If anyone is wondering why Hyundai uses so many stamped steel components compared to teslas die cast aluminum strategy. Hyundai is the only auto company in the world that produces their own steel. They save a lot of money using their own forges.
@@mrm1885 You clearly don't have a clue if you think this is an "economy" car. From top to bottom, the quality of the workmanship and features are better than the Model 3 or Model Y and just as good as the Mach E. You probably haven't even seen one in person let alone sat in one. From an engineering standpoint, Tesla is better in certain areas like heat pump size, battery capacity and range.
The Ioniq 5 is one of the quietest cars I've driven for the price. Quieter than a Model S. I believe their NVH attempts worked wonders. This car is peaceful to sit in.
Which Model S? The Frameless windows are a bit louder than the framed ones. It's no reason why you need to compare it to a Model S. Kinda like comparing a Ferrari to a Hyundai Elantra in terms of quietness. lol
@@KyleHubb agreed. why everyone attempts to throw shade at TESLA, I have no idea. What does quieter mean anyway? What was he measuring it with? How windy was it during both tests? What’s it humid or dry? Was it on the same road?
It doesn’t take much to be quieter than a Tesla. The Tesla windows are a wind noise nightmare. Plus the heat pump is really loud. My model 3 is my noisiest vehicle when it’s stopped that I own. The heat pump is louder than an idling internal combustion engine.
Looking back to 14 months ago. It was only Sandy ripping apart the model 3, with all his quirky humor & bitching. Now I’m hooked line & sinker deep listening to serious impact analysis & wheel kinematics. THANK YOU crews of Munro Live🙏
I love the use of terminology in these videos - "A-surface" - "rub scenario" - "mass dampers" - "perimeter cradle" - "NVH" - "pencil brace" - and so on. Makes me wish I were doing vehicle engineering these days.
EDM - Electrical Discharge Machining EDM - Electronic DJ Music EDM - Electric Drive Motor-assembly I don't see how a "rub scenario" is a negative thing.
Absolutely love this content. Solid engineers talking solid principles. Could do this all day long. With a eng and manufacturing background and a passion for cars, this is great stuff.
I'm totally into EVs. But I'm not a car guy or mechanic or engineer otherwise. I'm learning so much from your channel. You don't 'dumb it down' for me and you aren't too technical. Love the channel! I also learn a lot from the comments. Thank you everyone.
Great episode. These videos aren't just a great service to those of us that just love having the knowledge about these vehicles, but these videos are truly valuable to the auto manufacturers if they are paying attention.
Major vehicle manufacturers have this knowledge either inhouse in their product development and costing teams or with their suppliers or - ideally - with both of these groups. In the end, they had to design, simulate, produce and test the constructions in the first place. They also have the competitors' products right there. I do not think the short Munro videos will bring much benefit to them. The audience of TH-cam videos is rather common TH-cam bingewatching people, not industry people. If industry people really appreciate Munro&Associates' work, they will buy the extensive (and expensive) reports, which have way more details than the few rather non-technical sentences in the videos. And if industry wants to review an Ioniq 5 - they will just buy one with the options of their choice, tear it down, look at their parts and software modules of interest and come to their own conclusions.
@@koeniglicher interesting pov but kind of shows why Tesla is eating everyone’s lunch… cause guess who DOES watch Munro TH-cam content… Elon himself has commented about the show.. Tesla engineers pay attention to content and have made changes based on what they’ve seen here.
Hyundai/Kia have been making consistent improvements to their vehicles for many years, and I'm very glad to see them continue to do so in the EV segment.
That's if you dont know what they're talking about. They havent explained that if you stick to Tesla model, if any intergrated piece breaks your have to go back to dealer and they're good a ripping you off and keeping your car for months. Good luck with that. I'd rather buy a $23 12v pump and replace it myself instead of paying $1600 for intergrated unit.
@@MunroLive Some interesting space at the rear of the battery pack , could that be for a lager standard battery ? if not, an after market piggy back add-on battery could be an option.....
Thank you for your really insightful videos that give the average consumers around the world (I'm in Australia) a view into the engineering, technology and manufacturing of EVs at a plain English level. Your videos helped me shift my views from ICEs to EVs and I put my order in for Sandy's favourite EV manufacturer.
Incredible videos! I absolutely love hearing the detail you guys go through. That's the type of detail I strive for. Thank you for all you do and keep them coming! I am learning so much about how car manufacturers think and design. Well at least some of it.
I'm almost ready to write my exam boys! Another great tutorial thanks. I never thought I'd be into seeing how my vehicle is actually designed. You guys make my driving experience more technical now!
Hey Munro & Associates, I'm not by any means intending this in a derogatory way but as someone who will be welcoming a daughter into the world soon, and also have several nieces, I hope your team will try in the future to welcome more women engineers to your organization! It'd be really cool (and inspiring) to see a female host on Monroe Live. I feel a duty to talk about this because in car culture in general there's still this overwhelming notion (and reality) that most of us are men, yet I know plenty of women who are gearheads! We've just got to welcome them into our "world" so to speak. And since y'all are talking about hiring, I figured this would be a perfect time to mention this. Keep up the good work boys, y'all have one of the coolest channels on TH-cam right now.
I expect the culture at Munro is based purely on merit. (I imagine Sandy's wife may have an opinion on that, being an engineer?...... If memory serves)
Honestly, they probably just don’t get a lot of female applicants. Engineering is still very male dominated, so majority of applicants that are skilled enough for the job are likely male. I think in this instance, you can’t just be a “gear head” to get the job. Probably looking for engineering degrees with multiple years experience as they are a consulting and design firm. I think in 10 years or so when there’s a higher percentage of experienced women for what they are looking for, you’ll see more women working there. Just my opinion though. They probably have women working there that just aren’t on camera.
Yep as an enthusiastic laymen, I appreciate the offensive strategy w crash management with full frontal and full width engagement. Better than adding so much weight into the cabin for defensive management. Also coming soon is side impact 2.0 (been following this years now) you’re going to see manufacturers going back to the drawing board for side structures. However with EVs they tend to have beefy floor sills so they’ll have a huge head start.
@@shazam6274 The Bolt is a blast to drive - got me in to EVs. It's also compact with a hatch - teslas might be effing symphonies, but orchestras are big.
Awesome video. Great to see that one of the best looking vehicles out there is also well engineered underneath. And what a dramatic improvement over the previous generation of Kia/Hyundai EVs! Seeing vehicles like this and the Mach E really underscores what a dramatic shift it is to build real Ground Up EVs. The companies muddling about trying to build heavily compromised "platform agnostic" vehicles are just falling further behind the curve. At some point "know how" turns into "dont know how" if they arent putting real world EVs through their paces and learning from them.
I am consuming every bit of Ioniq 5 content I can, super excited to purchase a 2023 model as my first EV. Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to more Ioniq 5 content!
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Some TH-camrs do phone reviews from inside. You guys do car's! How awesome is that? Thanks for all the hard work you put in those videos, you are shaping the customer's opinion!
You guys comment on the bracket holding the LV pump to be single use then comment the PS motor isn't protected. That's what the bracket serves as well. And it's shrouded underneath. Maintainability is not something you folks seem to focus on. Heavily integrated and buried systems can compromise the warranty costs for the manufacturer. I wish these "analysis" videos looked at the whole life cycle of the product and not just getting it out the door for cheap. Also, you really don't need to keep mentioning Tesla. That really puts your perspectives into a box. Not something I'd look for in a consulting firm.
@@chriauc2976 huh? Ill give you credit if English isn't your first language. Cory, etc, could use language like "we think this could be consolidated into one unit" and not "well Tesla does it like this...". That thinking puts you in a box and shuts off any benefits or possibility of listening to something different. Look at how they critique and interior buttons because "Tesla puts it on a screen". Buttons have purpose and are good man to machine interfaces of used correctly. Saying something is "best" is subjective opinion if no facts are sought and learned.
@@Wasabi9111 Pretty sure he's tall: Corey was "in-between" heights and has stated that "I'm a big guy" Most importantly, though, MAN, do they know their stuff!
I like the expert analyses by your team! Sandy doesn't need to be there for all of the detail. His first impressions and a rap up is good or any major points.
Regarding the gap at the side of the battery pack,. The car is built on the Hyundai E-GMP platform which is meant to be used on a variety of vehicles. The Ioniq 5 is a little wider, thus a gap. A future car may be narrower without a gap at the side of the battery pack. The ability to use E-GMP platform across a range of future vehicles would still be advantageous.
It was not long ago that Hyundai/Kia were an also-ran in automotive engineering. This Iconiq 5 is a very savvy demonstration of engineering approaching or equaling world class. Kia have shown an excellent balance between safety, manufacturability and control of NVH for comfort. The use of mass dampers is somewhat of a, “fix,” but here their use is judicious. I have seen added mass on BMWs that is almost a transition from, “fix,” to, “kludge.” Over all, Kia’s engineering makes sense for getting the car to production while controlling up front and running costs. Well done.
Great informative video, thanks. That SMC (unsaturated polyester) "shield" for the high voltage battery pack sure looks vulnerable to impact damage from debris on the road. Shouldn't Hyundai/Kia/Genesis use more substantial material to help prevent impact damage to the battery pack assembly including the battery cooling system?
This is a great video to come after the tear down of the Model S plaid...you can see the differences and why it matters. Hyundai has made a good start but they can do more and while their customers will never see the changes, they will appreciate it more through the increased efficiencies and cost reduction they make to improve cost, ride, handling and of course noise. Great job guys, always a pleasure.
4:10 OMG I would have never in a million years stumbled on a random piece of slag metal (in a nice disc shape with a nice coating I guess) and guessed that it was just extra mass because of a negative harmonic found late in the design process. Loving the details from professional vehicle designer/engineers. 16:50 I wonder if the RWD (w/300 miles yeah!) I anticipate getting will get all the same mass dampening bits as the ultimate AWDs that everyone is reviewing. Because everyone is super impressed with the low noise level, but they only have the ultimate AWD to test.
5:20 while I understand from a construction standpoint having things like your coolant pump integrated makes sense but think about the extra cost of having it replaced. Sometimes having things less integrated while the more expensive it does give the user a better experience over the lifetime of the vehicle. You see this a lot with Tesla vehicles having extremely high repair costs and its affected their brand image significantly. I love watching Munro as a person who used to work in the automotive manufacturing industry but I feel like you focus so much on integration you miss some of the other important details from a consumer perspective.
With EVs being many times more reliable than ICE products in general, the most common reason such parts get replaced is due to an accident. If the vehicle is not scrapped altogether during a collision then that cost is handled by the insurance provider. Teslas are known for easily passing 500k miles of range without issues for that reason, as integration does often help with long-term reliability, but then you have cases where some collision or impact throws a wrench into the mix, especially when considering cosmetics and such.
Munro focus is on cost, efficiency, and assembly. They don't care about repairs. It is against their moto. Their stance is don't build stuff to break. This is why engineer and mechanics are always at odds. Mechanics have to deal with reality, while engineers stand on theory. It'd be nice if stuff don't break like they designed, but in the entire history of the world nothing last, everything breaks. If you ever work as a repair guy, the most often thing you ask is why the hell did they made it like that? You'll swear they design it to make your life harder HAHAHA
@@Tien1million See, personally I believe the most profitable choice is to make things that are repairable because you'll sell more vehicle and you'll sell more parts because the cars will be on the road longer.
Hey Munro editors, check your bitrate settings. Even in 4K, I can see quite terrible compression artifacts. Could be TH-cam, but I think I've seen better picture quality in other videos. Great video though!
12:00 Additional hypothesis for the space between pack and frame: this pack is a common part of the platform, but chassis size can vary; i.e., they can make another narrower car than the Ioniq5 with this same pack design. (Ultracompact with 77kwhr & 400 miles & instant tire shred? That would be sweet, but probably just with the 58kwhr package.)
I'm surprised that you guys give away so much information for free. I'm getting quite the education (despite having little use for it, that I know of.)
I'm really enjoying and appreciating your walkthroughs as I wait for our Ioniq 5 to arrive. Living in Canada and needing to drive through some substantial snow and ice: I wonder if anyone has a skid plate solution for this car?
Thanks for all the detailed insights, always very informative! Do you confirm that Aerodynamic drag is proportional to V squared, but power needed for a certain speed is proportional to V cubed, right?
What I would like to see is what the bottom of the car looks like before you remove the protective covers. Seeing how smooth the manufacturer can make that part of the car gives you an idea of its aerodynamic efficiency. With this particular car, it appears a lot of expensive parts are very low to the ground. How well do you think the cover will be at protecting these expensive parts? Thanks for a great video, the more you know about which ever car you own, the better off you are.
re: "What I would like to see is what the bottom of the car looks like before you remove the protective covers" honestly there's surprisingly LITTLE to see, it's just flat/featureless. i have pictures on my phone and they're rather disappointing. in contrast, what the boys are doing up on the lift (with covers removed) is GREAT and quite the revelation how much EXTRA is going on and how it would likely impact aero without these shrouds in place. it's like a "poor mans" Lemans LMP-1 car.
Great video!! 👏👏👏 I would have liked to see the underbody shield, which you removed before recording the video, so it would be great if in other vehicles, next time, you could show it for a moment before removing it 😉😉👍👍
So they put the strong cross member as low as possible. So the car will perform well in the small overlap crash test but will still fail in real small overlap crashes as most of the structure of the other car will be above that thin steel member...
Another top drawer video. I like to think that Sandy and Co. are helping to keep the OEMs a little more honest, A half-assed product is going to be called as such and props go to the product that was thought out. Keep on Sending them.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I think Ford is definitely listening. They are already redoing the cooling system. I think it’s awesome and I’m sure there are a lot of people watch this channel and rooting Ford on.
From a repairing standpoint it is fatal to integrate a mount in the motor casting. These getting worn out quite often. You will need to lower the cradle and special tools to pry it out/in.
re: "From a repairing standpoint it is fatal to integrate a mount in the motor casting." bingo because: MODULARITY, because: SERVICEABILITY, because: WARRANTY FULFILLMENT.
Now the question remains: An engine makes way more movement than an electric motor. Maybe they won't wear out that much with the electric motor. I don't know, I'm just guessing.
@@Tom-ku8bu an electric motor is generally only trying to tear itself apart along one axis so maybe that can be controlled for better than an ICE engine that is trying to tear itself apart in a dozen different axies which only gets worse as various components wear or slip out of alignment. Also, having only two motor mounts in a hinge orientation perpendictular to the direction of the force of the motor is likely dramatically more stable than a series of essentially ball joint posts at the corners.
@@patreekotime4578 @Tom If it has to be serviced - and one day it has to be without a doubt - it's suboptimal. Apart from that, this mount is one of two torque arms, which already indicate high forces. Also electric motors create far greater instant torque and the direction is changing more often because of recuperation. This makes the mount experience more stress than on ICE vehicles.
Maybe the advantage of separate pumps and not the integration into one component like Tesla is the ability to replace what’s broken and not throw away more than what is needed. Maybe it’s a “greener” approach.
Hugely enjoy these videos showing what's underneath new EVs. This gives us insight into how different design teams are handling the new packaging realities that EVs require. It looks like many teams are struggling with getting everything efficiently packaged for manufacturing simplification and cost reductions. Of course, the amount of time a team has to address all these issues is another factor in how well integrated the design is. Since these designs will have five year lifetimes this will become important to profitability in future years. Thanks Munro Team for these insightful videos of what's underneath!
When looking at the rear suspension, you mentioned costs and compatibility, but don't most manufacturers build to put items on as many different vehicles as possible? Can't some of these choices that Hyundai made, reflect the piece's us across platforms? If I were involved in making cars, I would certainly try to leverage costs by making parts that fit many models, not just one type of unit.
I imagine those pieces are specific to the IONIQ 'for now', they're built to have a rear sub frame due to the car having a rear motor, without one I don't think you'd need as much structure back there. It's possible these parts could be shared for a future EV model though!
@@VoxelLoop Ioniq is its own platform. You're right. The parts are made to fit on the Ioniq 3 through 9. The other cars are to follow. Ioniq 6 comes out this year and others will follow very soon. The parts also fit on the Kias and Genesis models.
Yea the whole Ioniq E-GMP setup is was designed to have as many pieces as possible go to each of their upcoming models I remember one interview said a while back. Makes sense, the more common you can make a piece the easier to produce and quicker to assemble.
Great video guys. You point out differences/changes in this video but sometimes you don’t mention whether it is good or bad thing. Can you point this out in future videos.
The discussion of the old Kona and Niro platforms just barely getting by their crash evaluations is the bad thing for those models. Having a much better for crash worthiness front end design on the Ioniq 5 is a good thing for that model. They have to walk a fine line here as an important part of their business is selling reports on new vehicles to other OEMs, who have a tendency to not buy anything from you if you show their mistakes to everyone.
Interesting detail on the mass dampeners. There are some people in Europe who experience vibrations in the car body at some speeds. Mine seems fine, so there might be some variation between cars.
Often also car manufacturers forgo to cater for places with harder pavement (bigger stone size because of freezing conditions or the use of studs) or unpaved roads. Take a German car to a typical German paved road and your interior noise is of no issue - take the same car on a road in a nordic country just after a winter and you'll feel like you are suddenly driving on an unpaved road :D
I too was surprised to see forged aluminum on a rear LCA / spring support. Most common are cast aluminum or stamped steel, with light cars like Malibu and the smaller Ford Bronco using the extruded aluminum, called ExtruForm from Raufoss. I was also surprised to see the extruded bracket welded to the rear of the pack, yet maybe this shape is already used on the pack, and was convenient.
first thanks for the great video. many people like me love your channel. it is our window to the future in automotive. so thanks so much. wow a lot of interesting things going on in that car.
Having bolt on mounts is much better than Integrated mounts. If your mount breaks, you are replacing the entire drive unit. If the bushings go bad it's much more difficult to change them, especially if they are hot bonded to the casting..at that point you need to cut or burn it out, hone it, and press a sleeved bushing in. With bolt on units, you just pop in new mounts and you're done.
The torque is awesome. I have the 160kW RWD and it's not so much the time to 60mph that impresses me so much as the initial acceleration from a standing start.
Q: No mention of the rear driveshafts and their integrated hubs??? A: only heard about those being fitted to the EV6, but it makes sense that they should be found on the IO5.
13:15 - "something we don't typically see is a forged aluminum lower link here..." fwiw Cory, those may have been changed to aluminum for final production. there were a few press vehicles/pre-production vehicles running around last year where those rear lower control arms are in fact a giant piece of stamped/formed steel like the rest of the suspension arms. it's possible to save cost the single motor RWD versions DO get a steel piece (or overseas versions) whereas the "high dollar" AWD versions destined for 'Murica get the aluminum forging. because: FANCY.
Another great video, the Munro style of communication is really engaging. You could teach some very large companies how to reach a larger audience. Fascinating.
Sadly, many professionals prefer to use unnecessarily complicated language to maintain an aura of elitism and superiority... for example, lawyers and doctors.
If anyone is wondering why Hyundai uses so many stamped steel components compared to teslas die cast aluminum strategy. Hyundai is the only auto company in the world that produces their own steel. They save a lot of money using their own forges.
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And its an economy car.
@@mrm1885 a $50k + economy car 🤣.
@@mrm1885 You clearly don't have a clue if you think this is an "economy" car. From top to bottom, the quality of the workmanship and features are better than the Model 3 or Model Y and just as good as the Mach E. You probably haven't even seen one in person let alone sat in one. From an engineering standpoint, Tesla is better in certain areas like heat pump size, battery capacity and range.
@@mrm1885 stamped steel is stronger than cast aluminum, even pot metal / zinc alloy is generally stronger than cast aluminum.
The Ioniq 5 is one of the quietest cars I've driven for the price. Quieter than a Model S. I believe their NVH attempts worked wonders. This car is peaceful to sit in.
Thank you so much Asimo!
Which Model S? The Frameless windows are a bit louder than the framed ones. It's no reason why you need to compare it to a Model S. Kinda like comparing a Ferrari to a Hyundai Elantra in terms of quietness. lol
@@KyleHubb agreed. why everyone attempts to throw shade at TESLA, I have no idea. What does quieter mean anyway? What was he measuring it with? How windy was it during both tests? What’s it humid or dry? Was it on the same road?
And so much better suspension than the mY
It doesn’t take much to be quieter than a Tesla. The Tesla windows are a wind noise nightmare.
Plus the heat pump is really loud. My model 3 is my noisiest vehicle when it’s stopped that I own. The heat pump is louder than an idling internal combustion engine.
Looking back to 14 months ago. It was only Sandy ripping apart the model 3, with all his quirky humor & bitching. Now I’m hooked line & sinker deep listening to serious impact analysis & wheel kinematics. THANK YOU crews of Munro Live🙏
I do wonder how much of the company growth was initiated by the Tesla 3 tear down. The exposure from that.
@@neilm9400 I think alit of these guys have been out back the whole time.
I love the use of terminology in these videos - "A-surface" - "rub scenario" - "mass dampers" - "perimeter cradle" - "NVH" - "pencil brace" - and so on. Makes me wish I were doing vehicle engineering these days.
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I don't see how a "rub scenario" is a negative thing.
Absolutely love this content. Solid engineers talking solid principles. Could do this all day long. With a eng and manufacturing background and a passion for cars, this is great stuff.
Thanks Dave!
I'm totally into EVs. But I'm not a car guy or mechanic or engineer otherwise.
I'm learning so much from your channel. You don't 'dumb it down' for me and you aren't too technical.
Love the channel!
I also learn a lot from the comments. Thank you everyone.
unbelievable - I really really enjoy these insights - thanks Munro and associates !
The best EV channel on TH-cam ! Thanks Munro family😎
Its obvious that Munro has a lot of depth in the staffing.
Well done.
These young guys bring so much knowledge / insight .... truly impressive !
Love the highly detailed content. Don’t dumb it down guys. This is unique. Keep Talking like engineers. It’s appreciated.
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Great episode. These videos aren't just a great service to those of us that just love having the knowledge about these vehicles, but these videos are truly valuable to the auto manufacturers if they are paying attention.
Glad you like them!
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Thank you for the content.
Major vehicle manufacturers have this knowledge either inhouse in their product development and costing teams or with their suppliers or - ideally - with both of these groups. In the end, they had to design, simulate, produce and test the constructions in the first place. They also have the competitors' products right there. I do not think the short Munro videos will bring much benefit to them. The audience of TH-cam videos is rather common TH-cam bingewatching people, not industry people. If industry people really appreciate Munro&Associates' work, they will buy the extensive (and expensive) reports, which have way more details than the few rather non-technical sentences in the videos. And if industry wants to review an Ioniq 5 - they will just buy one with the options of their choice, tear it down, look at their parts and software modules of interest and come to their own conclusions.
@@koeniglicher interesting pov but kind of shows why Tesla is eating everyone’s lunch… cause guess who DOES watch Munro TH-cam content… Elon himself has commented about the show.. Tesla engineers pay attention to content and have made changes based on what they’ve seen here.
Hyundai/Kia have been making consistent improvements to their vehicles for many years, and I'm very glad to see them continue to do so in the EV segment.
Fascinating insights into the underbody design details. Crisp, articulate and informative presentation by all three of you!
That's if you dont know what they're talking about. They havent explained that if you stick to Tesla model, if any intergrated piece breaks your have to go back to dealer and they're good a ripping you off and keeping your car for months. Good luck with that. I'd rather buy a $23 12v pump and replace it myself instead of paying $1600 for intergrated unit.
Another high impact, top shelf piece of content. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@MunroLive You are awesome Cory, Jordan and Kevin!
@@MunroLive Some interesting space at the rear of the battery pack , could that be for a lager standard battery ? if not, an after market piggy back add-on battery could be an option.....
Congratulations on your company growth! That is amazing and I'm extremely happy for you all. 🙌
Thank you so much!!
Thank you for your really insightful videos that give the average consumers around the world (I'm in Australia) a view into the engineering, technology and manufacturing of EVs at a plain English level. Your videos helped me shift my views from ICEs to EVs and I put my order in for Sandy's favourite EV manufacturer.
Incredible videos! I absolutely love hearing the detail you guys go through. That's the type of detail I strive for. Thank you for all you do and keep them coming! I am learning so much about how car manufacturers think and design. Well at least some of it.
Thanks Corey
I'm almost ready to write my exam boys! Another great tutorial thanks. I never thought I'd be into seeing how my vehicle is actually designed. You guys make my driving experience more technical now!
Jordan and Kevin are fantastic presenters and I hope we see them more.
Hey Munro & Associates, I'm not by any means intending this in a derogatory way but as someone who will be welcoming a daughter into the world soon, and also have several nieces, I hope your team will try in the future to welcome more women engineers to your organization! It'd be really cool (and inspiring) to see a female host on Monroe Live. I feel a duty to talk about this because in car culture in general there's still this overwhelming notion (and reality) that most of us are men, yet I know plenty of women who are gearheads! We've just got to welcome them into our "world" so to speak. And since y'all are talking about hiring, I figured this would be a perfect time to mention this. Keep up the good work boys, y'all have one of the coolest channels on TH-cam right now.
I expect the culture at Munro is based purely on merit.
(I imagine Sandy's wife may have an opinion on that, being an engineer?...... If memory serves)
Honestly, they probably just don’t get a lot of female applicants. Engineering is still very male dominated, so majority of applicants that are skilled enough for the job are likely male. I think in this instance, you can’t just be a “gear head” to get the job. Probably looking for engineering degrees with multiple years experience as they are a consulting and design firm. I think in 10 years or so when there’s a higher percentage of experienced women for what they are looking for, you’ll see more women working there. Just my opinion though. They probably have women working there that just aren’t on camera.
They had a female Ford engineer on the channel a few months ago. She was great. Granted, she doesn’t work there, but it’s something
@@rogerstarkey5390 I actually had no idea Sandy's wife was an engineer herself!
@@lemongavine I remember that. You're talking about the new head of mach-e development correct?
Yep as an enthusiastic laymen, I appreciate the offensive strategy w crash management with full frontal and full width engagement. Better than adding so much weight into the cabin for defensive management. Also coming soon is side impact 2.0 (been following this years now) you’re going to see manufacturers going back to the drawing board for side structures. However with EVs they tend to have beefy floor sills so they’ll have a huge head start.
Finally, some serious stuff on TH-cam. Thank you guys.
Really articulate, boys. Thanks for your clarity.
Three Experts doing an amazing job... Thanks!
Excited that you covered this vehicle. Can someone clarify, is he saying that the build is good quality at 4:15-4:33? I got lost with their conclusion
Also, as a retired electrical engineer specializing in power systems design and development, I wish I were 30 years younger. At least I have a Bolt!
So you like the "Rats Nest" "Spaghetti" of Orange wires and connectors all over on the Bolt?
@@shazam6274 electrical engineers back then liked to show their work.
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@@shazam6274 The Bolt is a blast to drive - got me in to EVs. It's also compact with a hatch - teslas might be effing symphonies, but orchestras are big.
Awesome video. Great to see that one of the best looking vehicles out there is also well engineered underneath. And what a dramatic improvement over the previous generation of Kia/Hyundai EVs! Seeing vehicles like this and the Mach E really underscores what a dramatic shift it is to build real Ground Up EVs. The companies muddling about trying to build heavily compromised "platform agnostic" vehicles are just falling further behind the curve. At some point "know how" turns into "dont know how" if they arent putting real world EVs through their paces and learning from them.
I am consuming every bit of Ioniq 5 content I can, super excited to purchase a 2023 model as my first EV. Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to more Ioniq 5 content!
Some TH-camrs do phone reviews from inside. You guys do car's! How awesome is that?
Thanks for all the hard work you put in those videos, you are shaping the customer's opinion!
Munro Engineers are simply the best!
Thanks fred993a
I'm sure the Tesla engineers say "hi!"..... 😉
Jordan knocked it out of the park. Great video!
Nice analysis of engineering.
You guys comment on the bracket holding the LV pump to be single use then comment the PS motor isn't protected. That's what the bracket serves as well. And it's shrouded underneath.
Maintainability is not something you folks seem to focus on. Heavily integrated and buried systems can compromise the warranty costs for the manufacturer. I wish these "analysis" videos looked at the whole life cycle of the product and not just getting it out the door for cheap.
Also, you really don't need to keep mentioning Tesla. That really puts your perspectives into a box. Not something I'd look for in a consulting firm.
Perhaps you could remove box off your view , benchmarking against the best is what is done here
@@chriauc2976 huh? Ill give you credit if English isn't your first language.
Cory, etc, could use language like "we think this could be consolidated into one unit" and not "well Tesla does it like this...". That thinking puts you in a box and shuts off any benefits or possibility of listening to something different.
Look at how they critique and interior buttons because "Tesla puts it on a screen". Buttons have purpose and are good man to machine interfaces of used correctly.
Saying something is "best" is subjective opinion if no facts are sought and learned.
If Kevin is going to be a regular on-camera element in your vids, you're gonna' need a higher hoist! { or give him a hard-hat ] ;-)>
Haha. I couldn’t figure if Kevin is really tall or Jordan is short. Either way, they both did a great job.
You can never go wrong with a taller lift, Kevin would probably appreciate it, and you can get some better camera angles.
@@Wasabi9111 Pretty sure he's tall: Corey was "in-between" heights and has stated that "I'm a big guy"
Most importantly, though, MAN, do they know their stuff!
🤗 THANKS CORY ,JORDAN ,AND KEVIN FOR YOUR INPUT AND EDUCATING US 🧐😍😍😍
I like the expert analyses by your team! Sandy doesn't need to be there for all of the detail. His first impressions and a rap up is good or any major points.
once, i had this handy.
A notably articulate flow of detailed information. Bright and knowledgeable stuff.
The Inonuq5 is just mindblowing,gamechanging and revolutionary
Great work. Cant wait for the Plaid videos!
14:08 When I did a short gig at LLNL (way back in 1984), I was surrounded by VERY smart people who talked like this. Sorta brings tears to my eyes.
We still exist in the UK energy sector. Sadly deeply hidden within private entities.
Regarding the gap at the side of the battery pack,. The car is built on the Hyundai E-GMP platform which is meant to be used on a variety of vehicles. The Ioniq 5 is a little wider, thus a gap. A future car may be narrower without a gap at the side of the battery pack. The ability to use E-GMP platform across a range of future vehicles would still be advantageous.
It was not long ago that Hyundai/Kia were an also-ran in automotive engineering. This Iconiq 5 is a very savvy demonstration of engineering approaching or equaling world class. Kia have shown an excellent balance between safety, manufacturability and control of NVH for comfort. The use of mass dampers is somewhat of a, “fix,” but here their use is judicious. I have seen added mass on BMWs that is almost a transition from, “fix,” to, “kludge.” Over all, Kia’s engineering makes sense for getting the car to production while controlling up front and running costs. Well done.
Great informative video, thanks.
That SMC (unsaturated polyester) "shield" for the high voltage battery pack sure looks vulnerable to impact damage from debris on the road. Shouldn't Hyundai/Kia/Genesis use more substantial material to help prevent impact damage to the battery pack assembly including the battery cooling system?
This is a great video to come after the tear down of the Model S plaid...you can see the differences and why it matters. Hyundai has made a good start but they can do more and while their customers will never see the changes, they will appreciate it more through the increased efficiencies and cost reduction they make to improve cost, ride, handling and of course noise. Great job guys, always a pleasure.
...you have to remember, this car is one third the price of a Model S, so it is going to be more typical of more moderately priced vehicles.
It's still Busking, rather than (quoting Jordan) a "symphony".
@@rogerstarkey5390 It's still better than everything outside Tesla and a few Chinese companies.
4:10 OMG I would have never in a million years stumbled on a random piece of slag metal (in a nice disc shape with a nice coating I guess) and guessed that it was just extra mass because of a negative harmonic found late in the design process. Loving the details from professional vehicle designer/engineers.
16:50 I wonder if the RWD (w/300 miles yeah!) I anticipate getting will get all the same mass dampening bits as the ultimate AWDs that everyone is reviewing. Because everyone is super impressed with the low noise level, but they only have the ultimate AWD to test.
Love the knowledgeable detail!!
Glad to hear it!
5:20 while I understand from a construction standpoint having things like your coolant pump integrated makes sense but think about the extra cost of having it replaced. Sometimes having things less integrated while the more expensive it does give the user a better experience over the lifetime of the vehicle. You see this a lot with Tesla vehicles having extremely high repair costs and its affected their brand image significantly. I love watching Munro as a person who used to work in the automotive manufacturing industry but I feel like you focus so much on integration you miss some of the other important details from a consumer perspective.
With EVs being many times more reliable than ICE products in general, the most common reason such parts get replaced is due to an accident. If the vehicle is not scrapped altogether during a collision then that cost is handled by the insurance provider.
Teslas are known for easily passing 500k miles of range without issues for that reason, as integration does often help with long-term reliability, but then you have cases where some collision or impact throws a wrench into the mix, especially when considering cosmetics and such.
Munro focus is on cost, efficiency, and assembly. They don't care about repairs. It is against their moto. Their stance is don't build stuff to break. This is why engineer and mechanics are always at odds. Mechanics have to deal with reality, while engineers stand on theory. It'd be nice if stuff don't break like they designed, but in the entire history of the world nothing last, everything breaks. If you ever work as a repair guy, the most often thing you ask is why the hell did they made it like that? You'll swear they design it to make your life harder HAHAHA
@@Tien1million
... to make your life harder ... OR ... to keep mechanics in business?
@@Tien1million See, personally I believe the most profitable choice is to make things that are repairable because you'll sell more vehicle and you'll sell more parts because the cars will be on the road longer.
@@AllanSustainabilityFan There's a man named Rich Rebuilds who might argue with you on a couple of those points.
Really enjoyed watching you guys do your thing! Hyundai are up there with their EVs.
They need to make more of them.
Thanks for the video. Seems like you guys are mostly positive about the car.
I LOVE these detailed reviews... please continue !
Hey Munro editors, check your bitrate settings. Even in 4K, I can see quite terrible compression artifacts. Could be TH-cam, but I think I've seen better picture quality in other videos. Great video though!
I've never seen anything like what you do. Amazing work, thank you. One vote for Ionic 5 teardown soonest!
awesome video, love all the precise lingo, thanks Munro!
Love the details and completeness of your reviews even if I don't always agree.
12:00 Additional hypothesis for the space between pack and frame: this pack is a common part of the platform, but chassis size can vary; i.e., they can make another narrower car than the Ioniq5 with this same pack design. (Ultracompact with 77kwhr & 400 miles & instant tire shred? That would be sweet, but probably just with the 58kwhr package.)
Great Team at Munro Associates. Very good evaluation team for the Ioniq 5. Sometimes Sandy needs😁 a break.
BRILLIANT VIDEO! SO MUCH GREAT INFORMATION! Thanks guys, how I wish I had my time over again as I’d jump on a plane and come work with you!
I'm surprised that you guys give away so much information for free. I'm getting quite the education (despite having little use for it, that I know of.)
I'm really enjoying and appreciating your walkthroughs as I wait for our Ioniq 5 to arrive.
Living in Canada and needing to drive through some substantial snow and ice: I wonder if anyone has a skid plate solution for this car?
They removed the under panels for the vid.
The Great three. Please keep it like this.
Thanks for all the detailed insights, always very informative!
Do you confirm that Aerodynamic drag is proportional to V squared, but power needed for a certain speed is proportional to V cubed, right?
finally better analysis on recent videos, not the usual bashing that doesn't include a lot of design considerations. im back as a sub
What I would like to see is what the bottom of the car looks like before you remove the protective covers. Seeing how smooth the manufacturer can make that part of the car gives you an idea of its aerodynamic efficiency. With this particular car, it appears a lot of expensive parts are very low to the ground. How well do you think the cover will be at protecting these expensive parts?
Thanks for a great video, the more you know about which ever car you own, the better off you are.
re: "What I would like to see is what the bottom of the car looks like before you remove the protective covers" honestly there's surprisingly LITTLE to see, it's just flat/featureless. i have pictures on my phone and they're rather disappointing. in contrast, what the boys are doing up on the lift (with covers removed) is GREAT and quite the revelation how much EXTRA is going on and how it would likely impact aero without these shrouds in place. it's like a "poor mans" Lemans LMP-1 car.
Great job !!!!!
Great video!! 👏👏👏 I would have liked to see the underbody shield, which you removed before recording the video, so it would be great if in other vehicles, next time, you could show it for a moment before removing it 😉😉👍👍
Great information, and without rudeness! I may start following again.
Thanks ! mystery solved about the flip on the fan tray.
So they put the strong cross member as low as possible. So the car will perform well in the small overlap crash test but will still fail in real small overlap crashes as most of the structure of the other car will be above that thin steel member...
Another top drawer video. I like to think that Sandy and Co. are helping to keep the OEMs a little more honest, A half-assed product is going to be called as such and props go to the product that was thought out. Keep on Sending them.
The Mach E redesign being a prime example.
(Is It possible that Munro and Associates my have saved Ford?)
@@rogerstarkey5390 I think Ford is definitely listening. They are already redoing the cooling system. I think it’s awesome and I’m sure there are a lot of people watch this channel and rooting Ford on.
From a repairing standpoint it is fatal to integrate a mount in the motor casting. These getting worn out quite often. You will need to lower the cradle and special tools to pry it out/in.
re: "From a repairing standpoint it is fatal to integrate a mount in the motor casting." bingo because: MODULARITY, because: SERVICEABILITY, because: WARRANTY FULFILLMENT.
Now the question remains: An engine makes way more movement than an electric motor. Maybe they won't wear out that much with the electric motor. I don't know, I'm just guessing.
@@Tom-ku8bu an electric motor is generally only trying to tear itself apart along one axis so maybe that can be controlled for better than an ICE engine that is trying to tear itself apart in a dozen different axies which only gets worse as various components wear or slip out of alignment. Also, having only two motor mounts in a hinge orientation perpendictular to the direction of the force of the motor is likely dramatically more stable than a series of essentially ball joint posts at the corners.
@@patreekotime4578 @Tom If it has to be serviced - and one day it has to be without a doubt - it's suboptimal.
Apart from that, this mount is one of two torque arms, which already indicate high forces. Also electric motors create far greater instant torque and the direction is changing more often because of recuperation. This makes the mount experience more stress than on ICE vehicles.
Maybe the advantage of separate pumps and not the integration into one component like Tesla is the ability to replace what’s broken and not throw away more than what is needed. Maybe it’s a “greener” approach.
Sandy would have said _"lot of NVH doodads"_ 😂
haha! you are correct.
Extremely well designed vehicle.
Hugely enjoy these videos showing what's underneath new EVs. This gives us insight into how different design teams are handling the new packaging realities that EVs require. It looks like many teams are struggling with getting everything efficiently packaged for manufacturing simplification and cost reductions. Of course, the amount of time a team has to address all these issues is another factor in how well integrated the design is. Since these designs will have five year lifetimes this will become important to profitability in future years. Thanks Munro Team for these insightful videos of what's underneath!
When looking at the rear suspension, you mentioned costs and compatibility, but don't most manufacturers build to put items on as many different vehicles as possible? Can't some of these choices that Hyundai made, reflect the piece's us across platforms? If I were involved in making cars, I would certainly try to leverage costs by making parts that fit many models, not just one type of unit.
I imagine those pieces are specific to the IONIQ 'for now', they're built to have a rear sub frame due to the car having a rear motor, without one I don't think you'd need as much structure back there. It's possible these parts could be shared for a future EV model though!
@@VoxelLoop The pieces are also certainly common to the Kia EV6.
Ioniq 5 is either RWD or AWD, so that rear structure will always be the same/needed.
@@VoxelLoop Ioniq is its own platform. You're right. The parts are made to fit on the Ioniq 3 through 9. The other cars are to follow. Ioniq 6 comes out this year and others will follow very soon. The parts also fit on the Kias and Genesis models.
Yea the whole Ioniq E-GMP setup is was designed to have as many pieces as possible go to each of their upcoming models I remember one interview said a while back. Makes sense, the more common you can make a piece the easier to produce and quicker to assemble.
Great video guys. You point out differences/changes in this video but sometimes you don’t mention whether it is good or bad thing. Can you point this out in future videos.
Yes, good video but this is exactly what I miss when Sandy isn't involved. Sandy doesn't mince words.
The discussion of the old Kona and Niro platforms just barely getting by their crash evaluations is the bad thing for those models. Having a much better for crash worthiness front end design on the Ioniq 5 is a good thing for that model. They have to walk a fine line here as an important part of their business is selling reports on new vehicles to other OEMs, who have a tendency to not buy anything from you if you show their mistakes to everyone.
I wish you had covered the lift points. Very important factor for all owners.
Good job.... I really like seeing a car through the eyes of engineers. 👁️
Lot of oems have issue with electric nvh in the mid range frequencies
Interesting detail on the mass dampeners. There are some people in Europe who experience vibrations in the car body at some speeds. Mine seems fine, so there might be some variation between cars.
Often also car manufacturers forgo to cater for places with harder pavement (bigger stone size because of freezing conditions or the use of studs) or unpaved roads. Take a German car to a typical German paved road and your interior noise is of no issue - take the same car on a road in a nordic country just after a winter and you'll feel like you are suddenly driving on an unpaved road :D
Many places in Europe still have cobble stone roadways.
My 1978 VW Rabbit had the same flap on the radiator shroud. It was a big rubber flap and we called it the mud flap.
When are more videos coming about the Ioniq 5?
Great job, guys!
Very nice review. I like the expertise you have at the group to discuss the analysis.
Thanks Robert
I too was surprised to see forged aluminum on a rear LCA / spring support. Most common are cast aluminum or stamped steel, with light cars like Malibu and the smaller Ford Bronco using the extruded aluminum, called ExtruForm from Raufoss. I was also surprised to see the extruded bracket welded to the rear of the pack, yet maybe this shape is already used on the pack, and was convenient.
Best part of the video for me was the Soprano’s kids selling the new Chevy EV Silverado ad!
Im so glad you guys talk metric..., like the rest of the world
first thanks for the great video. many people like me love your channel. it is our window to the future in automotive. so thanks so much. wow a lot of interesting things going on in that car.
Having bolt on mounts is much better than Integrated mounts. If your mount breaks, you are replacing the entire drive unit. If the bushings go bad it's much more difficult to change them, especially if they are hot bonded to the casting..at that point you need to cut or burn it out, hone it, and press a sleeved bushing in. With bolt on units, you just pop in new mounts and you're done.
Great details! That rear suspension was interesting. Makes me wonder what kind of forces the electric motor causes that have to be braced like that.
The torque is awesome. I have the 160kW RWD and it's not so much the time to 60mph that impresses me so much as the initial acceleration from a standing start.
No mention of the rear driveshafts and their integrated hubs???
Q: No mention of the rear driveshafts and their integrated hubs??? A: only heard about those being fitted to the EV6, but it makes sense that they should be found on the IO5.
I could multiply my brain x3 and it still wouldn’t be as smart as this Jordan dude
13:15 - "something we don't typically see is a forged aluminum lower link here..." fwiw Cory, those may have been changed to aluminum for final production. there were a few press vehicles/pre-production vehicles running around last year where those rear lower control arms are in fact a giant piece of stamped/formed steel like the rest of the suspension arms. it's possible to save cost the single motor RWD versions DO get a steel piece (or overseas versions) whereas the "high dollar" AWD versions destined for 'Murica get the aluminum forging. because: FANCY.
Because people are always looking under their car to determine manufacturing processes.
Excellent! Thanks.
Another great video, the Munro style of communication is really engaging. You could teach some very large companies how to reach a larger audience. Fascinating.
Sadly, many professionals prefer to use unnecessarily complicated language to maintain an aura of elitism and superiority... for example, lawyers and doctors.
Thanks Charles
Hi guy, you able to put up on the hoist a Kia EV6 2022 model, similar skateboard but may have improved some of the fixtures.
Wow these guy are learned!
Interesting, defo insightful underbody coverage, thnx
What does Kevin think about the leg room in this
The specs say driver leg room 41.7 inches
I have set my minimum for a purchase at 44 inches...???
I hope soon you'll obtain a Kia EV6 to tear down. We looked and drove one; liked it so much that (when its possible) we plan on ordering one.
We will be reviewing one soon!