I wish this video was seen by everyone, the Space Marine 2 community, because some even manage to complain about survivability in waves and the amount of HP restored through stims (stim gives too little HP). The parry mechanics here are intuitive. Insane soft people (casuals)
The game does a poor job explaining how parring works. After +20 hrs of game i had to watch on you tube how to parry correctly and what block, ballanced and fencing meant. If that many people don't get it, it's not them, it's the game not explaining correctly.
@@Thesavagesouls I agree that the balance block etc was badly explained but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how to parry in this game. But i have heard about people somehow struggling on the easiest difficulty which baffles me.
@@EvgGaar possibly! I only did this because many comments on my last video were basically “yEaH WhY dOn’T YoU tRyyy ThIs oN a HeAvY?!?! I Bet YoU Can’T” So yeah, heavy can do it too. So can a balance type chain sword. It is a skill issue.
They do, I play bulwark with standard fornlike a 100hrs and when i tried the heavy I felt like im cheating, literally every time u press the parry u will brace multiple hits and parry the last
@@horg7203 same reason I hopped on heavy from bulwark and I was laughing my ass off on ruthless with a level1 how much easier the parry is, also the sprint attack into double stomps gives soooo much spaaace in so little time
I use fencing on my bulwark. Definitely not the case on heavy. Still balance is plenty for me to wreck a bunch of warriors who think they have my pinned.
Something I didn't see mentioned is that parry is bugged/ineffective if you're on higher ground than some mobs. Whip warriors and some chaos will just ignore the parry and you will take damage if your fight on steps/inclines and have the high ground. It might also happen the other way around but haven't tested that.
100% agree, I've been using Vanguard with the fencing knife and the +50% perfect parry windows perk, and I'm a parry god 😂. But you don't even need the perk, fencing weapons are more than enough to be a parry god, seriously just get good people.
I agree, i used heavy after watching your vid and it does have a fencing parry window. And with the buff to the heavy plasma makes heavy class a walking nuke. An uncharged shot can kill minoris and overcharged shots do %80 damage to majors.
Dodging and parrying are essential at higher difficulties and definitely impose a skill ceiling. You can button-mash through the game on easy & normal, but above that you don't have the health to NOT parry majors. Plus so many class perks revolve arkund parrying, it would just be unfortunate if someone didn't take advantage of the mechanics
Imo, the problem with the defensive play in this game is that it wants to be weighty and slow like darksouls, while also having horde mechanics like vermintide/darktide. Darktides gameplay feels so much smoother and responsive because you can quickly go back to blocking or dodging while the attack animation is going off essentially. Pressing an attack button here forces you to commit for a long period, and pressing the parry key while an unblockable comes out forces you to commit even if you recognize you now need to dodge and spam the dodge button. Being unable to quickly transition from offense to defense, and from one defensive method to another in a horde game feels really, really disjointed and bad. You can get used to it and play around it, but that still doesnt really fix the problems in the first place, and forces the smaller enemies to be a lot less threatening than they otherwise could be since you cant just wipe them out while dealing with the larger threats as easily.
@@DavidTector Like i said, you can deal with it by getting used to it, but that doesnt make it feel good. Getting good doesnt suddenly make the problems disappear, it just means the combat is a lot more watered down than it could be and enemies are less threatening than they could be and less punishing because they physically cant be. This is ultimately a horde game that has its defensive gameplay as if its darksouls, a game that is definitely not a horde game. There has to be compromise somewhere to make the fast paced action work with the slow paced defensive gameplay, and that is with how deadly swarms are. And even then, it will never feel anywhere near as good as darktide does with mobs that are significantly less of a punishing threat than darktides, while also feeling like an overall weaker character as a space marine than a darktide reject.
@@duo1666 My experience is entirely different than yours I live in the mobs and I love it. I often get 600+ kills if enough enemies spawn. Switching between combos into special heavies, parryies, perfect dodges, running melees and raw heavy melees and I parry the whips no problem for gun strikes and executions. Feel like a literal space marine just tearing through everyone. You can even destroy Terminators and the Hive Beast this way staying in their grill all game long. I've maxed out a few characters and play a lot so my proficiency from the hours put in may have something to do with it.
@@DavidTector It is physically impossible to feel like a space marine when your character handles like a tank, instead of an extremely fast, nimble fighter since their suits function more like skin than they do armor movement wise. Block/parry, cant dodge until animation finishes. Swing hammer? Sorry, cant stop now. The animation just finished for your chainsword swing? Gotta reset, youre winded old man, hope you werent trying to block something. Dark souls combat doesnt work in a horde game. It doesnt feel good at all, and my in game reject will solo literally every NPC in all of space marine 2 at the same time. The game is a lot of fun.... until you actually get into the horde combat, where theres either too few mobs to be really threatening, or theres a bunch and the little guys cant do any real damage that quickly because you cant handle two different enemies at the same time due to how combat flows. Meanwhile, darktide has hundreds of mobs on screen at once for you to deal with, and higher difficulties slams you with constant specials to deal with... and you can because you can drop offensive combat into defensive combat into offensive combat at any time you want, barely anything animation locks you.
@@duo1666 You can do all of that in SM2. You can parry multiple hits from multiple enemies at the same time even. You just clearly aren't very good and prefer Darktide because it's way easier. Go play that then if you prefer a more casual experience. I imagine a lot of people share your opinion as I usually have to carry the other dudes on my team who play with absolutely zero brain cells. In ruthless I generally just focus on surviving instead of reviving or helping my teamates because they are so oblivious to all the mechanics that keep you alive and just get me killed stealing crucial executions, stealing majoris enemies that activate ammo replenishing perks, always trying to fight and parry the same enemy as me thus cancelling my parry and I lose 50% health or running ahead and spawning in a million hordes in front of us while we are fighting a huge horde from behind. It's really frustrating running around rolling and fighting hordes last alive with a Terminator and Helbrute chasing me because my teamates steal every majoris kill I get throughout the whole level thus preventing me from replenishing ammo. The level of scrubbery on this game is mind boggling. It's also astonishing to see that people want the hardest difficulties in games to be easy so they can feel good about themselves. It's supposed to be hard not easy lol Hard mode being easy makes games boring and effectively shortens the lifespan of said game.
Parry is also a skill issue in PVP if you'd believe it. Doesn't stun them but perfect blocking while firing your sidarm in between blocks decimates melee opponents
I main Bulwark and I sometimes get stuck in the block forgetting I can parry. I am going to try this, also leveling up a Vangaurd too so this was super insightful
The game is very situational the melee characters are at a disadvantage especially against the chaos enemies Sometimes I hit a perfect parry and go for a fallow up and they teleport and reappear doing and unblockable attack I can avoid- this is against a ranged marine Those guys can tank heavy strikes and return far more damage during your swing
@@jacobwooten977 you can mostly stun lock those chaos marines. Occasionally they’ll teleport but that’s easy to dodge if they follow up. If you are mashing and are therefore unable to dodge, that is a mistake, If you mash in sekiro for example you will absolutely get skewered in 1 shot. This type of punishing combat isn’t new, and it’s about 20x less punishing in this game than in a game like Sekiro. The issue is people want to play this game as if it was Helldivers, and it isn’t !
@@horg7203 I come from for honor and tekken And I’m not mash thanks for the stereotyping. I’m using the bulwark and they do parry differently the most classes because of the shield, they block first then parry, bulwark is much more punishing to play as if you just mash. The bulwark has a skill that triggers on perfect parry, it drops a a shock zone. I’m not saying I’m perfect at it but I have done my research and I practice. But the chaos marines do not always stagger, they will sometimes take hits a teleport away or disappear for a moment and come back with a unblockable boot they are unpredictable and in groups it’s really bad for melee classes They can stagger and take a whole combo or hyper armor through your attack and start their own. They can teleport and do many options of ranged or melee attacks They can teleport after each hit you land add in the minions and other types of chaos marines and it’s a mess You don’t have the ability to fight them in multiple directions and stack up gun strikes and executions And I do get upset when I hit the perfect parry and those MFs teleport a hit me with and unblockable be for I can dodge. Maybe the shock field triggers the retaliation or it’s because I’m on ps5 and has some lag but fighting chaos marines as a melee class sucks As a vanguard it’s fine but they are still way more difficult than the tyranids
Sometime the attack and parry window are vary. When i see blue light i pressed parry but nothing happen and somehow they still hit me anyway this is fencing melee btw. I swear the parrying between sequences of enemy are not fun when they take turn to attack
Heavy TOTALLY looks like it has a fencing parry, but hen i wonder: if its all a skill issue, that means that the optimal way to play a bulwark is using a balance weapon to make use of the heightened stats, and rely on shield badh when the enemy is swarming you? Or the fencing weapon is still needed so you can become Parry god? What would be considered "the best" course of action?
The best course of action would be whatever gives you the most damage while being able to reliably complete a mission. Will vary person to person, and class to class.
Shield blocking is good if you're panicing and it stops most ranged attacks. Stay on the outside. I went fencing since I wanted the weapon with the highest power+speed. Well... the fastest and hardest hitting relic was a fencer.
I jumped straight to Angel of Death difficulty when starting the game. By the time I finished the intro mission/tutorial I had perfectly mastered parrying/blocking. I died a significant amount of times... It's very satisfying to tank one of the bigger enemies, like carnifex, hellbrute, Hive Tyrant, and blocking/dodging everything.
Well explained. The game didn't tell us this. So i have been pressing the parry button as i would my perfect dodge button. The same as any souls game too. This clears it up. Thanks.
if you're playing bulwark and are struggling to get parries its actually the dumb keybinds fault. I rebound block to a button easier to click like mouse 5 and getting a parry became 1000% easier.
Fencing weapons were nice to know about, certainly makes it better, but over all, skill or not, I don’t really *like* it. If it wasn’t a 40k game, I don’t think I’d be playing it.
@@jarcuadanantus28 hey all good! Millions, including myself, love this game! That being said, I understand your perspective. Millions of people love Black Myth Wukong and I uninstalled the game after 7 hours (RIP my steam refund window). It’s just not for you, and that’s okay!
I'm with you. I wanted something closer to Darktide. I have disdain for dodge roll and dislike parry. I'm going to stick with it and see how it goes.I feel like not all parries follow the same timing in this game and I wish there was a different sound for both dodge and parry.
I’m mostly curious to see this on every character. It feels very different to parry on a Bulwark vs Vanguard, vs Sniper etc. also on higher levels the chain attacks from majoris do not let you guns trike like this as you still take damage during a guns trike so between the majoris and the minoris your health just chips away till you die.
Been playing hard. I think what it is is that the higher the diff, the less leeway you get. I can dodge carnifex all day on lower levels, but on ruthless you need to wait till hes JUST about to hit you then do it. I can see how people are confused and think the button just stopped working. You can press it the second you get a warning in lower diffs. Doesn't work that way in higher diffs.
I can’t parry or dodge, well I can, but getting the perfect parry is almost impossible for me. The little circle thingy means nothing. I just have to roll away from everything and nuke them from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Nah you can do this man. Just set it to the minimum threat level and practice!! Just stand there and literally repeat the parry test with the timings in mind that I went over and eventually it will just click in your mind
the only thing i find strange is that all classes have to parry, instead of benefit from dodge and block, or even mainly the weapon of choice. love the gameplay but as a heavy i want my plasma to get buffed to make substantial easy and ruthless skill based .
3 weeks of heavy and it does feel like the melee is better on it lol, i was dissapointed by the melee classes getting rolled all the time and my heavy does better in substantial and ruthless , then my assaut bull or tactical
do some attacks require two parries, or does the animation automatically repeat for any incoming attacks (I'm noticing this specifically on the whip attack)
unironically I find it easier to consistently parry with heavy than i do with a bulwark for example, i dont know if its the fact that I dont just mash melee so im more focused on proper parrying or what but the difference is crazy, then again with the bulwark sometimes i have games where my brain just goes on vacation and i cant parry for the life of me
@@b_b762x51 so my brother, I use right click for ADS, I use mouse5 (side button for melee), shift for dodge and caps lock for sprint! Coming from sekiro to this game so I needed dodge to be shift
@@lukewookiee yeah this is actually the most important part : My dodge is Shift My Parry is Spacebar My Sprint is Capslock My melee is mouse button 5 (side) My ADS is right click (like most other shooters) I don’t care about having my caps on while I’m gaming
hey can i bring up a thing to try to get some help? i have never been able to gun strike, i have beat the campaign, all the operations, and lvl 8 in MP, never been able to gunstrike. first thing i did after first pressing start on the main menue was change my PC KB&M keybinds, like alot of them, so im guessing thats the issue. im gonna try a controller later, but yeah, i think keybind changes may have a bug that affects gun strike mechanic. edit, ive also never locked on, i rebound that to X and it doesn't work, so maybe there's something there too.
@@thirdimpact172 I use C for lock on but rarely use it tbh in this game. Have switched most of my keybinds except the left click, I’ve had no issues like this ! Hope it gets resolved
SM2 PvE is the biggest skill issue thing ever. if you cant hit parrys you arent getting past average difficulty. But if you can hit those parrys you are functionally immortal.
Except for few time the parry just wont work despite i hear the blue light, i see the attack from the enemy, pressed parry. My character swing up for the attack but somehow they attack through my fencing parry. Im not even started on chaos enemy their blue attack parry is rarely seen outside of teleport attack and constant spam orange attack
Yeah, not sure if you mention bulwark in this video, but the timing is delayed on him since he takes a second to sniff his shield before throwing the parry out, and even with fencing there is a 3 chain attack he can't parry because he's literally just too slow. That's not a skill issue.
Counter point: The community thinks parrying sucks because it is the optimal way to play. Using normal melee combos is suboptimal compared to parry spamming. The community wants normal melee attacks to not feel like a wet noodle compared to parry spam.
@@mike91980 HE HAS SPOKEN. ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. LET IT BE KNOWN nah it’s okay though, I personally use melee often, but I get it for those who don’t agree.
Is that supposed to be some kind of offense? I'm a shift worker with a family. Of course I'm a casual player. There just is no other way I can play games. But does that make the opinion that the parry system in SM2 is pretty weird less true? I mean, I'd be okay with there being NO indicator at all, so I'd know that I have to pay attention to the enemy animation and I'd be okay that there sometimes just is no indicator at all. But as it is now, it feels inconsistent. Having to play casual naturally means, that people need more time for practice and have less consecutive time to figure things out on their own. It does not mean, that as a casual you want the game to hold your hand. No need to talk down to anyone, little pro bro!
It is insane to me the amount of complaints and whining about the combat and parrying in general. Have these people ever played any 3rd person action game? There are soooo many with similar systems, and few of them give you a practice mode like this game does. It took me a good 10 min of sitting in the practice mode to get the timing down on things, ever since then its been awesome. God forbid these people ever play a fighting game, itd be WW3 😂
It is definitely the weakest class but I wouldn't call it trash. Assault is my main, at level 25 with relic weapons and built around gun strikes it feels very powerful.
Its absolutely trash on ps5… i have 3 max levels… and i cannot stand the parry/ block and healing… it drags this game down half the time you see the indicatore 1 second before getting hit
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I wish this video was seen by everyone, the Space Marine 2 community, because some even manage to complain about survivability in waves and the amount of HP restored through stims (stim gives too little HP). The parry mechanics here are intuitive. Insane soft people (casuals)
The game does a poor job explaining how parring works. After +20 hrs of game i had to watch on you tube how to parry correctly and what block, ballanced and fencing meant. If that many people don't get it, it's not them, it's the game not explaining correctly.
@@Thesavagesouls I agree that the balance block etc was badly explained but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how to parry in this game. But i have heard about people somehow struggling on the easiest difficulty which baffles me.
Yeah, nice. Noticed a couple more things too. Glad you went over dodging and tighter parry windows.
@@josecruz8803 my pleasure! Thank you for all the support !
I'm pretty sure Heavy gets the Fencing treatment by default.
@@EvgGaar possibly! I only did this because many comments on my last video were basically “yEaH WhY dOn’T YoU tRyyy ThIs oN a HeAvY?!?! I Bet YoU Can’T”
So yeah, heavy can do it too. So can a balance type chain sword. It is a skill issue.
They do, I play bulwark with standard fornlike a 100hrs and when i tried the heavy I felt like im cheating, literally every time u press the parry u will brace multiple hits and parry the last
@@horg7203 same reason I hopped on heavy from bulwark and I was laughing my ass off on ruthless with a level1 how much easier the parry is, also the sprint attack into double stomps gives soooo much spaaace in so little time
Parry when the blue circle is largest, dodge when ANY circle just disappeared.
I use fencing on my bulwark. Definitely not the case on heavy. Still balance is plenty for me to wreck a bunch of warriors who think they have my pinned.
Something I didn't see mentioned is that parry is bugged/ineffective if you're on higher ground than some mobs. Whip warriors and some chaos will just ignore the parry and you will take damage if your fight on steps/inclines and have the high ground. It might also happen the other way around but haven't tested that.
100% agree, I've been using Vanguard with the fencing knife and the +50% perfect parry windows perk, and I'm a parry god 😂. But you don't even need the perk, fencing weapons are more than enough to be a parry god, seriously just get good people.
I agree, i used heavy after watching your vid and it does have a fencing parry window. And with the buff to the heavy plasma makes heavy class a walking nuke. An uncharged shot can kill minoris and overcharged shots do %80 damage to majors.
I KNEW I was doing something wrong. Gonna start practicing parry more today.
Dodging and parrying are essential at higher difficulties and definitely impose a skill ceiling. You can button-mash through the game on easy & normal, but above that you don't have the health to NOT parry majors. Plus so many class perks revolve arkund parrying, it would just be unfortunate if someone didn't take advantage of the mechanics
Imo, the problem with the defensive play in this game is that it wants to be weighty and slow like darksouls, while also having horde mechanics like vermintide/darktide.
Darktides gameplay feels so much smoother and responsive because you can quickly go back to blocking or dodging while the attack animation is going off essentially. Pressing an attack button here forces you to commit for a long period, and pressing the parry key while an unblockable comes out forces you to commit even if you recognize you now need to dodge and spam the dodge button.
Being unable to quickly transition from offense to defense, and from one defensive method to another in a horde game feels really, really disjointed and bad. You can get used to it and play around it, but that still doesnt really fix the problems in the first place, and forces the smaller enemies to be a lot less threatening than they otherwise could be since you cant just wipe them out while dealing with the larger threats as easily.
Skill issue
@@DavidTector Like i said, you can deal with it by getting used to it, but that doesnt make it feel good. Getting good doesnt suddenly make the problems disappear, it just means the combat is a lot more watered down than it could be and enemies are less threatening than they could be and less punishing because they physically cant be.
This is ultimately a horde game that has its defensive gameplay as if its darksouls, a game that is definitely not a horde game. There has to be compromise somewhere to make the fast paced action work with the slow paced defensive gameplay, and that is with how deadly swarms are. And even then, it will never feel anywhere near as good as darktide does with mobs that are significantly less of a punishing threat than darktides, while also feeling like an overall weaker character as a space marine than a darktide reject.
@@duo1666 My experience is entirely different than yours I live in the mobs and I love it. I often get 600+ kills if enough enemies spawn. Switching between combos into special heavies, parryies, perfect dodges, running melees and raw heavy melees and I parry the whips no problem for gun strikes and executions. Feel like a literal space marine just tearing through everyone. You can even destroy Terminators and the Hive Beast this way staying in their grill all game long. I've maxed out a few characters and play a lot so my proficiency from the hours put in may have something to do with it.
@@DavidTector It is physically impossible to feel like a space marine when your character handles like a tank, instead of an extremely fast, nimble fighter since their suits function more like skin than they do armor movement wise.
Block/parry, cant dodge until animation finishes. Swing hammer? Sorry, cant stop now. The animation just finished for your chainsword swing? Gotta reset, youre winded old man, hope you werent trying to block something.
Dark souls combat doesnt work in a horde game. It doesnt feel good at all, and my in game reject will solo literally every NPC in all of space marine 2 at the same time.
The game is a lot of fun.... until you actually get into the horde combat, where theres either too few mobs to be really threatening, or theres a bunch and the little guys cant do any real damage that quickly because you cant handle two different enemies at the same time due to how combat flows. Meanwhile, darktide has hundreds of mobs on screen at once for you to deal with, and higher difficulties slams you with constant specials to deal with... and you can because you can drop offensive combat into defensive combat into offensive combat at any time you want, barely anything animation locks you.
@@duo1666 You can do all of that in SM2. You can parry multiple hits from multiple enemies at the same time even. You just clearly aren't very good and prefer Darktide because it's way easier. Go play that then if you prefer a more casual experience. I imagine a lot of people share your opinion as I usually have to carry the other dudes on my team who play with absolutely zero brain cells. In ruthless I generally just focus on surviving instead of reviving or helping my teamates because they are so oblivious to all the mechanics that keep you alive and just get me killed stealing crucial executions, stealing majoris enemies that activate ammo replenishing perks, always trying to fight and parry the same enemy as me thus cancelling my parry and I lose 50% health or running ahead and spawning in a million hordes in front of us while we are fighting a huge horde from behind. It's really frustrating running around rolling and fighting hordes last alive with a Terminator and Helbrute chasing me because my teamates steal every majoris kill I get throughout the whole level thus preventing me from replenishing ammo. The level of scrubbery on this game is mind boggling.
It's also astonishing to see that people want the hardest difficulties in games to be easy so they can feel good about themselves. It's supposed to be hard not easy lol Hard mode being easy makes games boring and effectively shortens the lifespan of said game.
Parry is also a skill issue in PVP if you'd believe it. Doesn't stun them but perfect blocking while firing your sidarm in between blocks decimates melee opponents
parry in Heavy is too easy, combined with two stomps. OP
Parry for the Emperor Brothas!
Its 100% skill issue if you die, especially after the Update.
I main Bulwark and I sometimes get stuck in the block forgetting I can parry. I am going to try this, also leveling up a Vangaurd too so this was super insightful
The game is very situational the melee characters are at a disadvantage especially against the chaos enemies
Sometimes I hit a perfect parry and go for a fallow up and they teleport and reappear doing and unblockable attack I can avoid- this is against a ranged marine
Those guys can tank heavy strikes and return far more damage during your swing
@@jacobwooten977 you can mostly stun lock those chaos marines. Occasionally they’ll teleport but that’s easy to dodge if they follow up.
If you are mashing and are therefore unable to dodge, that is a mistake, If you mash in sekiro for example you will absolutely get skewered in 1 shot.
This type of punishing combat isn’t new, and it’s about 20x less punishing in this game than in a game like Sekiro.
The issue is people want to play this game as if it was Helldivers, and it isn’t !
@@horg7203 I come from for honor and tekken And I’m not mash thanks for the stereotyping.
I’m using the bulwark and they do parry differently the most classes because of the shield, they block first then parry, bulwark is much more punishing to play as if you just mash.
The bulwark has a skill that triggers on perfect parry, it drops a a shock zone.
I’m not saying I’m perfect at it but I have done my research and I practice. But the chaos marines do not always stagger, they will sometimes take hits a teleport away or disappear for a moment and come back with a unblockable boot they are unpredictable and in groups it’s really bad for melee classes
They can stagger and take a whole combo or hyper armor through your attack and start their own. They can teleport and do many options of ranged or melee attacks
They can teleport after each hit you land add in the minions and other types of chaos marines and it’s a mess
You don’t have the ability to fight them in multiple directions and stack up gun strikes and executions
And I do get upset when I hit the perfect parry and those MFs teleport a hit me with and unblockable be for I can dodge. Maybe the shock field triggers the retaliation or it’s because I’m on ps5 and has some lag but fighting chaos marines as a melee class sucks
As a vanguard it’s fine but they are still way more difficult than the tyranids
Sometime the attack and parry window are vary. When i see blue light i pressed parry but nothing happen and somehow they still hit me anyway this is fencing melee btw. I swear the parrying between sequences of enemy are not fun when they take turn to attack
Skill issue get good bro.
@@DavidTector your Brain has skill issues what are you even talking about or is that an automatic response when you get on social media
I agree with this but sometimes the blue indicator just lies on the timing and I almost always listen.
Or when you heard the parry sound from behind, expect a blue light.......BUT IT WAS ME, ORANGE LIGHT and you take damage for it
I always felt parries were easy in this game. The only times I screw them up is when I'm actively fooling around or not paying any attention at all.
Heavy TOTALLY looks like it has a fencing parry, but hen i wonder: if its all a skill issue, that means that the optimal way to play a bulwark is using a balance weapon to make use of the heightened stats, and rely on shield badh when the enemy is swarming you? Or the fencing weapon is still needed so you can become Parry god? What would be considered "the best" course of action?
The best course of action would be whatever gives you the most damage while being able to reliably complete a mission. Will vary person to person, and class to class.
Shield blocking is good if you're panicing and it stops most ranged attacks. Stay on the outside.
I went fencing since I wanted the weapon with the highest power+speed. Well... the fastest and hardest hitting relic was a fencer.
I jumped straight to Angel of Death difficulty when starting the game. By the time I finished the intro mission/tutorial I had perfectly mastered parrying/blocking. I died a significant amount of times... It's very satisfying to tank one of the bigger enemies, like carnifex, hellbrute, Hive Tyrant, and blocking/dodging everything.
bro called hellbrute gameplay satisfying
Well explained. The game didn't tell us this. So i have been pressing the parry button as i would my perfect dodge button. The same as any souls game too. This clears it up. Thanks.
@@MillerTheOriginal you’re welcome! Glad this helped
Very awesome video! Well said
if you're playing bulwark and are struggling to get parries its actually the dumb keybinds fault. I rebound block to a button easier to click like mouse 5 and getting a parry became 1000% easier.
> Parry is two-stage
So basically Astartes parry is DS1 Buckler parry.
Now that explains why the parry timing is off 🤔
Fencing weapons were nice to know about, certainly makes it better, but over all, skill or not, I don’t really *like* it. If it wasn’t a 40k game, I don’t think I’d be playing it.
Do you know a better way to make a space marine game?
@@jarcuadanantus28 hey all good! Millions, including myself, love this game!
That being said, I understand your perspective. Millions of people love Black Myth Wukong and I uninstalled the game after 7 hours (RIP my steam refund window).
It’s just not for you, and that’s okay!
Unfortunately, this is how the market and the economy as a whole work, the target audience
See ya then!
I'm with you. I wanted something closer to Darktide. I have disdain for dodge roll and dislike parry. I'm going to stick with it and see how it goes.I feel like not all parries follow the same timing in this game and I wish there was a different sound for both dodge and parry.
I’m mostly curious to see this on every character. It feels very different to parry on a Bulwark vs Vanguard, vs Sniper etc.
also on higher levels the chain attacks from majoris do not let you guns trike like this as you still take damage during a guns trike so between the majoris and the minoris your health just chips away till you die.
Been playing hard. I think what it is is that the higher the diff, the less leeway you get. I can dodge carnifex all day on lower levels, but on ruthless you need to wait till hes JUST about to hit you then do it. I can see how people are confused and think the button just stopped working. You can press it the second you get a warning in lower diffs. Doesn't work that way in higher diffs.
I cant 100% confirm this but i have noticed similar Things, like they have sometimes a delay on their attack even if the Blue circle pops up.
I can’t parry or dodge, well I can, but getting the perfect parry is almost impossible for me. The little circle thingy means nothing. I just have to roll away from everything and nuke them from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Nah you can do this man. Just set it to the minimum threat level and practice!! Just stand there and literally repeat the parry test with the timings in mind that I went over and eventually it will just click in your mind
This probably wouldn't feel as bad to learn if the game had a thorough tutorial.
Perfect parry and dodge windows decrease with higher difficulty, so doing this on ruthless will not be as easy
the only thing i find strange is that all classes have to parry, instead of benefit from dodge and block, or even mainly the weapon of choice. love the gameplay but as a heavy i want my plasma to get buffed to make substantial easy and ruthless skill based .
3 weeks of heavy and it does feel like the melee is better on it lol, i was dissapointed by the melee classes getting rolled all the time and my heavy does better in substantial and ruthless , then my assaut bull or tactical
do some attacks require two parries, or does the animation automatically repeat for any incoming attacks (I'm noticing this specifically on the whip attack)
These are two separate parry inputs, meaning you have to press the button twice with the correct timing !
unironically I find it easier to consistently parry with heavy than i do with a bulwark for example, i dont know if its the fact that I dont just mash melee so im more focused on proper parrying or what but the difference is crazy, then again with the bulwark sometimes i have games where my brain just goes on vacation and i cant parry for the life of me
What are your keybinds outside of spacebar instead of default "c"?
@@b_b762x51 so my brother, I use right click for ADS, I use mouse5 (side button for melee), shift for dodge and caps lock for sprint!
Coming from sekiro to this game so I needed dodge to be shift
@@horg7203 Thanks for the reply - been working on different binds (coming from Rust). The Emperor provides!
I haven’t been able to parry the whip attack, I can never get the flow right.
I will get it eventually.
The only thing broken in this game is
@@glasfish you will get it eventually for sure !! Stick with it. It’s all reps, like anything else. Once it clicks you will never miss it again
*eats both pills* It's not a great parry mechanic compared to some games but you can still master it with practice.
@@HumanityAsCode hahahahahaha okay this one was good.
Although I personally love it, but I also enjoyed your comment!
Can you share your full m+k mapping? Where do you have dodge?
@@lukewookiee yeah this is actually the most important part :
My dodge is Shift
My Parry is Spacebar
My Sprint is Capslock
My melee is mouse button 5 (side)
My ADS is right click (like most other shooters)
I don’t care about having my caps on while I’m gaming
@@horg7203 thanks
hey can i bring up a thing to try to get some help? i have never been able to gun strike, i have beat the campaign, all the operations, and lvl 8 in MP, never been able to gunstrike. first thing i did after first pressing start on the main menue was change my PC KB&M keybinds, like alot of them, so im guessing thats the issue. im gonna try a controller later, but yeah, i think keybind changes may have a bug that affects gun strike mechanic.
edit, ive also never locked on, i rebound that to X and it doesn't work, so maybe there's something there too.
@@thirdimpact172 I use C for lock on but rarely use it tbh in this game.
Have switched most of my keybinds except the left click, I’ve had no issues like this ! Hope it gets resolved
The weird thing to me is you can parry too late which makes you eat the hit even if it looks like you did it perfectly. I really don't get that one.
SM2 PvE is the biggest skill issue thing ever. if you cant hit parrys you arent getting past average difficulty. But if you can hit those parrys you are functionally immortal.
Except for few time the parry just wont work despite i hear the blue light, i see the attack from the enemy, pressed parry. My character swing up for the attack but somehow they attack through my fencing parry. Im not even started on chaos enemy their blue attack parry is rarely seen outside of teleport attack and constant spam orange attack
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Yeah, not sure if you mention bulwark in this video, but the timing is delayed on him since he takes a second to sniff his shield before throwing the parry out, and even with fencing there is a 3 chain attack he can't parry because he's literally just too slow. That's not a skill issue.
@@TheSkelzore hahahaha sniff his shield
Double tap
@@DavidTector That doesn't stop him from sniffing his shield. So it doesn't remove the delay.
@@TheSkelzore I didn't say that. But it works for me. I parry in pve and pvp with great success.
@DavidTector I too parry with great success, you are sadly mistaking me saying that it is delayed and annoying with "I'm bad at it and need advice."
Counter point: The community thinks parrying sucks because it is the optimal way to play. Using normal melee combos is suboptimal compared to parry spamming. The community wants normal melee attacks to not feel like a wet noodle compared to parry spam.
@@mike91980 HE HAS SPOKEN. ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. LET IT BE KNOWN
nah it’s okay though, I personally use melee often, but I get it for those who don’t agree.
People complaining about melee in SM2 are all just skill issue casuals.
Is that supposed to be some kind of offense? I'm a shift worker with a family. Of course I'm a casual player. There just is no other way I can play games. But does that make the opinion that the parry system in SM2 is pretty weird less true? I mean, I'd be okay with there being NO indicator at all, so I'd know that I have to pay attention to the enemy animation and I'd be okay that there sometimes just is no indicator at all. But as it is now, it feels inconsistent.
Having to play casual naturally means, that people need more time for practice and have less consecutive time to figure things out on their own. It does not mean, that as a casual you want the game to hold your hand.
No need to talk down to anyone, little pro bro!
@@snorrimcguffin2282 Go play fortnite then, don't ask devs to make a game easier for you.
It is insane to me the amount of complaints and whining about the combat and parrying in general. Have these people ever played any 3rd person action game? There are soooo many with similar systems, and few of them give you a practice mode like this game does. It took me a good 10 min of sitting in the practice mode to get the timing down on things, ever since then its been awesome. God forbid these people ever play a fighting game, itd be WW3 😂
Can confirm its a gunlevel issue and not having the best party melee weapon.
Assault is still trash imo. Need fun buff
It is definitely the weakest class but I wouldn't call it trash. Assault is my main, at level 25 with relic weapons and built around gun strikes it feels very powerful.
Skill issue… not when I’m lagging so hard because there are no servers in my region and offline isn’t an option.
Its absolutely trash on ps5… i have 3 max levels… and i cannot stand the parry/ block and healing… it drags this game down half the time you see the indicatore 1 second before getting hit