Cam Johnson's Crazy Observations About JJ's Shooting Form (That Even JJ Hadn't Noticed 🤯)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2023
- Our guest this week is Cam Johnson (The Brooklyn Nets). We cover everything with Cam from this season of The Brooklyn Nets to Team USA's disappointing finish at the FIBA World Cup.
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This is probably the best convo we’ve had on the details of shooting a basketball. Cam is so good in this whole ep. Full thing drops tomorrow morning. We’ll have Dame trade stuff on Monday too. Cheers.
Good afternoon, jj. I was wondering to get in contact with you how should I go about that?
Great in-depth conversation about shooting in terms of body motion and timing along with the nuances pertaining to an order of operation.
Brooklyn should allow mikal, cam and Spence to develop and just add a developed big man, Try to have cam johnson run a draymond sort of role like In Golden state difference here is he can shoot. Set off ball screens to get his teammates open looks. More passes the better.
MONDAY??!
Damn JJ, i hoped for it today!!😭🤦🏾♂️
Can you guys get Ray Allen as a guest?
I think I just became a big Cam fan. Excellent interview, amazing ability to communicate and explain complicated things. He also seems to love his craft. This is a guy to root for.
1000% am a fan seems like a real student of the game
I agree 1000000%
same
@mygirlfriendismean Forreal. I’m already looking forward to seeing what his NBA career post-playing will look like.
@@Doatello1991Wow. Not even "I'm really interested in seeing what his prime looks like." You want to see what his post-career looks like. Y'all enjoy listening to people talk about basketball more than you enjoy watching basketball. Crazy.
This is a future head coach and he's only 27. He can notice small details and articulate why they matter in a simple way. People severely underestimate how valuable that is in almost any field.
damn I thought he was younger
My thoughts exactly.
Kinda reminds me of Jefferson
he was in college for 5 years. 27 means that he has probably reached his ceiling as a pro hooper. He will continue to be a valuable rotational piece in the league for a while because of his freakish athleticism, before getting a job in coaching. what's strange is that most great athletes dont have to pay attention to details as much as he does. they just outrun, or outjump you. just my opinion.@@mikelewis65
@@geo6337 except he's not inflating his greatness...yet.
You could tell JJ got enthusiastic about how Cam could understand the complex aspects of shooting 😆 **Did we just become best friends**
Perfectly said 😂
🤣on God
"Yup....you wanna go do Karate in the garage?....yup"
FACTS.
JJ sat up straight in his chair and became very attentive.
It's enjoyable to have a conversation with someone that understands the little nuances of a skill-set that the average person doesn't see or let alone even understand.
@@rasheedakins2277so glad someone commented this
This is why certain player podcasts are so good. You don’t get his level of mechanic breakdowns from those who didn’t play at a high level. Also Ray’s calfs were huge for his frame. He definitely made it a point to have a very strong base especially as he got older.
Ray Allen might have the best calves in NBA history
That’s exactly what steph did too and it helped his shooting and stamina tremendously.
@@fried_riceee Absolutely! He had to do something to compensate for his ankle issues.
@@fried_riceee Yeah, I think it was said that Steph does the heaviest dead lift out of all his teammates.
Ya don’t think Colin Cowherd could break it down like this? Or Skip Bayless? Haha.
It is phenomenal how observant and detailed he is - precision in anatomy + math. JJ went "whoa"
Definitely miss him and mikal in Phoenix. Glad they're able to showcase their talents and be leaders on their new team.
James Jones is really an awesome GM to have drafted such high character players like this.
He gets major props for reaching for cam; most people wanted home grown Brandon Clarke. He cost the suns a championship by not grabbing padawan tyrese haliburton for cp3s back up and wrist injury vs the bucks. I’m pretty sure the trade with Philly for mikal was done by Ryan McDonough , but I might be wrong on that.
Them being moved really changed me from a suns fan to a basketball fan. After years of being a fan of just the suns and maybe a few players, ive reached the point now where its more that i prefer the suns to win, but care alot more about my favorite players succeeding. Cam johnson, mikal bridges, jrue holiday, brunson, brook lopez, steph curry, jokic, and devin booker are the first names that come to my mind, sorta a mix of fav personalities and favorite players to visually watch do their job
Phoenix is so fucked for the next decade lol
@@GeronimoPlazHow? Cam and Mikal are like 27 and 28 years old 😂
You can tell JJ really enjoyed talking to somebody who was also so knowledgeable about shooting, almost like talking to a little brother
More like talking with a brother (take out “ little”). I gotta watch some Cam plays now!
@@angelique7285he’s like 15 years younger
@@jonny-dp2qr You’re right! Much younger in years, but awfully mature & knowledgeable for his years. And, thanks for your response - good perspective.
@@angelique7285 I agree. Good conversation here
This guy is intelligent and really well spoken.
He sounds like a true student.
These conversations are awesome, it is so refreshing to see young players who are students of the game!
I'm really impressed with Cam's mindset and level of understanding!
JJ eyes lit up when Cam started talking. Nerds finding each other 😂
I remember seeing Cam Johnson during his one year at UNC and thinking he was an NBA player simply because he had a beautiful jump shot. Seeing him describe shooting with this level of detail it’s easy to see why he can shoot the way he does
Cam was there for two years actually. He graduated early from Pitt and was injured a year, so he had two years at Carolina
@@jonahlossiah4513 plus he suffered a hip injury his first year at UNC. Got it fixed and was just deadly his senior year
Key part of Sacramento’s flow all year was Kevin Huerter coming off Sabonis handoff from left corner to top of key, he mastered exactly what you guys were describing, going right and being able to line up a shot while moving is one of the toughest shots in the game
He’s like a baby klay
@@Virtualcritic111miss him on the hawks but he wouldn’t thrive there
@@geo6337facts,wasn’t even really mad at it cause i knew he would thrive in sac
And went invisible in the playoffs. Huerter sucks
Yeah Monk was much better in the playoffs because you need a dribble drive game.
I was NOT expecting Cam to be that precise and articulate with his thoughts. He could easily be a coach. Definitely a fan now. I have sons that play basketball. This was awesome content!!
Damn Cam... gotta appreciate a student of a game, especially so young...
That was a great chunk of a conversation. Great insight into how high-level professionals understand and work so hard to perfect the craft.
oh shut up!
It’s amazing knowing how elite of a shooter Cam is and he’s still perfecting his craft.
This was one of those interviews where you leave and think, "I'm going to have to keep an eye out for Cam Johnson." I don't watch a lot of basketball but I always appreciate athletes that drill down into their craft and can speak on the finer details. I may not fully understand all of it but, I'm gonna damn sure try. Great interview JJ, Cam came across very relaxed and knowledgeable.
JJ is a class act and these videos are pure gold. No one is doing anything like this. I love watching these exchanges. Cam is a fine young man with an exciting future in the game.
This kid is VEEEEEERRRRYYYY smart.
Damn, I did not know Cam was this articulate at explaining the game. He’s gonna be a great player for a long time
A long time? You act like he's a young dude lol. He's 26, he's halfway thru his career already
@@spencerchism3926ok
@@spencerchism3926 26 is young back then, most rookies before are 21-23 lol
@@spencerchism3926 Cam Johnson’s a legit 3 and d player with slashing ability who knows how to play a role, so he can def play for another 8-10 years
@@spencerchism3926 he’s gonna play beyond 32
Cam is so well spoken and clearly an expert in what he’s talking about this. Huge fan.
JJ this is the stuff I love the most. Please show us more of the nuance and intelligence that is applied to the craft of basketball!
I loved this. Two of the best shooters in the world talking business. Cerebral, informative, entertaining, and interesting. Thank you.
I have aspergers and I picked up basketball as a mild hyperfixation 3 years ago. The difficulty with squaring shoulder was day and night between shooting over the left and over the right shoulder, even if technically the same amount of rotation is required. I don't know if more polished athletes don't notice the difference as much but yeah, man put into words perfectly why I feel it's hard for me to shoot going while going left. Really enjoyed listening to this
The first sentence is also me. Shout out to you twin.🤝
@@Thebackendhugo3229basketball and autism a goated combo fr
What does aspergers have to do with basketball?
@@themanape people with aspergers tend to be very analytical and detail-oriented, which is relevant to the shooting discussion
always thst one guy who gets mad when certain groups of people take pride in what others consider a fault.
This is why he's become such a high level shooter now. Attention to detail and form/technique carries more than casual people will ever know in any sport
Cam is really well-spoken, can't wait for the full podcast!
One guy who I watched as a youngster who also was a great shooter off the pass going from left to right was Rex Chapman, especially around a screen. And he never hesitated! It was one continuous motion. Man...I miss that era! Not everyone was a shooter. Now everyone is, so we take it for granted.
Rex still has the quickest set up & release I've ever seen.That guy also had a crazy knack for making clutch circus shots.
Cam needs to be on the show monthly. Dude is so well spoken and high IQ 👌
Breaking down the biomechanics of a specific type of shot… LOVE IT. GIVE US MORE
As a strictly Rec ball shooter, I completely understand all this. Footwork on your jumper is the most underrated factor of shooting. Its the difference between making quick releases and never getting contested jumpers off.
these are the kinda subtleties that separate elite vs the rest..
Muscle memory bro I play at parks ...not often recs but yes ur correct
I remember thinking that JJ was the best I had ever seen at shooting from 3 while moving/drifting in the air. He would be moving horizontally *so* much on some of these shots and I never understood how until Cam Johnson just explained it to me.
Omg all net no rim at Cameron
I assume Cam is referring to Trey Murphy at the end there? I thought he was talking about Young for a sec and was like, "big!?" 😆
I’m only in the comments to figure this out thanks
Can't wait for the full episode, doesn't matter to me how much star power you have as long as you can explain the game of basketball in a compelling way.
just a few seconds of listening to cam talk you can tell he's an EXCELLENT communicator. It's so awesome seeing their personalities
Wait a second for the first time i watch and listen how he talk and he is so smart, from now i will watch him closely!
As a shooter: going right, as a right-hander, adds variables. It’s more feel than mechanical. On the other hand, the torque from the twist add length to the shot. That’s why you see elite shooters like Paul Pierce go to their right more in the 4th quarter, if their three starts hitting the front of the rim. The great shooters diagnose constantly.
nice observation
Interesting!
Kobe too, whenever his legs were going in 4th quarter he'd hit that right turn
Great discussion. Don't undersell it JJ, everyone should learn it, it gives the shooter an extra step of separation, that extra half second. Makes going left OR right just lethal. Like fighting, you need to find your balance from a variety of platforms and get into your shooting form!
Love the way this young Man communicates And hoops ! This is the kind of person that needs to be in the league .
this was amazing - hearing you guys vibe on shooting made my day. Cam - you got a new fan in me. Tactics fellas!!
Holy crap. I just became a fan of this kid. So articulate, so detail-oriented, great future ahead of him.
Super excited to see Cam’s interview. Great high level basketball talk
Cam is f'kin brilliant. I'm def a fan now
What an awesome conversation. The sports world in general needs more of this. High level breakdowns of the mechanical level are fantastic. This dude is so chill and good at explaining complex concepts.
You sure you don't want a woman in there giving her opinion lol
The attention to detail is crazy. What’s even more crazy is even though they study and perfect shooting there are some guys who never think about it with this much detail but can still shoot just as good because of natural instinct.
ACC basketball, and I’m not even a fan of that conference.
love the passion I could feel in this conversation, can’t wait for this episode to drop
That was unbelievably cool to listen to. I love the depth of insight here, and it was obvious how much you enjoyed the conversation.
Every time I hear one of these conversations, I think of the book Phenomenology of Perception and the way it describes the body's process of learning and growing skills. I think the wild ceiling of athletic technique has to be one of the best illustrations of how to approach self-improvement by reflecting on the process itself.
Smart player i wont ever forget him postering Embiid 😭
This shyt was str8 🔥 convo on shooting
The details they going n2 is vastly deep n the nuances in the art of shooting
Cam was so excited n ready to have this talk wit JJ
Every single young hooper needs to hear this who is learning to shoot, so variables in an in game scenario and how to shoot from said scenarios
As a Suns fan, I sincerely miss Cam Johnson and Mikal Bridges. I know we got KD, and we'll get a full season with him this year and I'm super excited & grateful about that. But I do miss seeing them play for the Suns. They did everything right 90% of the time, knew their roles and made the most of each and every opportunity. Above all... THEY WERE FUN TO WATCH PLAY. I wish the best for Cam and Mikal and I really hope that we can sign them again in the future. 💯🤟🤟
KD is always MVP candidate before he gets injured before allstar break
Not happening.... Brooklyn forever
You’re not getting kd the full year sorry to burst you bubble. An aging Injury prone player in his 30s
I love when pro athletes talk this deep about technique! Great conversation guys!
Two brilliant minds explaining something that I love!!!!! One of the best shooting discussions I've ever seen!!!
the way this guy talks about how shooters shoot reminds me of the scene in the last dance where Rodman talks about the science of rebounding. it’s interesting to hear these players who take a deep dive into the more obscure mechanics in the game & have a good grasp of it.
JJ sounds like he just found his new best friend 😂...did we just become best friends?!?!
Great stuff. I think Jerry West was one of the greatest I ever saw going to his right. I'd like to hear more on how each player including yourself practiced their shot as kids and how the practice evolved as you got older and eventually in the NBA.. Thanks.
Enjoyed hearing Cam’s intellect here. Getting into the details of a craft cool…
Cam is very articulate. Well spoken and his tone is smooth.
This is when this podcast is at its best. Jesus this is great
Growing up in the mid-late 90’s, I was a huge UConn fan but specifically Ray Allen was a basketball god to me. I would watch his shooting form and then go out to the court to practice that exact form for hours at least 5-6 days out of the week. By time I was 18 turning 19, I had easily become one of the deadliest 3 point threats on the court. (Street ball of course…I didn’t go to college unfortunately)
So great hearing them talk shooting. It shows how much goes into being a great shooter.
Brilliant shooters💯🤧cam a very great underrated shooter
Damn he is still in the league and he’s already a top 5 player I love to hear talk ball 🔥
I've noticed the same thing with JJ's shot. I loved his shot growing up. I take elements from all my favorite shooters going up. I'm 35, I've been watching and playing ball since I was six. JJ, you should have played for my Lakers with Kobe, Pau, and LO. Talk about a perfect foot for you . . .
love CamJ, glad to see him on here
I can listen to this all day and night
Bro a genius
Tremendous insight into Monty and the attributes that are going to make him the perfect coach for our young Pistons! Love your show JJ, especially the Piston content! Cam is bright and articulate!
if only it were so 😢
@@jayc6894 I was wrong to believe what Cam said! I was concerned about the way he dealt with Ayton!
Wow this level of focus for a player so young is wild, i hope hes able to apply it to himself and become a star
This is a high-level shooting conversation. I love it.
Was surprised to hear how articulate Cam is (not because of my assumptions of him, but of NBA players, or even pro athletes in general). Genuinely impressed by his intricately intelligent observations and his ability to clearly communicate them.
I realized the "left vs. right" shooting issue a few years ago when all the youngsters wanted to be Steph Curry and pull up all the time.
I would just force them all to the right super hard and they thought I was some sort of wizard because they couldn't score on me.
In actuality I was just lazy lol.
Is that just for left hand shooters too?
@@hendrikdalnoot2821 force pull-up jump shooters to their strong hand, so for lefties it's to their left.
I am ambidextrous but I shoot with my right hand left right footwork is easier for me. And when I dunk I go up with left right normally thats how leftys jump off 2 foot. What I want to say is that it feels natural either footwork.
@@MakaveliDior good for you!
probably the more important thing is to keep them moving left. If they cross back to their right hand, or gather with their right hand they'll have a lot better chance to hit the shot.
Watching your clips back and saying dang that was way faster than i thought is so true. In the moment it feels like you’re taking your time but watching it back it looks normal/quick
What an incredible and insightful clip. The attention to detail is inspiring.
God i love cam. He a suns player forever
I've always found going right easier because it allowed me to put the rotation of my body into the shot, in addition to the reasoning JJ gave. I'm short with a negative wingspan, going right gives me space. This was a great conversation. Also thought he was talking about Trae Young at first, then when he said "he's bigger than everybody" I was like, wait what?
I’m going thru the comments right now trying to find out who he was talking about. I thought he meant Trae Young too until the “bigger than everybody” comment.
that's what i thought, but I think he's talking about Trey Murphy
Kyle korver
Wow!!! This guy is going to be such a good shooter and player! He is so intelligent and well spoken! Cam will be pretty good too!
love cam. really enjoy hearing you two talk prep and strategy
MJ was really the first guy to rotate his hips and shoulders on pull ups and fadeaways, Kobe really mastered that aspect. That’s what made them so difficult to defend and it helped them create space. A lot of players do it today. Kyrie, Dame, and Jimmy Butler are a few guys I can think of that do it frequently
Book probably best in the league right now at this
@@lancewilliams8001yea as far as fades Book is in a league of his own rn
Rotating the hips and shoulders also just feels more natural. Too many people lock up when fading and you rlly need to let the momentum carry you into the shot and like Jj and Cam said it’s all about the timing of the release being squared with the rim
Then maybe you need to watch Jerry West who did it 20 years before Jordan lol
@@jonathanjones146 Oh yea he did it but MJ made it a lot more exaggerated. He swung his right leg out a lot more and he really leaned back on pull ups. Jerry was more muted and subtle if that makes any sense. I see a lot of guys pulling up the way MJ did in today’s game with the dominant leg being swung forward and leaning back.
Love this. Cam is a student of the game and should enjoy a long career because of it. Side note: I thought he was talking about Trae Young until he said “he’s bigger than everybody.” Help??
Trey Murphy I think
Yes! Thank you. I like that guy.
I love listening to pros break down the mechanics and intricacies of their sport!
Love your pod, JJ!
Bring back Cam from time time! He's such a cerebral and well spoken dude. Really made me watch and play the game differently.
Im a sucker for high IQ basketball analysis 😩
I like shooting to the right way more than the left. I jumped very high when I shot so it felt very fluid to jump and rotate my body because I was in the air for so long. Going to the left I believe you have to have a lower base to your jump shot, that may be why it's difficult for them to go to the right because they're not in the air for as long.
When you see the great shooters at shooting to the right they jump very high in their shots. Redick, Jordan, Kobe, Jimmy Butler, etc. They all are in the air for a long time.
@@chasechewning101 seems like one motion shooters prefer going left and don't jump much (more like a hop) where as most of the players you listed are two motion shooters who jump higher and hold the ball longer while reaching the apex of their jump.
It's crazy listening to this and the amount of knowledge, detail and training that goes into just one task at the NBA level.
i couldn't stop this one. watched it till the end. great interview
Always been a fan of Cam since his NC days, everyone was shocked when he went in the lottery lol...6'10" and shot 50%+ from 3 at home wasn't very suprising to me. Now it makes complete sense, definitely must've impressed a lot of people in his draft interviews!
Love when Tommy is off.
Edit- “Damn it” 9 minutes in lol
Tommy “And we touched on this before” Alter
Can’t wait to see the full episode. Just you two talking about shooting for 10 minutes is 🔥
@9:25 "It's so good, bro. His lower body is so good." sus
Lmao...I was looking for at least one comment. Thought I was the only one that heard that.
Its not wrong to comment first, go nets
Go where? Home in the first round?
Not wrong at all
@Saxandfifths Brooklyn should allow mikal, cam and Spence to develop and just add a developed big man, Try to have cam johnson run a draymond sort of role like In Golden state difference here is he can shoot. Set off ball screens to get his teammates open looks. More passes the better.
Dang!!! I am loving this!!! Saving it to a playlist
Damn. Cam is definitely a student of the game. I had to rewind this multiple times to understand. I’m highly impressed
So comfortable listening to these two dudes talking hoops
This is fascinating! Love the detail. And if I’m picky I would love a couple short clips of the exact shots they are talking about so I could get a better understanding. Good work!
Cam is brilliant! Dude is articulate as man!
Hearing conversation in technique in any sport is so captivating because its something where I, who has no athletic ability at all can appreciate and see in depth what the actual professional does day in and day out in there respected craft. Love conversations like these cause it just gives me the sensation think i can physically do it, but in actuality could never do but still dream. Top notch content JJ and Cam. Thank you for sharing these engaging convos like these that both the athlete and spectators can appreciate
Best video I have seen in a long time…
That video resonates so much.
I have always taught my players that shooting off the catch or dribble is much easier going left (for right handed players) as your shoulders are square.
I love how Cam talks about JJ shooting going right. How he does it is soooo difficult. That’s an art form. The momentum and finding the right moment to release is very very hard. That’s why only so few players are truly elite shooters.
Love the discussion around footwork variability. Need to be able to pick appropriate footwork at the right moment in time - don’t get me started on coaches who only teach one way.
Also like JJ talking about the hop. Same thing. Much easier going left. Going right is a lot more rotation.
Base - yes… I like to talk about stability and being connected with the floor.
Love this video. Most coaches should watch this.
I don’t know that I’ve ever heard Cam before other than small sound bytes. What an intelligent, thoughtful dude. He made a new fan. I’ll be checking for him this season.