To be fair, the 675R is a significantly more expensive bike. I would've chosen it over my 2013 636 when I bought it new but I couldn't afford it. For the money the Ninja is still the best super sport there is, at least in my opinion.
I considered all three of these last time I went bike shopping. I ended up buying a Triumph Street Triple, which is the naked version of the Daytona 675.
The triumph is not an "odd ball" displacement, the 636 and 750 are - they can't be raced in any major categories. But supersports racing allows 600cc 4cyl, 675cc 3cyl, and 750cc 2 cyl. This is why manufacturers pick one of those three configs. Ducati used to make the 748 and 749 twins. Other companies used to make 675 triples, today it's just Triumph and MV. And of course, many companies make 600cc 4 cyls, that's the most common. But none of those are "oddball" sizes.
TheMesaRedneck in this case, yes I do. I can back up all my claims with evidence. Anyone can with 2 seconds of googling. Are you going to ignore all that and say "yeah, but motorcycle.com said it was an oddball size in one of their videos!" Just one fucking example dude. Look at this page, 675cc 3cyl MV Augusta competing with the 600cc 4cyls in the 2015 world supersports championship. : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Supersport_World_Championship . There are no Kawasaki 636's there, there are no GSXR750's there. Because they are oddball sizes. Go through the championships for others years, you will see Triumph daytona 675's, MV Augusta's, in the late 90's and early 2000's you will see 750 twin cyls. The information is all out there, easily accessible to anyone with a brain.
+tosgem moron, nobody uses Wikipedia for fact checking. anyone can go on there and type anything they want. so no you don't know more than the professionals and no you can't back it up.
TheMesa what about wsbk.com, the official website of the people who run the competition... is that good enough for you? resources.worldsbk.com/newsdesk/2015/docs/2015%20Provisional%20WSS%20Entry%20List.pdf If not, you're not worth arguing with anymore.
I upgraded from a ninja 650 to a Suzuki 750. I almost bought the triumph Daytona, but Suzuki ended up winning for me, I found its just more comfortable. Also it comes with things OEM that I would have have to buy afterwards on the Daytona ie. Turn signal mirrors, rear turning lights are built in and spaced well so no need to buy a integrated rail light. My buddy has the 30th anniversary edition 636. We don't have a track here in Calgary. But on the streets we both love our bikes. Bottom line all 3 bikes are awesome. Buy what you like. Btw Daytona is the most rare bike out of the 3 and then 750 and 636 are common imo.
In 2013 my step-son was about to get the Daytona 675R but went with the GSX-R750 instead. The reason, the insurance on the Daytona was way,way higher than the GSX-R750 here in California.
+weljo2001 out of curiosity. what was the reason that would make the insurance so much higher than the higher displacement gsxr. Where i live they just sort all bikes by their displacement, 111-400/401-750/751-1150/1151 and up. More displacement more it should be, shouldnt it?
I've always owned a Japanese inline 4 cbr 600rr and the Kawasaki zx6r ninja and loved them fantastic bikes especially the Kawasaki but until 4 weeks ago I sold my ninja and brought a 2013 675r and I really get what people say about it as it comes stacked with mods and is an awesome ride oh 💚the sound of the triple with the arrow can for me there's now only one winner here for me and it's not Japanese 🏁🏁🏁🏁
Also it's going to be used for a daily commuter/street bike as long as the weather is cooperating. Track days may come at some point but prolly not for awhile.
Depends on the track, depends on your ability, your weight, depends on tires, suspension set up, comfortability, budget. Basically its a matter of opinion. There's no right or wrong answer until you've riden both, to where you're most comfortable. I hope answers your question. :)
Because the title of the story and video is "Oddball Middleweight Sportbike" meaning, any sportbike above 600cc and below 1000cc. Racing classes weren't a consideration in this test. As for the 848, Ducati couldn't provide us one in time for this test. And it did rather poorly the last time we included it.
ooooh i see. can you guys please do a full middleweight review/shootout? i want to know what you guys think about the new cbr600 and zx6r and all the other ones.....I want to see how they stack up against each other, especially the cbr
The one I would of like to see here as well is the F3 Augusta. I already saw a comparo between the F3 and the Triumph but those guys didn't really do a good job. Their reasoning was that there was no need for an F3 since we already have a Triumph which is better. We might as well just all ride triumphs in that case. Great review, talking about the best of each bike, great information. The video I am talking about is one of the motortrend channels.
you did a very good video a few years ago comparing the zx6r with the 675,you put the zx6r ahead of the 675 ,how do you think the 09 zx6r would compare against the current crop,Traction control ,ABS sounds good,but power mode a unessecary extra on a 600
Maintenance costs are almost always $85 per hour and for parts, except for bike specific, they are pretty much the same across the board. Nissin brakes costs the same no matter what bike and the same for Brembo(my ducs Brembo pads are $90 a caliper no diff between rear, front right or left. You will run into instances where(like the Ducati StreetFighter) the rim sizes severely limit your tire choices, so that's a good place to research how much do you want to spend on a rear vs how you will ride
Did you guys change the tires on the Gixxer and the ZX? Because the Triumph comes with supercorsa, which is one of the best tires for the track and both of the japanese bikes dont.
I've heard that the daytona is really uncomfortable. The best thing you can do is go sit on all the bikes and test ride them to see what works for you. I hear good things about the gsxr750 as a street bike since it has a lot more low end than a 600 but isn't as crazy as a 1000. Hope this helps, good luck on getting your new bike!
@@TheJoker-dj4yqwhat the fuck are you on about? He’s right. Sit on your bikes before buying it, always get a feel of your bike and how it suits it body type. Quit being stupid. Also, you never heard of a dealership?
TIP: Criticize a lot more. Others, including me, come to videos like this to find a bike to look more into. We know they are all good, and that is why pointing out every single "weak" point of the bike(s) is what we are looking for. Hope others agree and like this comment so it will be seen.
If you're going to do a 2013 shoot out, might want to use a 2013 Daytona and since it a middleweight perhaps adding the MV Agusta F3 and then there's also the Ducati 848evo. Now that would be a middleweight shootout.
Not sure how it is in the states, but Kawasaki Australia sells the ZX6R and the ZX636 along side each other. ZX6R aimed at track use with the 636 more a road bike. So, at least here in Australia, the ZX636 doesn't replace the ZX6R.
i just want them to do a full middleweight comparison video!!! i want to see what they really say about the new cbr 600....have all the middelweight bike, the r6, gsxr, zx6r 636 and cbr 600
Did you guys find the lack of a steering dampner on the ninja noticable or does the traction control help sort it out that well. I bought this bike and am excited to read all the news about it.thanks in advance.
excuse me for saying.. i am quite a n00b about motobkes.. but would the honda cbr 600rr would of fit in there ? and if so, why you guys didn't include it ?
Have you guys ever tested the Corse Special Edition version of the 848? I used to own the 848 Evo, but wondered what difference the upgraded suspension and traction control made, to the bike.
Criticism and greater details are always found on the MO website. Our videos are a companion to our articles. That said, the trio tested here is comprised of stellar bikes. If you like the way they look and can afford the price, you'll be happy with either of them. They're that good.
You never really said which bike was best on the track, I guess the Triumph wins on a tight track? ...or does the Gixxer still win? I'm glad to see you picked a winner for the street and qualified it well
I'd vote for the Kawasaki because it sounds like the most fun and most forgiving. I've had a wide variety of road,trail,adventure bikes including two CBR600s. 1995 they still came with a centre stand.
It would really be awesome if every Bike rated on a scale of 1-5 (1 being least and 5 highest points) on 5 basic parameters that it is governed by on the day of testing it..The 5 parameters could be : 1. Looks of Bike 2. Performance/Handling on streets (Since most cant afford to take it out on circuit track) 3. Comfort (riding position mostly) 4. Maintainance cost 5. Price Pls post a video on this to help us understand a mid range sports bike more.
good video but can you guys do a video on supermoto bikes because it seems as if you all only do videos on sportbikes where as the name of the channel is motorcycle which means you all should feature all types of motorcycles
It would be tough to choose..love the 750, but also love the 636. I think in the end, I would drop the cash for the 750..Suzukis are just so damn bullet proof. Had a 97 Gixxer 600, had for 6 years..never ever had a problem with it.
Guys I need some advice... I'm kinda new to riding and been on a 2012 CBR250 for awhile now and I am ready to upgrade. I want a 2013 Ninja ZX6R bad, but kawi's banks ain't hearing it right now cuz of my credit. Sales guy got me approved for a 2013 Triumph 675 which is close in price and I'm not sure what I want to do. And after watching this vid it's got me thinking about a gsxr 750. I like the overall look of the ninja and gsxr more than the triumph. decisions decisions...
i was also thinking the same thing, and also the mv agusta f3, but i think they didnt include these bikes because its more of a european exotic category sportbikes? i guess? ;)
In my opinion triumph daytona 675r is the best bike because 'it sounds the best', its brakes n suspension are the best in class, it offers quick shifter, n it has got inline 3 cylinders which produces maximum torque for a drag..
I'll take the Daytona every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
To be fair, the 675R is a significantly more expensive bike. I would've chosen it over my 2013 636 when I bought it new but I couldn't afford it. For the money the Ninja is still the best super sport there is, at least in my opinion.
A few good men 👌🏼
Shocker..the 750 beats out the 600's
I considered all three of these last time I went bike shopping. I ended up buying a Triumph Street Triple, which is the naked version of the Daytona 675.
This guy's hair is seriously not behaving accordingly with his age.
+yanching Rod Stewart
+yanching Gixxer rider.
Better than wearing a stupid, tryhard cowboy hat ...
The triumph is very under rated. Plus that sound is awesome.
An oddball middleweight is loosely defined in our eyes as anything above 600cc and less than 1000cc.
i like how this review is still relevant, since not much at all has changed
The triumph is not an "odd ball" displacement, the 636 and 750 are - they can't be raced in any major categories. But supersports racing allows 600cc 4cyl, 675cc 3cyl, and 750cc 2 cyl. This is why manufacturers pick one of those three configs. Ducati used to make the 748 and 749 twins. Other companies used to make 675 triples, today it's just Triumph and MV. And of course, many companies make 600cc 4 cyls, that's the most common. But none of those are "oddball" sizes.
yes because you know more than the professionals. dipshit.
TheMesaRedneck in this case, yes I do. I can back up all my claims with evidence. Anyone can with 2 seconds of googling. Are you going to ignore all that and say "yeah, but motorcycle.com said it was an oddball size in one of their videos!"
Just one fucking example dude. Look at this page, 675cc 3cyl MV Augusta competing with the 600cc 4cyls in the 2015 world supersports championship. : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Supersport_World_Championship . There are no Kawasaki 636's there, there are no GSXR750's there. Because they are oddball sizes.
Go through the championships for others years, you will see Triumph daytona 675's, MV Augusta's, in the late 90's and early 2000's you will see 750 twin cyls.
The information is all out there, easily accessible to anyone with a brain.
+tosgem moron, nobody uses Wikipedia for fact checking. anyone can go on there and type anything they want. so no you don't know more than the professionals and no you can't back it up.
TheMesa what about wsbk.com, the official website of the people who run the competition... is that good enough for you? resources.worldsbk.com/newsdesk/2015/docs/2015%20Provisional%20WSS%20Entry%20List.pdf
If not, you're not worth arguing with anymore.
TheMesaRedneck go back to school you have the mentality of a 12 year old.
Really wish you guys included the updated and heavily revised 675R what was introduced at the end of last year instead.
Great clip guys. Very informative and well put together. Thanks.
I upgraded from a ninja 650 to a Suzuki 750. I almost bought the triumph Daytona, but Suzuki ended up winning for me, I found its just more comfortable. Also it comes with things OEM that I would have have to buy afterwards on the Daytona ie. Turn signal mirrors, rear turning lights are built in and spaced well so no need to buy a integrated rail light. My buddy has the 30th anniversary edition 636. We don't have a track here in Calgary. But on the streets we both love our bikes. Bottom line all 3 bikes are awesome. Buy what you like. Btw Daytona is the most rare bike out of the 3 and then 750 and 636 are common imo.
:34 dem gsxr boys always showing off..
That GSXR is one ugly MOFO. The triumph on the other hand I want to wine and dine... and get to know her first.
In 2013 my step-son was about to get the Daytona 675R but went with the GSX-R750 instead. The reason, the insurance on the Daytona was way,way higher than the GSX-R750 here in California.
+weljo2001 out of curiosity. what was the reason that would make the insurance so much higher than the higher displacement gsxr. Where i live they just sort all bikes by their displacement, 111-400/401-750/751-1150/1151 and up. More displacement more it should be, shouldnt it?
+DwNecrid Not sure I'll have to ask him. I had a Kawasaki Versys 650 and an Yamaha FJR 1300 and the Versys was more expensive on insurance.
why did'nt you guys use the new 2013 Daytona 675R
Good video, just read the article and i saw this is going to be re-reviwed with the new model triumph.
Cant wait,
Thanks
I've always owned a Japanese inline 4 cbr 600rr and the Kawasaki zx6r ninja and loved them fantastic bikes especially the Kawasaki but until 4 weeks ago I sold my ninja and brought a 2013 675r and I really get what people say about it as it comes stacked with mods and is an awesome ride oh 💚the sound of the triple with the arrow can for me there's now only one winner here for me and it's not Japanese 🏁🏁🏁🏁
Until you ride a zx10r like I did and the triumph becomes trash
@@jponz85 comparing a zx10 to a 600 cc bike. Lol smart one right there.
@@UvidCo not comparing, just stating. I have both green zx6r and zx10r and it's night and day
@@jponz85 of course it's a 600 vs 1000. Put that 1000 up against a H2 and it's night and day.
Compare apples to apples not to peaches lol.
@@UvidCo comparing 600s to 675 isnt apple to apple's either who cares. You can get liter bikes for the same price as a 600, that's my comparison.
If we didn't have new bikes coming our way all the time, the bikes in this group would definitely be on our short list of motorcycles we'd own!
I'm happy to say I went with the Ninja. 2013 zx6r w/ abs! Love this bike!
Nice short video. Love they do reviews on both track and street.
Also it's going to be used for a daily commuter/street bike as long as the weather is cooperating. Track days may come at some point but prolly not for awhile.
great video. i was wondering though could you do a video on bikes you might personally own?
What kind of external mic do you guys use to record? Voice sounds so clear.
Depends on the track, depends on your ability, your weight, depends on tires, suspension set up, comfortability, budget. Basically its a matter of opinion. There's no right or wrong answer until you've riden both, to where you're most comfortable. I hope answers your question. :)
You guys do good vids... I think we would all have been fine to wait till they were ready
Because the title of the story and video is "Oddball Middleweight Sportbike" meaning, any sportbike above 600cc and below 1000cc. Racing classes weren't a consideration in this test. As for the 848, Ducati couldn't provide us one in time for this test. And it did rather poorly the last time we included it.
The 2013 675R, MV F3,and 848 EVO are missing and should be here!! That would make this battle EPIC!
i like the Triumph Daytona 675R :) great review
ooooh i see. can you guys please do a full middleweight review/shootout? i want to know what you guys think about the new cbr600 and zx6r and all the other ones.....I want to see how they stack up against each other, especially the cbr
The one I would of like to see here as well is the F3 Augusta. I already saw a comparo between the F3 and the Triumph but those guys didn't really do a good job. Their reasoning was that there was no need for an F3 since we already have a Triumph which is better. We might as well just all ride triumphs in that case. Great review, talking about the best of each bike, great information. The video I am talking about is one of the motortrend channels.
We'll be happy to test your 2013. You do know they're not available yet, right?
you did a very good video a few years ago comparing the zx6r with the 675,you put the zx6r ahead of the 675 ,how do you think the 09 zx6r would compare against the current crop,Traction control ,ABS sounds good,but power mode a unessecary extra on a 600
Maintenance costs are almost always $85 per hour and for parts, except for bike specific, they are pretty much the same across the board. Nissin brakes costs the same no matter what bike and the same for Brembo(my ducs Brembo pads are $90 a caliper no diff between rear, front right or left. You will run into instances where(like the Ducati StreetFighter) the rim sizes severely limit your tire choices, so that's a good place to research how much do you want to spend on a rear vs how you will ride
Looks like last year's Triumph did well against the others in this "odd ball class" . When is the re-test with the 2013 Daytona?
Who cares if its biased, I wasn't expecting the Ninja to come out on top in the straight line performance.
Did you guys change the tires on the Gixxer and the ZX? Because the Triumph comes with supercorsa, which is one of the best tires for the track and both of the japanese bikes dont.
I've heard that the daytona is really uncomfortable. The best thing you can do is go sit on all the bikes and test ride them to see what works for you. I hear good things about the gsxr750 as a street bike since it has a lot more low end than a 600 but isn't as crazy as a 1000. Hope this helps, good luck on getting your new bike!
@@TheJoker-dj4yqwhat the fuck are you on about? He’s right. Sit on your bikes before buying it, always get a feel of your bike and how it suits it body type. Quit being stupid. Also, you never heard of a dealership?
One is the standard daytime running light, and the other is the high beam.
That is the old 675R, NOT the new 2013 version. Come on guys get with the program and where is the 848 and MV F3 675 and the new 800.
why review with the old Daytona? isn't the new model available in the US? just curious, as the new model has quite a handful of updates..
I’ve had 2 , 2007 gsxr 750’s . Brought them on the street and track . Great all around bike that can hang with both 600’s and 1000’s .
Great show!!!
The new Daytona isn't yet available over here, and this shootout was planned months ago. Plus, now we get to do this all over again!
should do a review on the new 675r 2013 model.
Kidding me? Everyone loves that sound. Sets it apart.
Are you guys ommiting the 675 and 636 in your 600 cc shootout this year then?
TIP: Criticize a lot more. Others, including me, come to videos like this to find a bike to look more into. We know they are all good, and that is why pointing out every single "weak" point of the bike(s) is what we are looking for. Hope others agree and like this comment so it will be seen.
If you're going to do a 2013 shoot out, might want to use a 2013 Daytona and since it a middleweight perhaps adding the MV Agusta F3 and then there's also the Ducati 848evo. Now that would be a middleweight shootout.
I have not had the chance to check out triumph's 675 would the seat height be all right for someone who is 5'7.5"?
It is always the bikes that stands out that gets remembered. :P
Got myself a white 636 yesterday. It's awesome
Not sure how it is in the states, but Kawasaki Australia sells the ZX6R and the ZX636 along side each other. ZX6R aimed at track use with the 636 more a road bike.
So, at least here in Australia, the ZX636 doesn't replace the ZX6R.
i just want them to do a full middleweight comparison video!!! i want to see what they really say about the new cbr 600....have all the middelweight bike, the r6, gsxr, zx6r 636 and cbr 600
Cool nice video i love ninja 636
Did you guys find the lack of a steering dampner on the ninja noticable or does the traction control help sort it out that well. I bought this bike and am excited to read all the news about it.thanks in advance.
This video influenced my decision to go ahead and buy a new GSXR 750
I'm also leaning towards the gixxer... how are you finding it so far? Any regrets, any dislikes? Or, are you over the moon with your choice?
what about the cbr 600? what is a oddball middleweight review anyway?
excuse me for saying.. i am quite a n00b about motobkes.. but would the honda cbr 600rr would of fit in there ? and if so, why you guys didn't include it ?
got a questions for you, if you are coming in too fast for a turn what do you do????
Have you guys ever tested the Corse Special Edition version of the 848?
I used to own the 848 Evo, but wondered what difference the upgraded suspension and traction control made, to the bike.
My mother called your parents, our parents don't want us hanging out anymore. We get in to much trouble together:)
what would you recommend for the track? the 2013 ZX6R or the 2013 Daytona 675R? Purely track/racing. Thanks!
Because you didn't go to the web site to read the full story...?
i am confused... the 600cc bikes are in another category ? Are they realy slower then these ?
Criticism and greater details are always found on the MO website. Our videos are a companion to our articles. That said, the trio tested here is comprised of stellar bikes. If you like the way they look and can afford the price, you'll be happy with either of them. They're that good.
execellent vid, but the duc 848 and the mv f3 are missing
You never really said which bike was best on the track, I guess the Triumph wins on a tight track? ...or does the Gixxer still win? I'm glad to see you picked a winner for the street and qualified it well
disappointing you guys didn't wait for the 2013 Daytona :(
I'd vote for the Kawasaki because it sounds like the most fun and most forgiving. I've had a wide variety of road,trail,adventure bikes including two CBR600s. 1995 they still came with a centre stand.
can you guys do a review on the 848 eveo please;-)
We would've used the new Daytona, of course, if it was available, but it was still months away from arriving in America.
love that color scheme of the gixxer
why'd you choose it over the ducati 848 evo ?
It would really be awesome if every Bike rated on a scale of 1-5 (1 being least and 5 highest points) on 5 basic parameters that it is governed by on the day of testing it..The 5 parameters could be :
1. Looks of Bike
2. Performance/Handling on streets (Since most cant afford to take it out on circuit track)
3. Comfort (riding position mostly)
4. Maintainance cost
5. Price
Pls post a video on this to help us understand a mid range sports bike more.
Is that GMR (Glendora Mountain Road)?
gixxer 750 could be my second bike to go with my 08 cbr600rr.
What’s the deal with the muttonchops ?!
Dude why are you doing a review on a triumph Daytona 2012. The 2013 is out already.
Motorcycle, Why no Ducati 848evo?
good video but can you guys do a video on supermoto bikes because it seems as if you all only do videos on sportbikes where as the name of the channel is motorcycle which means you all should feature all types of motorcycles
It would be tough to choose..love the 750, but also love the 636. I think in the end, I would drop the cash for the 750..Suzukis are just so damn bullet proof. Had a 97 Gixxer 600, had for 6 years..never ever had a problem with it.
you can get that at the manufacturer site
hey why doesn't some countries offer the black and yellow colour for the suzuki??
I'm surprised you guys didn't test the 2013 daytona, it's supposed to be so much better than the 2012. Great review though, keep up the good work!
Where do you get that info?
Guys I need some advice... I'm kinda new to riding and been on a 2012 CBR250 for awhile now and I am ready to upgrade. I want a 2013 Ninja ZX6R bad, but kawi's banks ain't hearing it right now cuz of my credit. Sales guy got me approved for a 2013 Triumph 675 which is close in price and I'm not sure what I want to do. And after watching this vid it's got me thinking about a gsxr 750. I like the overall look of the ninja and gsxr more than the triumph. decisions decisions...
Then why can the 636cc Kawasaki compare to the other 600cc bikes
I remember when 750 was 'the' displacement for a sports bike due to the rules in WSB racing.
thank you i was waiting for just that shootout
i was also thinking the same thing, and also the mv agusta f3, but i think they didnt include these bikes because its more of a european exotic category sportbikes? i guess? ;)
What bike is good for a person that is 6'2"
Hey, why the hell you comparing GSX-R750 with 600-category sport bikes? It should be GSX-R600.
Gsxr 600 isnt an oddball
Its a safety feature. My 07 zx6r has it as well.
In my opinion triumph daytona 675r is the best bike because 'it sounds the best', its brakes n suspension are the best in class, it offers quick shifter, n it has got inline 3 cylinders which produces maximum torque for a drag..
how about the new daytona 2013?
Anyone know the intro song's title? Let me know please
4:55 cowboy hat, shades, and leathers is lunatic!
I cant take the guy on the triumph seriously with that hat on lol
Exactly once you decide the size and type of bike you want its all personal preference after that.
I am usually a Honda guy, but in this comparo (even IF the new CBR 600RR was included), I'd go for the Kawasaki. What a bike that is.
Great choice, that bike has all you ever need in a superbike, just be careful. Always have your engine revved while getting into a curve and be safe.