Canon vs Sony vs Nikon vs EVERYONE: Who will survive??
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Tony & Chelsea Northrup check the state of the camera industry in 2022, comparing Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic, Fujifilm and Olympus to see who's winning, who's innovating and who won't survive!
0:00 Introduction
0:17 Squarespace Promo
0:44 Market share rankings
4:40 Pentax Ricoh cameras
6:02 Olympus/OM-Systems cameras
8:30 Panasonic Lumix cameras
11:43 Fujifilm GFX and X-mount cameras
15:56 Squarespace Promo
17:20 Nikon cameras
21:54 Sony alpha cameras
24:54 Canon cameras
27:16 Summary
28:57 Squarespace promo - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I sincerely believe that Canon's decision to lock out third party lens manufacturers will ultimately be their downfall. I say this having used and loved their cameras for over twenty years. Sony really has the edge here.
I'm not sure if it will backfire like that. Anyone looking to purchase his first camera will see the good offerings that canon has for the bodies and at the same will see all that good old EF glass that is selling at really good prices in the second hand market. This is kinda how they get people locked in the echosystem.
It will hurt them, but it won't be their downfall. There's ample EF glass available & the way I know Canon, they will expand their glass rather quickly.
@@alwynsmit3546 I own more EF L glass than anyone I know. The EF lenses all work great with the adaptors.
The decision-making process of people getting into a mirrorless system is cost driven. A Sony system is more compelling because Tamron and Sigma both offer high value high quality lenses at a substantially lower price than Sony.
Canon simply is playing this game with one hand (maybe both) tied behind their back.
Only more proof of what we already knew.....that Canon is EVIL. Second to Crapple by a wide margin, but EVIL just the same.
Years ago I decided to never buy a third party lens. The reason is a perfect shot of Moraine Lake that was totally destroyed by a sigma glass. The mountains are blurred and I sent the lens to Sigma and they said it is „perfect“. I am still mad because I could have made some money on that shot. Even with new photoshop capabilities there is no way to fix that photo.
I am a Nikon user, I think not enough was said about their glass. I think the lenses they have released are phenomenal and are a huge selling point for them. I do definitely think that the auto focus system on the Z series is behind Sony and Canon. I believe they can catch up with it, as they continue to make strides. I am hoping that bodies catch up to the competition, because their lenses are phenomenal. Competition is good, we all win with competition!
Totally agree. I opted for Nikon z7ii because of the glass
All this focus on autofocus (...) is ridiculous. There is more then that. I also have a Nikon Z. But Nikon has to step up on lenses and use the advantages of the huge Z mount.
@@Shaikailash1 they are building them in an order to maintain continuous growth(profit) if they released all the major lenses f1.2 or faster all in the beginning, there would be no draw to f2.8, f1.8, etc. This is all by design. Plus I am sure technically speaking, it takes longer to develop a f1.2 lens for a system then it does for let's say a f2.8.
Agree. I’m sad so many brands are struggling. In my youth I shot with Minolta XD7 and Pentax MX. Later with Sony a700,a850, Canon D5II, Nikon D90, D700, Olympus M5, Fujifilm X100S, Sony a6500 and finally A7C. I never sold any, so I sporadically shoot with them all, from time to time. So fun to be able to enjoy all different types of photography. Sad if only a couple brands survive. No competition, no fun, no diversity!
@@Shaikailash1 Not if you are a wildlife photographer....auto focus is vitaly important.... Don't forget that Chelsea and Tony predominantly shoot wildlife images.
The thing that made Nikon in the past, is that, there is an enormous amount of glass for their F mount system. This F mount system went for about sixty years!! I think people should watch out for Nikon because not only can the new Z mount have F mount glass adapted AND work well but that Nikon is licensing their Z mount tech to third party providers, to produce even more glass moving into the future. The beauty of having all these different lens permutations is that the discerning photographer can get the perfect glass for the job in hand. Also, Nikon has spent a lot of the last 15 months or so making large prime lenses and big zoom telephotos that, I as a hobbyist, could never afford but ones that the Professional Photographic Elites can. So smaller production lines, making higher profit gear, for the people who advertise Nikon … for free, the greatest photographers on Earth!! That is a long term winning strategy.
The thing is that the Nikon adapted lenses don't work nearly as well as Canon EF lenses adapted to RF cameras.
Nikon is the Harley Davidson of cameras.
Interesting to know Sony listen and even take on board negative opinions rather than just boycotting those people. This certainly is one of their major strengths.
I know a US-based photographer who sold her Canon gear, switching to Olympus. She absolutely loves Olympus, particularly for macro insects which she takes hand held with such sharpness I am constantly amazed, as well as beautiful landscape work.
Me too! I had full frame and 16 lenses. Sold everything and bought Olympus. I have a Pen F, and a 5iii, plus a bunch of great lenses. Couldn't be happier.
My only difference between what you’ve said and the elephant in the room is Canon to not let third party companies make accessories for their RF line. I personally dropped Canon from my business and sold all of the Canon gear I had accumulated. Nikon an Sony are not afraid of sharing their products with others in helping make their products more popular and affordable.😮
It's the reason I went with Panasonic instead of a Canon. Had a Canon in the cart ready to buy until I saw that they wouldn't release third party glass.
This is the way to go.
that is one of the reason i switched to Sony. 2 out of the 3 lens i've for my a6600 is not Sony. one is sigma and one is tamron. if i would had bought the sony equivalent, i would had to pay 2x plus one of them is actually lighter and the other is a faster lens. i won't be locked into a system like that.
Why buy an expensive camera just to end up buying cheap lenses? It’s like buying a sports car just to put donut tires. Pro’s never buy third party lenses.
@@Davitor1 you are so incredibly wrong about pros never buying third party lenses lol. That's the most blatantly untrue and easily debunkable statement you could ever make. Your ignorance of the industry is on full display. The days of third party lenses only being entry level are over, they now have mid-ranged priced models with high-end performance and many year warranties.
There are actually people switching from Canon, Nikon etc. Full Frame manufacturers to OM System. Not necessarily for the camera but for the whole system and especially the lenses. MFT lenses are not only smaller and lighter than their full frame counterparts, but regarding long focal lengths, they are also way cheaper. So especially outdoor wildlife photographers are interested in the system and many drop their heavy expensive gear for the much smaller, lighter and less costly OM system.
Also Olympus has had features in their cameras already for years which are now praised when introduced in models of other manufacturers, such as "PreBurst" at the Canon EOS R6 Mark II, which is well known by Olympus users as "Pre Capture" for years.
I have heard Pentax's epitaph for 30 years. Still going. Just got a K3 Mark 3. I'm a happy camper! When I pull out my 30 year old 600mm f5.6 A lens and nail the image, it is mine. I do have more modern lenses, like the stunning 150-450, but the 600mm is a joy to use. My images don't feel like they were synthesized by an AI machine. Pentax users are those who love photography; the experience. Canon/Sony users using their mirrorless systems are missing the deeper connection with their subjects. I have shot both Sony and Canon mirrorless and it simply is not the same experience. You look at a television screen, you get a picture off the television screen. Pentax users are in the mix with their subject.
And Pentax continues to be incredibly innovative. You have TOTALLY missed the boat on Pentax; what planet are you on? Look DEEPLY into the specs of the K3 iii. Too much of what Pentax offers are not offered by other manufactures.
I compete in nature photography with the very best photographers from across my state. Every other camera that enters it is a Sony, Nikon, or Canon. In every category I have competed, birds, general wildlife, macro, I have placed no worse than third. That is one camera system verses dozens of others. Yes, the 'new' camera is no great leap, it's a stop gap. I don't need to buy a new Pentax camera every year because each camera they manufacture provides years of dependable outstanding quality.
What I see from you two is that you have really lost your love of photography as you are so focused on the final product (maybe mostly Tony, at least he has said as much). If you do want to fall in love again with the artistry and intimate nature of photography, switch to Pentax.
You wanted rambling from an insane Pentax user. You have it. Nothing last forever, but beauty survives.
Well said.
Good presentation and discussion. I have been a hobbyist photographer for 40 years. I shoot 20-25 events annually that I get paid for but mostly just for fun. I have owned Minolta, Nikon, Canon, and now Olympus. I typically find that even with the rapidly changing technology, I stay with a system for 10 -12 years minimum. I currently own an Olympus EM1 MIII and EM1 MII with 6 pro lenses. Although expensive, significantly less expensive than what a similar Canon or Sony system would have cost. I shoot high school sports, pet and family portraits (Outdoors) primarily when getting paid. I shoot grand kids, my own pets, and backyard wildlife for fun. I have found that the results I am able to achieve is excellent compared to friends shooting much more expensive kits. Not saying I get better results, simply it would be very difficult to pick out what prints came from me vs some of my photographer friends! With this being said, I like technology as much as anyone. If I had an unlimited budget, I would definitely have a FF system as well. My EM1 MIII with my Olympus 300mm telephoto is an incredible kit at an affordable price!!
Once you have invested in a system it becomes very expensive to change horses. My horse is named Nikon, and I will stay there. I prefer the ergonomics and the handling of the Z- bodies, and I love their lenses, which are outstanding. If you know the quirks of the autofocus system you will forget that it works somewhat better with the Sony or Canon bodies. You always have to die one death.
Well said am switching from nikons because I record video alot and sony lenses are cheaper because of 3rd party support and I can buy more cheaper cameras for my staff of nikon had more options than sure but my 24-70 2.8s for nikon z is amazongg
How true once you have a system it just cost to much to change. I have the Canon system but the rf glass is just so expensive I am disappointed with them for blocking third party glass. But can't change because of the cost!
I have a ton of Nikon f mount glass and 3 , dslrs. I needed better af and Nikon had just come out with the Z9. It for one was impossible to get so I grabbed up a Sony a7siii. I liked it so much I got another and many Sony and Sigma lenses. They are great cameras except for if my clients want higher resolution photos also . ( i shoot live music photography and mostly videography )
So that said I just purchased a Nikon Z9 w/the ftz adapter and a spare battery of course. So pumped to be back into the new breed of Nikon bodies and their future.
I feel Sony could do better on their bodies in quality and performance. Instead they try to give you juuuuuust enough of an upgrade. And spread the models to when you have to have my multiple bodies. The Z9 is the Swiss Army of cameras at a great price. But overall most camera companies do the same as Sony .
IM BACK NIKON ……. but not leaving Sony either. Until I purchased the Sony a7siii, Sony was a bad word in my mouth. But doing the low light video I do , at the moment nothing touches 12,800 base ISO performance. Maybe a Nikon Z6 can get something decent looking close to that ??? Not sure .
The Z9 is supposed to look good for video at iso 6400 I’ve seen . Well I’ll find out soon
Peace Y’all
Had Nikon all my life. Lost confidence in them and bought a Sony A7R4 several months ago. I sleep better these days.
I think the colour science is a huge factor why people pick one brand over another especially if they don’t post process their photos. I would like to experience the Sony brand but I don’t post process to me the end product is a little bleached out, but still I have a thing for them.
Was an early adopter of FF Mirrorless when the Sony A7 gen1 first came out (2013). At the time, there was an anti-Mirrorless ‘backlash’ from DSLR owners. Fast forward almost a decade later and the big 3 all have pro grade mirrorless offerings and all of them are amazing. It’s a great time to be a photographer 👍🏼
I remember the first mirrorless cameras. I couldn’t get over the low res EVF at the time.
Haha, same sentiments here... I bought a Sony Alpha 77 in 2014 and remember the hate I got from my Canon-using friends 🙄
I hear this but I've been a Canon shooter for almost 20 years and I never had any issue with mirrorless. I thought it sounded great but Sony never enticed me at all so I waited until Canon came out with mirrorless then happily switched.
It's weird how some people have this weird phobia of mirrorless.
don’t get me wrong: Mirrorless wasn’t ready for prime time at that time. However, I saw the (inevitable) outcome that mirrorless was the future platform. Just thought it was fascinating to see the ‘religious’ fervor against it. I saw Mirrorless as the evolution of a tool where others saw it as sacrilege 🤷🏼
I remember that too! I’ve been shooting Sony since the a77, and I was impressed with the new mirrorless Sonys when they came out. Seems like everyone talked mad sh*t, but Sony kept doing their thing and innovating until they couldn’t be ignored anymore.
Great, as always, you guys. Fair, balanced, forward-looking. I’m a 35-year pro and I’ve almost completely moved from Pentax to Sony. I will always love and cherish my old brand (their ergonomics, build quality, and overall “feel” will likely never be surpassed), but I still have to make a living. And with clients demanding more, especially video, I just have to move forward. Thanks for pushing me in the right direction!
I hear that. I love to shoot my K1 for fun, but I moved all my client work to the XT4. What Sony are you shooting? I am looking at either moving to Full frame Sony or maybe Canon R5 MK2. Thanks for any advice!
@@mursejoyy A6400, ZV-E10, A7iv, covers all the hybrid bases. May go FX3 (or, dare I say, FX6) if video demand keeps increasing.
How Sony wins, two words: Sigma and Tamron
Exactly
Canikons = mad!
The one that's not surviving is my wallet. Actually I'm the type of poor that doesn't even need a wallet since it has no money to put inside it :')
😂 i totally feel you
Just remember that you used to have to buy film and pay for processing.
@@ThreeCeeProductions Yeah, but poor back then is the same as being poor now. No money = no camera = no expenses. Pro 35mm cameras were quite a bit cheaper than now and photography was worth more so depending on many things it could have been an advantage
Hahahaha hahahaha 🤩🤩🤩🤩😭😭😭😭👏👏👏👏👏👏💞💞💞💞
I'm even owning a wallet to the bank because all my gear is still on a credit, loll
Starting shooting with Pentax as a hobby with my son because of the weather proofing. Started with the K-50s and now the K-70s It's a hobby that brings us together and we enjoy the photos they produce for the car and air shows we attend. I may eventually add another brand, but I don't see ever getting rid of Pentax.
I wouldn't be too worried about what Tony says about Pentax, he has been predicting the demise and getting it wrong for years.
Hello, I am a professional Photographer for about 45 years. In the seventy's and eighties I worked with Nikon(F2, F3, F4 etc. In that time nobody worked with Canon. But when the autofocus and digital systems were coming all my collega's switched to Canon. Nikon was too late with good digital camera's. So I went also to EOS 1 ds 1, 11, 111 and EOS D1 mark 1v. Those camera's were very expensive(7900 euro body) and the weight of the body with a lens was about ca 2 kg was always an issue. In the earlier days you could invest in high end camera's because the body's did not lost much value. But with the quick evaluations of camera's and systems at the moment this is over. So I decided to stop with that high end systems and am going to go for the om system. I have tested that camera and it is amazing what Om Systems has done with that camera. Especially the small lenses are great to work with. and the price is not the biggest problem. So when there is after a few years new one with newer specs I buy a new one.(viva Micro Four Thirds). So, maybe I am one of the few photographers who switch from Canon to MFT. as you say. I like the system.
Always interesting when you guys do this every year. For what it’s worth I bought an OM-1 and am seriously considering selling my Canon gear. I hate (really hate) carrying around lots of gear. I mostly shoot birds and I have an occasionally sore right shoulder as well so the smaller the gear the better. The OM-1 focuses faster and better than any of the mirrorless Canon gear that I have. I haven’t found a way to do dual back button focus on the OM-1 like I can on the Canon mirrorless bodies. I don’t mind the slight hit in IQ from the smaller sensor and being limited to 20mp. I do worry about the company’s longevity though. I don’t have much brand loyalty these days. I will buy what works for my use case.
You are very right Rod, I had the same experience you had with my Nikon gear, bulky and heavy, so I left it aside and bought an OM D MKIII a year ago, a great camera very advanced, great ergonomics and compact and reasonably sized lenses. All in all a great system for the real world.
I enjoy watching this analysis of top camera brands and found it very informative. I would like you to consider doing something similar about the customer service side of all the big name brand cameras. Let's hear how Sony, Nikon, and Canon fare in the after purchase side of things. That might help us make the choice of which camera to go with.
I made the Nikon Choice in 1972 should help you in your decision >> I can recommend Sony Tvs and Canon Printers as users of those products
In addition to being a rugged, compact travel camera, Olympus is trying to differentiate itself by integrating computational photography features into its latest OM-1 (built in ND filters, focus stacking, live composite, high-res, etc.)
I think this one was spot on. One reason that Canon is #1 and changes slower is that they are the preferred camera for working Pro photographers. This market wants the new tech but not have to change their workflow. They don't want to learn a new menu system or button layout. Buy the new camera. Switch the cards and shoot the next day. Reliable with good color science that requires little to no editing straight out of camera. Lens options and compatibility also play a role for the loyal canon buyers,
I enjoy your sit-down discussions. The "mini-van" analogy was spot on!
I feel like half of camera TH-cam is designed to make people perpetually unhappy and miserable with the cameras they have, if I'm being honest. Trashing whatever format, then sh*tting on certain companies that use the format you champion. And then doing a "is photography dead" video after doing that. Like, WTF?
So true. They talk less about photography and more about gearography.
@@fjphoto23 I've been working with MFT and enjoy the lens sizes on even the pro telephoto lenses. In fact, what's kept me using are people on YT who get fantastic shots from any format they use and none of them spend even $5,000. But here, it's constant talking down if you use anything outside the big three.
I think it’s the other way around. I think these videos get popular because people want to believe they can buy their way into better photos.
Meanwhile, the videos/books we make that teach how to take photos and aren’t about gear sit and collect dust because the incremental improvements practice and time produce aren’t as exciting as new gear.
I love my Pentax. However, that is more of my vacation camera. The one I pick you up when I create for myself. Working full-time in the commercial photography and videography business. It’s just not the perfect tool. It’s sad they haven’t done much, but part of me does hope that they become similar to what Leica has done with rangefinders. But with DSLRs.
There’s still no substitute for seeing the subject with your own eye directly like with a DSLR or a rangefinder. Both Leica and Pentax are the two brands I own. I share your hope.
I’m sure my new X-H2s won’t be as fast as the latest Canon’s and Sony’s, but as I managed with a X-H1 up until this point, you’re right as long as Fuji is still around for my next camera in three or four years, it’s all good.
I have been a Pentax photographer since buying a MX in the eighties. I have a K1 ii but recently switched to a Canon R5 (fabulous camera). I have kept my Pentax as a trusty work horse and friend that produces great images. Very sad to see a once proud brand slowly disappear and in a way disloyal when I reach for the R5.
Love your channel. You guys have really interesting discussions. Very enjoyable and introspective content.. Thank you and keep up the great work. Subscribed :D
You forgot to mention Canon’s blocking of third party glass. That rules them out for me.
Yes OM systems is not the top innovator, but it is all about the size. I have $100K worth of Sony stuff but I still pick the OM for a two month trip to Europe for example because it is great to travel with and just get the shots. The greater depth of field even works to advantage as I do not need to stop down as much and thus not increase ISO as much in my travel shooting. I could go on.
The OM-1 isn't much smaller than e.g. Sony A7C. And that is full frame... You still have to carry it in a rather large bag so does it matter? You get far superior image quality.
Loved it. Camera talk is fascinating.👍😊
I've shot Pentax my whole life, starting with the Super Program Plus back in the film days to the current K1 Mark ii. 2 months ago I saw the light that they are taking the route of a slow death as they refuse to update to mirrorless and competitive new models. I have been selling off all my Pentax gear and recently picked up a Panasonic S5 and absolutely love it! I feel bad because in it's day Pentax made some fantastic cameras, unfortunately Pentax has lost their why.
Still sticking with my Pentax gear, although have a few Sony stuff now. Still have faith in Pentax, if it sinks i'll go with it.
Mirrorless is not an upgrade, just a different way of seeing the subject. Looking through the viewfinder of either of my Pentax DSLR’s , I see a greater dynamic range than any EVF.
@@howardkastner5843 You are missing the point. A good EVF shows you what you capture, not what is out there but won't be captured. E.g. you can immediately notice where the image is overexposed. Add to that the various overlay tools (e.g. focus peaking) and you get a more capable device.
@@daran0815 For sure, there are advantages to an EVF, but there are also advantages to seeing the subject with your own eye. One is not inherently better than the other.
@@howardkastner5843 Mirrorless IS an upgrade---you can see the actual exposure before you take the picture and therefore make any necessary exposure adjustments; and it also affords the use of (generally speaking) new and superior lenses.
For a future 3-4 month trip to Italy my wife and I are considering the OM-1 because of the computational photography features like Live ND, Starry Sky AF, Live Composite, High Res Shot and Focus Stacking. Almost forgot the Pro Capture mode! Plus, I love the new menu system from seeing videos and reading the PDF manual.
Also, I got the eBook by Tony Phillips "The Complete Guide To The OM System OM-1" to prepare for my Spring 2023 purchase. Fantastic book!
I am constantly amazed at many of the photos I see coming from the OM-1 camera all over the Web.
Plus, I'm physically-disabled from a military accident, so the lower weight will be much better for us when traveling around with our Pacsafe 45L carry-on bags and a Pacsafe 15L bag inside for day use.
I don't see getting a Micro 4/3 camera as a compromise. With f/1.2, f/1.4, f/1.8 prime lenses people are taking low-light photos that are amazing. Even their f/2.8 lenses deliver quality results.
The Canon R7 and R6 Mark II would have been good choices, but not with lenses that are not weather-sealed like the non-L lenses. It's ridiculous that they cannot weather-seal those lenses. Canon cheaps out on these lenses too much IMHO.
Olympus is unmatched in this world.
price/performance was never good enough to consider this system. Most features aren’t really that useful in everyday photography. image quality is worse on smaller sensors no matter what bullshit influencer might tell you. Smaller pixel need way better glas and you will end up in paying more for less. positive on the system is the sturdy bodies and excellent weather sealing. But for most people the weather sealing on most cameras are more than good enough…
wouldn’t buy at all in that system. an expensive and heavy 1.2 prime on a m43 will give you the same depth AND overall light than a f/2.4 lens on FF…
@@hardywoodaway9912 I just bought a full OM-1 system with four lenses for the price of one R5 and a lens. All Pro glass. Price and weight (esp. on glass) considerations heavily favor Olympus, imho. Image quality is similar under all but a few circumstances and is way overblown for most hobbyists. I came from Canon and Nikon. Computational photography can close much of the gap with full frame, just look at the latest Iphones.
I felt the same way. I moved from a Canon 5D with a whole bag of expensive L glass. Very big and heavy for travel. Under most circumstances image quality will rival most full frame, yet size and weight and cost considerations will always weigh in favor of four thirds. I think there are lots of folks who would be happier but too many the pros drive the discussion. It's a pity, imho.
You two always do a great job and this was a very informative video. Thanks. As a lifelong Nikon guy I'm sad to see them now in third place but I'm too loyal -- and too old -- to even think about switching to one of the new kids on the block. I don't care about doing videos or silently capturing birds in flight and therefore have no reason to give up on my trusty old and very reliable Nikon D850. It takes a fabulous photo! Have yet to find anything to tempt me away.
Suggested discussion: Does AI editing software make the differences among different brands and high end/low end less relevant, or is it on the way to doing that? Until recently, my main photography thing was high school sports. Due to Parkinson's, even with fast shutter speed, I rarely got a shot that was quite focused. With a lot of skepticism, I gave Topaz Sharpen a try and was stunned by some of the results. I got sharper photos with better noise reduction (less loss of detail) and overall improved image quality, maybe as good as higher-end cameras could produce? That's just my experience. I don't claim expertise, but I think new developments in AI editing software could be a significant factor for the camera industry.
Thanks, folks, for this review! I find your insights accurate and insightful. Keep up the great commentary!
I live in the EU and there's this entire group of (mostly older, older millennials to boomers) professionals and enthusiasts who swear by Nikon, Nikon all the way (and maybe Leica for the moneyed set). As in, I could show up to an event with a Canon, Sony or Fuji setup and I'd get snickers and sneers for having "amateur" gear (while afterwards I'll get a reluctant compliment for my shots). Nikon's brand loyalty is no joke.
Yes, here in Europe most Nikon lovers are above the 40 year of age.
@@angeloplayforone If you are under 40 you probably think cameras only exist on phones full stop!.😂😂
Settled with the Fujifilm XT + GFX systems and not gonna change anytime soon. Fuji also does something - attracting those casoni fans to buy a lightweight travel camera, or a backup camera (came across a few professionals who do this too).
Enjoyed the video. When I had to choose a camera system I had a photographer friend complaining of having to sell his Nikon lenses to go with a new camera. My Canon friends we're selling their EF lenses to go mirrorless. I noticed that the Sony full frame cameras all used the same lens so I bought a used A7II with the understanding that when I upgrade I will still be able to use the same lenses. For me, it was all about the stability (so far) of the lens system.
Bought 2 Nikons last year Nikon D780 and Z5. I have used them a half year and very happy with camera performance. Although the various brands are not developing new DSLRs they are still selling them and manufacturing them as long as there is demand. The Nikon D780 with a Z6 sensor PDAF inside is still a great hybrid which follows in the tradition of the Nikon best selling DSLR D750 but with Z video upgrades.
This is a very attractive camera to me, too, as it allows using my collection of F-mount lenses whilst getting that on-sensor AF. The only thing is, it’s clear the future is in the Z system and as someone who can only make the occasional big purchase I feel somewhat corralled in that direction. Good for you, enjoying the new high-point of DSLRs.
No mention that Canon is dropping third-party lens support. That is a _massive_ step backwards. They are in a very tight battle with Sony who has done pretty much the exact opposite with third-party lens support. Sony has been kicking-ass as a result and has more lenses available now than anyone else.
It's pretty simple, give people more and not less and don't piss them off so much that they'll go elsewhere.
As a Pentax user, I’m well aware of their shortcomings and the writing on the wall. That doesn’t mean the K1 isn’t still a warhorse of a camera. Hell, a K1 with faster AF and subject tracking, 15fps RAW with a larger buffer, and a tap-to-focus touchscreen during live view would be damn near a perfect camera.
That being said, my next system will almost certainly be Sony.
It's always greener on the other side.
😆 I'm just glad I ignored your siren warnings about Olympus a few years back, very happy with my EM1X and OM1!
The one important element you didn't focus (ha,ha!) on was lenses. Sony really got out in front with their GMaster quality lenses and now seem to be (after a very long wait) getting their APSC lens line built out with better quality and more choices. Canon certainly seems to understand the need but was slow to get working on its mirrorless mount lenses. This could be a reasonable concern for which camera system someone new--especially a pro--would want to buy into.
the more important thing is letting 3rd party lens manufacturers in the system. Getting all the lenses from Tamron, Sigma, Samyang, Viltrox, Zeiss, Voigtländer,… would never buy into canon again for that reason alone.
APS-C lenses equivalent to FF GM would include standard zooms at f/2. The features and quality still aren't there, and they never will be. Sony only allows its best lenses to be released for FF.
Informative and enjoyable as always. Worth a second watch. Minivan? Good one!
Thanks guys!
OK, you at least mentioned Olympus....for the money, I'll be an Olympus person for the foreseeable future. I'm a hobby photographer and don't need those esoteric features that bump the price up to the ridiculous $4-5ooo range. For a hobby photographer, yeah, $1500-2000 sounds one heck of a lot better and you DO get an awesome camera.
I’m new to Cameras, so I didn’t have as big of a budget to jump into a Sony or a Canon full frame. Panasonic S5 was then best bang for the buck for me based on all my research. It’s also great that multiple brands use their lenses as well, so I won’t be stuck to just Panasonic if I itch for something outside the brand in the future. So overall I think the S5 is a great starter full-frame, and the brand will do well if they continue to acquire new consumers like myself into their brand.
I love watching you two get right down to the nitty-gritty. Have a great New Year. I certainly will with my new R7.
Great overview and discussion.
As a full manual photo-only (no video) shooter, the only innovation I care about is sensor tech, and I feel that side of things has hit a pretty solid level for all manufacturers.
So, for me it all comes down to ergonomics and the cleanest possible interface (minimal buttons, minimal menu/screen interface). Leica SL and M are my personal choice, having come from Fujifilm xPro, which also embodies that ethos (but still had too many buttons for my taste), and I like having the added dynamic range of full frame.
I use adapted manual glass on my SL and love the setup.
This coming from the same person who said M 4/3 was dead but 2022 was one of its best years.
You forgot to mention that canon locked 3rd party makers out of RF mount system.
One interesting thing is social media and smart phones killed point and shoots, but social media also revived the need for point and shoots like the x100v and the Sony zv1 lol. Everyone wants a better camera to take pics/vids on. But not everyone wants the huge interchangeable systems.
It seems the Canon strategy is/will be to put out exceptional cameras at exceptional price points (for what you are getting vs Sony) but make up for any reduced margins on cameras with captive market on the Lens offerings. In other words, lure customer in with camera and then gain lifetime of exception margins on lenses that can only be bought through Canon. Thoughts Tony and Chelsea?
Hmm Idk if Canon's camera is that much better than Sony in terms of price/performance. For example the R6 and the A7IV both at $2500 and feature wise they're about the same.
Canon is using Sony old strategy. So much camera bodies but few lens.
@@zegzbrutal I don't know how effective that strategy could be considering they will always be playing catchup for the would-be customers who will not put up with massive diminishing return on investment of RF glass. If they do open up to 3rd party in a few years, Sony will have kept innovating the whole time, so they better have some damn impressive features and much lower prices, or Sony will topple them on the market share pie chart eventually.
Canon missed the lens mount game where they abandoned the ef-m. Sony appears to have a longer vision where you can buy into the line and the E mount will remain the same. This alone will keep people in their line longer than canon.
The canon fd mount last 16 years. The ef mount has lasted 36 years. The Sony e mount has been 11 years. So who lasts longer? The canon rf mount will last far longer than Sony's in the end.
@@onlysublime IMO, Canon wants total control of their RF mount to buy time. They can't develop/release lenses fast enough so they just pulled the breaks on 3rd party. We will see how it goes. Maybe it is for the best years down the road long-term, but for now it is definitely leaving a sour taste on current & prospective customers.
Originally I was Canon user many many years ago then later Fuji and now switching to Sony soon. Primary reason I am not jumping back into Canon ecosystem is because of 3rd party. Even though I think their R3/R5 are amazing and would prefer to own one.
I run multiple systems.
I was an Eos shooter from its intro circa 1987 until 2017, I still have canon bodies and lenses.
I currently use Sony bodies and lenses, Fuji GFX body and lenses & Leica M body and lenses. I also have a large collection of the old film Olympus system, and use the OM lenses (& other vintage lenses) on my digital bodies.
I have to say that there are features on the GFX beyond it just being a larger sensor which I really rate. For example, the large choice of aspect ratios which I appreciate. I really enjoy using the 50r when the subject matter doesn’t demand good AF. If I require good AF, I grab the Sony, but I enjoy using the 50r more.
I just bought an OM-1. It weighs half of my previous Nikon rig, fast, accurate auto focus, high shutter speeds if you need them. Love the pro capture mode, as well as the focus stacking and handheld high resolution capability. Not concerned with the 20MP, same as my D500. I have made a few fairly large prints at 20MP and they were great. I don't like EVF's even though this is supposed to be a good one. Just an analog kind of guy. If Nikon had come out with a D500 replacement I would have stuck with them. They are still talking about it but too late now.
the number of features and tech on my em1mk2 are only available on the flagship full frame cameras costing 4 times as much. The build quality is amazing too. You also don't need a truck to carry your lenses if you want to climb a mountain and take pictures of birds.. I switched to Sony because of everyone telling me on youtube you need to go full frame and I'll persist but I look back and think of all the things I could do with the Olympus that I can't do with the Sony.. 😢😢
That's the way to go, buying a smart, mobile, compact and usable camera, avoid heavy, pricey and bulky equipment you'll leave them resting on the shelves and finally using your mobile phone camera....
Well said. Most people simply don't do very large prints and will never actually miss the megapixels. Some of my best print work came from the 8MP Canon 1DMkII.
@@supercatsimon I agree, I have the em1mark3 and love the fact that it is compact. When I hike 10+ miles every ounce counts. There is always the nagging thought of wanting a full frame but when I'm on the trails that thought quickly goes away.
I've bought a second hand em1 mk2 this month after having an Olympus e-620 and e-400 for more than a decade. For me the em1 mk2 is a camera packed with a lot of inovations which are still missing in full frame cameras. Funny they bring pro-capture here as a new innovation. Nothing has changed since the moment every reviewer was laughing about live view when Olympus brought this to the market. I've bought a whole m4/3 system including lenses for less than the cost of a body of a full frame camera and I will be sure I will take very good pictures and video with it for many years to come.
MicroFourThirds is far from dead in that no other format can match them on price or weight.
M43 lenses are half the cost and half the weight of full frame lenses for equivalent capabilities. Also it is a complete system of lenses unlike Canon, Nikon and Sony APC offerings. The M43 Beyer sensor is compatible with computatilnal photovraphy which the Fuji Xtrans sensor is definitely not leading to loss of definitkon in the color space on the Fuji, especially on Video.
Now that we have the Leica 9mm (18mm FF) lens for Vloging we await only the 90mm macro (180mm FF) fro OM Sytem to be very complete.
What we need from Panasonic is a G11, a G9 with the new sensor and a OM-1R an OM-1 withe the Sony 45mpx M43 sensor.
As far as lenses a portrait zoom such as Tamron's full frame 35-150mm f2-28 would be nice, or perhaps a paired down full frame 24-70mm which would be 48-140mm equivalent on M43.
Please compare the prices of Nikon Z F4.0 zoom lenses and Olympus/OM systems 2.8 Pro lenses. Nikon has the same or lower price then Olympus/ OM pro lenses. That is the big problem for Micro Four Thirds now. With the time the MFT market share will decrease. Panasonic only upgraded the GH line of cameras. Other lines like, GX and G, lines are not having any new camera introduced by Panasonic.
@@angeloplayforone Apples and oranges.
@@bobk4438 Why apple and oranges? MFT 2.8 lenses are equivalent to 5.6 FF lenses. So comparing the price of 4.0 FF with 2.8 MFT is valid. Olympus has 3 prime lenses with f1.2 and this is f2.4 in FF. Compare the the 5 Nikon z F1.8 prime lenses with those Olympus lenses and you see that Olympus is more expensive.
@@angeloplayforone if I had a dollar for every time someone said “MFT is 2.8 so that’s 5.6 equivalent FF”. No, just no. I can’t even waste my time typing further. Please do your research more carefully next time before commenting
@@angeloplayforone MFT 2.8 lenses are equivalent to FF 2.8 lenses. The only equivalence there is in terms of aperture is bokeh.
We, husband and wife, Pentax users, have been watching your vlogs on our TV for a long time now. Even our 6 year old uses our dated Pentax K-r. We love your chats. Our thing is that we just keep things simple by enjoying photography through Pentax and love to see other people's work no matter what camera system they use.
But, we both dislike over post processing. We have seen shots of travel/hiking destinations where we could not tell were of a place we had been to. We just shoot JPEGs, using the full options built in our cameras and present to our audience as SOOC images. Our shots are appreciated by people who follow us. We save money on expensive Canons, Sonys, and Nikons of the world and use it for hiking in national parks. Life is good. What else do you need?
Husband and wife make a fair comment, one others have made. Pretty much any camera made in the last decade, if used to its potential, can take terrific photos. I was weaned on Pentax, like so many in the days of film. But I've moved on. Still Pentax and all the others with all their sensor sizes make cameras that are capable of very good results in a variety of situations.
Thanks for sharing. I shoot most of the time with a Pentax K70 and a used 35 mm lens which I got last year, total set up less than $900. It's only my third body in 15 years. I've never been happier with the my current set up as a creative tool.
It’s also important to get a sense of which direction you’re going with your photography. I got into fujifilm cameras which I LOVE. But now, I’m moving toward wildlife photography and I see a super telephoto prime in my future. So, now I will jump ship which is more expensive.
Thanks for the review. I agree with most of it. I have been a Canon pro-sumer photographer since 1972 (F-1). I have been through all the Canon stages, but I paused at mirrorless (my last body is a 5DMkIV). I have a large collection of EOS lenses. As a serious hobbyist, I don't see the ROI in switching bodies or brands at this moment. If / when Canon comes out with a mirrorless 65+MP camera that has a high frame rate, and performs well with EOS lenses (via converter), I would consider the upgrade. Thx.
The Panasonic Lumix G7 was introduced in 2015 and, while I'm not 100 percent certain, I believe it's still in production today. It's still an excellent and capable camera for video if you can live with the MFT format.
My first camera! Loved that thing. Upgraded to a G9 then recently a A7iii
Unfortunately only the GH line has received a new camera, so Panasonic is not investing in the other MFT lines.
the one thing olympus still has is the best weather sealing. I ought an OM-5 for nothing other than a camera to use while kayaking. I legitimately just rinse the whole thing off in the sink and let it dry when I get home from getting it muddy.
As a long time Nikon digital user, culminating in my wonderful D850, I decided to take the plunge and go mirrorless with the Nikon Z7ii. My primary photographic subject matter is landscape for which the Z7ii is doing an excellent job. My other photographic subject matter is fast moving, scale radio control models, including jets. I am working hard trying to get my techniques perfected for that activity but I'm sorry to admit that mirrorless just doesn't cut it with these models. I am absolutely not selling off my D850 as that camera absolutely nailes it capturing these fast-moving models. My keeper rate with the D850 is about 95-99%. By that I mean the entire airplane is in the field of view and its focus is tack sharp. So far, my Z7ii is running about 10-20% keepers. I need to work on my technique, but I can tell that the camera will be a severe limiting factor. I am not planning to sell the Z7ii either as it does have many very useful features but focus tracking on small, fast-moving objects is not its forte, contrary to all the videos saying otherwise. Maybe Nikon has figured all this out with the Z9, but that camera is way out of my price range right now.
You 2 are really great ❤ thank you so very much for all your savvy comments - wish you great time 🎉
Hi, an excellent video. I can't agree more with your conclusions. Every photographer has his own workflow and needs. I found my cameras in the Fuji system. I ditched Sony and Panasonic for an GFX 50S II and an X-T5.
It would be good to include after sales support you get from the manufacturers too. I know several pro's that have dropped Sony due to poor service support as an example.
Good to know
Fair point. Nikon and Canon have their NPS/CPS that really tries to help professionals out whenever they face problems with their gear even if it's based on accidents, theft or whatever. Not sure if Sony have something like that.
I think probably the most common camera among serious macro photographers is Olympus EM1 II. For the longest time you could not do better than an Olympus for macro. The crop factor with high pixel density, along with amazing focus bracketing system that works with flash and the great stabilization make Olympus cameras beasts for handheld focus stacks of live macro subjects. I've seen many macro photographers switch to Olympus in the last couple of years. I shoot most things with Sony, but macro with Olympus.
Great comments as always.
Two thumbs up to Chelsea's comparison of Canon to that reliable, do-everything, but without style minivan. :) I also really liked Tony's explanation of Pentax's way forward - very thoughtful.
However when it comes down to recommending a Canon or Sony system to a newcomer, I'd definitely lean heavily on Sony as Sony has an open lens mount where Sigma and Tamron (and others) play nicely. This allows users a better choice of lenses at a price level that suits them. Canon and its bank of lawyers - not so much. Tony made a video explaining his disappointment on Canon's closed mount in the fall and must have forgotten.
Thanks for the insights Tony and Chelsea!
I tried twice to fall in love with Sony A7M3 and all 3 times I traded it off after 1 month. There was no love at all! Yes, AF is very good, but all the other things are not: strange body quality, strange apsc mount with cutted corners, disgusting display and evf res, awful menu, display info etc. But when I first took in hands Nikon Z6 - that was love! Yes, AF is faaar behind the other two brands, but in the other aspects it was sooo cool, so original, so sexy colors, lenses, shutter sound, ergonomics, body materials! Then I switched to Z6II and fall in love again with all tuned moments! Now I am waiting for 3rd iteration of it and hope that AF and video will grow up to the leader's level and that will be a huge success! Love u Nikon! 😍 Don't let me down! 😅
I love Chelsea’s positivity.
I have had nikon for many years with a first gen crop format DSLR and last year moved to a full frame DSLR by them (D780 as I can afford it now). Big selling point to me was the lens available, there is a huge used market for old F mount lens that can be had for affordable. I have a lot of expensive hobbies and can't put tons of money into my camera, so a 20 year old used lens gives good bang for the buck. I looked at mirrorless but the Nikon performance just wasn't there at the time for the price, also I wanted to get into astrophotography and I like the old fashion view finder, not a screen. I couldn't afford a body over $2k.
Started with a Nikon d3500 and a Nikon d5600 and loved it, ,making portrait photos is something i love to do! and that went great, Just bought a Canon R10 and a RF 50mm 1.8, im super happy with the upgrade! it's incredible how good this camera works. Definitely no regrets haha. Great video!
Love the way you use your experience and independently tell it like it is in your opinion. When will Canon expand its RF lens lineup, which of course have the latest tech and light weight durable materials compared to EF lenses?? For example, some coma free low fstop astro lenses and a 200-600 f6.3 L wildlife lens, also a 200-400 f4 L lens with built in 1.4x teleconverter??
Yeah ..Sony to.. teleconverter for all lens? Are they made it...
2022=crazy prizes =keep survive
Good analysis. I agree with your final words about Canon and Sony, the minivan analogy sticks. It's true that Canon is an ultra stable and reliable system, but at the same time not as exciting to use, but it works very well. Sony always seems to come up with cool and exciting solutions and designs.
Reading through the comments, I see there are Olympus lovers out there. Tony's fan-boy observation sticks. The OM1's are kind of cool though. They are really robust tanks that are reliable with less innovation, but solid repetition.
I like your discussion, really fun. I can see you both creating/organizing a live forum-style gear talk! It would be cool to expand the conversation with your audience.... food for thought! Kudos!
I'm relatively new to the OM-1 after having come from Canon, Sony and Nikon. Never considered M43 because of the bias toward full frame systems. I wish I'd have done so earlier as it would have saved me time and money. It just suits my photography better and I'm sure I'm not alone. Unless you are a pro with specific needs, the OM-1 has some real advantages that would serve some folks best and I think that message is often lost to most of us who consume news on Western photography sites. The bias toward full frame is why there are M43 fanboys, imho. The system rarely gets a fair shake.
I’m not really sure where you got the idea that the OM-1 lacks innovation. Have you actually taken a look at all the features it has, including such gems as live-ND? A lot of people unfortunately feel pressure to follow the pros, when their needs might be very different.
@@perfectfutures I agree, had to shake my head at this comment. Such comments create "fanboys" who are really only users who are reacting to unfair, careless remarks like this.
@@perfectfutures and @Malik you are very right. It’s quite a feature-packed camera and I really enjoy mine. They did also offer a high-resolution mode and good stabilization among other cool features.
The challenge for me stems primarily from my needs and requirements. They change and I’m having trouble finding one camera that can do it all. My EM1 is amazing for outdoor stuff, and some indoors, but I do require more low-light capacity which can be challenging to get with my EM1 Mkii or my GH4s. The latest developments that allow cameras with good low-light capabilities to significantly expand their video capacity is a game-changer for me. I have a need for more video power.
I should have given more context my to comment. I want to be clear that I am not sold to a brand, in fact, I don't really focus on the brand but rather on features and sustainability over the years.
Sony a6400 and a6400 hobbyist in the last almost 6 years as recommended by my photographer son I have to publicly express my gratitude for learning so much from both of you about photography. Keep it up you beautiful guys and happy new year.
I shot Canon since the 1970s and recently switched over to Sony. As for now, I'm not looking back at all. If Canon had a lens that would compete with the Sony 200-600 I might be tempted, but I love my A1 and 200-600!! I agree with your wish list of the pre-capture!! Something I've wanted bad for both wildlife and lightning photography. Maybe some day....
Nice to discover a Northrup video not predicting the death of MFT. I just ordered 2 more Lumix cameras (GH5 M2 and G100) and while I have quite a bit of Sony gear, I use it only 10% of the time. Sony just doesn't have the video features that I need. MFT might only have a 5+% market share, but it is the perfect format for many of us. And it is fitting that Panasonic concentrate on video (and hopefully a G9 M2) because Panasonic developed VHS back in the day, and its first cameras were video cameras under the National brand.
While Olympus was bigger than Panasonic for several years, I think it will be the continuing strength of Panasonic video that will provide the base for the format that will keep Olympus's head above water. MFT will continue to thrive for many years to come. Likewise L-mount will continue. There are enough Panasonic enthusiasts to keep it going, and Sigma and Leica create the base there that allows Panasonic to swim.
Nice summary. Personally, I might compare Canon a bit to Toyota/Lexus in that they still build many of their products in Japan and are a bit conservative, but their products are very well made and they are generally extremely reliable. I would compare Sony perhaps to Audi/VW which like Sony, jump in to technology earlier than Lexus/Toyota. Both are great Companies with slightly different biases.
Sony is more like Tesla.
Tony, I know of a couple of friends who have sold all their full frame gear and bought into OM because they can’t haul around the full frame weight any more. This is an age related thing. If this is replicated around the world it’s providing a revenue stream for OM. I’m told that hand held birds in flight photography is easier with OM because smaller and lighter gear is quicker to manoeuvre whilst the autofocus is super quick and accurate.
This was great 😂…as a recovering Pentaxian, I laughed and I cried. Now I’m off to the Canon website to see if I can order my R6 Mark II with stow-n-go seating and a built in vacuum 🚐 😂. Great video, you two.
I have been shooting Canon for years and recently tried to switch over to Sony. While I loved almost everything about the camera, sadly their unergonomic grip was a dealbreaker for me. After developing severe hand pain I returned the Sony a7iii and got the Canon R5. If Sony were to improve their grips to be as ergonomic and comfortable as the Canon grips I would switch over to Sony in a red hot second.
Hi there. Just happened to read your post on the Sony ergonomics. I have shot Sony mirrorless for about 6 years now and agree with you 100%. They lack that feel you want as the bodies just aren't friendly in the hand. What I came up with to solve this issue was buying an L-bracket that actually made the body feel and look bigger. I know this goes against the smaller body, less weight theory of a mirrorless, but I liked my Sony a7riii and it needed to feel better in hand. What I got was a Small Rig L Bracket that saved my day and gives me the feeling of the Cannon or Nikon full-frame rig. Just throwing that out there.
Try the A7RV. Downside is we wil soon be back to the DSLR bricks and weight.
Canon produce superior colors to Sony. That's my hot take. Take me back to 5DmarkII colors. That was the best.
Try the A7IV, switched to that from A7III and the grip is a way better now.
I've been using Canon for 45 years now. The 5dIII and 7dII feel like a part of my body. Just had a shoting at a concert for 4 hours. It just felt right even with heavy glas. No pain, buttons where I know them to be and fast switches in menu. With the mainswitch to the right side (like R6II) everything is perfect.
I think you missed the big difference between Sony and Canon. Canon will remain an expensive proprietary lens system. Sony has encouraged a variety of third party lenses at different prices and niche applications.
So this is like Apple vs Android.
That was the main reason why I bought a Sony camera.
@@Battlem0nk Only that Sony is the open AND the stylish system here.
Thank You! For making the complicated Simple
Congrats on a superb review of camera brands and the state of the industry! Great chemistry between Tony & Chelsea, plus the fact that Chelsea looks like a prettier version of Hilary Swank. Keep it up!
OM Systems still has the best autofocus, AI, and stabilization. They also retain Olympus weather-proof technologies.
First let me say that I love my Olympus camera. It's stabilization is top shelf. My Olympus (OM-5ii) has the worst autofocus of any modern camera I've used (Sony a3000, a5000, a6x00, a7Rii, Canon). It really is poor with a variety of lenses but at least it's consistent which forces me to check most photos manually. Sorry to partially disagree, maybe the OM-5iii or iv corrects this.
Great video as always. As mentioned early no 3rd party RF has really made me think about switching to Sony. This is after 20+ years of Canon. 😢
But only no 3rd party autofocus though.
Nothing more important than glass. Cameras body come and go hence they depreciate in value but glass does not because it’s more important. I think you have it backwards.
@@Davitor1 I have some great sigma lenses so I do not agree. I can get a Sony body equal to or better than Canon, and I can get lenses at half the cost.
@@Davitor1 Manual thirdparty lenses are still available
@@coolbuddydude1 I have glasses as thick as a coke bottle like the dude on Trailer Park Boys. So not sure that is an option
For a total system about $500 for family snapshots, still hard to beat used m50+22mm
IMO, the Nikon Z lenses are a massive improvement. I traded in some F lenses for new Z lenses and was surprised and impressed with how much better they were. Maybe it's true with all of manufacturers, but I'm really happy with my Z 14-30mm f/4 and the Z 105mm MC f/2.8
I'm really surprised that in the Sony vs. Canon discussion you didn't raise the issue of Canon restricting the use of third-party lenses. You were sufficiently upset about that in a previous video that you put me off the brand, and given the huge range of lens options for Sony I would have expected you to declare Sony the clear winner between the two.
Great assessment. What about Canon’s decision to block 3rd party lens?
Going cheap on lenses defeats the purpose of getting an expensive camera.
@@Davitor1 that's the problem, not all of us are sitting there with a corporate name above our work. I for example want a nice full frame camera to take wild life and landscape photography for fun/hobby and maybe one day create a decent online portfolio. The Sony a7iv with the Tamron 28-200mm satisfies those needs perfectly, is very affordable and light weight for easier travel. I'm not aware of what the Canon equivalent is to that, but I am guessing it is more money and may weigh more as well. Point being there is a part of the market being ignored by Canon that Sony is probably very happy about.
@@Davitor1
Nope.
Plenty of people get fantastic results with their Leica bodies and far cheaper third-party lenses.
@@Mamo878 Yep a leica sls2 with lumix lenses is dope. Leica barely needs to be edited
Loved this like all of your content. I would add that Canon is solid in Pro photography. Look at NFL Sidelines and Event Photogs. They want quality images but don’t want to relearn a system. They also can’t edit much so the Color science has to be good. I think they all make good cameras now but Canon glass is excellent from Sports to Wildlife to Portraits.
I almost got a Panasonic Lumix camera, it was between some of their cameras, a Nikon, and an Olympus. I ended up going with the Olympus, I liked the reviews and the controls were something I liked the look of. Camera got here not long ago and now I'm just waiting on a lense or two. I may get some other cameras much later, but for now the Olympus will be my machine. I liked photography as a kid, had a cheap old film camera. Still have it somewhere, may have been a Fuji camera but I can't remember at the moment. Hope Olympus sticks around, because I fully intend to keep this camera going for as long as it will go.
Would have liked to hear more about pricing, the $ entry point into Canon & Sony for PRO equipment seem prohibitive for experienced enthusiasts
All this talk of Pentax has me thinking about copping a K3-III. Too bad it’s not easily available in my country.
I think most of this spot on. I am a Sony convert of about 5 years. I started out with the a6300, and never trurned back and now shoot atRs. I come over from being a Canon sports shooter predominately shooting 1D bodies. Over the years of being a Canon shooter I collided a good amount of EF glass. For the last few years I have been using metabones and the MC11 to bridge the two, but now have enough native Sony glass I don't do that much anymore either. To get to point my youngest is a budding and much more talented photographer than I, and I ofter don't have access to my Sony gear. Which drive back to the point of shooting and looking to add a used Canon body back to the bag so I have access to my gear again. I've found shooting little different between the two. Yes, Sony's menus can be frustrating, but honestly it has been months since I have had to change anything there - so no harm, no foul. Either line will produce images that will better than match the shooters skill... the camera will not hold you back. They are all capable. If you think the body is holding you back, then you are probably shooting outside your skill level... not meant to be condiscending, but don't blame the gear... Save some money, and shoot more... your skills will improve far faster.
I almost settled on a Sony camera when I was shopping for a hybrid camera this year, and then the R5C happened. And now I'm a happy Canon Cinema operating system user frustrated by them blocking third party entry into their lens mount and BMPCC 4K level battery life. You get some, you lose some, I guess.
Softwarewise OM Systems is still way ahead of Canon and Nikon. Things like Live Composite or reading out the sensor during a long exposure to get a live histogram are amazing tools I would do a lot to get in the next Nikon release. But yeah the sensors and lenses are kind of meh.
True, I always say the best cam would be a Olympus tech inside a Nikon FF bulletproof body with the Z lenses level and Canon autofocus
As they are a much smaller company as previously, the will have big problems to keep this lead. All other companies are doing AF with subject detection. Live Capture is also done on other cameras. Pixel Shift is also done by Fuji.
About 3rd party Canon RF glass, there are a few reports that these lenses just do not AF well or reliable. I think that is why Canon put a stop to it. They had to, at least temporarily. Once the 3rd parties have sorted out their issues Canon will license them to produce particular lenses just like Nikon seems to do.
I used a Canon 450d , 2000d and then moved to an M50 Mark II. When Canon killed the EF-M mount I was sad but decided to move up to RF as soon as some good priced third party lenses come. Once they announced that they are stopping third party lenses I just moved to Fuji, I now own an XE-4 for travel.
I was a Pentax guy from my first camera at age 15 when I got a K1000 but a few years ago I had to admit that they were dead. For such a long time Pentax nailed the high-feature lower-price enthusiast market. Sad what happened to them. No hate from me on your Pentax comments.
I think the main reason why Sony is gaining is that there is such an amazing used market for used first and third party lenses. Many who pick up a camera for the first time buy used and or third party glass. To me it is only logical that the get bigger still. I guess the trend will continue because there is no third party market for neither Nikon nor Canon.
There is no third party rf lenses, but there are plenty of second hand ef lenses to choose, which work better than third-party lenses
@@redis8298 yeah but I would reckon that many if they do have the choice still want to have native lenses rather to start with a compromise. I know that I and some of my colleagues think that way at least.
@@redis8298 I am a Canon R3 and R5 owner. I am heavily invested in the RF system with L glass. However, I believe it is an extremely short-sited decision on Canon's part to not open up the RF mount to 3rd parties as Sony and now Nikon does. This is going to influence a LOT of people's choices as they decide what system to choose and invest in. I was always going to choose Canon (ergonomics, familiarity), but I would not recommend them to someone starting from scratch. The 3rd party lens selection available to Sony system users makes them MUCH more appealing. Besides price, the lens selection and innovation of 3rd party lenses (Tamron, Sigma) is enviable as an RF user. I hope Canon changes this policy before they do irreparable damage to their market share.
Too be fair , there are some very nice 3rd party lenses for sony , and while some of them wont be G master spec , they still do the job well and can be brand new and half the price of a factory lens .but certainly 2nd hand can be a good option .
@@mikldude9376 of course, third party lenses would be very welcome I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that there's no reason to be desperate there are plenty of good and great ef glass, in couple of years I'm sure that canon will open their mount