Debating the Role of Analytics in The NBA | LeBron James and JJ Redick
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- In this clip, JJ Redick and LeBron James (The Los Angeles Lakers) discuss the value of the 3-point shot and how analytics fit into the modern NBA.
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Great stuff!
JJ NEEDS to be Lakers next head coach!!!!
@@delnitrawoods755 he would probably be a great X's and O's guy! And stars seem to respect him
Respect 🏀🗑💯
I dont even care for basketball but there is something deeply interesting listening to two people who know something inside and out.
Whenever it’s a rough day I always put on this podcast
I think there's something about a show where no one is telling at the other lol
@@RafaelUnpluggedwym
@@ProdbyHwayHe meant yelling not telling. My assumption at least, since the t is right next to the y lol.
@@ProdbyHway all SAS, skip and most of these other shows just scream at each other and players. Lol
these have become my favorite conversations on the web
When you realize this ENTIRE PODCAST is just a LONG INTERVIEW PROCESS for JJ as LAKERS HEAD COACH! LOL
I said the same thing
😂😂😂😂
i don’t want him to become a coach i enjoy the podcasts too much
When LeBron haters realized that they don't know nothing about basketball ball like the media & like to talk about what they think this should happen & how to run a billion dollars Enterprise
Exactly 😂
This man Bron ain’t going nowhere 😂
Congratulations JJ on the new head coach job
LeBron recruited someone he can control?
What's new 😂
Damn, no wonder why he wants JJ. Bro is fkn smart as fuck and knows the game of basketball. And because of his age he’ll connect with the players more and they will also respect him right off the bat.
No. He wants JJ because he's his friend and LeBron will then have even more control. And of course JJ will be the fall guy and the scape goat whenever LeBron inevitably loses.
LeBron doesn't want to be coached, if he really cared he wouldn't fire his coach every season.
@mekacrab, you're both correct, I think. JJ will probably be a great coach if given time and the right team or situation, but he's new and young enough that when it implodes he's an easy excuse.
JJ will end up like nash in Brooklyn lol
@@joakim-nk1ygyou don't know basketball
@@karletonmcbride8083 "Shut up Carleton "in my uncle phil voice lol. Trust me i know way more than you tho.
Shout out to Lebron for living up to the hype from a High School kid... no scandals, no major injuries, world class athlete, leader and human...
I'm still a Jordan guy but Lebron one of the GOATs 🐐... nothing but love and respect
GOAT is greatest of all time. there can be only one. and that is MJ
A shooting guard can’t be the goat. That conversation is for the centers
Analytics work really well in the regular season because you have a large sample which reduces significantly the Variance.
The playoffs is more about situational Basketball than Analytics.
In a 7 games series if you rely to much in Analytics the Variance can kill you like did with the Rockets in 2018.
Absolutely! I definitely agree
Not really, a larger % of games in the playoffs are blowouts, teams have a chance to adapt throughout a series but this happens on both sides of the ball and kind of washes out any perceived defensive advantage that playing the same team might have. ISO ball has become get swept ball, much smarter to get more shots by rebounding and getting open shots for any shooter. The big differences are that players play harder in the playoffs, give better effort while the game is still in hand, and they don't let up when they have a lead. And the series ALWAYS come down to positional match-ups, not always straight Pg vs. Pg, but where the biggest drop off in talent occurs on a particular team. The Lakers were even(slightly better) until they got down to D-Russell, Rui H. and Austin R...these three guys were substantially worse players than their counterparts...people might think D-Russell or Rui shit the bed but in reality they were going up against better players 5 straight games...this rarely happens in the regular season, and of course they got cooked. Upsets almost never happen in the playoffs, the team with the best players almost always wins, and the team with the best 5 win...makes the playoffs really boring, with injuries being the only thing that can mix it up.
Exactly. Doesn't matter in the regular season where the law of averages will work in your favour over the course of 82 games. Losing a crucial game in the playoffs because you think the numbers will eventually be on your side is so dumb.
from what I've seen the playoffs are about refs favoring one team over the other with foul calls. or the lack thereof
@@notiowegian 90 percent right.. except 5 people NEVER play in the playoffs.. its usually 9 deep.. x factors become extremely important in the playoffs.. bruce brown last year, ray allen in 2013, manu ginobili, tristain thompson off the bench for cavs, iguodala for warriors, jordan poole in 2021 coming off the bench pressuring the teams defenders to play longer and be worn out by the time curry comes back in etc etc .. this is why timberwolves are going to win a title this year.. nobody left in the playoffs has better sixth and seven men.. denver only has 5 guys, dallas sixth man is hurt, okc has 7-8 guys but their not better than 6, 7, 8 from the wolves.. celtics have pritchard.. etc etc ...
Loving this transition from podcast to coaching staff being ushered here for JJ by Lebron.
Fun Fact: Outside of this season and GS championship runs, there is absolutely NO LINK between 3pt attempt volume and successful team seasons.
Will you invite other great basketball minds? Like Rondo, Jason Kidd, or Chris Paul? 😊
Isn’t Rondo in jail or something? Lol
I don’t expect much to come out of that case.
@mattschurenko3032 he on Jeff Teague podcast right now 😂
Yall should defs put in the description which episode these clips are from FYI
We typically put it in the comments and pin.
@@MindTheGamePodcast that works too thanks!
@@chefchefchef thanks for watching 🍷
Can someone explain the 'carpenter's mancave' aesthetics of
this podcast? I'm confused by the leaning 2x4 beams, wood palettes, shipping boxes, etc.
I think it’s supposed to look like the inside of a winery
It’s lebrons wine cellar.
Ive learned so much about basketball from watching these videos. I have no formal HS or beyond experience, so my knowledge was nothing to start.
I've never heard this podcast before but this was a really great clip. Really interesting to hear as a Rockets fan too.
Sounds like JJ the next Lakers coach
He would be great
More like JJ is becoming the next head coach for LeBron’s team in Vegas
Lebron still has the old school mind cause. The 3 point shot is great. But why not at times when it matters just go ahead for the higher percentage shot
Love this podcast! So much in depth insight of the game of basketball. 👏👏👏👏🎧
ya’ll make this podcast feel like a class lmaoOoO
Very interesting topic…. I hope somebody reached out to you Lebron to be part of at least the finals broadcast. I don’t think there is one nba fan that would not want to see you on tv. You probably already have plans. Just putting it out there. A knicks fan.
as a cowboys fan let tom brady and lebron go into retirement …we seen them for years upon years we don’t want to see them anymore. Enough is enough
@@justacebarnes6211"as a cowboys fan" WHO CAAAAAAAAAREEEES
I never seen a series that a team won by shooting threes. Never. I have seen teams lose a game when shooting 40% and making 20 threes. The game is still centered around who gets more easy shots in the paint, who plays better defense and who rebounds better. Go check yourself last 10 finals series. Last championship Golden State won they were dominating inside the paint with backdoor cuts.
these days you can't not shoot a lot of threes. it's too valuable of a shot. if you take a lot of 3s and your opponents don't you have almost no chance to win. if a team shots threes like a team from the 90s in 2024 they're going to get absolutely destroyed.
This is facts
@@tommyfu9271 What are you talking about go look at the stats of any playoff series. It was all won on points in paint and rebounds.
@@outlander234 not true at all.
and if a team doesn't shoot a lot of 3s in the modern nba they have no chance to win.
btw 3 of the last 5 champions
1)got outrebounded in the finals
2)hit more 3s than their opponents in the finals.
so maybe you should be the one to look at stats before spewing nonsense.
JJ Trying out for the Laker HC position. I Like it!
....and when joker/Jamal Murray sees through JJ's analytics BS, and gentleman's sweeps the Lakers (I'll be kind)...JJ will be crawling back to his pod with his head between his knees after Lebron/espn/most media outlets will want him fired after not helping Lebron making his "goat argument" a tougher one🤣
@@MindExcursionMedia You might now be wrong 😅 What JJ has going for him is that LeBron respects him.
@LevelofClarity Lebron respected Ty Lue, and not even THAT saved him....(Mike Brown, David Blatt, Lue, Vogel, soon to be Darvin Ham.....and JJ would be next in line)....how on earth do you think Kyrie came up with the philosophy that he DOESN'T need a coach when he left CLE after 2016 (certainly NOT pre Lebron when he couldn't make the playoffs)...when a team signs Lebron he IS the system... (always has been....only time that wasn't the case was in Miami when Riley wouldn't allow "the inmate to run the asylum" and have SPO fired like Bron wanted as usual)....and when his teams fall short he never took ownership like a LEADER/face of your team NEEDS to.....(early CLE, 2nd Cle when he put blame on gm to remake roster rather than run it back with PURPOSE...Lakers (too many instances to list)...and Ham will be the next casualty....a "respected" JJ gets the job, respect only goes so far when JJ's philosophy doesn't translate to playoff success....he'll easily be next because it's just what Lebron (and the social media/mainstream media) cycle will do
The Celtics have fully embraced this
And are good at it
They should make Spanish content for our Latin people who follow the career of Lebron and JJ
the only thing about Lakers team when facing Nuggets is they forgot how to shoot or maybe they are just exhausted at 3-4th quarters but to start the game they look fine and they are leading.
this podcast either gonna end or be more exciting when JJ gets his coaching job whether it’s with lebron or a diff team
6 months later Lebron is shooting more 3s and making them 😅 these guys knew what they were doing.
Did they
I wonder why drawing fouls has also gone out of the game.. now you almost never see anyone in foul trouble.
That used to be a big part of playing inside out.
Jokic was using that vs the Suns this year, plus against other teams that played one big like SAC, or Chicago. When he got fouled though, they barely called it.
1:14, That is an interesting position. LeBron is the GREATEST of all time. I have always felt that what makes LeBron great is he is a student of the game, a coach on the court. Similar to Tom Brady in football. If JJ coaches the Lakers, it will be GOLD and JJ will allow LeBron to be LeBron and also add schematically a game plan that maximizes scoring from the supporting cast. JJ finding just that extra 10-15 points in addition to LeBron and AD's output would have beat Denver. If JJ was on the bench in the Denver series the Lakers would still be playing💯
Is this podcast an interview for the Lakers head coaching job? 🤔 😂
The lakers free throws point is so annoying, its the fact that other teams attack the basket just as much, get hit the same way or worse than a laker, and dont get the call is where all the bitching comes from. When people are complaining austin reaves gets super star calls, theres something fishing
When LeBron touches a shooter it's not a foul, when someone touches LeBron while shooting it's a foul.
And LeBron NEVER gets called for all the offensive fouls he does, he uses his off arm, dislodges defenders, never called.
And LeBron can complain to the ref 20 times a game without getting any technical, but when someone else does it's an instant tech.
Then he proceeds to say dumb stuff like "they fouled and we didn't". Bum.
@@mekacrab it's been a superstar league forever. jordan got every call under the sun and berated refs all the time. i don't like lebron's whining either but he's far from the first star to get calls.
I love how JJ breaks these games down. I see why JJ now the head coach
Run some analytics on word count of Jj vs Lebron in these podcasts.
Run some analytics on JJ's IQ vs Lebron's, dude's White and went to Duke one of the best academic colleges in the world you know he's running the 2x perk on whatever Lebron's GED IQ is.
Lmfaooo, idk how many lebron fans are on here. But I wouldn't want to embarrass them without the amount of mmhmmm, yeah and just overall agreement lebron has with JJ, instead of adding to the convo.
One thing I agree COMPLETELY on against the analytics 3 is sample size. 3 is worth less than 2 in a must win playoff game, point blank. Over the regular season, it's fine, hot nights will balance out cold nights, and there IS more hot/cold discrepancy when it comes to a more valuable shot with a lower FG%. It's why the Rockets missed 27 3s in a row in a single game, a game they didn't even lose that hard. That's the drawback of 3 pt shots, it's why Jokic is an absolute monster in the post season, because he only shoots good 3s, and only when he doesn't have better shots open at the rim. MPJ or Murray, the guys that they RELY on for 3s, are ALSO too good to miss 27 in a row. By relying on shots at the rim, he never misses.
These 2 at some point will be working together in the league
the job interview with LeGM gone pretty good man
The Suns showed us how efficient early shots are nearly 20 years ago. It's wild that we're still talking about it at this point.
Jj said something to affect of "if" you make blah blah and LeBron said right if. Analytics is cool but if you can't make the shot or generate that shot at the right time or take the right shot that the defense is giving you.
He should have said “if you can shoot more than x percentage”. Lebron is also correct in that you don’t want to have a one dimensional game and only shoot threes.
Lot of people are incredibly envious of jj because of this podcast lmao😂😂😂
You mean Draymond 😂
@@MindfulAttraction2.0 and nick wright
There’s layers to how great this podcast is for JJ. In the simplest sense it’s interesting and people pay attention which can be monetized…but him routinely putting his bball IQ on display is advancing him down the path towards coaching at a high level. He has expedited that process by a decade or more and I credit this. Yes he has commentated for a while but this is way more heady
I’m not saying he’ll coach the Lakers next year….but his name being in convos is a testament to how much people respect him. Obviously the normal path is to sign on as an assistant for a big program OR coach a small obscure college team. But in the public’s mind he’s a future NBA coach….So you gotta respect it. Podcasting is creating win win scenarios for him where as most guys can’t chop it up on this level
Analytics actually matter but you gotta go deeper and base it depending on whoever your opponent is.
analytic only works if motion and defence are involved in calculatio, analysts are not good enough to set parameters well enough to make statistics works
well.....actually they are lol, with the help of technology of course.
I'm sure they have models that introduce these parameters.
@@C1r327 No, it’s not there yet. You can tell by coach misjudgement in games.
@michchanel19 coaches are not statisticians/analysts, they have their own bias on what the prefer to do
Funny the Lakers stopped hitting 3s in the playoffs again and lost 4-1 ,that’s the series right there
THE NEXT COACH OF LAKERS IS JJ AND ASST. PLAYING COACH IS LEBRON PLUS RAJON RONDO COULD ALSO BE ASST. COACH AND TRAINER ALONGSIDE PHIL HANDY..
holy fuck imagine getting actual analysis of the game, well done gents
He was literally interviewing for the Lakers job in this video. We are not dumb
I think you will be a good coach JJ as a laker fan i would definitely roll the dice on you
Talk is cheap
Is this where we start considering making the court bigger and making the 3 farther back? Just sounds like 3's are way too strong as the players are getting significantly better over the years. This way I feel like the best shooters like Steph and Dame actually are rewarded more for their range.
This would be a much between idea than adding a four point line.
your out of your mind.. no player in the nba would agree.. they would be gassed by the end of the 2nd quarter with all this run and gun modern basketball.. the game would have to slow all the way down to 90s tempo.. these are humans.. imagine how much more injuries would happen with a bigger court and guys having to run longer distances.. i swear u fans are mindless consumers who careless about actual humans and just want more more more.. regardless of who gets hurt in the process.. relax
@@mentalprograming5365 I think you need to relax. Lol
Take a chill pill lil man @@mentalprograming5365
moving the 3 point line back would make sense. let the actual great shooters take a lot of 3s. no need to make the court bigger.
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Thank you for having me 🤞🏾
"This is you with the ball, this is Giannis with the ball, this is Ja Morant with the ball. What does that give you?"
My dumbass: A better chance? Idk 😂😂
Yessuh, a Craig Hodges reference!
I do like lebron critiquing the 2018 rockets missing 27 straight 3s in game 7 when he went a combined 1-8 against the kd warriors in the playoffs playing the “right way” lmao
Was he in a golf game against the Warriors? You are not making any sense with your logic.
Would the step back 3 be a travel in old school NBA? Players used to fade to create that space which is more difficult. May be why players are able & willing to take it more and make it more?
I believe it would have been called a travel most times. The “Harden step back” is a travel every time.
Gather step rule was added later. Yes, it would be a traffic
Whos here after the bleacher report linked JJ to the Lakers HC gig? 😮 I think he'd be an amazing coach but should definitely start as an assistant.
JJ, who's by the way acting like a math teacher and coach K combined,is trying to prove to people that LeBron has basketball intelligence but its clear LeBron doesn't have a clue to what this man is talking about. JJ can say something completely wrong and LeBron will still be like unh hunh, yep.🤣😂Sometimes people scream basketball intelligence but don't know what it is
Are we getting a series of lebron after he lost the west
When making a decision, it’s either the analytics or your imagination. Analytics wins every time
Who is the guest in this podcast again?
Crazy that LeBron says he's too old school, but he be the one kicking it out there his whole career lmao.
a few weeks ago i was playing poker with Chris Mills and asked him what would have happened if he took a pull up 3 on a fast break and he said he would have been on the bench for 2 months.
Debate should be Get us a real BIG MAN, Coach, Play defense and fire rob = Championship
I see why the Magic is gone.
This is an insight of what JJ will do and is looking for as the Lakers coach.
My high school coach in 2010 yelled at guys to run their wing. I don’t think this is a crazy new thing. We pitched ahead all the time looking to be aggressive
Old heads don’t want to admit that these shooters are insanely talented
So basically, analytics with context is how you need to use analytics
Daryl Morey 7:34 LMAO
Soooo with darvin ham getting booted looks like there’s an opening JJ🤔
Whoever wants LeBron on their roaster needs to hire JJ to coach, draft Bronny, sign LeBron, trade for Kyrie who LeBron has made known he wants to play with and bring Rondo and Dwight Howard to work with the young guys.
Also, let LeBron play PG
I call this the JJ Redick test.
Click on any JJ Redick video, could be with LeBron, could be with Shaq, could be with Porzingis, doesn't matter... then click on a random spot in the video, and you bet your ass JJ is the one talking. That man LOOVVVEEESS the sound of his own voice. He can't get enough of it. Doesn't matter who he's taking to. Man just loves to be the one talking.
Everyone talks about that game Houston missed 27 strait threes saying “they should have attacked the paint” they did but every time they went to the rim they got hit and crushed and the refs refused to call a foul on the warriors so they had no choice but to stop
The way Lebron looks and smiles to JJ, tells me he is infatuated with him.
Lebron would throw JJ under the bus so quick if he becomes head coach and they still lose 😂😂😂 I say JJ should stick to the podcast or coach the hornets for a more secure position
Cute that you think you know better than actually professionals who know the game and get along greatm certified Laker hAtErZ
Somebody get JJ an NBA coaching job
For the love of god we need a football version of this!!!
LeBron wanted the Rockets to beat Golden State so that he could have a better chance agains them in the Finals lol
LeBron seems like the type of guy to cuss randomly because he thinks it makes him look cool.
Let’s be honest WE NEED JJ TO COACH THE LAKERS PLEASE!!!🙏
The Rockets missed 27 3s in a row because it was fixed, watch the video on youtube. Harden had many no foul calls when he baits the shooter. There were other fouls not called. And then, get this, when Harden hit a 3 point and got 4 point play with a foul they wiped it off, keeping the streak going. Went from HOU up 20 to GSW up 20, 40 point swing.
LeBron knows he pulls up for early threes all the time lol You can also count him in the stepback threes part, the difference being he steps to his left at an angle that can still be considered 'back' relative to the basket ("LeF--k You" threes). He does that WAY more over the last 3-4.
55% eFG on 3s in the first 6 seconds of shot clock is… how tf did we get here so fast?????
Who knew we were watching Reddick’s job interview?
It reminds you of the old Loyola Marymount offense.
Damn hope JJ Reddick really becomes a coach.
LeBrick talking like he never going to shoot a 3 with the shot clock at 18 seconds.
nice try on rationalizing the FT disparity at end lol
It's only a good shot when the defender isn't allowed to press, trap and body-up 94ft for 48 minutes. Empower the defense to stop the offensive player and watch the 6 second three disappear overnight. As it stands It's a valid tactic because their is too much artificial space created by these foul and contact rules.
This is the wrong mindset. Probably from both sides. Players should explain why they feel they shouldnt listen, and analysts should incorporate that feedback into the analysis.
Also very important that analysts have a basic understanding of strategy and tactics. As an analytical guy, I can't tell you how mad it makes me to see the third baseman in baseball nearly touch second base when there is a baserunner on third. Like BRO, somebody needs to hold him on third so he doesnt steal home! Fielding isnt the only thing that matters.
BTW, professional sports teams, PLEASE HIRE ME
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Why beg for calls at under 80% free throwing?
A fraud player that can't win without the refs bailing him out
When you realize that in terms of rings MJ is the goat in the post Bill Russell Era and in terms of advance analytics, Joker is the Goat so you say F the analytics
This is where i depart as a Fan. Been a fan since slam dunk to the beach. After coach Handy was fired that was the straw. I wonder if t lue didn’t take the job because he knew that he could be a casualty of your endless pursuit of self satisfaction…you may win another title you may enjoy some assists to jr. at some point, though, the dreams shattered by the pursuit of your own will be the carcasses you will have to face. Wishing the kids and savanna success. This is where i part as a fan. I am not sure your success is worth the collateral damage…disappointed thought youd be a different goat…I guess they are all better goats than humans.
He's not a GOAT, he's doing propaganda, like he's done for 10 years pushing for his GOAT narrative. A self proclaimed King will never be crowned.
The only argument i can make against early threes is that its draining the energy/willpower of your teammates if you miss. Just worked their ass off to make a stop, run to the other side and just when they are there, missed three and they have to run back. If players touch the ball more on offense they have more willpower to work hard on defence
Seems like both would make good coaches I would of made him an assistant first to learn the process of a coach
JJ being an ex player and Lebron James player now , Looking into future of both of them can be Considered for Coaching jobs if they are interested 😊
LeFlop will never be a respected coach, he doesn't understand the job of a coach. This is why he fires each and every coach he plays for every season.
Why do I feel like this JJ will be our next coach ?😵
Shout out to LBJ for doing this! He's not too big to be taking about basketball. I understand MJ loved the game, but Lebron has more Passion and nobody can tell me otherwise.
LeBron has a passion for propaganda and media control like we've never seen indeed.
@@mekacrab you can see it that way or you can see it as he's smart snd understands marketing, whilst also being passionate about the modern game. You're a hater lol
@@mekacrab hahhaha Jordan was the subject of a "documentary" that he had complete control over.now that's propaganda and media control.
The Joker said hi 😂
Spot on
You are disproportionately top 1 in FT attempts that's why people are complaining. Having 3x more FT attempts without attacking the basket 3x. The math doesn't add up
When they miss, teams get no offensive rebounds because no one is under the basket. This is why when you get cold, it’s over for you or why people lose 20 point leads . Plus ,naturally million dollar guys are missing more and more mids because they are losing that skill.