Canon v. Sony v. Nikon: Battle of the Brands
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Z30 has great focus in most situations. Nikon all the way. Sorry to hear you are sucked in to the Sony hype, where you have to spend $2000 each year for a new camera.
If I pay too much attention to the pros and cons of different brands of cameras, it will become very difficult to choose. But if I focus on photography itself, It becomes easier to choose. An excellent photographer can take excellent photos with any brand of camera, it’s just a difference in the feeling of using it, and the results are not too different.
So what did you choose?
@@reheapification2 There is so much competition for full frame, not only does it make me want to switch to new bodies, but also new expensive lenses. Money matters for non-professional photographers. So I chose APS-C FUJIFILM, because it makes me focus more on the photography itself.
Well said…cameras don’t take good pictures, photographers do
Agreed, this is why I went with Nikon, because they are just so much more accessible and useable.
@@westcoasthype619 I tried taking a good picture without a camera. It went poorly... Then with a great subject and good light in front of me, I did very little and the camera took a great picture. We're less important than everyone wants to believe.
Still a massive Nikon fan... the Z6ii is a phenomenal wedding camera and the Z8 is even better though I want the abilities of the Z8 in a Z6ii body and megapixel count. That'd be perfect for me. Good stuff guys. You are right in what you say about Sony seeming to place more kudos in delivering what the photographic community need / want. It's just a shame that their flaws are kinda looked over often... it's when you go into a Sony group on Facebook and realise all the things that annoy you about one brand are still there in Sony cameras, some to a lesser degree and then other things that you don't have an issue with using your camera drives Sony users nuts... As you have said many times, there is no perfect camera and no do it all brand. For me, Nikon still does the greatest amount of better stuff... errr better. lol. Keep em coming though, we can't all be the same.
Yup I have Fuji and Nikon mirrorless. Love them both.
I have all 3 brands. Short story: you can do great photos with any of them! If that isn't the case you might be the problem. All camera brands have plusses and minusses.
I have Nikon Z6 ii and I love this camera for its feel, build and picture quality. Yeah it struggles a lot sometimes for focus but I can live with that. If I am spending this much amount of money I need a better build camera which will last for years. I had a Canon 1100D but it stopped working merely in 3 years or so but my D7200 was amazing it just never gave up. If you will come to India, in Mumbai you will find the photographers that work at few popular locations such as Gate way of India, Hajiali dargah, they use Nikon because it handles moisture better and it does not give up on them. And boy the camera feeling is another level with Nikon. I just love these Nikon cameras. ❤ If we are ranking cameras based on sales, then I think it's not the way to go, we should rank based on their build, quality materials used, picture quality, lenses availability, focus, FPSs etc. Sales cannot decide which one is better, as in India we call something is "Bhedchal" which is everyone follows someone else to buy something. And that raises their sales. 🙂
Nikon was so popular when I first started in the early 70's because every lens fit every Nikon camera body. You could travel anywhere in the world pick up a Nikkor lens and you were guaranteed it would bolt on. Canon kept swapping lens mounts. It was vital if you needed to travel light and have loan gear available when you arrived. I retired a few years back, but stuck with Nikon for decades and swear by them.
I used used my Nikon D5100 for almost 10 years and had been happy with it. However, I found 3 new Nikon Z lenses that were at a deep discount at my electronic store earlier this year, I couldn't refuse them. They were the 28-75mm f2.8, the 14-30mm f4, and the 105mm f2.8. Each lens had a discount between $600-$700 off. Then I found the Nikon Z5 online in mint condition for $760 and the 50mm f1.8 that was also on a discount. Does Nikon have the better AF system over Sony or Canon, no. Am I able to get the shots I want with this camera? Yes. Their AF system is still very good to use.
Nikon earned the no. 3 spot, but I see they will continue to improve their AF systems to at least be on par with Sony and Canon. I want all three companies to continue to out-perform each other's cameras.
The thing is: by the time Nikon caught up (to the current level of the competition) they will have moved on up further still.
there will soon be nowhere to move up further in the AF departement, all 3 brands are very close to that already. what I see happening is their UI/UX and Apps as well as phone features coming from the Sony phones which Canon and Nikon simply won't be able to match.@@GeertDelmulle
@@nevensky As long Canon and Nikon will develop apps for android and apple OS it won't be a problem. In 99% of the cases (I guess) it's to be able to get some photo's or video's just taken on the MILC, transfer and edit on the smartphone or tablet and send it to clients for reviewing purpuses or put it on social media for MarCom purposes.
It’s not the AF that pushed me away from Nikon, or even their somewhat duller colours. But if you give me a low res EVF on a Z7II, you’ve lost me.
Thumbs up for Lumix!! 😇
yep, support the underdog! Best bank for your bucks! I love my Lumix S5 + Sigma 24-70. I paid less then 1800€ for this killer combo ✌️
I said it on the first video I ever watched, where Tony took a piece of glass to a nifty fifty to prove a few scratches won't kill a lens; I watch you two because of your INTEGRITY.
Don't give a flying leap what all the naysayers go on about, THAT shows through over and over again. That is what keeps me coming back.
Kudos.
I was all about Pentax for years…then they just kind of slipped away. So, I had to make a change…I chose Sony. Started with A73, loved it….but started getting more into video so I did upgrade to A74…and love it! I have a 24-105 G and a 100-400 GM for lenses. So, never used Canon or Nikon so I can’t make any comparison…all I can say, I love have loved my Sony Cameras.
Well, I just switched from my D850 to the R5 and already regret doing so with the 100-500 Canon costing twice as much as the 180-600 by Nikon. I am already calculating how much money I would love switching back to get the Z8 I waited for several years just to give up several months before it finally got announced.
I switched from D750 to R6 II, so I feel you. The D750 has better shadow recovery and better screen, although lower resolution. I just want to have Nikon again.. good priced f 1.8s and the 180-600 so much better value, third party lenses now, even buying Z8 will be cheaper in the long run, because great lenses will be priced good and you will save from them.
Yes just think how many sales Nikon would make and how many users they woudl keep if they had the Z6iii and Z7iii ot now! Not everyone can afford a Z8 (or wants that size)
I mean, that's basically what you get when you let others (influencers) lure you into changing brands.
Sometimes, your best bet is to just turn off the external noise and just focus on taking photographs while remaining patient for your next camera.
I've always doubted Canon, Sony, and now Fuji as well.
They're all good brands in their own right, except for Sony, as I truly hate Sony cameras to the core ever since I tested an A7II.
That camera felt like a goddamn toy with the most awful ergonomics and menu layout.
Nikon will always be my one and only camera brand.
It's the brand I learned photography on, and their cameras brought me an immense amount of joy ever since I first held one in my hand.
Some people are just too eager to jump ships these days, for some reason.
As if they need to upgrade their gear every other year.
And if a camera isn't perfect in every area, they toss it in a garbage bin, never to gaze upon it again.
It's so unfortunate, silly, and gluttonous.
Anyway, having said all that, I hope you do find a camera that will satisfy your needs.
You just “kinda” implied Nikon is putting out stuff to be putting it out to keep “the stream” going without big updates.
Nikon has made the biggest updates compared to previous iterations.
Sony on the other hand does do that . They put out cameras more often with less upgrades.
As for the OM and 20mp check and see what the pixel pitch is then compare that to say maybe 60mp ff. Enough said
I am a hobbyist. I originally shot Olympus (film) in the early 80's. Then shot Nikon, film, then on to Canon T3i. I've been shooting Canon for 15+ years. I own an R5, and my retirement gift to me was a nice assortment of RF glass. I am in my 60's and will purchase 1 more camera. Originally was waiting for R5II or R1. I shoot Landscape, travel and some wildlife and portraits. I am now considering Leica Q2 or Q3 to use for travel and everday shooting. Will keep my R5 and most glass. Will decide in the next 6 months. Thanks for your video.
Selling Sony or Canon for Nikon? Already sold my Sony A7IV after having it six months. Ergonomics plain and simple. Just couldn’t get used to it. My older LUMIX G9 M43 is a better handling and user experience. Migrating to Nikon system and Z8 (price to performance right where it appeals most to me) by end of year.
I clearly qualify as a Nikon loyalist, and until the Z8 introduction a DSLR holdout. Now I’ve created a spreadsheet mapping out my F to Z transition plan. Your overview of the major brands, where they’ve been and where they are going was illuminating, especially for one who for convenience if nothing else ignored the other brands. I’m reminded of how much I loved using my OM-1 kit of decades ago. Recently my granddaughter, shopping for a film body, bought a vintage OM-1. She said it just spoke to her. She was unaware of my history with that camera. For all the tech specs and test reports, in the end our choices have more to do with love than logic.
That's a cool bit about your granddaughter and her camera choice. I bet that made for a q special feeling and memory.
For my style, OM-1 / Olympus / MFT all the way. No need for more MP since I almost never crop any image. Love the overall compact form-factor. Image quality is great and the OM-1 has plenty of high-level specs. Also, since OM Systems is pitching the camera as an outdoor / wildlife / adventure camera, does not mean you cannot use it for different styles… Feels like you made quite a quick conclusion on this system without real substantiation.
I think anno 2023 this system is still very relevant and deserves a spot next to the ‘big guys’, since it is providing quite an unique overall solution including a great range of high quality lenses. Just my humble opinion.
I can confidently say that using MFT lenses for wildlife is the closest we're getting to being able to do street photography but for animals.
Issue is how many customers is into the system to keep massive R&D costs. Tony and Chelsea said you do not see much innovation and new releases. Only OM-1, what is the new body they release with the newest tech in different pricepoint? What Tony and Chelsea said is true. OM-5 was a recycle of older tech. It is not encouraging. They have a point about OM is not focusing on media creation and to much about crop factor.
My Olys are my fun cameras! Such great features. Sony is my workhorse.
@@carolsantulis1990 This is the biggest problem for the m43 manufacturers. m43 is seen as a secondary system, hence having less sales so less R&D. I read that the workfoce of Olympus Digital department went from 6000 employees to 2000 employees when sold and now called OM System. OM System revenue is only 200 million dollars.
Every one of their videos I see OM users getting upset in the comments. It's actually kind of predictable.
All they said was that OM should focus more on street photography and consumer cameras, and they're not wrong. The OM-5 is their cheapest body at $1,000, and that's a pretty penny for a hobbyist trying to get into photography. They absolutely need to offer a body somewhere in the $500 range.
I personally use an Olympus everyday, and love it. But it's ridiculous to see all of the hate from other users. What they said isn't incorrect even if you don't like it. If you don't like their channel, just stop watching it.
I have a lot of Canon EF lenses, but I am seriously thinking about switching to the Panasonic S5 II, as with an adapter all Canon EF lenses work as well as native lenses. So I would keep my Canon EF 100-400 II for example, but it would get even better because of the IS and the very good autofocus in the Panasonic S5 II.
OM should put out a new pen-f
Just bought a used Pen-F. Photography is FUN! Love that sexy machine.
29:50 the comment about the system is spot on. I moved up to FF Sony (A7r3), for IQ (and it did not disappoint) and lenses. However, then I found that video handheld was trash, and that all those good IQ lenses all had breathing for ages, and that video was in bad 8 bit codecs and limited in many ways. Then I saw that the microjitters would never go away (even my sisters A1 has them!) and many of the features I wanted were limited to expensive bodies. So I went to the S5II, good enough video AF, much much better video IQ, better ergonomics, and an ecosystem of good inexpensive primes and good, inexpensive variable aperture zooms. Now excited to see if the Samyang 35-150 arrives soon and how it works with the camera- knowing that SW updates will keep me happy if new things come up. System matters!
Always dreaming of getting a new camera! Interesting to see these brands battle it out by coming out with great updates and features. I don't think you can go wrong with any of these brands. Of course, in the end it's the skill of the photographer that is most important. Thanks for a great discussion.
Nikons mistake was not immediately jumping into mirrorless once Sony gained some traction. I own a few older Nikon cameras and Nikon glass. Their older cameras had amazing image quality sooc. They let Sony progress while Nikon gave up a lot of customers to Sony and canon. If they had just went all in as fast as possible the. I think they would’ve been tied or even higher than Sony. What choice did Nikon shooters have after the d850 and the d6? Most people could see that dslrs were dead when Sony gained a lot of traction and canon followed. It’s just too bad that Nikon made that mistake. They were one of my favorite camera brands. Now I’ve moved into the Sony ecosystem and it doesn’t make sense for me to go back.
Going al in is pretty risky as a business tho?
They probably did not have the ressources to develop a competitve mirrorless system a fast as Sony did.
As a longtime "Pentaxian" I recently switched to the Nikon Z system (Nikon Z6 II) with their fantastic S-lenses! I am sooo happy with my decision, that was mostly based on the fantastic haptic of the Nikon Z6 II, its build quality and because Nikon offers the only weather sealing that is quite on par with the ones build in Pentax cameras and lenses! Canon is quite behind both of them and Sony`s weather sealing is more or less useless!
Same thing here. Pro Pentaxian since the 80s, switched to Sony and am delighted.
I also think that Nikon offers the best ergonomics, weather sealing and overall build quality/feel.
Canon not only blocks 3rd party lenses, but they won't make any mid-range primes e.g., 50 1.4 etc. Why?
I've switched eco-systems twice now in the last 20 years... Started with Nikon... upgraded a couple of times in that period, D200, D7000, D7100, D600. Then switched to Panasonic, GH4, GH5 -Started wedding videos... then 5 years ago switched again to Sony, A7iii, AC7, A7IV, ZVe10. I'm staying with Sony for the remainder... just great gear, great value, great gear/lens selection. I still do weddings, but with Panasonic gear... But would love to switch to FX3s at some point....
I think that you cannot go wrong with any of the Big Three companies. You just have to decide what qualities are most important to you and make a decision accordingly. I love the ergonomics of Nikon cameras. I had first picked them up in Best Buy and I liked the EVF as well as the grip on Nikon the best. When I first bought into the system 2 years ago, the lens availability was a bit lacking. They have since fixed this. The menus are easy to navigate, and I like the Z mount and all the glass that goes with it, especially the S series glass. I own a Z50 (which I never use anymore) and a Z6 which meets all my needs. I don't really enter into any situations that are really taxing for the autofocus. If I needed more MP or found the autofocus was not cutting it, then I would probably upgrade to the Z8. I would be very curious to pick up the newer Canons, but I am all set with Nikon.
Chelsea, I have to agree with you concerning the AE-1, my first SLR was a AE-1 Program, so I am a bit bias towards it, but I just love them. My dad bought it new, and when he got his EOS-3, I took it over from him.
One thing I didn’t hear you mention is that Sony also makes all of the sensors for the iPhone which means they have a huge incentive to continue to invest in cameras/sensor technology
They also make sensors for the other big camera brands.
This is a great show. So much valuable information. I want to know if it’s possible to get the Leica dynamic range and detail in a portrait when using a Sony a7 III?
I can't really remember why but when i bought my first DSLR it HAD to be a Canon (350D) in 2005. To be fair Canon ruled the world at that time with Nikon in second. Sony wasn't even around at the time I think. I feel the same way today. Yes you are absolutly right about Canon being somewhat boring but still to this day I love the look and feel of a Canon in my hands.
I bought a Canon RP a few years ago. When I was looking, I really didn't want to spend a fortune on an R5 or A7 IV. I also have some EF glass that I would have had to sell and re-buy in the E-Mount, which adds to the cost of switching. I tried out the A7III, and while it was close in features and quality, the RP was a better value for me, and I've never looked back.
I've tried Nikon, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Sony...and I still prefer Nikon over the rest. It is true that Sony's autofocus is the best, but I don't like using them, always end up selling them. There's 0 soul, they're plain and boring. Photography should be fun, creative, artistic, whatever you want to call it. With Nikon I always want to grab them and go shoot. Just wish they came out with some newer bodies that are not 5k and heavy as a brick. Hoping for a Nikon d810-ish sensor on a newer Z6/7 body.
I never thought I'd own a M43 camera, coming from full frame Canon and APS-C Fuji. I've really enjoyed my OM-5 and carry it everywhere. The depth of field offered by the sensor is perfect for street photography, and it is small enough to not get noticed. I agree that their focus should be elsewhere (a new PEN, for instance), but I am enjoying learning macro techniques. Their monochrome JPEGs look great, too.
I went full circle from M43 to APSC to Full Frame, back to M43. For landscape photography the shallower depth of field is a benefit. For wildlife photography the 2x crop factor gets you closer with a smaller lens. The smaller lenses let me bring more options with me when traveling. The low light capabilities are not always great, but some of the best astrophotographs I have taken were with my M43 system despite the full frame system costing me 5 times more. When doing portraits, clients often prefer the images from the M43 system over the full frame system making it hard to say which is really the A camera and which is the B camera. As technology continues to evolve and new products come out, I am excited to see what M43 brings us.
New MFT guy. Portable, fun, and less expensive. Love it
The new-ish OM 90mm macro lens is stunning!
@@UnconventionalReasoning That is what I have heard. I just wish it didn't cost so much. I like to dabble in Macro, but hard to justify spending that much just to dabble.
@@ElMundoDuro Same here. I'd love to pick one up, but as a beginner it's out of my price range. The 60mm macro is frequently on sale, though, and does a good job at the price point. It's also frequently on my camera as an everyday/walkaround telephoto lens.
Panasonic is my favorite. But I’m disappointed by all brands for not having computational photography on par with iPhone 14 Pro if not better. Specifically blending 100s of exposures in a split second to produce a single Raw with insane DR. No excuse in 2023.
I’m tempted to buy a Fuji xt2 for a good price and adding some good glass. Is it still worth buying?
My first 35mm SLR camera was a Minolta... With powered zoom Sigma lenses and the body had plug in feature cards, e.g. for portraits. Very innovative. Then Sony bought them for the mount. The lenses on my Minolta worked on the digital Sony body A390 and the body had IBIS !!! .... but no power zoom. Way ahead of it's time. It took a decade for Canon to catch up and put IBIS in their bodies. Level pegging now as Nikon slipped back... Nikon used to be the professionals choice, for photo journalism. I use Cannon R5 but wish for more lens choice and delivery of rumoured firmware updates to maximise the processing ability.
I’ve only recently became interested in photography again. In the 1970s I majored in photography at a community college, and was a serious hobbyist. Needless to say it was film. I did both color and b&w work, but mostly b&w. I loved working in the darkroom. I started out with Canon (AT-1, completely manual), but later switched to an Olympus OM-1. Coming back to photography I did quite a bit of research, and settled on Sony, not because of what I ended up purchasing (Cyber-Shot DSC HX409v), but for the future camera I’ll buy if I decide to continue with the hobby. I must say I was a bit shocked at the prices of modern digital cameras, but equally shocked at the capabilities of those cameras. My current “next” camera will probably be one of the two new 7C cameras: the 7C Mark II, or the 7C R (I’ll wait for your review). And I really want that FE 70-200mm F4 Macro G OSS II lens. I had decided my future camera before buying the HX400v to play around with. I’m an old fart, 74, but I still like having fun. I only considered Canon, Nikon, and Sony. I just couldn’t make myself like Panasonic or Fuji. Thanks for your channel. 😊
Look into the price of film and developing and the price of the digital camera is easier to take.
I’m older too and found myself with a Easter egg of funds and longed to get back into photography from my youth, I started with a 2nd hand Canon setup from a friends older brother and loved it then I got the Nikon D90 and progressed to a Nikon D300 and it broke about 15 years ago and I was never able to repair it so I sold everything off, that was a mistake because I had a lot of great lenses. So just a few months ago I decided to buy my dream camera…the Nikon D850 and a few really good lenses with accessories. I probably should have gone mirrorless but I’ve always loved the D850 when I read the spec sheet and looked at it at our local photo shop back in 2017. Having it and using it has been a dream and I was a lot smarter about the quality of glass I bought. I still don’t have 1 more of the holy Trinity and I want 1 more lens but I’m really happy now. My advise is to really research your lenses and make sure you put as much into your glass as possible with any camera system you buy, I don’t think it matters what brand you buy as long as it has a good track record and foreseeable future and you can’t go wrong with Sony. I was really surprised with capabilities and Options they have, they are a terrific camera brand and I would pick them or Canon as a secondary option. Have fun!
@@edwardwilliams188 What's the D850 like? You still happy with your purchase?
I've been shooting with a old 70D for close to 10 years now. Only moving to mirrorless this year because of accident and insurance. ;) If it wasn't for that I would have probably still be shooting another 10 years :D
Any recommendations for film camera ? Just one camera and lens combo that's an allrounder for portraits and street photography ?
Nikon Z in APS-C lenses are now four Z DX lenses: kit Z 16-50mm, Z 12-28mm PZ (with power zoom ring), Z DX 24mm f1.7, and Z 18-140mm, however you can also add Z FF lenses. Four is more than just two Z DX lenses. There are also a half dozen third party Z lenses out there.
50-250, makes 5 native Z DX 😏
The f mount converter works great, so you can add modern F lenses to this as well. I occasionally shoot through an older 35 mm 1.8 'G' lens and it works fine.
Thank you for a good informative video. I mostly shoot video and I love my Lumix G85. Would I like to upgrade to the S5 II, sure but for now I am finding great success with a camera that just keeps going.
Good comparison, I am in a situation right now where I don't know whether to switch to Sony from Canon. I'm a hobbyist wildlife photographer and I shoot with a 90D and I love it. However, I was looking forward to the a6700 but i'm unsure if I should go with it. On one hand its Sonys best aps-c and there is a TON of lenses, on the other the R7 which has everything I want and more as it is the 90D successor. Although there is not as many lenses or especially affordable telephotos available for the RF mount; still the 100-500 gets a lot of praise (should I save up?) and there is rumors about Canon opening their mount up more. So, i'm unsure what I should do or even if I should go full frame now.
I own a canon 7dii, R7 and Sony A6600.
Of you own good canon glass then the R7 is the future, if own cheap low-quality glass then you can get what system / brand you want. I like my A6600 as it is small and a great travel and stealth camera. I use my canon L glass on it via sigma MC-11 EF to E mount adapter, and this set up works reasonably well. However when I put my EF L glass on my R7 the lenses are snappy, and very quick AF.
I enjoy having my M43 lenses and that's why I stay with that system. I like switching between macro, telephoto wildlife, and snake photography and it's easier for me despite having two beefier M43 bodies (EM-1 MARK II and G9). But if I had the ability to invest in 35mm format, I like Nikon. Never had FF but like the beefy body and they have a nice selection of affordable wildlife gear. But there's already great wildlife selection for me with Olympus and Panasonic at MFT so I'm good.
The G9 and the Nikon cameras have a very similar feel and layout. It has been easy to go back and forth.
@@UnconventionalReasoning yes. I might get a Z6II or something down the road, but what kept me going with MFT is that there are wildlife and macro photographers that put out phenomenal work with the lens lineup available (Petr Bambousek's work is insane!) It's the reason I don't put much stock into what Tony says about OM's capabilities (although I agree they could stand to expand their audience to other genres as a business decision).
@@AguilaDeOnix85 I saw the OM 90mm macro lens a few months ago, it looks really sweat. The Nikon 200mm f/4D micro lens is unbeaten, though. The smaller lenses for 300mm is definitely a bonus with M43. I think Nikon *must* release the Z6III in the next year. Since you're happy with M43 for now, I'd at least wait for the Z6III. Getting the same processor as the Z9/Z8 will be significant.
Never heard someone specifically mention "snake photography". Do you share your photos anywhere online?!
Loved your book "Stunning digital photography"! I use my Fuji GFX 100s for portraits and landscapes. Love the images for the price. I am looking forward to the canon R1 to see how it compares with the Sony A1. I have shot Canon and Nikon for years with the last Nikon being the D850 and the last canon being the R5. Favorite lens RF 28-70 F2. Favorite lenses for the Fuji GFX, 45-100 and the 110 F2. I feel clumsy with the Sony user interface and the cost of the CFX-A vs CFX-B was a lot. Good luck and wish you both a lot of luck. Shooting since 1979.
Thank you for this video -- well laid out and nothing much to dispute
I am deeply invested in time; number of images taken and length of footage taken; and in gear from Nikon and Hasselblad - I have no intention or need to change systems. I have been on a bumpy ride with Nikon until I received my first Z9 (I have had 2 since Feb 2022) and then the Z8 (I have 2 of these as well) - why 20 fps Lossless RAW / 8.3K 60p or 4k 120p N-RAW N-log all on quite possibly the best wildlife/action glass from anyone the Z400/2.8TC and Z600/4TC together with full coverage in FF s-line zooms from 14mm to 400mm and a selection of primes. I am old and the weight/size is no issue for me.
Then came the X2D-100C and the TWO new V series XCD lenses (yes with the 2.5/90 still pending). Since H stopped the H-line the X series is their only game and so as you say if their camera brand is to continue in a meaningful way (so not just cameras for DJI drones which are selling) then:
a) they need to/must implement continuous AF on the X2D-100C and potentially add some form of tracking; and
b) the line-up of XCD "V" lenses needs to take over the XCD 4/21 (no longer in production) and the rest of the current wonderful but slow and heavy XCD lens line-up. AT $3000-4500 per lens on top of the $8000 body it is a big ask - but some of us diehard 16-bit shooters luv these files and the slower stills shooting experience.
No way was I buying into the GFX 100/100s lineup -- the far far too slow flash sync speed is a killer. Also the X2D and Nikon share the same flash heads/triggers and so I can swap between them easily.
I never had the issues you folk had with the Z9 or Z8 - but then I am really old and learned to shoot wildlife manually focussing back in the 1970s and then with really basic DSLRs all the way to the D5/D850.
The Z9/Z8 just blow all previous Nikons out of the water and so I simply do not care what other brands can do with their AF -- not after buying 14 of the top Nikkor Z-mount lenses, still owning 3 PCE and several Z-mount CINE lenses.
Chelsea's closing comment on needing to know basic photography is spot on; but I go further - as a pro-level shooter you had better also know your gear and I mean REALLY WELL, set it up for success with each type of subject you shoot and have built deep muscle memory so you are not fumbling about while action is in front of your lens. AND with all camera brands this is its own journey. Only fools drop $10k, $20k or a whole lot more and expect the camera to do all the work -- they will not. Please if you are such a fool - just stick to a cell phone.
Excellent discussion. Personally I have preferred Canon interface design, but my favorite is still my Nikon D750 full frame.
Appreciate the video. I'm an beginner to intermediate photographer looking to get into the full frame world. I really like the ergonomics of the Nikon z6ii and z7ii, but I know they lack some of the features that the Sony alpha series has. Do you think Nikon will ever trickle the tech from their top tier cameras into their intermediate bodies? Or am I better off going with a company like Sony that has more 3rd party lens support, and seems to be innovating more when it comes to different tiers/lines of cameras?
It's interesting you said that Sony doesn't have any more affordable entry options for full-frame. As a newer hobbyist photographer, one of the reasons I ended up in Sony was because they had quite a few older (and therefore cheaper) models still in production. I ended up with an A7R3. I paid about as much as I would have for an EOS R8. Maybe keeping older models in production is how they get around not having cheaper full-frame entry models?
Sure sony has affordable options like the a7iii but you dont really want to go lower then that
@@pkay610 for sure, the original post was about ff so that would explain my comment. :)
exactly, just got a7r iii for like 1000$. in my country a73 and a7r3 cost +- the same, with a73 being sometimes pricier than the r3 on the used market. and it feels like the best deal I've ever done. went with r3 cause I've wanted more details and ability to crop + to see improvements over 24 mp. since it would be my 3rd camera with 24mp if I went with the r3. and full frame 42mp for a bit less than 1000$ is just a banger.
Thank you both for your thoughtful attention to the industry and this topic. I've been evaluating/reading and watching every video comparison between the Sony A7 IV and the Canon R6 II for a few months now. I keep swinging back and forth. Luckily I'm not pressed for time at all. And even though Canon wins for so many checkboxes that matter to me, the lens cost and lack of 3rd party is a huge hit against them. And this week I heard that Sigma is finally licensing the RF mount and there have been murmurs that Tamaron will soon follow. So, I may jump into the R6ii and just get an RF100mm F2.8 L Macro IS USM for just under $1K and live with that (and maybe 1-2 used EF lenses) until Sigmas arrive. As much as I like some Sony A7 IV features - I think the more pro features in the Canon will serve my needs more fully.
Think its jist whatever feels good for you. This teenage a lot of cameras get most of the stuff you need done for you. It's just about the fill of the camera and it has how it makes you feel and a motivates you to go out and shoot. Sometimes the top of the line equipment are not made for some people cuz it's too complicated. Maybe they just need something simple or vice versa. But I always still love seeing videos of pros and cons ❤️ lol
I shot Nikon for over 30 years. Late 2022, I invested $18k in a complete Sony kit. Since I do not shoot sports or wildlife (I shoot travel, architecture, portraits, boudoir), I opted for the A7RV due to the resolution. I also bought the batt grip (not sure why LOL) and all GM and GM II glass as well (16-35, 24-70 II, 70-200 II, 35 1.4, 50 1.2, 85 1.4). With the exception of the Sony 85mm GM lens, I could not be more pleased with this kit. Challenging photos like night time travel and low light boudoir photos are absolutely stunning with this body and any of the above mentioned lenses. As a side note, the Tamron 35-150 2.0-2.8 lens is AMAZING on my A7RV.
I hope you can appreciate how fortunate you are. I am satisfied with my a7r4 and 7 lenses of which only one is Sony. My favorite lenses are the Sigma 150-600 sport and my Tamron 24-75 v2
This is great video! I have always liked Canon and used many Canon cameras over the years. But good camera is good camera no matter what the brand is so I have also used Olympus, Nikon and Panasonic cameras. Sony has been just a dream for me so far.
I do agree if OM systems want to be sought after buy more photographers, and to keep the photographers that use her system. Currently they need to come up with an all new sensor with a minimum of 28 megapixels of resolution without losing the low light performance the camera has currently with the current sensor they’re using with the OM-1,
After all the pixel density is higher on the small sensors, I think an 8 megapixel improvement and resolution would be sufficient seeing that the sensor is quarter the size of a full frame sensor, you cannot beat the build quality of their cameras for going out, and all kinds of terrible weather in their cameras are built to last, unlike some cameras that are made to be disposable.
I am a Sony user but I would like to see them take on Fuji in the comsumer market. Maybe produce a fixed lens small bodied full frame or possible they could partner with a film company (Kodak?) and make film simulations for in camera jpeg processing.
Just ignore all this nonsense about which camera is best. It is pretty tedious. Just use the camera you feel happy and comfortable with, the one you enjoy using.
I enjoy using Nikon and Fujifilm. Nothing against the other makes, it is what I am happy with and enjoy.
I still use film and sometimes a Micro four thirds Lumix. I even use an old point and shoot with the ever beautiful CCD sensor.
Photography should be fun, I do not use a Sony, for example, because I do not enjoy them, but they are still a good camera (maybe the images are a little bit to digital and sharp for my liking, but that is personal taste)
Many people lack your experience, so they benefit from the input of others like T&C.
Another great post
I love my Nikon and Panasonic MFT cameras. The fact that people like you... have convinced people to sell their awesome equipment, so I can buy them used... for a good bargain... THANK YOU! Proud of my images with this equipment. Keep up the good work!
Best post of the thread
NAILED IT.
I have benefited with lots of used camera and lens purchases in the last few years. Lots of good gear out there that was state-of-the-art in 2016. But people like Tony inspired these consumers to buy the latest.
Damn right. I'd like to thank him personally for financially crippling other people going for a $6500 body and $15,000 lens so I can buy something that's beyond great for 1/20th of the price.
I shoot Fuji and Nikon. I'm a hobbyist and I dont care about outstanding eye auto focus and generally Am not interested in either Sony or Canon. I'm just comfortable with Fuji and I love the well balanced feel of my Nikon z6 & 7.
Im strickly a video shooter which is why I shoot CANON. I hate them as a company but, I love their colr and auto focus. Ill die with an R5 in my hand! Great video as always!
Informative and fun discussion! Thanks. I sold my Canon 7D in 2015 for a Sony a6000 and have been evolving in the Sony system ever since due to familiarity and lens purchases. It's nice to get info on the camera landscape. Waiting to see what the Sony a7CII or 7Cr is like because I'm enamored with the smaller form factor and heck, who doesn't like buying a new camera for a little inspiration! But I totally agree, keep working on your photography skills and you'll take great pictures with most any camera.
I gifted away my 7D in 2015 and I still miss it. Newer cameras are faster, with sharper, cleaner sensors, but they're missing something I can't put into words.
I had an a7R II and a 5DS R. I got *rid of them and kept my Nikon D70s. I'm a hobbyist, so I'll take emotion and feeling over resolution and cleanliness.
*typo
Problem is those aren’t much smaller than the a7iv etc. they just have a worse evf. You are better off with a 6100/6400/6700 for the size benefit.
What about Sony E mount being too small to really leverage IBIS, especially for video. That’s not fixable, unless they create a wider mount
I just purchased my first mirrorless camera. My first choice was Canon but because of the third party lens issues, I decided to go with Sony.
Thanks for all the great reviews and info.
Having watched your video if I was starting from scratch I’m not sure which brand I’d choose. However, I’m not. Up until about a year ago all I had was a Panasonic TZ95. It’s small, about 24-600 Leica lens and takes nice pics, (6 times crop factor). I still carry it with me nearly all the time rather than carry large telephoto lenses. However, I went on holiday with a couple who took their photography seriously (he’s actually an award winning documentary maker) and obviously they were shooting with “proper” cameras so I decided I needed one. I really can’t remember exactly why but I think I just liked the retro look of the Fuji brand with the dials etc so went with Fuji but with the XS 10, the one without the dials. A few months later I regretted I hadn’t started with the retro looked so bought a second hand XH1. So now I often shoot with three cameras. Having two Fuji X mounts the lenses are interchangeable so maybe on one the very good 18-55 and the other either a 12mm or the 50-230. So, I have never shot with Canon, Nikon or Sony but I really really love the images that the two Fuji’s produce. What I think all Fuji owners love are the SOOC film simulations that I don’t think any other brand can offer. There are I think 19 standard simulations but literally 100’s more that users have devised that can be easily programmed in (limited to 4 and 7 on my two cameras). So this to me makes photography so much more interesting being able to shoot with different simulations to get SOOC jpegs ( I shoot raw as well just in case I need to bring really dark areas up) with completely different looks. And there’s another feature all Fuji’s have and that is you can bring the raw file up in camera and create a jpeg from any of the in camera simulations and make other changes. On the many Fuji Facebook pages I’m seeing all the time that people are giving up on one of the major brands and moving to the Fuji brand, they must be doing something right. So, Fiji gets my vote but that’s all I know and love. As I’m 76 I don’t think I’ll ever need to change.
Question, do you tend to crop because it's difficult to get birds in flight in the spot you want (so you crop to center the bird) or do you do it because you need the extra "zoom" that micro 4/3'rds gives you natively?
You can get the same level of zoom with any sensor size. Usually you crop because you can't get close enough. But yeah, a wider angle of view or a zoom is useful for fast-moving birds. Being able to crop 1.5x and still have 20 megapixels allows you to have a wider view and makes tracking easier. It's the benefit of shooting high megapixel FF as opposed to APS-C, too.
I personally picked up a used Sony A5100 to try out the hobby, couple of lenses (3rd and 1st party) later, now the a73 is on my wishlist for black friday.
Thanks to both. You're absolutely fabulous
Pentax - not a mention! Yes, useless for video but great build including weather sealing and with a menu system that's simple to use and great viewfinders. They last as my K5 from 2011 proves. For someone on a budget the compatibility with older lenses combined with this build means you can have a system that's still reasonably priced and allows the novice to experiment and learn their craft.
Brilliant cameras, still prefer using Pentax to my mirrorless camera, even if you do have to work it a bit more. In the end that becomes part of the joy.
I've always been with Nikon, starting with their Coolpix cameras when I was young, but it's when I decided to buy my first serious video camera for filmmaking that everyone raved over Sony despite having a terrible low-end market. I was being told to buy Sony as a future upgrade path, I was being told to buy Sony because they're "designed for videography" (whatever that means) and I always had youtubers tell me that Nikon is "getting better" despite being on-par in multiple areas. I never shook that feeling of buyer's remorse because of the insults and biases from other brand users, and any consolation from the Nikon community came from 60+ year old photographers (including my grandfather.) Nikon seems to be struggling with the younger market I guess, but it's the bias that a lot of youtubers have that are contributing to this issue.
I have shot every brand, even Pentax. I hate Sony. Terrible ergonomics, colors, rendering, jpegs. I sold A6300 shortly after buying. It was a brick in my hand. I now shoot Nikon full frame film and Fuji mirrorless
Agreed that the a6300 sucked. Sony has since changed their color and won our blind color science comparison. The newer FF cameras have better ergonomics (though not as good as Nikon).
I am having a hard time debating whether or not to get the canon R6 Mark II or to get the Sony A7CII. I shoot some portrait photography but lately I have been shooting photo and video of my 12 year olds basketball team. which one would you say is better for this? I currently have a Canon 5D Mark III. I can't really find any review videos comparing the two cameras. Thank you for your help.
I have the Canon R7 and R8 with the rf100-400mm and rf800mm for birds and wildlife and I'm very happy with them. I don't like how noisy the less expensive Canon small prime lenses are when focusing so I have an A7iv with several Sony prime lenses. I like having the flexibility and freedom of choices of the different lenses and systems.
This was a great comparison, and I shared it with my Fujifilm owners group
Hi Tony and Chelsea, I always enjoy these multi brand discussions, I always learn something.
Sony does it for me because you can get some great third-party glass, the mount is interchangeable with it's APSC line, they are constantly releasing new tech, and there are many different priced bodies that suit almost everybody. Fujifilm is my second favorite as they have the best aesthetics/shooting experience, and make excellent travel cameras.
Same here. Sony for me is #1 and Fujifilm is #2. I’m in love with the A7Sii (it’s my lover), and the Fujifilm X-T4 (it’s my best friend).
And since Fujifilm decided to open their mount, third party lenses started to come for Fujifilm
I currently own the a6600 and a couple APS-C lenses. I find the new a6700 to be enticing BUT I am going to wait for the a7S IV to release before making my next purchase.
Love the comment about the AE1, owned that one. I went Nikon because of a friend, I could borrow lenses, until I could afford. I am mostly happywith the Z system, love there Lens quality, and price. I believe Bodies are transitory and great glass is still the way to go. Considering an upgrade to the Z8, when I can afford.
When I first went into digital photog, I bought a few Fujis over about five years finishing up with the X-S1 in 2012, that for its day, was quite an amazing camera. However, since about 2012, I have been Nikon all the way. As I bought new bodies my lenses would all work on the amazing F mount, saving a fortune. Now with the Z system, Nikon Z lenses are really really good but also my older F glass can be adapted quite successfully. Yay!! So at the various price points Nikon has made fairly compelling bodies and probably my favourite has been the D7500, a camera that many avoided because of only one card slot, but that I got on “special” saving hundreds of dollars. With the sensor from the D500 it takes magnificent photos and, “touch wood” I’ve never had a card fail, so, so much for double card slots. Cheers Y’All.
Wanting to change to a new camera system I want to go to a medium format but am captivated by the Canon fast lenses. 85mm at f1.2! The Hasselblad and Fuji systems are sadly lacking in fast glass. Great show! I am a fan and watch all your videos. Thx.
I love the Leica Q2 for me it is one of the best! I'm looking forward to the Leica Q3 whit 60 MP!!! I love this luxury brand a lot! And I love street photography! Great video ❤
I have a chance to get a 1500 Lumix s5II with 2 lenses via a retailer, the camera is listed as open box new, I'm new to photography is this a good brand to start with? I was going to buy a R50 from canon but with 2 lenses kit it is almost 1000.00 while I think I'm getting a better overall camera in the s5 ii, I will be a hybrid shooter that will use it for landscape photography and YT product reviews. I was looking at the R6 , a7c or a7iii but I haven't been able to find either at the same price point of the lumix. The more I keep looking the more time passes and the more undecided I become xD.
The AE-1 was my first camera as a kid in 1977 - still working today... 😯😵💫😂👍🏼
If I want to shoot with all these manual tilt shift lens,, should I get them with Sony A7RV with the practical 4 ways screen or Nikon ZF for the classic dial experiences? I shoot video with Panasonic HC-X1500 camcorder mainly but when I want low light or specialised video scenes, I do want to shoot with the camera?
Nikon Z-Mount can take any lenses from Sony E-Mount, Pentax K-Mount, Canon EF-Mount, Leica M-Mount and Nikon F-Mount. Most of them with autofocus if you buy the right adapter. It's the most versatile mirrorless camera mount on the market.
A camera is a box that shoots pictures and videos. if you take the time to learn how to use it, you can make great pictures with just about any of them (well except the ZV-1F). I got into all of this because the ZV-E10 was $700 and had a boat load of lenses to pick from. I started with the E10 in auto-mode for everything..... my pictures and vids were in a word c-rap. Then someone told me to use the auto-focus and use manual for everything else... for the first month more c-rap, then things got better and better as I shot more shots and filmed more film. Now I think I could pick up just about any camera (well except the ZV-1F lol) and do good work. I said good not great but I think I am growing each day.
it sounds like you are learning! good job! what is up with the ZV-1F? i wanted that camera then saw the reviews and said "i will keep my mobile"
the best brand is the one in your hand.
Very simple. The best camera brand is the one that YOU like the best. They all do things that people like and dislike. It's what works for you
Olympus, OM is best.
Nikon D500 and D850 owner, I like those cameras and have good glass.
I recently bought used E-M1 III and Pen-F cameras. I love them.
Light weight and fun. Excellent computational photography and weather proofing. Lenses are good and relatively inexpensive.
I'm hooked. Megapixel chasers need not apply. Tony lost me.
I dropped Canon in the spring when I noticed my EF lenses Image Stabilization never ever turned off on any Canon RF camera with IBIS such as my R6. I tested it out and saw that on my R6 it was on all the time (I tested 7 EF IS lenses). On my wifes RP the EF IS worked no differently then it did on my DSLR's. A Canon RF lens mount camera with IBIS NEVER TURNS YOUR IMAGE STABILZATION OFF!!! And sadly no TH-camr DARES talk about this.
But truthfully I dropped Canon because I realized this "flaw" was something they were aware of and the are PURPOSELY trying to wear out your EF lenses Image Stabilization system.
Tony SHOULD look into this but he wont.
I have been happy with my Sony A7 IV and use a Sigma MC-11 adapter and my Canon IS lenses work no differently then they did on my Canon DSLR cameras. The IS turns off after awhile.
That has not been my experience at all.
I find myself agreeing practically 95%. Talking about complete system in/around systems thought, and taking into consideration their sensor tech, Sony is no1 today - even though body design wise they can improve flagship bodies. One question please : do you have any hints about new firmware for A1?
The other problem with the canon is, there is no high quality wide angle, weather seals lenses available with professional grade optics that are available with OM system, cameras and lenses.
I am looking to buy mirrorless, I shoot with Nikon and would like to stick to Nikons. I was looking into the Z 6ii, could you give me any advice.
Still loving Pentax.The only brand that's still fun and easy to use K3-iii Monochrome is amazing and a fraction of the price of Leica's
Thanks for your honest honest review
Fuji, Nikon, Canon and Sony are all brands that I have been at one point or another deeply invested in. Currently, I like Nikon best, but for the majority of use cases, Canon is the clear winner. Sony has the best autofocus technology overall, but they are poor in their menus and design. This is obviously subjective, but it has been my experience. Fuji is the brand that I have totally sold off primarily because it is just APS, not full frame. My primary system is the Nikon Z system with lots of lenses. I also have a core Canon RF system that comes out occasionally centered on an R and r6. Canon’s proprietary mount and focus on just high end and low end glass is a problem. I am not getting rid of the system yet, but it may be on the launch pad. I have the core of everything I need in both Canon and Nikon, so no sense of urgency.
Would like to hear about Ricoh/Pentax, Phase One, and Lecia's SL system too!
I would love to hear your opinions on Gopro
Great video. I’m upgrading from a canon 6D to get more into wildlife photography, but I’m conflicted choosing between the a9 mark 2 and R6 mark 2. (Used a9 ii is similar in price to r6 ii new). Would love to see someone create a head to head comparison of those, even though the R6 mark 2 is 3 years newer, simply because the a9 iii doesn’t seem to be surfacing.
Only took 4 months but hey, if you didn't buy already, the a9iii has arrived!
Thanks....
Started with the Nikon D90 around 2009 and now that mirrorless took off I bought a lot of pre-owned gear: the D500 for hockey sports photography and the D810 for all the rest, added some nice Tamron and Nikkor glass, all pre-owned. I am happy with it. Of course I would be interested to try the Sony A1 for hockey photography but I find the price still too high.
You should try the Nikon Z8. It is as good as the Sony A1 but much less expensive.
Hello, the difference between the "Olympus" 300/4.0 and a 600/4.0 is not difficult to explain. As far as the exposure parameters and are concerned, both are the same! The ff-lense only has a shallow deph of field, but for 11.000 Euros more!!!
......the angle of view is also the same.
@@richardfink7666 you are a victim of Olympus' disinformation. Noise and detail level is the same as full frame with 600/4.0?
For the price of a lousy, little, tiny imitation of a camera sensor at M43. Which is a better noise generator. Hands off M43, RIP.
@@josefmolina3510ignorance
@@josefmolina3510 I was very disappointed when I fell for the hype and purchased a full frame system that was newer and 5 times more expensive than my M43 system. I have since gone back to M43 for most things. M43 is far from dead, and with technology improving all the time, M43 is in a prime position to be the sweet spot of interchangeable lens camera system of the future.
I was caught up in the CCD vs CMOS sensor argument when looking for my first DSLR to replace/ supplement my Canon bridge camera. Tried a friends Nikon D3000 and was impressed with the results so bought one. Soon disappointed by the lack of control and poor low light performance. Now replaced with a D7000 and absolutely delighted. As I have Nikon lenses, will be sticking with that brand. But I am envious of Sony's in camera image stabilisation making their lenses cheaper, more compact, and lighter.
Started with Nikon DSLR, went to Sony A1/A9 but always disliked the ergonomics and the colors/rendering, went to Canon R3/R5, which I feel is much better than the A1(the R3, that is, R5 is not far behind, though). Nothing can touch the R3 in low light, cleanest files I've ever seen at high ISO. plus, Canon menus and ergonomics are just spot on. I have a Z9, and it's like going home to Nikon colors/files/ergonomics, just sucks it's all so heavy. The Nikon def has a pop/rendering the others don't have. In the end, it's all preference. Not every camera/lens is optimal for what you want to see.
Something I miss from Olympus MFT is the sharpness. I had a 50mm lens, not a pricey one and it was sharper than my APSC Canon.