I love the analytical and clear eyed view you have on how debating and arguing should be. Everyone has an opinion, its how you present yourself during that argument that makes your point worth listening to.
Actually, we shouldn’t speak to fascist and nazis like they’re decent people. Ben has inspired a few mass shooters. He talks about immigrants, Muslims, and people of color like they’re sub human. Just because he sounds educated, speaks fast, and seems well mannered, doesn’t mean he should be treated like he is a decent person. Bernie saying everyone should have healthcare and a republican getting shot, is not the same as Ben saying gay people and trans people shouldn’t exist. Embarrassing
@@millta the only real difference between a debate and an argument is mutual respect. So yes, if you choose to share your point in a way that is intended to insult, intimidate, or humiliate your opponent then what you have to say isn’t worth listening to.
There’s a reason why when most of us were growing up, we were told to generally avoid arguments about 2 things - politics and religion 😀. I feel like one of the biggest factors contributing to our current state of seemingly increasing division is the rise of 24/7/365 media where we’re constantly inundated with political and religious “propaganda”. I use that word because most people generally watch media that aligns with their worldview, which creates confirmation bias, which just makes us dig in even harder when it comes to debating “the issues”. Kudos to Ben and this young lady for showing us that we can disagree without resorting to ad hominems or childish outbursts.
I agree that generally arguments regarding religion and politics should be avoided where possible. Obviously if you’re out and about, working, shopping, etc., that’s definitely not the time or place for it. But I do feel discussions such as the one between this young lady and Ben are necessary. If you look throughout history, there has always been division, violence and bigotry in regards to politics and religion. I feel it’s sadly inevitable to have politics and religion without those things. It doesn’t make it justified or morally okay, but it’s just a sad reality. No matter the point in history or circumstances, there has always been people who let their emotions overwhelm their rational and logical thought process and take things to the extreme. But on the more positive side of things, look how far society has come and the many problems that have been solved over time. Sure nothing is perfect, and there are still lots of problems and challenges, but that’s why political discussions are needed, so we can find solutions to those problems.
I always had a problem with the words "homophobia" or "transphobia" because the Greek word "phobos" means "fear", and those words are not about fear, but rather prejudice and discrimination. That being said, I have way more issues with the prejudice and the discrimination in themselves than with the words used to describe it.
@@TheRealVarzens We know that hydrophobic materials don't have any thoughts about the water. We who speak English knows that the same word can be used in different contexts. Since we are talking about the human mind, we must use phobia as a thought. And I've never seen anyone react to a gay person like they would react to a spider. Have you ever seen a person jump on a table and scream in horror when a gay person walks by?
@@CelticSpiritsCoven so you acknowledge that the suffix can have a different usage but you insist that it can only mean fear when talking about transphobia/homophobia? Amazing
@@TheRealVarzens If we apply the term "phobia" to a person, then we are talking about instantly reacting in fear. So have you seen someone jump on a table and scream when a gay person walked by like they would do if a rat ran across their foot?
In my humble opinion the biggest problem today that covers a lot of what has been mentioned in this video is we live in a twitter / x / ticktock generation. What I mean by this is we are only allowed to give a short answer to a deep conversation and society will not let you give more than that and if we did try to type a long answer or record a long video people will clip it to bite size chunks and that could alter the entire answer to the social questions we are talking about. A few times before I’ve written a answer on places like facebook and TH-cam and gone in great depth why I feel and I believe in my humble opinion this is the answer and I’ve even had people I agree with getting mad at me because they clipped my response and took that small part not the answer in it’s entirety. Until people listen they have no real grounds to give their opinion on that answer because the answer they give will be almost wholly made up of speculation and misinterpretation. We need society to get out of this lazy mind set and be ok with opening up and speaking what’s on their mind entirely and then being patient enough to wait and listen to the replies don’t ignore them don’t cut them off don’t drift off because chances are that person listened to you and that’s why they have a long answer so do them the same courtesy as they did for you and listen quietly so you can give a informed response. This young person and Ben did this very well there was a few points they spoke over each other but it was not beating the other person down verbally it was just the heat of the debate. 👍🏻
Don't be humble about this, cause you're 1000% right. On of Our real biggest issue is social media and the ridiculous influences it has over the younger generation. Idk how many times I've heard something along the lines of "oh, I saw it on Facebook from a family member so it must be true" and it couldn't be farther from the truth. No one cares about actual truth, they seem to only care about the "popular" truth.
@@jesseamadeus5351 yes totally agree. I hear it being said all the time as “my truth…” I never understood this because what they are saying in essence is “I have no evidence and no one will agree with me I have nothing to back me up but… because in my heart I feel it it’s got to be true…”.
I think that's very interesting, given that no one actually engages with the points of leftists, where leftists are constantly dissecting right wing arguments word for word.
@@radiofloyd2359 not sure if this is a reply to me or if you was trying to reply to the video?. But my personal experience and point of view on that is that more often than not the left is arguing with the center and calling it right because it’s doesn’t align with its point of view. Where as the right will often see the center and the left point of view and understand the difference. I’ve even seen extreme left people calling left leaning people extreme right because the opinions don’t align. That’s the biggest difference is that unless the left’s argument is matched by their friends they are automatically foes. So who do you talk to? To try and discuss things?.
@@fubarghost13akawoz44 Engaging with points doesn't mean categorizing them in the way you want them to. It means carefully listening to and understanding the points, and where they come from. The left does plenty of that, while the right, frankly, just attacks strawmen 90% of the time.
She was great. That is what a debate is. That is what conversation is supposed to be like. She listens insightfully to his opinions and answers. She diesnt just wait to talk. ....like so many. I may not agree with her but I agree with the way she handles herself. Very uplifting. Gives me hope
Yaay!! She did a much better job communicating her points than most of us. So with one of the first points they discussed, in agreeing with Ben, I find that while people's words aren't inherently inciting hatred, the growing number of general people who are so unhinged as to take words and react in physically violent ways is incredibly alarming. Yet, we gotta keep pushing for the truth and civility, no matter how tough it gets. Preserve the freshness, stop the decaying process of the world around us, and don't hide in the dark, but disturb it with light. Be salt and light. Much love to you Alex! God bless!
She was very refreshing! People who communicate like this do way more good and progress for their points than the screamers who can't regulate their feelings properly.
While I agree with this is a free country, we should not dress xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, antisemitism or any other bigoted behaviors, gestures, or language as a disagreement. These things do incite violence especially when a person has a large platform. There is a such thing as direct and indirect ramifications. Lastly people should be free to believe in whatever religion they want and live by the principles and teachings of that religion. Hell believe that everyone else that doesn’t follow is going to hell. The issue comes in when you want to push the ideology of your beliefs over the autonomy of someone else’s life. I could be wrong but I don’t see others trans individuals preaching the goodness of trans and asking people to become trans. They are happy to be able to express themselves and have their outside reflect how they feel internally. They just want to walk in their truth. I believe this young lady articulated herself as well as she could. When the audience is not in your favor and clapping after every statement one side is making it is very hard to stay level headed and press on and that she did very well.
Alex I've been following you back when 400 thousand viewers took a while... love your input and following you... you're a rare individual who will openly listen to both points of view and your music reviews are always spot on
Love that you've made the decision to do this on your main channel.. These kind of discussions should be send out to the world.. People need to think about shit and not be closed minded and take a side.. Make your own opinion and debate with people who think otherwise.. That is what society and democracy is..
This isnt a discussion though. A real discussion on a topic would be two experts in the the field presenting two different points of view. Thats a discussion. This isnt a discussion, this is just this thing that Shapiro does to get clickbait youtube hits.
@@andrewvasquez7872Two people talking about a subject is a discussion. You don't need to be an expert or have a degree to make an opinion or to read a study. A child can do this. Also, this is a college, where discussion, debate, and discourse is its purpose. This is how you learn.
BEN TALKS FAST JUST TO THINK NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIS BS!!!! GUYS LIKE BEN AND VIVEK HAS GOTTEN THE ATTENTION THEY WANTED AND IT'LL HURT THEM IN THE FUTURE-MOFOS ARE FANATICS!!!!
She went into the discussion having done some background research (which it seems many don't) and seemed to be interested more in the answer than the fight. Also, Alex talking about being called homophobic and giving a quick side-eye when he hears sirens on the background 😳😂😂😂
lol, you got me here! Came in with preconceived notions, came out respecting the crap out of your point of view and rational take. You sir, have my subscription and like!
That argument that calling someone by their preferred pronoun is somehow forcing you to accept their opinion. It goes the other way too. If someone calls a transwoman "he" then that's forcing their opinion on the trans person. It's not simple. Well it is sort of simple in a way. It's not that difficult to use someone's preferred pronouns and it just seems polite. Why wouldn't you? Especially if you think that they're mentally ill. It would be like yelling "Cheer up!" to a depressed person. "It's all in your head". And I'm not saying that I agree that trans people are mentally ill. Shapiro mentioned the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) which has always been controversial, and used to list homosexuality as a disorder. He also likes to mention science in the few clips of his that I've seen. The question of what sex and gender mean is still debated and is not as simple as many people think. I'm not an expert but I have studied the development of sex and gender and I can't say that trans people are wrong. It doesn't seem impossible. Sounds like I'm having a go at Ben Shapiro but I can't really fault him on how he conducted himself here. I just disagree with many of his points. I can agree with having the right to disagree though. Yelling at each other doesn't get us anywhere.
Great you found ONE word that doesn't apply, and you plaster it all over the place.... There are people who are hydrophobic, and they do have an irrational fear of water. And there's a thousand words where "phobia" applied to people means "fear". kuddos to finding the one example that doesn't apply to people.
Hydrophobic - to repel water OR suffers from hydrophobia Hydrophobia - irrational fear of water At the end of the day, no one should care whether people have "phobia". If they are not causing physical harm, there is no need to worry. Worrying about "transphobia" is not only a waste of time but just as worthless as worrying about someone who has hydrophobia- a figment of imagination and no threat at all. No value. Thus, every should not care/pay mind to it.
@@tithannisk7470 I'm just pointing out the "how can I be transphobic/homophobic? I'm not scared of them" argument is just silly and an attempt to divert And no, it's not just one word I found. It's just an example of how idiotic it is to equating phobia exclusively with fear. As another example: Are xenophobes scared of other races?
@@TheRealVarzens I have the same problem with the word xenophobic to describe a racist. The fact of the matter is that phobia comes from "phobos" which means fear. Now I know languages evolve and definitions changes but using words like homophobic, xenophobic and the like gives an excuse for assholes to say "I'm not that, I don't fear them".
@@tithannisk7470Words are meant to communicate. If there's precedence for a suffix being used to express a given concept, it can be useful to have other words that express similar concepts have similar suffixes.
Words like "homophobia" and "transphobia" are used intentionally to create a bias. It's all about capture of the language. So looking at a dictionary definition of words that explicitly exist to create an image in one political bend is not going to be helpful.
I really like how she is very calm, that's how a debate/dialog should be. I completely agree with you bro! When you noticed Ben is cutting her off and how respectful she was, that is a great observation.
10:50 100% agree. You can share different views and still respect and be civil with one another. If it doesn't affect me on a personal level, why should I give a shit?
@@northernrime there are studies that less accepting enviroments for trans people lead to far higher suicide rates. Hell, I've seen with my own eyes how miserable trans people can be if they don't get the medical and social support they need, compared to how happy they can be when they do.
Ben is always so bad faith in these... Tried to do everything he can to overrun the conversation before real points can be made. She's doing alright though, she obviously practiced because it's human nature not to do this well in this platform. That's why ben does so many of these. Naw, nevermind. She didnt actually get anything... Ben just blatantly lied and she couldn't nail him on it, while he danced around the issue and moved the goal posts. This is precisely why you DON'T go this civil with Ben, you're playing his game in his house. It's like walking up to a blackjack table where the other players also all work for the casino.
@@claytonk for one, that there's no treatment for trans people. there is, transitioning. numbers bear it out. what he wants is something to make them "not trans" anymore. he also intentionally conflates sex and gender constantly. he knows the difference.
@@vinnie666 He said no good treatment. The su*cide rate is the same before and after transitioning. Most people would not consider that a "good" treatement.
@@makefootballviolentagain5258 that is just not true. at all. just social transition drops the suicide rate. hell, if a trans teen has one adult role model that accepts them, their suicide rate is cut in half.
What a total and complete beautiful conversation debate between two different points of view both are great speakers and intelligence there is nothing wrong with having a different point of view
Ben Shapiro is the worst becuase his composure and confidence make him SOUND reasonable, and the information he puts forth seems accurate at first so people WANT to believe in him. But put under even the slightest lens of scrutiny his arguments fall apart as the hypocrisy they are. He preaches 'facts don't care about your feelings' but his conclusions all start from a feeling he has that he works backwards from and cherry picks what facts he does and doesn't want to consider. Every time. He's a dangerous man. Your apparent respect for him is what keeps me away from this channel (I like you, Alex, and I LOVE your movie and TV show reviews but any time a political discussion or debate crops up over here you're way too kind on the conservatives. Who are factually wrong like 90% of the time but SOUND good)
The biggest issue when it comes to topics and discussions such as these is that you have reasonable people that will talk as Ben does here and will even practice it truthfully in the real world but there are too many that don't. An example of this: The idea that its against his religious beliefs for same sex couples to exist but in a free society they should be allowed to do so. In his ideal world, all churches would have the choice to marry them or not, so people would have to find a church that would. Fair enough, right? But that's how segregation happens, when there's zero oversight or power from a governing body that can influence everyone in every city/state. It would push people to congregate and gather up with every one of a similar prejudice and allow those people to do as the pleased without any limitations. Now, the opposite is also true with governments having the ability to influence and regulate everything fully. Then all it takes is for a hype religious set of congressman and presidential candidates to get into office and suddenly we're losing Roe V Wade rights and other freedoms solely based on people's moral interpretations guided by hyper religious beliefs that should be separated from governing bodies, one of the key principles instituted by the founding fathers.
Not a fan of Ben, he is dbag who is most the time incorrect or speaking his personal opinion really fast and with the authority in his voice to make him sound more credible when he isn’t or is often wrong or just misstating facts which is a nice way of saying lying. He gets famous because he is a quick talker that spits out so much b/s that the people he is “communicating” to have a hard time to respond because it’s difficult to address so many off the wall comments in a rebuttal. Of course I recognize that is my opinion and dude is way more famous than I, I just think we got to stop giving trolls like Ben a platform. I saw a video one time where someone paused between each of his claims and discredited what he was saying comment after comment, the thing is in real time, that’s hard to do when some one is just speed talking nonsense. It’s like trying to talk to a four year old with sensory overload. 😂 Anyway love your content Alex! Don’t be a dbag like Ben keep it light and loving like you do man!
I agree with you about Ben. He uses his verbal speed is a way of overloading the other person so they have too much to respond to; this can look like 'winning' to some, but it's actually just a bullying way to debate.
The problem with this discussion is that it’s dishonest at the end of the day. The woman was trying to say that Ben’s statements on trans people were based on prejudice and Ben said it’s simply a matter of searching for truth and that he doesn’t incite violence. Logically, one of them must be wrong. If you pay attention to what Ben is saying, it seems that his «disagreement» with the trans community is «I believe sex isn’t malleable, that females can’t be males and vice-versa». You might not realise this right away, but there is something very wrong with that sentence. Ben is talking about sex. Why? That’s not the subject of the conversation. Sex and gender are different concepts and this isn’t an opinion, it’s an empirical fact. And Ben knows this, he has been on gender debates where it was explained to him and he admitted that they were different concepts. So why is he talking about sex and not gender? Well it’s simple, he knows his audience won’t know the difference, and by pretending that the conversation is about sex he can refer to “biological reality” which makes him sound factual and his opponent sound delusional. Again, I wanna stress that Ben isn’t confusing the two out of ignorance, it’s a deliberate tactic. But then one could ask, what is his motivation since it doesn’t seem to be the search for factual reality? Simple answer: it’s prejudice, AKA transphobia. Which is made more obvious by the fact he isn’t just “disagreeing” with trans people but has actively advocated for measures aimed at preventing people from having access to transition, which is a violation of their freedom. Ben tries to justify this as «gender dysphoria is a mental illness and therefore we shouldn’t go along with it ». Now, is gender dysphoria a mental illness? YES!!! 100% it is!!! And what do you do with a mental illness? You don’t handwave it away, you take it seriously and you treat it! And would you look at that, the medical community has a consensus on what treatment is most effective: it’s TRANSITION. Now of course, despite the fact we have hundreds of peer reviewed studies showing that transition is overwhelmingly effective in treating dysphoria and helping people (99% satisfaction rate which is VERY HIGH for a medical treatment), Ben has the right to disagree with the medical consensus. But if you want to disagree with the consensus, you’d better have a better alternative to propose. So how does Ben think we should treat gender dysphoria??? By firmly saying “you are mentally ill therefore irrational so I will not go along with your delusion you need to accept reality” over and over under the sickness goes away maybe??? We don’t know, because he doesn’t care about helping disphoric people, he just doesn’t want there to be trans people existing because he finds it icky. Not to mention if we take into account the people he associates with, in the daily wire for exemple, we find unambiguously violent, sometimes borderline genocidal rhetoric being shared.
What are the statistics of individuals who get surgery and hormone treatment to fail at actually addressing their sexual disphoria? Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.
I absolutely love your comment! Just listening to this video now and I couldn't believe Ben didn't know the difference between sex and gender(!), but your explanation as to why he's conflating sex and gender for that audience rings true. Ben just wants to "win." His comment that he shouldn't be "forced" to call someone the pronouns they prefer (if they transitioned and are using the 'other' pronoun) is also disingenuous. If I were a trans person and asked people to call me male when I looked/seemed biologically female or vice versa, I wouldn't force them to call me by my preferred pronouns. I would ask them to respect me by calling me by my prefered pronoun. If the person chooses to disrespect me in spite of my request, I would quickly realize that they are not going to accept me for who I am and they would not be welcome in my life. Simple. No forcing of the disrespectful person is necessary. There would be no friendship offered to them at all. I wouldn't tolerate disrespect of that nature. Goodbye, see ya, sayonara.
I think she was great and respectful. Ben Shapiro never fails to have an attitude in his voice though regardless. Still kudos to her for being very clear, having good points and remaining leveled throughout the debate.
I wish all college kids could have this kind of pleasant, inquisitive discourse. I largely blame the faculty and parents, though, for the ones who are far more rude or ideological. This is why I always champion doing your own research. In the age of the internet, the answers are out there, you just gotta look for them objectively (ideally from opposing sources) to find the truth.
I would say is more the fact that when you are in a group where everyone thinks the same (be it left or right wingers) then anything that isn't aligned with those ideas can be perceived as an attack -since, in relative terms, is a deviation. We are humans and we tend to simplify reality in tribalistic clusters.
Conservatives want to brainwash college kids - especially Murdoch and racist Texans. I have seen their leaflets for decades, disguised as non-existent Republican groups. Nobody buys it - it wreaks of fake. I saw this during the 80s, and think these rich foreigners are Nazis.
@AlexHefner You definition of Transphobia is a continuation of the way that the internet has given too much power to the uneducated to shape discussions. The suffix "phobia" by definition means to have an irrational fear of... So I support Ben in using language correctly. For what she wants, she needs the suffix -ist, as in racist, sexist. I don't support Ben, but I support keeping language universally understandable, which requires that each sub-group doesn't rewrite language for their own "click".
I’m gonna be honest I just simply don’t share those kinds of views personally, that being said I believe that everyone should be able to have the right to their beliefs and opinions, doesn’t mean I’ll share them myself personally. Look I’ll say this in the most simplest way I humbly believe that we should live how we please. That’s all I’m gonna say
anything-phobia is a truly confusing way to label things for the general population, the word phobia suggests fear, but when paired it becomes a verb of sorts. My sons have photophobia from a genetic condition, but they aren't afraid to see light, the light causes physical pain from deformities in the back of the eye. But props to this young woman for articulating her thoughts and questions with respect. We may not all agree, which is super normal, but we don't need to act like raving lunatics with our interactions.
What i find interesting is how ben regards trans to be mental illness while ignoring religion being the same thing. Its like whatever he believes is normal and what he disagrees with is mental illness
The only issue I have with you watching politically motivated videos is that you seem to only watch people who lean right. You should mix it up and watch David Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, The Majority Report and Ryan Mockler just to name a few.
The problem with this example is that Ben is not trying to legislate against and remove the rights of people who are eating shellfish. Let' maybe not minimize by comparing someone's right to live and exist to a religion thinking shellfish is sinful!
Right to "live" or right to do anything no matter if it's healthy or natural for our species? The food restrictions of Jews have lots of natural health benefits & avoiding certain foods reduced your risk of illness or parasites. Though yes foregoing something or fasting etc can be an act of focusing on God & a form of service/worship. It's not a sin to eat x necessarily just because it is x (though obedience & taking the advice for the sake of it of someone you know has your best interest at heart & wants to protect you is also important) its a sin to not take care of your body.
I wish more people could be civil and agree to disagree, if you think the sky is blue and someone else thinks it's green, what they think doesn't change the sky being blue for you, instead just try to appreciate that other people can see something differently, it's not hard to be respectful
the reason disagreement is often seen as an attack is... well, because it often is. and it's very difficult to take someone at face value and extend your trust when they say things like "you are sinning" or "you are mentally ill" which are essentially dehumanizing statements not based on reality, demeaning to human beings who define themselves outside of religion or patriarchal values. so often the sort of argument shapiro makes here is a trojan horse or a dogwhistle for people who ARE hateful and who DO wish harm on those who defy their traditional beliefs. it's virtually impossible to accept his argument, logical as he may make it sound on its face, when he spends so much of his time fixating on the trans community, essentially denying their truth again and again and again ad nauseum, year after year. saying that he himself wishes no violence upon anyone is a copout, because he completely panders to those who do. i applaud this girl for understanding that this sort of measured dialogue is the only way to come out of a conversation with ben shapiro looking respectable. i mean, you know what they say about wrestling with pigs.
I love that you are looking up words to know what they actually mean, words are important. I just wish people would break down the word ( incel ) Maybe then they would realize its jibberish and doesnt actually mean anything. One cannot be involutarily subject to anything of their OWN volition.
The problem today is there's no compromise. People need too realize that we say things we don't mean or maybe we do? But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
One thing that is true all over the globe. We are ALL getting more Geopolitical, and Political. Is that good? Is that bad? Well, politics will decide. It is very interesting, and you should pay attention.
I do also think Ben interrupts in these forums a bit more because the Q&A is only about an hour, so he tries to go a bit quicker than if it were in a less formal setting
No, he has the podium, he takes advantage of him. The strategy of these "debates" is to generate the aesthetics of discussion while ultimately just having a one-sided monologue.
@@LIBOFFENDER44 I don't know? What I do know is that for all their flaws, liberals are at least harder to instantly refute. Like seriously. Give me any mainstream conservative argument on gender and I can debunk it, generally even by assuming all the facts they claim are true are true.
If you want to see a really good debate, check out Dr. William Lane Craig vs Dr. Sean Carroll. Don't react to it (unless you want to), it's a long debate.
I love this. And this quote is perfect, "People are offended left and right." 8:00 I think you meant it in a different way, but it works with the literal left and right. Everyone is too emotional. You should watch the recent Destiny and Shapiro debate. It is a similarly genuine debate. All in good faith. This video shows the Ben Shapiro that I listened to during the Trump presidency. I disagreed with him on TONS of things, but he was not just being a loud-mouthed right wing hack. That changed when Biden got into office. But now I am seeing these "normal Ben" debates and I am so loving them. I hope he hears messages like this, because he is so much better for the world as a calm-thrower, instead of a bomb-thrower.
1) the young woman is very courageous to present her argument in an obviously biased environment. 2) she maintains her composure even when her interlocutor talks over her, not allowing her to complete her thoughts. 3) If Ben is a religious Jew, when he speaks of Sabbath, he means Saturday and not Sunday, as you referred to in your comment, as Saturday is the Biblical Sabbath. 4) 🎉
@@aaron_451I mean you are also picking the definition…..the number 1 definitions is “an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation”. Aversion was added to the definition in 2013 by the DSM-5. “Phobia” has since Ancient Greece always meant irrational fear of something. Only the last decade has it meant aversion to something.
People have forgotten how to disagree with other people who think and see things differently. These days it's a your with me or against and nothing in between. Sad people have forgotten a basic skill that helps us all get along.
I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND using Merriam-Webster when looking up definitions. When you just Google definitions you're more than likely going to get a biased definition. The definition you read for Transphobia wasn't an accurate definition. Here's is the correct definition... trans·pho·bia ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə ˌtranz- : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
Good job Alex. I've only seen your music reaction videos. This was refreshing. Great episode! Great almost 3 way debate, if you get me. Cuddo's to ya. 👊
Ben is a hack. He’s great against college kids with a crowd that’s partial to him, but when he goes up against a Kyle Kulunski type, or an Anna Kasparian or David Parkman, he either hides, runs away, or totally gets demolished by them. He becomes the one that gets triggered and becomes a squeaky little snowflake then starts contradicting himself. One can also make the case that he’s a snowflake for getting triggered about someone who wants to go by whatever they want to be addressed as, like it somehow ruins his life.
Whenever i hire in a new agent in my office, there’s 3 rules i have. Do not steal anyone’s property, do not talk about religion, and do not talk about politics. No one in my office knows who I vote for or what is my party preference. Too much passion on both sides, which causes major problems.
I love how Ben Shapiro only really debates Children and not real adults who have lived their lives When he does debate with an adult, he gets crushed Like a guy question him about his religious beliefs in his Bible slavery was definitely OK with now. It is not OK with so at the end of the day people cherry pick what they deem, moral and immoral smh 🤦
"I've never called for violence nor would i" LOL sure, Ben. But anyway, yea, Im one of the ones that people would call progressive but not to the extend of "woke'. I'm a millennial. I feel like we made a path to all of these crazy inclusivity happen and then the next gen fucked it up with their childish anger. From both sides. So from what you, Alex, experienced about The New Mutant, Ive seen it too many times over the year. Being a mature person, i learned to know other people first before judging them. I know you're not transphobic/homophobic so when you say you just dont wanna see kids making out, I believe you. But alas, it seems like there are not a lot of mature people today and they really like to just jump to conclusion. But then again, you do like to make sex jokes even to children characters lol so you can see how your defence is kind of weak on that subject lol another cool video to share, Alex. Thank you
So sabbath in the Jewish tradition is on Saturday but Christians observe their day of rest on Sunday. Depending on what sect of Judaism there can be more to it such as not using technology on the sabbath but more often than not involves attending a service and spending the day with the family.
I think a problem is that Ben’s position of “yes I think you’re a sinner, but do what you want this is a free country” has become an outlier nowadays. People (including pundits on his own network) are openly calling for a legislative ban on gender therapy for ADULTS, same sex marriage, contraception, divorce, or abortion. The conservative sentiment has now become “the government should force you to adhere to my religious values”.
And that is unconstitutional! In the very first constitutional amendment it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." They cannot make up laws like anti-trans, anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-divorce and have their reasoning be religious beliefs! This is not a Christian only nation! They have no right to make laws or change the constitution based on their religious beliefs!
As a fellow 808 resident- I would like to know if you have thought about signing up for the seminar on running for local positions and campaigning- I ask because I wish I didn’t have so much going on personally right now- because it has been a thought. We have much aloha and respect here- we have always been a blue state- but I hear more and more students and parents talk about how they aren’t being represented anymore. That the family units - you know we are multicultural and multigenerational here- family and respect and learnings from elders aren’t happening- that many who have left Asia are scared about how the left is leaning- most of my personal community and work community is very center -live and let live- I don’t think enough people on the island know where to start- we are the only state that doesn’t elect their school board and have no say in our kid’s education and as someone in the know- most 8th graders read and do math on average of 3/4/5 grade leveled -3/5 years below their grade level. I think someone who is level headed and can see how both sides of a debate is behaving is important - and I think you should consider getting involved locally here - beautiful mixed up plate lunch of cultures and traditions We are slowly being pushed to be more like CA- we have lots of school programs that come from CA and DOE even has many come from CA to speak to educators- and that is scary to think in 5 years that the 808 could be a mini CA
i would have been curious about bens answer to her (what i believe is) her actual question. Of course he is not calling for violence (both of them established that), but is his way of speaking and framing of groups of people to be a certain way, able to incite violent thoughts and ideas? Because tbh i think the answer is yes. i dont know if he would agree though xD What do you guys think? Btw. not in this clip of course! loved the way she started this whole interaction with genuinity, and both are being sincere and respectful all the way through. He could have let her finish her points a bit more though.
Plz make your mum react to year zero by ghost! I know she is a Christian and my own christian mother found this song very interesting to say the least...
In this context, if you say "your are able to choose own sims" in relation to gender, you mean that sombodys important part of his/her personality is based on a sim; is not a simple dessagrement, you are judging the person itself.
I'm no fan of Ben Shaipiro, but, what was impressive about this exchange? She was fumbling her answers and Mr. Shaipiro give his usual snipy answers. Find more inspiring content to critque.
The problem with people talking about transphobia is it says it right there “having a prejudice against transgender people” I personally don’t have any prejudice against any person that I am aware of. I am however strongly against wild ideas that some kids and youth arrive at and the fact that many people in society today want to normalize these weird ideas that they get, especially when it comes to kids. like Allowing a doctor to do a surgery on a child because the child who doesn’t fully know what she or he is yet has something click in their head that says “I’m not supposed to be a boy or I’m not supposed to be a girl” and then society says OK well if you want and your parents say it’s OK let’s change that. Let’s give you hormone blockers and cut that stuff up and stuff it inside you or blah blah blah whatever they do to girls who “transition” that’s what I have a problem with. Im not against the persons, I’m against what society has done with these ideas and these thoughts and these feeling. these are life changing decisions that kids are making. they don’t even qualify. If there’s something wrong with the kid. Maybe there is a deep rooted lack of love. have they been molested? they just hear he has a problem. She has a problem they don’t feel like they’re right in their body. Let’s change that. and they don’t ever tell you about the ones that regret it deeply. Some of them even want to kill themselves after making a transition. Because sometimes they are not happy with the outcome of how their life is afterwards but when they were younger, they didn’t realize the ramifications of this process and once you go through with it, it’s hard to go backwards what’s worse is They’ve been blocked from having the natural hormonal process for years and now they haven’t had the proper puberty experience and their sexual identity is all messed up. And it goes on and on.
Generally speaking, children under 18 don't get surgeries that start the transition process. Puberty blockers stop the secondary sex characteristics from showing so the child may express themselves in the way they wish for a longer time. In this way, the child can make sure they want to have transition surgery later. For example, if I'm a girl and don't feel right in a girl's body and feel more comfortable living as a boy, I can be prescribed puberty blocker medications that will temporarily stop the production of the hormones that lead to breast development and the start of menstruation so I can continue to live as a boy. If, after a while, I realize I don't wish to express myself as a boy anymore, I can stop taking the puberty blockers and my development as a girl will proceed. The puberty blockers didn't stop my development permanently nor did they cause harm. Basically, puberty blockers would have allowed me to 'try on' what it would be like to live as a male. (This is assuming that I have a supportive family, supportive school, etc., and live in a state where I have access to puberty blockers and not in a state that restricts such things or criminalizes such things.) If I prefer to continue to express myself as a male, I'd probably continue puberty blockers as I hit 18 and up, where I can choose to start getting surgery to help me transition. There are many different trans surgeries: no one has all of them at the same time. It's a process that usually takes place over several years, depending on finances, work/school obligations, family/friend support, etc. And some trans people don't ever have any sex-change surgeries. The interesting thing about the trans subject when it comes up politically is that the population of the U.S. is about 336 million. Approximately only 1.6 million Americans aged 13+ identify as trans (per UCLA School of Law, Williams Institute). The way Repubs/MAGA politicians, etc., talk about the trans topic, you'd think there were people in every school across the country talking kids into having trans surgeries and cutting off kids' body parts when their parents aren't looking!! Why are they making such a big stink about trans kids and trans adults?? Why are there currently about 530 bills across the country (per aclu.org) targeting the LGBTQ population and attempting to take their rights away, or their healthcare away, or their protections from employment discrimination away?? To cause division. To gain votes. To create an enemy for people to hate and fear so they'll vote against the party that is trying to protect LGBTQ rights. To spread religious ideas against people who some consider 'different' or 'not living the way god/jesus wants them to.' Gee, all these reasons gain votes for Republican politicians, what a surprise!
I don't think it should be difficult at all, but it seems to really confuse sooooo many people, especially MAGA types. It would be easy to explain to them if they just stopped yelling long enough to listen. ;-)
I'm not transphobic. I don't fear trans people. I do believe that for a lot of people, it's a sexual fetish. I also believe that it's a tragedy to see somebody mutilate themself because they feel like they need to be in a different body. That's a mental issue I can't relate to. To each their own - just let me do what I'm doing, which doesn't cause harm to anybody. I do 100% stand against (alleged) sex changes to anybody below the age of 18 who hasn't had a full mental evaluation. Puberty blockers should be illegal. If you're 18 and want to mutilate yourself, that's on you.
As Alex showed in the video, transphobia isn't fear of trans people. It's prejudice against them. And saying that you think being trans is a sexual fetish is most definitely a prejudice.
@@makefootballviolentagain5258 All prejudices are also opinions. Prejudice just means you have pre-judged a group of people based on a single criterion; in this case the OP assumes that lots of trans people have a sexual fetish just because they are trans. It's no different than assuming that women are irrational or black people are violent.
dude, emotions are running high? of course they are if you keep interrupting people before they can finish their question or their attempt to defend themselves from Ben Shapiro twisting their words. watch again and notice how he cannot let her finish once what she's saying.
Well Alex, I'm terribly sorry to break the news to you, but when you have an opinion that's different from an emotional person's opinion you're a bigoted asshole to them and they're gonna call you that. Mostly it's never about what you say or how you say it, it's merely having a different opinion that triggers them. Keep the thick skin buddy, you're most definitely going to need it. Love your videos by the way.
But, following that reasoning, wouldn't you agree that Ben calling Obama or anyone who criticize Israel in the slightest way an "antisemite" is the embodiment of that very same attitude? You disagree with me the in slightest way, thus you are a "bigoted jew hater".
Not patently, no. I think you have not given enough attention to the distinguishing feature here. It does not matter the subject or focus only that emotional people react negatively regardless of your intentions or meaning. What you propose is very niche. A Jewish individual concerned about a subject pertaining to him and his identity. As a part of another conversation I think a facet of your statement holds true.@@davidgafo
@@davidgafo Of course buddy, everyone who's arguing from an emotional stance or playing to get an emotional reaction from the listeners is in my dictionary a manipulative bigot themselves. Specifically those who call for compassion for a side of a struggle while calling the other side bigots. It's a whirlwind of bigotry my friend, a neverending one.
The whole living in sin thing is so hilarious. Not the concept but the fact that people outside of the religion take it so seriously. Why do you care if you're breaking the rules of a game you're not playing?
Think the argument comes with the idea of influence over others which encourages violence etc in certain cases. This isn't the fault of the speaker, but they may unintentionally encourage things due to their platforms.
@@lewisadcock4459 I get that. But telling people to be religious quietly is never going to be popular. Especially when their religion tells them to shout it from the mountain tops. I don't see an end to this particular conflict.
@@andrejuarez The passing of time and the increasing normality will eventually encourage reform, similarly to historic discrimination against other minorities / groups of people.
@lewisadcock4459 If the bible said being black or brown is a sin I'd be tempted to believe you. But it's got some pretty literal rules about the LGBTQ+ community. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just find it hard to be optimistic about this.
@@andrejuarez Well the laying with the same sex being a sin was debunked a long time ago as a mistranslation. The more likely translation is that it would be perverted. Also you can already see reform in religion, a high proportion of religious people already accept things they might not completely agree on.
phobia 1 of 2 noun pho·bia ˈfō-bē-ə Synonyms of phobia : an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
As a trans person I’ve been waiting for my disability check for my mental illness… but all the doctors and standards tell me I don’t have one. When can we switch these doctors and organizations for Ben shaprio ? Also I wonder what studies he has looked at to show trans surgery has more than a 3% regret rate, this is anecdotal but I don’t regret mine , probably because I’m mentally ill. 😅 maybe one of his followers here can show me the trans surgery statistics he’s referring to without mentioning directly?
Or are they trying to shame by saying you have an irrational fear and that's a you problem. I guess that is what they are saying. It's stupid of you to have an irrational fesr.
Language in general is being diluted. I dont necessarily think it's changing the definition. People just aren't being taught to respect the sanctity of meaning, so the definition isn't being represented properly. I do think a lot of that misrepresentation is deliberate, though... and being skewed to propagate harmful information. Or, like Saiman said, used to shame and gaslight people into accepting the harmful information more readily. When I heard this young lady's definition of homophobic, I rolled my eyes. She conducted herself well, but I couldn't get past that explanation.
I just want to see someone debate him on irgun, lehi and haganah. The patria and King david hotel bombing. Or the Haavara agreement( you know that time prior to the holocaust when the yeshiva worked with hitler to deport jews then turned around snd bankrolled the bombing of dresden)
I see what she’s saying. This is a real woman. Respectful & Intelligent. But I do believe that the definition of transphobia should be reserved for people who are legitimately afraid of & fear trans people. If you just don’t like them….using the suffix -phobia is probably not the best choice.
@@lilkat42 I’d suggest the word that the trans-community is trying to replace the word ‘transphobia with” which is: “Transmisia” - the suffix of this word indicates hatred and intolerance rather than fear. A phobia is defined as an anxiety disorder with excessive FEAR of an object or situation (not a person) & the definition of FEAR is an unpleasant EMOTION caused by the belief that someone is dangerous, AND likely to cause pain, or be a threat”. So I’d definitely start using transmisia to replace transphobia. There’s less of a chance people will argue with you about whether they’re “transphobic” or not (bc you know everyone you ask is going to say they’re not “afraid” of trans ppl they just don’t like them) There’s your new word - go spread it like wildfire
@@lilkat42 You’re welcome, friend. I want to protect the trans community from discrimination & the best way to do that is call the people who do discriminate against them what they are - haters.
Ben wears a special kinda hat to shield him from angering an interdiamentional space wizard from a book of old fables. If Thor, Spider-Man, Jesus, Moses, or any other fictional character guides your life, you have no business trying to make decisions that affect other people.
I love the analytical and clear eyed view you have on how debating and arguing should be. Everyone has an opinion, its how you present yourself during that argument that makes your point worth listening to.
Ill add i came back and gave you a like as well. This is what the world needs.
Actually, we shouldn’t speak to fascist and nazis like they’re decent people. Ben has inspired a few mass shooters. He talks about immigrants, Muslims, and people of color like they’re sub human. Just because he sounds educated, speaks fast, and seems well mannered, doesn’t mean he should be treated like he is a decent person.
Bernie saying everyone should have healthcare and a republican getting shot, is not the same as Ben saying gay people and trans people shouldn’t exist. Embarrassing
So if my point is undoubtedly correct but I didn’t present myself to someone’s liking that would make my point no longer worth listening to?
@@millta the only real difference between a debate and an argument is mutual respect. So yes, if you choose to share your point in a way that is intended to insult, intimidate, or humiliate your opponent then what you have to say isn’t worth listening to.
There’s a reason why when most of us were growing up, we were told to generally avoid arguments about 2 things - politics and religion 😀. I feel like one of the biggest factors contributing to our current state of seemingly increasing division is the rise of 24/7/365 media where we’re constantly inundated with political and religious “propaganda”. I use that word because most people generally watch media that aligns with their worldview, which creates confirmation bias, which just makes us dig in even harder when it comes to debating “the issues”. Kudos to Ben and this young lady for showing us that we can disagree without resorting to ad hominems or childish outbursts.
I agree that generally arguments regarding religion and politics should be avoided where possible. Obviously if you’re out and about, working, shopping, etc., that’s definitely not the time or place for it. But I do feel discussions such as the one between this young lady and Ben are necessary. If you look throughout history, there has always been division, violence and bigotry in regards to politics and religion. I feel it’s sadly inevitable to have politics and religion without those things. It doesn’t make it justified or morally okay, but it’s just a sad reality. No matter the point in history or circumstances, there has always been people who let their emotions overwhelm their rational and logical thought process and take things to the extreme. But on the more positive side of things, look how far society has come and the many problems that have been solved over time. Sure nothing is perfect, and there are still lots of problems and challenges, but that’s why political discussions are needed, so we can find solutions to those problems.
I always had a problem with the words "homophobia" or "transphobia" because the Greek word "phobos" means "fear", and those words are not about fear, but rather prejudice and discrimination. That being said, I have way more issues with the prejudice and the discrimination in themselves than with the words used to describe it.
It’s used to weaponize the language to shut down opposing opinions.
I forgot hydrophobic materials were scared of water. My bad
@@TheRealVarzens We know that hydrophobic materials don't have any thoughts about the water. We who speak English knows that the same word can be used in different contexts.
Since we are talking about the human mind, we must use phobia as a thought. And I've never seen anyone react to a gay person like they would react to a spider.
Have you ever seen a person jump on a table and scream in horror when a gay person walks by?
@@CelticSpiritsCoven so you acknowledge that the suffix can have a different usage but you insist that it can only mean fear when talking about transphobia/homophobia?
Amazing
@@TheRealVarzens If we apply the term "phobia" to a person, then we are talking about instantly reacting in fear.
So have you seen someone jump on a table and scream when a gay person walked by like they would do if a rat ran across their foot?
In my humble opinion the biggest problem today that covers a lot of what has been mentioned in this video is we live in a twitter / x / ticktock generation. What I mean by this is we are only allowed to give a short answer to a deep conversation and society will not let you give more than that and if we did try to type a long answer or record a long video people will clip it to bite size chunks and that could alter the entire answer to the social questions we are talking about. A few times before I’ve written a answer on places like facebook and TH-cam and gone in great depth why I feel and I believe in my humble opinion this is the answer and I’ve even had people I agree with getting mad at me because they clipped my response and took that small part not the answer in it’s entirety. Until people listen they have no real grounds to give their opinion on that answer because the answer they give will be almost wholly made up of speculation and misinterpretation. We need society to get out of this lazy mind set and be ok with opening up and speaking what’s on their mind entirely and then being patient enough to wait and listen to the replies don’t ignore them don’t cut them off don’t drift off because chances are that person listened to you and that’s why they have a long answer so do them the same courtesy as they did for you and listen quietly so you can give a informed response. This young person and Ben did this very well there was a few points they spoke over each other but it was not beating the other person down verbally it was just the heat of the debate. 👍🏻
Don't be humble about this, cause you're 1000% right. On of Our real biggest issue is social media and the ridiculous influences it has over the younger generation. Idk how many times I've heard something along the lines of "oh, I saw it on Facebook from a family member so it must be true" and it couldn't be farther from the truth. No one cares about actual truth, they seem to only care about the "popular" truth.
@@jesseamadeus5351 yes totally agree. I hear it being said all the time as “my truth…” I never understood this because what they are saying in essence is “I have no evidence and no one will agree with me I have nothing to back me up but… because in my heart I feel it it’s got to be true…”.
I think that's very interesting, given that no one actually engages with the points of leftists, where leftists are constantly dissecting right wing arguments word for word.
@@radiofloyd2359 not sure if this is a reply to me or if you was trying to reply to the video?. But my personal experience and point of view on that is that more often than not the left is arguing with the center and calling it right because it’s doesn’t align with its point of view. Where as the right will often see the center and the left point of view and understand the difference. I’ve even seen extreme left people calling left leaning people extreme right because the opinions don’t align. That’s the biggest difference is that unless the left’s argument is matched by their friends they are automatically foes. So who do you talk to? To try and discuss things?.
@@fubarghost13akawoz44 Engaging with points doesn't mean categorizing them in the way you want them to.
It means carefully listening to and understanding the points, and where they come from.
The left does plenty of that, while the right, frankly, just attacks strawmen 90% of the time.
She was great. That is what a debate is. That is what conversation is supposed to be like. She listens insightfully to his opinions and answers. She diesnt just wait to talk. ....like so many. I may not agree with her but I agree with the way she handles herself. Very uplifting. Gives me hope
Your from California aren't you
@@nicholascasiano8479lol
What dont you agree with?
Yaay!! She did a much better job communicating her points than most of us.
So with one of the first points they discussed, in agreeing with Ben, I find that while people's words aren't inherently inciting hatred, the growing number of general people who are so unhinged as to take words and react in physically violent ways is incredibly alarming.
Yet, we gotta keep pushing for the truth and civility, no matter how tough it gets. Preserve the freshness, stop the decaying process of the world around us, and don't hide in the dark, but disturb it with light. Be salt and light. Much love to you Alex! God bless!
She was very refreshing! People who communicate like this do way more good and progress for their points than the screamers who can't regulate their feelings properly.
It's nice when it's a calm tone and not shouting and/or overtly emotional
While I agree with this is a free country, we should not dress xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, antisemitism or any other bigoted behaviors, gestures, or language as a disagreement. These things do incite violence especially when a person has a large platform. There is a such thing as direct and indirect ramifications. Lastly people should be free to believe in whatever religion they want and live by the principles and teachings of that religion. Hell believe that everyone else that doesn’t follow is going to hell. The issue comes in when you want to push the ideology of your beliefs over the autonomy of someone else’s life. I could be wrong but I don’t see others trans individuals preaching the goodness of trans and asking people to become trans. They are happy to be able to express themselves and have their outside reflect how they feel internally. They just want to walk in their truth. I believe this young lady articulated herself as well as she could. When the audience is not in your favor and clapping after every statement one side is making it is very hard to stay level headed and press on and that she did very well.
A phobia is an irrational fear of something. The definition of “transphobia” is misleading.
Yep. Anti-trans or Anti-LGBTQ is more accurate.
Transist would be more fitting
Plenty of words have misleading definitions. Inflammable, infamous, awful, and terrific just to name a few.
A wise man once said fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. 😀
@@SOPARA862kThat wasn't a man, that was a Muppet. 😊
Alex I've been following you back when 400 thousand viewers took a while... love your input and following you... you're a rare individual who will openly listen to both points of view and your music reviews are always spot on
Love that you've made the decision to do this on your main channel.. These kind of discussions should be send out to the world.. People need to think about shit and not be closed minded and take a side.. Make your own opinion and debate with people who think otherwise.. That is what society and democracy is..
This isnt a discussion though. A real discussion on a topic would be two experts in the the field presenting two different points of view. Thats a discussion. This isnt a discussion, this is just this thing that Shapiro does to get clickbait youtube hits.
@@andrewvasquez7872Two people talking about a subject is a discussion. You don't need to be an expert or have a degree to make an opinion or to read a study. A child can do this. Also, this is a college, where discussion, debate, and discourse is its purpose. This is how you learn.
Why does Ben Shapiro only debate college students
cause he gets wrecked when he doesn't
@@mmafreaks4871When was that
@@DavidK-hx6gn andrew neil ring a bell?
@@DavidK-hx6gn alex O'Connor is another good one.
@@mmafreaks4871 Thanks I’ll check it out 👍
BEN TALKS FAST JUST TO THINK NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIS BS!!!! GUYS LIKE BEN AND VIVEK HAS GOTTEN THE ATTENTION THEY WANTED AND IT'LL HURT THEM IN THE FUTURE-MOFOS ARE FANATICS!!!!
She went into the discussion having done some background research (which it seems many don't) and seemed to be interested more in the answer than the fight.
Also, Alex talking about being called homophobic and giving a quick side-eye when he hears sirens on the background 😳😂😂😂
Thank you for not apologizing for your content! ❤
lol, you got me here! Came in with preconceived notions, came out respecting the crap out of your point of view and rational take. You sir, have my subscription and like!
That argument that calling someone by their preferred pronoun is somehow forcing you to accept their opinion. It goes the other way too. If someone calls a transwoman "he" then that's forcing their opinion on the trans person. It's not simple. Well it is sort of simple in a way. It's not that difficult to use someone's preferred pronouns and it just seems polite. Why wouldn't you? Especially if you think that they're mentally ill. It would be like yelling "Cheer up!" to a depressed person. "It's all in your head". And I'm not saying that I agree that trans people are mentally ill. Shapiro mentioned the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) which has always been controversial, and used to list homosexuality as a disorder. He also likes to mention science in the few clips of his that I've seen. The question of what sex and gender mean is still debated and is not as simple as many people think. I'm not an expert but I have studied the development of sex and gender and I can't say that trans people are wrong. It doesn't seem impossible. Sounds like I'm having a go at Ben Shapiro but I can't really fault him on how he conducted himself here. I just disagree with many of his points. I can agree with having the right to disagree though. Yelling at each other doesn't get us anywhere.
To all those who are upset about the suffix -phobia.
Are hydrophobic materials scared of water?
Great you found ONE word that doesn't apply, and you plaster it all over the place.... There are people who are hydrophobic, and they do have an irrational fear of water. And there's a thousand words where "phobia" applied to people means "fear". kuddos to finding the one example that doesn't apply to people.
Hydrophobic - to repel water OR suffers from hydrophobia
Hydrophobia - irrational fear of water
At the end of the day, no one should care whether people have "phobia". If they are not causing physical harm, there is no need to worry. Worrying about "transphobia" is not only a waste of time but just as worthless as worrying about someone who has hydrophobia- a figment of imagination and no threat at all. No value. Thus, every should not care/pay mind to it.
@@tithannisk7470 I'm just pointing out the "how can I be transphobic/homophobic? I'm not scared of them" argument is just silly and an attempt to divert
And no, it's not just one word I found. It's just an example of how idiotic it is to equating phobia exclusively with fear. As another example: Are xenophobes scared of other races?
@@TheRealVarzens I have the same problem with the word xenophobic to describe a racist.
The fact of the matter is that phobia comes from "phobos" which means fear. Now I know languages evolve and definitions changes but using words like homophobic, xenophobic and the like gives an excuse for assholes to say "I'm not that, I don't fear them".
@@tithannisk7470Words are meant to communicate. If there's precedence for a suffix being used to express a given concept, it can be useful to have other words that express similar concepts have similar suffixes.
I am a wrathful person, i dont think i could ever be in a public debate.
Words like "homophobia" and "transphobia" are used intentionally to create a bias. It's all about capture of the language. So looking at a dictionary definition of words that explicitly exist to create an image in one political bend is not going to be helpful.
Do you have a suggestion for different words that mean "prejudice against non-straight people" and "prejudice against trans people"?
I really like how she is very calm, that's how a debate/dialog should be. I completely agree with you bro! When you noticed Ben is cutting her off and how respectful she was, that is a great observation.
10:50 100% agree. You can share different views and still respect and be civil with one another. If it doesn't affect me on a personal level, why should I give a shit?
Not if those views lead to people suffering and dying
@@bjp4869 elaborate on that one for me. Which views, and which people?
@@northernrime there are studies that less accepting enviroments for trans people lead to far higher suicide rates. Hell, I've seen with my own eyes how miserable trans people can be if they don't get the medical and social support they need, compared to how happy they can be when they do.
Ben is always so bad faith in these... Tried to do everything he can to overrun the conversation before real points can be made. She's doing alright though, she obviously practiced because it's human nature not to do this well in this platform. That's why ben does so many of these.
Naw, nevermind. She didnt actually get anything... Ben just blatantly lied and she couldn't nail him on it, while he danced around the issue and moved the goal posts. This is precisely why you DON'T go this civil with Ben, you're playing his game in his house. It's like walking up to a blackjack table where the other players also all work for the casino.
What did he lie about?
@@claytonk for one, that there's no treatment for trans people. there is, transitioning. numbers bear it out. what he wants is something to make them "not trans" anymore.
he also intentionally conflates sex and gender constantly. he knows the difference.
What did he lie about? When you make claims, you should provide evidence of them.
@@vinnie666 He said no good treatment. The su*cide rate is the same before and after transitioning. Most people would not consider that a "good" treatement.
@@makefootballviolentagain5258 that is just not true. at all. just social transition drops the suicide rate. hell, if a trans teen has one adult role model that accepts them, their suicide rate is cut in half.
Happy new Year Alex
What a total and complete beautiful conversation debate between two different points of view both are great speakers and intelligence there is nothing wrong with having a different point of view
Ben Shapiro is the worst becuase his composure and confidence make him SOUND reasonable, and the information he puts forth seems accurate at first so people WANT to believe in him. But put under even the slightest lens of scrutiny his arguments fall apart as the hypocrisy they are. He preaches 'facts don't care about your feelings' but his conclusions all start from a feeling he has that he works backwards from and cherry picks what facts he does and doesn't want to consider. Every time.
He's a dangerous man. Your apparent respect for him is what keeps me away from this channel (I like you, Alex, and I LOVE your movie and TV show reviews but any time a political discussion or debate crops up over here you're way too kind on the conservatives. Who are factually wrong like 90% of the time but SOUND good)
The biggest issue when it comes to topics and discussions such as these is that you have reasonable people that will talk as Ben does here and will even practice it truthfully in the real world but there are too many that don't. An example of this:
The idea that its against his religious beliefs for same sex couples to exist but in a free society they should be allowed to do so. In his ideal world, all churches would have the choice to marry them or not, so people would have to find a church that would. Fair enough, right? But that's how segregation happens, when there's zero oversight or power from a governing body that can influence everyone in every city/state. It would push people to congregate and gather up with every one of a similar prejudice and allow those people to do as the pleased without any limitations.
Now, the opposite is also true with governments having the ability to influence and regulate everything fully. Then all it takes is for a hype religious set of congressman and presidential candidates to get into office and suddenly we're losing Roe V Wade rights and other freedoms solely based on people's moral interpretations guided by hyper religious beliefs that should be separated from governing bodies, one of the key principles instituted by the founding fathers.
Not a fan of Ben, he is dbag who is most the time incorrect or speaking his personal opinion really fast and with the authority in his voice to make him sound more credible when he isn’t or is often wrong or just misstating facts which is a nice way of saying lying. He gets famous because he is a quick talker that spits out so much b/s that the people he is “communicating” to have a hard time to respond because it’s difficult to address so many off the wall comments in a rebuttal. Of course I recognize that is my opinion and dude is way more famous than I, I just think we got to stop giving trolls like Ben a platform. I saw a video one time where someone paused between each of his claims and discredited what he was saying comment after comment, the thing is in real time, that’s hard to do when some one is just speed talking nonsense. It’s like trying to talk to a four year old with sensory overload. 😂 Anyway love your content Alex! Don’t be a dbag like Ben keep it light and loving like you do man!
I agree with you about Ben. He uses his verbal speed is a way of overloading the other person so they have too much to respond to; this can look like 'winning' to some, but it's actually just a bullying way to debate.
The problem with this discussion is that it’s dishonest at the end of the day. The woman was trying to say that Ben’s statements on trans people were based on prejudice and Ben said it’s simply a matter of searching for truth and that he doesn’t incite violence. Logically, one of them must be wrong. If you pay attention to what Ben is saying, it seems that his «disagreement» with the trans community is «I believe sex isn’t malleable, that females can’t be males and vice-versa». You might not realise this right away, but there is something very wrong with that sentence. Ben is talking about sex. Why? That’s not the subject of the conversation. Sex and gender are different concepts and this isn’t an opinion, it’s an empirical fact. And Ben knows this, he has been on gender debates where it was explained to him and he admitted that they were different concepts. So why is he talking about sex and not gender? Well it’s simple, he knows his audience won’t know the difference, and by pretending that the conversation is about sex he can refer to “biological reality” which makes him sound factual and his opponent sound delusional. Again, I wanna stress that Ben isn’t confusing the two out of ignorance, it’s a deliberate tactic. But then one could ask, what is his motivation since it doesn’t seem to be the search for factual reality? Simple answer: it’s prejudice, AKA transphobia. Which is made more obvious by the fact he isn’t just “disagreeing” with trans people but has actively advocated for measures aimed at preventing people from having access to transition, which is a violation of their freedom. Ben tries to justify this as «gender dysphoria is a mental illness and therefore we shouldn’t go along with it ». Now, is gender dysphoria a mental illness? YES!!! 100% it is!!! And what do you do with a mental illness? You don’t handwave it away, you take it seriously and you treat it! And would you look at that, the medical community has a consensus on what treatment is most effective: it’s TRANSITION. Now of course, despite the fact we have hundreds of peer reviewed studies showing that transition is overwhelmingly effective in treating dysphoria and helping people (99% satisfaction rate which is VERY HIGH for a medical treatment), Ben has the right to disagree with the medical consensus. But if you want to disagree with the consensus, you’d better have a better alternative to propose. So how does Ben think we should treat gender dysphoria??? By firmly saying “you are mentally ill therefore irrational so I will not go along with your delusion you need to accept reality” over and over under the sickness goes away maybe??? We don’t know, because he doesn’t care about helping disphoric people, he just doesn’t want there to be trans people existing because he finds it icky. Not to mention if we take into account the people he associates with, in the daily wire for exemple, we find unambiguously violent, sometimes borderline genocidal rhetoric being shared.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. The fact that these things are even debatable disgusts me.
What are the statistics of individuals who get surgery and hormone treatment to fail at actually addressing their sexual disphoria?
Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.
I absolutely love your comment! Just listening to this video now and I couldn't believe Ben didn't know the difference between sex and gender(!), but your explanation as to why he's conflating sex and gender for that audience rings true. Ben just wants to "win." His comment that he shouldn't be "forced" to call someone the pronouns they prefer (if they transitioned and are using the 'other' pronoun) is also disingenuous. If I were a trans person and asked people to call me male when I looked/seemed biologically female or vice versa, I wouldn't force them to call me by my preferred pronouns. I would ask them to respect me by calling me by my prefered pronoun. If the person chooses to disrespect me in spite of my request, I would quickly realize that they are not going to accept me for who I am and they would not be welcome in my life. Simple. No forcing of the disrespectful person is necessary. There would be no friendship offered to them at all. I wouldn't tolerate disrespect of that nature. Goodbye, see ya, sayonara.
Bravo. Very accurate observation. Ben is a snake oil salesman. Very slippery grifter only interested in his personal gain and not realistic solutions.
I think she was great and respectful. Ben Shapiro never fails to have an attitude in his voice though regardless. Still kudos to her for being very clear, having good points and remaining leveled throughout the debate.
PLEASEEEE KEEP ON WITH THE LIVE STREAMS!!
I’m very curious to see where she goes in the future. It takes stones to remain unwavering with a debater like Shapiro. Good for her
I wish all college kids could have this kind of pleasant, inquisitive discourse. I largely blame the faculty and parents, though, for the ones who are far more rude or ideological. This is why I always champion doing your own research. In the age of the internet, the answers are out there, you just gotta look for them objectively (ideally from opposing sources) to find the truth.
I would say is more the fact that when you are in a group where everyone thinks the same (be it left or right wingers) then anything that isn't aligned with those ideas can be perceived as an attack -since, in relative terms, is a deviation. We are humans and we tend to simplify reality in tribalistic clusters.
Conservatives want to brainwash college kids - especially Murdoch and racist Texans. I have seen their leaflets for decades, disguised as non-existent Republican groups. Nobody buys it - it wreaks of fake. I saw this during the 80s, and think these rich foreigners are Nazis.
@AlexHefner
You definition of Transphobia is a continuation of the way that the internet has given too much power to the uneducated to shape discussions.
The suffix "phobia" by definition means to have an irrational fear of...
So I support Ben in using language correctly. For what she wants, she needs the suffix -ist, as in racist, sexist.
I don't support Ben, but I support keeping language universally understandable, which requires that each sub-group doesn't rewrite language for their own "click".
I’m gonna be honest I just simply don’t share those kinds of views personally, that being said I believe that everyone should be able to have the right to their beliefs and opinions, doesn’t mean I’ll share them myself personally.
Look I’ll say this in the most simplest way I humbly believe that we should live how we please. That’s all I’m gonna say
anything-phobia is a truly confusing way to label things for the general population, the word phobia suggests fear, but when paired it becomes a verb of sorts. My sons have photophobia from a genetic condition, but they aren't afraid to see light, the light causes physical pain from deformities in the back of the eye. But props to this young woman for articulating her thoughts and questions with respect. We may not all agree, which is super normal, but we don't need to act like raving lunatics with our interactions.
What i find interesting is how ben regards trans to be mental illness while ignoring religion being the same thing. Its like whatever he believes is normal and what he disagrees with is mental illness
Wow, never even thought of that! Kinda mindblowing🤯
The only issue I have with you watching politically motivated videos is that you seem to only watch people who lean right. You should mix it up and watch David Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, The Majority Report and Ryan Mockler just to name a few.
The problem with this example is that Ben is not trying to legislate against and remove the rights of people who are eating shellfish. Let' maybe not minimize by comparing someone's right to live and exist to a religion thinking shellfish is sinful!
So true
You completely missed the point
Right to "live" or right to do anything no matter if it's healthy or natural for our species? The food restrictions of Jews have lots of natural health benefits & avoiding certain foods reduced your risk of illness or parasites. Though yes foregoing something or fasting etc can be an act of focusing on God & a form of service/worship. It's not a sin to eat x necessarily just because it is x (though obedience & taking the advice for the sake of it of someone you know has your best interest at heart & wants to protect you is also important) its a sin to not take care of your body.
I wish more people could be civil and agree to disagree, if you think the sky is blue and someone else thinks it's green, what they think doesn't change the sky being blue for you, instead just try to appreciate that other people can see something differently, it's not hard to be respectful
the reason disagreement is often seen as an attack is... well, because it often is. and it's very difficult to take someone at face value and extend your trust when they say things like "you are sinning" or "you are mentally ill" which are essentially dehumanizing statements not based on reality, demeaning to human beings who define themselves outside of religion or patriarchal values. so often the sort of argument shapiro makes here is a trojan horse or a dogwhistle for people who ARE hateful and who DO wish harm on those who defy their traditional beliefs. it's virtually impossible to accept his argument, logical as he may make it sound on its face, when he spends so much of his time fixating on the trans community, essentially denying their truth again and again and again ad nauseum, year after year. saying that he himself wishes no violence upon anyone is a copout, because he completely panders to those who do.
i applaud this girl for understanding that this sort of measured dialogue is the only way to come out of a conversation with ben shapiro looking respectable. i mean, you know what they say about wrestling with pigs.
I love that you are looking up words to know what they actually mean, words are important.
I just wish people would break down the word ( incel )
Maybe then they would realize its jibberish and doesnt actually mean anything.
One cannot be involutarily subject to anything of their OWN volition.
The problem today is there's no compromise. People need too realize that we say things we don't mean or maybe we do? But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
One thing that is true all over the globe.
We are ALL getting more Geopolitical, and Political. Is that good? Is that bad? Well, politics will decide. It is very interesting, and you should pay attention.
I do also think Ben interrupts in these forums a bit more because the Q&A is only about an hour, so he tries to go a bit quicker than if it were in a less formal setting
No, he has the podium, he takes advantage of him. The strategy of these "debates" is to generate the aesthetics of discussion while ultimately just having a one-sided monologue.
@@radiofloyd2359you mean like all liberals do lol
@@LIBOFFENDER44 I don't know?
What I do know is that for all their flaws, liberals are at least harder to instantly refute.
Like seriously. Give me any mainstream conservative argument on gender and I can debunk it, generally even by assuming all the facts they claim are true are true.
If you want to see a really good debate, check out Dr. William Lane Craig vs Dr. Sean Carroll. Don't react to it (unless you want to), it's a long debate.
I love this. And this quote is perfect, "People are offended left and right." 8:00 I think you meant it in a different way, but it works with the literal left and right. Everyone is too emotional. You should watch the recent Destiny and Shapiro debate. It is a similarly genuine debate. All in good faith. This video shows the Ben Shapiro that I listened to during the Trump presidency. I disagreed with him on TONS of things, but he was not just being a loud-mouthed right wing hack. That changed when Biden got into office. But now I am seeing these "normal Ben" debates and I am so loving them. I hope he hears messages like this, because he is so much better for the world as a calm-thrower, instead of a bomb-thrower.
1) the young woman is very courageous to present her argument in an obviously biased environment.
2) she maintains her composure even when her interlocutor talks over her, not allowing her to complete her thoughts.
3) If Ben is a religious Jew, when he speaks of Sabbath, he means Saturday and not Sunday, as you referred to in your comment, as Saturday is the Biblical Sabbath.
4) 🎉
"I'm not transphobic because I'm not scared of trans people" BRUHH-
its fr such a stupid argument they just pick and choose which part of definitions they want to use 😭 ‘fear of OR AVERSION TO someone/thing’
@@aaron_451he doesn’t have a fear or an aversion to it. He just refuses to go along with mass delusion for the sake of sensitive feelings.
@@Nop3.1lmao ok
@@aaron_451I mean you are also picking the definition…..the number 1 definitions is “an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation”. Aversion was added to the definition in 2013 by the DSM-5. “Phobia” has since Ancient Greece always meant irrational fear of something. Only the last decade has it meant aversion to something.
@@JoeWill-t5i oxford dictionary: a fear, horror, strong dislike, or aversion
Thanks for watching this and breaking it down.
People have forgotten how to disagree with other people who think and see things differently. These days it's a your with me or against and nothing in between. Sad people have forgotten a basic skill that helps us all get along.
I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND using Merriam-Webster when looking up definitions. When you just Google definitions you're more than likely going to get a biased definition. The definition you read for Transphobia wasn't an accurate definition. Here's is the correct definition...
trans·pho·bia ˌtran(t)s-ˈfō-bē-ə
ˌtranz-
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
Love to see these educational debates with you Alex, never could have found this one without you! Keep it up!
Great video Alex. I love an intelligent respectful debate.
Good job Alex. I've only seen your music reaction videos. This was refreshing. Great episode! Great almost 3 way debate, if you get me. Cuddo's to ya. 👊
Ben is a hack. He’s great against college kids with a crowd that’s partial to him, but when he goes up against a Kyle Kulunski type, or an Anna Kasparian or David Parkman, he either hides, runs away, or totally gets demolished by them. He becomes the one that gets triggered and becomes a squeaky little snowflake then starts contradicting himself. One can also make the case that he’s a snowflake for getting triggered about someone who wants to go by whatever they want to be addressed as, like it somehow ruins his life.
Shapiro just changes his stances whenever it benefits him.
Whenever i hire in a new agent in my office, there’s 3 rules i have. Do not steal anyone’s property, do not talk about religion, and do not talk about politics. No one in my office knows who I vote for or what is my party preference. Too much passion on both sides, which causes major problems.
@Onthebrink5 I wouldn't hire you, that's for sure. I have something that you don't. It's called moral standards.
I love how Ben Shapiro only really debates Children and not real adults who have lived their lives
When he does debate with an adult, he gets crushed
Like a guy question him about his religious beliefs in his Bible slavery was definitely OK with now. It is not OK with so at the end of the day people cherry pick what they deem, moral and immoral smh 🤦
"I've never called for violence nor would i" LOL sure, Ben.
But anyway, yea, Im one of the ones that people would call progressive but not to the extend of "woke'. I'm a millennial. I feel like we made a path to all of these crazy inclusivity happen and then the next gen fucked it up with their childish anger. From both sides. So from what you, Alex, experienced about The New Mutant, Ive seen it too many times over the year. Being a mature person, i learned to know other people first before judging them. I know you're not transphobic/homophobic so when you say you just dont wanna see kids making out, I believe you. But alas, it seems like there are not a lot of mature people today and they really like to just jump to conclusion.
But then again, you do like to make sex jokes even to children characters lol so you can see how your defence is kind of weak on that subject lol another cool video to share, Alex. Thank you
This a very good take on the issue man.
He says that because he doesn’t want to get sued. But, yes, he does incite violence. Subtly, but he does.
I'm confused on his Jewish standpoint. Does coming from a Jewish background automatically make you Jewish? I say not.
So sabbath in the Jewish tradition is on Saturday but Christians observe their day of rest on Sunday. Depending on what sect of Judaism there can be more to it such as not using technology on the sabbath but more often than not involves attending a service and spending the day with the family.
Well argued debate on both sides from a topic that is very emotive for most people including me.
2:42 LOL, 'transphobia' doesn't mean fear of trans people, Ben!!
That’s what “phobia” means. It’s a silly word that has no real meaning.
That woman prepared for a debate and not a scream fest!
Hey Alex I tried to look up your movie channel and I couldn't find it Could you possibly give me a link to it? Love your content by the way bro 😊
I think a problem is that Ben’s position of “yes I think you’re a sinner, but do what you want this is a free country” has become an outlier nowadays. People (including pundits on his own network) are openly calling for a legislative ban on gender therapy for ADULTS, same sex marriage, contraception, divorce, or abortion. The conservative sentiment has now become “the government should force you to adhere to my religious values”.
And that is unconstitutional! In the very first constitutional amendment it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." They cannot make up laws like anti-trans, anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-divorce and have their reasoning be religious beliefs! This is not a Christian only nation! They have no right to make laws or change the constitution based on their religious beliefs!
This is how MARC MARTEL would think it too....
As a fellow 808 resident- I would like to know if you have thought about signing up for the seminar on running for local positions and campaigning- I ask because I wish I didn’t have so much going on personally right now- because it has been a thought.
We have much aloha and respect here- we have always been a blue state- but I hear more and more students and parents talk about how they aren’t being represented anymore. That the family units - you know we are multicultural and multigenerational here- family and respect and learnings from elders aren’t happening- that many who have left Asia are scared about how the left is leaning- most of my personal community and work community is very center -live and let live-
I don’t think enough people on the island know where to start- we are the only state that doesn’t elect their school board and have no say in our kid’s education and as someone in the know- most 8th graders read and do math on average of 3/4/5 grade leveled -3/5 years below their grade level.
I think someone who is level headed and can see how both sides of a debate is behaving is important - and I think you should consider getting involved locally here -
beautiful mixed up plate lunch of cultures and traditions
We are slowly being pushed to be more like CA- we have lots of school programs that come from CA and DOE even has many come from CA to speak to educators- and that is scary to think in 5 years that the 808 could be a mini CA
Hilariously this video is also used to show how bad her points were. It’s all about the spin and framing the narrative, kiddos.
i would have been curious about bens answer to her (what i believe is) her actual question. Of course he is not calling for violence (both of them established that), but is his way of speaking and framing of groups of people to be a certain way, able to incite violent thoughts and ideas?
Because tbh i think the answer is yes. i dont know if he would agree though xD What do you guys think?
Btw. not in this clip of course! loved the way she started this whole interaction with genuinity, and both are being sincere and respectful all the way through. He could have let her finish her points a bit more though.
Plz make your mum react to year zero by ghost! I know she is a Christian and my own christian mother found this song very interesting to say the least...
A phobia is a fear of something so that definition of transphobia is at odds with the meaning of a phobia.
I like Pie, and if you don't agree, you are Piephobic!
In this context, if you say "your are able to choose own sims" in relation to gender, you mean that sombodys important part of his/her personality is based on a sim; is not a simple dessagrement, you are judging the person itself.
The Sabbath is from Friday night to Saturday night.
The irony of his words now with the expulsions and murders in Gaza
Yeah, HAMAS has been pretty evil historically.
I'm no fan of Ben Shaipiro, but, what was impressive about this exchange? She was fumbling her answers and Mr. Shaipiro give his usual snipy answers. Find more inspiring content to critque.
The problem with people talking about transphobia is it says it right there “having a prejudice against transgender people” I personally don’t have any prejudice against any person that I am aware of. I am however strongly against wild ideas that some kids and youth arrive at and the fact that many people in society today want to normalize these weird ideas that they get, especially when it comes to kids.
like Allowing a doctor to do a surgery on a child because the child who doesn’t fully know what she or he is yet has something click in their head that says “I’m not supposed to be a boy or I’m not supposed to be a girl” and then society says OK well if you want and your parents say it’s OK let’s change that.
Let’s give you hormone blockers and cut that stuff up and stuff it inside you or blah blah blah whatever they do to girls who “transition” that’s what I have a problem with. Im not against the persons, I’m against what society has done with these ideas and these thoughts and these feeling. these are life changing decisions that kids are making. they don’t even qualify. If there’s something wrong with the kid. Maybe there is a deep rooted lack of love. have they been molested? they just hear he has a problem. She has a problem they don’t feel like they’re right in their body. Let’s change that. and they don’t ever tell you about the ones that regret it deeply. Some of them even want to kill themselves after making a transition. Because sometimes they are not happy with the outcome of how their life is afterwards but when they were younger, they didn’t realize the ramifications of this process and once you go through with it, it’s hard to go backwards what’s worse is They’ve been blocked from having the natural hormonal process for years and now they haven’t had the proper puberty experience and their sexual identity is all messed up. And it goes on and on.
Generally speaking, children under 18 don't get surgeries that start the transition process. Puberty blockers stop the secondary sex characteristics from showing so the child may express themselves in the way they wish for a longer time. In this way, the child can make sure they want to have transition surgery later. For example, if I'm a girl and don't feel right in a girl's body and feel more comfortable living as a boy, I can be prescribed puberty blocker medications that will temporarily stop the production of the hormones that lead to breast development and the start of menstruation so I can continue to live as a boy. If, after a while, I realize I don't wish to express myself as a boy anymore, I can stop taking the puberty blockers and my development as a girl will proceed. The puberty blockers didn't stop my development permanently nor did they cause harm. Basically, puberty blockers would have allowed me to 'try on' what it would be like to live as a male. (This is assuming that I have a supportive family, supportive school, etc., and live in a state where I have access to puberty blockers and not in a state that restricts such things or criminalizes such things.)
If I prefer to continue to express myself as a male, I'd probably continue puberty blockers as I hit 18 and up, where I can choose to start getting surgery to help me transition. There are many different trans surgeries: no one has all of them at the same time. It's a process that usually takes place over several years, depending on finances, work/school obligations, family/friend support, etc. And some trans people don't ever have any sex-change surgeries.
The interesting thing about the trans subject when it comes up politically is that the population of the U.S. is about 336 million. Approximately only 1.6 million Americans aged 13+ identify as trans (per UCLA School of Law, Williams Institute). The way Repubs/MAGA politicians, etc., talk about the trans topic, you'd think there were people in every school across the country talking kids into having trans surgeries and cutting off kids' body parts when their parents aren't looking!! Why are they making such a big stink about trans kids and trans adults?? Why are there currently about 530 bills across the country (per aclu.org) targeting the LGBTQ population and attempting to take their rights away, or their healthcare away, or their protections from employment discrimination away?? To cause division. To gain votes. To create an enemy for people to hate and fear so they'll vote against the party that is trying to protect LGBTQ rights. To spread religious ideas against people who some consider 'different' or 'not living the way god/jesus wants them to.' Gee, all these reasons gain votes for Republican politicians, what a surprise!
Is it really THAT difficult to comprehend that biological sex and gender expression are different things? Really???
I don't think it should be difficult at all, but it seems to really confuse sooooo many people, especially MAGA types. It would be easy to explain to them if they just stopped yelling long enough to listen. ;-)
@@tkenglander6226 and they’d probably be willing to listen if your kind wasn’t screaming and demanding they change their opinions 😚
I'm not transphobic. I don't fear trans people. I do believe that for a lot of people, it's a sexual fetish. I also believe that it's a tragedy to see somebody mutilate themself because they feel like they need to be in a different body. That's a mental issue I can't relate to. To each their own - just let me do what I'm doing, which doesn't cause harm to anybody. I do 100% stand against (alleged) sex changes to anybody below the age of 18 who hasn't had a full mental evaluation. Puberty blockers should be illegal. If you're 18 and want to mutilate yourself, that's on you.
Well said.
As Alex showed in the video, transphobia isn't fear of trans people. It's prejudice against them. And saying that you think being trans is a sexual fetish is most definitely a prejudice.
@@lilkat42 No, it's just an opinion, not a "prejudice."
@@makefootballviolentagain5258 All prejudices are also opinions. Prejudice just means you have pre-judged a group of people based on a single criterion; in this case the OP assumes that lots of trans people have a sexual fetish just because they are trans. It's no different than assuming that women are irrational or black people are violent.
Puberty blockers are used for other things than just transgender stuff lol
❤it’s really nice you stop and look certain words up for people 😭
10:17 I was today years old when I found out Jews don’t eat shellfish. Me either. Am I Jew-ish? Like George Santos?
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She just got signed on with Korn's label, XOVR Records! Give her a listen man, you won't be disappointed!
dude, emotions are running high? of course they are if you keep interrupting people before they can finish their question or their attempt to defend themselves from Ben Shapiro twisting their words. watch
again and notice
how he cannot let her finish once what she's saying.
He calls for mass violence against Palestinians.
What i hate about ben Shapiro he interrupts people who's trying to speak
Lex Fridman has agreed to moderate a conversation between Ben Shapiro and Destiny!!! I’m very excited about that!
Bro are you going to react to Kook-aid or not 😂💙
Well Alex, I'm terribly sorry to break the news to you, but when you have an opinion that's different from an emotional person's opinion you're a bigoted asshole to them and they're gonna call you that.
Mostly it's never about what you say or how you say it, it's merely having a different opinion that triggers them.
Keep the thick skin buddy, you're most definitely going to need it.
Love your videos by the way.
In other words the default behavior of an idiot.
But, following that reasoning, wouldn't you agree that Ben calling Obama or anyone who criticize Israel in the slightest way an "antisemite" is the embodiment of that very same attitude? You disagree with me the in slightest way, thus you are a "bigoted jew hater".
Not patently, no. I think you have not given enough attention to the distinguishing feature here. It does not matter the subject or focus only that emotional people react negatively regardless of your intentions or meaning. What you propose is very niche. A Jewish individual concerned about a subject pertaining to him and his identity. As a part of another conversation I think a facet of your statement holds true.@@davidgafo
@@davidgafo
Of course buddy, everyone who's arguing from an emotional stance or playing to get an emotional reaction from the listeners is in my dictionary a manipulative bigot themselves. Specifically those who call for compassion for a side of a struggle while calling the other side bigots.
It's a whirlwind of bigotry my friend, a neverending one.
The whole living in sin thing is so hilarious. Not the concept but the fact that people outside of the religion take it so seriously. Why do you care if you're breaking the rules of a game you're not playing?
Think the argument comes with the idea of influence over others which encourages violence etc in certain cases. This isn't the fault of the speaker, but they may unintentionally encourage things due to their platforms.
@@lewisadcock4459 I get that. But telling people to be religious quietly is never going to be popular. Especially when their religion tells them to shout it from the mountain tops. I don't see an end to this particular conflict.
@@andrejuarez The passing of time and the increasing normality will eventually encourage reform, similarly to historic discrimination against other minorities / groups of people.
@lewisadcock4459 If the bible said being black or brown is a sin I'd be tempted to believe you. But it's got some pretty literal rules about the LGBTQ+ community.
I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just find it hard to be optimistic about this.
@@andrejuarez Well the laying with the same sex being a sin was debunked a long time ago as a mistranslation. The more likely translation is that it would be perverted. Also you can already see reform in religion, a high proportion of religious people already accept things they might not completely agree on.
phobia
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noun
pho·bia ˈfō-bē-ə
Synonyms of phobia
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
As a trans person I’ve been waiting for my disability check for my mental illness… but all the doctors and standards tell me I don’t have one. When can we switch these doctors and organizations for Ben shaprio ? Also I wonder what studies he has looked at to show trans surgery has more than a 3% regret rate, this is anecdotal but I don’t regret mine , probably because I’m mentally ill. 😅 maybe one of his followers here can show me the trans surgery statistics he’s referring to without mentioning directly?
The Sabbath is from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.
They changed the definition a phobia is an irrational fear of something
Or are they trying to shame by saying you have an irrational fear and that's a you problem. I guess that is what they are saying. It's stupid of you to have an irrational fesr.
Language in general is being diluted. I dont necessarily think it's changing the definition. People just aren't being taught to respect the sanctity of meaning, so the definition isn't being represented properly.
I do think a lot of that misrepresentation is deliberate, though... and being skewed to propagate harmful information. Or, like Saiman said, used to shame and gaslight people into accepting the harmful information more readily.
When I heard this young lady's definition of homophobic, I rolled my eyes. She conducted herself well, but I couldn't get past that explanation.
I just want to see someone debate him on irgun, lehi and haganah. The patria and King david hotel bombing. Or the Haavara agreement( you know that time prior to the holocaust when the yeshiva worked with hitler to deport jews then turned around snd bankrolled the bombing of dresden)
When do we get a reaction to the first Kingslayer live version featuring Babymetal?
I see what she’s saying. This is a real woman. Respectful & Intelligent. But I do believe that the definition of transphobia should be reserved for people who are legitimately afraid of & fear trans people. If you just don’t like them….using the suffix -phobia is probably not the best choice.
What word do you suggest we use to discuss discrimination against trans or gay people?
@@lilkat42 I’d suggest the word that the trans-community is trying to replace the word ‘transphobia with” which is: “Transmisia” - the suffix of this word indicates hatred and intolerance rather than fear. A phobia is defined as an anxiety disorder with excessive FEAR of an object or situation (not a person) & the definition of FEAR is an unpleasant EMOTION caused by the belief that someone is dangerous, AND likely to cause pain, or be a threat”. So I’d definitely start using transmisia to replace transphobia. There’s less of a chance people will argue with you about whether they’re “transphobic” or not (bc you know everyone you ask is going to say they’re not “afraid” of trans ppl they just don’t like them) There’s your new word - go spread it like wildfire
@@NorthEnd_Andrea thanks for the suggestion
@@lilkat42 You’re welcome, friend. I want to protect the trans community from discrimination & the best way to do that is call the people who do discriminate against them what they are - haters.
Ben wears a special kinda hat to shield him from angering an interdiamentional space wizard from a book of old fables. If Thor, Spider-Man, Jesus, Moses, or any other fictional character guides your life, you have no business trying to make decisions that affect other people.