Sorry for being "that guy", but there is some technicalities that need clarifying... 1:40 - Matsumura Sokon isn't the father of Shorin Ryu Karate. I think there may be a confusion because Matsumura Sokon influenced so much people and is a great Shuri-te legendary master from which a lot of big names in karate trace their roots (Mabuni, Chibana, Motobu, Kyan and of course Gichin Funakoshi himself). But he was long gone, by the time "Shorin Ryu" was founded by Chibana Choshin. You may argue that Matsumura's system is what became Shorin Ryu anyway, and the title of founder of shorin ryu is right, but it is not. Other styles like Shito ryu, Shotokan, Shorinji-ryu also derive from his teachings. Matsumura never heard the term "Shorin Ryu" to refer to his teachings. 2:05 - "Samurai roots" is just weird. I know what you meant, but using the term "Samurai" is a bit cringey. The term we're looking for is "Pechin", not Samurai. 2:08 - The name of the Shorin Ryus may sound the same, but it actually uses different kanji. To avoid confusion, most schools will use the full name: Matsubayashiryu, Kobayashiryu, Sukunaihayashi, and then "Shorin ryu" as a sufix.
@@stingeraudiobooks8586 Not exactly sure which style you're referring to, but I'm going to assume you mean Matsubayashi-ryu. which is just 1 of many Shorin-ryu "variations". Nagamine (who, in some circles, is a controversial figure for claiming Kyan as his teacher) IS the founder of Matsubayashi-Ryu. Which is one of the more widely spread Shorin-ryu "styles". If you're saying that your dojo credits him as the "founder of Shorin Ryu", that's plain and simply wrong or whoever told you that has a huge misunderstanding of what Shorin-ryu is. See, the problem is that back in the day (in case you don't know this), karateka like Kyan, Funakoshi, Mabuni, etc... didn't train "karate" they trained Tode/Tudi (however they are writing it this week) and that is important because Tode styles were named after the place where they learned their style. Shuri-te was the te style learned in Shuri (usually by royalty and taugth by shuri-castle guards and officers), Tomari-te and Naha-te were learned in Tomari and Naha respectively. It was rare that a practitioner learened only 1 single style. They usually learned at least 2, but practitioners were always heavily focused (on influenced) by just 1. "Shorin Ryu" usually referrs to teachings derived from the Shuri-te style, because the founder that first used the term "Shorin-Ryu" to name his teachings was Choshin Chibana, but others used the same name to refer to other variants. For example, my style Shorin Ryu Seibukan or Sukunaihashiryu Shorin Ryu, is not derived from Chibana, but from Chotoku Kyan's Te, which descended from both Shuri-te and Tomari-te. Meaning, it's still shuri-te, but with an important Tomari-te influence and that's why it's different from Kobayashiryu Shorin Ryu (Chibana's) and Nagamine's Matsubayashiryu Shorin Ryu. So I guess the simplest way of explaining this is, that "Shorin Ryu" became this universal term for referring to anything that was associated to Shuri-te in the past. And that creates a "problem". You have Shorin-ryu for "pure" Shuri-te (Chibana's Kobayashiryu), You have versions of Shorin Ryu that keep some Shuri-te but are heavily influenced by Tomari-te like Zenryo Shimabukuro's Sukunaihayashiryu, and Joen Nakazato's Shorinji-ryu (which is also a Shorin ryu variation) and then you have Matusbayashiryu, which is Nagamine's style which takes Kobayashiryu and refreshes it with more Tomari-te and more Shuri-te (you probably know more about this than me, this is just what I've heard). So, as you can see, same basic recipie, different proportions. Conclusion, there really isn't a "Shorin-Ryu founder" but it is widely accepted that Choshin Chibana is the "official" founder of "Shorin Ryu" because he was the first person to use that term, but several others used it too not too long after that. In the specific case of Nagamine, his "variation" is Matsubayashiryu Shorin-ryu and he IS the founder of that banch.
My great uncle is Frank Grant. If you know Shorin Ryu you know my uncle. 10th Dan and highest ranking American. My dad studied under him and talked highly of the man he was. Rip
Foot vs. ribcage. Foot wins. Fist vs. nose. Fist wins. All styles are "effective." Modern MMA practitioners have a financial incentive to trash talk traditional styles.
And the SHORTCUT propaganda to a faster and better training, which is of course not true. If it were true boxing for example, another TRADITIONAL art, would be just a dance... or wrestling... another traditional art... if their claims would be true.
@@benjaminyoung9694 ive met many. I've also met many who are very open minded and will learn anything they can. But in general, MMA got as big as it did being the anti-Karate. You can't beat the marketing. I think things can change, but the mainstream is not what it used to be.
I did studied that for many years. Before music became my main thing. I remind big seances of training when masters right from okinawa were coming from 7 and 9 th Dan and did the seance with us, and also were kind of jury .
Trained Shorin Ryu about 5-6 years back in the day And few times i had to use it. Worked like a charm on average drunk bread eater even few at the same time ( was bouncer for few years )
woah im 23 now but at 10 years old i started going to shorin ryu karate i went for 2 years and reached the blue belt unfortunately i didnt have time to keep going as i also played soccer and went to school :(
@@malmsProject thanks for the video. 👊🏻 I’ve done Shorin Ryu for 36 years . There are different styles of Shorin Ryu I’m sure you know that, I do Matsubayashi Ryu. Choki Motobu was the first one to be asked to teach the Japanese the RyuKyu kingdom style of Karate . But he declined because he thought he didn’t have the knowledge of the Japanese culture down that well so he asked Funakoshi to teach them. Which he did and that’s why you have Shotokan . Okinawan karate is more fluid with a lot of Chinese influences. But the reason they asked motobu was because they watched him defeat the Russian fighter that was there challenging all the Japanese , which the Russian beat them so the story goes . The Japanese didn’t know much about Okinawan karate at that time. And the word Karate didn’t even come about until later. It was Naha Te, Tomari Te , Shuri Te once upon a time.
@@johnreidy2804 I don't think they're quite different. Many similarities between them with slight modifications. Shotokan is considered a "child" of shorin ryu. In fact, gichin funakoshi was a student of shorin ryu and shorei ryu, both came from shuri te.
To the people who went and brought this all together may I point out that you are speaking about shorin-ryu karate and whether or not it is effective! It is this subject and this reason why people are tuning in to this particular segment! Please keep that in mind no one cares about the MMA or anyting else when you are talking about the subject matter that you are talkin this is not an avenue for a Segway into looking into another art like MMA or whatever other styles you were talking about! That's the problem with today's martial artist everybody is looking for a quick fix or a quick avenue to a ultimate position in their life! But I will remind you of of an old saying and that is this! "The longest way to a destination of proficiency is a shortcut"!!!
In USA the shidokan beikokukan is a great school of shorin ryu with sensei Seikichi Iha, former student of Miyahira Katsuya (founder of shidokan shorin ryu in Okinawa). Sensei Iha teachs karates shorin ryu in Michigan.
People said shorin ryu is the oldest and the last karate and they said no one train shorin ryu in this modern but you can go to the Philippines, Tarlac there a master who train shorin ryu karate movement and my master was also a trainer of army forces and teach about kali, judo, and shorin ryu karate
Yes it is! I have used it in real self defense scenario and since this style was designed for war it’s ver effective. Now to be honest I have incorporated Judo, wrestling, boxing, BJJ, and FMA into my Shorin Ryu to create a well rounded system but practicing any good MA style is good!!
Is it effective? YES. It has saved my butt many times. From an attack by 4 kids while in high school, by a self proclaimed black belt in Kempo… who kissed a concrete pillar, in college, several times in Hong Kong, and now. This is a very effective style. It teaches you take a glancing blow to deliver your strike, but also teaches you to fight without fighting (dodging). I know ther are more “hard core” styles, but get within my sphere…
I’d like to see a video of you fighting in kickboxing. The problem is that you would have to find rules that would be in your advantage. Most sport fighting is a disadvantage to traditional styles that are meant for life and death situations.
Yes if it’s written like this: 少林 but if it’s written 小林 then it’s young pine tree or Kobayashi. Matsubayashi would be 松. All referred to as Shorin ryu.
This guy has no idea what you're talking about. Shorin ryu is not a combination of Chinese and Japanese martial arts. Japanese karate comes from Okinawan karate.
One part of that is wrong because Shorin Ryu comes from Ryukyu kempo in Okinawa and foes have southern Chinese influences from Tiger 🐅 and crane styled in the kata I have practiced both but Japanese karate is based on Okinawan Kempo and Shorin Ryu was first!
@@mikewelch2629 the Chinese influence on Shuri-te special comes from Southern Shaolin Boxing. Not Tiger or Crane. For Naha-te and Tomari-te, it's Fujian White Crane.
Apparently MALMS (Martial Arts Legends, Myths, Stories) tells stories pertaining to legends that overemphasizes MYTHS. The author/orator needs to do his homework better. There are way too many inaccuracies for me to subscribe to this channel.
It's is the man not the art the question should be asked are you confident is man good enough to protect and defend himself you only get one life always remember that this is battle The enemy doesn't rules nor should one who protects & defends himself or if you are aspiring to be a world champion or successful in any aspect which involves using one's self as a weapon to achieve a goal that's the question that should be asking do you believe in yourself that you're the best because when you have to ask that question that means you're lacking confidence and you don't understand the simple truth of battle to be the best to protect & to defend
Anyone going down this rabbit hole of what martial arts are effective and what aren't...let me save you a bunch of time: It's the Indian and not the arrow. There are martial arts that are broadly considered effective - MMA, wrestling, bjj, boxing, muay thai, kickboxing, etc... but you if have no guts and no spirit it won't work as well as it could. If you are not fit they won't work as well as it could. If you emotionally and mentally aren't up to the task, it doesn't matter what you practice. Ultimately striking is striking and grappling is grappling, no matter the style. There are only so many ways for a human body to move. The concepts of leverage, timing, concentration of force, deception, etc... are universal. If you ever are truly wondering what can work, just get a buddy or find a class that rolls/spars/drills and start experimenting. Random youtubers are all opinion. And we know what opinions are like. Everyone has one. Usually it's just things they heard, didn't critically think about, have little to no experience with, and vomited back onto the internet for content. Study is fine. Theory is fine. But you have to get out there and play and mix it up. End of story.
I am not sure at all that Chinese masters have ever really taught the complete essence of their art to japonese fighters .... This provides the actual "old karate schools" Sorry. But I do like anyway the japonese way of transforming those approaching techniques onto the japonese spirit .... Thank you to have read my sending.
Je pense que la barrière de la langue à aussi jouer son rôle, les Japonais ont compris ce qu'il pouvait et ont rempli le reste avec ce qu'ils connaissaient.
Well, I got in a fight with a shorin ryu black belt. I used snake style against him and broke his nose, which ended the fight. So, in this instance, no it wasn't effective. Seems like it could be though.
Sorry for being "that guy", but there is some technicalities that need clarifying...
1:40 - Matsumura Sokon isn't the father of Shorin Ryu Karate. I think there may be a confusion because Matsumura Sokon influenced so much people and is a great Shuri-te legendary master from which a lot of big names in karate trace their roots (Mabuni, Chibana, Motobu, Kyan and of course Gichin Funakoshi himself). But he was long gone, by the time "Shorin Ryu" was founded by Chibana Choshin. You may argue that Matsumura's system is what became Shorin Ryu anyway, and the title of founder of shorin ryu is right, but it is not. Other styles like Shito ryu, Shotokan, Shorinji-ryu also derive from his teachings. Matsumura never heard the term "Shorin Ryu" to refer to his teachings.
2:05 - "Samurai roots" is just weird. I know what you meant, but using the term "Samurai" is a bit cringey. The term we're looking for is "Pechin", not Samurai.
2:08 - The name of the Shorin Ryus may sound the same, but it actually uses different kanji. To avoid confusion, most schools will use the full name: Matsubayashiryu, Kobayashiryu, Sukunaihayashi, and then "Shorin ryu" as a sufix.
then where does Shōshin Nagamine fit into this because my dojo credits him the founder of this style
@@stingeraudiobooks8586 Not exactly sure which style you're referring to, but I'm going to assume you mean Matsubayashi-ryu. which is just 1 of many Shorin-ryu "variations". Nagamine (who, in some circles, is a controversial figure for claiming Kyan as his teacher) IS the founder of Matsubayashi-Ryu. Which is one of the more widely spread Shorin-ryu "styles". If you're saying that your dojo credits him as the "founder of Shorin Ryu", that's plain and simply wrong or whoever told you that has a huge misunderstanding of what Shorin-ryu is. See, the problem is that back in the day (in case you don't know this), karateka like Kyan, Funakoshi, Mabuni, etc... didn't train "karate" they trained Tode/Tudi (however they are writing it this week) and that is important because Tode styles were named after the place where they learned their style. Shuri-te was the te style learned in Shuri (usually by royalty and taugth by shuri-castle guards and officers), Tomari-te and Naha-te were learned in Tomari and Naha respectively. It was rare that a practitioner learened only 1 single style. They usually learned at least 2, but practitioners were always heavily focused (on influenced) by just 1. "Shorin Ryu" usually referrs to teachings derived from the Shuri-te style, because the founder that first used the term "Shorin-Ryu" to name his teachings was Choshin Chibana, but others used the same name to refer to other variants. For example, my style Shorin Ryu Seibukan or Sukunaihashiryu Shorin Ryu, is not derived from Chibana, but from Chotoku Kyan's Te, which descended from both Shuri-te and Tomari-te. Meaning, it's still shuri-te, but with an important Tomari-te influence and that's why it's different from Kobayashiryu Shorin Ryu (Chibana's) and Nagamine's Matsubayashiryu Shorin Ryu. So I guess the simplest way of explaining this is, that "Shorin Ryu" became this universal term for referring to anything that was associated to Shuri-te in the past. And that creates a "problem". You have Shorin-ryu for "pure" Shuri-te (Chibana's Kobayashiryu), You have versions of Shorin Ryu that keep some Shuri-te but are heavily influenced by Tomari-te like Zenryo Shimabukuro's Sukunaihayashiryu, and Joen Nakazato's Shorinji-ryu (which is also a Shorin ryu variation) and then you have Matusbayashiryu, which is Nagamine's style which takes Kobayashiryu and refreshes it with more Tomari-te and more Shuri-te (you probably know more about this than me, this is just what I've heard). So, as you can see, same basic recipie, different proportions. Conclusion, there really isn't a "Shorin-Ryu founder" but it is widely accepted that Choshin Chibana is the "official" founder of "Shorin Ryu" because he was the first person to use that term, but several others used it too not too long after that. In the specific case of Nagamine, his "variation" is Matsubayashiryu Shorin-ryu and he IS the founder of that banch.
@@danielromero8999 👍👍👍
My great uncle is Frank Grant. If you know Shorin Ryu you know my uncle. 10th Dan and highest ranking American. My dad studied under him and talked highly of the man he was. Rip
i train under one of his students never met him but i hear a lot of great story's
Foot vs. ribcage. Foot wins. Fist vs. nose. Fist wins. All styles are "effective." Modern MMA practitioners have a financial incentive to trash talk traditional styles.
Truth.
Thanks for watching!
And the SHORTCUT propaganda to a faster and better training, which is of course not true.
If it were true boxing for example, another TRADITIONAL art, would be just a dance... or wrestling... another traditional art... if their claims would be true.
Didn't see your bish ass at the kumite
This is such a strange take to have since so many successful mma guys are karate bros
@@benjaminyoung9694 ive met many. I've also met many who are very open minded and will learn anything they can. But in general, MMA got as big as it did being the anti-Karate. You can't beat the marketing. I think things can change, but the mainstream is not what it used to be.
Jim Kelly 1946-2013 studied and taught Shorin-ryu. Mike Stone also taught and studied Shorin-ryu as well.
Yes a lot of good masters.
Thanks for watching!
Also Bill "Superfoot" Wallace & late Joe Lewis.
@@malmsProject You're welcome. Osu. 👊🏼🐉🐅🔥
@@ronaldlee7566 Thanks for mentioning them. Osu. 👊🏼🐉🐅🔥
@errolthomas9426 You're welcome Ma'am/Sir😊
I feel honored to have the shorin ryu logo on my karategi
This narrator is reading the Wikipedia post on Shorin Ryu word for word
I did studied that for many years.
Before music became my main thing.
I remind big seances of training when masters right from okinawa were coming from 7 and 9 th Dan and did the seance with us, and also were kind of jury .
Trained Shorin Ryu about 5-6 years back in the day And few times i had to use it. Worked like a charm on average drunk bread eater even few at the same time ( was bouncer for few years )
woah im 23 now but at 10 years old i started going to shorin ryu karate i went for 2 years and reached the blue belt unfortunately i didnt have time to keep going as i also played soccer and went to school :(
Correct me if i'm wrong but the man on the right at 0:21 is Masayuki Shimabukuro?
Great demonstration of Pinan Shodan @ 1:48!
Huh; this is similar to the karate style I learned, shotokan washin ryu. It uses a lot of similar stances and strikes.
Close to yes
Shorin ryu is an Okinawan style Shotokan is a Japanese style. They are quite different friend
@@malmsProject thanks for the video. 👊🏻 I’ve done Shorin Ryu for 36 years . There are different styles of Shorin Ryu I’m sure you know that, I do Matsubayashi Ryu. Choki Motobu was the first one to be asked to teach the Japanese the RyuKyu kingdom style of Karate . But he declined because he thought he didn’t have the knowledge of the Japanese culture down that well so he asked Funakoshi to teach them. Which he did and that’s why you have Shotokan . Okinawan karate is more fluid with a lot of Chinese influences. But the reason they asked motobu was because they watched him defeat the Russian fighter that was there challenging all the Japanese , which the Russian beat them so the story goes . The Japanese didn’t know much about Okinawan karate at that time. And the word Karate didn’t even come about until later. It was Naha Te, Tomari Te , Shuri Te once upon a time.
@@johnreidy2804 I don't think they're quite different. Many similarities between them with slight modifications. Shotokan is considered a "child" of shorin ryu. In fact, gichin funakoshi was a student of shorin ryu and shorei ryu, both came from shuri te.
To the people who went and brought this all together may I point out that you are speaking about shorin-ryu karate and whether or not it is effective!
It is this subject and this reason why people are tuning in to this particular segment! Please keep that in mind no one cares about the MMA or anyting else when you are talking about the subject matter that you are talkin this is not an avenue for a Segway into looking into another art like MMA or whatever other styles you were talking about!
That's the problem with today's martial artist everybody is looking for a quick fix or a quick avenue to a ultimate position in their life!
But I will remind you of of an old saying and that is this! "The longest way to a destination of proficiency is a shortcut"!!!
I did it when I was a teenager, and it totally works
I’d say any karate works if you train to fight.
In USA the shidokan beikokukan is a great school of shorin ryu with sensei Seikichi Iha, former student of Miyahira Katsuya (founder of shidokan shorin ryu in Okinawa). Sensei Iha teachs karates shorin ryu in Michigan.
People said shorin ryu is the oldest and the last karate and they said no one train shorin ryu in this modern but you can go to the Philippines, Tarlac there a master who train shorin ryu karate movement and my master was also a trainer of army forces and teach about kali, judo, and shorin ryu karate
Yes it is! I have used it in real self defense scenario and since this style was designed for war it’s ver effective. Now to be honest I have incorporated Judo, wrestling, boxing, BJJ, and FMA into my Shorin Ryu to create a well rounded system but practicing any good MA style is good!!
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Is it effective? YES. It has saved my butt many times. From an attack by 4 kids while in high school, by a self proclaimed black belt in Kempo… who kissed a concrete pillar, in college, several times in Hong Kong, and now. This is a very effective style. It teaches you take a glancing blow to deliver your strike, but also teaches you to fight without fighting (dodging). I know ther are more “hard core” styles, but get within my sphere…
I’d like to see a video of you fighting in kickboxing. The problem is that you would have to find rules that would be in your advantage. Most sport fighting is a disadvantage to traditional styles that are meant for life and death situations.
Gotta work on them audio edits
I want to learn ryu's Style
Ryu didn't do Shorin Ryu
Shorin simply is Japanese for Shaolin
Yes if it’s written like this: 少林 but if it’s written 小林 then it’s young pine tree or Kobayashi. Matsubayashi would be 松. All referred to as Shorin ryu.
That's interesting. In Cantonese Shaolin is Bok Siu Lum (or White Small Forest).
This guy has no idea what you're talking about. Shorin ryu is not a combination of Chinese and Japanese martial arts. Japanese karate comes from Okinawan karate.
Okinawan Te originates from Chinese styles like White Crane Kung Fu and Monk Fist Boxing, so what he is saying is correct.
Yeah man karate came from China called "empty hand"
Yeah, but Okinawan styles were created with Chinese Martial Arts influence
One part of that is wrong because Shorin Ryu comes from Ryukyu kempo in Okinawa and foes have southern Chinese influences from Tiger 🐅 and crane styled in the kata I have practiced both but Japanese karate is based on Okinawan Kempo and Shorin Ryu was first!
@@mikewelch2629 the Chinese influence on Shuri-te special comes from Southern Shaolin Boxing. Not Tiger or Crane. For Naha-te and Tomari-te, it's Fujian White Crane.
SHORIN RYU KARATE STILL SHARES IT'S PARENTHOOD WITH KAJUKENBO, RYU TE KARATE, KENPO KARATE, CHUN KUK DO, GOJU RYU KARATE, SHAOLIN KEMPO KARATE, KYOKUSHIN KARATE, UECHI RYU KARATE, AND ASHIHARA KAIKAN KARATE!
Apparently MALMS (Martial Arts Legends, Myths, Stories) tells stories pertaining to legends that overemphasizes MYTHS. The author/orator needs to do his homework better. There are way too many inaccuracies for me to subscribe to this channel.
Ok. Will try to do it better
Thanks WOW THAT'S AWESOME
Glad you like it
It's is the man not the art the question should be asked are you confident is man good enough to protect and defend himself you only get one life always remember that this is battle The enemy doesn't rules nor should one who protects & defends himself or if you are aspiring to be a world champion or successful in any aspect which involves using one's self as a weapon to achieve a goal that's the question that should be asking do you believe in yourself that you're the best because when you have to ask that question that means you're lacking confidence and you don't understand the simple truth of battle to be the best to protect & to defend
Anyone going down this rabbit hole of what martial arts are effective and what aren't...let me save you a bunch of time: It's the Indian and not the arrow. There are martial arts that are broadly considered effective - MMA, wrestling, bjj, boxing, muay thai, kickboxing, etc... but you if have no guts and no spirit it won't work as well as it could. If you are not fit they won't work as well as it could. If you emotionally and mentally aren't up to the task, it doesn't matter what you practice. Ultimately striking is striking and grappling is grappling, no matter the style. There are only so many ways for a human body to move. The concepts of leverage, timing, concentration of force, deception, etc... are universal. If you ever are truly wondering what can work, just get a buddy or find a class that rolls/spars/drills and start experimenting. Random youtubers are all opinion. And we know what opinions are like. Everyone has one. Usually it's just things they heard, didn't critically think about, have little to no experience with, and vomited back onto the internet for content. Study is fine. Theory is fine. But you have to get out there and play and mix it up. End of story.
With a good sprawl & toro!, this could be amazingly effective.
I am not sure at all that Chinese masters have ever really taught the complete essence of their art to japonese fighters .... This provides the actual "old karate schools"
Sorry.
But I do like anyway the japonese way of transforming those approaching techniques onto the japonese spirit ....
Thank you to have read my sending.
Je pense que la barrière de la langue à aussi jouer son rôle, les Japonais ont compris ce qu'il pouvait et ont rempli le reste avec ce qu'ils connaissaient.
first of all thats shotokan guys on your thumbnail
Melhor, mais original e eficaz estilo do Karate.
Why does the speaker sound like an AI voice narrating traffic news?
Nope
Nope what
Nope?
@@kbanghart He's saying that Shorin Ryu isn't effective!
@@dakentaijutsu2010 which is a shame, bc it is effective.
@@kbanghart I think all Karate styles can be effective, do you train in Shorin Ryu?
Well, I got in a fight with a shorin ryu black belt. I used snake style against him and broke his nose, which ended the fight. So, in this instance, no it wasn't effective. Seems like it could be though.
A black belt doesn't mean he knows how to fight, you just lucky because your are superior fighter. Its all about the user, not the art.
Fact is Snake style is far more bullshido than Shorin.
Shorin ryu is most flexible than goju o shito ryu