On the Elders piece here is a helpful measurement from Curtis Sergeant “Elders are needed once you get to about 10 churches or 100 people”. (At the city or regional level). “If there’s preaching, it will happen at the city church level, where churches come together for more advanced training or equipping.” On the teaching piece “In many movements, there’s an expectation and an accountability for every disciple to consume 25 to 30 chapters of scripture every week… applying it in their life, passing it on to others, and reporting it to their accountability partner.” -- some of the words of wisdom, but I would also recommend same as Matt that anyone get the digital access pass for last year‘s national disciple making forum where Curtis spoke about this.
I appreciate the "pushback" to address quality HC leaders and eldership. The youth ministry outsourcing is a different problem that is going to occur in this HC model and I think that needs more focus and figuring out.
Love the content! One quick comment on immersion baptism: what about making disciples in a desert wasteland without enough water for immersion? This is a reality and a little legalistic to say such a person's baptism with the bit of water they have isn't valid.
When I first became a disciple, we used to be taught, and held accountable for our bible knowledge and putting into practice. Most everyone, including the minister have become individualistic.
Great video. We are finding these same things to be true with the pastors we are walking with as they transition out of the prevailing model to pioneer a movement of disciples and simple churches.
There are no full-time paid pastors in the New Testament. I find making a living off Jesus an unthinkable idea. Certainly not Biblical. Yet full time paid "Christian" ministry workers are numbered in the hundreds of thousands world-wide. The entire lump is indeed leavened as Jesus predicted (Matt 13:33). We live in the Laodicean (earthly riches) church era.
Yes! You read the word to live the word, to share the word!
John Porter said the same thing about contribution. Interesting.
On the Elders piece
here is a helpful measurement from Curtis Sergeant “Elders are needed once you get to about 10 churches or 100 people”. (At the city or regional level). “If there’s preaching, it will happen at the city church level, where churches come together for more advanced training or equipping.”
On the teaching piece
“In many movements, there’s an expectation and an accountability for every disciple to consume 25 to 30 chapters of scripture every week… applying it in their life, passing it on to others, and reporting it to their accountability partner.”
-- some of the words of wisdom, but I would also recommend same as Matt that anyone get the digital access pass for last year‘s national disciple making forum where Curtis spoke about this.
Thank you for pointing this out!
I appreciate the "pushback" to address quality HC leaders and eldership. The youth ministry outsourcing is a different problem that is going to occur in this HC model and I think that needs more focus and figuring out.
Love the content! One quick comment on immersion baptism: what about making disciples in a desert wasteland without enough water for immersion? This is a reality and a little legalistic to say such a person's baptism with the bit of water they have isn't valid.
When I first became a disciple, we used to be taught, and held accountable for our bible knowledge and putting into practice. Most everyone, including the minister have become individualistic.
Great video. We are finding these same things to be true with the pastors we are walking with as they transition out of the prevailing model to pioneer a movement of disciples and simple churches.
Great interview Matt and Kyle
Joey I appreciate it brother. I know this is right up your alley as well!
This is excellent!!
Thanks for a very useful and heart molding dialogue.
Hi a great interview thx. Have you heard of Gene Edwards’s book on elders it explains it well
If the church is not built on the foundation of Jesus. It will fail.
Baptism was never by immersion and water baptism was only for covenant partners (Israel).
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The "great commission" was fulfilled in Paul's day.
There are no full-time paid pastors in the New Testament.
I find making a living off Jesus an unthinkable idea. Certainly not Biblical.
Yet full time paid "Christian" ministry workers are numbered in the hundreds of thousands world-wide.
The entire lump is indeed leavened as Jesus predicted (Matt 13:33).
We live in the Laodicean (earthly riches) church era.