not be forced into trad marriages and choose how they wish to live on their own merits
Denying the right to choose is a trademark of femenists
It wouldn't surprise me if a decent portion of tradwives don't want other people to have choice, cause they feel they had no choice, or chose wrong
Like people getting mad at the prospect of student loan forgiveness, cause why should anyone get that, when they didn't
Aka better to keep a bad system when you don't benefit from changing it(even though that's misjudging the change, cause in a world where everyone is equal and treated as such, everyone benefits)
This intro is wild 😭
“Non-virgin women cause all problem in the world” this can’t be serious
The funniest part is that, apparently, she's not a virgin herself. She's everything she's complaining about, non-virgin, non-traditional, working. Everything she says is wrong with the world, she is
I am a feminist and a virgin. Am I a root cause of a problem? Can't stop laughing from it.
I guess you need to lose virginity to get pregnant and these babies grow up and cause the problems? How else to interpret that? 😆
@@InternetNonsense I was simply making fun from assumptions that all virgins are obedient and pious whereas feminist having sex with many partners.
Said by a non virgin single woman (aka Pearl aka hypocricy kween)
“I never thought the leopards would eat MY face!” - Person Who Voted for the Leopards Eating Peoples’ Faces Party
I find these big tradwife influencers to be so disingenious. They go on and on about how women should not work and instead be financially dependant on a man to provide for them, but are they not social media influencers who earn money from their posts as well?
They are and do.
You can also find countless tradwife grifts.
They sell an insane amount of “wellness” snake oil on line.
Grifting is a core feature of most right wing "influencers", regardless of their particular niche. Up to and including Donald Trump himself - the wannabe king of the grifters.
lol as much as this shit is wild, tradwives dont believe they cant make any money, they believe they should not work a 9-5 and be the breadwinner in the house. theyre allowed side businesses and selling crochet shit or whatever tf lmaoo
@@pollysshore2539There's a great video by Jordan and Mackay about Mormonism and MLMs.
The difference between a stay at home mom and a Tradewife is that a stay at home mom enjoy her personal choice but a tradewife believes all women should live their way of living it’s proselytizing
Alot of that is just classism.
It's basically "women that have no money to bribe/sue their way to safety and comfort deserve abuse", most, or all, of these influencers have money and don't really depend on their husbands.
Yh the classism is insane, also in their insistence that women "in the past" didnt Work. Rich women didnt Work. Upper middle Classic women didnt Work, in Part because it showed the Status of the man.
Now working Classic women and poor women? Aka the majority of women? They Ran businesses, they worked as seamstresses, they took in laundry (which is backbreakig Work without a washing machine), they went to Clean for richer households, they were domestic servants.
The Idea that women didnt Work is ridiculous. They Just didnt Work in Jobs that These tradwives would respect
Oh and i forgot about the Farmers wives who ABSOLUTELY worked along their husbands because you cant Run a Farm with Just one man 😂
@@annabeinglazy5580there is a reason for this! it's the 50s and propaganda, in the 40s most average and upperclass women suddenly had to work and well, they loved it. 40s feminism was rapid but after the war they were expect to return to domestic life, no sense of freedom- so the push of the model house wife became, never angry, always listening, beautiful and pretty, etc etc but women were unhappy, and suffering. they were trapped, Shirley Jackson non horror domestic books really go into that feeling
at this point, I think everything is just classism in disguise
We always hear about "tradwives" but absolutely nothing about "tradhusbands". Seems like a lot of men out there want a woman to wipe their ass and worship the ground they walk on but if a woman wants to depend on a man for all her finances (as is the traditional way) then she is a gold digger. Men who want tradwives cannot afford that lifestyle and women have more options now than they did traditionally. Raising a family on single income is unrealistic for most people.
The whole “woman wants career more than baby” thing that misogynist women love to say is so funny to me, bc I don’t have to center either of those things if I don’t want to. Yeah, I gotta have a job to pay the bills, and maybe one day I’ll have a family if I want to, but I don’t have to design my personality around either of those things lmao
We need to teach feminist history in schools. The only way to combat ignorance is to educate it away
You mean indoctrination, hence the homeschooling reaction. Have kids of your own then and feed them that philosophical pig slop.
@@thomasvacsi6732 Implying that most Christians who homeschool don't indoctrinate 😂
@@pande1461 Right but Christians are strong and you all are weak.
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Found the scrote
@@thomasvacsi6732 Have you ever wondered why no woman wants to be anywhere near you? It's probably due to shit like this
18:40 feminist woman here. I'm a house spouse and I want to have kids.
And the way they talk about babies instead of kids freaks me out. They don't stay babies. Eventually they start being their own people.
House spouse is so fun as a term, I love the rhyme
You’re a feminist and a house wife hmm never thought I’d hear those words together.
Hi.
The core concept of feminism is that man and women should have equal rights and should not be seen as better or worse than one another.
What upsets me the most is that this sentiment is controversial; it seems like it should be basic common sense. It's simply sad that the concept of equality is one of, if not the most, debated about topic.
-A queer teen girl
As someone who grew up mormon, the "choice" to not be a stay-at-home-mom is one of turning against what your church leaders are saying, and thus going against God. I thought I was so rebellious for being a feminist, and being interested in STEM. So many women I knew would choose majors/careers like teacher, or human development based on "this is a good job to have once I have kids". However, men choosing their jobs based on "this is a good job to have once I have kids" is about providing financially for a family, so they become a dentist or an engineer. This is anecdotal evidence but I definitely think gender roles are just a given for a lot of fundie thinking.
Exmormon here and I verify what she said. It was really bad.
@@miscalotastuff733why is this bad?
Gender roles were a given for a long time because they actually work. Now we have other paths available to women that work. But the traditional way still works, too. To me that's a good way of looking at things. It avoids getting personal, which kills any discussion.
@Volkbrecht your a rarity. Most in this topic of discussion disagree. However reality and economics reign over tradition. As we head back into an industrial age style economy everyone will be working.
@@Volkbrechtif they actually worked and didn’t have women stuck in loveless and unhappy marriages where they would be institutionalized or murdered their husbands, then there would’ve never been a movement to begin with
A new shanspeare video? Already? Omg my day is saved!!! I love how well done your videos are and how good you are at explaining
Thank you ❤❤❤😊
As a hetero cis man. I truly think that Feminism has really helped me find a emotionally filling romantic relationship. Thanks for expanding my mind in regards to feminism
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You keep me hopeful about humanity ❤
@ville__ as she should
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Feminism benefits everybody ❤ that's what we're fighting for
As an ex-believer I must say: where religion comes into play, there’s no choice. Please hear me. There’s no choice if you choose between pleasing your god or being thrown into the fiery pit forever.
I could’ve been married to a stranger now (purity culture) and, well, being constantly raped and forced to reproduce. Yes, “being available to your husband at all times ❤️” actually means “let him rape you whenever he wants”: it’s not sex if you don’t want it! There’s no way to sugar-coat it. Living as an evangelical woman, a Christ’s woman equals perceiving yourself as an inferior being who’s destiny is to make children, satisfy her husband and help others, but never herself. I’m so happy I got out of this hell when I was a teenager. Yeah, it was a little bit scary at first, but you know what. Doing just great without any imaginary friends or misogynistic rhetoric. My own person now.
P.S. I am married, but it’s a healthy partnership, not a life of servitude.
Nope, there's a choice. The choices are just seen as threats. And if it's Christianity you're talking about, we're saved not by actions but by Jesus' grace. That's just my two cents.
@@phi4721, we must be from different denominations then. The one that I grew up in doesn’t tolerate such “sin” at all: if you keep at doing something “wrong” it means that you probably don’t have Jesus in you life. And choosing a path which the church doesn’t approve of is likely to be considered a sin. For example, getting married after a divorce or letting your child see a physiologist.
From a personal standpoint, I get where you're coming from. I do hate when some religions bastardize people for choosing to remain single, Christians especially. I'm still a Christian a faith based non denominational one. But I find it funny when fellow Christians don't even read the bible full enough to know, that God supported people being single and not having kids.
Like for example First Corinthians 7:7: "I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am.
It truly is sad how unloving and hypercritical people can be. Hope you are doing well.
Being single is seen as a blessing in the Bible especially the New Testament. I could find at least 10 quotes to support my words but In too lazy to search ahaha
I find it to be interesting that some of these Tradwives think that Feminism is the reason why women started working so much. It's not. It's the economies fold. The economy demands invention and growing productivity. This means women starting to work full-time was inevitable. Before we wasted an entire field which had to be balanced out. It did, that's all
@@louoaopcoaoroiod5687 Lol ok hun. Cope all you want, we’ll make more. The studies you are talking about are all self-reporting, which: maybe liberals and leftists are just a lot more honest than conservatives.
Fifties housewives were drugged to the gills to get through the day, but I’m sure they would tell an interviewer they were super happy doing housework, cooking and childcare all day and night.
In this case they actually have it right. Women were working full time, albeit unpaid, before improvements in household devices, household chemicals and food supply increasingly led to a situation in which women without children in the household had time on their hands. They may have disliked their subservient fate before, but their work was essential to keeping the family afloat, so the question of paid work didn't even come up. So it's not like workforce was "wasted", and an argument could be made that we still can't really afford to have women working full time, because statistically they still do a lot of so-called care work on top of their paid jobs.
The key issue here is to mentally separate the terms "labor" and "money". The rise of GDP we could create by having everyone paid for all their necessary labor is just a numbers effect. Nobody would really be any richer in such a scenario. Women were creating part of the wealth by providing unpaid services that became less labor-intensive, so that this workforce was liberated into the formal labor market.
Also those people do forget that, for most if not all of history, women either studies, worked or both. Rural women worked in the farms, because every pair of hands was needed. Women also made other type of works, albeit many being informal, like handcrafts and sewing and designing. The ones married to merchants and such helped in the store, and many also were the ones in charge of the finances. Upper class women had to be highly educated and good at many arts, because men wanted a mother that would teach their children right. They were more desirable for that reason. I mean, it’s there a saying about being an amazing woman behind every amazing man?
Do they really conveniently forget that?
Unwanted sex with your partner is S.A. You have a choice to say "no" or "I'm not in the mood" or etc and they have a choice to respect your words. Marital S.A. is usually no violent. It is submitting to keep the peace.
It is frustrating because there are common problems that need to be addressed. I think this is, in some part, a reaction to those problems.
I know several people that were in good relationships that fell apart because the woman lost all interest in sex after having children. All worked. All were exhausted.
Several fell victim to irrational fears about children that have been promoted for decades.
They believed child abductions were rampant. They conflated the number of missing persons reports filed in 🇺🇸 each year with confirmed stereotypical stranger abductions.
In reality 90% of MPR’s filed are simple misunderstandings about whereabouts that are cleared from the system within hours but still count toward the yearly total of MPR’s filed.
We have about 100 stereotypical stranger abduction of minors in 🇺🇸 a year. It’s often under 100 now and that’s out of 80 million minors. It’s always been an incredibly rare crime. The majority abducted by strangers are and have always been runaway teens on the streets.
Yet… most put their kids in the bed because they were terrified that someone would abduct their child if they weren’t in the same room.
Their husbands ended up on the couch for a decade + before saying - I’m not doing this anymore.
Of course menopause can cause a decline in libido. Today we do have some better alternatives to combat this but interestingly enough, several sex negative radfems and fundies fight against these treatments.
I do think (hetero) sex negative radical feminism set up some bad mindsets that might not be helpful if you actually value your marriage.
A good couples therapist will tell you that intimacy is important and instead of getting set in a pattern of saying you are not in the mood you should try different activities to see if you can get into the mood.
Of course that’s not every single time. A person shouldn’t say yes every time they are not in the mood and they shouldn’t say no every time, resulting in months - years without sex.
Both are going to be a recipe for disaster.
Acting like marital SA never happens or it’s an impossibility is not going to help anyone.
@@pollysshore2539 they should say no when they're not in the mood, but communicate as best they can why, and look into ways that might help them get in the mood.
@@chlyri That’s what any therapist worth their weight would recommend.
Sometimes people are just stuck in a rut.
There is another layer in relation to purity culture. It creates a lot of mental and physical issues surrounding sex but it a common outside of this circle as well just due to life getting in the way.
@@chlyri You can’t ignore the fact that sex comes with many health benefits, both physically and mentally.
If people can get out of the rut it can help in more than one way.
@@chlyrilisten. Listen. Sometimes there doesn't need to be a why. Sometimes you don't HAVE to get in the mood. You can just not feel like it and that's okay.
Overall really loved the video and all the points you made. As a bit of an amateur history nerd, though, I'd like to offer one little nitpick - 'traditional roles' for women where they only worked in the home was typically a luxury only reserved for middle to high-class (usually white if you're talking about American/European) women. Working class women, including white women, rarely had the luxury of staying at home to take care of the kids and the house - older children were expected to look after the younger ones while their mothers worked. They worked in shops, in factories, or on farms doing agricultural work for harvest, shearing, plowing, weaving, brewing, and so on in addition to the domestic tasks they were also expected to handle. From what I've read, the phrase 'a woman's work is never done' is very apt for most women through history, because while the man could work a full day, then expect to come home and put his feet up by the fire, a woman seldom had that luxury - she was working a full day, AND then occupying every spare moment she had with childcare, cleaning, mending and so on.
Basically, the 'traditional housewife' of the 50's is a middle class white woman's fantasy. It was never the reality for most people.
I do appreciate the info in your comment and since we’re nitpicking… you gave way more detail but they did mention that at 11:23
Middle class women only had that luxury in some eras - remember the 50's was all about getting appliances so you did not need servants. You are right, it was older kids - and grandmothers - who took care of little children.
Any kids that were not working themselves.
Yeah as a Mexican American I HAVE to bring up the Bracero program during and after the war. If 1950s white america wanted white women to stay at home they used immigrant farmworkers to do the work regardless of gender. Mexican women for generations, and *to this day*, feed their kids by being housecleaners to those affluent households.
@@giselletorres4156she talks about black and brown women at 30:09…
something i adore about your videos is that you're able to hold these super important nuanced conversations while simultaneously being humorous and attentive to your own aesthetic without any of those elements being a detriment to the others, and instead they just uplift your videos and messaging💜
i remember going to church as a kid and they read bible verses about women submitting to men etc... i was so shocked and felt insulted, couldn't believe my mother would want me to hear such a thing. had an interesting conversation about it with her after but it still is incredible how adept christians are at compartmentalizing and just taking shit with no desire to change things for the better.
Yes, it's wild how they try to push a very specific kink relationship type to everybody.
I also hear people say: 'That's just the jezebel in you.' Whenever someone got a bit upset with those ideas. Like excuse me? We can’t just ignore the issue and call people jezebel's.
@@Bo_M exactly, that isn't in any way shape or form a solution to the problem.
i rmember i got really peefed off and i put the bibel in fictian section at libary
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"Find a man that will train you!"
I'm trying!!! They all say puppygirls are cringe!
I am a christian woman, and I constantly feel out of place and seen down upon, because me and my husband don’t want kids
Girl, I feel you! I'm christian too, but man sometimes it feels like other christians want to put me in a box.
Like I'm not here to live their life, I'm here to live mine. It's no one else business, if you and your husband decide to have kids or not, exept God obviously.
Not Christian but also happily child-free by choice. ❤ Stand your ground.
Same!
Do what I do about driving a beater and having a mullet by choice. Stop caring about the perceptions you perceive people have of you. You aren't sinning. You have nothing to be ashamed of.
They really don’t get you can follow Jesus’ teachings without having kids 😔 it gives you time to participate more in the community when you don’t have to constantly be behind your kids. Why do they think most participants are older people that have adult children they don’t have to take care of anymore?
my mother was a housewife for a large part of my childhood. she was DEFINITELY not a tradwife. I hate how the two are conflated. it's completely fine for either a father or a mother to decide they want to stay at home for child care. it is NOT fine to insult everyone who doesn't want the same thing.
When I was in high school( Christian school btw) my principal once said that women need to be like crowns on
their husbands heads.She didn’t explain what that meant so we all kinda just went like “ok?”. A decade later I get it now: Women should be pretty pieces of jewelry that should only be showed off when their husbands feel like taking them out and wearing them around other people. Just pretty to look at,silent,and an accessory for a man.
I think she meant you need to sit on his head.
I always took it to mean a woman he can be proud of
@@beans9499Exactly he's proud of his quiet, pretty accessory.
The thing about “choice feminism” too, is that it completely disregards intersectionality. Does the disabled person have the choice to *not* be a stay at home mother? Does the abused wife have the choice to work or not work, or even choose her job or keep her wages? Do black married couples have a choice about whether to be a single or double income household when the employment market refuses to pay them the full worth of their roles? Does a first generation immigrant child have the choice to not go to university for whatever her parents decide will be best for the family?
And that’s just a tiny percentage of examples in the USA alone.
That is not a term I use because I grew up watching radical feminists, holding hands with Christian Nationalists on the right in solidarity while creating repressive and oppressive legislation with them, pointing their fingers at sex positive feminists (the movement was made up of several different types of feminists and tended to be focused on liberation, was less carceral, acknowledged intersectionality, sought to remove unconstitutional/religious based policies used to oppress & repress) and decrying then as “choice feminists”.
Linda Hirshman (I did not like her) was one of the radfems that used it to chastise.
She had no problems with the horrific treatment/nasty bullying of some feminists at the hands of WAP.
I still see many decrying choice feminists today with choice feminists being anyone that supports sex workers rights.
Gawd forbid the authoritarians don’t get to control everything happening in your bedroom.
Basically choice feminism has = a very good thing for the majority of my life.
It has = people that think of the collective, acknowledge intersectionality, support choices for women in several different boats, etc.
It’s kind of ludicrous to apply it to women that don’t want you to have a choice outside of what they deem fit at all.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned here…
Linda would also sing the praises of Evelina Giobbe.
Evelina was a former sex worker (a term radfems still hate because it came from sex workers themselves in the 1970s who were trying to prioritize their need for workers rights/safety) that worked at radfems first shelter for women in the trade.
She SA and physically abused several.
She was known for hitting/slapping/forcibly assaulting women that went there for help until they proclaimed that they were, “her bi*ch now.”
Some have tried to memory hole her court case but you can still find info on it with digging. I shared it left and right when Cat MacKiinnon sang her praises in an NYT article about OF.
This whole thing reminds me (brittish) of an article i read from a Conservative/Tory woman who was scornfull of feminism untill she attended a women and mental health seminar- and learned about post partum depression. See, she had become severely low, flat, and anhedonic after her pregnacy and birth of her child, and had never even been told that post partum depression was a thing- so she was walking about with severe untreated depression, feeling guilty and 'broken' because she wasnt experiencing motherhood with joy like shed been taught was 'normal'. In the artical she said that hearing about post-partum depression for the first time, realising it was common, treatable, and NOT a moral defect made her cry. It also made her realise that she needed to re-think her position on feminism because 'if it could happen with this, what else could be being ignored'. This woman was a white middle-upper class journalist, and its striking to me that it took it happening too her- in a way she recognised as harmful- for her to rethink her position.
Idk it just strikes me that these women have the privalage to not only be sheilded from some of the nastiest consequences of their beliefs, but also the privalage to alienate and ignore those who are hurt. Deem them 'inferior' women. Unless it happens to them of course.
But of course RECOGNISING it has happened to you- identifying an injustice as what it is can also be hugely difficult. How was that lady to know that proper mental health care had been withheld from her when the framing she had to use to make sense of it was one of moral failure and shame? How can you advocate for your rights if the knowledge you need to idenify them is withheld from you? And thats before we even get into the emotional trauma of recognising abuse/oppression as abuse. The realisation itself- that the people who aught to care about you dont, and are in fact willing to accept your being hurt as part of normal life if it benifits them- is a really fucking painful realisation. Its not uncommon for people being abused (or witnessing abuse) to reframe it in a way that makes it 'ok' for the mistreatment to have happened- because that preserves the sense of a safe 'positive' community to be part of. We're social animals, we survive as a group, so to realise that that group doesnt have your best interests at heart is devestaiting in its own right.
I think thats probably part of the appeal for these trad wives- to see what tgey do as wrong would require not just re-assessing themselves but the people around them too. The people theyre hurting (especially their daughters) by spreading this rhetoric- but also tge ways they may have bern hurt or constrained by the ideology- the interests theyve given up, the needs theyve ignored, the insults theyve taken, the lack of boundries/safety/choice (especially regards to sex). Sadly, far right movements are also (unsuprisingly) a hot bed of domestic violence too- like, obviously abusers occur accross all parts of the polictical spectrum, but the far right especially fosters and attitude of entitlement and control regarding womens bodies and time. Its almost a perfect environment in which to abuse someone and get away with it. So theres likely litteral domestic violence in the mix for some of these women too.
Just. This mix of privalage and precarity, proclaiming safety while putting yourself and others in danger.....its car crash awful to watch, but deeply facinating too. And i deeply love your speech at the end that they should try seeking safety elsewhere. Its such a kind, and genuinely helpfull thing to say in the face of some people who spout truly disgusting views on the regular.
Bravo!❤
One thing that annoys me about Tradwives is that they don't want men to have choices either. I'm sure they would have a fit if a stay-at-home dad showed up to one of their stroller jogs.
So glad you're covering this! Raised relig right "pure" here, scary wondering who I'd be if not for leaving at 18 (Army).
Early notes: "Find a man that will train you" is _so creepy,_ it's not like she means healthy BDSM fun. (Also F you blondie, we cook when we want to, MYOB)
Personally, one of the most important aspects of my feminism is unironically, think of the children.
Tradwives on tiktok are not making their choice in a vacuum. They're promoting it to girls and young women who don't understand that being dependent on a man makes it harder for a woman to leave an abusive relationship.
I feel this way about other things, like cosmetic surgery. Your body, your choice but normalising it on social media means kids are going to grow up with unhealthy ideas about their bodies.
Feminism shouldn't be about the individual, it should be about the collective, about what we owe to each other, especially what we owe to kids, what kind of world we want the next generation of girls to grow up in
I like this title because it can be interpreted in two ways:
1. Choosing to be oppressed
2. Somehow feeling "oppressed" by the ability to choose
Hence the quotation marks, which only leaves one interpretation: your first one.
I’m a French feminist and very recently in my country, abortion became a liberty more than just a right by being written in the French Constitution. While I understand ppl who disagree with this inscription in the Constitution, I feel a relief for my rights. This isn’t about killing babies it’s about saving a woman from being forced to have a baby after a rape or else. I’m so glad my country made this decision bc it’s the first country to do so. I just hope conservatives can change their wrong ideas from abortion…
Abortions have been legal in France since the mid '70s....up to the 10th week of pregnancy, I think. So would you be okay with legal abortions in rape cases only? I'm asking, because the majority of abortions are not due to rape, but sexual recklessness. While I am pro abortion in such cases, let's not fool ourselves and claim that women want it only for that reason. Many forms of birth control are freely available, and unborn children have a right to be spoken for as well.
Abortion shouldn't be treated as a get out of jail free card after a drunk night out.
Babies are not aborted. Fetuses are aborted. And abortion is not only for rape victims. It’s for whoever wants one for whatever reason that is no one’s business. It’s about a woman having control over her body. Why are you focusing on rape victims, I don’t know.
@@RenataKleinRK Women have control over their bodies. Nobody forces them to get pregnant. Part of that control is personal behavior, which in turn carries responsibility for said behavior.
A fetus is a developing baby, so we are already talking about an innocent human life here that shouldn't get destroyed for matters of convenience...that's evil.
Even feminists understand that which is why they are using rape as their main argument for abortion.
Women are biologically very different from men and as such they are not in a position to treat sex the same way as men do. That may not be fair, but it doesn't change the fact that women need to show more restraint.
Birth control is freely available, including condoms, so maybe it's not too much to ask that women accept accountability when they do get pregnant.
@@RenataKleinRK Women have control over their bodies. After all, who but yourself decides who you sleep with? So it's not about control; it's about responsibility and accountability. And I'm sorry, but adults can be expected to act responsibly and to be held accountable.
Not just in terms of pregnancy, but also STD's and other risks that come with sexual activity.
It's the same with everything else in life: you do certain things and there might be unwanted consequences. So who do you have to blame but yourself? There is no human right to get bailed out of having made bad decisions.
@@hans-christianbauer5947 "and unborn children have a right to be spoken for as well"
Including those gestated by rape?
The statement "we r biologically hardwired to have kids so not wanting kids is weird" really sounds like saying that im weird for not wanting to be depressed because im biologically hardwired to have depression😅
These people probably have a breeding/pregnancy kink
You would think if every woman is biologically hardwired to want kids there wouldn't be so many women not wanting kids. Doesn't seem all that hardwired to me
@ic5889 right? It wasn't even that hard for me to go against my "hard-wired biological instincts". I used to think that every married couple just had kids whether they gave birth to them or adopted them (that's on being raised religious). I heard of couples (and people) who deliberately choose to not have kids at around 12/13 for the first time and realized "Oh, so having kids is optional? Cool, I don't want them, having kids sounds exhausting."
@ville__ do you have anything better to do?
Yesss! And what are you supposed to do according to these tradwives when you still don't want children? ...Have them anyway and then both you and the children will be miserable?
Super love your inclusion of WOC's participation in the feminist movement - they sure didn't teach us about it in school!
i completely agree. it’s like shanspeare takes what we’re all thinking and puts it into words.
Siding with oppressors will never save you.
What happens when tradwife is dumped for a younger or more “tame” tradwife and is left with a dozen kids and no visible means of support. Pretty sure this happens as men have pretty much had their cake and ate it too !
They honestly don’t think do they 😂
Traditional men typically don’t leave their wives for younger w😅men
@@tikifreaky5204 yah right, they just cheat all the time!
@@shelleyord5154what percentage of men do this? I’d love to see the stats to verify your statements.
@@tikifreaky5204google hun. Marriage has a 70% infidelity rate. These traditional wives are delusional
There isn't nothing wrong being a housewife, but there is with being a tradwife. Those women give me the creeps
Exactly tradwifes are creepy
they seem lost in life and are without identity and try to groom other women into their misery
The fact that jesus respected and even told a working woman to take a break and sit down from her work while he was sharing the word so she can join in is often times moments that these trad wives overlook, ontop of that jesus would probably hate the modern day christian 😭😂
jesus was quite literally everything these conservatives hate lol. His wonderful teachings got co-opted and edited by the church and priests. The devil has infiltrated a long long time ago
No, Jesus said f*** crimes were a thing. Jesus was absolutely for controlling other people's actions
I'm a human and I'm disgusted by so many modern day Christians, imagine Jesus Himself.
and the working woman is often scorned, even though she was working to make his visit pleasant.
Jesus will be called woke and hated
Wollenstonecraft: Throws patriarchy under the bus in public, passes, has her husband throw the patriarchy under the next bus after she's gone just so everyone's sure
Her daughter: Time to invent goth and sci fi
And bluntly, the nerds of the world owe them both a debt
Seriously though it's okay to do housemate(housepartner?)/stay at home parent stuff if people want. It's just reeeeally important to remember that the alternatives are also fine, and in a lot of ways the various modes of life are symbiotic. Parallel structures, baybee.
The patriarchy is a hell of a drug.
😷😷✨ ProPAgAnDa✨
@@Theseduceyagal That comment makes no sense.
@@bdarecords_ k
Explain
i think the barbie movie proved that. 😂
What I resent, as a woman, is that women are discussed in such reductive ways, as though we were a hive mind whose collective agency is subject to public referendum. Why does society assert a prerogative to talk about women, and not men, that way?
Another thing is that if any concept touted as "the natural order" is violable, is possible to conceive of being disobeyed, then it's not the "natural order."
PREACH- if women were biologically designed to be submissive, society wouldn't have had to be organized around keeping us subservient. And even though it was we STILL rebelled and fought to get to where we are now. How much more proof do you need that there's nothing "natural" about this? Female ANIMALS in the wild go out and hunt. Humans made this shit up!!
My heart especially goes out to the daughters with tradwife moms, especially with the one post with a tradwife bragging about teaching her young daughter that her purpose is to serve her future husband and she should depend on a man. Doesn't sound like much energy is going into her self-worth or self-esteem, especially if the only path laid before her is that of a tradwife in training.
THANK YOU for acknowledging disabled people when addressing the "what if your husband leaves you?!" argument. i'm disabled and dependent on my partner and that one always makes me feel like shit. like i'm being regressive because i can't be the Strong and Independent Career-Driven Woman i'm supposed to be, and it would be my fault if said partner decided to leave me in a ditch lmao. a lot of feminism really is only focused on abled white women
(although i should note i don't identify as a woman- but i'm AFAB and a lot of people would still see me that way, so i'm still sort of tied up in it)
“Fat, defiant, can’t cook, won’t clean” is my new motto, i’m making that a t shirt
amen
As a lesbian, I don’t understand these women. How can you hate women and yourself that much. Heterosexuality is wild
girl i'm straight (and living proof that sexuality is not a choice lmao) and these women are baffling to me. I think a lot of the willingness to listen to this rhetoric and choose this lifestyle comes from a combination of ignorance and privilege. I think many of them just don't grasp the larger concepts at play and why this lifestyle is problematic. Not that ignorance is an excuse of course, esp when they think anyone not following their lifestyle is inferior. I think it often doesn't occur to them that even if we wanted to, many ppl cannot choose this lifestyle. I wonder how many of them come from a very fundy religio type background where they were very sheltered in their upbringing. I would feel bad for them if it wasn't for the fact that they want to take My rights and Your rights, not just their own.
They think if they willingly bash other women, men will think they are "one of the good ones" and spare them. They should study history because that ploy never works out so well.
To understand American women, we must understand slavery because women were the first slaves & will be also be the last. In America, during slavery, there were two classes of slaves, house slaves & labor. When the master's house caught on fire, the house slaves would scream " master, master, our house is on fire" & the field slaves would dance. Black political consciousness is far more developed than poor white movements because they know the difference. When young white women live ignorantly in the privilege of white male wealth & male approval, they foolishly believe the house is theirs until they are deemed useless & disposed of. Only after their divorce, do privileged trad wife women come to understand they were always poor dependents. (One of the biggest growing impoverished classes in America is divorced middle-aged women.)
I'm pretty sure they're like that because of *jazz hands* calvinismmmm, a Baptist branch of reformed Christianity that believes human beings are degenerate and filthy at their core. Real loving liberal bunch.
right? when I like a girl all I want is to protect her and take care of her. I will never understand why some “straight” men hate women so much.
I'm glad you featured Peachy Keenan - I found out about her cause Audible suggested a pre-order of her book on the app. I don't believe she's that influential, no matter how much she wants to influence the world so it's interesting to see someone else covering her. My nightmare is she's a real life Serana Joy from the Handmaid's Tale but I doubt that many people agree with her and want to go back to an older pre feminist world.
The one b!tch saying mothers should shame their daughters for gaining a few pounds makes me furious - does she know how toxic body image and diet culture is to women and how serious eating disorders are?
I remember the fat shaming lady, and to be blunt I don't think she cares. I believe she's Nicole Arbor, she made a video called "Dear Fat People" years ago, when she was trying to be a comedian. Sounds like she's moved away from comedy, but is still playing to conservative sensibilities. And, obv, still fat shaming.
Edit; Figured I'd clarify that I don't know for sure if that's Nicole Arbor or not, it's been lord knows how long since I last spared her any real thought. If it is, yeah, she really doesn't care about the harm she may cause. Never seemed to care at all.
Have any of these people read/watched The Handmaid’s Tale? That’s where tradwives will end up, and not even the men are happy.
In the media we consumed as kids, there was always this big overarching theme of, “the battle between good and evil will never rest” (with some added optimism of “but good always triumphs” as to not get the kids too jaded too quickly).
Seeing the same core themes used to dehumanize and oppress the same groups of people between different eras, just dressed up with modern sensibilities, really drives that idea home.
No matter how far we’ve come in our progress against hate and oppression, there will always be people who are searching for a reason to other people and look down on them. We can win battles (such as women’s suffrage and outlawing slavery), but there is no end to the war.
This is why the “battle of good vs evil” theme is so important; good doesn’t triumph on its own. Good triumphs when someone stands up and fights back against evil to keep people safe for another day.
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
~ Edmund Burke
I live with a self hating tradwife because she's infertile. I told her once that I wish she didn't devalue herself because she can't have a kid and at first, she immediately replied,
"I don't devalue myself because of it."
To which I responded with a questioning stare.
her :"Okay I guess I do..."
Really!? A very thinly veiled anecdote to imply infertile or childless women are self hating. Nice try boo.
Simply put tell your pastor to go suck it and stop going to church for awhile. See if things improve. Get her out of that toxic environment.
So? I may become infertile due some upcoming surgeries I may have to get and the thought of being infertile is worse than death to me. I also know it will make me less desirable as a partner because men are human beings and human beings generally want to create their own families. I’ve yet to meet a man that doesn’t want kinds and I desperately want to have more children so yeah infertility is truly devastating.
@@AasiyahMuhammed_777you’re not a lesser person because of it tho. You’re still just as valuable.
@@AasiyahMuhammed_777 I think it can be devastating to some. I never wanted my own kids, I always said that if I wanted to be a mother, I'll adopt. Nor was my ex husband interested in becoming a parent, nor is the man I'm currently connecting with...so maybe, get out more? not everyone sees themselves or other women who don't have or want kids as less valuable. wth
*Thank you for the latest video, mother. I shall cherish this greatly.*
Sidenote: Trad-wives lowkey seems like they were groomed into becoming the way they are themselves...especially being "trained" by the man behaving the way they should. Is this a cry for help?