That would actually require not only doing hard ass work, but also knowing it could take a long time to finally get them. These aesthete activist as I like to call them want results without lifting a finger, but with the glory. It's all about thier ego, not freeing those in bodage or are oppressed.
@@beck2752 But remember when Eli Liliy tanked in stocks because someone made a fake account? If they can do things like that then people could do so much!
Or start hating on racists, transphobes on internet or people doing harm to us by taking away our rights... Like this thing doesn't seem like a big issue than what's actually going on. I know this sounds whatboutism but trust me people are wayy too much interested in others drama
@@grandempressvicky6387not only that but they have temporarily lowered their prices because of it. Witch hunting works. But why witch hunt randos when witch hunting worked on a pharmaceutical company
The fact that Anne Hathaway was deemed a mean girl because she wouldn’t answer an intrusive question shows a level of entitlement. I would have done the same too
That's so true- People go too far and don't even know how to stop. Worse, some of them don't even have the context, they just follow the thing. It's just like a competition to see who can beat harder 💀
And like was what they did that bad? Should we all just be cool with being filmed by strangers and posted on the internet all the time? People are acting like you literally can't take a selfish of just yourself
@@mollylong3571 Yeah, they acted immature at best… Being immature and literally putting private info for all people to see are very far apart, and we know what can be worked out and what is worse and outright dangerous behaviour…
The funny thing is after 'Waffle girl' TT did an entire 180 and decided it was okay and even iconic to be less than thrilled at being caught on camera. Like Im not against it but imagine being doxxed for sth people are gonna applaud three months later
Seriously!! And that woman did not need to record like 30 random people behind her… take a selfie. You’re not the main character and not everyone wants to be plastered all over the internet. They were just there trying to see a game…
right? when it happened i remember a few people getting dragged for being of the opinion that she should have handled that on her own or ignored their mocking, but staying silent in the moment only to post it later encouraging people to dox and harass them over making faces in the back of her selfie is insanely insecure behavior. to let people walk all over you and then try to cry to the internet and sic a bunch of angry strangers on someone is weird af. if it bothered her that badly she should have called them out in person. people need to grow thicker skin or at least a spine
omg, thank you I've been saying this for years! It's like the ppl who were bullied finally have a chance to be bullies themselves, and they have no self awareness or sense of irony what so ever...
@@ima.m.1658 Everyone has trauma. But everyone manages it differently. Victims of trauma are often more likely to internalize said trauma. Deflection is an attribute of the insecure and sometimes narcissistic. It’s also a tactic that can be weaponized by abusers. DARVO, deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender, is a common tactic where an abuser rallies people against one of their victims or a whistleblower in order to cast them as person in the wrong and continue the abuse, now threw other people. The actual victim is then labeled a bully or an abuser and then is mercilessly attacked by people that don’t have enough information to make that assessment.
this video brings up so many good points. i’ve come to refer to the people who engage in these bullying campaigns as “opportunistic bad people.” they see themselves as too morally upright to attack someone unprovoked, but when they decide they’ve been provoked, they’ll give themselves an unlimited pass to be as cruel as they want and convince themselves they’re in the right for acting this way.
yup. I've even experienced this myself after saying something that offended a group of people and they used it as an excuse to bully me and talk about me behind my back and justified it after.
THIS! What a great way to describe how people are on the internet. They disguise their bullying as holding celebrities accountable. It’s a really scary thing.
@@hiena4159 or the Stanford prison experiment. When I was a kid my psychologist mom read me the social animal as a bedtime story😂 so I always was fascinated by group dynamics and social hierarchies. Luckily it also helped me see through people’s BS as an adult too
I wish all these "mean girls", could direct their energy for vigilante justice, towards the billionaires and CEOs that are running the country into the ground for personal profit.
I don't care what anyone says doxxing is definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed. You could get that person literally killed and half the time the internet doesn't have the full story so everyone could be entirely wrong and put an Innocent person in danger bc they gave "mean girl energy" (which is so stupid) and an apology will never be enough for that.
Sorry, when a white woman calls a black woman a racial slur, and she gets doxxed, if you have a problem with that, I want your address too 😂 Because my ancestors and my people at present get killed by people like them to this day, and they get away with it. Your self-righteous “no one deserves this,” thinking is so arrogant because you advocate for people with hierarchical power being free from more consequences just because you have a reasonable desire for teenagers who said something rude and completely lukewarm about someone who wasn’t hurt by their rudeness.
She also had a stroke scare apparently and asked selena to ask her fans to stop it its that bad, sure criticism is fine if its valid but if it isnt and harassment thats not
Bullying someone with the justification of bad “energy” is the EXACT behaviour of a mean girl, if you aren’t defending yourself or someone else you’re just bullying, plain and simple.
@@TenderNoodle they can't seem to comprehend how mentally damaging dog piling can be. Yes bullying is bad but that gives you no reason to say you don't care if a person kills themselves when that's something a bully would exactly say to their victim to break them down. How selfish and awful is that to tell someone that their life doesn't matter bc of pure speculation
To me it seems like the bullying, threatening, and doxing of perceived mean girls is really just a bunch of people looking for someone they can take their anger out on while feeling morally right. It gives them some sort of cathartic release.
It’s unfortunate that we can’t call out bad behavior without attacking one’s appearance or livelihood. It’s almost better to just NOT say anything as to not contribute to the public witch hunt.
And it sucks, because we’re now forced to feel like we have to protect those who have wronged us. You can’t call out bad behaviour out of fear that the internet will take it too far. Once you put it out there, even just to vent, you lose all control.
Doxxing people is horrible, I think people really don't grasp that real human beings are behind these screens. Spreading an address can lead to horrific consequences. Harrassment is already too much, why can't some people just block folks?
I feel like lot of this type of ‘drama’ could be avoided if fans/stans stopped reading into surface level situations and having celebrities ‘comment’ on the drama as well because it just adds more fuel to the dumpster fire.
Or like if the stans stop acting like they actually know the celebrities they fawn and obsess over. These aren’t your friends!!! You don’t know them!!! They don’t know you!!!
And you know these hate is also in Kpop? Recently Wonyoung was being dragged and bullied to hell simply for not bowing properly.. It seems like a trend to bully female celebrities and influencers. Even Jennie is getting massive amounts of hate
I can’t with the grown adults justifying these witch hunts with the “I have two school aged daughters” bullshit lol. From one parent to another, stop using your kids as an excuse to publicly flog strangers on tiktok.
If you are putting your wares out there for the express purpose of public to see, you probably should not mind if they express themselves a little bit about what they think of your wares, whether or not they have children.
One thing I appreciate about the apology video of those two girls is that is shows how totally unprepared the average person is for something like this. Celebrities have people, if not teams of people, who help them manage their image, and they screw up apologies all the time. So yeah, two random people are going to have a bad apology, because they don't have the same resources to get them through. Yet, people often place the same expectations on the random target of the week as they do a powerful celebrity. I think it says a lot about how in this modern age we on some level as a society expect people to be okay with forcibly becoming public figures, even if they did nothing to indicate that they want to be one.
and let's face it, even if you have the resources to have a team of lawyers script an apology for you, even if you feel wholeheartedly sorry and changed your mind and regret what you did, even if you donate to charity and start volunteering and go on a spiritual journey to become a monk, these people don't care. they just want someone they can "justifiably" abuse and harass until the bloodthirst is satisfied
the whole drama shows how bad parasocial relationships have become as a result of social media. there's no way you should have so much venom in your heart to be sending death threats to any public figure, no matter what you've heard about them. It makes you a bully as well. reminds me of those girls on tt who got doxxed and fired because they mocked this girl and it was caught on camera.
I’ve seen people saying they wish hailey would lose a baby if she ever gets pregnant or that they’d kick her in the womb… literally insane, like, you don’t even know this woman??
@@user-hp5cf5kf8k and unironically does the opposite. Katy Perry, Sofia Richie, Barbara Palvin, Caitlin Russo, Jennifer Aniston, Bella Hadid, and Francia were all victims of her Mean girlness.
@@mel818 yes the whole distrack she and Taylor did on Katy Perry. Sofia Richie used to date Justin Bieber and she sent so much hate to her and when Justin told his fans to stop, she jumped in saying he basically didn't have the right to tell them to stop because they are his fans and he owes them and if he doesn't want her to get hate to stop posting her. She harassed Barbra Palvin when she worked with Justin saying "I thought he only liked Latinas' and sending her fans to hate on her. She sent hate to Caitlin Russo because she was PHOTOGRAPHED with Justin when they were both at a party and it wasn't as if she was the only person in the photo, she was just the only girl. She was the affair partner of one of Jennifer Aniston's exes. She threw shade at Bella when she was dating the Weekend, and Francia was the girl who gave Selena a kidney. She made her doctor break hippa to tell her Francia was a match and guilted her into giving her the kidney, then in her biography claimed Taylor Swift was her only friend and the only person who was ever there for her which obviously rubbed Francia the wrong way and when she spoke out about her, her response was " sorry I didn't mention everyone I know." This also prompted all her fans attacking Francia saying Selena doesn't owe her anything. Let's not forget that after the surgery allegedly Selena went back to heavy drinking and doing drugs against doctors orders and Francia's pleads, because if she was going to fuck up the kidney what was the point of her donating it to her?
The Hailey vs Selena thing was started by just ONE fan account, is honestly insane that everyone did this because of one person's assumption. And I remember people getting yelled at for saying the hate the baseball girls were getting was too much. People hate bullies until they get the chance to bully someone.
The saddest part about this phenomenon is that people get so defensive and feel so self-righteous when you tell them to relax their vigilantism - so it feels like they'll never understand any of this 😭
From their point of view they feel like they’re defending and standing up for Selena when from the outside looking in that doesn’t make sense. They aren’t Selena’s peers so it just seems so off
In my opinion if someone doesn't see anything wrong with escalating harassment against a mean girl online, they most likely WOULD have been a mean girl in high school if they had the looks/power/money/etc. The energy is the same, but they feel "justified" in behaving that way.
For real! The only thing stopping those wannabe mean girls from being openly awful is not fitting into the stereotypical “mean girl mould”. That same complex is what makes them feel justified in their shitty behavior while still being morally superior to “other girls”. I have met so many girls like these and it is sickening the excuses people make for their actions just because they were unpopular and nerdy
They were bullied in high school so they go insanely overboard whenever they see a slightly mean girl like rabid dogs when they see steak. It’s a revenge fantasy.
bruh i went to a concert this year and some girls were yelling corny shit like "this is for the bitches who bullied us in high school!!" and then yelled discriminatory slurs at the band 🙃
i think it's absolutely insane that people would dox someone for being mean. yes, it was rude, but it wasn't the end of the world. their lives are forever ruined because they were mean once? even the person who posted the video said this has gone WAY too far. this is disgusting.
@@sheridanfrancis4814 I said this on a video about it, and people were like "then dont go out in public". Dont go in public if you dont want to be doxed to millions worldwide.... the critical thought is lacking
Agreed. I don’t believe in stooping to someone’s level, but I do believe in accountability without stooping to their level. And by that I mean: you don’t have to be a “mean girl” to hold someone accountable for their actions/behaviors. There’s always someone that’s willing to help, but don’t become a bully trying to take down a bully.
43:37 this makes me so sad. I've heard of other stories where people were misidentified and lashed out at online, and it never fails to send a chill through my body. But to hear her talk about those negative comments really hammers in the fact that even if she wasn't the right person, those mean things that were said will always exist and she can't unknow that people said them. Thank goodness she wasn't doxxed too. I hope she's doing okay.
My jaw dropped! It really showcases how none of this is about defending or helping the alleged victim. This is downright bullying. Even if she had been the right person, no amount of strangers insulting her appearance would fix the negative experience that first woman had. This is just people on the Internet finding a scapegoat to be cruel to without enduring consequences.
this video is so good! I think another instance of this was the Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, and Joshua Basset "feud" that went on for way too long. People claim they're helping out, but in reality they're just bullies.
Also the line ‘So much older than me’ in Driver’s License is hilarious because I thought Joshua left her for a MILF and Sabrina is like… 4 years older than her. Huh.
On a personal note, I struggled after one of my s*xual assaults when many people in my intimate circle were too focused on being angry and vengeful towards my rapist instead of actually... helping me deal with the trauma or caring for me at all. It was another struggle to try to explain why this was a bad thing to them, because in their minds they were helping me!!! ...by not doing anything but posting their anger about my rapist where I could see it and had to deal with it over and over again in a single day.
i always found it ironic how fans respond to bullying allegations ... with more bullying? dog pilling on top of one woman dubbed the internets villain with little to no reason, other than a string of seemingly shady videos all in the name of internet justice just seems like an excuse for twt and tt users to have their own mean girl moment.
For real… additionally, the people “defending” the victim of the internet in the situation (Hailey in this case) always resort to being equally nasty towards and spreading hate / rumors about the other involved party (Selena). Just take a look at some of these comments lol. Same thing happened with Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo in recent memory. They don’t realize they’re all a bunch of hypocrites who stand for nothing at all.
Quite literally yes! It’s a shallow excuse to become and strike back at the bullies of their own childhood, using the chosen mean girl of the week as a stand in, and most of them don’t even consciously realize it
@@noiya.r.n Fandom wars are a tale as old as time… it’s like the internet equivalent of two football fans of rival teams brawling in the street over athletes who will never know they exist
@@Mikey-jv5fv I agree. Like please don’t pretend you’re advocating for some noble cause when you’re just a stan who can write a dissertation on people (or rather, your fanfic version of them) you have no access to 😭
I think no one wants to be a bully, so if you convince yourself you are bullying for a “good cause” it’s someone how virtuous. When really you are just perpetuating the concept you claim to be against.
This is so similar to the conversations I’ve had when I’ve shared my SA experience with men and their immediate reaction is to want to go punch the person who hurt me as opposed to ask what would make me feel better. Take a minute and ask who your action is for before taking it.
How did people go from shitting on influencers who film random people without their consent, to doxxing and wishing death upon random people who unwillingly got caught in an influencer's video and clowned her for it....
@@mirmir0003horrid vibes is doxxing people, period. Lol a middle finger is a little less serious than having your safety ripped out from underneath you
@@Fabsocialism I doubt she was a "jelena stan". She liked JB and wanted to support him in whatever, including his relationship. Reminds me of when Harry was dating Taylor and there were a subsection of Directioners who were obsessed with Taylor and their relationship and proving that they were happy for him, even attending Swift's concerts, but dropped her as soon as they broke up because they didn't Stan "Haylor", they stanned Harry. Stans latch onto their faves' significant other all the time
@@FabsocialismShe was a tween at the time, no? That was normal cringy tween shit we did back in the day. And Jelena and Miley and Nick Jonas was like the THING. I remember it being a huge deal. Why? idk. But it was very important. Lol.
The amount of videos I’ve seen claiming that Hailey is/was a stalker of Selena and Justin is low key making my brain rot. I’m not a supporter or fan of either side, but it’s really ironic to me how stans/fans forget how they all acted in their adolescence when it came to worshiping their own celebrity idols. Her actions seem harmless compared to what I’ve seen other people do and since she came from a wealthy/famous family, she had more direct accessibility to form a relationship with him.
Like I get that she is a nepo baby and a pretty boring one at that but if that or possibly “stealing someone’s man” is her worst offense it is pretty low on the list of celebrity sins.
It’s crazing they’ll be engaging in that same obsessive Stan culture AT THE SAME TIME as they call Hailey a weirdo over it. It’s almost as if they actually go hand in hand honestly
I’m still amazed at the reaction to the girls at the astros game- including people saying that they should’ve talked to the op first. I would be nervous of going up to a strange man who is recording me. Maybe making faces and recording the man who was recording them was the safest thing from their perspective. I’m also amazed that everyone feels that op felt entitled to do a whole ass photo shoot during an astros game that everyone around her paid to enjoy. I’m out of sync with the rest of the world on that though it seems.
it would’ve been way less weird to me if the shot had been more focused on jackie, but for some reason, the girls in the background seemed to take up way more of the screen than her. if i’d been in their position, i definitely would’ve felt like i was the focus of the video, just based on the angle at which it was being filmed. this whole thing is so stupid and just shouldn’t have happened in the first place 🙄
Something I found especially wild about the fiasco around Jackie and those two girls was the fact that like....it didn't even stop with the two college girls getting doxxed and whatnot. People came after their FAMILY MEMBERS and their partners and it's like???? Is this justice? Is coming after this college girls AUNT somehow "justice" for Jackie???
Reminds me of the maga hat kid and how his families wedding was crashed by protesters just for those protesters to find out it wasn't the right kid, it just looked like him
People will use any flimsy excuse to act out their bully fantasies. Really disgusting how quickly so many of them are willing to throw away the "morals" they claim to stand behind.
My ex husband left me for my cousin whom he met at my grandmothers wake. The point is, i think my actual family was less upset about it then some stans get about someone cheating on their fave
Ok so the subway surfer and slime bits were funny, but they also made me realize I have like anti tiktok brain bc they distracted me so much I had to cover that part of my screen to be able to still process what was being said😭
while I don’t think the girls in the stands were nice, it’s kind of weird for the picture taking girl to go to a public place and just use random people as background props for her photo shoot. I was surprised everyone defended her but people think it’s their right to post photos of strangers on the internet.
they weren't used as props they were just there in the background,almost everyone takes and posts pictures in public with other people in the background,how is eveyone supposed to just stop from taking pictures in public? you should blur peoples faces when you post sth with them on background imo because I feel uncomfortable people having random pictures of me in their background but thats about it,to say she's as wrong or worse for taking pictures with the girls in the background is wild
Those recent cases are yet again another case of the internet's incurable allergy to nuance and never ending to be part of something - even if that something is bullying people in name of.. antibullying. Open comments sections and social media platforms make people forget it's not their job to be other people's karma.
@@Mikey-jv5fv agreed! People think that just because they’re behind a screen doesn’t mean people don’t see who you truly are! The internet is the Wild West and people will instantly jump to conclusions when they hear one thing! (I think we’ve all heard something about a celeb that gave us the ick but then found out it wasn’t true and was overdramatized by the fans/stans or others on the internet) Those who think that ending bullying with more bullying don’t understand that they’re not going to break the cycle by stooping to that person’s level.
What’s worst about the situation with the girls at the baseball game is that people used it as an excuse to be racist to not just the girls in the video, but any random latina from Texas
I've always said that we can't just dog pile on someone when they do bad. 9 times out of 10 they will double down, and go complete Joker. Public shaming and dog piling doesn't leave room for a defensive person to learn and grow and actually facilitate change. And the majority of us are defensive in this world- it's a mode of survival.
whole time Hailey and Kylie were promoting Kylie's new mascara and it was Selena liking and commenting on tiktoks that are directly/indirectly adding fuel to the fire or are directly related to hailey. even following some of the creators.
@@ouijdanaitaomar5132 The thing is, Kylie didn't even write "this was an accident" text. The person who first made a TikTok about Kylie's eyebrow post "shading" Selena (probably a Selena fan) was the one who wrote that text refering to Kylie's post! That fan was trying to say "was this Kylie's post of her eyebrows an accident?". That's the craziest thing to me! People literally used that text as a "proof" that Kylie was talking about Selena, when in reality Kylie wasn't the one who wrote it! The TikTok was shared millions of times and voila - the damage was done! People need to be more careful about stuff they see and believe online.
42:24 one of my (ex-)tumblr mutuals onc e reblogged a post about how he would never participate in online harassment because you never know what someone's going through, how many other people are harassing them, if any claims about their behavior are true, etc. and then the next day he told someone to kill themself over warrior cats fanfiction
I think people are seeing Hailey and her friends as mean girls because they’re women who come from a wealthy background and praised for their unattainable beauty, which reminds us of the mean girls(popular girls) we experienced growing up with their drive to their popularity being their beauty, which made their bad behavior more acceptable. I think a lot of people in school growing up didn’t have the influence to actually speak against the mean girls, so it feels satisfying for people because now they can finally speak against “mean girls” through the internet. Selena Gomez could easily get away with her bad behavior(actively fueling the fire to the Hailey hate and writing unnecessary comments under hateful videos about Justin or Hailey often praising the user) because she didn’t necessarily come from a wealthy background but also for a lot of people the Selena they remember is the Disney channel Selena, but any body can be a mean girl, even if they don’t fit the stereotype.
Omg yes! Girls who feel “wronged” by the popular crowd often become unpopular mean girls (like Janis Ian). Girls who don’t think they can be mean girls because they were bullied by girls who fit the stereotype Moe than them. 😷 And I’ve seen adults act this way. It’s really sad that people will use something that happened to them in high school as an excuse to be shitty people as adults
You are absolutely, “mean girls “ don’t have a type anyone can be a bully. In the movie mean girls, Janice is technically a mean girl even though she doesn’t fit the mold like Regina.
@@NicoletteParra as someone who was bullied by Janis mean girls and Regina mean girls, the Janis’s are so much worse. The self righteous behavior and victim complexes they have about their mean girl actions are gross. I’m convinced those girls would become out in the open mean if they fit the societal mould.
I think Selena having a human/imperfect response to what was obvious public bullying of her was not "bad behavior." The other girls did something bad, that garnered response, not just from Selena, but the entire internet. But the venomous response from the internet has been unjustified for a long time now.
It makes me sad how far people go honestly, the idea that because you were bullied gives you the right to dox and harass or bash someone who gives off “vibes” makes me physically ill. As someone who was bullied I used to hold preconceived notions about people who were prettier than me, more talented then I was, or more popular than me I got to know someone who was a beautiful talented social butterfly ( who I thought would bully me relentlessly) and she’s actually one of my best friends. I think this whole thing is people blowing things out of proportion, taking matters into their own hands thinking they’re serving justice when really no honey your not, you’re probably making someone feel bad, this is also super common with people in the public eye is that everything they do is watched so carefully because they are put on such a high pedestal as a basically a deity someone worshipped into oblivion and honestly people forget how much of everyone is actually just human
Such a great video! I really wonder what the end goal of some Selena fans are. Like do they want her to get back with her boyfriend from when she was nineteen? I wouldn't wish that on anyone
It is truly a weird mixture of pathetic and terrifying that so many fully grown adults will so, so gleefully partake in mass scale harassment and bullying with the smallest fig leaf of perceived justice in their actions.
Great video! I kinda think we should bring back story time vids instead of filming people in public and posting it online. There’s an emerging genre of post that’s like “this person looked at me weird in public” and commenters proceed to tear apart the person’s appearance and character, all for a 10 second clip where they weren’t smiling (I’ve noticed this happens a lot with women, and posted under the guise of “girls need to support girls” when in actuality it’s enforcing mass punishment on someone for not “looking right” in a public space)
Yep! Seems to have even escalated from there in the months since... Now we have people reading private texts over a stranger's shoulder in airport lounges, wildly misinterpreting what they see, and starting a massive TT outrage campaign over it... with real mental harm to their targets & those people's families. Completely oblivious to the fact that "WTF, you were invading someone else's privacy in a really creepy way? How does that make you a hero??"
Asides from indulging into being an asshole under the guise of avenging someone else, I think a lot of the crazy internet lashings also stem from a little thing called DISPLACED AGGRESSION, which is taking our anger out on someone or something that did not play a role in initiating the feeling. It's actually an easy (and nasty) way to relieve stress. For example: Your boss treats like like shit > you go home and take it out on your kids. It's usually a hierarchical thing, where someone more powerful/stronger/richer/bigger treats someone like shit, makes them feel helpless about it, and so the person on the receiving end doesn't know how to deal with those feelings of fear/helplessness/unfairness, and so tries to "restore" the balance by abusing in turn someone less powerful/weaker/poorer/smaller than them. And the thing with the anonymity of the internet, is that you can go against anyone (above our below you) with very little risk. It's basically people who never learned to self-regulate their emotions. And that's why they do it, but also why they feel "entitled" to do it.
Really good observation!! The apparent total lack of human empathy & self-reflection involved in such dogpiling is also damn scary, esp. given these actions are allegedly motivated by feelings "on behalf" of a supposed bullying victim?
Wuthering Heights is the first time I came across the word ‘Cullen’ being used in a novel, and have wondered if that’s where Stephanie Meyer came up with the family name for her vampires. Just throwing this out there, into the void. Love the video btw, the artistry you cultivate is incredible!
I suspect but If she did, then she must have Had a very different Take on that book than i Had. I Love wuthering heights, but it's the depiction of the most toxic Family i have ever read, including a "romance" that is clearly harming everyone involved. And then Bella goes and thinks "im Like Catherine, uwu". Girl, Catherine was stuck between a nice Guy and an abusive, obsessive piece of garbage. The garbage being her real Love. you Sure you want to liken him to your hot Vampire? 😂
imo, things like that stadium mean girls thing should never be posted publicly, as it is not the internets business, its them and the other girls business to talk it out. it feels pretty shitty that the girl who was photobombed posted it, put sad music under it and didnt blur faces !! thats not ok, be mature and dont leave it to the internet to give you way too much sympathy
That's what I was gonna say too. Selena Gomez is known to initiate such drama (she constantly comments on Hailey Bieber tiktoks) and then plays as a victim and tells others to stop. Bullying is bad, obviously and so is self victimizing and garnering sympathy while the mobs jump on bullying the bully.
I'm having this same exact thought and having a dilemma about it. While I don't think Jackie anticipated the attention her vid would receive and the consequences that would eventually follow, she was the one who ultimately posted the video...
You can’t blame her for how the public reacted. There’s like thousands of videos of Karen’s of all races acting out on the internet whether it’s berating a retail employee or pulling out a gun on a stranger. It is up to individual people on the internet to conduct themselves maturely
The other day I went to Dylan Mulvaney's TH-cam and found so much hate, just shameless berating from strangers. I wanted to see the difference so popped on over to Colleen Bellinger's TH-cam and so much self righteous demands for accountability or self immolation 🤷 who knows. The world has gone to hell in a hand basket.
@@idongesitx1873that doesnt mean that you shouldnt try to midigate that reaction as an influencer. you cant know how every single person on the internet will react, but you can definitely recognise trends. this could have been avoided altogether if the original poster had blurred out the girls faces or just not posted about it at all. i just think its so weird to post random ppl in the first place, no matter what they're doing. a single mean action is not bullying, and most ppl would just go home after that experience with the thought "wow that sucked, those ppl were mean" and get over it, not post it on the internet for pity
I remember when the taylor swift thing went down with Kim and Kanye. I was confused why everyone was so outraged. Even if she had lied (which we now know she didn't) it doesn't affect you? These people are strangers. The reaction was just SO disproportionate.
Being a bullying victim whose bully's *main thing* was isolating me from other people by getting me to act out *at them* and making me out to be the bad guy in every situation, the way some people talk about public shame and accountability is actively triggering. It's been a good few years now, but a sudden blow-up of callouts and social policing in my hobby and social circles actually triggered a psychotic episode so bad I was hospitalised, and it's taken years of work to isolate my reaction back then as being derived from that trauma of having someone wield social power over me and *never see comeuppance for it*, instead being the one who all the "righteous comeuppance" was visited to -- being made to be the villain in a situation where my only crime had been "being awkward and not knowing how to make friends". The degree to which people think we can use bully tactics to get rid of bullies, and the degree to which people think social ostracisation, public pillorying and reputational damage can *do good* is actively horrifying to me. So many people haven't unpacked their need to be a hero, or at least the need for there to be a villain -- *so many people* think persistent negative attention is a *better* punishment than being forgotten, pushed out of positions of power, and losing influence. Because those people who truly are "the villains" of real-life *do not care* if the attention they get is positive or negative. Attention is power, and they will spin it to their advantage. And those people who are the kind I'd identify with... well, you've simply fed someone into the social media woodchipper for your pleasure and called it "justice". It's very tiring. Internet, and modern algorithm-driven social media more acutely, have revealed that we live in a culture that derives much of its power over people from abuse. Dunk culture, cancelling, internet mobs, call it whatever you want, what it is is people reveling in social power over other people and not caring about the consequence because *they* are experiencing catharsis. I'm not immune to it, either. But more and more, my stance is shifting towards it being inherently immoral to derive pleasure and catharsis from the suffering of real people. Go read a fucking book. Play a violent video game. I can't in good conscience live in a world where the worst instincts I developed being bullied as a kid that resulted in me being a bully myself in my early adulthood are dispersed into the ether as justice and righteousness.
I grew up when the internet was edgy, I saw a lot of really heinous stuff but the people then knew they were the bad guys taking it too far and doxxing. The thing that troubles me most is how morally righteous the people doxxing are today, its hard to grow from something if you think you didn't do anything wrong.
It never fails to surprise me the way people see one instance of a very very small amount of bullying and think it’s the worst thing ever. i’ve literally been harassed and threatened at schools, bullied every single day, so it just shows how most of the people who attack these “bullies” have never seen real bullying in their lives.
@@Taylorc0de taylor definitely caught more flack because people *thought* she lied when she didnt. its ridiculous no one cared except taylor swift fans when it was found out kim straight up lied. when taylor was right was trending, it was really just swifties and to this day, people still believe she lied on kanye. crazy.
@@kidawesomeness123 i agree Taylor doesn’t deserve any of this bullshit 😭 It’s so crazy people believe anything media throws at them Kim and Kanye are fucking disgusting for putting her through so much bs since she was 19 FUCKING 19 A literal teen Like how gross you have to do that for some clout😭
ppl who thinking doxxing strangers on the internet for being 'mean girls' still have yet to accept that the ppl who bullied them irl have moved on and are living their best lives whilst they sit at home and project onto random women on the internet.
Exactly. I was pointlessly cruel to the girls that were even a little mean to me in high school just because I didn’t like being shunned, and now I only wish those girls don’t still hate me because what I said was 10x worse than anything they did.
Bruh, Selena fans calling Hailey a mean girl as if their idol doesn't have a long history of drama she may or may not have caused is ironic and I think the only reason she gets away with throwing stones and hiding her hands is her performative feminism. "Women support women" and I'm going to support this tiktoker trashing my ex's wife. "I support equality" but I'm also going to ask what's the point of BLM. "Hey look at me cheer on these models!" But please don't look at my history of attacking models and actresses who were dating or were seen with my ex. What i learned from Selena and her Goonies is that all you need to do is act nice, but not actually be nice.
Mean girls like Selena are the worst because they’re so good at playing the “wholesome girl next door” card that people are more likely to excuse or overlook their mean girl behavior. Speaking from experience as someone who’s been bullied by Hailey and Selena types
Assume the best of people, not the worst. Itll be easier to forgive the imperfections of humanity. And easier to live amongst ourselves and each other.
This is one of the most spot on things I’ve seen. She has so much drama surrounding her but her cultish fans will go ahead and destroy another persons mental health completely so their queen Selena would look better
Don't forget her Devout Christian Good Girl image 🥺🙏 Which imo plays into the whole look nice but don't actually be nice thing. I know some Christians really are kind people, but living in the Bible Belt has taught me first hand a lot of pretty woman have become very good at weaponizing this.
As someone who was also bullied in high school, i fully agree with your point abt support over revenge. The people i remember most fondly are those who'd hang out with me or occasionally invite me out. Seeing people doxx strangers doesn't help me heal in any way, shape or form
I really appreciate the work you put into the “b-roll” scenes, it’s always so detailed Edit: (quotations bc I feel like b-roll sounds dismissive, bc it’s like a whole scene and not just a time lapse of construction sites and major roadways)
I find it interesting and deeply comforting that under almost all of your videos people use “I feel” statements, and actual “I feel” statements not just precursors to soften a statement right after that’s negative. I feel like you’re making little ripples of change here and it’s really honestly wonderful to see
As someone who hates being filmed or photographed without my consent, I actually dont think the girls were acting out of line. The filming did seem excessive, and the owner seemed to center the girls in the background. Did they act rudely, yeah, but that lady was also just filming them with no respect for their consent either to be filmed. And like Shanspeare mentioned, I dont mean short films or randos in a picture. That lady filmed them long enough to get several responses from them. She could have also readjusted her camera so they wouldnt be in the shot.
I agree. She showed their faces long enough for people to literally find both their socials and their addresses, I would have just stopped and asked if they were uncomfortable with the filming
Yeah I don’t know how I would react. If you asked her politely to not record you she would probably still post about how “mean” you were for having a problem with her video lol
I always tell people the only prerequisites to receiving the treatment that Amber Heard got are being a woman and being disliked. If you can convince people not to like a woman then you can say she flies around on broomsticks and drinks virgins blood and people will believe you. People will rally to burn her figuratively (or literally, depending on where you live)
I’m not saying Hailey is a perfect person, but neither is Selena. We don’t actually know what celebrities are like. I feel like Selena’s “kindness” can sometimes also be some type of act… actual kind people aren’t always talking about how kind they are. Don’t get me wrong I love her work, she’s very smart and talented but that doesn’t mean she needs to be idealized and made to sound absolutely perfect.
I mean you gotta remember Selena also has bipolar disorder. I think people demonise her too much, she's no saint though. We obviously don't know her irl, but looking at her instagram comments sometimes is really hard. I agree with you though, imo the "drama" was just people pitting women against each other and Selena should've said something to her fans earlier....
nice people show their truest intentions throughout their actions, while fake nice people constantly talk about how nice they are when showing the total opposite of being a nice person.
This video just shows how toxic and delusional some fandoms can be. Yes maybe there was something, we will have never have the real and final confirmation cause we DO NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE. However everything that followed proved to me that people just like excuses to indulge in their sadistic instincts
The subway surfers 😭😭😭😭 But seriously you put so much effort into each video, and its always so impressive how you incorporate literature into things like internet drama!
the moment you said Jelena my skin started to break out in hives. that said this video is so well done, even though i have no idea what's going on or what you're talking about god bless
So beautiful 🥹I was holding back tears at the end. Just thinking about how much it would have meant if just one person would have stood in solidarity with me when getting verbally abused by classmates. Sometimes that extra back up is just the boost of confidence you need to take on the bully yourself. In this type of sadistic cycle, our silence and/or refusal of support plays a role in allowing this type of behavior to continue. I only hope for a day where we lead with kindness and care instead of destruction and hate 🙏🏽🙏🏽💔
yeah, the videos that people claimed were clear digs at selena gomez seemed like a huge reach to me. also, on the topic of vengeance, I myself have been spiteful and vengeful against horrible people (abusive relationship stuff). I still had moral boundaries around my vengeance. I just cursed them because I was super into witchcraft at the time, but not death curses or anything like that. it was more feel guilty and have bad skin. it was an outlet, but I didn't feel that much better and it still ate me up every day. and then I found people who actually supported and validated me and then I did feel better and now I'm in a much better place emotionally.
Yeah, sadly the online revengers who follow the "eye for an eye" principle so righteously sadly seem to have missed the corollary to that saying, i.e. "...makes the whole world blind"? 😬 I'm really glad you got to a better place yourself & found genuinely supportive people to be with!
Brilliant video as always! I feel old knowing so little about these people, but *thankful* to have made it thru HS before most ppl had internet. Someone could only be mean to your face. Or behind your back, but only in groups of 2-6ish. You deserve a more insightful comment, but the algo should be fed ASAP ❤
half way through the video but omg the production quality of this video. The intro had me gagged. Not to mention the sludge/subway surfers gameplay was so funny. This is the best commentary channel on TH-cam. You always go above and beyond.
well some people are living their "death note" fantasy (more like the power trip of inflicting punishment for people who seem like they deserve it, not the whole killing ppl lol )
your videos are always so interesting and engaging, you don't need the split screen with subway surfers and slime; you're engaging on your own. it kind of brought me out of the video and i had to cover that half of the screen so i could focus on what you were saying.
Clapback culture and the anonymity social media provides makes this so much worse. Add parasocial relationships that make people feel like you they know celebrities personally. Eventually they feel like they can say whatever they want to people they don't know. It becomes a competition to see who can be the meanest in the coolest way possible way.
been brooding on the extreme rise in internet hate and bullying in the age of tik tok, it’s so scary and dystopian. thank u for this vid!! as always, a hit!!
Hey Shan! Great video as always. As I was watching this I thought about what you said about haters online projecting their own experiences with bullying on to “mean girls” and it made me think of another factor in this equation that should be pointed out: the fact that there is no systematic/structural way for school bullying for example to be stopped. If you tell your parents or your teachers and they try to do something about it the bullying just gets worse. Bullies’ parents often enable such behavior, don’t care about correcting their kids or just cannot get their kids to stop. It’s strange to me how this is such a universal problem, from USA to South Asia to Africa to Europe, and so far I haven’t heard of an effective way for institutions to deal with it. Of course it’s important to tell the individuals to not go on internet hate tirades, but we also need to call out our school systems for failing us as impressionable kids. Ps if anyone has effective anti bullying policies at their schools please do share, I’d love to hear about them!
i hate how closely girls examine each others’ behaviors waiting for a reason to check each other while men are never scrutinized to the same extent. there is no such thing as a “mean boy”
“She saves her energy for loving me and allows the rest to happen if it needs to” such beautiful words to describe a beautiful friendship. It really is the intimate love and support of my friends that has gotten me through some really rough interactions with really mean people. I won’t lie, when the whole baseball TikTok situation came up on my feed I felt gratified knowing those girls were punished for making someone feel so ashamed and embarrassed in a way that I felt in my core, dredged up from past memories of being made to feel that way myself. It really is this mix of projection and animalistic vengeance that calls us to tear people apart like this.
that last section really made me think, like how your friend asks how you would like to be comforted before just resorting to revenge for you, in cases like selena and hailey are their fans really fighting for them? defending them? or are they just co-opting their (potential) feelings on the situation and how much does that say about how much they really love these celebrities ?
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I have a bff exactly how you describe at the end of the video and my life has been vastly improved since I met her in 2003. She always listened and spoke fondly to others about her special access to my personal “rants”, like our closeness and friendship was an honor. What an absolute amazing person, I wish every woman can experience a true bff. When they say they’ll always be there, there’s never been more truth in the world 💓
I was angry and bitter for years after a traumatic situation in my past. I wished death upon the person involved. Let me tell you, I was not able to fully heal from that trauma until I let go of my desire for revenge. Years later, after I had let go, I got to talk to the person I was so mad at. The things I and others had done to enact revenge on them had severely hurt not only them but the kid sister of their partner. Believe me when I say that the desire for complete, eye for an eye revenge, will stifle your recovery at best and repeat the cycle of abuse at worse.
I still have dreams about being bullied sometimes, even though I've seen these people since and I can tell that they aren't those people anymore. It's tough to know I need to let go of those people who don't even really exist anymore. Or even if they are the same, that it's not worth not moving on with my own life when they have
they want the satisfaction of being mean but dont want their beliefe that theyre a good person to be challeged, thus the cognitive dissonance is solved by engaging in a behaviour online where a) they dont have to see the effects of their actions in real time and receive instant feedback from the person theyre harming or the response of other people around them b) no one will hold them accountable because they are one of a million people doing the exact same thing c) they can be as sadistic as they want cause the situation isnt *real* to them. theyre removed from the reality because its an abstract scenario presented in 1080p on apps meant for entertainment i actually said nothing new so yes ditto you made good words thank you 😂😂
I've noticed the same thing. And it's interesting how people are focused on mean GIRLS, even though boys and men are just as mean and have more power to harm others. It's typically marginalized people, not just women, who get singled out for being "abusive," and, therefore, deserving of punishment. And the bad behavior of one marginalized person is then generalized to all people in that category - hence the belief that "mean girl" behavior is primarily "female problem," leaving the men who engage in this behavior untouched. It may feel like "justice" to attack someone who has done something wrong, but, most of the time, this behavior only reinforces the systems that lead to injustice in the first place by redirecting anger towards the powerless.
I do wish we'd put some of the energy we put into punishing 'mean girls' to harassing the billionaires who control our country.
exactly. so tired of performative “activism”
That would actually require not only doing hard ass work, but also knowing it could take a long time to finally get them. These aesthete activist as I like to call them want results without lifting a finger, but with the glory. It's all about thier ego, not freeing those in bodage or are oppressed.
@@beck2752 But remember when Eli Liliy tanked in stocks because someone made a fake account? If they can do things like that then people could do so much!
Or start hating on racists, transphobes on internet or people doing harm to us by taking away our rights... Like this thing doesn't seem like a big issue than what's actually going on. I know this sounds whatboutism but trust me people are wayy too much interested in others drama
@@grandempressvicky6387not only that but they have temporarily lowered their prices because of it. Witch hunting works. But why witch hunt randos when witch hunting worked on a pharmaceutical company
The fact that Anne Hathaway was deemed a mean girl because she wouldn’t answer an intrusive question shows a level of entitlement. I would have done the same too
anne hathaway and a mean girl doesn't even go in the same sentence
What was the question though? (Just asking)
This never happened
Yeah what was the question?
@@chuggaa100yes it did
usually the internet's revenge against "mean girls" is far worse than what said mean girls did in the first place
“we are holding them accountable!!” no you’re just enjoying in bullying another woman.
That's so true- People go too far and don't even know how to stop. Worse, some of them don't even have the context, they just follow the thing. It's just like a competition to see who can beat harder 💀
As someone who was bullied, I can honestly say yes. This insanity will not heal or vindicate BB!Me or anyone else.
Revenge in general usually is
@@ivaiva4544 especially when it's a minor as well like bfr
these people on tiktok are actually evil. doxxing someone is ten billion times worse than being rude at a baseball game.
And like was what they did that bad? Should we all just be cool with being filmed by strangers and posted on the internet all the time? People are acting like you literally can't take a selfish of just yourself
@@mollylong3571 Yeah, they acted immature at best… Being immature and literally putting private info for all people to see are very far apart, and we know what can be worked out and what is worse and outright dangerous behaviour…
The funny thing is after 'Waffle girl' TT did an entire 180 and decided it was okay and even iconic to be less than thrilled at being caught on camera. Like Im not against it but imagine being doxxed for sth people are gonna applaud three months later
Seriously!! And that woman did not need to record like 30 random people behind her… take a selfie. You’re not the main character and not everyone wants to be plastered all over the internet. They were just there trying to see a game…
right? when it happened i remember a few people getting dragged for being of the opinion that she should have handled that on her own or ignored their mocking, but staying silent in the moment only to post it later encouraging people to dox and harass them over making faces in the back of her selfie is insanely insecure behavior. to let people walk all over you and then try to cry to the internet and sic a bunch of angry strangers on someone is weird af. if it bothered her that badly she should have called them out in person. people need to grow thicker skin or at least a spine
I feel like people just need an excuse to become bullies
omg, thank you I've been saying this for years! It's like the ppl who were bullied finally have a chance to be bullies themselves, and they have no self awareness or sense of irony what so ever...
THIS
Most people don't even need an excuse
A lot of people with trauma seem to dump it on others by projecting their insecurities onto them.
@@ima.m.1658 Everyone has trauma. But everyone manages it differently. Victims of trauma are often more likely to internalize said trauma. Deflection is an attribute of the insecure and sometimes narcissistic. It’s also a tactic that can be weaponized by abusers. DARVO, deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender, is a common tactic where an abuser rallies people against one of their victims or a whistleblower in order to cast them as person in the wrong and continue the abuse, now threw other people. The actual victim is then labeled a bully or an abuser and then is mercilessly attacked by people that don’t have enough information to make that assessment.
"Self indulgence, not social reform" 💯💯💯
this video brings up so many good points. i’ve come to refer to the people who engage in these bullying campaigns as “opportunistic bad people.” they see themselves as too morally upright to attack someone unprovoked, but when they decide they’ve been provoked, they’ll give themselves an unlimited pass to be as cruel as they want and convince themselves they’re in the right for acting this way.
yup. I've even experienced this myself after saying something that offended a group of people and they used it as an excuse to bully me and talk about me behind my back and justified it after.
Omg hii Li :D and yes I agree this doesn't really help to solve problamtic behavior because the person targeted will get defensive
THIS! What a great way to describe how people are on the internet. They disguise their bullying as holding celebrities accountable. It’s a really scary thing.
damn this reminds me so much of the milgram experiment
@@hiena4159 or the Stanford prison experiment. When I was a kid my psychologist mom read me the social animal as a bedtime story😂 so I always was fascinated by group dynamics and social hierarchies. Luckily it also helped me see through people’s BS as an adult too
I wish all these "mean girls", could direct their energy for vigilante justice, towards the billionaires and CEOs that are running the country into the ground for personal profit.
Or towards alpha bros and sugma males... Like please they are ruining my positivity on Instagram with how hateful they are!
country more like earth lol
I wish they'd just evaporate.
*world
not even just earth anymore with how many have gone ro or trying to go to space lmao
just the entire universe
I don't care what anyone says doxxing is definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed. You could get that person literally killed and half the time the internet doesn't have the full story so everyone could be entirely wrong and put an Innocent person in danger bc they gave "mean girl energy" (which is so stupid) and an apology will never be enough for that.
Sorry, when a white woman calls a black woman a racial slur, and she gets doxxed, if you have a problem with that, I want your address too 😂
Because my ancestors and my people at present get killed by people like them to this day, and they get away with it. Your self-righteous “no one deserves this,” thinking is so arrogant because you advocate for people with hierarchical power being free from more consequences just because you have a reasonable desire for teenagers who said something rude and completely lukewarm about someone who wasn’t hurt by their rudeness.
She also had a stroke scare apparently and asked selena to ask her fans to stop it its that bad, sure criticism is fine if its valid but if it isnt and harassment thats not
@@espeon871 they're so hypocritical they apparently hate bullies but relentlessly bully people Without even the supposed victim in mind
Bullying someone with the justification of bad “energy” is the EXACT behaviour of a mean girl, if you aren’t defending yourself or someone else you’re just bullying, plain and simple.
@@TenderNoodle they can't seem to comprehend how mentally damaging dog piling can be. Yes bullying is bad but that gives you no reason to say you don't care if a person kills themselves when that's something a bully would exactly say to their victim to break them down. How selfish and awful is that to tell someone that their life doesn't matter bc of pure speculation
To me it seems like the bullying, threatening, and doxing of perceived mean girls is really just a bunch of people looking for someone they can take their anger out on while feeling morally right. It gives them some sort of cathartic release.
holy shit. this.
It’s unfortunate that we can’t call out bad behavior without attacking one’s appearance or livelihood. It’s almost better to just NOT say anything as to not contribute to the public witch hunt.
And it sucks, because we’re now forced to feel like we have to protect those who have wronged us. You can’t call out bad behaviour out of fear that the internet will take it too far. Once you put it out there, even just to vent, you lose all control.
This gives me food for thought, as currently a massive downfall of a huge youtuber happens in real time. I mean illuminaughtii...
I agree with the first part but still we can do what’s right and we better do, cause real problems must be solved or they’ll get worse
not saying anything is letting yourself be a doormat
@@strawberry_punch_art Wait...what? Let me do some Googling.
Doxxing people is horrible, I think people really don't grasp that real human beings are behind these screens. Spreading an address can lead to horrific consequences. Harrassment is already too much, why can't some people just block folks?
I feel like lot of this type of ‘drama’ could be avoided if fans/stans stopped reading into surface level situations and having celebrities ‘comment’ on the drama as well because it just adds more fuel to the dumpster fire.
When drama happens suddenly we have people acting like they are armchair psychologists
Or like if the stans stop acting like they actually know the celebrities they fawn and obsess over. These aren’t your friends!!! You don’t know them!!! They don’t know you!!!
@@Mikey-jv5fv Exactly. Fans in general need to seriously reevaluate the parasocial relationships that they have with their idols.
Or you know, people could not give a fuck about famous people's personal life's
And you know these hate is also in Kpop? Recently Wonyoung was being dragged and bullied to hell simply for not bowing properly.. It seems like a trend to bully female celebrities and influencers. Even Jennie is getting massive amounts of hate
"Are they really supporting you, or are they just attacking me?" - Megan Thee Stallion
I can’t with the grown adults justifying these witch hunts with the “I have two school aged daughters” bullshit lol. From one parent to another, stop using your kids as an excuse to publicly flog strangers on tiktok.
If you are putting your wares out there for the express purpose of public to see, you probably should not mind if they express themselves a little bit about what they think of your wares, whether or not they have children.
One thing I appreciate about the apology video of those two girls is that is shows how totally unprepared the average person is for something like this. Celebrities have people, if not teams of people, who help them manage their image, and they screw up apologies all the time. So yeah, two random people are going to have a bad apology, because they don't have the same resources to get them through. Yet, people often place the same expectations on the random target of the week as they do a powerful celebrity. I think it says a lot about how in this modern age we on some level as a society expect people to be okay with forcibly becoming public figures, even if they did nothing to indicate that they want to be one.
and let's face it, even if you have the resources to have a team of lawyers script an apology for you, even if you feel wholeheartedly sorry and changed your mind and regret what you did, even if you donate to charity and start volunteering and go on a spiritual journey to become a monk, these people don't care. they just want someone they can "justifiably" abuse and harass until the bloodthirst is satisfied
the whole drama shows how bad parasocial relationships have become as a result of social media. there's no way you should have so much venom in your heart to be sending death threats to any public figure, no matter what you've heard about them. It makes you a bully as well. reminds me of those girls on tt who got doxxed and fired because they mocked this girl and it was caught on camera.
nah, musk deserves all the threats he gets and more
I’ve seen people saying they wish hailey would lose a baby if she ever gets pregnant or that they’d kick her in the womb… literally insane, like, you don’t even know this woman??
@@user-hp5cf5kf8k and unironically does the opposite. Katy Perry, Sofia Richie, Barbara Palvin, Caitlin Russo, Jennifer Aniston, Bella Hadid, and Francia were all victims of her Mean girlness.
@@babyfaceweeb8937 what do you mean? Selena was mean to all those people? Sorry, i don't keep up with that generation of celebs, so im very confused.
@@mel818 yes the whole distrack she and Taylor did on Katy Perry. Sofia Richie used to date Justin Bieber and she sent so much hate to her and when Justin told his fans to stop, she jumped in saying he basically didn't have the right to tell them to stop because they are his fans and he owes them and if he doesn't want her to get hate to stop posting her. She harassed Barbra Palvin when she worked with Justin saying "I thought he only liked Latinas' and sending her fans to hate on her. She sent hate to Caitlin Russo because she was PHOTOGRAPHED with Justin when they were both at a party and it wasn't as if she was the only person in the photo, she was just the only girl. She was the affair partner of one of Jennifer Aniston's exes. She threw shade at Bella when she was dating the Weekend, and Francia was the girl who gave Selena a kidney. She made her doctor break hippa to tell her Francia was a match and guilted her into giving her the kidney, then in her biography claimed Taylor Swift was her only friend and the only person who was ever there for her which obviously rubbed Francia the wrong way and when she spoke out about her, her response was " sorry I didn't mention everyone I know." This also prompted all her fans attacking Francia saying Selena doesn't owe her anything. Let's not forget that after the surgery allegedly Selena went back to heavy drinking and doing drugs against doctors orders and Francia's pleads, because if she was going to fuck up the kidney what was the point of her donating it to her?
it's crazy that people think ruining someone's life for being rude in the back of a photo is ok.
The subway surfer clips drawing my attention back to you from my second screen had me in tears. Well played.
No same Im so angry it’s working on me 😭😭😭
Came to say this
I WHEEZED
I paused the game I was playing on my other screen because of it. God damn.
On my phone so I had to turn my phone face down bc I was distracted 😂
Bro made it thru almost 40 minutes before I realized she was having other things on the screen while talking 😂
The Hailey vs Selena thing was started by just ONE fan account, is honestly insane that everyone did this because of one person's assumption. And I remember people getting yelled at for saying the hate the baseball girls were getting was too much. People hate bullies until they get the chance to bully someone.
The saddest part about this phenomenon is that people get so defensive and feel so self-righteous when you tell them to relax their vigilantism - so it feels like they'll never understand any of this 😭
Tunnel vision is scary when you see it for yourself in people
“Yeah that was messed up of her to do but I don’t think she deserved to have her life threatened”
“SO YOURE A BULLY TOO???”
No one wants to be the bad guy. Also I love your pfp, so nostalgic!
From their point of view they feel like they’re defending and standing up for Selena when from the outside looking in that doesn’t make sense. They aren’t Selena’s peers so it just seems so off
It's because they weren't raise by actual people, but by the computer-tv. They where never to.d no once.
In my opinion if someone doesn't see anything wrong with escalating harassment against a mean girl online, they most likely WOULD have been a mean girl in high school if they had the looks/power/money/etc. The energy is the same, but they feel "justified" in behaving that way.
And they are probably 100% a mean girl in the workplace with titles like boss, manager, supervisor, director, CEO, etc.
For real! The only thing stopping those wannabe mean girls from being openly awful is not fitting into the stereotypical “mean girl mould”. That same complex is what makes them feel justified in their shitty behavior while still being morally superior to “other girls”.
I have met so many girls like these and it is sickening the excuses people make for their actions just because they were unpopular and nerdy
They were bullied in high school so they go insanely overboard whenever they see a slightly mean girl like rabid dogs when they see steak. It’s a revenge fantasy.
bruh i went to a concert this year and some girls were yelling corny shit like "this is for the bitches who bullied us in high school!!" and then yelled discriminatory slurs at the band 🙃
@@loreleirae7029 what the heck 🙃
i think it's absolutely insane that people would dox someone for being mean. yes, it was rude, but it wasn't the end of the world. their lives are forever ruined because they were mean once? even the person who posted the video said this has gone WAY too far. this is disgusting.
Absolutely. The punishment is vastly disproportionate to the “crime”.
you make a good point but your pfp being heather just made me laugh
@@stvampire haha thanks
@@sheridanfrancis4814 I said this on a video about it, and people were like "then dont go out in public". Dont go in public if you dont want to be doxed to millions worldwide.... the critical thought is lacking
It's honestly so childish and it's happening so often with lil kids in some fandoms Im in
Being filmed in public without my permission is one of the reasons I'm an agrophobe.
Trying to fight bullying with even worse bullying is so weird but unfortunately matches the maturity of so many people on the internet.
Agreed. I don’t believe in stooping to someone’s level, but I do believe in accountability without stooping to their level. And by that I mean: you don’t have to be a “mean girl” to hold someone accountable for their actions/behaviors. There’s always someone that’s willing to help, but don’t become a bully trying to take down a bully.
43:37 this makes me so sad. I've heard of other stories where people were misidentified and lashed out at online, and it never fails to send a chill through my body. But to hear her talk about those negative comments really hammers in the fact that even if she wasn't the right person, those mean things that were said will always exist and she can't unknow that people said them. Thank goodness she wasn't doxxed too. I hope she's doing okay.
My jaw dropped! It really showcases how none of this is about defending or helping the alleged victim. This is downright bullying. Even if she had been the right person, no amount of strangers insulting her appearance would fix the negative experience that first woman had. This is just people on the Internet finding a scapegoat to be cruel to without enduring consequences.
this video is so good! I think another instance of this was the Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, and Joshua Basset "feud" that went on for way too long. People claim they're helping out, but in reality they're just bullies.
That was insane! I felt so bad for Sabrina.
No seriously. That was so bad and I felt so bad for Sabrina.
* I felt so bad for sabrina:((((((
poor Sabrina, and the way olivia didn’t say anything while her insane Stan’s went and bullied and harassed sabrina (and josh kind of) was insane
Also the line ‘So much older than me’ in Driver’s License is hilarious because I thought Joshua left her for a MILF and Sabrina is like… 4 years older than her. Huh.
On a personal note, I struggled after one of my s*xual assaults when many people in my intimate circle were too focused on being angry and vengeful towards my rapist instead of actually... helping me deal with the trauma or caring for me at all. It was another struggle to try to explain why this was a bad thing to them, because in their minds they were helping me!!! ...by not doing anything but posting their anger about my rapist where I could see it and had to deal with it over and over again in a single day.
I honestly haven’t told most of my family because of this. I don’t want “revenge” I want a hug.
@oddanderson9131
Could it be a virtual hug?
Giving you a virtual hug,I hope that you’re in a better place now
i always found it ironic how fans respond to bullying allegations ... with more bullying? dog pilling on top of one woman dubbed the internets villain with little to no reason, other than a string of seemingly shady videos all in the name of internet justice just seems like an excuse for twt and tt users to have their own mean girl moment.
For real… additionally, the people “defending” the victim of the internet in the situation (Hailey in this case) always resort to being equally nasty towards and spreading hate / rumors about the other involved party (Selena). Just take a look at some of these comments lol. Same thing happened with Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo in recent memory. They don’t realize they’re all a bunch of hypocrites who stand for nothing at all.
Quite literally yes! It’s a shallow excuse to become and strike back at the bullies of their own childhood, using the chosen mean girl of the week as a stand in, and most of them don’t even consciously realize it
@@noiya.r.n Fandom wars are a tale as old as time… it’s like the internet equivalent of two football fans of rival teams brawling in the street over athletes who will never know they exist
@@Mikey-jv5fv I agree. Like please don’t pretend you’re advocating for some noble cause when you’re just a stan who can write a dissertation on people (or rather, your fanfic version of them) you have no access to 😭
I think no one wants to be a bully, so if you convince yourself you are bullying for a “good cause” it’s someone how virtuous. When really you are just perpetuating the concept you claim to be against.
This is so similar to the conversations I’ve had when I’ve shared my SA experience with men and their immediate reaction is to want to go punch the person who hurt me as opposed to ask what would make me feel better. Take a minute and ask who your action is for before taking it.
How did people go from shitting on influencers who film random people without their consent, to doxxing and wishing death upon random people who unwillingly got caught in an influencer's video and clowned her for it....
It’s THE slippery slope because wtf actually how???
horrid vibes from this comment
@@mirmir0003 stop saying vibes and just start saying assumption. lmao
@@mirmir0003 huh?
@@mirmir0003horrid vibes is doxxing people, period. Lol a middle finger is a little less serious than having your safety ripped out from underneath you
“1 sentence lasts 42 pages” 😂 girl and that’s why I can’t read fiction and watch movies
I will say finding out Hailey was a Jelena Stan def made everything weird
@@Fabsocialism I doubt she was a "jelena stan". She liked JB and wanted to support him in whatever, including his relationship. Reminds me of when Harry was dating Taylor and there were a subsection of Directioners who were obsessed with Taylor and their relationship and proving that they were happy for him, even attending Swift's concerts, but dropped her as soon as they broke up because they didn't Stan "Haylor", they stanned Harry. Stans latch onto their faves' significant other all the time
@@FabsocialismShe was a tween at the time, no? That was normal cringy tween shit we did back in the day. And Jelena and Miley and Nick Jonas was like the THING. I remember it being a huge deal. Why? idk. But it was very important. Lol.
The amount of videos I’ve seen claiming that Hailey is/was a stalker of Selena and Justin is low key making my brain rot. I’m not a supporter or fan of either side, but it’s really ironic to me how stans/fans forget how they all acted in their adolescence when it came to worshiping their own celebrity idols. Her actions seem harmless compared to what I’ve seen other people do and since she came from a wealthy/famous family, she had more direct accessibility to form a relationship with him.
Like I get that she is a nepo baby and a pretty boring one at that but if that or possibly “stealing someone’s man” is her worst offense it is pretty low on the list of celebrity sins.
@@enVschat especially when the person she allegedly stole the man from has done the same multiple times.
@@enVschat yup. if people gave this same energy to all of the abusers and predators who still have a platform then the world would be a better place.
It’s crazing they’ll be engaging in that same obsessive Stan culture AT THE SAME TIME as they call Hailey a weirdo over it. It’s almost as if they actually go hand in hand honestly
esp when Selena has been known to harass Justin or his partners throughout the years
I’m still amazed at the reaction to the girls at the astros game- including people saying that they should’ve talked to the op first. I would be nervous of going up to a strange man who is recording me. Maybe making faces and recording the man who was recording them was the safest thing from their perspective. I’m also amazed that everyone feels that op felt entitled to do a whole ass photo shoot during an astros game that everyone around her paid to enjoy. I’m out of sync with the rest of the world on that though it seems.
it would’ve been way less weird to me if the shot had been more focused on jackie, but for some reason, the girls in the background seemed to take up way more of the screen than her. if i’d been in their position, i definitely would’ve felt like i was the focus of the video, just based on the angle at which it was being filmed. this whole thing is so stupid and just shouldn’t have happened in the first place 🙄
Something I found especially wild about the fiasco around Jackie and those two girls was the fact that like....it didn't even stop with the two college girls getting doxxed and whatnot. People came after their FAMILY MEMBERS and their partners and it's like???? Is this justice? Is coming after this college girls AUNT somehow "justice" for Jackie???
Reminds me of the maga hat kid and how his families wedding was crashed by protesters just for those protesters to find out it wasn't the right kid, it just looked like him
Justice!! For being the victim of uhhh, someone making a face at the camera when you decided to record them without their consent. Riiiight
People will use any flimsy excuse to act out their bully fantasies. Really disgusting how quickly so many of them are willing to throw away the "morals" they claim to stand behind.
My ex husband left me for my cousin whom he met at my grandmothers wake. The point is, i think my actual family was less upset about it then some stans get about someone cheating on their fave
It really be on your own blood that does you the most dirty, damn sorry that happened to you
I hope you are fine ❤️
I’m really sorry that happened to you. Looks like both of those people showed their true colors and don’t deserve your time.
@@Sophia-gw6bv that is very kind of you. I'm much better off and planning on suing them soon
@@mitcharendt2253 Suing them?? Why?
At last! someone else recognizes Wuthering Heights is less a romance and more a messy revenge drama (and it’s one of my fave books ever)
I read it as a depiction of multi Generational Trauma. Also Love it to Bits, but damn. So. Much. Abuse.
Poor hareton
Ok so the subway surfer and slime bits were funny, but they also made me realize I have like anti tiktok brain bc they distracted me so much I had to cover that part of my screen to be able to still process what was being said😭
Me too! It caught me of guard lmao
I feel the same! After a while if I let me eyes focus on the distraction I could listen, but I wanted to be focused fully on Shan haha
Literally my brain hurts 😂😭
Same i hated it
while I don’t think the girls in the stands were nice, it’s kind of weird for the picture taking girl to go to a public place and just use random people as background props for her photo shoot. I was surprised everyone defended her but people think it’s their right to post photos of strangers on the internet.
Yeah those girls were being shitheads but that’s pretty much it. The influencer posting that video for content is far worse than whatever they did
Imo, her posting it with the text to her followers was her trying to 'uwu buuuulllying, now sic on em, followers!'
they weren't used as props they were just there in the background,almost everyone takes and posts pictures in public with other people in the background,how is eveyone supposed to just stop from taking pictures in public? you should blur peoples faces when you post sth with them on background imo because I feel uncomfortable people having random pictures of me in their background but thats about it,to say she's as wrong or worse for taking pictures with the girls in the background is wild
@@elalala576 did you see how far off center she was? just take your pic and put your phone away.
THIS. Like the girls were jerks, sure but why is it so normal to photograph people without consent?
Those recent cases are yet again another case of the internet's incurable allergy to nuance and never ending to be part of something - even if that something is bullying people in name of.. antibullying. Open comments sections and social media platforms make people forget it's not their job to be other people's karma.
Allergic to nuance is CORRECT the anonymity really makes people way too comfortable and let’s them give into their absolutely worse impulses
@@Mikey-jv5fv agreed! People think that just because they’re behind a screen doesn’t mean people don’t see who you truly are! The internet is the Wild West and people will instantly jump to conclusions when they hear one thing! (I think we’ve all heard something about a celeb that gave us the ick but then found out it wasn’t true and was overdramatized by the fans/stans or others on the internet) Those who think that ending bullying with more bullying don’t understand that they’re not going to break the cycle by stooping to that person’s level.
What’s worst about the situation with the girls at the baseball game is that people used it as an excuse to be racist to not just the girls in the video, but any random latina from Texas
I've always said that we can't just dog pile on someone when they do bad. 9 times out of 10 they will double down, and go complete Joker. Public shaming and dog piling doesn't leave room for a defensive person to learn and grow and actually facilitate change. And the majority of us are defensive in this world- it's a mode of survival.
whole time Hailey and Kylie were promoting Kylie's new mascara and it was Selena liking and commenting on tiktoks that are directly/indirectly adding fuel to the fire or are directly related to hailey. even following some of the creators.
The text "this was an accident??" shows otherwise
@@ouijdanaitaomar5132 The thing is, Kylie didn't even write "this was an accident" text. The person who first made a TikTok about Kylie's eyebrow post "shading" Selena (probably a Selena fan) was the one who wrote that text refering to Kylie's post! That fan was trying to say "was this Kylie's post of her eyebrows an accident?". That's the craziest thing to me! People literally used that text as a "proof" that Kylie was talking about Selena, when in reality Kylie wasn't the one who wrote it! The TikTok was shared millions of times and voila - the damage was done!
People need to be more careful about stuff they see and believe online.
42:24 one of my (ex-)tumblr mutuals onc e reblogged a post about how he would never participate in online harassment because you never know what someone's going through, how many other people are harassing them, if any claims about their behavior are true, etc. and then the next day he told someone to kill themself over warrior cats fanfiction
Never in a million years would I have guessed what the end of this comment was. over WARRIOR CATS?
the subway surfers and slime was incredibly funny but also SO SO UPSETTING FOR NO REASON 😭
I think people are seeing Hailey and her friends as mean girls because they’re women who come from a wealthy background and praised for their unattainable beauty, which reminds us of the mean girls(popular girls) we experienced growing up with their drive to their popularity being their beauty, which made their bad behavior more acceptable. I think a lot of people in school growing up didn’t have the influence to actually speak against the mean girls, so it feels satisfying for people because now they can finally speak against “mean girls” through the internet. Selena Gomez could easily get away with her bad behavior(actively fueling the fire to the Hailey hate and writing unnecessary comments under hateful videos about Justin or Hailey often praising the user) because she didn’t necessarily come from a wealthy background but also for a lot of people the Selena they remember is the Disney channel Selena, but any body can be a mean girl, even if they don’t fit the stereotype.
Omg yes! Girls who feel “wronged” by the popular crowd often become unpopular mean girls (like Janis Ian). Girls who don’t think they can be mean girls because they were bullied by girls who fit the stereotype Moe than them. 😷 And I’ve seen adults act this way. It’s really sad that people will use something that happened to them in high school as an excuse to be shitty people as adults
Yeah, also i think people r more attached to their childhood nostalgia of jelena and still want that to be endgame so theyll do anything
You are absolutely, “mean girls “ don’t have a type anyone can be a bully. In the movie mean girls, Janice is technically a mean girl even though she doesn’t fit the mold like Regina.
@@NicoletteParra as someone who was bullied by Janis mean girls and Regina mean girls, the Janis’s are so much worse. The self righteous behavior and victim complexes they have about their mean girl actions are gross. I’m convinced those girls would become out in the open mean if they fit the societal mould.
I think Selena having a human/imperfect response to what was obvious public bullying of her was not "bad behavior." The other girls did something bad, that garnered response, not just from Selena, but the entire internet. But the venomous response from the internet has been unjustified for a long time now.
It makes me sad how far people go honestly, the idea that because you were bullied gives you the right to dox and harass or bash someone who gives off “vibes” makes me physically ill. As someone who was bullied I used to hold preconceived notions about people who were prettier than me, more talented then I was, or more popular than me I got to know someone who was a beautiful talented social butterfly ( who I thought would bully me relentlessly) and she’s actually one of my best friends. I think this whole thing is people blowing things out of proportion, taking matters into their own hands thinking they’re serving justice when really no honey your not, you’re probably making someone feel bad, this is also super common with people in the public eye is that everything they do is watched so carefully because they are put on such a high pedestal as a basically a deity someone worshipped into oblivion and honestly people forget how much of everyone is actually just human
Such a great video! I really wonder what the end goal of some Selena fans are. Like do they want her to get back with her boyfriend from when she was nineteen? I wouldn't wish that on anyone
It is truly a weird mixture of pathetic and terrifying that so many fully grown adults will so, so gleefully partake in mass scale harassment and bullying with the smallest fig leaf of perceived justice in their actions.
Great video! I kinda think we should bring back story time vids instead of filming people in public and posting it online. There’s an emerging genre of post that’s like “this person looked at me weird in public” and commenters proceed to tear apart the person’s appearance and character, all for a 10 second clip where they weren’t smiling (I’ve noticed this happens a lot with women, and posted under the guise of “girls need to support girls” when in actuality it’s enforcing mass punishment on someone for not “looking right” in a public space)
Yep! Seems to have even escalated from there in the months since... Now we have people reading private texts over a stranger's shoulder in airport lounges, wildly misinterpreting what they see, and starting a massive TT outrage campaign over it... with real mental harm to their targets & those people's families. Completely oblivious to the fact that "WTF, you were invading someone else's privacy in a really creepy way? How does that make you a hero??"
Asides from indulging into being an asshole under the guise of avenging someone else, I think a lot of the crazy internet lashings also stem from a little thing called DISPLACED AGGRESSION, which is taking our anger out on someone or something that did not play a role in initiating the feeling. It's actually an easy (and nasty) way to relieve stress. For example: Your boss treats like like shit > you go home and take it out on your kids. It's usually a hierarchical thing, where someone more powerful/stronger/richer/bigger treats someone like shit, makes them feel helpless about it, and so the person on the receiving end doesn't know how to deal with those feelings of fear/helplessness/unfairness, and so tries to "restore" the balance by abusing in turn someone less powerful/weaker/poorer/smaller than them. And the thing with the anonymity of the internet, is that you can go against anyone (above our below you) with very little risk.
It's basically people who never learned to self-regulate their emotions. And that's why they do it, but also why they feel "entitled" to do it.
Really good observation!! The apparent total lack of human empathy & self-reflection involved in such dogpiling is also damn scary, esp. given these actions are allegedly motivated by feelings "on behalf" of a supposed bullying victim?
Wuthering Heights is the first time I came across the word ‘Cullen’ being used in a novel, and have wondered if that’s where Stephanie Meyer came up with the family name for her vampires.
Just throwing this out there, into the void.
Love the video btw, the artistry you cultivate is incredible!
Very likely, classics are a part of Twilight, I think in book 3 they specifically mention Wuthering heights
I suspect but If she did, then she must have Had a very different Take on that book than i Had. I Love wuthering heights, but it's the depiction of the most toxic Family i have ever read, including a "romance" that is clearly harming everyone involved.
And then Bella goes and thinks "im Like Catherine, uwu". Girl, Catherine was stuck between a nice Guy and an abusive, obsessive piece of garbage. The garbage being her real Love. you Sure you want to liken him to your hot Vampire? 😂
imo, things like that stadium mean girls thing should never be posted publicly, as it is not the internets business, its them and the other girls business to talk it out. it feels pretty shitty that the girl who was photobombed posted it, put sad music under it and didnt blur faces !! thats not ok, be mature and dont leave it to the internet to give you way too much sympathy
That's what I was gonna say too. Selena Gomez is known to initiate such drama (she constantly comments on Hailey Bieber tiktoks) and then plays as a victim and tells others to stop. Bullying is bad, obviously and so is self victimizing and garnering sympathy while the mobs jump on bullying the bully.
I'm having this same exact thought and having a dilemma about it. While I don't think Jackie anticipated the attention her vid would receive and the consequences that would eventually follow, she was the one who ultimately posted the video...
You can’t blame her for how the public reacted. There’s like thousands of videos of Karen’s of all races acting out on the internet whether it’s berating a retail employee or pulling out a gun on a stranger. It is up to individual people on the internet to conduct themselves maturely
The other day I went to Dylan Mulvaney's TH-cam and found so much hate, just shameless berating from strangers. I wanted to see the difference so popped on over to Colleen Bellinger's TH-cam and so much self righteous demands for accountability or self immolation 🤷 who knows.
The world has gone to hell in a hand basket.
@@idongesitx1873that doesnt mean that you shouldnt try to midigate that reaction as an influencer. you cant know how every single person on the internet will react, but you can definitely recognise trends. this could have been avoided altogether if the original poster had blurred out the girls faces or just not posted about it at all. i just think its so weird to post random ppl in the first place, no matter what they're doing. a single mean action is not bullying, and most ppl would just go home after that experience with the thought "wow that sucked, those ppl were mean" and get over it, not post it on the internet for pity
I remember when the taylor swift thing went down with Kim and Kanye. I was confused why everyone was so outraged. Even if she had lied (which we now know she didn't) it doesn't affect you? These people are strangers. The reaction was just SO disproportionate.
Being a bullying victim whose bully's *main thing* was isolating me from other people by getting me to act out *at them* and making me out to be the bad guy in every situation, the way some people talk about public shame and accountability is actively triggering. It's been a good few years now, but a sudden blow-up of callouts and social policing in my hobby and social circles actually triggered a psychotic episode so bad I was hospitalised, and it's taken years of work to isolate my reaction back then as being derived from that trauma of having someone wield social power over me and *never see comeuppance for it*, instead being the one who all the "righteous comeuppance" was visited to -- being made to be the villain in a situation where my only crime had been "being awkward and not knowing how to make friends".
The degree to which people think we can use bully tactics to get rid of bullies, and the degree to which people think social ostracisation, public pillorying and reputational damage can *do good* is actively horrifying to me. So many people haven't unpacked their need to be a hero, or at least the need for there to be a villain -- *so many people* think persistent negative attention is a *better* punishment than being forgotten, pushed out of positions of power, and losing influence. Because those people who truly are "the villains" of real-life *do not care* if the attention they get is positive or negative. Attention is power, and they will spin it to their advantage. And those people who are the kind I'd identify with... well, you've simply fed someone into the social media woodchipper for your pleasure and called it "justice". It's very tiring.
Internet, and modern algorithm-driven social media more acutely, have revealed that we live in a culture that derives much of its power over people from abuse. Dunk culture, cancelling, internet mobs, call it whatever you want, what it is is people reveling in social power over other people and not caring about the consequence because *they* are experiencing catharsis. I'm not immune to it, either. But more and more, my stance is shifting towards it being inherently immoral to derive pleasure and catharsis from the suffering of real people. Go read a fucking book. Play a violent video game. I can't in good conscience live in a world where the worst instincts I developed being bullied as a kid that resulted in me being a bully myself in my early adulthood are dispersed into the ether as justice and righteousness.
I grew up when the internet was edgy, I saw a lot of really heinous stuff but the people then knew they were the bad guys taking it too far and doxxing. The thing that troubles me most is how morally righteous the people doxxing are today, its hard to grow from something if you think you didn't do anything wrong.
It never fails to surprise me the way people see one instance of a very very small amount of bullying and think it’s the worst thing ever. i’ve literally been harassed and threatened at schools, bullied every single day, so it just shows how most of the people who attack these “bullies” have never seen real bullying in their lives.
Also history is repeating itself like Taylor VS Kim, Britney VS Christina, and Hilary VS Lindsay.
A country singer (at the time) vs a reality tv star? Lol wut
@@falconeshield They're talking about the phone call situation between Kim/Kanye and Taylor
But Kim did a very shitty thing to Taylor so I say it’s very much deserved 🤷♀️
@@Taylorc0de taylor definitely caught more flack because people *thought* she lied when she didnt. its ridiculous no one cared except taylor swift fans when it was found out kim straight up lied. when taylor was right was trending, it was really just swifties and to this day, people still believe she lied on kanye. crazy.
@@kidawesomeness123 i agree
Taylor doesn’t deserve any of this bullshit 😭
It’s so crazy people believe anything media throws at them
Kim and Kanye are fucking disgusting for putting her through so much bs since she was 19 FUCKING 19
A literal teen
Like how gross you have to do that for some clout😭
ppl who thinking doxxing strangers on the internet for being 'mean girls' still have yet to accept that the ppl who bullied them irl have moved on and are living their best lives whilst they sit at home and project onto random women on the internet.
you summarized it very well
Exactly. I was pointlessly cruel to the girls that were even a little mean to me in high school just because I didn’t like being shunned, and now I only wish those girls don’t still hate me because what I said was 10x worse than anything they did.
i mean... how does that help them? it just points out that they're at home still suffering and the people that hurt them aren't.
Great story telling. Insightful. Observant
she’s on her contrapoints vibe!! this was so well researched and well done. i got a few AP english flashbacks but it was so worth it.
Bruh, Selena fans calling Hailey a mean girl as if their idol doesn't have a long history of drama she may or may not have caused is ironic and I think the only reason she gets away with throwing stones and hiding her hands is her performative feminism. "Women support women" and I'm going to support this tiktoker trashing my ex's wife. "I support equality" but I'm also going to ask what's the point of BLM. "Hey look at me cheer on these models!" But please don't look at my history of attacking models and actresses who were dating or were seen with my ex.
What i learned from Selena and her Goonies is that all you need to do is act nice, but not actually be nice.
Mean girls like Selena are the worst because they’re so good at playing the “wholesome girl next door” card that people are more likely to excuse or overlook their mean girl behavior. Speaking from experience as someone who’s been bullied by Hailey and Selena types
Assume the best of people, not the worst. Itll be easier to forgive the imperfections of humanity. And easier to live amongst ourselves and each other.
This is one of the most spot on things I’ve seen. She has so much drama surrounding her but her cultish fans will go ahead and destroy another persons mental health completely so their queen Selena would look better
Don't forget her Devout Christian Good Girl image 🥺🙏 Which imo plays into the whole look nice but don't actually be nice thing. I know some Christians really are kind people, but living in the Bible Belt has taught me first hand a lot of pretty woman have become very good at weaponizing this.
I feel like many of us that have been burned by the "nice girl" act can spot it; while many others overlook it.
As someone who was also bullied in high school, i fully agree with your point abt support over revenge. The people i remember most fondly are those who'd hang out with me or occasionally invite me out. Seeing people doxx strangers doesn't help me heal in any way, shape or form
I really appreciate the work you put into the “b-roll” scenes, it’s always so detailed
Edit: (quotations bc I feel like b-roll sounds dismissive, bc it’s like a whole scene and not just a time lapse of construction sites and major roadways)
I find it interesting and deeply comforting that under almost all of your videos people use “I feel” statements, and actual “I feel” statements not just precursors to soften a statement right after that’s negative. I feel like you’re making little ripples of change here and it’s really honestly wonderful to see
As someone who hates being filmed or photographed without my consent, I actually dont think the girls were acting out of line. The filming did seem excessive, and the owner seemed to center the girls in the background. Did they act rudely, yeah, but that lady was also just filming them with no respect for their consent either to be filmed. And like Shanspeare mentioned, I dont mean short films or randos in a picture. That lady filmed them long enough to get several responses from them. She could have also readjusted her camera so they wouldnt be in the shot.
I agree. She showed their faces long enough for people to literally find both their socials and their addresses, I would have just stopped and asked if they were uncomfortable with the filming
Yeah I don’t know how I would react. If you asked her politely to not record you she would probably still post about how “mean” you were for having a problem with her video lol
people enjoy any opportunity to be violent towards women with no consequences.
I always tell people the only prerequisites to receiving the treatment that Amber Heard got are being a woman and being disliked.
If you can convince people not to like a woman then you can say she flies around on broomsticks and drinks virgins blood and people will believe you. People will rally to burn her figuratively (or literally, depending on where you live)
I’m not saying Hailey is a perfect person, but neither is Selena. We don’t actually know what celebrities are like. I feel like Selena’s “kindness” can sometimes also be some type of act… actual kind people aren’t always talking about how kind they are. Don’t get me wrong I love her work, she’s very smart and talented but that doesn’t mean she needs to be idealized and made to sound absolutely perfect.
Yeah i feel like everyone portrays her as picture perfect
I mean you gotta remember Selena also has bipolar disorder. I think people demonise her too much, she's no saint though. We obviously don't know her irl, but looking at her instagram comments sometimes is really hard. I agree with you though, imo the "drama" was just people pitting women against each other and Selena should've said something to her fans earlier....
nice people show their truest intentions throughout their actions, while fake nice people constantly talk about how nice they are when showing the total opposite of being a nice person.
This video just shows how toxic and delusional some fandoms can be. Yes maybe there was something, we will have never have the real and final confirmation cause we DO NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE. However everything that followed proved to me that people just like excuses to indulge in their sadistic instincts
This looks absolutely scrumptious, cant wait to rewatch this tomorrow haha
The subway surfers 😭😭😭😭 But seriously you put so much effort into each video, and its always so impressive how you incorporate literature into things like internet drama!
the moment you said Jelena my skin started to break out in hives. that said this video is so well done, even though i have no idea what's going on or what you're talking about god bless
So beautiful 🥹I was holding back tears at the end. Just thinking about how much it would have meant if just one person would have stood in solidarity with me when getting verbally abused by classmates. Sometimes that extra back up is just the boost of confidence you need to take on the bully yourself. In this type of sadistic cycle, our silence and/or refusal of support plays a role in allowing this type of behavior to continue. I only hope for a day where we lead with kindness and care instead of destruction and hate 🙏🏽🙏🏽💔
yeah, the videos that people claimed were clear digs at selena gomez seemed like a huge reach to me. also, on the topic of vengeance, I myself have been spiteful and vengeful against horrible people (abusive relationship stuff). I still had moral boundaries around my vengeance. I just cursed them because I was super into witchcraft at the time, but not death curses or anything like that. it was more feel guilty and have bad skin. it was an outlet, but I didn't feel that much better and it still ate me up every day. and then I found people who actually supported and validated me and then I did feel better and now I'm in a much better place emotionally.
Yeah, sadly the online revengers who follow the "eye for an eye" principle so righteously sadly seem to have missed the corollary to that saying, i.e. "...makes the whole world blind"? 😬
I'm really glad you got to a better place yourself & found genuinely supportive people to be with!
Thank you for the spider warning! I would have thrown my tablet across the room. I love creators who support us arachnophobes! Eternally grateful!
Brilliant video as always! I feel old knowing so little about these people, but *thankful* to have made it thru HS before most ppl had internet. Someone could only be mean to your face. Or behind your back, but only in groups of 2-6ish.
You deserve a more insightful comment, but the algo should be fed ASAP ❤
half way through the video but omg the production quality of this video. The intro had me gagged. Not to mention the sludge/subway surfers gameplay was so funny. This is the best commentary channel on TH-cam. You always go above and beyond.
well some people are living their "death note" fantasy
(more like the power trip of inflicting punishment for people who seem like they deserve it, not the whole killing ppl lol )
“Insert Edgy Quotes of Frank Castle here”
(Even though I like Antiheroes)
Ima need to get details on how the random splitscreens work
*sigh* Like so; so many other things, “You’re not doing it to help anyone. You’re doing it because it make YOU feel good.” Thanks for this vid. ❤
your videos are always so interesting and engaging, you don't need the split screen with subway surfers and slime; you're engaging on your own. it kind of brought me out of the video and i had to cover that half of the screen so i could focus on what you were saying.
JUST WANTED TO SAY I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!!!
Clapback culture and the anonymity social media provides makes this so much worse. Add parasocial relationships that make people feel like you they know celebrities personally. Eventually they feel like they can say whatever they want to people they don't know. It becomes a competition to see who can be the meanest in the coolest way possible way.
I’m only 10mins in but the production, the credit scenes, all of it is so good❤
been brooding on the extreme rise in internet hate and bullying in the age of tik tok, it’s so scary and dystopian. thank u for this vid!! as always, a hit!!
Hey Shan! Great video as always. As I was watching this I thought about what you said about haters online projecting their own experiences with bullying on to “mean girls” and it made me think of another factor in this equation that should be pointed out: the fact that there is no systematic/structural way for school bullying for example to be stopped. If you tell your parents or your teachers and they try to do something about it the bullying just gets worse. Bullies’ parents often enable such behavior, don’t care about correcting their kids or just cannot get their kids to stop. It’s strange to me how this is such a universal problem, from USA to South Asia to Africa to Europe, and so far I haven’t heard of an effective way for institutions to deal with it. Of course it’s important to tell the individuals to not go on internet hate tirades, but we also need to call out our school systems for failing us as impressionable kids.
Ps if anyone has effective anti bullying policies at their schools please do share, I’d love to hear about them!
i hate how closely girls examine each others’ behaviors waiting for a reason to check each other while men are never scrutinized to the same extent. there is no such thing as a “mean boy”
“She saves her energy for loving me and allows the rest to happen if it needs to” such beautiful words to describe a beautiful friendship. It really is the intimate love and support of my friends that has gotten me through some really rough interactions with really mean people. I won’t lie, when the whole baseball TikTok situation came up on my feed I felt gratified knowing those girls were punished for making someone feel so ashamed and embarrassed in a way that I felt in my core, dredged up from past memories of being made to feel that way myself. It really is this mix of projection and animalistic vengeance that calls us to tear people apart like this.
that last section really made me think, like how your friend asks how you would like to be comforted before just resorting to revenge for you, in cases like selena and hailey are their fans really fighting for them? defending them? or are they just co-opting their (potential) feelings on the situation and how much does that say about how much they really love these celebrities ?
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I have a bff exactly how you describe at the end of the video and my life has been vastly improved since I met her in 2003. She always listened and spoke fondly to others about her special access to my personal “rants”, like our closeness and friendship was an honor. What an absolute amazing person, I wish every woman can experience a true bff. When they say they’ll always be there, there’s never been more truth in the world 💓
Your points are great! on a side note, I think the side video is both hilarious and terribly distracting. . . .I'm not sure how I feel.
I was angry and bitter for years after a traumatic situation in my past. I wished death upon the person involved. Let me tell you, I was not able to fully heal from that trauma until I let go of my desire for revenge.
Years later, after I had let go, I got to talk to the person I was so mad at. The things I and others had done to enact revenge on them had severely hurt not only them but the kid sister of their partner.
Believe me when I say that the desire for complete, eye for an eye revenge, will stifle your recovery at best and repeat the cycle of abuse at worse.
the subway surfers side-by is foul 💀
I still have dreams about being bullied sometimes, even though I've seen these people since and I can tell that they aren't those people anymore. It's tough to know I need to let go of those people who don't even really exist anymore. Or even if they are the same, that it's not worth not moving on with my own life when they have
at this point, people just need an excuse to harass women publicly and falsely justify their actions
they want the satisfaction of being mean but dont want their beliefe that theyre a good person to be challeged, thus the cognitive dissonance is solved by engaging in a behaviour online where
a) they dont have to see the effects of their actions in real time and receive instant feedback from the person theyre harming or the response of other people around them
b) no one will hold them accountable because they are one of a million people doing the exact same thing
c) they can be as sadistic as they want cause the situation isnt *real* to them. theyre removed from the reality because its an abstract scenario presented in 1080p on apps meant for entertainment
i actually said nothing new so yes ditto you made good words thank you 😂😂
I've noticed the same thing. And it's interesting how people are focused on mean GIRLS, even though boys and men are just as mean and have more power to harm others. It's typically marginalized people, not just women, who get singled out for being "abusive," and, therefore, deserving of punishment. And the bad behavior of one marginalized person is then generalized to all people in that category - hence the belief that "mean girl" behavior is primarily "female problem," leaving the men who engage in this behavior untouched. It may feel like "justice" to attack someone who has done something wrong, but, most of the time, this behavior only reinforces the systems that lead to injustice in the first place by redirecting anger towards the powerless.
The twang edit was so relatable.
And thank you for the Jordan Never Did That Move inclusion.