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Rich white women in the early 1900s were the ones that had time to march around and protest and get your wine-shilling butt the right to vote! Don't forget that.
What was that nonsense about white women having" a higher chance of being hatecrimed by Jeffree Star" ? Does a crime not labelled a hate crime not count? Where TF did you get those statistics?
Seriously, in this inflationary economy you need to be buying bulk rice, beans and oatmeal, canned meat and vegetables not some stupid booze. You don't need to be a traditional homemaker to know that!
The funniest part is that they are not even jobless. They are full time content creators who earn loads of money telling other women why they should leave the money making to their husbands. And did we notice the how they use their sexuality in these videos. I have no doubt that they have a huge male audience. Not very conservative or traditional of them.
You hit on the head! It’s funny to me when I see tradwives flaunting their stuff on their accounts and of course theirs so many men in the comments praising her. Like you said it’s rather funny after all shouldn’t the husband be the one making the money? Not every ladylike if you ask me
I idolised my mother who would've fit into this tradwife fad, wanted to be just like her. But I realised that it burnt her out entirely. She also wanted to pursue a career but couldn't with 5 kids and a husband who all relied on her. I have nothing wrong with women who want to be stay at home mothers, but those who carefully curate content to make it look effortless and without cons are obviously lying to you to sell a fantasy.
I mean, that's just a good rule of thumb for everything in social media, isn't it? Like, you don't get clicks or sponsorships by showing how chaotic life can be, especially with multiple young children in the picture. You have to sell the fantasy to people who don't know why better, because everyone who does would immediately know exactly how full of shit you are.
@@noname-gh1vr I mean, I don't like influencers but at least most of them aren't claiming that women shouldn't have rights because the "trad life" is that great.
@chansfeet2500 that wasn't even the point of what was being said. Op said "but those who carefully curate content to make it look effortless and without cons are trying to sell you a fantasy." That is an influencers job. These people aren't trying to take away women's rights by being a sahm/sahw. If your position is threatened by a bunch of women making pies then it isn't that strong to begin with.
My mom is a wannabe trad wife. She fully believes men deserve to be in charge of everything and should have final say. Thing is, in all her relationships she ends up miserable with mean man-child partners who at best are lazy and entitled, and at worse are abusive to her. And every single time she finally has enough and leaves them, and then STILL doesn't see the fault in her way of seeing things and the type of men she's picking. It makes me so sad. And of course she thinks I'm the miserable one because I have zero desire for romance and sex, and don't ever want to get married or even date. I love living alone and being single, and it blows her mind. She's convinced I'm sad and lonely, when she's the one who is both of those things.
Sounds very much like when religious people calling others "trapped" and affirm that they're "free", when THEY are the ones that forbid themselves from doing/watching actually fun stuff and only have, like, three topics to talk about.
What's hilarious is that historically housewives have done unbelievable amounts of backbreaking labour. Even just laundry pre-washing machines was a grueling ordeal that took multiple days. This magical relaxed housewife fantasy is just that, a fantasy.
i think its similar to the never ending tiktoks of women saying they wish they were born during the times where they could dance in ballgowns in palaces with their royal husbands but now "bc of bad feminism they have to work" etc. (i dont know if u have seen these tiktoks). they dont realize that back then they wouldnt be in this tax bracket. almost no one was. they would at best probably be maids in the houses of these rich folks getting treated like dirt and working until their backs break with almost no money from before the sun rises to late after the sun goes down. its delusional.
@@AnnaAnna-st2je Omg yes!!! Look the idea is a nice fantasy who hasn’t pondered the idea of marrying into royalty. But as you mentioned it’s all fantasy in reality most of those same woman like you said would be at best maids! Or laundry ladies.
The magical relaxed housewife was a fantasy created in the 1950s by advertising in order to sell electric home appliances that could do the work faster than the old way of doing it by hand. They had to make it look like you would lead a relaxing life in order to get women and their husbands to buy the merchandise. The reality was that you were still busy 24-7, you just had machines now.
Its bizarre that these people call the idealised version of my grandparents lives (which werent actually like that anyway) "traditional" when the parents of the baby boomers were living in a very historically distinctive time and considered the way they were living as HYPER MODERN. They saw their era as very much NOT TRADITIONAL, they were speeding towards modernity.
The whole idea of a nuclear family with a stay at home wife was a relatively recent invention. That's what makes this sideshow even dumber to me. I knew my great grandmother, who would've been born at the end of the 19th century. She never lived a life that these clowns chase, she neither did anyone she knew.
Exactly. And didn’t hippie culture start because Baby Boomers started rejecting the boxes that their parent’s lifestyles set for them? If even the Boomers didn’t want that life, why should we?
Right? My great aunt played piano at the White House in the Victorian era. There likely have always been what we refer to as "trad wives," but like now, not the majority. Women fought for the right to vote and have their own bank accounts.
39:00 This hit hard. My grandma (rural VA woman married off at 13 to a 30yo man), used to clean houses and be a live-in housekeeper (in her childhood) and found the KKK outfit hidden in a closet of the lawyer she worked for. She told me this story in her 80s and still whispered like she was wary about said she flew out of that house and ran all the way back home. I was so confused because I thought being "white" protected her, but it's not true.
Being white didn’t necessarily protect you. ANYONE who dared challenge the status quo back then would get a visit from someone later, maybe a warning first. Might escalate to cross-burning on your lawn, but they were going to silence anyone who spoke out, no matter their color. Being White wasn’t protection.
What do you mean you thought being white would protect her? Everyone was scared of the Klan. They were scary people who did horrifying things to anyone who got in their way, regardless of race.
The book "They Were Her Property" by Stephanie Jones-Rogers is a beginner friendly, yet very in depth look at the role of white women as slave owners before and during the Civil War. Would highly recommend to anyone looking to learn more about white women's role in white supremacy. super light reading! /s
trad wives are so funny bc they’re like “let women go back to tending the home like they used to instead of working🥺💔” like women haven’t been in the workforce since forever. it’s only now that economic instability has gotten so bad it’s touching upper middle class white suburbia they’re like “what happened to living off of one income alone💔💔”
@@athenapromachos3027 Oh, no worries. I just didn't want to see you wasting your time. We don't get much, and there are usually better ways to spend it than talking to software making wild posts.
I can't hear you over the image of a bunch of giant bunnies, chickens, ducks, and a big garden. Lol I'm not trying to have whole cows and tractors...just an acre of land surrounded by woods, with a 30 minute drive in any direction to a town. I think that's probably a more realistic balance.
6:10 I went to the African American museum in DC. In one floor discusing slavery, one thing that struck me interesting (and very disturbing) was the whips on the display that were specifically made for white women to use. The WHIPS were freaking gendered. Like that wasnt going to cause the same amount of damage onto enslaved bodies.
The amount of harm they could still cause was exactly why the were gendered. Presumably the men's whip would have been too hard to manage and use while still causing damage. So they made them one they could handle easier. In order to be able to be effient in it's task. Sickening.
Funny thing about all those tradwive influencers on TH-cam is that the successful ones have pretty much all tripled down on their content creation since getting married and having their first child. You'd think they wouldn't have as much free time now that they have a husband and child to care for, but the more their channels grow the more content they push out... almost like they were prioritizing their TH-cam careers over their tradwife lives!! 😆
That's right. And as we all know, it's shameful for a woman to prioritise her own selfish ambitions over her home, her children, and most importantly, her husband. These ladies should stop wasting time on their silly little ventures and allow themselves to submit to their feminine roles. Their husbands will provide for them. /s
I recall a pastor telling MTG to shut up and go barefoot rather than go to Congress and talk for her uggasituents (I refuse to believe actual people vote for her) because despite her being on his side she was still a loud woman. It's too much for the pastor apparently 😂
I’m a traditional stay at home wife. This is my choice, it makes me happy, I enjoy cleaning it’s a stress reliever for me. That being said my husband still helps with his own house work. He takes care of the lawn, garbage, cat litter, recycling and anything I specifically ask for help with. He is an attentive father to our baby, and a kind, sweet man to me. Here is the real thing though, NO ONE should be forced into this role. It’s not for everyone, it’s stressful and it’s a lot. Every woman should make that decision for herself.
That video wasen't a critique about choosing to be a SAHM (I am too), it was about white supremacist having a very functional tradwife pipeline and it gets lverlooked how much a hand woman do have in racist and supremecist groups and how it CAN intersect with femenisem.
@@More13Feen I disagree with that, the mother being home with the children and taking care of the home is something that’s been in all human cultures for the most part. Hence the name “traditional” being in the name. These girls are really just cosplaying the pretty parts, it’s not even real. It’s a TikTok trend. Real life traditional sahm’s lives are nothing like that.
I don’t know why so many people keep saying this. Who the hell is forcing you to stay at home? Even that tik tok trad wife mentioned in one of her recent videos that her videos are only meant for women who are interested in being a trad wife. And that everyone is free to follow their own path in life. If being a trad wife isn’t for you then obviously those videos aren’t for you.
@ ville__ you and/or someone(s) with names really close to yours spam most of the YT videos I watch. That bot level of spamming makes me worry for you.
@@XCaptianXChaosX yeah this person's been at it for 3 years across several channels, mainly targeting queer/trans creators They used to derail comments with huge arguments but now whoever I see them it's just spam copy-paste stuff
@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun Yea. I just always wondered if it was just one troll or a whole group of spammers. If that is one person, I am severaly worried. The dude needs to go and feel the grass beneath his feet.
Funny how these influencers talk about how they love to homeschool their children, when there are a growing number of reports of how these kids are victims of abuse.
Yep! As a former homeschooled kid who experienced abuse at the hands of my over worked and stressed out mother, I can absolutely attest to how vulnerable children are in these types of situations. You have no resources and no outside adult voices to advocate for you, no safe spaces, it’s just a generally scary ass time. To every kid who’s being homeschooled by unhealthy parents: you’ll make it.
Was homeschooled and can confirm. I know countless others who were abused by their parents also. Other adults just enabled them or were fooled by their public façade.
That's a feature for them. They "submit" to total dominion by their husband, and in turn they feel entitled to total dominion over their children. For people like that, the goal isn't to be liberated themselves, it's to have dominion over someone else.
Your early points about the WKKK remind me of probably one of the most chilling realizations of my life. In my work, I've handled robes from the KKK. They were a man's robes obviously, but his name was hand-stitched inside them. We can pretty safely assume he didn't do that himself. A woman in his life did that. When we talk about the contributions of women in the labor force, we have to consider invisible labor, and I think that was the moment I understood on a visceral level just how integral women are to bolstering white supremacy and other systems of oppression.
The Church shooting hit me in a way nothing else really has. I'm a white atheist that grew up in a Baptist Church. I will always have a little love for churches, the community, the love, the sense of safety. I can only imagine those things are even more important in a black church, some of the only safe places for many black people throughout our history. I cannot fathom how horrifying this was for black Americans. I'm so sorry that this kind of hate crime is still a real threat.
thank you for acknowledging this. I am a black agnostic, but spirtual woman and while I rejected the church I still have fond memories of my time in church and many of my family's most important functions/gatherings/events happen IN church. The reason the black community has clung to the church for so long is because it has historically been one of the few safe spaces for us to gather. Largely considered somewhat respectable enough to be off limits. It's so much more than a place of worship. It's a social club, a think tank, and a base of action. So for such a sacred space to be violated like that, is psychologically damaging and incredibly disheartening
2017 was such a fever dream, so many people were openly expressing their nazi views and then the charlottesville unite the right rally happened as a cherry on top. insane times to be growing up, i was just starting my freshman year of highschool with so many openly weird people
It was a wild time. I was going through an anti-feminist/anti-SJW phase in my freshman year of college, and the Unite the Right rally is what pulled me out of it. Since then, I've made a concerted effort to unlearn and unpack the internalized misogyny that I allowed myself to build up inside.
Modern women should embrace feminism…but also women shouldn’t close her eyes on world issues We women give birth to civilization we must take part and be apart in a lot of political actions and leanings Now with that being said …. Women couldn’t have property, have an account, have an actual job without discrimination, have maternity leave …..because it wasn’t until the rise of feminism in 60’s and 70’s and no ur grandmother wasn’t happy back then The rights you enjoy now as a women …women begged for !!! Voting Owning property Working Access to higher learning Access to better job , conditions and rights …. All were gotten by ur grandmother
My city had a stabbing in 2017 because a white supremacist was terrorizing two women of color. A skinhead of all people was the only victim to survive.
same omg 😭 i was turning 15 in 2017 and i remember when trump got elected, everyone at my very christian lutheran middle school was cheering, but me and my family were crying
My SIL is rapidly going down this pipeline and it frightens me. My brother has narcissistic tendencies and a submissive wife is the last thing he needs. I fear for my nephew's wellbeing.
Someone living differently than you is not a reason to be all dramatic. Reality check; be concerned if that kids isn't being fed, clothed, sheltered, or protected. As long as the kid is healthy and safe worry about yourself. Don't get all tripped out over a youtubers opinion, none of the things she said are facts, just her own observation, but who is she really to make you judge your family behind something she says. Stop worshipping and hanging onto people on social media, they don't know you, and have no more knowledge than you do...
@KinaBoo20 imagine telling someone they don't know their own family. Also egotistical men and submissive women are not a good pairing especially when they're parents
Not to downplay the seriousness, but one thing this taught me is that if conservatives were more honest about their sexual kinks, we'd have less of them 😂
in all reality, so much of the radicalism of some of these people stems from being shamed for anything they enjoy, and it’s only worse if sexual desire is involved. they don’t get to enjoy anything, so no one else gets to either
@@fihof7266 This is a good point... Tie that in with some of the twisted religious beliefs/ideas about what is & isn't a 'sin' (particularly around sex) causing massive guilt & all sorts of relationship hang-ups. They end up hating themselves & the resentment spreads through the family unit like poison.
I would agree, but I'm afraid the situation is sadder than that. IF these alt-right yahoos lost their fear and demonization of sex, and say, joined their local BDSM venue, they'd *still* wind up harming people. Because kink requires consent. Navigating kink requires a TON of communication, and negotiation. It requires respect... at LEAST in the beginning. You have to see the other person as a human being. But they see women as property, not as fellow humans, and so they would be incapable of navigating a kink relationship without completely ignoring their wife's well-being, wants, and needs.... and I can't even IMAGINE one of them administering effective, psychologically-sound aftercare!
I am a Cis Hetero Asian man, I like watching these video essays to learn about topics outside of my usual sphere. this was an interesting video. good job 👍🏻
Or maybe its the result of religious grooming telling them that being submissive to a man will keep them safe and protected from the outside world...Not everything is about sex...
I find it so ironic when some tradwives take on 50s vintage style as part of their aesthetic. They don't appear to realise (or wilfully ignore) that the modern vintage community, while not perfect by any means, is a proactive inclusive space filled with people of all races, gender identities and sexualities. In a way, it's a subculture which is the direct opposite of the conservative tradwife mindset. The hashtag #vintagestylenotvintagevalues exists for a reason. Thanks for this great video Shakespeare 💕
This reminds me of the time I was presenting in a grad school class and to remind a whie woman that they were allowed to own property in the form of slaves. She started to make teary eyed excuses, I continued my presentation while other white women were comforing her.
good.,Opressors shoudl be remionded on their hsitory .Its like in chatroom i was on when turk went on white europeans exploit brown people.yes, they do but not all of them like my dpople -white serbian nation who were slaves with littler rights of "brown" turks for 400 years durign whcih they stole our kids to raise as salve soldiers, raped our women and terroised anyone who didnt bow down to them. heck today we are at toods with first world "white" military alince called nato in whcih turks are also members but we are one whcih fouht them
I am a SAHM, homeschool my child(ren), love to bake bread, Christian, pro vax, pro gay, pro choice, feminist who hopes to one day live on a farm and grow all our own (vegan) food. I have such a fear of being lumped into the tradwife group in peoples minds. But hopefully my tattoos & piercings balance out the long skirts and dresses that I wear for comfort. 😵💫 As always, love the content & love the approach you take to these hard topics.
Progressive Christians (or progressive religious people in general) are some of the coolest people ever, keep doing what you’re doing :D A lot of older labor movements had heavy Catholic involvement.
@@RenaissanceRockerBoy Thank you! I’d love to look into the history of labor movements & the Catholic Church very interesting while maybe playing some Pete Seeger lol.
I'm a nurse and that elderly woman at the start with the 911 phone call telling the police people had been shot broke me today. The sheer numbness and grief in her voice and you could hear it wasn't her first brush with it. I'm from upstate South Carolina. My heart broke for people when it happened. And it still breaks.
It's a giant curated ad. Who the hell knows, what happens, when the cameras are turned off. The examples provided by Ruby Franke, the Duggar and Sister Wives' families are not encouraging.
I am a stay at home wife and if anyone is looking for a welcoming community of SAHs, there is the Reddit community r/homemaking. A little while ago, there was a discussion on the "Trad Wife" community and how many of us who don't fit into the rigid Trad Wife construct (be it the person is LGBTQ+, a person of color, or male) have found comfort and acceptance in r/homemaking.
That's really cool! I'm glad there's groups like that nowadays. I wish my mother had something like that while I was growing up, because she's openly talked about how isolated she felt staying at home.
here in America - we have become so phobic about affection, especially same sex affection. Women friends used to walk around together holding hands all the time - so did men! Friends would greet each other with kisses.
Staying means nothing if leaving isn't an option. It definitely sounds like some early tradwives were victims themselves, stuck between hurting others or hurt themselves
My cute, almost college graduated, black ass almost thought I wanted to be a tradwife. I just want to demolish the current system. Queen Shan strikes again
I felt like that in college and sometimes now when I am overwhelmed with work or just don't want to go into the office 😂 I get over it pretty quickly though lmao.
I've noticed in discussions of the alt-right and child rearing there's a sort of implied assumption that only the alt-right homeschool their kids and that homeschooling is always bad. I just wanted to come out of the woodwork to say that i am a leftist who was homeschooled by leftists explicitly because my mom, who is a person of color, did not want me exposed to the extreme racism present in the US school system, especially in how history is taught. I went to public high school and am now in college, and while i certainly have issues with certain aspects of homeschooling, and recognize that it is only an option available to the middle and upper classes, its not Always Bad or Always Worse than public or private institutionalized schooling. And it's certainly not just done by the alt-right. Also my mother is a very well educated woman who CHOSE homemaking because it is what she really wanted to do.
I spent some time as a stay at home gf bc me and my partner were trying to see if that worked for us, and I literally became insane. I think that theres a lot of negatives about the lifestyle that is ignored completely by all STHM influencers because it doesn't fit the image they are trying to sell. Maybe I wasn't cut out to be a stay at home partner, but I refuse to believe that at least half of these women do not have severe cabin fever.
some people genuinely love it. i dated a homemaker and my sister is one, as well as my metamour. they all had to basically go thru a self acceptance process to get there, no one pipelined them (they're a white woman, a black/PR woman, and a black/white mixed trans man).
Not sure if stayed at home with a kid but I does help having something to do throughout the day. I am a SAHM but could never imagine being home without kids I would just return back to work I’d go insane
My husband and I tried it prior to marriage when we moved across the country, and I absolutely loved it BUT he hated it. Just to be able to afford the bare minimum basics, he was working 14+ hour days 6 days a week and even on his one day off he'd often do various side jobs to bring in extra money or food or I'd do side jobs to bring in whatever was lacking. After a few months we talked about it all and he brought up how he hated that he had zero time to himself, zero time to relax, and although he loved coming home to a clean house and cooked meals, he couldn't enjoy anything because he was too tired and living off of caffeine and nicotine. It also didn't help that I was constantly excited when he came home so I wanted to smother him with affection, which wasn't always an issue but I understand that after a long ass day some times the last thing you want is someone constantly wanting to talk and touch you. And none of that even touched that I dropped my living standards MASSIVELY while being a housewife. I went back to work and now here we are over a decade later with a baby and able to keep our heads above water a hell of a lot easier than when I stayed at home.
I got mad at the Candace Owens clip again😂 Platonic intimacy is so insanely valuable and beautiful!! Holding hands with my friends is the best feeling!! Snuggling with a guy friend without sexual tension makes my heart happy. She mad cuz she dont got friends, she got people around her and thats it.
Candace Owens is wild. I feel bad for her a smidge that she doesn’t understand the value of platonic intimacy. Maybe if she hugged and held hands with her besties maybe she’d chill out a bit lol.
That clip took me by surprise. In some countries it is common for platonic friends to hold hands. I live in the US, and it makes me a little sad when people here call things weird that are normal in other places.
I'm generally a grumpy bastard. Not really, but that's how it can seem to people who just look at me or don't know me well. But even as a guy, there's something so disarming and physically (even existentially) relaxing when a cake friend just grabs your hand or wraps her arm around your elbow as you're walking somewhere. By body doesn't generally know what to do when all that official tension leaves, so it's always confusing for a second, but always loved and appreciated every moment after that. Even movie night cuddling without sexual tension can be amazing. My grumpy ass ain't even tense back up for a couple days, just because someone I enjoy that much wrapped herself around me so much there's no place for that tension to hide. Just curled up over a blanket watching a movie with someone I care about can change my mood for a couple of days, easy. I think it's because I don't generally handle people being in my personal space well. With very few exceptions, most people just have no need to be that physically close to someone. But then you're with someone (in my case a woman, though I've still had wonderful cuddle times with lesbians so there's zero possible sexual tension) can just make the tension away. They both really can be such beautiful things.
The court case Oregon v. Rideout in 1978 was the first in which someone stood trial for raping his spouse while they lived together. By 1993, marital rape was a crime nationwide.
Whenever ⚪ people in the US go off about immigration... All I can ask: "So when are you going back to Europe?" I can demand this of them as I'm a *real* American. Reservation carded and everything.
Tbf, rosnya deserves to be segregated from the yanks and the west in general (and that's one thing white americans are right about). Once germany started coddling them, the percentage of homophobic and racist hate crimes skyrocketed. I fear that if my people will be allowed into the west again, the alt right will IMMEDIATELY feel emboldened enough to practice their bigotry.
It’s crazy how some women will look at the past when a lot of women were treated like objects, had no rights, and suffered greatly to get said rights be like “I want that life, why can’t we go back?”
It's more ...I saw my grandparents have a healthy traditional relationship...and my parents with my super feminist mom get super stressed and overloaded because all the same chores exist even if both partners are working full-time. I thought they were going to get divorced. I would rather do all the house chores than argue with my partner about it.
Congrats on the Hbomberguy shoutout, I've been watching for a few months before that because I've been looking for more black video essayists and you have some of the best editing and research I've seen of a lot of essayists in general. Keep up the great work 😊
I was so gagged and elated when Shan got the shoutout! And it's well deserved, their work is always so thoughtful and well researched. Hope to see their chanel continue to grow significantly.
Honestly, I feel like the concept of a “traditional wife” can’t help but carry patriarchal baggage and it’s important to acknowledge that in the way we approach relationships
I thought I wanted a "tradwife" life. I kind of have one. I'm happily married, we get by on one income with some inherited wealth, we live in the country. I don't HAVE to work. And it about put me in a psych ward. Becoming a mother didn't fill me with purpose and joy. I was miserable. It wasn't until I got back into art and started working with it and making it into a career that the misery lifted.
As someone who has been a SAHM, I can never understand someone WANTING that much stress and pressure put on them day in and day out. I’m a working mom now, and I enjoy life SO MUCH MORE. I feel like an actual human being that gets to participate in society instead of just someone’s mom stuck in a tiny box on the endless scope of the internet.
Straight up I’m a SAHM and I’m In my mid thirties , I’ve always worked , while it is nice to spend time with the humans I created , it is by no means an EASIER job, it’s extremely difficult not only that , my husband literally only makes the $ which I am grateful for but I have 3 people to tend to all goddam day my job doesn’t end ! In all ways going to work for 6-9 hours making my own $ is by far much easier than staying home and tending to 3 humans all damn day and night. That being said I am grateful , very Grateful I don’t need to take my kiddos to daycare :) they r a handful , and tiring but they r mine and I’m Very grateful to stay home with them, as hard as it is .
@@redrumnoir7552 ya. It def isn’t easy … but imagine if they annoy us , how r they not gonna annoy total strangers ? And they won’t have the patience I have with them lol that’s what scares me
@@melissamartinez3593 nobody lacking in patience should be allowed to work with kids, that’s a hill im willing to die on. So I don’t really care how “annoying” a child might be, if you don’t have patience, don’t sign up to work for daycares or schools 🥹
I love your videos. You seem like such a nice and smart person. You remind me of the meme "Girl, you have done it again. Constantly raising the bar for us all." You are awesome! Never stop making these videos.
I don’t even think there was ever a time in US history when the “ideal American nuclear household” even existed. My grandfather (born in 1940) has 6 sisters and all of them worked their entire lives, and both my grandmothers (born in the 30’s and 40’s) worked their entire lives too
the concept of the whole "women stay in the domestic sphere while men work" was invented either before or during the civil war. before that literally everyone just worked in the fields
@@OliverNorth9729I mean it ran the gambit two of them have college degrees so one was a judge, and the other one worked in an investment firm, but then there were a couple that became nuns, and so they were teachers at the local Christian school for a long time, one was the manager of a general store (from what I understand it was kind of like a 7/11 or something like that), and she was born in the 20’s so she also worked in the factories building cars when WW2 happened, one of them took over for their father as the head of a construction company, one worked for the department of education for a really long time, and one of them was a nurse at a hospital. But also like isn’t the point of the trad wife trend…that the woman isn’t working in a money earning capacity at all?
I'm a middle-aged suburbanite from the Upper Midwest and I can assure you that that the earner husband/stay-at-home wife was the norm in the midcentury middle class (it included the working class) when I was a child. My parents both worked and had a more progressive division of labor than their slightly older trad family peers, but I will say this: 90% of the wives had a great deal of power over household matters, to the point of having fairly equitable relationships with their breadwinner husbands.
Oh my goodness, i feel the joy of opening a new book whenever i get to learn from your videos. thankyou so much for sharing, i'm sure this video is going to be amazing
I have a hunch a lot of this “traditional wife” crap would fall apart as soon as they are requested to do laundry the traditional way-by hand with a tub and a grate, no washer or dryer. Double so when you take away disposable diapers and they have to wash cloth ones-by hand.
By this "logic" shouldn't feminists hand wash clothes and use cloth diapers because washing machines and disposable diapers were both invented by men? In fact, since virtually everything was invented by men, shouldn't feminists be living naked in the woods gathering berries? Tradwives explicity honor and respect men for creating the comfortable world they now live in, it's bitter feminists that whine about it.
what im most concerned about is the lack of financial planning for the tradwives. like yeah they are in their mid 20s now and their partners think they are hot right now but what about when they are in their mid 40s, 50s? when they have given their everything for their families and now their partner gets bored of them, leaves them or even worse what about abuse? how are they going to get back on their feet? what about retirement? they have done decades of unpaid hard labour for their families with nothing to fall back on. but as soon as you remind them of this very possible problem you either get "my husband would never. i know how to chose a man" or the "your boss can fire you whenever he wants and you will be unemployed as well". Which regards to the first one: do you think these women willingly chose men who turned out to be abusers or leave them with nothing in the end? of course not. everyone thinks this will never happen to me but it does happen. regularly. enough so that our old grandmas and aunts have warned us about it. and to the second: finding employment after being fired with an up to date resume and constant work experience is a lot easier than finding employment after decades of nothing on your resume. its a shame but sadly its the reality that domestic work doesnt count in the workplace as experience unless youre a teacher or work in a daycare. and also if you have worked for decades you were most likely able to save and invest some money for hard times/ the future which trad wives dont have. if anything in their "perfectly planned out life" will go wrong they will be at the mercy of their husbands and the court system. And the husbands know this.
They would probably that that is the reason to have lots of children, so they can take care of their mother in turn. Which pretty much sucks. Who wants to be their parents' insurance policy instead of a beloved family member?
@@ttintagel ah thats an interesting way to look at it. that would truly be a shame if thats what these mothers think. using their (lets be honest) older daughters as caregivers for themselves in the case of their life not working out as planned.
And the court system is what they're counting on. They get to live with the comfort of the rights feminism gave them in court. Because if their husbands do leave them, they get that alimony.
That's exactly my concern, too. A huge factor in escaping domestic abuse is if you are financially Independent. The abuser is counting on their victim being unable to survive without them.
While doing research for a college class I fell down a Stormfront rabbit hole in 2016. Stormfront is an older discord server for people who proudly identified as white supremacists, even though men were the majority of members they did have a “women of Stormfront” tab. I lurked and while the women weren’t calling for violence as much as the men they were still horribly gross and racist. Most of the posts revolved around talking shit about the women of color who dated white men these ladies had a crush on. The women also had the most hateful things to say about children. The men didn’t ever mention kids they seemed to forget they existed, but the women spent half their time in the discord insulting biracial children. Shit was horrifying and they’re passing those attitudes onto their kids.
Stormfront is a bit funny for that, they were pariahs for a long time for being the first to have a women's only section. Hammerskins, Iron March, the Chans, and even Something Awful which has "far wings" of both sides have ridiculed them as "Stormcucks," pussies, "kowtowing to feminism," " white power knights, " etc for almost a decade now. They've had artwork of their head honcho Don Black in bdsm sissy gear or girly skirts dropped all over the compound irl. Vanguard even sent the dude a gay sex doll of himself with a riding crop. It's only since the scamdemic the others finally realised "hey, we kinda need women too!" Ironically those other groups went too far in the other direction and latched onto a "colonialist mindset" where _now they don't mind mixing_ " *so long as you steal at least a 7 from the negroes* " so as to eventually dilute other races into nonexistence. Yeah, it's been a weird decade indeed in WN spaces. It's a coin clip whether a reddit sub about "hot black/Hispanic women" is run by a WN fetishist or actual black person 😅
As a "woman"* who was in that subculture (including a fair amount of time on Stormfront over the years), the women give a softer veneer but can absolutely be vicious. There's usually a division between "tradfems" and "valkyries" but both are dangerous in their own ways. * I now identify as nonbinary but in those circles I was perceived as a woman, they aren't that big on trans people... (although there's a surprising number of Alt-Right trans people, mostly via 4chan, but they don't like nonbinary people either).
Stormfront was a white supremacist web site and was the very first non-academic or corporate web site, managed entirely by one private citizen, created around 1996. I was a founder at Netscape and I can remember when the entire WWW was about 100 web sites. Racism, UFOs, conspiracies, and "New Age" type stuff were very popular topics for early web sites as they had essentially no mainstream media coverage. Most media was amateur magazines, or "zines". In the 1990s there were still a significant number (100s) of skinheads running around and they made up most of the white supremacist "movement", such as it was. Stormfront (the web site) was around a long time, until about 2010, before they finally closed their doors. Unsurprisingly, they faced a lot of pressure from "woke" activists who would threaten hosting providers, doxx operators and participants, death threats against operators and participants, etc. After he had passed on the site to others they tracked down the founder and tried to burn his house down.
I have never clicked on a video essay so fast. I've always felt there's something so insidious about how radical/racist/xenophobic white women get a sort of "free pass" because it's so easy for them to hide behind the way louder and way more violent men. Really excited to absorb this information, thank you for your hard work. ♥
I've seriously thought about moving to the woods and wearing long dresses and making butter and just living the homesteady life. The main thing that's stopping me (besides reality) is these damn tradwives ruining the whole aesthetic.
I found you yesterday while recovering from surgery in the hospital. Your voice is so smooth that it helped me fall asleep despite the anxiety. Much love from one enby to another ❤️
this is also so reminiscent of the handmaids tale. the society in the book was able to succeed partially because their wives made their movement accessible and appealing to the public. in the end, though, the wives ended up nearly as repressed as everyone else.
"by placing the bars on your own cage you become the most prized ornament" I love that quote so much, I will definitely not be abe to stop thinking about it.
YES, please, and thankyou! Fantastic work on this increasingly complex topic. So relevant now, and then, and always. I appreciate the way you speak on this.
Really glad I’ve found you. I haven’t been able to connect why women in my family and community were like this. Advocating for servitude. The abusive power they got from owning slaves must have been extremely intoxicating because I saw how much some of my friend’s mom enjoyed controlling their daughters. I have never thought about what these personality types would behave like in an ownership role. The idea of owning a human being is angering and repulsive to me. It’s a wonderful notion to a true believer Christian tradwife. They crave the same power imbalance in a relation ship that their husbands enjoy with them. Exploiters.
Sometimes it feels like individualism has totally morphed into every man is an island attitude and it most certainly has fostered a “me and mine forget thee and thine” attitude.
When I was a teenager before I realized im gay I had a boyfriend that tried to get me into this shit. I've considered making a video about it and the tactics used by alt right groomers several times but I never got around to it as it's too intense for me. I think the "older racist pedophile young pretty white girl" relationship that's EVERYWHERE in alt right spaces (especially with "pretending to be dd*g but the girl is actually a minor" tacked on) needs to be talked about BADLY but i haven't seen it done yet
Well, I’ve been telling people about stuff like this for a very long time. The youth pastor grooming a kid to be is 18 year old bride is my favorite to use, frequent to find in the news, example of how pervasive what Vaush calls the “pedocon theory” is and why it’s more than a hypothesis.
@@merrytunes8697Kink where one partner plays a caretaker and the other plays as the one being taken care of. It's a form of age regression but with sexual elements mixed in.
I'm so glad I watched this instead of drooling over another tradwife video, exhausted from work as a single mom of 2. You're absolutely right that I just want to be able to slow down and be secure, and not be subservient to a man, and surrounded by ideology that I actually hate. Great, great video.
Honestly it's so concerning how we (as in the general public) have been romanticizing the tradwife/SAHM lifestyle. Obviously you should have the freedom to choose what you want to do in life, but I feel like we've done a 180 from that general stance into completely glossing over the flaws (for lack of a better term) of being a stay-at-home partner. Lately I've been seeing so much content completely ignoring those aspects and romanticizing total submission to your partners' whims. (And god forbid this happens but what if you have to leave the relationship one day, for whatever reason? Unfortunately we still live in a capitalist society, you should be able to have some sort of safety net/financial security to fall back on even if you don't have a career) Maybe it's because I'm Indian and I've seen the effect being a stay-at-home wife can do to several women in my family, but I am always a bit...skeptical of these posts and people who push the trad wife rhetoric without acknowledging the mental/physical/financial harm it can put someone in
@@halfmoon106 Focusing on only the positive part of a stance will mostly backfire. You need to find a balance, a middle ground where you’re comfortable with both the positive and at least a little of the negative.
Right? I'm the eldest daughter of a Black family raised in a fundie evangelical community: I couldnt leave the housekeeping and child rearing drudgery behind me fast enough. Keeping a house clean for sexist dudes isnt "romantic" or "aesthetically pleasing", it's hard and depressing af. I do love doing chores now and find fun and joy in baking, keeping my home clean, etc. but it only works bec. I dont have to clean mess made by someone else. Laziness and selfishness in a partner will never appeal to me, I have been scarred for life!
I’m a 25 yo African American (dad from Congo, mom from America who is black) and this video made me realize my mom is a outright tradewife. She refuses to work, she’s anti vax, she believes in building a wall, she doesn’t believe in government help or taxes, she’s blames women for being abused or r*ped bc of how they dress, she didn’t like Obama for many reasons but she never expressed her disdain for any other political leader, she homeschooled all 8 of my siblings and says she’s Christian but she now doesn’t believe she’s married to my dad and lives as a single women after 27 years of married… which is completely against the Bible. I’m scared af now
As I'm sure you are aware, there's a lot of conservativism in the Black community, especially African and Caribbean people. What might be somewhat surprising is how many non-white people are cozy with White Nationalists. WN circles and Hotep circles in particular overlap online. Conflict is usually more in the vein of friendly rivalry or the same ideology from two perspectives. So from Hoteps to the Black Manosphere to Black Republicans to those who are rather anti-Black in spite of their own skin color, it's complicated.
People if African descent who lean right politically don't care about white supremacy. They only care about their position in it. By adopting ws ideology of classism, misogyny, etc., they feel they are siding with the winning team. And, since they are on the winning team in their minds they will be above all those who are not, in spite of the inconvenient fact that they are the wrong color.
All the way in Africa 🙋🏾♀️... I saw this trend and immediately saw the white supremacist code due to that harking for a long gone past, that would definitely not work for Black People who have always been forced to work. Trad wife means something different in different communities in Africa. In Africa, women worked to produce food and trade. But there are clear cut roles.
in the first seven minutes of this video re-framed the last 5 years of my life I was in high school when all those events happened. I grew up in a rural town in Maryland with not many people who gave a shit about me. I was black fat and mentally ill with maybe two friends. I don't think I have given past me the benefit of the doubt that I was scared I was going to be hate crimes cause of my skin. Idk those years were so hard on me I stopped being able to go outside. Thank you for reminding me to give my past self grace cause I was only a kid.
Shan you bodied this frfr. No crumbs left- like WOW. The work is so deeply appreciated Sis. With love gratitude and solidarity. 43 yo femme presenting queer neaurodivergent , working class, Black abolitionist feminist womanist, radical left liberationist internationalist ( to name a few of my identities) Thank you Shan. The future is in good hands- thank you to all the younger generations engaging with this type of work. You are so valued and appreciated.
FYI: white women play so much field hockey. They eat that shit up. Saying this as a white girl who was so gay growing up that she only wanted to play goalie.
have you read nikky finney's poem, "miss polly is akimbo underneath the mother emanuel collection table"? i love nikky finney, she's an incredible poet and absolutely inspiring. i got to meet her about a month ago, she was at a poetry thing near me and i got to shake her hand and hear her read a poem. the poetry she's written about real people is simply beautiful, she humanizes people who have been turned into figureheads, focuses on them as individuals, i've never read a poem of hers without sobbing.
Heyyy! i just got into your channel and lemme tell y'all, you are by far one of the most insightful, intelligent, and articulate youtubers on this platform. keep doing what you do!
Every time I see a Trad Wife/RightWing Woman whining about feminism or enforcing a Trad Wife lifestyle, I remember that one scene in Vice (2018) where Amy Adams (Lynne Cheney) was leading antifeminism marches. I already know that Candace Owens clip is of her raging because Taylor Swift is 34, unmarried and is holding hands with her friend. She's so unserious. The Triad Wife Influencers/Right Wing Women making content when they aren't doing it themselves. They make money off of telling other women not to make money. Every tiktok video, every fox news interview, every GRWM clip.
Taylor Swift is a billionaire all on her lonesome and Candace will never see that amount of success or admiration and she married a Lord...from England. She's getting desperate. The image if being a wife is more important to conservative fems even if it loses them money.
Very much reminds me of Phyllis Schaffley (spelling?) Founder of the John Birch Society, big influence on Ronald Reagan and inspiration for Serena Joy in The Handmaid's Tale. When Serena Joy is asked why she doesn't practice what she preaches about women staying home and being godly and subservient, she says she desperately wants to but must keep fighting, to free other women from the horror of equal rights and the expectations of having jobs outside the home that comes with those rights. Offred muses: How furious she must be, now that she's been taken at her word.
one thing i have had to come to terms with is that so many white women also have their husbands' bigoted views. like............. she wants to be with that man, he is a reflection of her.
Most ww only care about themselves. The sooner bw understand this, the better. They only tether themselves to us for numbers to compete with wm or so that they can exploit our issues to emotionally manipulate and brow beat their men into giving them what they want
Okay but as a white, female hockey player, that call out made me laugh 😂 On or a more serious note, I loved this video. The trad wives are hugely recommended on my instagram and this history is so important to be aware of.
It’s clear how much effort you put into each and every video. Your passion for each topic really comes out during these videos. The way you use your clothes to supplement the story is so fun. Your video made me realize that I never really thought about the women of the kkk.
The homemaker community is a loving place. I'm in a large homemaker group on Facebook and absolutely no hate speech, politics, etc. are allowed. (Religion is only allowed in the form of holiday decorations, holiday recipes, etc. I'm a Wiccan and other Pagan homemakers have liked my holiday recipe posts.) Tradwives aren't allowed to spread their venom in our community. ✌️
@@halfmoon106 If they weren't coming at the concept of homemaking from a specific political perspective, then they would use the term housewives. They had to invent their own term to distinguish themselves as separate from housewives and mommy bloggers.
I'll have to find that group ❤ I agree not all homemakers are what she's referring to I'm sure. I'm certainly not I don't dress like that I make bread, knit crochet etc we are Christian so I suppose I check of those boxes
My jaw dropped when you came on the screen in sky blue and pearls. You look amazing, just breathtaking! It's the cheery on top of the sundae that is this video!
honestly, it's very sad that this has got to be argued at all. i think people should be wayy more ashamed of defending or being associated with racists. it's very disheartening to see people trying to debate this at all.
@@Eet_Mia I’m so sorry to hear about that. Hope you’re doing better now. I’m not going to act like I know what you’re going through but I would like to give you some strength through advice. Please don’t blame yourself for their lacking. As someone who has experience with being emotionally neglected, we tend to come to a false conclusion that our guardians’ lacking is ours. Remember that all children deserve parents but not all people deserve to be parents. I’m glad you cut them off and are doing well enough on your own. I know it’s hard, but never go back to drinking poison to quench your thirst. Stay strong.
@@Eet_Mia I cut my mother off and she is the same race as me (Black). Abuse can come in any form from any person. My mother was a very abusive person. My mother was the conservative, Christian, tradwife type until suddenly her husband said he wouldn't stay with her UNLESS she got a job. Now, she's scrambling around trying to find one.
This is why I love your videos so much, you address topics eloquently but at the same time easily digestible. You add nuances to the topics and not only see it as black or white.
I’ve had this idea for a while that in the last few years there has been a tendency of some people, usually way too online, who try to turn kink into ideology. How could something like “biblical submission” be anything else? Reminds of a quote I can’t find that said fascism is aesthetics raised to the level of politics
It's crazy how much of tradwife content is kink when you get into the less regulated parts of social media (there's some crazy shit on tumblr especially).
On tumblr?! Idk why but I’m shocked I’d think it to be older people and on Reddit or Facebook or something. Also I thought tumblr stomped all that stuff out years ago.
We're not just talking about SAHMs though but tradwives specifically, and traditional husbands believe in providing for and protecting their wives. But you're definitely right to bring up financial planning. No matter what you choose on this particular topic, you should make sure you have a good savings as soon as possible.
Do you plan on talking about the religious aspects of tradwives? Their antisemitic, anti-LGBT interpretation of biblical text definitely plays a role in their beliefs. I was raised conservative evangelical (now I’m a queer agnostic, oops!) and I am super interested in that intersection with the alt-right
There’s this really good book called “Jesus and John Wayne,” (my dad recommended it to me) about how Evangelical Christians twisted Jesus into becoming an exaggerated version of white supremacist Western toxic macho-masculinity. Another article, although not about the religious intersection, is called “the crunchy to alt-right pipeline,” which is just really interesting overall :]
I don’t get how so many christians can be anti semitic while all the fprefather of Christ (Abraham, Moses, Kind David) where jews. Heck, the apostoles and Jesus himself were all jews and raised as such. I don’t get it bruh
@@Pollicina_db it stems for the hostility and wars jews and prostestants and catholics have saying one si more right then the other and fighting over that and creating justifications throught their corrupt religion that its okay to colonize and enslave people lol
I like how you describe the trad-wives role as "secretarial" at 26:26 because it legitimizes the hidden work of these supportive positions that is as, if not more, important to any initiative, whether it be political, corporate, etc. When someone argues that the female role in the alt-right movement isn't important, it is anti-feminist in a sense, and I really appreciate that you recognized that. Many, myself included until recently, don't realize that by denying their importance they are helping advance the movements goals-- the devaluation of women. Great video and I am glad TH-cam recommended this to me :)
Way back when I was but a dumbass teenager, I got sucked in by the tradwife aesthetic. I had already been into cottagecore and baking on tumblr at the time, and had a very sexist and toxic family, so the algo pushed me towards that. I ended up then getting sucked into the anti sjw rabbit hole, and it wasn’t until I was watching Sargon defend race realists that I started having doubts. Once I became an adult and entered the workforce, I realized that that it was all fucking bullshit and I had idiotically wandered into this disgusting worldview (i “woke” up lmao). This kind of content is so fucking insidious, it took things im genuinely interested in, and combined w my background (white, poor, American) sucked me into the extreme right, when I was like 13-14. It’s disturbing, and the social media companies really need to take that into account when tweaking their algorithms, because what if I hadn’t gone straight from hs to a profession dominated by women? I probably would’ve ended up married at 19 to some violent racist and had 3 kids by the time I was 25. Gross.
really glad you managed to pull away from those spaces/ideologies. it's super difficult, they're designed to frighten you and pull you in. really good job 🎉
Shanspeare, thank you for once again connecting puzzle pieces through time and helping others see the patterns too. Your vast intellect and hard work make my life better. Truly. Thank you ❤
Thank you so much for addressing the intersectionality of these hate groups. I think we’ve been, for way too long ignoring or not paying nearly enough attention to the role ww play in this entire thing. I say this as a ww. It’s so important to understand that intersection of misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, and so on.
Wow, I am so glad your channel was recommended to me. This is a powerful discussion and I thank you for the time you took to create this video. It is such a blessing to have someone finally speak truthfully about these women and the damage they do in our society.
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Rich white women in the early 1900s were the ones that had time to march around and protest and get your wine-shilling butt the right to vote! Don't forget that.
What was that nonsense about white women having" a higher chance of being hatecrimed by Jeffree Star" ? Does a crime not labelled a hate crime not count? Where TF did you get those statistics?
can you please tell us the name of the wine.. it looked like a rosé. I'm very curious about this wine.
Seriously, in this inflationary economy you need to be buying bulk rice, beans and oatmeal, canned meat and vegetables not some stupid booze. You don't need to be a traditional homemaker to know that!
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The funniest part is that they are not even jobless. They are full time content creators who earn loads of money telling other women why they should leave the money making to their husbands. And did we notice the how they use their sexuality in these videos. I have no doubt that they have a huge male audience. Not very conservative or traditional of them.
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Omg you’re so right. It’s basically sanctioned yt political porn propaganda for men 😅
You hit on the head! It’s funny to me when I see tradwives flaunting their stuff on their accounts and of course theirs so many men in the comments praising her. Like you said it’s rather funny after all shouldn’t the husband be the one making the money? Not every ladylike if you ask me
@@aubreejobizzarro1208yooo fr 😂
I idolised my mother who would've fit into this tradwife fad, wanted to be just like her. But I realised that it burnt her out entirely. She also wanted to pursue a career but couldn't with 5 kids and a husband who all relied on her.
I have nothing wrong with women who want to be stay at home mothers, but those who carefully curate content to make it look effortless and without cons are obviously lying to you to sell a fantasy.
I mean, that's just a good rule of thumb for everything in social media, isn't it? Like, you don't get clicks or sponsorships by showing how chaotic life can be, especially with multiple young children in the picture. You have to sell the fantasy to people who don't know why better, because everyone who does would immediately know exactly how full of shit you are.
You act like that isn't an influencers job. Every single one.
@@noname-gh1vrpeople want authenticity
@@noname-gh1vr I mean, I don't like influencers but at least most of them aren't claiming that women shouldn't have rights because the "trad life" is that great.
@chansfeet2500 that wasn't even the point of what was being said. Op said "but those who carefully curate content to make it look effortless and without cons are trying to sell you a fantasy." That is an influencers job. These people aren't trying to take away women's rights by being a sahm/sahw. If your position is threatened by a bunch of women making pies then it isn't that strong to begin with.
My mom is a wannabe trad wife. She fully believes men deserve to be in charge of everything and should have final say. Thing is, in all her relationships she ends up miserable with mean man-child partners who at best are lazy and entitled, and at worse are abusive to her. And every single time she finally has enough and leaves them, and then STILL doesn't see the fault in her way of seeing things and the type of men she's picking. It makes me so sad. And of course she thinks I'm the miserable one because I have zero desire for romance and sex, and don't ever want to get married or even date. I love living alone and being single, and it blows her mind. She's convinced I'm sad and lonely, when she's the one who is both of those things.
Your Mother, from within her cage: My poor child, you are so trapped.
You: >_>
No offence to your mom, but her projection and denial sounds intensely pathological.
Sounds very much like when religious people calling others "trapped" and affirm that they're "free", when THEY are the ones that forbid themselves from doing/watching actually fun stuff and only have, like, three topics to talk about.
Dang sounds like my sister
Guessing she was raised and still is devoutly religious. Probably Christian.
What's hilarious is that historically housewives have done unbelievable amounts of backbreaking labour. Even just laundry pre-washing machines was a grueling ordeal that took multiple days. This magical relaxed housewife fantasy is just that, a fantasy.
The "American Dream" delusion is only available to those who can afford it
i think its similar to the never ending tiktoks of women saying they wish they were born during the times where they could dance in ballgowns in palaces with their royal husbands but now "bc of bad feminism they have to work" etc. (i dont know if u have seen these tiktoks). they dont realize that back then they wouldnt be in this tax bracket. almost no one was. they would at best probably be maids in the houses of these rich folks getting treated like dirt and working until their backs break with almost no money from before the sun rises to late after the sun goes down. its delusional.
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Omg yes!!! Look the idea is a nice fantasy who hasn’t pondered the idea of marrying into royalty. But as you mentioned it’s all fantasy in reality most of those same woman like you said would be at best maids! Or laundry ladies.
That plus, like, dying during the birth of your 10th kid (after 5 of the others had already died from diseases that are now vaccine preventable)
The magical relaxed housewife was a fantasy created in the 1950s by advertising in order to sell electric home appliances that could do the work faster than the old way of doing it by hand. They had to make it look like you would lead a relaxing life in order to get women and their husbands to buy the merchandise. The reality was that you were still busy 24-7, you just had machines now.
Its bizarre that these people call the idealised version of my grandparents lives (which werent actually like that anyway) "traditional" when the parents of the baby boomers were living in a very historically distinctive time and considered the way they were living as HYPER MODERN. They saw their era as very much NOT TRADITIONAL, they were speeding towards modernity.
The whole idea of a nuclear family with a stay at home wife was a relatively recent invention. That's what makes this sideshow even dumber to me. I knew my great grandmother, who would've been born at the end of the 19th century. She never lived a life that these clowns chase, she neither did anyone she knew.
Exactly. And didn’t hippie culture start because Baby Boomers started rejecting the boxes that their parent’s lifestyles set for them? If even the Boomers didn’t want that life, why should we?
Right? My great aunt played piano at the White House in the Victorian era. There likely have always been what we refer to as "trad wives," but like now, not the majority. Women fought for the right to vote and have their own bank accounts.
Wow this is such a good point
@@GenericUsername1100 True.
39:00 This hit hard. My grandma (rural VA woman married off at 13 to a 30yo man), used to clean houses and be a live-in housekeeper (in her childhood) and found the KKK outfit hidden in a closet of the lawyer she worked for. She told me this story in her 80s and still whispered like she was wary about said she flew out of that house and ran all the way back home. I was so confused because I thought being "white" protected her, but it's not true.
13?! 😢 Jesus Christ...
Your grandmother is a victim, I am so sorry.
That is scary as F
Being white didn’t necessarily protect you. ANYONE who dared challenge the status quo back then would get a visit from someone later, maybe a warning first. Might escalate to cross-burning on your lawn, but they were going to silence anyone who spoke out, no matter their color. Being White wasn’t protection.
What do you mean you thought being white would protect her? Everyone was scared of the Klan. They were scary people who did horrifying things to anyone who got in their way, regardless of race.
The book "They Were Her Property" by Stephanie Jones-Rogers is a beginner friendly, yet very in depth look at the role of white women as slave owners before and during the Civil War. Would highly recommend to anyone looking to learn more about white women's role in white supremacy. super light reading! /s
That’s a great recommendation. It’s an eye-opening read.
White supremacy isn't real. It's about class, not race.
@ville__ Everyone plz block this person, theyve commented on a bunch of different channels with this exact thing, its a troll if not a bot
just placed a hold in my library. thx for the rec
@ville__The bot’s gone wild again, huh?
trad wives are so funny bc they’re like “let women go back to tending the home like they used to instead of working🥺💔” like women haven’t been in the workforce since forever. it’s only now that economic instability has gotten so bad it’s touching upper middle class white suburbia they’re like “what happened to living off of one income alone💔💔”
That's been a conversation forever, people just chose to ignore it.
Also domestic labor IS work! Unpaid, undervalued, work!
@@athenapromachos3027 It's a bot. It posts the same thing under multiple channels, so you can ignore it.
@@RevShifty ah thanks, sorry, I'm a bit tech blind lol
@@athenapromachos3027 Oh, no worries. I just didn't want to see you wasting your time. We don't get much, and there are usually better ways to spend it than talking to software making wild posts.
As eomeone who was was homeschooled on a farm: don't fucking do it ladies. Your work will NEVER end.
I can't hear you over the image of a bunch of giant bunnies, chickens, ducks, and a big garden. Lol I'm not trying to have whole cows and tractors...just an acre of land surrounded by woods, with a 30 minute drive in any direction to a town. I think that's probably a more realistic balance.
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I went to the African American museum in DC. In one floor discusing slavery, one thing that struck me interesting (and very disturbing) was the whips on the display that were specifically made for white women to use.
The WHIPS were freaking gendered. Like that wasnt going to cause the same amount of damage onto enslaved bodies.
Tf 😮I was supposed to go but they were out of tickets so we went to the other Smithsonian museum 😒 I'm glad I didn't go now I would've been pissed
How the fuck do you gender WHIPS???? 😭😭
GLORY TO PURE WHITES 👱♂️
@@MelanatedHomesteadher🐵🦍🦧
The amount of harm they could still cause was exactly why the were gendered. Presumably the men's whip would have been too hard to manage and use while still causing damage. So they made them one they could handle easier. In order to be able to be effient in it's task. Sickening.
Funny thing about all those tradwive influencers on TH-cam is that the successful ones have pretty much all tripled down on their content creation since getting married and having their first child. You'd think they wouldn't have as much free time now that they have a husband and child to care for, but the more their channels grow the more content they push out... almost like they were prioritizing their TH-cam careers over their tradwife lives!! 😆
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That's right. And as we all know, it's shameful for a woman to prioritise her own selfish ambitions over her home, her children, and most importantly, her husband. These ladies should stop wasting time on their silly little ventures and allow themselves to submit to their feminine roles. Their husbands will provide for them.
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@@Candyrock15 💯
I recall a pastor telling MTG to shut up and go barefoot rather than go to Congress and talk for her uggasituents (I refuse to believe actual people vote for her) because despite her being on his side she was still a loud woman. It's too much for the pastor apparently 😂
Or it's because they don't work. Making videos isn't a job.
I’m a traditional stay at home wife. This is my choice, it makes me happy, I enjoy cleaning it’s a stress reliever for me. That being said my husband still helps with his own house work. He takes care of the lawn, garbage, cat litter, recycling and anything I specifically ask for help with. He is an attentive father to our baby, and a kind, sweet man to me. Here is the real thing though, NO ONE should be forced into this role. It’s not for everyone, it’s stressful and it’s a lot. Every woman should make that decision for herself.
"Trad-wives" go beyond this.
As a man, I concur with that statement.
That video wasen't a critique about choosing to be a SAHM (I am too), it was about white supremacist having a very functional tradwife pipeline and it gets lverlooked how much a hand woman do have in racist and supremecist groups and how it CAN intersect with femenisem.
@@More13Feen I disagree with that, the mother being home with the children and taking care of the home is something that’s been in all human cultures for the most part. Hence the name “traditional” being in the name. These girls are really just cosplaying the pretty parts, it’s not even real. It’s a TikTok trend. Real life traditional sahm’s lives are nothing like that.
I don’t know why so many people keep saying this. Who the hell is forcing you to stay at home? Even that tik tok trad wife mentioned in one of her recent videos that her videos are only meant for women who are interested in being a trad wife. And that everyone is free to follow their own path in life. If being a trad wife isn’t for you then obviously those videos aren’t for you.
Trad wives have always been very Daughters of the Confederacy to me. I'd suppose there are a lot of overlap in those groups.
This!
Absolutely. That is the exact vibe they give. They seem like they really want to biasly rewrite textbooks.
@ville__☝️🤓
@ ville__ you and/or someone(s) with names really close to yours spam most of the YT videos I watch. That bot level of spamming makes me worry for you.
@@XCaptianXChaosX yeah this person's been at it for 3 years across several channels, mainly targeting queer/trans creators
They used to derail comments with huge arguments but now whoever I see them it's just spam copy-paste stuff
@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun Yea. I just always wondered if it was just one troll or a whole group of spammers. If that is one person, I am severaly worried. The dude needs to go and feel the grass beneath his feet.
Funny how these influencers talk about how they love to homeschool their children, when there are a growing number of reports of how these kids are victims of abuse.
I doubt these ladies take the time
Yep! As a former homeschooled kid who experienced abuse at the hands of my over worked and stressed out mother, I can absolutely attest to how vulnerable children are in these types of situations. You have no resources and no outside adult voices to advocate for you, no safe spaces, it’s just a generally scary ass time. To every kid who’s being homeschooled by unhealthy parents: you’ll make it.
Was homeschooled and can confirm. I know countless others who were abused by their parents also. Other adults just enabled them or were fooled by their public façade.
Personally I want to homeschool my kids at an early age because I can't trust the awful education system and fear other kids hurting them
That's a feature for them. They "submit" to total dominion by their husband, and in turn they feel entitled to total dominion over their children. For people like that, the goal isn't to be liberated themselves, it's to have dominion over someone else.
Your early points about the WKKK remind me of probably one of the most chilling realizations of my life. In my work, I've handled robes from the KKK. They were a man's robes obviously, but his name was hand-stitched inside them. We can pretty safely assume he didn't do that himself. A woman in his life did that. When we talk about the contributions of women in the labor force, we have to consider invisible labor, and I think that was the moment I understood on a visceral level just how integral women are to bolstering white supremacy and other systems of oppression.
The Church shooting hit me in a way nothing else really has. I'm a white atheist that grew up in a Baptist Church. I will always have a little love for churches, the community, the love, the sense of safety. I can only imagine those things are even more important in a black church, some of the only safe places for many black people throughout our history. I cannot fathom how horrifying this was for black Americans. I'm so sorry that this kind of hate crime is still a real threat.
thank you for acknowledging this. I am a black agnostic, but spirtual woman and while I rejected the church I still have fond memories of my time in church and many of my family's most important functions/gatherings/events happen IN church. The reason the black community has clung to the church for so long is because it has historically been one of the few safe spaces for us to gather. Largely considered somewhat respectable enough to be off limits. It's so much more than a place of worship. It's a social club, a think tank, and a base of action. So for such a sacred space to be violated like that, is psychologically damaging and incredibly disheartening
If that kid would have had a girlfriend he would not have committed his acts.
@@martiendejong8857 If he hasn't been such an objectively awful and delusional gremlin, he might've found one at some point.
@@martiendejong8857classic blaming women for men's atrocious behavior instead of holding men accountable like the grown ass adults they are
@@martiendejong8857The fact that he didn’t have a girlfriend didn’t make him a racist, he himself did that by what he was consuming online.
“To be kissed on the forehead by a handsome, unvaxxed conspiracy theorist.”
Kill me.
Physically flinched. I can think of few things more unappealing.
That's some fucked up shit, and I know a lot of kinks
Don't forget caring about politics only when it's trendy.
I physically recoiled
As someone who simps for a trawler lantern, i wouldn't mind.
at the ripe age of 16 my bf at the time was trying to push me into being a tradwife + he was racist but the gag is.. he himself was a minority 😐
Colonialism and its consequences
Wow 😳
Not surprising.
Lemme guess… Mexican?
So you have no clue what racism means. Coo
google prejudice there kid. @miaomiaochan
2017 was such a fever dream, so many people were openly expressing their nazi views and then the charlottesville unite the right rally happened as a cherry on top. insane times to be growing up, i was just starting my freshman year of highschool with so many openly weird people
It was a wild time. I was going through an anti-feminist/anti-SJW phase in my freshman year of college, and the Unite the Right rally is what pulled me out of it. Since then, I've made a concerted effort to unlearn and unpack the internalized misogyny that I allowed myself to build up inside.
Modern women should embrace feminism…but also women shouldn’t close her eyes on world issues
We women give birth to civilization we must take part and be apart in a lot of political actions and leanings
Now with that being said ….
Women couldn’t have property, have an account, have an actual job without discrimination, have maternity leave …..because it wasn’t until the rise of feminism in 60’s and 70’s and no ur grandmother wasn’t happy back then
The rights you enjoy now as a women …women begged for !!!
Voting
Owning property
Working
Access to higher learning
Access to better job , conditions and rights ….
All were gotten by ur grandmother
My city had a stabbing in 2017 because a white supremacist was terrorizing two women of color. A skinhead of all people was the only victim to survive.
same omg 😭 i was turning 15 in 2017 and i remember when trump got elected, everyone at my very christian lutheran middle school was cheering, but me and my family were crying
@@Shineynsparkles facts
"...black man has the chance to be a war criminal..." line made me laugh. Then a little bit sad. Well done.
My SIL is rapidly going down this pipeline and it frightens me. My brother has narcissistic tendencies and a submissive wife is the last thing he needs. I fear for my nephew's wellbeing.
Someone living differently than you is not a reason to be all dramatic. Reality check; be concerned if that kids isn't being fed, clothed, sheltered, or protected. As long as the kid is healthy and safe worry about yourself. Don't get all tripped out over a youtubers opinion, none of the things she said are facts, just her own observation, but who is she really to make you judge your family behind something she says. Stop worshipping and hanging onto people on social media, they don't know you, and have no more knowledge than you do...
@KinaBoo20 imagine telling someone they don't know their own family. Also egotistical men and submissive women are not a good pairing especially when they're parents
@@KinaBoo20 These sure are words.
@@KinaBoo20think she knows when to start worrying about her sister better than you bro
@cheems408 bro? Yeah talk to me when you're an adult, thanks.
Not to downplay the seriousness, but one thing this taught me is that if conservatives were more honest about their sexual kinks, we'd have less of them 😂
in all reality, so much of the radicalism of some of these people stems from being shamed for anything they enjoy, and it’s only worse if sexual desire is involved. they don’t get to enjoy anything, so no one else gets to either
Why don't you get back in the kitchOH GOD YES MOMMY DOMME ME
@@fihof7266 This is a good point... Tie that in with some of the twisted religious beliefs/ideas about what is & isn't a 'sin' (particularly around sex) causing massive guilt & all sorts of relationship hang-ups. They end up hating themselves & the resentment spreads through the family unit like poison.
I would agree, but I'm afraid the situation is sadder than that.
IF these alt-right yahoos lost their fear and demonization of sex, and say, joined their local BDSM venue, they'd *still* wind up harming people.
Because kink requires consent. Navigating kink requires a TON of communication, and negotiation. It requires respect... at LEAST in the beginning.
You have to see the other person as a human being.
But they see women as property, not as fellow humans, and so they would be incapable of navigating a kink relationship without completely ignoring their wife's well-being, wants, and needs.... and I can't even IMAGINE one of them administering effective, psychologically-sound aftercare!
Acting like this is a kink thing is extremely reductive
I am a Cis Hetero Asian man, I like watching these video essays to learn about topics outside of my usual sphere. this was an interesting video. good job 👍🏻
Cis? You mean a real man
cringe
@@yuzzi9190cringe culture is dead. Just live your life
I can’t help thinking that this whole obsession with Submission is just then not admitting they are into kink and doing it in the worst way possible.
Honestly, I get those vibes too. They’re probably subs who are too ashamed to get into bdsm.
No, it's literally word for word stated in the bible.
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Or maybe its the result of religious grooming telling them that being submissive to a man will keep them safe and protected from the outside world...Not everything is about sex...
i think its the extreme victim hoood woo is me mentality that drives them to be like that tbh
I find it so ironic when some tradwives take on 50s vintage style as part of their aesthetic. They don't appear to realise (or wilfully ignore) that the modern vintage community, while not perfect by any means, is a proactive inclusive space filled with people of all races, gender identities and sexualities. In a way, it's a subculture which is the direct opposite of the conservative tradwife mindset. The hashtag #vintagestylenotvintagevalues exists for a reason. Thanks for this great video Shakespeare 💕
They have their space and you have yours.
As a member of the modern vintage community, *yes* preach the choir!
Yeah, the degenerates also stole the rainbow, a symbol of a divine covenant. We’re taking these things back again.
By essence, vintage is « trad ». It’s your spin on it but vintage clothing is still heavily associated with vintage values by default
If you want to dress up as Eugene Debs or Lenin, wouldn't you wear "Vintage" clothing too? Does that make Lenin a Trad Chad by default? 😄
This reminds me of the time I was presenting in a grad school class and to remind a whie woman that they were allowed to own property in the form of slaves. She started to make teary eyed excuses, I continued my presentation while other white women were comforing her.
Good 😂😂😂
What on earth were her excuses? You should’ve pointed the white woman tears out as part of the presentation
@@tonystonem9614 I wanted to but I wanted to stay in school nd graduate.
Why was she even apologetic? This is so weird like why do white leftists embrace the original sin theory more than anyone else.
good.,Opressors shoudl be remionded on their hsitory .Its like in chatroom i was on when turk went on white europeans exploit brown people.yes, they do but not all of them like my dpople -white serbian nation who were slaves with littler rights of "brown" turks for 400 years durign whcih they stole our kids to raise as salve soldiers, raped our women and terroised anyone who didnt bow down to them.
heck today we are at toods with first world "white" military alince called nato in whcih turks are also members but we are one whcih fouht them
I am a SAHM, homeschool my child(ren), love to bake bread, Christian, pro vax, pro gay, pro choice, feminist who hopes to one day live on a farm and grow all our own (vegan) food. I have such a fear of being lumped into the tradwife group in peoples minds. But hopefully my tattoos & piercings balance out the long skirts and dresses that I wear for comfort. 😵💫
As always, love the content & love the approach you take to these hard topics.
Progressive Christians (or progressive religious people in general) are some of the coolest people ever, keep doing what you’re doing :D A lot of older labor movements had heavy Catholic involvement.
@@RenaissanceRockerBoy Thank you! I’d love to look into the history of labor movements & the Catholic Church very interesting while maybe playing some Pete Seeger lol.
@ediblelipscrubs9466 That is such a compliment 🥹🫶🏼
I wish the media showed more people like you instead of forcing unrealistic lifestyles and hatred
If you end up owning your own farm, then send some free veggies my way lol
Babe wake up Shanspeare has posted
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i've never been so up before
(btw i love your name. rats rock. especially gay ones.)
Literally me and my boyfriend
This pfp is sending me 💀
I'm a nurse and that elderly woman at the start with the 911 phone call telling the police people had been shot broke me today. The sheer numbness and grief in her voice and you could hear it wasn't her first brush with it. I'm from upstate South Carolina. My heart broke for people when it happened. And it still breaks.
Tradwives are basically actors, their husband and children (if any) are their props.
100%. I would bet there is a LOT of narcissism in this group.
It's a giant curated ad. Who the hell knows, what happens, when the cameras are turned off. The examples provided by Ruby Franke, the Duggar and Sister Wives' families are not encouraging.
Wrong
@@thomasvacsi6732 No I'm right, there's nothing authentic about tiktok.
Wow,
I am a stay at home wife and if anyone is looking for a welcoming community of SAHs, there is the Reddit community r/homemaking. A little while ago, there was a discussion on the "Trad Wife" community and how many of us who don't fit into the rigid Trad Wife construct (be it the person is LGBTQ+, a person of color, or male) have found comfort and acceptance in r/homemaking.
This is actually very cool! Thank you for sharing!
@@Rey-it3sg I'm glad this helps you. r/homemaking is a great community. Hope to see you there.
That's really cool! I'm glad there's groups like that nowadays. I wish my mother had something like that while I was growing up, because she's openly talked about how isolated she felt staying at home.
I’m definitely going to check this out
bleh, reddit is toxic
Holding hands is so normal…i deadass held hands with my friends if we walking through a crowd or crossing the street 😭
here in America - we have become so phobic about affection, especially same sex affection. Women friends used to walk around together holding hands all the time - so did men! Friends would greet each other with kisses.
Just say the magic word. No homo. Everything works 😏😂
@@nonenone5413French /Creole speaking ppl still do it
Staying means nothing if leaving isn't an option. It definitely sounds like some early tradwives were victims themselves, stuck between hurting others or hurt themselves
My cute, almost college graduated, black ass almost thought I wanted to be a tradwife. I just want to demolish the current system. Queen Shan strikes again
I'm a college-educated Black woman and I never wanted to be a housewife. I just feel like it's just so boring and prison-like lol
I felt like that in college and sometimes now when I am overwhelmed with work or just don't want to go into the office 😂 I get over it pretty quickly though lmao.
Me grooming and building myself up to be as submissive, obedient and feminine for my husband at age 12: 🥰🥰😍
@@DoobeeKindno you’re so right tho, that baby alive doll had damaging affects on me
It's almost like, "Choose your warden! Your soul crushing 9-5 or your insecure and hypermasculine husband with daddy issues!"
I've noticed in discussions of the alt-right and child rearing there's a sort of implied assumption that only the alt-right homeschool their kids and that homeschooling is always bad.
I just wanted to come out of the woodwork to say that i am a leftist who was homeschooled by leftists explicitly because my mom, who is a person of color, did not want me exposed to the extreme racism present in the US school system, especially in how history is taught. I went to public high school and am now in college, and while i certainly have issues with certain aspects of homeschooling, and recognize that it is only an option available to the middle and upper classes, its not Always Bad or Always Worse than public or private institutionalized schooling. And it's certainly not just done by the alt-right.
Also my mother is a very well educated woman who CHOSE homemaking because it is what she really wanted to do.
I have a friend who is lower class who homeschooled her five kids. Just wanted to say.
I spent some time as a stay at home gf bc me and my partner were trying to see if that worked for us, and I literally became insane. I think that theres a lot of negatives about the lifestyle that is ignored completely by all STHM influencers because it doesn't fit the image they are trying to sell. Maybe I wasn't cut out to be a stay at home partner, but I refuse to believe that at least half of these women do not have severe cabin fever.
some people genuinely love it. i dated a homemaker and my sister is one, as well as my metamour. they all had to basically go thru a self acceptance process to get there, no one pipelined them (they're a white woman, a black/PR woman, and a black/white mixed trans man).
Not sure if stayed at home with a kid but I does help having something to do throughout the day. I am a SAHM but could never imagine being home without kids I would just return back to work I’d go insane
It also helps if you have a support system and other friends who are also SAHM
My husband and I tried it prior to marriage when we moved across the country, and I absolutely loved it BUT he hated it. Just to be able to afford the bare minimum basics, he was working 14+ hour days 6 days a week and even on his one day off he'd often do various side jobs to bring in extra money or food or I'd do side jobs to bring in whatever was lacking.
After a few months we talked about it all and he brought up how he hated that he had zero time to himself, zero time to relax, and although he loved coming home to a clean house and cooked meals, he couldn't enjoy anything because he was too tired and living off of caffeine and nicotine. It also didn't help that I was constantly excited when he came home so I wanted to smother him with affection, which wasn't always an issue but I understand that after a long ass day some times the last thing you want is someone constantly wanting to talk and touch you.
And none of that even touched that I dropped my living standards MASSIVELY while being a housewife. I went back to work and now here we are over a decade later with a baby and able to keep our heads above water a hell of a lot easier than when I stayed at home.
Being a housewife with kids is waaaay different. Stay at home without kids makes no sense like what are you even doing???
I got mad at the Candace Owens clip again😂 Platonic intimacy is so insanely valuable and beautiful!! Holding hands with my friends is the best feeling!! Snuggling with a guy friend without sexual tension makes my heart happy. She mad cuz she dont got friends, she got people around her and thats it.
Candace Owens is so toxic. Having friends is good actually
Candace Owens is wild. I feel bad for her a smidge that she doesn’t understand the value of platonic intimacy. Maybe if she hugged and held hands with her besties maybe she’d chill out a bit lol.
That clip took me by surprise. In some countries it is common for platonic friends to hold hands. I live in the US, and it makes me a little sad when people here call things weird that are normal in other places.
Please Lord make this end
They really need to open insane asylums back up.
You people are out of your gourds.
I'm generally a grumpy bastard. Not really, but that's how it can seem to people who just look at me or don't know me well. But even as a guy, there's something so disarming and physically (even existentially) relaxing when a cake friend just grabs your hand or wraps her arm around your elbow as you're walking somewhere. By body doesn't generally know what to do when all that official tension leaves, so it's always confusing for a second, but always loved and appreciated every moment after that. Even movie night cuddling without sexual tension can be amazing. My grumpy ass ain't even tense back up for a couple days, just because someone I enjoy that much wrapped herself around me so much there's no place for that tension to hide. Just curled up over a blanket watching a movie with someone I care about can change my mood for a couple of days, easy.
I think it's because I don't generally handle people being in my personal space well. With very few exceptions, most people just have no need to be that physically close to someone. But then you're with someone (in my case a woman, though I've still had wonderful cuddle times with lesbians so there's zero possible sexual tension) can just make the tension away. They both really can be such beautiful things.
The court case Oregon v. Rideout in 1978 was the first in which someone stood trial for raping his spouse while they lived together. By 1993, marital rape was a crime nationwide.
The fact that Shan is under 25 with this level of intellect gives me such hope for the future.
Whenever ⚪ people in the US go off about immigration...
All I can ask: "So when are you going back to Europe?"
I can demand this of them as I'm a *real* American. Reservation carded and everything.
Tbf, rosnya deserves to be segregated from the yanks and the west in general (and that's one thing white americans are right about). Once germany started coddling them, the percentage of homophobic and racist hate crimes skyrocketed.
I fear that if my people will be allowed into the west again, the alt right will IMMEDIATELY feel emboldened enough to practice their bigotry.
😂😂😂 white folks ain't ready for that truth.
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Chicago and New York have begun to fuss about immigration now. Just saying.
@@jice7074exactly, Chicago and NY are having way more vocalization against immigration than any other place in the US
It’s crazy how some women will look at the past when a lot of women were treated like objects, had no rights, and suffered greatly to get said rights be like “I want that life, why can’t we go back?”
It's more ...I saw my grandparents have a healthy traditional relationship...and my parents with my super feminist mom get super stressed and overloaded because all the same chores exist even if both partners are working full-time. I thought they were going to get divorced. I would rather do all the house chores than argue with my partner about it.
@@shareathought769said noone ever
@@n48_art I am saying...so said one person at least
@@shareathought769 ah yes very believable
Congrats on the Hbomberguy shoutout, I've been watching for a few months before that because I've been looking for more black video essayists and you have some of the best editing and research I've seen of a lot of essayists in general. Keep up the great work 😊
I was so gagged and elated when Shan got the shoutout! And it's well deserved, their work is always so thoughtful and well researched. Hope to see their chanel continue to grow significantly.
Wait, which video of his did that happen?
@@DrawciaGleam02 the latest plagiarism one. He shouted out to a lot of other creators, too!
Honestly, I feel like the concept of a “traditional wife” can’t help but carry patriarchal baggage and it’s important to acknowledge that in the way we approach relationships
I honestly don’t get why they have to add the “traditional”, like housewives still exit today 😭
@@mingfei1622 no cause literally… adding “traditional” just sounds like a dogwhistle at this point lol
@@mingfei1622
Exactly.
@ville__ go back to playing fortnite and watching skibidi toilet cz its clear thats fitting for your age bracket
@ville__ trad wives is not synonymous with housewives.
I thought I wanted a "tradwife" life. I kind of have one. I'm happily married, we get by on one income with some inherited wealth, we live in the country. I don't HAVE to work.
And it about put me in a psych ward. Becoming a mother didn't fill me with purpose and joy. I was miserable. It wasn't until I got back into art and started working with it and making it into a career that the misery lifted.
As someone who has been a SAHM, I can never understand someone WANTING that much stress and pressure put on them day in and day out. I’m a working mom now, and I enjoy life SO MUCH MORE. I feel like an actual human being that gets to participate in society instead of just someone’s mom stuck in a tiny box on the endless scope of the internet.
Yup, this. I am still a SAHM not by choice, but by disability, and I would never encourage my daughter to choose this.
Straight up I’m a SAHM and I’m
In my mid thirties , I’ve always worked , while it is nice to spend time with the humans I created , it is by no means an EASIER job, it’s extremely difficult not only that , my husband literally only makes the $ which I am grateful for but I have 3 people to tend to all goddam day my job doesn’t end ! In all ways going to work for 6-9 hours making my own $ is by far much easier than staying home and tending to 3 humans all damn day and night. That being said I am grateful , very Grateful I don’t need to take my kiddos to daycare :) they r a handful , and tiring but they r mine and I’m
Very grateful to stay home with them, as hard as it is .
@@melissamartinez3593 I don’t need to either. Still hated being a SAHM which was the sole purpose to my comment lmao
@@redrumnoir7552 ya. It def isn’t easy … but imagine if they annoy us , how r they not gonna annoy total strangers ? And they won’t have the patience I have with them lol that’s what scares me
@@melissamartinez3593 nobody lacking in patience should be allowed to work with kids, that’s a hill im willing to die on. So I don’t really care how “annoying” a child might be, if you don’t have patience, don’t sign up to work for daycares or schools 🥹
I love your videos. You seem like such a nice and smart person. You remind me of the meme "Girl, you have done it again. Constantly raising the bar for us all." You are awesome! Never stop making these videos.
@ville__ You don't even have content.
@ville__ I reported you.
I will never forget this tragedy. The cops took that monster to Burger King after he slaughtered those innocent black parishioners.😡
I don’t even think there was ever a time in US history when the “ideal American nuclear household” even existed. My grandfather (born in 1940) has 6 sisters and all of them worked their entire lives, and both my grandmothers (born in the 30’s and 40’s) worked their entire lives too
the concept of the whole "women stay in the domestic sphere while men work" was invented either before or during the civil war. before that literally everyone just worked in the fields
Everyone has to work. What kind of work do you mean?
@@OliverNorth9729I mean it ran the gambit two of them have college degrees so one was a judge, and the other one worked in an investment firm, but then there were a couple that became nuns, and so they were teachers at the local Christian school for a long time, one was the manager of a general store (from what I understand it was kind of like a 7/11 or something like that), and she was born in the 20’s so she also worked in the factories building cars when WW2 happened, one of them took over for their father as the head of a construction company, one worked for the department of education for a really long time, and one of them was a nurse at a hospital. But also like isn’t the point of the trad wife trend…that the woman isn’t working in a money earning capacity at all?
I'm a middle-aged suburbanite from the Upper Midwest and I can assure you that that the earner husband/stay-at-home wife was the norm in the midcentury middle class (it included the working class) when I was a child. My parents both worked and had a more progressive division of labor than their slightly older trad family peers, but I will say this: 90% of the wives had a great deal of power over household matters, to the point of having fairly equitable relationships with their breadwinner husbands.
my grandma desperately wanted to work. My POS grandfather wouldn't let her. She got a job as soon as he died.
Oh my goodness, i feel the joy of opening a new book whenever i get to learn from your videos. thankyou so much for sharing, i'm sure this video is going to be amazing
This is such a compliment. Thank you ❤
I have a hunch a lot of this “traditional wife” crap would fall apart as soon as they are requested to do laundry the traditional way-by hand with a tub and a grate, no washer or dryer. Double so when you take away disposable diapers and they have to wash cloth ones-by hand.
By this "logic" shouldn't feminists hand wash clothes and use cloth diapers because washing machines and disposable diapers were both invented by men? In fact, since virtually everything was invented by men, shouldn't feminists be living naked in the woods gathering berries?
Tradwives explicity honor and respect men for creating the comfortable world they now live in, it's bitter feminists that whine about it.
what im most concerned about is the lack of financial planning for the tradwives. like yeah they are in their mid 20s now and their partners think they are hot right now but what about when they are in their mid 40s, 50s? when they have given their everything for their families and now their partner gets bored of them, leaves them or even worse what about abuse? how are they going to get back on their feet? what about retirement? they have done decades of unpaid hard labour for their families with nothing to fall back on. but as soon as you remind them of this very possible problem you either get "my husband would never. i know how to chose a man" or the "your boss can fire you whenever he wants and you will be unemployed as well". Which regards to the first one: do you think these women willingly chose men who turned out to be abusers or leave them with nothing in the end? of course not. everyone thinks this will never happen to me but it does happen. regularly. enough so that our old grandmas and aunts have warned us about it. and to the second: finding employment after being fired with an up to date resume and constant work experience is a lot easier than finding employment after decades of nothing on your resume. its a shame but sadly its the reality that domestic work doesnt count in the workplace as experience unless youre a teacher or work in a daycare. and also if you have worked for decades you were most likely able to save and invest some money for hard times/ the future which trad wives dont have. if anything in their "perfectly planned out life" will go wrong they will be at the mercy of their husbands and the court system. And the husbands know this.
They would probably that that is the reason to have lots of children, so they can take care of their mother in turn. Which pretty much sucks. Who wants to be their parents' insurance policy instead of a beloved family member?
@@ttintagel ah thats an interesting way to look at it. that would truly be a shame if thats what these mothers think. using their (lets be honest) older daughters as caregivers for themselves in the case of their life not working out as planned.
And the court system is what they're counting on. They get to live with the comfort of the rights feminism gave them in court. Because if their husbands do leave them, they get that alimony.
thats still incredibly risky to rely on in my opinion. definitely not sth to base your future on. so much could go wrong @@GenerationNextNextNext
That's exactly my concern, too. A huge factor in escaping domestic abuse is if you are financially Independent. The abuser is counting on their victim being unable to survive without them.
While doing research for a college class I fell down a Stormfront rabbit hole in 2016. Stormfront is an older discord server for people who proudly identified as white supremacists, even though men were the majority of members they did have a “women of Stormfront” tab.
I lurked and while the women weren’t calling for violence as much as the men they were still horribly gross and racist. Most of the posts revolved around talking shit about the women of color who dated white men these ladies had a crush on.
The women also had the most hateful things to say about children. The men didn’t ever mention kids they seemed to forget they existed, but the women spent half their time in the discord insulting biracial children. Shit was horrifying and they’re passing those attitudes onto their kids.
Oh god not fucking stormfront
Stormfront is a bit funny for that, they were pariahs for a long time for being the first to have a women's only section.
Hammerskins, Iron March, the Chans, and even Something Awful which has "far wings" of both sides have ridiculed them as "Stormcucks," pussies, "kowtowing to feminism," " white power knights, " etc for almost a decade now. They've had artwork of their head honcho Don Black in bdsm sissy gear or girly skirts dropped all over the compound irl. Vanguard even sent the dude a gay sex doll of himself with a riding crop.
It's only since the scamdemic the others finally realised "hey, we kinda need women too!"
Ironically those other groups went too far in the other direction and latched onto a "colonialist mindset" where _now they don't mind mixing_ " *so long as you steal at least a 7 from the negroes* " so as to eventually dilute other races into nonexistence. Yeah, it's been a weird decade indeed in WN spaces. It's a coin clip whether a reddit sub about "hot black/Hispanic women" is run by a WN fetishist or actual black person 😅
As a "woman"* who was in that subculture (including a fair amount of time on Stormfront over the years), the women give a softer veneer but can absolutely be vicious. There's usually a division between "tradfems" and "valkyries" but both are dangerous in their own ways.
* I now identify as nonbinary but in those circles I was perceived as a woman, they aren't that big on trans people... (although there's a surprising number of Alt-Right trans people, mostly via 4chan, but they don't like nonbinary people either).
Stormfront was a white supremacist web site and was the very first non-academic or corporate web site, managed entirely by one private citizen, created around 1996. I was a founder at Netscape and I can remember when the entire WWW was about 100 web sites.
Racism, UFOs, conspiracies, and "New Age" type stuff were very popular topics for early web sites as they had essentially no mainstream media coverage. Most media was amateur magazines, or "zines". In the 1990s there were still a significant number (100s) of skinheads running around and they made up most of the white supremacist "movement", such as it was.
Stormfront (the web site) was around a long time, until about 2010, before they finally closed their doors. Unsurprisingly, they faced a lot of pressure from "woke" activists who would threaten hosting providers, doxx operators and participants, death threats against operators and participants, etc. After he had passed on the site to others they tracked down the founder and tried to burn his house down.
The Klan of the 1920s had a women's auxiliary, and an organization called Tri K Girls. The Klan ladies ran an orphanage! called Klan Haven!
I have never clicked on a video essay so fast. I've always felt there's something so insidious about how radical/racist/xenophobic white women get a sort of "free pass" because it's so easy for them to hide behind the way louder and way more violent men. Really excited to absorb this information, thank you for your hard work. ♥
@@Crawlingdreams418 Who are "your people"?
@@Crawlingdreams418 whats is your country
@@halfmoon106 although i recognize that by concealing that, i am just as complicit as the people actively doing it, i'd rather not say.
What are you prattling about?
@@thomasvacsi6732someone’s one of those racist and violent men lmao. you’d never get it. not even if you tried.
"You want a life where you don't have to work until your bones break." Louder for the people in the baaaack!
"liberation is not solved by individualism"
you put it so much better than I ever could omg
First ever Shanspeare video - subscribed after Hbomb's recommendation. Excited to watch, mindful of the dark subject matter. Hi other Hbomb subs!
Omg I’m honored
@Shanspeare I've only watched 15 minutes and I'm already excited to explore your back catalogue!!
welcome to the shanspeare club, glad you’re here!
I’m also here from Hbomb! Hi!
Yet another new inductee of the HBomb to Shan pipeline here!😁
I've seriously thought about moving to the woods and wearing long dresses and making butter and just living the homesteady life. The main thing that's stopping me (besides reality) is these damn tradwives ruining the whole aesthetic.
you can do it! go get it!!!!
If living wasn't so expensive I would become a reclusive forest witch as well.
We can start a commune.
The only thing stopping me is the price tag
@@jadelilly420
Same.
I found you yesterday while recovering from surgery in the hospital. Your voice is so smooth that it helped me fall asleep despite the anxiety. Much love from one enby to another ❤️
this is also so reminiscent of the handmaids tale. the society in the book was able to succeed partially because their wives made their movement accessible and appealing to the public. in the end, though, the wives ended up nearly as repressed as everyone else.
You’re right! The way Serena created her own oppressive situation was wild
The book is essentially a parody.
Instantly going on Instagram to make sure none of the homemaker/stay at home mum’s I follow are tradwives. Thank you so much for educating!!
Taylor Swift: *breathes*
Candace Owens: and I took that personally
"by placing the bars on your own cage you become the most prized ornament" I love that quote so much, I will definitely not be abe to stop thinking about it.
YES, please, and thankyou!
Fantastic work on this increasingly complex topic. So relevant now, and then, and always.
I appreciate the way you speak on this.
❤❤❤❤
Really glad I’ve found you. I haven’t been able to connect why women in my family and community were like this. Advocating for servitude. The abusive power they got from owning slaves must have been extremely intoxicating because I saw how much some of my friend’s mom enjoyed controlling their daughters. I have never thought about what these personality types would behave like in an ownership role. The idea of owning a human being is angering and repulsive to me. It’s a wonderful notion to a true believer Christian tradwife. They crave the same power imbalance in a relation ship that their husbands enjoy with them. Exploiters.
“Liberation is not solved by individualism.” 🙌🏾 Girl, speak the word!
Yes!
That doesn’t mean Jack to blk Americans because they refuse to unite
Sometimes it feels like individualism has totally morphed into every man is an island attitude and it most certainly has fostered a “me and mine forget thee and thine” attitude.
"Comply or you will not be liberated!"
Yes it is
When I was a teenager before I realized im gay I had a boyfriend that tried to get me into this shit. I've considered making a video about it and the tactics used by alt right groomers several times but I never got around to it as it's too intense for me. I think the "older racist pedophile young pretty white girl" relationship that's EVERYWHERE in alt right spaces (especially with "pretending to be dd*g but the girl is actually a minor" tacked on) needs to be talked about BADLY but i haven't seen it done yet
Well, I’ve been telling people about stuff like this for a very long time. The youth pastor grooming a kid to be is 18 year old bride is my favorite to use, frequent to find in the news, example of how pervasive what Vaush calls the “pedocon theory” is and why it’s more than a hypothesis.
Ok I'm invested, plllzzz make a video about this!
What is dd*g?
@@merrytunes8697 I was going to ask the same thing.
@@merrytunes8697Kink where one partner plays a caretaker and the other plays as the one being taken care of. It's a form of age regression but with sexual elements mixed in.
it’s crazy how shan NEVER misses
I'm so glad I watched this instead of drooling over another tradwife video, exhausted from work as a single mom of 2. You're absolutely right that I just want to be able to slow down and be secure, and not be subservient to a man, and surrounded by ideology that I actually hate. Great, great video.
Honestly it's so concerning how we (as in the general public) have been romanticizing the tradwife/SAHM lifestyle. Obviously you should have the freedom to choose what you want to do in life, but I feel like we've done a 180 from that general stance into completely glossing over the flaws (for lack of a better term) of being a stay-at-home partner. Lately I've been seeing so much content completely ignoring those aspects and romanticizing total submission to your partners' whims. (And god forbid this happens but what if you have to leave the relationship one day, for whatever reason? Unfortunately we still live in a capitalist society, you should be able to have some sort of safety net/financial security to fall back on even if you don't have a career)
Maybe it's because I'm Indian and I've seen the effect being a stay-at-home wife can do to several women in my family, but I am always a bit...skeptical of these posts and people who push the trad wife rhetoric without acknowledging the mental/physical/financial harm it can put someone in
++++++++++ absolutely, being Desi definitely made me skeptical of the romanticization of SAH motherhood verrry quickly
Indian here. And absolutely agree. White women have a reality that is just too far removed from everyone else's.
Why focus on the negative?
@@halfmoon106 Focusing on only the positive part of a stance will mostly backfire. You need to find a balance, a middle ground where you’re comfortable with both the positive and at least a little of the negative.
Right? I'm the eldest daughter of a Black family raised in a fundie evangelical community: I couldnt leave the housekeeping and child rearing drudgery behind me fast enough. Keeping a house clean for sexist dudes isnt "romantic" or "aesthetically pleasing", it's hard and depressing af.
I do love doing chores now and find fun and joy in baking, keeping my home clean, etc. but it only works bec. I dont have to clean mess made by someone else. Laziness and selfishness in a partner will never appeal to me, I have been scarred for life!
I’m a 25 yo African American (dad from Congo, mom from America who is black) and this video made me realize my mom is a outright tradewife. She refuses to work, she’s anti vax, she believes in building a wall, she doesn’t believe in government help or taxes, she’s blames women for being abused or r*ped bc of how they dress, she didn’t like Obama for many reasons but she never expressed her disdain for any other political leader, she homeschooled all 8 of my siblings and says she’s Christian but she now doesn’t believe she’s married to my dad and lives as a single women after 27 years of married… which is completely against the Bible. I’m scared af now
As I'm sure you are aware, there's a lot of conservativism in the Black community, especially African and Caribbean people. What might be somewhat surprising is how many non-white people are cozy with White Nationalists.
WN circles and Hotep circles in particular overlap online. Conflict is usually more in the vein of friendly rivalry or the same ideology from two perspectives. So from Hoteps to the Black Manosphere to Black Republicans to those who are rather anti-Black in spite of their own skin color, it's complicated.
is your dad from the DR? Is he Bantu?
People if African descent who lean right politically don't care about white supremacy. They only care about their position in it.
By adopting ws ideology of classism, misogyny, etc., they feel they are siding with the winning team. And, since they are on the winning team in their minds they will be above all those who are not, in spite of the inconvenient fact that they are the wrong color.
All the way in Africa 🙋🏾♀️... I saw this trend and immediately saw the white supremacist code due to that harking for a long gone past, that would definitely not work for Black People who have always been forced to work.
Trad wife means something different in different communities in Africa.
In Africa, women worked to produce food and trade. But there are clear cut roles.
in the first seven minutes of this video re-framed the last 5 years of my life I was in high school when all those events happened. I grew up in a rural town in Maryland with not many people who gave a shit about me. I was black fat and mentally ill with maybe two friends. I don't think I have given past me the benefit of the doubt that I was scared I was going to be hate crimes cause of my skin. Idk those years were so hard on me I stopped being able to go outside. Thank you for reminding me to give my past self grace cause I was only a kid.
You should start a channel.
I love your videos girl!! They are so theatrical and entertaining to watch, yet academic and intellectual. What more can a regular TH-cam viewer want?
Shan you bodied this frfr. No crumbs left- like WOW. The work is so deeply appreciated Sis.
With love gratitude and solidarity.
43 yo femme presenting queer neaurodivergent , working class, Black abolitionist feminist womanist, radical left liberationist internationalist ( to name a few of my identities)
Thank you Shan. The future is in good hands- thank you to all the younger generations engaging with this type of work. You are so valued and appreciated.
FYI: white women play so much field hockey. They eat that shit up. Saying this as a white girl who was so gay growing up that she only wanted to play goalie.
I wish I could play womens sports 😔
@@user-ub7rf3qo4v I'm a trans girl.
Around here it’s gulf 😓. I hate golf
have you read nikky finney's poem, "miss polly is akimbo underneath the mother emanuel collection table"? i love nikky finney, she's an incredible poet and absolutely inspiring. i got to meet her about a month ago, she was at a poetry thing near me and i got to shake her hand and hear her read a poem. the poetry she's written about real people is simply beautiful, she humanizes people who have been turned into figureheads, focuses on them as individuals, i've never read a poem of hers without sobbing.
thank you for this comment. i'd never heard of this poet before but the poem you named took my breath away while i read it.
I just read it, and wow. Incredibly visceral.
Heyyy! i just got into your channel and lemme tell y'all, you are by far one of the most insightful, intelligent, and articulate youtubers on this platform. keep doing what you do!
Every time I see a Trad Wife/RightWing Woman whining about feminism or enforcing a Trad Wife lifestyle, I remember that one scene in Vice (2018) where Amy Adams (Lynne Cheney) was leading antifeminism marches. I already know that Candace Owens clip is of her raging because Taylor Swift is 34, unmarried and is holding hands with her friend. She's so unserious.
The Triad Wife Influencers/Right Wing Women making content when they aren't doing it themselves. They make money off of telling other women not to make money. Every tiktok video, every fox news interview, every GRWM clip.
Taylor Swift is a billionaire all on her lonesome and Candace will never see that amount of success or admiration and she married a Lord...from England. She's getting desperate. The image if being a wife is more important to conservative fems even if it loses them money.
Very much reminds me of Phyllis Schaffley (spelling?) Founder of the John Birch Society, big influence on Ronald Reagan and inspiration for Serena Joy in The Handmaid's Tale. When Serena Joy is asked why she doesn't practice what she preaches about women staying home and being godly and subservient, she says she desperately wants to but must keep fighting, to free other women from the horror of equal rights and the expectations of having jobs outside the home that comes with those rights.
Offred muses: How furious she must be, now that she's been taken at her word.
one thing i have had to come to terms with is that so many white women also have their husbands' bigoted views. like............. she wants to be with that man, he is a reflection of her.
Most ww only care about themselves. The sooner bw understand this, the better. They only tether themselves to us for numbers to compete with wm or so that they can exploit our issues to emotionally manipulate and brow beat their men into giving them what they want
Okay but as a white, female hockey player, that call out made me laugh 😂
On or a more serious note, I loved this video. The trad wives are hugely recommended on my instagram and this history is so important to be aware of.
It’s clear how much effort you put into each and every video. Your passion for each topic really comes out during these videos. The way you use your clothes to supplement the story is so fun. Your video made me realize that I never really thought about the women of the kkk.
The homemaker community is a loving place. I'm in a large homemaker group on Facebook and absolutely no hate speech, politics, etc. are allowed. (Religion is only allowed in the form of holiday decorations, holiday recipes, etc. I'm a Wiccan and other Pagan homemakers have liked my holiday recipe posts.) Tradwives aren't allowed to spread their venom in our community. ✌️
What "venom would that be?
@@halfmoon106 Subtlely sneaking political ideology into topics other than politics.
@@MaliceInCandyland There's no political ideology, they're just baking cakes.
@@halfmoon106 If they weren't coming at the concept of homemaking from a specific political perspective, then they would use the term housewives. They had to invent their own term to distinguish themselves as separate from housewives and mommy bloggers.
I'll have to find that group ❤ I agree not all homemakers are what she's referring to I'm sure. I'm certainly not I don't dress like that I make bread, knit crochet etc we are Christian so I suppose I check of those boxes
My jaw dropped when you came on the screen in sky blue and pearls. You look amazing, just breathtaking! It's the cheery on top of the sundae that is this video!
honestly, it's very sad that this has got to be argued at all. i think people should be wayy more ashamed of defending or being associated with racists.
it's very disheartening to see people trying to debate this at all.
The left openly associates with anti-white racists.
@@Eet_Mia racists are your family?
@@Eet_Mia I’m so sorry to hear about that. Hope you’re doing better now. I’m not going to act like I know what you’re going through but I would like to give you some strength through advice. Please don’t blame yourself for their lacking. As someone who has experience with being emotionally neglected, we tend to come to a false conclusion that our guardians’ lacking is ours. Remember that all children deserve parents but not all people deserve to be parents. I’m glad you cut them off and are doing well enough on your own. I know it’s hard, but never go back to drinking poison to quench your thirst. Stay strong.
@@Eet_Mia I cut my mother off and she is the same race as me (Black). Abuse can come in any form from any person. My mother was a very abusive person. My mother was the conservative, Christian, tradwife type until suddenly her husband said he wouldn't stay with her UNLESS she got a job. Now, she's scrambling around trying to find one.
This is why I love your videos so much, you address topics eloquently but at the same time easily digestible. You add nuances to the topics and not only see it as black or white.
Thank you for making this content! I’m so glad you’re on the scene. Every video like this helps disrupt the pipeline.
I’ve had this idea for a while that in the last few years there has been a tendency of some people, usually way too online, who try to turn kink into ideology. How could something like “biblical submission” be anything else? Reminds of a quote I can’t find that said fascism is aesthetics raised to the level of politics
It's crazy how much of tradwife content is kink when you get into the less regulated parts of social media (there's some crazy shit on tumblr especially).
On tumblr?! Idk why but I’m shocked I’d think it to be older people and on Reddit or Facebook or something. Also I thought tumblr stomped all that stuff out years ago.
Wow, crazy kink stuff on Tumblr of all places?! That's so unexpected and has never happened before!
Projection.
@@halfmoon106 wdym by that?
That's what I've been thinking and I was wondering if I was the only one realizing it, but it seems I'm not alone😂
SAHM is not really a safe “job” if your hubby ends up abusing you or something happens and he cannot work anymore. :/
We're not just talking about SAHMs though but tradwives specifically, and traditional husbands believe in providing for and protecting their wives. But you're definitely right to bring up financial planning. No matter what you choose on this particular topic, you should make sure you have a good savings as soon as possible.
Do you plan on talking about the religious aspects of tradwives? Their antisemitic, anti-LGBT interpretation of biblical text definitely plays a role in their beliefs. I was raised conservative evangelical (now I’m a queer agnostic, oops!) and I am super interested in that intersection with the alt-right
There’s this really good book called “Jesus and John Wayne,” (my dad recommended it to me) about how Evangelical Christians twisted Jesus into becoming an exaggerated version of white supremacist Western toxic macho-masculinity. Another article, although not about the religious intersection, is called “the crunchy to alt-right pipeline,” which is just really interesting overall :]
I don’t get how so many christians can be anti semitic while all the fprefather of Christ (Abraham, Moses, Kind David) where jews. Heck, the apostoles and Jesus himself were all jews and raised as such. I don’t get it bruh
I mean..anti-lgbt isn't really an interpretation. It's literally deemed as sexual immorality and therefore a sin in the bible.
@@noname-gh1vrL + i had gay transsexual sex with your dad + you are factually incorrect + the book has hundreds if not thousands of contradictions
@@Pollicina_db it stems for the hostility and wars jews and prostestants and catholics have saying one si more right then the other and fighting over that and creating justifications throught their corrupt religion that its okay to colonize and enslave people lol
I like how you describe the trad-wives role as "secretarial" at 26:26 because it legitimizes the hidden work of these supportive positions that is as, if not more, important to any initiative, whether it be political, corporate, etc. When someone argues that the female role in the alt-right movement isn't important, it is anti-feminist in a sense, and I really appreciate that you recognized that. Many, myself included until recently, don't realize that by denying their importance they are helping advance the movements goals-- the devaluation of women.
Great video and I am glad TH-cam recommended this to me :)
I discovered your channel today, watched 5 videos, and now you’re my new favorite 💌
Right? She makes me hopeful for the youth🥰
You’re so talented shanspeare❤️❤️
Thank you ❤❤❤
Way back when I was but a dumbass teenager, I got sucked in by the tradwife aesthetic. I had already been into cottagecore and baking on tumblr at the time, and had a very sexist and toxic family, so the algo pushed me towards that. I ended up then getting sucked into the anti sjw rabbit hole, and it wasn’t until I was watching Sargon defend race realists that I started having doubts. Once I became an adult and entered the workforce, I realized that that it was all fucking bullshit and I had idiotically wandered into this disgusting worldview (i “woke” up lmao). This kind of content is so fucking insidious, it took things im genuinely interested in, and combined w my background (white, poor, American) sucked me into the extreme right, when I was like 13-14. It’s disturbing, and the social media companies really need to take that into account when tweaking their algorithms, because what if I hadn’t gone straight from hs to a profession dominated by women? I probably would’ve ended up married at 19 to some violent racist and had 3 kids by the time I was 25. Gross.
I feel so much relief when I read experiences like yours.
really glad you managed to pull away from those spaces/ideologies. it's super difficult, they're designed to frighten you and pull you in. really good job 🎉
God forbid you have children when you're young and healthy.
@@rtechie That's not the point, doofus! Use bait when you're in the ocean
Shanspeare, thank you for once again connecting puzzle pieces through time and helping others see the patterns too. Your vast intellect and hard work make my life better. Truly. Thank you ❤
ahhh, the thumbnail art is so clever, I’m obsessed
Thank you so much for addressing the intersectionality of these hate groups. I think we’ve been, for way too long ignoring or not paying nearly enough attention to the role ww play in this entire thing. I say this as a ww. It’s so important to understand that intersection of misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, and so on.
Wow, I am so glad your channel was recommended to me. This is a powerful discussion and I thank you for the time you took to create this video. It is such a blessing to have someone finally speak truthfully about these women and the damage they do in our society.
What damage is that? Being happy and living the life they desire?