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Something a lot of people don't realize about Aikido. The students who started out doing aikido were already some of Kono sensei's best judoka...…. they knew how to throw people and fight already.
If you understand how traditional martial arts work you'll find that gaining skill is always a linear progression. People overlook that the word pacifist ends with FIST. If you can't actually end a conflict with violence you can't _choose_ non-violence.
Aikido was never meant to be learnt on it's own. My master described it as a Martial Yoga, adjacent to Tai Chi. Other martial arts will teach you how to be effectively violent. Aikido teaches how to control your violence.
@N8_R @N8_R Your master may well know but from your explanation I'm not convinced that you do.
Both Aikido and Taiji are skill based arts. Aikido relies heavily on developing your Aiki. Having felt both good taiji and good Aiki both are very every rare skills.
Further both Aikido and Taiji when deployed look rather mundane and sloppy in a duel. So most will denigrate good aiki that they see online.
Tldr Aikido is aikijujitsu plus more Aiki. The more Aiki you develop the less jujitsu you need. Most don't have aiki in their Aikido. Everyone wants to see magic and when they see good aiki they're unimpressed. Those that want to 'fight' don't want aiki and those that want Aiki are put off by the jujitsu. So Aikido is all but dead.
@@sasoriko Haha, I am not sure if I "know" either. It has been a long time since I went to a dojo but I train on my own more just to stay healthy and it is fun.
But I use Aikido as a philosophy in my daily life, where I have been threatened, shot at, etc. To me, the plain English translation for the core idea of Aikido is knowing how to face an opponent who is trying to kill you and win, but don't murder them in return. Sounds pretty brutal and you may disagree, but that is what it comes down to on the functional day to day, call it a dirty Western translation if you like.
Also knowing how to fall and roll without getting hurt has proven useful as I get older.
Whoever says aikido never mean to work on its own knows nothing about Aikido, never learned Aikido and traditional martial art. Aikido is already a perfect art to be learned by itself. There are various logical reasons why old-time people practiced martial art that way.
When i practiced aikido i also went out to spar with friends that dont know the art. Very eye opening. On both ends of the spectrum
One key benefit: beginners and highly advanced students can practice together and still get something out of it. My two clubs (where I'm a member) have a 14 ever old girl of maybe 45 kg and an 86 year old, everything in between and also several really heavy people. Compare this to other martial arts where you need well matched partners or you're always going to lose. It's an art many people practice for life, and that should tell you something.
100% agree!! People should not mistake my comments around a lack of "combat effectiveness" as saying Aikido is useless or serves no purpose. There's a reason why I've stuck with the art.....but among my reasons "martial effectiveness" is not one of them. It's a wonderful art and I love that the 14 year old in your dojo can train with the 86 year old!! I hope I'm still training at 86!! But you mention "always losing". In my experience winning/losing isnt really a concept in Aikido...at least not in the way daily practice is conducted. There's Uke and there's Nage. Outside henka-waza those roles are pre-set and have a prescribed outcomes with each person taking turns being "the attacker" or "the defender". It's expected that Uke attacks in the prescribed way (shomenuchi, yokomenuchi, tsuki etc) nage then responds by apply the prescribed technique that's been demonstrated (kotegaeshi, shihonage, irimi nage, or some pin or stimulation), Uke "receives" the technique and takes the fall or pin or joint lock. They do this a few times perhaps at varying speeds or intensity depending on relative experience...lather rinse repeat. Then roles reverse so each partner gets an opportunity to play both Uke and Nage. "Winning" and "losing" have nothing to do with it as outcomes are pre-determined.
@@neologian1783 Thanks for clarifying the uke-nage relationship. When I mentioned 'losing' I had Judo in mind where it simply sucks if you're up against someone who is heavier, stronger, or much advanced - and he'll likely be bored.
BTW, superb video just out this morning from Ryuji Shirakawa Sensei (ignore the ridiculous title): th-cam.com/video/WyXUPhoTKpA/w-d-xo.html
When you say “heavy” do you mean muscular or fat?
Wow, left watching this video that completely avoids addressing haters. All it does it bolster the argument of haters.
it's t'ai chi for two. if proponents just stick to that instead of promoting it as an effective means of defense then fine.
The art is only as good as its practitioners.... Period.... That applies to ALL martial arts....
Ai in Aikido does not mean Harmony. That is a western mistranslation, it means: join or unify. I unify my power with your power: that is Ai.
harmonise is an adequate translation.
Wow, that was really good. There is something fascinating about Aiquito.
As someone who's into MMA, and have lots of respect for Aikido, my first issue with this school is the part of its philosophy, which is basically against sportsmanship, or serious innovations, but also a fact that the training in orthodox schools of Aikido is focused only on the other, Japanese schools, like Judo or Karate, so people who limit their training to the orthodoxy, lacks any experience against the western schools, especially the MMA, unless they become absolute masters in their school, to make Aikido work as it was intended, what is not possible to schieve for the average Aikidoka, who's not focusing 100% of his or her life on mastering Aikido.
Well said. Aikido is only "hated" by types who think a martial art is only about brawling, a contest ring, and mashing your fellow human into unconsciousness, to get 'a point'. Aikido isn't about any of that. But I think Aikido from the dojo could be adjusted a bit for use in a persistent street reality to defend against someone trying to harm or kill. Meaning, the philosophical part could be momentarily set aside in preference of self preservation or the defence of those you're with. Overall though, when you are in the flow of Aikido technique as either the nage or uke, and feel that energy, its an important, broader understanding to have the pleasure to learn.
The "philosophic" part is only strong in the United States of Dumbness. Every one else practices Aikido with two premises:
a) It has to work
b) I want to learn all techniques
And that is it. You hardly find a German, French, Japanese, or Danish Aikidoka with 2 or 3 years plus experience who's techniques "do not work".
If you tell a Japanese black belt, his stuff does not work, he probably breaks something from you.
If you tell the same to a French, he will point out: by law I have to warn you that I'm actually a black belt. As a black belt in any martial art under French law is an official state recognized degree, and if circumstances permit: you have to warn the other one, that "you are a weapon".
A German or Danish would probably just laugh and walk away.
I do not know about any confrontation where an Aikidoka was involved and the Aikidoka did not "win", basically always to very bad results for the attacker.
People hate what they do not understand. That is why. The most egregious are the ones who fail to understand after studying for years and go on to bad mouth it as if they actually know what they are talking about. It is like a person who thinks that knowing punching, kicking, choking and a bunch of techniques makes them a martial artist. Anyone can learn to kick, punch, choke and go into an MMA ring.... that don't make them martial artists. They might be dangerous, strong, have stamina...like any street thug who picks up things here and there and works out. But they will not be martial artists who practice for another reason besides fighting itself. The fighting ability should be a by product, the insight that is applicable in all areas of life as a result of studying the art and mastering it should be the main goal of a martial artist. Just because you are a martial artist, does not mean you will be the best fighter in the world. That is just as ignorant as labeling a thug street fighter a martial artist just because he can kick or punch.
So you’re basically saying it’s useless in actual combat, but it’s beautiful to look at once you train for years. Here’s the deal, any martial art should increase your chances to survive a fight and overcome your opponents. If it doesn’t achieve that basic goal, it’s an art form and perhaps an interesting self development tool, but you should leave out the “martial” part. Just look at this video and the dancing shows being shown.
No matter how well balanced you are, if you can’t kick ass you’ll get your ass kicked.
@@angrydoggy9170 - You really do not understand what you read do you?
@@angrydoggy9170 - Do you actually think you can kick any ass if you are not better balanced than your opponent?
One person can slash another person to death with great exertion and applied strength. Another person does the same but then refines it to the nth degree so that the same destructive result can be done with minimal effort, physical strength, and with economy of motion... and this person creates a formal routine that distills the principles to their bare states, so much so that it appears far removed from combat.
Yet another person observes the practice without any insight and decides it's just a dance and quite useless in combat. This person conflates the forms and drills as practicing for combat or is combat... and thus makes ignorant conclusions which betray his lack of understanding of what martial arts actually is.
One more time for you friend: Just because you train martial arts. it doesn't mean you will be a good fighter. Just because you can fight well, it doesn't mean you are a martial artist. Stop conflating the two things.
There are martial artists who are very good in combat. There are non-martial artists who are good in combat. That's not the point. One is an art, the other is not. What about this concept do you not understand?
@@matreyia Any martial art is based on a good balance. However some focus too much on. Entail balance and too little on effective combat techniques, making them useless in an actual fight. Aikido is a fine example of an art that is just about useless against a trained opponent. There’s a good reason why you won’t see many Aikido techniques in an actual fight.
But anyway, you are perfectly describing why so many people dislike Aikido.
@@angrydoggy9170 - Without balance and stability, you will have a whale of a time trying to execute effective combat techniques.
I am curious, are you saying that Aikido principles are absent in actual combat? Or are you conflating the Aikido drills and patterns for actual combat itself? How could anyone think that one could use a particular Aikido drill pattern with premeditated motions against a non-premeditated chaotic attack? That's not what they are for. What the premeditated drills are used for is to teach the person principles and sensations in a formalized manner so that in real life, if the person encounters that similar kind of energy, vector, sensation... no matter what the opponent's limbs are doing then the defender knows how to react.
People that pay attention to what kind of punch or kick or tackle is going to be thrown are playing a lottery because the eye cannot see very fast opponent attacks. Thus, one must deal with these facts of life and make appropriate strategies to narrow down the possible dangers first so one has less to process. These are the initial strategies even before contact:
1. your body position in relation to the opponent - place yourself in a place where you can reach him but he cannot reach you with an attack. This can be inside his reach, beyond, or same distance of his reach but the angles to his center adjust accordingly.
2. your body position in direct reaction to his posture - KNOW his posture and all the attacks possible for each posture and relocate accordingly in relation to his posture so that he has to work more to execute. Do not be in a place for an easy attack - don't stand in front of a jabbable or kickable location.
3. Combine your body motion with attack. If you step to avoid, try to add an attack simultaneously to optimize your energy usage and short circuit his visual process. It will appear that you are VERY fast if you move and when you stop, he is also hit. Or if you deflect and he is hit at the same time.
4. Assume his is more conditioned, more physically stronger, and twice as physically fast as you are in kicking, punching and moving his entire body...and abandon these dependencies on your part. So you do not chase his hands or feet to block them, nor do you ever struggle against his power and wrestle against it.
5. Leading him to a constant state of teetering in terms of balance such that he is unaware that his balance is ever so slightly off but you remain always MORE balanced than him. In this way, it will be like pushing over a falling fridge or moving a piece of paper. Keep leading him by constantly moving so he follows constantly thinking he is in control. His posture will not be grounded but rather configured for motion.
6. Do NOT attack tough areas mindlessly like a movie fight. Attack what is unprotectable or anatomically weak. Eyes cannot be conditions nor do they have muscles. Joints do not have muscle, ribs, armpits, fingers, toes, ears, throats, collar bones, knees, kidneys, etc... avoid the "movie" targets like skull top, back of head, chest attacks, shoulders, arms, quads, backs...any area that. can be padded with muscle training. You won't do jack shit punching a huge guy on the chest or abs, but 8 lbs of pressure hitting a collar bone will fuck a man up something fierce.
The appealing part of aikido as self-defense for me is that aikido promotes spiritual and mental self-defense also. Utilizing Harmony in not just life but in oneself. There is much to be said about learning to" bend like a reed with the wind".
Aïkido IS discipline
because martial arts isn't for bullies
They hate it because in demonstrations it looks so simple, flowing and non aggressive BUT in reality it's devastating if done right.
Which is why you see Aikido in competition and real world conflict so often.....
@@neologian1783 Competitions have rules as do dojos but in real world conflicts Aikido plays a real part. First going to action movies the most common move in John Wick, Jason Bourne and many others is kotegaeshi and there are many others. But you want real life? I cross trained with someone I met while doing construction work in a regional area. Not much else going on so we trained together daily for 3 months. He's sensai was a former SAS jiu jitsu instructor. They train the military to kill. I was surprised how similar taijutsu and jiu jitsu were.
@@markgeorge5536 Whatever....it's not my fault you think you're studying to be real world combat effective when in fact you're studying dance. Best of luck.
@@neologian1783 A novel view on your part @neothelid1783, novel as in fiction.
@@markgeorge5536 100%....which is why we see Aikido in so much actual use outside fantasy based Steven Seagal movies. LOL. Again...best of luck...but this has grown boring so I"m out.
i have a weaponised personal drone with laser guided misiles so i'm starting a testosterone pumped ego narrative that says 'all martial arts don't work' and 'my drone is better than your drone'.....The cavemen did it 3 million years ago "Og my stone is better than your stone.....your stone is schidt " and sadly it is still going on today.
Deflect tabloid entertainment childishness and enjoy your mature training in whatever art you have chosen or is available in your area there is something for everyone.
“Walk through a downpour without getting hit” 🤦🏾♂️
Styles like Tai-Chi Aikido and Wing Chun are not designed in teaching someone to be a good street fighter in 6 months or a year they are far deeper than that literally becoming a way of life and take a lifetime to truly master I believe in today's fast food life-style and Society some people simply do not have the perseverance to comprehend the depth of such a thing and intern hate it
I don’t have any problems with Aikido, ballet, jazz and other dance styles.
Why so hated? Because in Aikido, they do not openly tell the keys which make Aikido work. Take as an example, there is a Aikido master, i think his name Shirakawa or smth like that (sorry if I m wrong). Almost every matrial artists who practiced with him said he has very flexible joints, but then ask most of Aikido students, do they have flexible joints? Or do they know how to get flexible joint? Compare this with Taekwondo, almost every Taekwondo students know how train their flexibilty.
Because understanding it is not within everyone's reach.
And those who have tried it and do not accept that the path is long, convince themselves for their own convenience, to exonerate themselves that it is not effective, but in reality in their heart they know perfectly well that the problem is them, not Aikido.
Aikido represents the denial of everything that a little boy or little boy looks for in a ring.
The point is that Aikido originates from something that was extremely more violent than a simple ring.
Therefore it is right that those seeking mere violence stay away from Aikido.
Certain things cannot and must not end up in the wrong hands. It is right that those who learn certain things are those who have a spirit of sacrifice and are willing to take the longest path. It is right that the higher level is hated by those who will never be able to reach it.
PS: yes, there are also clowns who pass themselves off as teachers. I think in all disciplines, Aikido unfortunately is not exempt from it.
Aikido is a great Martial Science/Budo for Law Enforcement.
Why is Aikido hated? Because it is misunderstood. You can't learn it as a first martial art because it is an advanced martial art. An advanced martial art is not easy to learn or intuitive. That means it goes against your normal instincts. Theoretically it is very correct, but in practice people stop thinking when fists start flying. The lack of sparring and pressure testing, as well as the fantasy demonstrations isn't helping the art's reputation. Learn MMA first and become good or proficient at that before learning Aikido. Also be careful with your training partner. Applying unexpected moves on people who don't know how to fall properly can cause broken limbs, especially when they have a stubborn mentality.
As a tai chi guy I think I can empathize with aikidokas 😂
L aikido è una bellissima arte marziale .aikido is a beautiful marzial arts
Aikido is only hated by people not knowing the difference between fighting and self defense.
For example, police and bar bouncers all over the world use Aikido, but you never see it in MMA.
Exactly. It’s a system meant to protect you and your opponent by stopping a fight from progressing. It has it’s place and a MMA ring isn’t a place for it.
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Aikido is used by cops and bouncers well let me knock down your little house of cards for one usually people comply with cops song that’s why you do it the cops put them in those bs arm locks So they don’t get pepper sprayed or teased
Now your bouncer is around 64 300 pounds or somewhere around that so the average drunk at the bar is probably 5 foot nine or 5 foot 10 and weighs around 160 to a 180 pounds And he can barely walk how drunk he is or she is and that’s why your aikido would work on people like that I would also works pretty good on the elderly petite women and children under 10
My former sensei trained military and police in both Nepal and East Timor while there to build orphanages with the help of the membership.
@@mv80401 aikido is crap
I like aikido. I'm of the opinion aikido like many traditional martial arts look bad when compared to sport fighting mixed martial artists. That isn't a good context to evaluate their potential. That's like saying boxing is no good because a wrestler will often win in the ring. On the street it's a different story. Aikido has a variety of very effective techniques. Underestimating a martial art master of any kind could be a painful mistake.
Lol I take it you haven’t been an actual street fight Aikido works very well in an aikido dojo when your opponent is compliant and flipping himself for you
And I could guarantee it if you put a ballerina in with an aikido practitioner the ballerina would kick the crap out of the aikido practitioner And FYI the ballerina skirts are Much better Looking then the skirts that you aikido practitioners where lol 😆
Ha ha ha ha@@mgtowproperties
@@mgtowproperties the uke flapps himself so he doesnt break his arms or neck .... thats what would happen to the street-attacker who doesnt "play" along the choreography 😅
You can be the heaviest punch thrower, but how many punches could you throw, when pain from twisted joints is stunning you and forces you into directions you dont expect?
@@MyNameIsJeff_tv I know he goes with the flow not To get something broken But a guy in the street it’s not gonna punch once and leave his arm there for you to grab it And if you’re going against the professional or even an amateur boxer Aikido practitioner is going to get his face turned into hamburger especially if the man is a heavy puncher I guarantee if you put in a female aikido practitioner in with a ballerina ballerina would kick the living crap out of her
By whom?
Because they don't want to understand the style.
A martial ballet, cool
aikido: the closest thing in martial arts to virtue signalling
5yrs Seidokan Aikido: a most difficult Art to Master; ea person diff! 🥋☯️
Which means Aikido is simply not effective! You don’t need to be a master to be effective in judo, wrestling, karate, boxing, and BBJ to name just a few!
What good is something you have to devote long hours and your entire lifetime to be able to use it effectively?!!
@@zeebest1004 And the same is for Aikido. No idea why you answer out of context. After X years you have learned so many techniques. When you have mastered it, you have learned all techniques. (That is what master/mastering means)
You only need one, in a fight though. And that you have to practice considerably often.
I know a guy who got attacked after 5 weeks of Aikido in a bar in France, with a broken glass.
He nearly killed the attacker, with one of the 3 beginner techniques you learn when you start.
Sometime Its good that some dont know stay under the radar.
I think this is a very good answer. I will adopt this as my answer to those people
aikido es un arte marcial? por supuesto, el aikido es un arte marcial bello y ciertamente efectivo para lo que fue creado. El aikido no fue creado para pelear, el aikido fue creado para solucionar problemas o conflictos sin pelear pero si se necesita puede ser usado perfectamente para la autodefensa, esa es la clave. El aikido es uno de los artes marciales mas puros que conozco. Ahora bien, definitivamente el aikido es un arte marcial en el cual se lleva una gran cantidad de tiempo tan solo para comprender y leer por ende es un arte marcial que demanda mucho tiempo de practica, tal ves tres o cuatro veces mas que otros artes marciales como el karate o el taekwondo.Dado lo anterior mucha gente se desanima fácilmente y aun con varios años de entrenamiento porque no son pacientes. Yo tome algunas clases de aikido y me paso exactamente esto ultimo, sin embrago esto no me quieta de la cabeza que el aikido es un verdadero arte marcial y que el practicante con constancia puede aprenderlo muy bien y utilizarlo si es necesario.
💦?! Misogi! ☯️
Too technical.
i know why
The way I view aikdo, to don't seem like it was created for unarmed combat... however due to the circular movements of the art I think it would be effective if someone was attacking another person with a sword or a stick if the person being attacked didn't have or lost their weapon
Aikido is Taijutsu and that is a method of unarmed close combat including dealing with minor weapons. If done NOT like in a dojo [respect] but in a real situation it's as devastating as jujitsu or any other discipline..
At work [building site] someone told this guy I did Aikido [30 years by the way] and he was a kick boxer. He asked me if HE could do something and I could respond. I said okay. Remember if you train for years you notice small movements on a person and you can determine what they are going to do. He tries a double punch to my body, I moved off line and he ended up with my fist 10mm from his face. I hadn't realized until then how fast I was because he was still looking in the direction where I HAD been. It's better NOT to get into a fight if you want to stay out of jail. All martial arts are lethal if done correctly and using one's centre. That's what Bruce Lee demonstrated with the one inch punch.
I've heard some arguments that Aikido comes from Sumo, but Iaijutsu is the side that I come from. Aikido seems to have lost the Atemi or Taijutsu part of it. I believe people just started supplementing different styles in place of it. Mugai Ryu is a Kenpo, some styles used Karate I'm not sure if it was ever a consistent style though when it come to striking. I think that maybe why
@@nebriancoleman4704 Don't know where that comes from. I've been doing Aikido since the middle of the 1990s and Atemi and Taijitsu is very much a part of it. When doing a block and Yokoman strike in reply to a Yokoman attack I am physically attacking the opponent's temple but my mind thinks [closed fist] downward strike to the temporomandibular joint, in affect breaking the attackers jaw. In a real situation it's better to break someone's jaw than to kill them.
@markgeorge5536 what I am saying is that the Atemi part isn't always Taijutsu. My style Mugai Ryu Shinden Kenpo is Daito Ryu it kind of predates Aikido if you understand the history a Koryu art that started in the 1600s. I am 3rd generation my family comes from the Iaijutsu side of the art. I don't really know any Taijutsu I thought it was positioning. it is what we consider Japanese Kenpo today. From your perspective, maybe i don't actually know Aikido..I'm like his cousin. To me Aikido Judo and Jujitsu are the same thing.
@@nebriancoleman4704 As I said to someone recently, Aikido [Taijitsu] and Jujitsu are the main martial arts they use to train the military special forces. Basically they are trained to kill. I cross trained with one for 3 months and it's similar to what we're taught in the dojo but toned down, out of respect for you uke.
Yo te voy a decir porque el AIKIDO es odiado. La sencilla razón por la que el AIKIDO es odiado es porque en primer lugar O-Sensei Morihey Ueshiba No es satánico. En segundo lugar es que el AIKIDO te aleja de la maldad, te aleja de hacer daño al prójimo y que engrandece todas tus virtudes ( esto es odiado por los satánicos ). En tercer lugar el AIKIDO quien lo practique bien, allana con seguridad todas tus actitudes buenas y saca de ti las actitudes malas o negativas . Esta es mi opinión porque yo soy un practicante serio y sencero del AIKI DO.
My theory (for what it's worth): Hatred of Aikido springs from hatred of the feminine. The 2 most maligned martial arts are Aikido (because they wear "skirts") and Wing Chun (because it was invented by a woman).
Aikido by is self is not affective for self defense
But did you know a bunch of aikido techniques are used in karate interesting enough.
Basically every Aikido technique is also in Karate. Shotokan took ten, as a homage to O'Seinsei, Wado Ryu took all.
Okinawa styles also contain most of Aikido, e.g. Goyu Ryu.
Almost all aikido techniques are derived from Daito Ryu of some form of Kodo/old school jujutsu.
Another aikido hater who's going out of his way to show everybody that he knows nothing about martial arts whatsoever
It needs pressure testing. I started in Aikido and then switched to Judo and Bjj. Thats what really made me realize how useless it is and how important pressure testing is.
I went to MMA and BJJ and after years I understood how good Martial Art Aikido really is 🤔
Isn’t judo closely related to Aikido though? If learning both Judo and BJJ taught you that Aikido was useless then I’m not sure if you spent enough time with one of the martial arts…
@@coopertolbertsmith6067 Yes it is and BJJ also. They have been developed from almost the same Martial Arts. You can implement pretty easily Aikido locks and pins in BJJ/Judo also when you have enough knowledge of all of those arts
Let me tell you one thing: the founder of judo (jigoro kano) said that aikido its the ultimate form of budo
@@jotarokujo1277 That is actually correct. And in another statement he said: "I should have removed Ne Waza (ground fighting), but now it is to late. As fighting on the ground is for dogs, men fight standing."
Is bullshido.
Aikido is a great art. I won't call it "martial" because it's really a form of martial looking gymnastics or martial looking "dance" insofar as it's loaded with scripted choreography. It's a beautiful system of movement, contains some interesting principles, can provide a great "community" and any number of health benefits.......but it's not terribly useful in the presence of a committed and non-cooperative opponent/attacker. The basic problem is the way it's taught and practiced day to day. Learning the choreography gets mistaken for effectiveness.
Please don't mistake me as a "hater". I studied Aikido at a rather reputable place for 18 years and visited a LARGE number of Aikido dojos during my business travels. I love the art and really enjoyed my years studying....but Aikidoka need to develop a sense of realism. It's spiritual gymnastics....not combat training. There's a reason Terry Dobson wrote "It's a Lot Like Dancing"......because it is. Which is not to say that makes it useless. People spend years learning Ballroom or Swing....the only difference is those folks understand the cooperative dependency on choreography whereas Aikidoka seem to pretend it does not exist.
Well behind those techniques are pronciples that can be used but not in kihon form. In real situation you can use aikido skills but not in pure form like you train in dojo
It is only scripted if you do an examination or an demonstration. Otherwise it is like every other martial art. "I studied Aikido at a rather reputable place for 18 years and visited a LARGE number of Aikido dojos during my business travels. ", then you should know it is not scripted ... "the cooperative dependency on choreography whereas Aikidoka seem to pretend it does not exist." Because it does not exist. Seriously, 18 years Aikido in different Dojo and you think that.
That does not sound plausible.
@@angeloschneider4272 Sorry...I have to disagree. I found Aikido to be highly choreographed. Many who have studied it and are intellectually honest about it agree. There's a reason Terry Dobson wrote a book about his years in Aikido titled "It's a Lot Like Dancing"
@@neologian1783 Perhaps you should practice it, instead of giving ill informed comments about it. I practice it. Hm ... want to meet me?
You can attack me as you want, and I always will have an answer.
Nothing choreographed.
Ah yes....the macho challenge. How predictable...and how very un-aiki. 🙂
The problem is I HAVE practiced Aikido for over 15 years. I studied under no fewer than two of O'Sensei's uchi deshi. I've attended countless seminars led by some of Aikido's most prominent figures from almost every main branch (Iwama Ryu, Yoshinkan, Ki Society, Aikikai, etc.) and I can say without reservation or qualification that daily practice in Aikido is mostly well rehearsed choreography.
But I've never met an Aikidoka who, like you, is not completely convinced that the dance moves and gymnastics routines they are learning in the dojo aren't completely combat effective. Meanwhile, I've never met an ex Aikidoka who took an actual interest in combat or combative sports who's not entirely aligned with my own assessment. And there's a reason why you've never seen shihonage, iriminage, tenchinage, ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, etc in MMA or other non-rehearsed situations. I've seen countless Aikidoka, much like you, decide to test their Aikido outside the choreographed conditions of their dojo in a truly competitive or combative arena, and I've never seen one of them perform anything that looks even remotely like a properly executed Aikido technique let alone the flowing dance-like waza you see in their daily practice. Take away the cooperative dance partner who knows the dance steps, replace them with someone who's not cooperating and genuinely trying to resist and win, and Aikido waza as we know it and practice it evaporates.
Which is not to say Aikido has no value. I still love it and still practice it. I just know what it is and what it isn't.
Don't hate the player....hate the game.
Let me disagree with the title, it is too negative . I would add ....by some. Fortunately, the contents is surprisingly positive. Hang spent over three decade on martial arts, mostly Karate, partly Judo, boxing and Fencing, I have learned that styles or schools of martial arts are to be chosen by both physical and mental attitude, starting from agressive through comfortable down to evasive, passive practitioner. In a club of say 60 students may be 10 are apt to go and fight, most of them attend dojo toput of sympathy to the sport, make friends and learn self defence. A good trainer is to sfind out the students´motivationand treat them accordingly. weedeing out the overly agressive or no-cooperating persons. Paul.68, retired trainer of Karate.
There are many misunderstandings about aikido. The most common misunderstanding is about wrist-grabbing. Indeed, many people cannot understand the reason why it is the main attack. What is very often not said is that the attacker grabs a wrist because who performs the technique is supposed to hold a blade
This is an easy problem to solve. Just start posting all that security camera footage of Aikido working.
Security camara footage can not be posted. If the owner of the camera posts it or shares it with anyone who is not law enforcement: it is a privacy violation.
@@angeloschneider4272 yeah, that's not how that works. In most places, anything that happens which is visible to the public can be filmed and shared without permission.
Also, Aikido doesn't work.
No it can"t @@Jamoni1 only in the US of Awesomenss. And the question is not if I see it and can film it, you talked about security cams. Which are obviously on the property they survey, and have nothing to do with public. In Europe or most of Asia you can not just publish a video that contains persons, without the consent of the persons, regardless if it is on your property or on public property. There are exceptions ofc, e.g. a crime happens and the criminal is on the run. But: that requires a ruling of a judge!
@@angeloschneider4272 do you know what security cameras in both sets of countries had in common?
None of them have ever recorded successful use of Aikido.
Because Aikido doesn't work.
@@Jamoni1 Do you actually know that most police forces on the planet have Aikido in their close combat reportion?
Obviously not.
So no idea about your stupid security camera comments.
This is a very dishonest video. You didn't address the reason people dislike Aikido, which is its cult-like nature.
"Cultlike"? Ok, you're obviously a deep thinker.
Because it's socks
If you see kay Aikido and it’s founder Clearly he was suffering from dementia and Alzheimer’s
And he war veteran from world war 1
@@ryohamaru2272 oh I see He was Shellshocked And that’s how he came up with aikido
@@mgtowproperties most of war veteran will have PTSD. aikido can be one of alternative for mental theuraphy
@@mgtowproperties pre war koryu aikido (aiki jutsu) more have lethal and brutal training. post war aikido is more soft and gentle art
@@ryohamaru2272 yes And that exactly what he was mental for coming up with aikido
Only those who have practiced a martial art for some amount of time, have the right to criticize .
Because they say Aikido works in a fight against a skilled fighter and it does not!
Because it is religion?
you can research about believe and path (do). both of them is different . aiki -do
No, it isn't actually.
Not a religion or belief system at all sir.