Hey man, I just want to say that me and my friends exclusively play hardcore on D4 and you're an invaluable resource to us. Videos like this have streamlined our playtime a lot which really helps because we all have day jobs. We really appreciate you!
that spreadsheet is absolutely fucking phenomenal for helping other players figure out the ideal strats/avoiding particularly bad dungeons. absolutely massive Wudi!
@@JJVENMONZ fun fact, nightmare dungeons are available to you at level 50 wt3. If you're just dungeon farming, just do like Uldars Cave or Siccorro Caverns. Very easy dungeons to clear solo, easier w group, pretty good xp.
Appreciate everything you all do at Maxroll! As a working family man I have minimal time to play but the guides are very helpful....as long as Blizz keeps thier nerfing hands off them long enough for the common man to enjoy the game.
The nerfing hands shall touch all things! redundancy when they implement teleporting to nightmare dungeons(soon)...the xp reliability when they add mechanics/versatility, to difficulty rating when they balance classes/monster abilities...
hi wudi, just some feedback. adding the option to filter out entire columns or sort by ranking for a given column would increase the readability a lot. some excel-wizard in your community could probably take care of that pretty easily. Also, it would be great if the abscence of an end boss would be a bit more clear. Playing on my Grizzly Druid right now and without the shockwave aspect single-target ist just horrible. so i'm more than fine spending more time in the dungeons even with annoying objectives if i don't have to fight a boss for 90 seconds (especially coming from tb rogue where they are basically one-shot). thanks for the list anyway great job!
This is exactly what every player needs once in T4. Max respect for the time and work out into this document. Hopefully, as blizzard changes, we will be able to update the google docs and keep it relevant.
@@Dolbecftw I kinda like the endgame, but between having to stash and salvage sigils, the random affixes and the huge difference in runtimes theres just too much friction. I really have to force myself to run dungeons in a row, not because I dont enjoy them, but because I run back to chest everytime and get lost looking at my sigils
Elite density, especially at the start would be interesting. Especially with how you can reset dungeon right now, the early part of a dungeon is super important and I would love to know which ones are better/worse
Wudijo thank you so much for bein a voice of reason. I'm not saying Blizzard is not at fault at all but ther're so many ridiculous opinions flying around that the real issues that actually matter for most people playing get lost in the noise. Btw Guulrahn Canals is definitely my favorite dungeon right now. Hope it continues to slip under the radar.
That’s the problem honestly. You can’t really choose which ones you want to make. You can only pick the tier range and make random ones. I prefer to blast one map so it’s pretty annoying to me.
Stuff like Serpent's Lair may be good for pushing for ranged builds, but not so much for melee. Those serpents stun lock you sooo often as melee. And I'm speaking as someone playing a melee build with very good uptime on Unstoppable. Classes that don't have that would fare even worse. I think you should've prefaced this. I think someone should also do tier list for pushing for short range/melee builds as well.
agree, those ents in maulwood slap hard or the quillbeast in aldurwood give them frost enchant and they become a nightmare themself, also the boars seems to have kinda buggy hitbox, not fun as melee imo
Awesome that you break it down for Exp and Glyph Leveling. I prefer Nightmare dungeon then resetting dungeon. I hope they buff the rewards for nightmare dungeons.
Hey, just a quick question: How do i get a specific Sigil for a region or even a dungeon? Do I just craft them at the occultist and try to find the good ones? Or is there any other trick
love the idea of nightmare dungeons but the have to buff the experience and loot drops per rank to scale with dungeon tier. It will incentivize people looking to push.
Loving the tier list so far, just go a specific question, maybe y'all can chip in. Shivta Ruins is at a C when it comes to Glyph farming and you have its time listed at 4min. The dungeon is really short though, as you see in the sheet just find 2 stones and go straight to a boss. I run solo all the time so I cant compare our times really, but I cant imagine it being that slow compared to other dungeons which you did just as fast, but with 2 Objectives and an intermission. I was surprised how quick I went through it
depending on the enemy types of the dungeons, which is listed in the spreadsheet, just use the appropriate elixir that gives you more damage against them.
What about a comparison between the total time to complete a dungeon with the total time backtracking. Backtracking timed with a direct route, not with naturally taking the wrong/not optimal path. Would take a pretty long time to gather that I would imagine
If you get one with the right affixes you can run it forever in a loop (until fixed). So you can get perfect affixes on the perfect dungeon unless you care about the glyph exp more than the char exp and loot ofc.
@@blazedehart2748 You can Open a nightmare dungeon and reset it forever with an unintended bug. There are videos out there on how to do it and as of right now it still works.
Will you update this please when the "travel time" is removed from consideration? Since Blizzard said they will make us teleport to nightmare dungeons soon
any tips to push into higher tiers? hitting the wall around tier 65. even normal trash mobs one shot you with 11k health, 11k fort, 11k armor and Damage reduction everywhere it can go.
Sunken Ruins should be an S tier for Glyph leveling. I constantly do it in under 2 mins. First part the stones are almost right next to the door. Second part requires no switches you can just run right though and third part the 3 skeleton constructs 2 are right there and the last one is 2 screens up, Kill the elite at end and you get the bubble and done. Repeat
Is it true farming a dungeon higher than 3 levels relative to your character doesn't give more character XP? I've been doing dungeons 10 levels higher than me (red mobs) thinking I am getting better XP
Do you know where the most xp is coming from? Is it good to kill many elites or is it better to fight good trash? How much worth is it to do Dungeon events, or cursed shrines?
I absolutely love the way nightmare dungeons are designed, with most dungeons having strengths and weaknesses, and different uses. The prospect of having an ever evolving nightmare dungeon meta where we're not only theory crafting our build, but also theory crafting our progression route using nightmare dungeons. This very much feels reminiscent of D2 where any given build had specific farming routes depending on their level of progression. I truly hope Blizzard sticks to their guns on some of these design philosophies, and doesn't cater to the vocal minority who just want the game streamlined into oblivion. Nuance/depth and interesting and difficult choices should be design tenants.
So the sigil is random meaning you cannot choose which one you want to make a nightmare, or can you stand near the one you want and use sigil to make nightmare?
No it's random in the fact when a sigil drops or is created the dungeon is already chosen. You have no contribution to that but can pick and choose which dungeon/affix you want to run.
There's "only" 30 NM dungeons (or rotation at least currently), as opposed to 115 regular ones, so you have a decent chance at getting a few duplicates or triplicates of the ones you're looking for. Either from drops or crafted. All that remains is to sift trough the affixes and maybe avoid want you don't like (important particularly for the pushing side).
Does anyone now which normal dungeons are best, regarding that 1-50 range? Im currently liking Garan Hold very much, feels like its more rewarding than atleast Aldur Woods and Burrows...
Perhaps a silly question here. When in T3, I got these tokens from the whisperer to turn a dungeon into a KM dungeon. I thought once playing on T3, they all were? Also, how do you reset a dungeon exactly? Also also, should I worry about upgrading gear and aspects as I level, or just crack on? If anyone can respond, I'd appreciate it.
Tier List Sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/143tXzN_7-yoQCy7QEjo924UT2kWqH1VhWyXEsOvlwgA/edit#gid=0
Link doesn't work for me :( Don't know if it's on my end or not.
@@Celari it works for me
i love that you skipped "E" alltogether going directly to "F" :D
hey exploiter / cheater
@@dareo_larixthat's how tier lists always are.
Blizzard reading the title “Dungeon nerf list”
For real, wouldn't be shocked if blizzard hits each and every one of these in the next few weeks
Right after that little campfire chat with comunity :D
@@Ankhergaming 😂🔥
I don't think they want to nerf nightmare dungeons.
@@fatandfluffy220 But they will to "balance" them. Anything that's way more efficient than another comparable dungeon will probably get nerfed.
Hey man, I just want to say that me and my friends exclusively play hardcore on D4 and you're an invaluable resource to us. Videos like this have streamlined our playtime a lot which really helps because we all have day jobs. We really appreciate you!
You are an insane resource for the community. Apprec the regular videos for all of us min/max nerds
Ya man finding all type of info on those vod
that spreadsheet is absolutely fucking phenomenal for helping other players figure out the ideal strats/avoiding particularly bad dungeons. absolutely massive Wudi!
is the list only for nightmare dugeons? I'm trying to figure out what to do to level, just hit 50 and world teir 3
@@JJVENMONZ fun fact, nightmare dungeons are available to you at level 50 wt3. If you're just dungeon farming, just do like Uldars Cave or Siccorro Caverns. Very easy dungeons to clear solo, easier w group, pretty good xp.
Best Diablo 4 content on TH-cam.
thanks and appreciate the support!
Appreciate everything you all do at Maxroll! As a working family man I have minimal time to play but the guides are very helpful....as long as Blizz keeps thier nerfing hands off them long enough for the common man to enjoy the game.
The nerfing hands shall touch all things! redundancy when they implement teleporting to nightmare dungeons(soon)...the xp reliability when they add mechanics/versatility, to difficulty rating when they balance classes/monster abilities...
@@YaksenPushMongo competent issue? Lol there's nothing skill related in my comment.
Wow, this is amazing. You're by far the best Diablo 4 TH-camr imo. Great work, thanks!
Thanks for the video I was looking for a video like this. You and Raxx are my favorite diablo guys. Thanks for the content
You are a blessing to this community
hi wudi, just some feedback. adding the option to filter out entire columns or sort by ranking for a given column would increase the readability a lot. some excel-wizard in your community could probably take care of that pretty easily.
Also, it would be great if the abscence of an end boss would be a bit more clear.
Playing on my Grizzly Druid right now and without the shockwave aspect single-target ist just horrible. so i'm more than fine spending more time in the dungeons even with annoying objectives if i don't have to fight a boss for 90 seconds (especially coming from tb rogue where they are basically one-shot).
thanks for the list anyway great job!
This is exactly what every player needs once in T4. Max respect for the time and work out into this document. Hopefully, as blizzard changes, we will be able to update the google docs and keep it relevant.
Ya man that start to get weird trying to find wich dungeon to do haha
@@Dolbecftw I kinda like the endgame, but between having to stash and salvage sigils, the random affixes and the huge difference in runtimes theres just too much friction. I really have to force myself to run dungeons in a row, not because I dont enjoy them, but because I run back to chest everytime and get lost looking at my sigils
Elite density, especially at the start would be interesting.
Especially with how you can reset dungeon right now, the early part of a dungeon is super important and I would love to know which ones are better/worse
Love this video, this is by far one of the most in-depth explanation, and you have taken the time to make the document, very nice! thx
Doing the Lord's work. Appreciate all the passion you got for this game and sharing your insight with the community. Keep doing you, Wudijo
Thanks for this. It's on my home screen now. I really needed it. I'm using the same method of leveling in these glyph dungeons.
Last comment lol: Quill Fiends + Cold Enhanced = incredibly frustrating and deadly, agreed.
Thank you Wudi. Awesome content creator ... grounded, sensible and fact-based with no clickbait/drama/overhype.
Oak be with you wudijo! Was anticipating this video so much lately!
Was patiently waiting for this video. Thank you for everything you do.
Thanks Wudijo, your content is always great! 😬👍
Absolutely subbing, this document is s tier, and you are s tier, thank you bro, this is amazing. I appreciate you
Wudijo thank you so much for bein a voice of reason. I'm not saying Blizzard is not at fault at all but ther're so many ridiculous opinions flying around that the real issues that actually matter for most people playing get lost in the noise. Btw Guulrahn Canals is definitely my favorite dungeon right now. Hope it continues to slip under the radar.
Been waiting for this! Thank you sir for your hard work!
Wudijo, you're awesome. Thanks a lot for all the work you're doing and sharing freely. 🙂
Thank you for always providing so much information! It’s very appreciated!
great stuff man, I enjoy your knowledge of the game!
Incredibly useful, thanks for the hard work!
Adderal document lol Good work my man. Lots of time spent on this topic.
Thank you Wudijo! You are such a saint.
What an dedicated person you are! i love your content, keep up the good work.
This whole list is an S TIER in itself! Thank you so much for this
Thank you for sharing this. Great content as always.
Concerning the “Intermission” dungeons. I noticed they never drop any loot. Do they not reward experience as well?
they dont hope they fix it soon
I was looking forward to this video thanks !
If you run zenith in a group of min 3 people it's actually pretty great. It's actually one of my fav dungeons
Tks for putting this up together. What is the group farm column mean? When u go as a party
Is good that I found your channel, great job with the content and the guides 👌👍
His content helped me get high on the D3 leaderboard. He also basically told us to stop playing Immortal, so I trust him with Diablo content lol.
@@sodapopinksi667 right now I'm lvl 87 but this will help. Me a lot to lvl faster
how do u get specific nightmarekeys for a dungeon?
That’s the problem honestly. You can’t really choose which ones you want to make. You can only pick the tier range and make random ones. I prefer to blast one map so it’s pretty annoying to me.
Stuff like Serpent's Lair may be good for pushing for ranged builds, but not so much for melee. Those serpents stun lock you sooo often as melee. And I'm speaking as someone playing a melee build with very good uptime on Unstoppable. Classes that don't have that would fare even worse.
I think you should've prefaced this. I think someone should also do tier list for pushing for short range/melee builds as well.
agree, those ents in maulwood slap hard or the quillbeast in aldurwood give them frost enchant and they become a nightmare themself, also the boars seems to have kinda buggy hitbox, not fun as melee imo
just in time.. thank you wudi :D just hit level 100 yesterday
This is great! I definitely similar feelings on most of these dungeons! lol
I have had Maugan's Works and Whispering Pines bug out after the boss and not give the Awakend Glyphstone at the end. Have you encountered that?
Thank you, for your work! Very good job
Awesome that you break it down for Exp and Glyph Leveling. I prefer Nightmare dungeon then resetting dungeon. I hope they buff the rewards for nightmare dungeons.
so incredibly useful thank you!
Hey, just a quick question: How do i get a specific Sigil for a region or even a dungeon? Do I just craft them at the occultist and try to find the good ones? Or is there any other trick
You are a blessing for new players like myself!
With the nightmare dungeon reset what NMD would be best to farm without completing
Awesome.. now I just have to check all the gear I have farmed and not bothered to check and go for the wold tier 4 :)
Thanks Wudi. 👑
love the idea of nightmare dungeons but the have to buff the experience and loot drops per rank to scale with dungeon tier. It will incentivize people looking to push.
Cant wait to see what the seasons for d4 will be
Loving the tier list so far, just go a specific question, maybe y'all can chip in. Shivta Ruins is at a C when it comes to Glyph farming and you have its time listed at 4min. The dungeon is really short though, as you see in the sheet just find 2 stones and go straight to a boss. I run solo all the time so I cant compare our times really, but I cant imagine it being that slow compared to other dungeons which you did just as fast, but with 2 Objectives and an intermission. I was surprised how quick I went through it
Travel time
Thank you for doing this good sir!
Been looking for a good tier list of the dungeons, Thank you so much for the work you put into your list
Thanks for the hard work sir
thx! thats actualy alot of work.
Thanks for posting this
How about nightmare dungeons to farm Unique items? Should i focus on running trough dungeon fast and hope for end drop or dungeon with lot of elites ?
That was a lot of work. Great tribute to the Diablo IV community
@wudijo I know its different for all classes but can u make a list what affixes on the sigils u should watch out for in hardcore plzzzzz
Great resource, gonna save the spreadsheet for sure
Crazy vid like always!
Is there a plan to update this list as the travel time now is instant after the patch?
This is exactly what i wanted to know the most, how did this guy so lightyear ahead
Wodi what's the best build for rogue keep up the amazing work
Honestly I agree with you on almost everything, except Champ's Demise for pushing. Those shamans make me want to hard avoid....
I had the same thought. I don't know what kind of mechanic is operating there--reflect damage? Feels like you nuke yourself on certain hits/targets
Is there maybe a build guide to the Rapidfire build? Also what would you say is better: Barrage or Rapidfire?
That spreadsheet is a gold mine! Would you consider adding some recommend elixirs for each dungeon?
depending on the enemy types of the dungeons, which is listed in the spreadsheet, just use the appropriate elixir that gives you more damage against them.
What about a comparison between the total time to complete a dungeon with the total time backtracking. Backtracking timed with a direct route, not with naturally taking the wrong/not optimal path. Would take a pretty long time to gather that I would imagine
When I do NM I care more about the affix of the dungeon than its location.
Same. I don’t mind riding to a dungeon with good affixes.
Meh there's only a couple that actually suck. I think when we are talking clear times of 3-4 minutes, a 2 minute ride there is quite significant
If you get one with the right affixes you can run it forever in a loop (until fixed). So you can get perfect affixes on the perfect dungeon unless you care about the glyph exp more than the char exp and loot ofc.
@@izaruburs9389 what do you mean run it forever in a loop?
@@blazedehart2748 You can Open a nightmare dungeon and reset it forever with an unintended bug. There are videos out there on how to do it and as of right now it still works.
great work :) ty!
Wudi, you are the best. Thank you.
Will you update this please when the "travel time" is removed from consideration? Since Blizzard said they will make us teleport to nightmare dungeons soon
Onix hold feels pretty bad for XP, did you testet it, or are that just youre feelings? For my Arc lash sorc its not that great i think
Thanks so much ♥
Is this tier list going to get updated?
I'm guessing your going to go back through and rerank them when the update comes through where there's no travel time to the dungeon?
any tips to push into higher tiers? hitting the wall around tier 65. even normal trash mobs one shot you with 11k health, 11k fort, 11k armor and Damage reduction everywhere it can go.
Do you find Rapid Fire better than Death Trap for nightmare?
Ancient's Lament has actually been my S tier for glyph levelling as Werebear.
Can you add the ability for us to sort it? If not what about allowing us to be able to copy it to our own spreadsheet so we can sort by our objective
wait what? zenith is one of my favs with barb..so packed, easy to keep shouts up
Is there a buried halls nightmare cause there's a lot of exp in normal dungeons
Great video. However, can you please update the spreadsheet now that we can fast travel to the dungeons?
this video is like 5 months old, I have a video for S2 tierlist
Thank you I'll look for it.@@wudijo
Sunken Ruins should be an S tier for Glyph leveling. I constantly do it in under 2 mins. First part the stones are almost right next to the door. Second part requires no switches you can just run right though and third part the 3 skeleton constructs 2 are right there and the last one is 2 screens up, Kill the elite at end and you get the bubble and done. Repeat
Is it true farming a dungeon higher than 3 levels relative to your character doesn't give more character XP? I've been doing dungeons 10 levels higher than me (red mobs) thinking I am getting better XP
3 lvls u get 25%+ exp but it’s the same the higher lvl cap so no point in being much higher other then Glyph exp at the end
What is this blue trail you leave behind?
Rapid Fire Rogue written guide when? :(
Do you know where the most xp is coming from? Is it good to kill many elites or is it better to fight good trash? How much worth is it to do Dungeon events, or cursed shrines?
I absolutely love the way nightmare dungeons are designed, with most dungeons having strengths and weaknesses, and different uses. The prospect of having an ever evolving nightmare dungeon meta where we're not only theory crafting our build, but also theory crafting our progression route using nightmare dungeons.
This very much feels reminiscent of D2 where any given build had specific farming routes depending on their level of progression. I truly hope Blizzard sticks to their guns on some of these design philosophies, and doesn't cater to the vocal minority who just want the game streamlined into oblivion. Nuance/depth and interesting and difficult choices should be design tenants.
Is this a meme
@@rickybigdam8127 blizzard paid him
Thanks for sharing :)
So the sigil is random meaning you cannot choose which one you want to make a nightmare, or can you stand near the one you want and use sigil to make nightmare?
No it's random in the fact when a sigil drops or is created the dungeon is already chosen. You have no contribution to that but can pick and choose which dungeon/affix you want to run.
There's "only" 30 NM dungeons (or rotation at least currently), as opposed to 115 regular ones, so you have a decent chance at getting a few duplicates or triplicates of the ones you're looking for. Either from drops or crafted. All that remains is to sift trough the affixes and maybe avoid want you don't like (important particularly for the pushing side).
@@sentient2016 thanks!
@@robertstan298 alright!
@@robertstan298 1/30 isn't a "decent" change mate.
What a ridiculous sentence... lol
can someone explain to me the shortcut on aldurwood? or what he means by it?
Does anyone now which normal dungeons are best, regarding that 1-50 range? Im currently liking Garan Hold very much, feels like its more rewarding than atleast Aldur Woods and Burrows...
how can we get the NM sigil for a specific dungeon ?
Thanks!
Perhaps a silly question here. When in T3, I got these tokens from the whisperer to turn a dungeon into a KM dungeon. I thought once playing on T3, they all were?
Also, how do you reset a dungeon exactly?
Also also, should I worry about upgrading gear and aspects as I level, or just crack on?
If anyone can respond, I'd appreciate it.
how are you doing nightmare dungeons 1-50?