I love the tone Nizzahon gives when he says "I get a lot of push back on this one.". I'm sure it's a follow up from his teaching days telling the class "Don't do this on your paper or exam...it won't boost your grade." Then the class does it anyway
Something even worse about the incubator you didn't mentioned, IF there was huge powerful creature theme then it is likely your opponent would also be playing the creature type as well. The incubator is symmetrical. So in the "best case" there is a powerful creature type that everyone want to play, you pay 3 and now your opponent's creatures suddenly are 2 cheaper. You help them kill you faster. Or on the flip side, there is a creature theme, but they suck. So you make them cheaper but you still aren't likely to be winning.
I drafted Swiftfoot Boots because I pulled Herald of Eternal Dawn and the possibility of assembling that combo in limited was just too amusing to pass up. And y'know what? The one time I managed to assemble it, I still lost. (If you don't know, Herald of Eternal Dawn has a line that reads "you can't lose the game and your opponents can't win the game--" or something very similar).
Enchantments and Artifacts that don't add to the board, seem horrible in limited usually. Especially with how aggressive so many formats have been this year.
@epg9274 Its last ability is a triggered ability. (edit - YT decided not to add any space between the auto-inserted @ and the first letter I typed, and I didn't see that until after I hit send. This site is remarkably well-constructed!)
Reenact is expensive too right? Like, 4 mana is not cheap. How often are people casting real spells worth more than 4 mana? Not surprising it's bad. I think it's interesting that a lot of these cards superficially look good to a certain type of player - lots of them are grindy, go-long effects that would pay off in the long term. That's something I speculate a lot of newer/less experienced/more casual players like, which probably means they end up in the hands of less skilled players and hence look even worse. Selection bias, basically.
You probably get this frequently, but I appreciate how you take what could be a completely subjective opinion video and use tons of research to turn it into something much more objective. Anyone could make a 'Worst Cards of 2024' list, but in your case, I know it's a solid look at limited in 2024 and not a card that annoyed you back in June.
Ran into someone trying to make Dazzling Theatre/Prop Room AND Grievous Wound work at one of my DSK pre-releases. Needless to say it did not go well for them.
Thank you. I was making adjustments to my Ally/Eldrazi Cube yesterday and was considering cutting Swiftfoot Boots but was on the fence because "what if Ulamog." Your video confirmed to me exactly what I was starting to notice
I'm not arguing at all - numbers don't lie - but I'm genuinely curious about prop room - there weren't enough survivors for the free tapping for convoke to work out?
The survivors overall were just bad - there were like 3 good ones and that's it. Also, there were just many, many better ways of turning on survival than this room.
Convoke does little to nothing on random limited 4cmc cards, once you have 1 or less cards on hand you are better off just attacking, and giving vigilance to your board on an enchantment is not great. The survivor deck was just really bad, there were very few ways to tap your creatures consistenly (and this isn't one, once you are out of spells this is useless) and the payoffs were mostly bad to mid.
@sallomon2357 that's such a shame - the flavour of the survival mechanic is wonderful, and I know they were underpowered, but I didn't realise it was another unplayable archetype, like tapping in Wilds or Otters in BB
It tricks players into paying mana and other resources for it twice. Even if you have a decent board before you cast it, you're potentially taking two whole turns off from developing your board further, whether it's sinking mana into pseudo-vigilance or skipping attacks to cast a creature by using convoke.
Kellan Joins Up isn't even giving you a discount. What it does is let you cast a 3 mana spell in your hand for WUG, but a turn later. At best that's tempo negative and mana neutral. What you're getting is tacking the legendary creature buff onto a spell in exchange for casting it a turn later.
Phyrexian arena in my Bloodthirsty Conquerror / Unstoppable Slasher deck is quite efficient ! Constructed Standard is fun with those infinte drain combo of the conquerror and the fighting game is the slasher's delight
I played at a local Foundations prerelease event. My opponent played Etali, Prinal Storm and attached Swiftfoot Boots to it. I had a Quakestrider Ceratops in play. He was eventually forced to chump attack with Etali just to get the attack trigger, and i went on to win that game. Proves you right, just because something is great in Commander doesn't mean it translates well into a Limited environment.
I use Another Round in a modern life-gain deck that abuses Delney, Streetwise Lookout. It does tend to come in clutch about half the time, but the other half, it sits in my hand or is a terrible top deck.
Ripples of undeath is one of the worst cards ever maybe. 3 mana and 3 life and wait an entire turn just to replace itself. If your betting on waiting multiple turns to get value your going to lose in the time being. Honestly, I think it's the life loss that really makes it bad.
The only cards here that see any competitive play are Primal Prayers because the Greenbelt Rampager infinite combo is actually somewhat playable in Modern Naya Energy (but Boros Energy is just better) and Swiftfoot Boots which sees some play in legacy and vintage artifacts toolbox decks as a 1 of
This might be the last of your videos I ever watch. I’ve quit playing magic for the first time since 1993. Just can’t really get behind the company’s blatant disregard for everyone except rich commander players
The game has really become a “take what you want from it” game. I was so bummed on UB stuff, but I also loved LCI,MH3, Bloomburrow, Foundations etc. Gotta take the good with the bad.
Try homebrewing your own cards and limited formats. It’s a great way to spice up the game without paying anything, and allows you to take some ownership of the game back.
Urza's incubator seems like it was tailor-made for colorless commanders. Name a creature type something like "construct" (many colorless artifact creatures are constructs) and get a discount which potentially enables some shenanigans (like maybe you can sacrifice something for it's full CMC value but cast it back for discounted price, like old sliver engine). it's often talked how colorless commanders are tough to play because colorless options to do usual commander stuff are often inefficient, so here's your answer how to make them efficient.
As a colorless commander player, this card is only good in my colorless deck because I run 30+ Eldrazi. You need to run a ton of the same creature type to make it viable. And colorless ramps amazingly, so being able to do things "inefficiently" isn't much of an issue. Colorless got a lot of good cards this year. But as far as Urza's Incubator, I'd never look at it in limited.
@ Oh I assure you that this has nothing to do with trying to be original. It comes from a complete lack of maturity. -- I assure you that most people who say stuff like this are either 12 or completely aware that it’s ridiculous/stupid/juvenile. Pointing this out will only encourage me. 😂
The worst card is the one I have on my hand and the best card is the one on my opponent's hand.
This hit hard lol
Which are secretly the same card
When arena decides you need to lose a few... Dozen.
😂😂😂😂
Oh, look its my starting hand
I love the tone Nizzahon gives when he says "I get a lot of push back on this one.". I'm sure it's a follow up from his teaching days telling the class "Don't do this on your paper or exam...it won't boost your grade." Then the class does it anyway
Something even worse about the incubator you didn't mentioned, IF there was huge powerful creature theme then it is likely your opponent would also be playing the creature type as well. The incubator is symmetrical. So in the "best case" there is a powerful creature type that everyone want to play, you pay 3 and now your opponent's creatures suddenly are 2 cheaper. You help them kill you faster. Or on the flip side, there is a creature theme, but they suck. So you make them cheaper but you still aren't likely to be winning.
And in MH3, there was obviously just that kind of creature type: Eldrazi, which everybody was always playing.
YO! I didn't even see that at first. It reminds me of how I found out Preistess of Titania was symmetrical too XD.
I drafted Swiftfoot Boots because I pulled Herald of Eternal Dawn and the possibility of assembling that combo in limited was just too amusing to pass up. And y'know what? The one time I managed to assemble it, I still lost.
(If you don't know, Herald of Eternal Dawn has a line that reads "you can't lose the game and your opponents can't win the game--" or something very similar).
I always finish your videos feeling like I've learnt something. And I've been playing for 2 decades. Good on you.
Enchantments and Artifacts that don't add to the board, seem horrible in limited usually. Especially with how aggressive so many formats have been this year.
The best card has to be the r/g common eldrazi bomb from mh3, just from the fact that it's a common.
Stormsplitter is terrible but its flavor text is hilarious
Very fun card in constructed formats, too! Love that little guy.
I did actually win with it in limited combined with the otter that gives other creatures prowess
i remember at my DSK prerelease i pulled 3 entire copies of Grievous Wound. that was what made me decide to quit doing prereleases
I opened two copies of dazzling theater if I remember correctly. Didn't play either of them and ended up doing rather well
any idea what 3 of them on the same player would do?
@epg9274 Its last ability is a triggered ability.
(edit - YT decided not to add any space between the auto-inserted @ and the first letter I typed, and I didn't see that until after I hit send. This site is remarkably well-constructed!)
I remember being pissed at opening two Dazzling Theater // Prop Room in a sealed with my friends.
Reenact is expensive too right? Like, 4 mana is not cheap. How often are people casting real spells worth more than 4 mana? Not surprising it's bad.
I think it's interesting that a lot of these cards superficially look good to a certain type of player - lots of them are grindy, go-long effects that would pay off in the long term. That's something I speculate a lot of newer/less experienced/more casual players like, which probably means they end up in the hands of less skilled players and hence look even worse. Selection bias, basically.
You probably get this frequently, but I appreciate how you take what could be a completely subjective opinion video and use tons of research to turn it into something much more objective. Anyone could make a 'Worst Cards of 2024' list, but in your case, I know it's a solid look at limited in 2024 and not a card that annoyed you back in June.
Ran into someone trying to make Dazzling Theatre/Prop Room AND Grievous Wound work at one of my DSK pre-releases. Needless to say it did not go well for them.
Kona+fishing pole=best boi bringing dinner lol
Yum, grilled Valgavoth 😆
23:45 missed the synergy with fishing rod. 😢
Unfortunately, they weren't in the same set so you can only play them together in constructed.
Thank you. I was making adjustments to my Ally/Eldrazi Cube yesterday and was considering cutting Swiftfoot Boots but was on the fence because "what if Ulamog." Your video confirmed to me exactly what I was starting to notice
I'm not arguing at all - numbers don't lie - but I'm genuinely curious about prop room - there weren't enough survivors for the free tapping for convoke to work out?
The survivors overall were just bad - there were like 3 good ones and that's it.
Also, there were just many, many better ways of turning on survival than this room.
Convoke does little to nothing on random limited 4cmc cards, once you have 1 or less cards on hand you are better off just attacking, and giving vigilance to your board on an enchantment is not great.
The survivor deck was just really bad, there were very few ways to tap your creatures consistenly (and this isn't one, once you are out of spells this is useless) and the payoffs were mostly bad to mid.
@sallomon2357 that's such a shame - the flavour of the survival mechanic is wonderful, and I know they were underpowered, but I didn't realise it was another unplayable archetype, like tapping in Wilds or Otters in BB
It tricks players into paying mana and other resources for it twice.
Even if you have a decent board before you cast it, you're potentially taking two whole turns off from developing your board further, whether it's sinking mana into pseudo-vigilance or skipping attacks to cast a creature by using convoke.
Kellan Joins Up isn't even giving you a discount. What it does is let you cast a 3 mana spell in your hand for WUG, but a turn later. At best that's tempo negative and mana neutral. What you're getting is tacking the legendary creature buff onto a spell in exchange for casting it a turn later.
Phyrexian arena in my Bloodthirsty Conquerror / Unstoppable Slasher deck is quite efficient !
Constructed Standard is fun with those infinte drain combo of the conquerror and the fighting game is the slasher's delight
Fishing pool was fun with the elf that grew each time Another creature entered.
I played at a local Foundations prerelease event. My opponent played Etali, Prinal Storm and attached Swiftfoot Boots to it. I had a Quakestrider Ceratops in play. He was eventually forced to chump attack with Etali just to get the attack trigger, and i went on to win that game. Proves you right, just because something is great in Commander doesn't mean it translates well into a Limited environment.
I think people look at Dazzling Theater and think survival. But then survival doesn't pay well.
I use Another Round in a modern life-gain deck that abuses Delney, Streetwise Lookout. It does tend to come in clutch about half the time, but the other half, it sits in my hand or is a terrible top deck.
Was surprised to not see Duskmourn's Domination on here.
It wasn't even close to bad. It had a 55.0% GIH WR.
hey don't disrespect swiftfoot boots it's a crucial card in my custom ww1 inspired set.
There is a fun combo deck with stormsplitter in standard
Nizzahon is king of the card lists!1!
What commander do you play!
I'll admit that I just skimmed this video after the first couple, but the impression I get is that Bloomburrow was above average.
The worst card is the Nadu I pulled while legal and then got back into commander around.
I like the worst card as cards with lowest winrates but I think it would also be interesting to see least picked cards.
Great idea!
Basic land in the pack XD
fishing pole... there is a land that can summon fish, which is way better and lesws costy / time costing that fishing pole :P
Worst card in n 2024: jewelled lotus
Ripples of undeath is one of the worst cards ever maybe. 3 mana and 3 life and wait an entire turn just to replace itself. If your betting on waiting multiple turns to get value your going to lose in the time being. Honestly, I think it's the life loss that really makes it bad.
Gonna have to watch later. Sometimes I can only listen and you aren't giving me the mana cost of anything. 😊
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Progenitus needs to be 1
Worst or the Best?
What's your favourite color,,??
brown.
I suppose that all of the cards shown here were at least decent, if not must-have, in other formats, just not draft or sealed.
The only cards here that see any competitive play are Primal Prayers because the Greenbelt Rampager infinite combo is actually somewhat playable in Modern Naya Energy (but Boros Energy is just better) and Swiftfoot Boots which sees some play in legacy and vintage artifacts toolbox decks as a 1 of
@@RowanNagy97 I've also seen Ripples of Undeath being played, but that's in Gladiator, dunno if you want to count it 👀
I've seen some people playing reenact the crime in Standard
This might be the last of your videos I ever watch. I’ve quit playing magic for the first time since 1993. Just can’t really get behind the company’s blatant disregard for everyone except rich commander players
Cool.
The game has really become a “take what you want from it” game. I was so bummed on UB stuff, but I also loved LCI,MH3, Bloomburrow, Foundations etc. Gotta take the good with the bad.
How have you been playing since 93 and NOT have the cards to be a rich commander player?
Not sure why you're directing this at Nizzahon but okay
Try homebrewing your own cards and limited formats. It’s a great way to spice up the game without paying anything, and allows you to take some ownership of the game back.
Urza's incubator seems like it was tailor-made for colorless commanders. Name a creature type something like "construct" (many colorless artifact creatures are constructs) and get a discount which potentially enables some shenanigans (like maybe you can sacrifice something for it's full CMC value but cast it back for discounted price, like old sliver engine). it's often talked how colorless commanders are tough to play because colorless options to do usual commander stuff are often inefficient, so here's your answer how to make them efficient.
Well he’s talking about loonies not commander
As a colorless commander player, this card is only good in my colorless deck because I run 30+ Eldrazi. You need to run a ton of the same creature type to make it viable.
And colorless ramps amazingly, so being able to do things "inefficiently" isn't much of an issue. Colorless got a lot of good cards this year.
But as far as Urza's Incubator, I'd never look at it in limited.
Nizzabald
What the hell is wrong with you?
@@captainshiner42 don't feed the (miserable) troll. Give him a dislike and move on.
Number 1: Your mom
Very original.
@ Oh I assure you that this has nothing to do with trying to be original. It comes from a complete lack of maturity.
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I assure you that most people who say stuff like this are either 12 or completely aware that it’s ridiculous/stupid/juvenile. Pointing this out will only encourage me. 😂
Maybe limited is just a bad format
???
Why?
Umm, no. You're just a bad deck builder.