Looks like the Koreans understand the advantage of serviceability more than these guys. Intergration just makes replacing faulty components so much more expensive....and profitable for the manufacturers. The trouble with Munro they can't see the forest for the trees.
@@bitsorbytes You don't have to remove the frunk to change to the filter though ;) there's an opening inside the frunk. Hyundai is known for serviceability.
@@bitsorbytes Not only is there a pop-out panel in the frunk to make it easy and tool-less, but what's more: the frunk is SO easy to remove! This blew me away: there's a light in the center-front to show you what's in there while you rummage. It would have been pretty easy to unplug by just pulling out the bolts, lifting the front a bit, and feeling around. But they were so thoughtful they added a whole extra connector on the far-right, so you can unplug the connector visually before you even undo the bolts. JUST to avoid someone not noticing the light and ripping off the harness.
@@bitsorbytes they say once every year or 15k miles. For how easy and cheap it is, I’ll probably go with something like half that. Maybe once during fire season too.
I actually do not dislike the packaging under the hood except for the atrocious 12V battery. Cars and their parts still break down I love how accessible they are in this car rather than have them hyper packaged like in a Tesla making serviceability much more complex and thus expensive. In fact there is no study showing that one is more reliable than the other, especially in Tesla's model S case some parts are notoriously more prone to failure. Would be nice if Munro also addresses this and see what changed to improve this.
Wonderful topic coverage, Would love for an on-screen graphic or two defining acronyms and/or initials used in the voice track. Thank you for your work to make adaptable/leaner designs and products.
Now that they’ve got much space in the absence of engine they’ve neatly put everything on sight and easily accessible. Korean and Japanese don’t really care about frunk as much as the easily accessible technical parts fact!
Removing the frunk on a Tesla is fairly simple. I’d rather have a nice frunk, even if I need to spend an extra ten minutes removing it in the unlikely event that I might need to get to those components.
@@lemongavine My point was not the frunk, this one has it although very shallow but the engineering behind those part’s positioning is evident, an engineer can understand what i’m saying! they’ve modeled everything for wrenching and changing if it’s necessary it’s a Japanese/Korean philosophy! Germans don’t do that because of the pride that they have in their products! I guess Tesla is closer the European philosophy.
Cory and Jordan - super appreciate the in-depth and objective view on Ioniq's 5 hood or under the hood :) It would be interesting to consider an objective look at ID.4 and comparison to Ioniq 5. Since both are representing the innovation by "traditional" manufacturers, and both of these cars have a very similar target audience of drivers... Thank you and keep up the good work!
wow great review of this car. a lot of interesting things going on there. keep in mind EVERYONE NOT EVERY CAR / TRUCK IS A TESLA. ( I HAVE MY OWN OPIION ABOUT THAT COMPANY) I did learn a lot from this. thank you so much..
I Guarantee owners of this EV will pour windshield washer fluid into the coolant tank with the blue fluid. Having the washer fluid tank next to the coolant tanks is an invitation for bad things, expensive things...
I think videos where you clearly compare parts to that of other car makers would be interesting and great for the viewers. Honestly would also bring in a wider audience. The kind of audience that don't already know a great deal about car manufacturing
Really enjoyed your review, I was hoping to get a close look under the hood. EVs are evolving quickly, getting better all the time. I can hardly wait to test drive the Ioniq 5.
Awesome video. Both of you are starting to insert some opinion that sas prev sandys skill. This opinion and your accuracy is what makes the content next level.
As a lay person who is very curious about EVs and is struggling to find the information that will help me in my decisions related to which EV I should consider, I find these videos lacking in a take home message. By this I mean there is never a concise summary that encapsulates what you have seen. I appreciate your videos as I have watched far too many that have discussed things that are not important to me (e.g., appearance and styling). Just food for thought...thanks.
Wow , very informative and well done . Thanks Guys . If I had the know how I would love to work for Munro And Associates , the future for Evs is looking very bright indeed .
TESLA take note of the ease of CABIN FILTER REPLACENENT, there is no reason to have to go to a service center to replace this filter. That said as good as this Hyundai is there is lots of room for improvement. CHEERS Steve h.
Possibly flexibility to produce multiple models without having to design a new model-specific valve assembly for each one. They don't have to "copy" anything - valve manifolds are a long-established design model. The valve body of any conventional automatic transmission is the same idea.
Octovalve is cheap for the manufacturer NOT good for the user/customer/buyer. I much prefer the build quality of hyundai instead of the octovalve. BTW, once the octovalve goes you are screwed on multiple functions and your car is FUBAR till it's fixed.
Does Tesla has a patent on the octovalve? Or Kia tried something different and potentially more efficient? They have used 2 different fluids (pink and blue) because they have different thermal characteristics. Is hard to judge not knowing what the engineering constraints they had. I'm sure over time will learn more details.
@@adrianhorja5336 No, there's nothing patentable about Tesla's valve assembly, although they may have filed a patent anyway... some manufacturers puke out every drawing they have into a patent application. It's just a bunch of valves mounted in a manifold.
Except when Cory shows the frunk details and didn't wait for the cameraman to arrive before leaving. I've seen that in many videos, lacking story-boarding.
Nothing covered in this video would be different in a prèss car vs a normal car. Press car improvements tend to be things like paint quality, panel gaps, and weld quality. The design aspects covered here wouldn't change.
@@ogjk I would keep the stuff there that always rides in the back of the car - tire air pump, tools, whatever. It's small, but that's different from "no frunk". And if that trunk were eliminated no battery capacity would be added - the battery isn't under the hood.
Munro continues to show the world why Tesla is the best out there. Although other OEM’s have more luxury materials or better fit & finish, it’s what’s underneath that really counts.
I agree. Improving fit and finish (paint quality, panel gaps, etc.) is a relatively easy thing to do. Changing the culture of an organization to focus on shared design across engineering teams is more difficult.
@@lionelhuts875 The fit in finish claims are 100% nonsense. There are likely more issues with legacy auto. You can see fit and finish issues all over the lot and that means they are issues dealers ignore because they don't hinder sales. Legacy auto has always had poor fit and finish, they send special review cars to reviewers. Every fit and finish review from any reviewer that did not buy or borrow a normal consumer model is fraudulent. I say fraudulent because the reviewers know they are getting special review versions, but then go on to review them like normal consumer models for the clicks.
@@_PatrickO I was behind a Model Y yesterday in traffic and I could see a horrible misalignment where the hatch meets the roof line. And I say this as a Tesla fanboy. Some of the claims are legit.
@@lionelhuts875 You are the only fanboy here because you refuse to admit cars from all brands have similar issues. Walk any lot for any other brand, it is a sea of misalignments. Grow up for a change. My first car in the 00s had me walking lots and so many vehicles had panel gaps. GM stood out by far above all the rest. So many gaps that were wider on one side than the other. I actually thought I was losing my mind because no one else was even mentioning them. It turns out they are so common, no one cared. This resurgence off "caring" about it with teslas that have so far not even been as bad as what GM dealers have had is laughable. Meanwhile legacy auto sends reviewers handbuilt versions that have none of the gaps production cars have. Pure review fraud. I drive a chevy volt, so good luck on your fake fanboy claims.
As someone who has worked on cars for nearly 20 years, many of them older, I appreciate that Hyundai has not gone the Tesla route of integrating several components into one box. Serviceability is a significant factor that seems to be increasingly getting ignored, but it is critical for keeping cars on the road as they get older. The more components that you integrate into one service part, the more expensive that part gets. People may be willing to spend $2000 on a box in order to keep their 3 or 4 year old car on the road, but they probably are not going to be willing to when that car is 8-10+ years old. Those cars end up in junk yards. Being able to service components affordably is super important. I would much rather have a more serviceable vehicle and sacrifice some of the grossly over-rated frunk space.
I'd that "one service Mary" is made in huge numbers, making it cheap, is interchangeable between models, and easy to remove due to lack of plumbing, I'd say it would save money when it comes to keeping cars "on the road". Not to mention, no guesswork faultfinding, fitting the wrong part and having to find another component.
what about the argument of, less parts -> less chance of something breaking down -> lower chance of needing service in the first place (therefore, last longer too)?
(I own both a tesla and an one of these, I appreciate my window regulators working, having a volume knob, working wipers and defroster I can find WAY more than having a “frunk or an octo-valve” not even to mention the superior, Hyundai service, and range.
Explaining the evolution of design changes over the years is BRILLIANT! If you could use old footage or part comparisons like you have done with the Tesla Plaid, then your videos have a higher value to us viewers. Speed of innovation is now part of buying experience...
I think the Hyundai is a press loaner so they don't have permission to take the guts apart. On the other hand, VW and Ford *wanted* Munro to take their vehicles apart to give there honest thoughts.
Please let Jordan off the hook and give him an episode of his own. I think he is a natural and could easily fill an entire Video with his knowledge, and to me at least it seems that he is somewhat being held back by Kory & Sandy. But as usual it was a great and interesting Video, Thanks for sharing your insight with us!
Each one of the crew has so much to offer in background and knowledge that they are always sharing a limited time with every subject but I think your point is valid. Cory is such a wealth of technical understanding and has such a digestible way of explaining what he’s seeing that I always come away with more insight into what I’ve just watched, and always a little dazzled by his knowledge. I would like to see Jordan do one of his own and just dive in headfirst. It’s obvious he has a great deal to offer. This is a fantastic channel and such a great learning platform.
Cory sounds more and more confident hosting videos. I think taking the Plaid to the track helped him shaking off those nerves. I like his methodical style but sometimes I miss Sandy's raw coughing, and unpolished cowboy when speaking the truth. These videos might be extremely valuable for any potential buyer of an EV.
Yes. Toyota and Honda make their cabin air filters easy to replace, but you have to realize that the Model 3 has 2 of them just like Mercedes and they put the filters wherever they can. Not saying Teslas couldn’t do it but also because they probably don’t want you to messing around with the car to do it yourself if you’re not mechanically inclined.
@@princesses2909 Tesla does give you detailed instructions how to do it yourself, it's just a bit annoying to do. Doing that every 2 years... I suppose I can live with that.
The Ioniq 5 has two different coolants. They have a Low Conductivity fluid which I think is used for the HV battery and a Standard for all other systems. I would like more technical info on this. I don’t think any other EV has this difference. The Low Conductivity is to be changed every 40,000 miles or 36 months, and I understand it is very expensive.
@@miguellopes6669 Well, Tesla also doesn't have an 800V system and could have calculated the risks differently. If it's also expensive and has to be changed regularly, it does make sense to have a limited amount of it, i.e. a separate system. I don't know what the rate of leaking coolant into batteries is in these types of systems, but for every million vehicles, you probably end up with some leaky ones, at least in accidents.
Thank you Cory and Jordan. I have a Hyundai with the cabin filter under the dashboard. It is a diabolically hard thing to access. Moving that to the location in this car is a *really* positive step. As ICE cars tend to have some part of the engine in that location, such a simple move is usually impossible. Moving that item to this new location is a real world benefit that should not be undervalued.
Many cars have it in the glovebox which is not as convenient but completely fine to service. Although i really like to see EVs using larger, more capable filters due to having more space available.
@@drkastenbrot I have to remove the entire glovebox to access mine. It is still decidedly hard to access the unit the filter is in. There is a leaf causing a buzz in it now, and I am loath to go through the torture to clean it out. 😞
@@dogbreath6974 usually more often than owners can be bothered with when they're hidden away like many are... I must admit that I didn't change the cabin air filter many times on my last ICE car (2009 Ford Mondeo), mostly due to it being so hard to access. I've changed the filter more times during the three years I've had the Tesla Model S (old, small filter - the newer ones may be a bit more fiddly) than I did during nine years owning the Mondeo (ok, so the first few years I let the local dealer do it during yearly service...)
Having more than one system, what were those lazy incompetnt Hyundai engineers thinking? I can't think of ever needing the car to have the ability to continue to be drivable if the aircon system fails, this too is the reason why I only get on planes that have only one hydraulic system for flight controls.
So a car designed for mass deployment, ease of access and repairability. It also doesn't look like an amorphous blob. Electric cars are now grand. The good ones are all fine. So it comes down to smaller things like being a fresh design update, or what suits you or can it be easily serviced with a loaner available.
Very nice breakdown. I do find myself disagreeing about the serviceable fuses. Fuses goes from time to time. Long term, the owner wants to be able to replace those fuses and even the 12v battery. Not everyone wants go to the dealer which can be expensive.
Yup, I honestly don't like Tesla's model where they try to detect overloads in software and expose the (very expensive) front control board to potential over-currents. This chap has a very good video on the Tesla low-voltage circuitry, but as a designer, I cringe a bit at the assumptions they make... See: th-cam.com/video/fUCgLCbX_18/w-d-xo.html
Getting better and better. Cory relaxed. Jordan is so clear and concise it's amazing. No wasted "ums' and "ahs". He totally understands the engineering and is comfortable in his skin. I love Sandy, but sometimes I just want simple clear explanations without all the other stuff.
Hyundai and Kia have a lot of potential to reduce the numbers of hoses and their lengths. This reminded me of the Mach-E thermal management hosing madness... It seems like there's potential opportunity to make some changes for the components along with their wiring and hoses to be moved around and/or combined. Once they deal with those wiring and hoses, hopefully they'll come out with a nicely polished front trunk cargo space and possibly some weight reduction. Small things can turn into a big deal when everything adds up.
Sure, but what if it is cheaper to produce it this way than a Tesla? Should they go more complex with something like an octivalve system, just to be like Tesla?
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 - Tesla is way cheaper to produce, and savings in materials cost, weight Penalty, and efficiency Loss. no one on EARTH can Engineer like Tesla can , the model 3/Y were design by SpaceX. the Octovalve & Super Manifold was SpaceX.
Go back and watch that Mach E video. I think you might find that this is a MUCH more compact assembly despite also being two coolant runs. The Mach E was also using loads of generic hoses and connectors which limits how tight of a bend they can go through which negatively impacts the orientation, parts lengths, and manufacturing assembly. These vehicle-specific hoses may be slightly more expensive up-front cost but should be faster to assemble and allow for better packaging.
I agree with others that it looked better than Ford but not up to Tesla. The great thing to know is this vehicle already has great range, so relatively simple packaging improvements should improve efficiency even more. I think Hyundai/Kia will be a real force in the future of EVs. Their purchase of Boston Dynamics was no coincidence either. They are shooting for autonomy asap.
@@Wankidy but these are new ground up ev designs. I think it’s inexcusable. I’m curious to find out what’s under these long hoods. At least w the id4 and Ioniq, they have short hoods, so it’s some what justified.
re: "What I don’t get is why EVs with long hood don’t have a frunk, eg lyriq, eqs, iX, etc." no worries, they're NOT Porsches. want an original frunk...? buy a 911 (which is the "cache"/USP everybody's looking to imitate).
What I see is engineering time spent in making the system easier to work on. I feel that Sandy goes a bit too extreme on the manufacturing cost as the be all and end all. For instance I think the molded hoses with proprietary ends is crazy. It means with any leak you have to go to the manufacturer to get that hose. What if you are in a part of the country without a dealer? An ICE car you can generally go to any parts store and get a hose. I probably have enough bulk hose in my garage to fix most ICE cars for a lifetime.
That style of hose is commonly seen on many ICE vehicles as well. A lot of European cars and Fords use them. Likely less problematic in an EV due to the lower coolant temperature not cooking the plastic as much.
The remote reservoir on the brake master cylinder is a vast improvement on my Hyundai Getz which has it under the scuttle panel with a 20mm gap above the filler neck... Luckily there's a mass produced S-shaped funnel that fits int he gap.
One of the best channels on TH-cam for technical analysis, and detailed breakdowns of current technology. This old gear head appreciates the deep dives, and being an EE, the EVs are very interesting.
Frunks always seem to be a big deal to people.. I never even use mine. Just throw stuff in the back seat or trunk. I'd rather see the space under the hood used for other things. I find it annoying when they cram everything in as small of a space as possible. I find being able to fix a part without taking half the car apart has value. Who knows what engineers could use all that rarely used frunk space for....
I've started my frunk more for groceries lately, but even when I didn't it's still extra storage space for things like wiper fluid, charging cables etc.
As a daily driver (commute car) I suppose the frunk does have limited utility. But when we travel, it becomes a very important storage location. Coming from a Range Rover, I can carry more cargo in the little Model Y. Absolutely a brilliant design and it's more comfortable/fun to drive.
What other things? That's the deal-evs have fewer, smaller components, but the designers are lazy and don't arrange them logically to offer space to the owner.
I'd die for a cabin filter that easy to change, on the Model 3 it's a nightmare, especially on the RHD model as the dead pedal is in the way. You have to take various trim pieces off from the side of the center console, move some HV heater wiring, then try to somehow get the filters out from their gap with the dead pedal blocking part of the gap. Horrible placement for it. :)
Ya, would have loved the easy replacement on my Model 3 and I'm in a LHD version. I can't imagine the RHD version. Must be a complete nightmare. If Tesla designed it better with no moldy smell it wouldn't be such a big issue.
Not a nightmare. I can think of TONS of jobs on my ICE car that are a genuine nightmare. A filter change in my RHD model 3 takes me around 10-15 minutes, (or Tesla mobile will come and do it in my garage for around AUD$100.)
@@paulaxford6754 Yeah it's not actually a cult, M3 owners are pretty upfront about the actual problems, like the wiper AI and the App linkage time and the latest UI!
Wow! Great report! Tesla seems to be far ahead in engineering, etc. This is much better than standard yt reviews and replays of automaker's slick advertising.
I wouldn't say far ahead in engineering, just a different purpose of direction. Tesla's charging tech is already less advanced. I don't mind not having a frunk if I can access stuff for maintenance much easier. The cabin filters on my Model 3 are a pain to access. This seems way easier. I would also imagine cleaning out the A/C coils would be easier on the Hyundai. The moldy smell from the Model 3 could be a design flaw too.
@@SiuLeung They are far ahead though... It's plain to see. And saying the charging tech "already" less advanced seems to imply everyone will catch up in other aspects real soon, as if their charging tech is less advanced. What exactly are you pointing to here? Tesla hater detected?
@@SiuLeung The only thing is that electric cars don't really need a lot of maintenance. In this car maybe since they added a plethora of hoses which could conceptually leak and might need addressing. But that brings us to the point why'd they take this design approach anyway? The car does not look like it was built as an electric vehicle but a general purpose car where they just pulled out the motor/trans and retrofitted an electric motor and supporting components.
...yeah, the nerve. Who would want to be able to replace a battery anywhere in the country, when you can depend on Tesla service to schedule you an appointment in three or four weeks.
All EV's use them because of legacy 12-volt electronic systems in all autos. Even Teslas still use a lead-acid battery. You can upgrade it for 12-volt lithium for $$$. They haven't engineered away the separate 12-volt battery to integrate it into the car's main battery pack for some reason. Maybe they can't? who knows.
@@SiuLeung Tesla has switched to Lithium Ion recently to replace the lead acid batteries. I believe the new battery is a nominal 14.4v. There's still too many legacy systems to go to 48v yet.
How much reskilling do current car repair shops need to do to start working on these? Do they need to hire totally different people or can they upskill their current workforce?
See bad part. Turn bolts on bad part counterclockwise. Toss bad part. Put new part where bad part was. Turn bolts on good part clockwise. Not much difference. 🤣 But seriously, most of the car is the same whether it has a fuel tank and engine or a battery and electric motor: tires, wheels, suspension, brakes, steering, and everything in the interior. From a service perspective, most of the difference between and engine and a electric motor is just fewer mechanical parts, and added wiring. If you can't retrain from engines to EVs, it's probably time for you to retire.
Although it may be good for the manufacturer, I'm not entirely convinced cramming as many sub systems into one single unit is necessarily a good thing for the consumer. Reason being the lack of resources to do component level repair means when one single component fails, it means throwing out whatever module it's in so the more modules that are tied together in a single unit means more things have to be replaced = more $$$ out of your pocket. At least with multiple separate modules making up a system, you don't have to throw out an entire system as one very expensive non-serviceable. If cars were built to last it would be fine but they usually aren't. For example, combining the ABS system with the master cylinder seems like a good idea until a soft foot pedal caused by a worn 25 cent seal in the master cylinder means that instead of just replacing a $150 master cylinder you are now also replacing a $1500 ABS system that is perfectly fine. The seals in my master cylinder are starting to bleed pressure and I am very very pleased it's a simple $150 part swap I can do myself in the driveway.
@Sandy Munro, your guys should get a laser pen so that when they are filming they can show what they are talking about with the laser dot rather than just pointing with their fingers.
Sandy, Cory, and Jordan, I love your High-Fidelity Videos. Suggestion - Help prospective employees to see themselves at Munro by including a new hire at the end of a video instead of the old hey, we're hiring words. Let them talk about, possibly the product at hand (even another project not featured but nonetheless important) and maybe a little about their background.
@@MunroLive Your welcome. Since TH-cam is pushing their 'Shorts' format, you might just make the new hire video 'spots' a TH-cam Shorts? Also, produce them for TikTok?
*------------------------------------> Not a sexy topic,* but I noticed some really nice looking frame-welds and would like to know a bit more about the various types of welds used in auto production. Thank you.
I get the impression through some of these videos that you guys don’t know much about the inner workings of these cars, just if things look visually appealing over all and cues from a few organizational patterns. But seems sort of high level low info stuff.
I think they know how they work but it would take forever to delve into all the fine details. What they should do is invite the manufacturer's engineers in to explain the reasoning.
RWD models have a larger frunk in the EU, but not in the US due to regulatory reasons (no safety release from within the frunk). Keeping the frunk small (or divided in the case of Mach E or Polestar) ensures nobody can climb into it.
Wow it is only 57 litres or so. Only babies small enough to put in there wouldn't be able to operate a switch anyway... But I'm quite happy with the larger frunk on my RWD Hyundai. Would still be eager to trade it in for the larger battery and 2 years free fast charging people in the US are getting...
@@bilgyno1 That's the point. A child old and large enough to open the hood and climb in won't fit, and if the space were larger that child would be capable of identifying and pulling a release.
I believe a few more tutorials and I am ready to apply. haha You guys are all excellent teachers. Sandy must be an awesome guy to work with because he has an amazing team!
The American RWD ioniq 5 uses the same exact tiny frunk, despite having much more space underneath. The European RWD frunk is substantially larger. The reason for this is regulatory. All American cars with inclosed storage above a certain size must have a internal release mechanism so a trapped person can get out. Hyundai did not want to add a extra mechanism to the hood, so they closed the space off and wasted it.
So much empty space... Even without dedicated space for a frunk - there would be plenty of space to store a lot of stuff, especially right at the front above the coolant hoses.
While it is posit that EVs should have lower maintenance cost and better long term reliability, the amount of hoses, clamps and pumps in the various cooling systems can be a concern. Good to see the changes Hyundai has made generation to generation. This also looks much improved over the MachE which had 35 thermal hoses and was covered in a previous video
True, but from an ICE perspective consider the far lower temps and pressures involved. The Ioniq 5 looks much the same as my Kona but with the replacement of conventional rubber hoses with plastic snap-on.
What a remarkable difference between this super-clean and organized "engine" compartment vs the Ford Mach-E's nightmarish, rat's nest of components and tubing.
I love the way Cory and Jordan talk about engineering details in a way that an average person can understand. Regarding the frunk, in the U.S., the RWD and AWD version have the same small frunk. Speculation is that Hyundai didn't want to spend the money to include an under-the-hood child safety release which would have been required for a larger frunk. Can you comment whether that is a real requirement?
A lot of the HVAC system is in the engine bay which frees up passenger space by having a smaller console. That was a design/engineering decision. th-cam.com/video/0zM3EdnqRZg/w-d-xo.html is a video of Hyundai engineers discussing the development of the E-GMP platform. I don't mind a small frunk if it gives more cabin space. "do you want cabinets or a bigger house?" was one of the questions the engineers asked.
Q: What's your assessment of that? A: better to "float" than eventually to "rub through" from vibration (even from the stabilizing clamp or zip-tie itself).
I totally agree and I didn't have to yell at the screen as much. Only when Cory mentioned a valid reason for the two coolant loops but didn't think to question why they were different colours.
Interesting insight to the Ioniq 5. I have an Ioniq 5 Limited AWD, and the problem I am having issues with the A/C heating module. For lack of a better description, it has died after 600 miles and 4 months later still no sign of the part(s) needed to repair. I am now only driving the car in the early morning and the late afternoon/evening to tolerate the heat in southern California. From the various Ioniq 5 forums, I am not the only one having issues. I have contacted Hyundai and unfortunately the supply chain issues is causing this issue, and the newness of the car for technicians working on it.🤨
Purchased an Ioniq 5 limited back in February and it is by far my biggest regret. Spent 65k on this thing and I've had non-stop issues. - Constant vibrating that the service center can't seem to figure out - Creaking brakes that come and go. Service center can't seem to fix this either - Occasionally won't turn off - Random dash lights coming on and off for no apparent reasons - Locking issues. Sometimes the car unlocks as intended and sometimes it doesn't - Suspension is AWFUL! It's quite a rough ride, lots of body roll and noises coming from the cabin - Lastly, this is just personal taste. I hate the virtual engine sound system (VESS)-sounds like a spaceship and is annoying after awhile.
The battery is not AGM guys - CFM50L is a traditional ICE starter battery, optimised for the high current surges needed to start ICE motors (CCA 550A rating). This means spongy, high surface area plates but with thin lead coatings. This is the wrong type of battery to fit to an EV, which never needs the starter cranking amp. It should be a deep cycle type, with thick lead plates. These can't provide the high surge currents so well, but can discharge at a low, steady rate for a much longer long time. Fitting the wrong type of batteries may be contributing to 12V batteries going flat in some Ioniq 5s.
Man they screwed up....just like the Mini it has no frunk! You must chastise all EVs with no frunk! Such a disappointment....or did you guys get over that now?
Not sold , saw a towing test on a Rivian , worked out to about 30 miles of towing a truck on a trailer before dead battery. Lithium batteries are 70-100x the weight of equivalent gasoline power output.
More lines and such yes but it probably work, contrary to Tesla that fail in cold weather resulting in destruction of the compressor. And Pb batteries are superior to Li batteries in cold weather, and price and life expectancy and electronics, as long as you just charge it properly. And you have a large battery pack on board so charge it properly is an easy task (unless you are a Tesla that obviously can not handle a Pb battery so it last).
Americans like giant cars, so instead of shortening the front end and making the car more compact, they keep it big and fill the space with a frunk. Frunks only seem to make sense for trucks and maybe large SUVs. For everything else, it's better to maximise the cabin space and rear storage.
Well, many Kona owners have added their own frunk. The Kona also has other areas that appear unrefined, like under the rear floor. It was clearly a design intended to meet a market window.
I buy cars ten year old cars at minimum. I'm concerned about so many lineal feet of hose. The number of connections. Ugh. I deal with coolant system leaks now on my ice vehicles. This seems like a nightmare waiting to happen, as these things age. I haven't heard anyone talk about rodents. They like to eat wiring insulation. Won't this be a widespread problem as these cars age? What do you guys think?
The good news as since the coolant in a EV is MUCH cooler, the hoses will last much longer. Probably they should be replaced every 125k miles just to be safe. I saw a Tesla video of a Model S with 1 million miles on it. Original hoses, original battery.
It's almost as if the mandatory goal was to not deviate from current design philosophy. And draw up an electric motor setup, packaging and cooling infrastructure to mimic what a current small 4 cylinder engine bay looks like. Almost as if to make any current ICE user who takes a look under the hood of this electric vehicle to go like; "yeah, kinda looks like an ICE engine in shape and form. All seems familiar in shape form and size to me."
Cory and Jordan - I appreciate your engineering analysis so much - thank you!
Looks like the Koreans understand the advantage of serviceability more than these guys. Intergration just makes replacing faulty components so much more expensive....and profitable for the manufacturers.
The trouble with Munro they can't see the forest for the trees.
Yeah that filter is so easy to change..... After you remove the frunk first ;)
@@bitsorbytes You don't have to remove the frunk to change to the filter though ;) there's an opening inside the frunk. Hyundai is known for serviceability.
@@bitsorbytes Not only is there a pop-out panel in the frunk to make it easy and tool-less, but what's more: the frunk is SO easy to remove! This blew me away: there's a light in the center-front to show you what's in there while you rummage. It would have been pretty easy to unplug by just pulling out the bolts, lifting the front a bit, and feeling around. But they were so thoughtful they added a whole extra connector on the far-right, so you can unplug the connector visually before you even undo the bolts. JUST to avoid someone not noticing the light and ripping off the harness.
@@AlexWhittemore Great to hear Alex it is so easy.... So how often do you need to replace that air filter then?
@@bitsorbytes they say once every year or 15k miles. For how easy and cheap it is, I’ll probably go with something like half that. Maybe once during fire season too.
I actually do not dislike the packaging under the hood except for the atrocious 12V battery. Cars and their parts still break down I love how accessible they are in this car rather than have them hyper packaged like in a Tesla making serviceability much more complex and thus expensive. In fact there is no study showing that one is more reliable than the other, especially in Tesla's model S case some parts are notoriously more prone to failure. Would be nice if Munro also addresses this and see what changed to improve this.
Good comment and I agree. My Kona EV is much the same. I can reach everything and the parts are all good quality.
Wonderful topic coverage, Would love for an on-screen graphic or two defining acronyms and/or initials used in the voice track. Thank you for your work to make adaptable/leaner designs and products.
YES ! very good idea.
Now that they’ve got much space in the absence of engine they’ve neatly put everything on sight and easily accessible. Korean and Japanese don’t really care about frunk as much as the easily accessible technical parts fact!
Removing the frunk on a Tesla is fairly simple. I’d rather have a nice frunk, even if I need to spend an extra ten minutes removing it in the unlikely event that I might need to get to those components.
yep. I like this building philosphy rather than hyperintegration madness.
@@lemongavine My point was not the frunk, this one has it although very shallow but the engineering behind those part’s positioning is evident, an engineer can understand what i’m saying! they’ve modeled everything for wrenching and changing if it’s necessary it’s a Japanese/Korean philosophy! Germans don’t do that because of the pride that they have in their products! I guess Tesla is closer the European philosophy.
@@cdbuiles Luddite boomer can't innovate so he sips his bud light and says "yep... that inefficency is actually a good thing".
You missed the part that they have more parts much like a regular ICE vehicle. All they did was remiove the engine and used an electric motor
Cory and Jordan - super appreciate the in-depth and objective view on Ioniq's 5 hood or under the hood :) It would be interesting to consider an objective look at ID.4 and comparison to Ioniq 5. Since both are representing the innovation by "traditional" manufacturers, and both of these cars have a very similar target audience of drivers... Thank you and keep up the good work!
wow great review of this car. a lot of interesting things going on there. keep in mind EVERYONE NOT EVERY CAR / TRUCK IS A TESLA. ( I HAVE MY OWN OPIION ABOUT THAT COMPANY) I did learn a lot from this. thank you so much..
I Guarantee owners of this EV will pour windshield washer fluid into the coolant tank with the blue fluid. Having the washer fluid tank next to the coolant tanks is an invitation for bad things, expensive things...
@Richard Nedbalek And Smart owners put the fuel pump nozzle to the turbo vent on the other side of the car flooding it...
I think you'll find that the caps don't unscrew, they'll be locked. This is what they did on their earlier EVs.
@Richard Nedbalek however it seems that in addition to a lock, the cap also has a left hand thread. That may have been overkill IMO.
I wonder if they'll switch to a green coolant at some point in the future.
Great video! Amazing how you can convey the information without being rude.
I think videos where you clearly compare parts to that of other car makers would be interesting and great for the viewers. Honestly would also bring in a wider audience. The kind of audience that don't already know a great deal about car manufacturing
Vocab lesson today. Thank you!
Really enjoyed your review, I was hoping to get a close look under the hood. EVs are evolving quickly, getting better all the time. I can hardly wait to test drive the Ioniq 5.
Awesome video. Both of you are starting to insert some opinion that sas prev sandys skill. This opinion and your accuracy is what makes the content next level.
As a lay person who is very curious about EVs and is struggling to find the information that will help me in my decisions related to which EV I should consider, I find these videos lacking in a take home message. By this I mean there is never a concise summary that encapsulates what you have seen. I appreciate your videos as I have watched far too many that have discussed things that are not important to me (e.g., appearance and styling). Just food for thought...thanks.
Wow , very informative and well done . Thanks Guys . If I had the know how I would love to work for Munro And Associates , the future for Evs is looking very bright indeed .
i dont like that two coolants. my quick search shows it makes sense on hybrids but not not sure on EVs
I wish I had an engineering background! Would love to work at such an excellent place!
I have some of the background but don't want to move halfway across the world to a cold place!
OMG that's a huge amount of tubes! Looks almost like an ICE car.
My ICE car has just a few tubes. 🤷
EVs have much more complex thermal management issues than ICE vehicles, so their plumbing is always more complex.
TESLA take note of the ease of CABIN FILTER REPLACENENT, there is no reason to have to go to a service center to replace this filter. That said as good as this Hyundai is there is lots of room for improvement. CHEERS Steve h.
Why don;t these manufacturers copy the octovalve from Tesla? It seems the knowledge and execution is right in front of them to make it so much better.
Possibly flexibility to produce multiple models without having to design a new model-specific valve assembly for each one.
They don't have to "copy" anything - valve manifolds are a long-established design model. The valve body of any conventional automatic transmission is the same idea.
Octovalve is cheap for the manufacturer NOT good for the user/customer/buyer. I much prefer the build quality of hyundai instead of the octovalve. BTW, once the octovalve goes you are screwed on multiple functions and your car is FUBAR till it's fixed.
Does Tesla has a patent on the octovalve? Or Kia tried something different and potentially more efficient? They have used 2 different fluids (pink and blue) because they have different thermal characteristics. Is hard to judge not knowing what the engineering constraints they had. I'm sure over time will learn more details.
@@adrianhorja5336 No, there's nothing patentable about Tesla's valve assembly, although they may have filed a patent anyway... some manufacturers puke out every drawing they have into a patent application. It's just a bunch of valves mounted in a manifold.
@@TheNature101 Yes, I can confirm this. My 2018 Model 3 was not driveable when the superbottle broke.
Interesting, I like this car, I looked at it in a dealership.
good work by the camera man :)
Except when Cory shows the frunk details and didn't wait for the cameraman to arrive before leaving. I've seen that in many videos, lacking story-boarding.
Please comment if you can the paint quality,…since this seems to be the subject of concern of some users, …vs others like Tesla
Are press vihicles not better build than ordinary builds? What is the value of this review?
These are already being sold to regular people. Saw one a week ago charging by my local Sprouts supermarket.
Nothing covered in this video would be different in a prèss car vs a normal car.
Press car improvements tend to be things like paint quality, panel gaps, and weld quality.
The design aspects covered here wouldn't change.
Hyandui was all, Hey parts bind you ready to be scavenged hardcore again? We got some stuff to throw together again.
Well, I would still like to make my next EV be the Hyundai Ioniq5!
Why didn't Hyundai package it to include a frunk?
But it did?
Why didn't you watch the video?
@@brianb-p6586 I did. Poorly worded comment. I meant to say why didn't they make frunk.
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All that empty space under the hood and no frunk you think they could throw in a few more miles worth of batteries.
There is a front trunk - they had removed it, and showed it in the video.
The frunk has been taken out before the shoot.
I am aware but as he stared its so small its practically non usable or practical. Perhaps just for charging cables.
@@ogjk I would keep the stuff there that always rides in the back of the car - tire air pump, tools, whatever. It's small, but that's different from "no frunk". And if that trunk were eliminated no battery capacity would be added - the battery isn't under the hood.
Munro continues to show the world why Tesla is the best out there. Although other OEM’s have more luxury materials or better fit & finish, it’s what’s underneath that really counts.
I agree. Improving fit and finish (paint quality, panel gaps, etc.) is a relatively easy thing to do. Changing the culture of an organization to focus on shared design across engineering teams is more difficult.
What do you mean? Tesla makes everything. Tesla makes their seats.
@@lionelhuts875 The fit in finish claims are 100% nonsense. There are likely more issues with legacy auto. You can see fit and finish issues all over the lot and that means they are issues dealers ignore because they don't hinder sales. Legacy auto has always had poor fit and finish, they send special review cars to reviewers. Every fit and finish review from any reviewer that did not buy or borrow a normal consumer model is fraudulent. I say fraudulent because the reviewers know they are getting special review versions, but then go on to review them like normal consumer models for the clicks.
@@_PatrickO I was behind a Model Y yesterday in traffic and I could see a horrible misalignment where the hatch meets the roof line. And I say this as a Tesla fanboy. Some of the claims are legit.
@@lionelhuts875 You are the only fanboy here because you refuse to admit cars from all brands have similar issues. Walk any lot for any other brand, it is a sea of misalignments. Grow up for a change. My first car in the 00s had me walking lots and so many vehicles had panel gaps. GM stood out by far above all the rest. So many gaps that were wider on one side than the other. I actually thought I was losing my mind because no one else was even mentioning them. It turns out they are so common, no one cared.
This resurgence off "caring" about it with teslas that have so far not even been as bad as what GM dealers have had is laughable. Meanwhile legacy auto sends reviewers handbuilt versions that have none of the gaps production cars have. Pure review fraud.
I drive a chevy volt, so good luck on your fake fanboy claims.
Taking baby steps for technological maturity.
There are things to work on, but this is very, very good already.
As someone who has worked on cars for nearly 20 years, many of them older, I appreciate that Hyundai has not gone the Tesla route of integrating several components into one box. Serviceability is a significant factor that seems to be increasingly getting ignored, but it is critical for keeping cars on the road as they get older. The more components that you integrate into one service part, the more expensive that part gets. People may be willing to spend $2000 on a box in order to keep their 3 or 4 year old car on the road, but they probably are not going to be willing to when that car is 8-10+ years old. Those cars end up in junk yards. Being able to service components affordably is super important. I would much rather have a more serviceable vehicle and sacrifice some of the grossly over-rated frunk space.
I'd that "one service Mary" is made in huge numbers, making it cheap, is interchangeable between models, and easy to remove due to lack of plumbing, I'd say it would save money when it comes to keeping cars "on the road".
Not to mention, no guesswork faultfinding, fitting the wrong part and having to find another component.
what about the argument of, less parts -> less chance of something breaking down -> lower chance of needing service in the first place (therefore, last longer too)?
This , this , 1000% this. 🫡 ouch has hit it on the nose (mechanic for over …20 years as well 🥂)
(I own both a tesla and an one of these, I appreciate my window regulators working, having a volume knob, working wipers and defroster I can find WAY more than having a “frunk or an octo-valve” not even to mention the superior, Hyundai service, and range.
Explaining the evolution of design changes over the years is BRILLIANT! If you could use old footage or part comparisons like you have done with the Tesla Plaid, then your videos have a higher value to us viewers. Speed of innovation is now part of buying experience...
I think the Hyundai is a press loaner so they don't have permission to take the guts apart. On the other hand, VW and Ford *wanted* Munro to take their vehicles apart to give there honest thoughts.
Please let Jordan off the hook and give him an episode of his own. I think he is a natural and could easily fill an entire Video with his knowledge, and to me at least it seems that he is somewhat being held back by Kory & Sandy. But as usual it was a great and interesting Video, Thanks for sharing your insight with us!
Each one of the crew has so much to offer in background and knowledge that they are always sharing a limited time with every subject but I think your point is valid. Cory is such a wealth of technical understanding and has such a digestible way of explaining what he’s seeing that I always come away with more insight into what I’ve just watched, and always a little dazzled by his knowledge. I would like to see Jordan do one of his own and just dive in headfirst. It’s obvious he has a great deal to offer. This is a fantastic channel and such a great learning platform.
Cory sounds more and more confident hosting videos. I think taking the Plaid to the track helped him shaking off those nerves. I like his methodical style but sometimes I miss Sandy's raw coughing, and unpolished cowboy when speaking the truth.
These videos might be extremely valuable for any potential buyer of an EV.
Damn dude, you miss an old man’s coughing? Try and go outside for a little fresh air.
@@apolycarp you can't understand.
I wish my Model 3's air filter were this easy to replace 😅 Thanks for the video!
Yes. Toyota and Honda make their cabin air filters easy to replace, but you have to realize that the Model 3 has 2 of them just like Mercedes and they put the filters wherever they can. Not saying Teslas couldn’t do it but also because they probably don’t want you to messing around with the car to do it yourself if you’re not mechanically inclined.
@@princesses2909 Tesla does give you detailed instructions how to do it yourself, it's just a bit annoying to do. Doing that every 2 years... I suppose I can live with that.
It’s not that hard. Watch TH-cam videos. Very simple just need the right tools
The Ioniq 5 has two different coolants. They have a Low Conductivity fluid which I think is used for the HV battery and a Standard for all other systems. I would like more technical info on this. I don’t think any other EV has this difference. The Low Conductivity is to be changed every 40,000 miles or 36 months, and I understand it is very expensive.
Tesla has one. Having two has no advantages besides saving R&D cost.
@@miguellopes6669 Well, Tesla also doesn't have an 800V system and could have calculated the risks differently. If it's also expensive and has to be changed regularly, it does make sense to have a limited amount of it, i.e. a separate system. I don't know what the rate of leaking coolant into batteries is in these types of systems, but for every million vehicles, you probably end up with some leaky ones, at least in accidents.
They are designing the car to be “serviceable” so that dealerships can continue to generate income
BMW i3 or has two different coolant loops. Not sure why.
@@charlesbridgford254 Coolant loops are different than actual coolant material. Most should have 3 loops - battery, electronics and cabin.
Thank you Cory and Jordan. I have a Hyundai with the cabin filter under the dashboard. It is a diabolically hard thing to access. Moving that to the location in this car is a *really* positive step. As ICE cars tend to have some part of the engine in that location, such a simple move is usually impossible.
Moving that item to this new location is a real world benefit that should not be undervalued.
Many cars have it in the glovebox which is not as convenient but completely fine to service. Although i really like to see EVs using larger, more capable filters due to having more space available.
@@drkastenbrot I have to remove the entire glovebox to access mine. It is still decidedly hard to access the unit the filter is in. There is a leaf causing a buzz in it now, and I am loath to go through the torture to clean it out. 😞
@@John.0z How often do they need cleaning?
@@dogbreath6974 usually more often than owners can be bothered with when they're hidden away like many are... I must admit that I didn't change the cabin air filter many times on my last ICE car (2009 Ford Mondeo), mostly due to it being so hard to access. I've changed the filter more times during the three years I've had the Tesla Model S (old, small filter - the newer ones may be a bit more fiddly) than I did during nine years owning the Mondeo (ok, so the first few years I let the local dealer do it during yearly service...)
@@dogbreath6974 Most cabin air filters should be replaced every 15,000 miles, but your vehicle may be different.
Having more than one system, what were those lazy incompetnt Hyundai engineers thinking? I can't think of ever needing the car to have the ability to continue to be drivable if the aircon system fails, this too is the reason why I only get on planes that have only one hydraulic system for flight controls.
Lol!
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So a car designed for mass deployment, ease of access and repairability. It also doesn't look like an amorphous blob.
Electric cars are now grand. The good ones are all fine. So it comes down to smaller things like being a fresh design update, or what suits you or can it be easily serviced with a loaner available.
Very nice breakdown. I do find myself disagreeing about the serviceable fuses. Fuses goes from time to time. Long term, the owner wants to be able to replace those fuses and even the 12v battery. Not everyone wants go to the dealer which can be expensive.
Yup, I honestly don't like Tesla's model where they try to detect overloads in software and expose the (very expensive) front control board to potential over-currents. This chap has a very good video on the Tesla low-voltage circuitry, but as a designer, I cringe a bit at the assumptions they make... See: th-cam.com/video/fUCgLCbX_18/w-d-xo.html
Getting better and better. Cory relaxed. Jordan is so clear and concise it's amazing. No wasted "ums' and "ahs". He totally understands the engineering and is comfortable in his skin. I love Sandy, but sometimes I just want simple clear explanations without all the other stuff.
I come here to hear the extra stuff from Sandy haha
Hyundai and Kia have a lot of potential to reduce the numbers of hoses and their lengths. This reminded me of the Mach-E thermal management hosing madness... It seems like there's potential opportunity to make some changes for the components along with their wiring and hoses to be moved around and/or combined. Once they deal with those wiring and hoses, hopefully they'll come out with a nicely polished front trunk cargo space and possibly some weight reduction. Small things can turn into a big deal when everything adds up.
I think KIA/Hyundai are more Advanced than FORD Muck-e.
Ford is too outdated and clunky.
Sure, but what if it is cheaper to produce it this way than a Tesla? Should they go more complex with something like an octivalve system, just to be like Tesla?
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 - Tesla is way cheaper to produce, and savings in materials cost, weight Penalty, and efficiency Loss.
no one on EARTH can Engineer like Tesla can , the model 3/Y were design by SpaceX. the Octovalve & Super Manifold was SpaceX.
Go back and watch that Mach E video. I think you might find that this is a MUCH more compact assembly despite also being two coolant runs. The Mach E was also using loads of generic hoses and connectors which limits how tight of a bend they can go through which negatively impacts the orientation, parts lengths, and manufacturing assembly. These vehicle-specific hoses may be slightly more expensive up-front cost but should be faster to assemble and allow for better packaging.
I agree with others that it looked better than Ford but not up to Tesla. The great thing to know is this vehicle already has great range, so relatively simple packaging improvements should improve efficiency even more. I think Hyundai/Kia will be a real force in the future of EVs. Their purchase of Boston Dynamics was no coincidence either. They are shooting for autonomy asap.
What I don’t get is why EVs with long hood don’t have a frunk, eg lyriq, eqs, iX, etc.
Poor design if you ask me. The next generation will have a frunk
@@Wankidy but these are new ground up ev designs. I think it’s inexcusable. I’m curious to find out what’s under these long hoods. At least w the id4 and Ioniq, they have short hoods, so it’s some what justified.
re: "What I don’t get is why EVs with long hood don’t have a frunk, eg lyriq, eqs, iX, etc." no worries, they're NOT Porsches. want an original frunk...? buy a 911 (which is the "cache"/USP everybody's looking to imitate).
10k Dealer markup if you want to purchase this one.
Not ... in .... Canada!
@@ScubaSteveCanada really? I'm glad. Even the Hyundai Accent gets a $3k Dealer markup.
I appreciate your engineering analysis! Please more IONIQ 5 content
Cory, you seem to do a better video with Jordan. Good video!
What I see is engineering time spent in making the system easier to work on. I feel that Sandy goes a bit too extreme on the manufacturing cost as the be all and end all. For instance I think the molded hoses with proprietary ends is crazy. It means with any leak you have to go to the manufacturer to get that hose. What if you are in a part of the country without a dealer? An ICE car you can generally go to any parts store and get a hose. I probably have enough bulk hose in my garage to fix most ICE cars for a lifetime.
It has to do with weight as well. The more stuff the more battery it needs to haul it around.
That style of hose is commonly seen on many ICE vehicles as well. A lot of European cars and Fords use them. Likely less problematic in an EV due to the lower coolant temperature not cooking the plastic as much.
@@RobertHancock1 yes, my Suzuki uses that type on the clutch fluid lines.
The remote reservoir on the brake master cylinder is a vast improvement on my Hyundai Getz which has it under the scuttle panel with a 20mm gap above the filler neck... Luckily there's a mass produced S-shaped funnel that fits int he gap.
I have such pleasure in watching such a competent well executed review - Thanks and keep it up
Great to see that Sandy is giving these young gents a chance to get to the stage ;-) Brilliantly explained. Love the show!
Thanks
I can disassemble anything; it's putting things back together, I don't do very well.
One of the best channels on TH-cam for technical analysis, and detailed breakdowns of current technology. This old gear head appreciates the deep dives, and being an EE, the EVs are very interesting.
Yup, and a must watch, before buying an EV! Thats why i want the model Y
Frunks always seem to be a big deal to people.. I never even use mine. Just throw stuff in the back seat or trunk. I'd rather see the space under the hood used for other things. I find it annoying when they cram everything in as small of a space as possible. I find being able to fix a part without taking half the car apart has value. Who knows what engineers could use all that rarely used frunk space for....
I've started my frunk more for groceries lately, but even when I didn't it's still extra storage space for things like wiper fluid, charging cables etc.
As a daily driver (commute car) I suppose the frunk does have limited utility. But when we travel, it becomes a very important storage location. Coming from a Range Rover, I can carry more cargo in the little Model Y. Absolutely a brilliant design and it's more comfortable/fun to drive.
What other things? That's the deal-evs have fewer, smaller components, but the designers are lazy and don't arrange them logically to offer space to the owner.
Yeah, if I had to choose between more frunk space or more trunk space, I'd choose trunk space 100%.
@@kalleguld you shouldn't have to choose. Those components have no place being moved to the trunk
I'd die for a cabin filter that easy to change, on the Model 3 it's a nightmare, especially on the RHD model as the dead pedal is in the way.
You have to take various trim pieces off from the side of the center console, move some HV heater wiring, then try to somehow get the filters out from their gap with the dead pedal blocking part of the gap. Horrible placement for it. :)
Ya, would have loved the easy replacement on my Model 3 and I'm in a LHD version. I can't imagine the RHD version. Must be a complete nightmare. If Tesla designed it better with no moldy smell it wouldn't be such a big issue.
Not a nightmare. I can think of TONS of jobs on my ICE car that are a genuine nightmare.
A filter change in my RHD model 3 takes me around 10-15 minutes, (or Tesla mobile will come and do it in my garage for around AUD$100.)
To be honest, I'm way more surprised about the candid mentioning of this by M3 owners.
@@paulaxford6754 Yeah it's not actually a cult, M3 owners are pretty upfront about the actual problems, like the wiper AI and the App linkage time and the latest UI!
Wow! Great report! Tesla seems to be far ahead in engineering, etc. This is much better than standard yt reviews and replays of automaker's slick advertising.
I wouldn't say far ahead in engineering, just a different purpose of direction. Tesla's charging tech is already less advanced. I don't mind not having a frunk if I can access stuff for maintenance much easier. The cabin filters on my Model 3 are a pain to access. This seems way easier. I would also imagine cleaning out the A/C coils would be easier on the Hyundai. The moldy smell from the Model 3 could be a design flaw too.
@@SiuLeung what makes you say the charging tech is less advanced? What are you comparing?
@@SiuLeung They are far ahead though... It's plain to see. And saying the charging tech "already" less advanced seems to imply everyone will catch up in other aspects real soon, as if their charging tech is less advanced. What exactly are you pointing to here? Tesla hater detected?
@@SiuLeung The only thing is that electric cars don't really need a lot of maintenance. In this car maybe since they added a plethora of hoses which could conceptually leak and might need addressing. But that brings us to the point why'd they take this design approach anyway? The car does not look like it was built as an electric vehicle but a general purpose car where they just pulled out the motor/trans and retrofitted an electric motor and supporting components.
@@SiuLeung the Hyundai doesn’t even pre-heat the battery before charging. What are you even talking about with your statement about Tesla?
*Well done!* Great close-ups, well edited. Crazy that Hyundai still uses a 50 lb lead-acid battery!
...yeah, the nerve. Who would want to be able to replace a battery anywhere in the country, when you can depend on Tesla service to schedule you an appointment in three or four weeks.
All EV's use them because of legacy 12-volt electronic systems in all autos. Even Teslas still use a lead-acid battery. You can upgrade it for 12-volt lithium for $$$. They haven't engineered away the separate 12-volt battery to integrate it into the car's main battery pack for some reason. Maybe they can't? who knows.
@@SiuLeung Tesla has switched to Lithium Ion recently to replace the lead acid batteries. I believe the new battery is a nominal 14.4v. There's still too many legacy systems to go to 48v yet.
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 Those batteries practically last forever.
@@SiuLeung Tesla are using a Li-Ion 12V that's as light as a feather. You're late.
Pace of Innovation is all that matters - Elon Musk
How much reskilling do current car repair shops need to do to start working on these? Do they need to hire totally different people or can they upskill their current workforce?
See bad part. Turn bolts on bad part counterclockwise. Toss bad part. Put new part where bad part was. Turn bolts on good part clockwise.
Not much difference. 🤣
But seriously, most of the car is the same whether it has a fuel tank and engine or a battery and electric motor: tires, wheels, suspension, brakes, steering, and everything in the interior. From a service perspective, most of the difference between and engine and a electric motor is just fewer mechanical parts, and added wiring. If you can't retrain from engines to EVs, it's probably time for you to retire.
Although it may be good for the manufacturer, I'm not entirely convinced cramming as many sub systems into one single unit is necessarily a good thing for the consumer. Reason being the lack of resources to do component level repair means when one single component fails, it means throwing out whatever module it's in so the more modules that are tied together in a single unit means more things have to be replaced = more $$$ out of your pocket. At least with multiple separate modules making up a system, you don't have to throw out an entire system as one very expensive non-serviceable. If cars were built to last it would be fine but they usually aren't.
For example, combining the ABS system with the master cylinder seems like a good idea until a soft foot pedal caused by a worn 25 cent seal in the master cylinder means that instead of just replacing a $150 master cylinder you are now also replacing a $1500 ABS system that is perfectly fine. The seals in my master cylinder are starting to bleed pressure and I am very very pleased it's a simple $150 part swap I can do myself in the driveway.
@Sandy Munro, your guys should get a laser pen so that when they are filming they can show what they are talking about with the laser dot rather than just pointing with their fingers.
Sandy, Cory, and Jordan, I love your High-Fidelity Videos. Suggestion - Help prospective employees to see themselves at Munro by including a new hire at the end of a video instead of the old hey, we're hiring words. Let them talk about, possibly the product at hand (even another project not featured but nonetheless important) and maybe a little about their background.
Good idea.
@@MunroLive Your welcome. Since TH-cam is pushing their 'Shorts' format, you might just make the new hire video 'spots' a TH-cam Shorts? Also, produce them for TikTok?
*------------------------------------> Not a sexy topic,* but I noticed some really nice looking frame-welds and would like to know a bit more about the various types of welds used in auto production. Thank you.
Could you pour all the lines of Ionic5 like you did for Ford Mustang? I'd like to have indirect comparison.
🤗 THANKS CORY …FOR SHARING JORDAN’s EXPERIENCE AND GIVING THE RESPECT IT DESERVES 🤗😍😍😍
The A/C filter place is so amazing! Every thing is neat
I get the impression through some of these videos that you guys don’t know much about the inner workings of these cars, just if things look visually appealing over all and cues from a few organizational patterns. But seems sort of high level low info stuff.
They can't take a press car apart.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom I hear an Auto manufacturer once disassembled and reassembled a rental car. 😁
I think they know how they work but it would take forever to delve into all the fine details. What they should do is invite the manufacturer's engineers in to explain the reasoning.
RWD models have a larger frunk in the EU, but not in the US due to regulatory reasons (no safety release from within the frunk). Keeping the frunk small (or divided in the case of Mach E or Polestar) ensures nobody can climb into it.
Wow it is only 57 litres or so. Only babies small enough to put in there wouldn't be able to operate a switch anyway...
But I'm quite happy with the larger frunk on my RWD Hyundai. Would still be eager to trade it in for the larger battery and 2 years free fast charging people in the US are getting...
@@bilgyno1 That's the point. A child old and large enough to open the hood and climb in won't fit, and if the space were larger that child would be capable of identifying and pulling a release.
I believe a few more tutorials and I am ready to apply.
haha
You guys are all excellent teachers.
Sandy must be an awesome guy to work with because he has an amazing team!
The American RWD ioniq 5 uses the same exact tiny frunk, despite having much more space underneath. The European RWD frunk is substantially larger.
The reason for this is regulatory. All American cars with inclosed storage above a certain size must have a internal release mechanism so a trapped person can get out.
Hyundai did not want to add a extra mechanism to the hood, so they closed the space off and wasted it.
Wow didn't know! Thanks for the heads up bro
Should have done what Ford did, a removable barrier.
Forget about frunks. Easy to inspect & service the underhood stuff.
Glad you put the IONIQ5 on to see what under the hood
Is it known which cars Rimac had a hand in with drivetrain engineering and perhaps other systems?
Thank you for reviewing the Ioniq 5 👍
Cory is bodybuilder.
So much empty space... Even without dedicated space for a frunk - there would be plenty of space to store a lot of stuff, especially right at the front above the coolant hoses.
That is why e.g. Kona has an aftermarket frunk to use all that space.
Get some voile straps and throw stuff in.
Beautiful engineering comments and videography. If I weren't 84, with my 2 EE degrees I would send my resume to Munroe Live.
Thanks Jay! We would still love to see your resume; Please send along to HR@leandesign.com
While it is posit that EVs should have lower maintenance cost and better long term reliability, the amount of hoses, clamps and pumps in the various cooling systems can be a concern. Good to see the changes Hyundai has made generation to generation. This also looks much improved over the MachE which had 35 thermal hoses and was covered in a previous video
True, but from an ICE perspective consider the far lower temps and pressures involved. The Ioniq 5 looks much the same as my Kona but with the replacement of conventional rubber hoses with plastic snap-on.
They can't optimize too much without pissing off the dealers who need the extra complexity to charge for service...
What a remarkable difference between this super-clean and organized "engine" compartment vs the Ford Mach-E's nightmarish, rat's nest of components and tubing.
This looks like a rat's nest and will be recalled like all the others.
Jordan Jordan Jordan Jordan! Keep this guy coming great stuff!
Ahhh. I had a thought, could you do a series on what eventually fails on the EV's and how easy the design is to service the cars (and cost)?
I love the way Cory and Jordan talk about engineering details in a way that an average person can understand. Regarding the frunk, in the U.S., the RWD and AWD version have the same small frunk. Speculation is that Hyundai didn't want to spend the money to include an under-the-hood child safety release which would have been required for a larger frunk. Can you comment whether that is a real requirement?
The under hood safety release is just a cord tied to the existing latch. Must cost a quarter.
@@jamesengland7461 ...sure, but a quarter per 1m vehicles is $250k. At some point, even Tesla will have to compete on price.
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 that's not a very balanced cost/ benefit analysis...
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 I don't think they sell a million in USA.
A lot of the HVAC system is in the engine bay which frees up passenger space by having a smaller console. That was a design/engineering decision. th-cam.com/video/0zM3EdnqRZg/w-d-xo.html is a video of Hyundai engineers discussing the development of the E-GMP platform. I don't mind a small frunk if it gives more cabin space. "do you want cabinets or a bigger house?" was one of the questions the engineers asked.
I never use the frunk.
I would love a straight up comparison video on some of the parts and pieces in a car like this, compared to one of Tesla's model 3 or y
They did that a bit with the Mustang teardown where Sandy needed smelling salts after seeing the cooling system.
Did you remove any supports for those hoses? They strike me as a bit floating free in the air. What's your assessment of that?
Q: What's your assessment of that? A: better to "float" than eventually to "rub through" from vibration (even from the stabilizing clamp or zip-tie itself).
Honestly this video had a lot more value per time, constructive hypothesizing/brainstorming, and less cynicism without Sandy around. Good job!
I totally agree and I didn't have to yell at the screen as much. Only when Cory mentioned a valid reason for the two coolant loops but didn't think to question why they were different colours.
Interesting insight to the Ioniq 5. I have an Ioniq 5 Limited AWD, and the problem I am having issues with the A/C heating module. For lack of a better description, it has died after 600 miles and 4 months later still no sign of the part(s) needed to repair. I am now only driving the car in the early morning and the late afternoon/evening to tolerate the heat in southern California. From the various Ioniq 5 forums, I am not the only one having issues. I have contacted Hyundai and unfortunately the supply chain issues is causing this issue, and the newness of the car for technicians working on it.🤨
Thanks!
Please tell me if the American and European versions of the Ioniq 5 have the same chargers? i want to replace CCS1 with CCS2.
Great camera work and B-roll integration on this :)
Purchased an Ioniq 5 limited back in February and it is by far my biggest regret. Spent 65k on this thing and I've had non-stop issues.
- Constant vibrating that the service center can't seem to figure out
- Creaking brakes that come and go. Service center can't seem to fix this either
- Occasionally won't turn off
- Random dash lights coming on and off for no apparent reasons
- Locking issues. Sometimes the car unlocks as intended and sometimes it doesn't
- Suspension is AWFUL! It's quite a rough ride, lots of body roll and noises coming from the cabin
- Lastly, this is just personal taste. I hate the virtual engine sound system (VESS)-sounds like a spaceship and is annoying after awhile.
The battery is not AGM guys - CFM50L is a traditional ICE starter battery, optimised for the high current surges needed to start ICE motors (CCA 550A rating). This means spongy, high surface area plates but with thin lead coatings.
This is the wrong type of battery to fit to an EV, which never needs the starter cranking amp. It should be a deep cycle type, with thick lead plates. These can't provide the high surge currents so well, but can discharge at a low, steady rate for a much longer long time. Fitting the wrong type of batteries may be contributing to 12V batteries going flat in some Ioniq 5s.
Man they screwed up....just like the Mini it has no frunk! You must chastise all EVs with no frunk! Such a disappointment....or did you guys get over that now?
Not sold , saw a towing test on a Rivian , worked out to about 30 miles of towing a truck on a trailer before dead battery. Lithium batteries are 70-100x the weight of equivalent gasoline power output.
Who gives a rats ass about a frunk? Get a truck if you have some much crap to carry.
6:55 - because: FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA.
Surprised no one mentions the $1000 low conductivity coolant change service interval every 3 years.
More lines and such yes but it probably work, contrary to Tesla that fail in cold weather resulting in destruction of the compressor.
And Pb batteries are superior to Li batteries in cold weather, and price and life expectancy and electronics, as long as you just charge it properly. And you have a large battery pack on board so charge it properly is an easy task (unless you are a Tesla that obviously can not handle a Pb battery so it last).
Why is it that Amercian brands seems best at creating frunk space in EVs? Tesla, Ford, Lucid, Rivian...and there will be more.
Because American brands like planned obsolescence, frunks make any potential repairs or maintenance a nightmare.
Americans like giant cars, so instead of shortening the front end and making the car more compact, they keep it big and fill the space with a frunk. Frunks only seem to make sense for trucks and maybe large SUVs. For everything else, it's better to maximise the cabin space and rear storage.
Others don't do tailgate parties. 😂
Well, many Kona owners have added their own frunk. The Kona also has other areas that appear unrefined, like under the rear floor. It was clearly a design intended to meet a market window.
Nowhere else will you get this kind of examination room-style technical analysis of electric vehicles.
I buy cars ten year old cars at minimum. I'm concerned about so many lineal feet of hose. The number of connections. Ugh. I deal with coolant system leaks now on my ice vehicles. This seems like a nightmare waiting to happen, as these things age. I haven't heard anyone talk about rodents. They like to eat wiring insulation. Won't this be a widespread problem as these cars age? What do you guys think?
Buy newer cars, or replace hoses in the older ones.
@@anxiousappliance Huh? Who are you to tell anyone what to buy? I just asked the questions. Do you even know how to think?
@@simonthebroken9691 LOL - just offering possible solutions to the issue you stated. Follow your bliss.
The good news as since the coolant in a EV is MUCH cooler, the hoses will last much longer. Probably they should be replaced every 125k miles just to be safe. I saw a Tesla video of a Model S with 1 million miles on it. Original hoses, original battery.
It's almost as if the mandatory goal was to not deviate from current design philosophy. And draw up an electric motor setup, packaging and cooling infrastructure to mimic what a current small 4 cylinder engine bay looks like. Almost as if to make any current ICE user who takes a look under the hood of this electric vehicle to go like; "yeah, kinda looks like an ICE engine in shape and form. All seems familiar in shape form and size to me."
I guess it's that they can reuse existing designs and knowledge of drivetrains, suspension geometries and such rather than starting from zero.
I very much doubt that was a goal. The fact is the components are not that much different in size and placement to ICE.