100 % true lmao. That woman absolutely does not deserve to be called a mother. Being a parent is about more than just giving birth, and she absolutely and completely failed at that.
I like how the two brothers essentially "agreed to disagree" and mutually decided Mark was not attending the wedding, to be as amicable as possible. The mother is the one who didnt respect boundaries at all.
It’s literally the mom who’s keeping the drama alive because she thinks her precious golden child is being “punished unfairly”, but Mark doesn’t want to be In the wedding. Not unless Mark is saying something behind closed doors and Dad the enabler is not reigning in his delusional wife.
It sounds like he is. He's trying to 'stay out of it' but he's the cause of this. And Dad is definitely leaning to be as delusional as the Mom ( 21:43 )
That’s the problem. She foolishly shields him from facing consequences for his actions. Now look how it’s blown up in her face. She’s now blocked 🚫 out of her older son’s life
She's doing the twitter user thing where Mark doesn't even give a shit but she has to defend him anyways. I feel like she just wants conflict, and ya know how it goes, the blood god cares not from where the blood flows, as long as she can create drama she will pick the opportunity.
Honestly with ops upbringing I’m surprised he never snapped and decided to actually earn his punishment for being a “bad role model”. It might just be my anger issues as a kid but I feel like at any point the having to sign over the car it the point I would have snapped no matter what. Mark would have grown up learning to fear me when angry as I would basically hulk out as a kid luckily I’ve calmed down since then.
Thats what my dad is like. I told him he was a bad father and he said "why are you still holding that above my head" first of all i never told him that before and secondly he never stopped
To an extent yeah. But hes also a grown ass man that can improve himself and move away from how he was treated. My younger sister is the golden child of the family. My aunt is always at her place, playing with my nieces, so is my mum but my kids and i are ignored. My sister doesnt act this way.
What completely baffles me is that mark uninvited himself. Their mother had literally no point in fighting to invite him because he wouldn’t show up regardless. She assaulted his fiancee and excused Mark’s attempt at ruining her son’s happiness for literally no reason. She needs more than family therapy, she needs specific personal therapy to look into why shes so delusional. I think she’s genuinely ill. Their father is an enabler and needs to acknowledge when his wife is doing wrong and needs help working on that as well, but he’s not as mentally concerning as her. Mark is unfortunately the product of favoritism and while he could attempt to be amicable, he doesn’t understand what’s wrong because he’s always enabled, excused, and given what he wants. He needs a grip on reality, but their mother needs to be locked up either behind bars or in a mental hospital for a little while to understand shes not being “treated” like a villain, she IS a villain.
I don't think he is understanding. He wouldn't have taken the car or pulled what he did. He's probably pulling mom's strings in the dark. Or at least, he should have told her publicly to stop
It's crazy that Mark kinda just gave up and accepted what was happening, and the mom is the one that's fighting for him (even though he doesn't want it?) nothing she does makes sense.
💯% mom has been fully corrupted by the insidious, supernatural parasite women are born with. Parasite be like: Amicable breakups of toxic relationships (in this case OP and his brother) are poison to us. Without toxic social relationships, humans are virtually impossible to corrupt. Their weaknesses of extreme ego, vanity, moral fanaticism, etc. cannot be exploited. ========= It makes sense from the parasite's point of view. Probably hoping to spread to Mark. OP's mother just obeys the parasite's commands. The parasite is non-sapient so has lower intelligence than a human. Think like a cat 🐈. ===== The parasites actions backfired though. The family just got sick of mom's drama. OP and gf got closer from bonding from the shared bizarre experience. So happy 😆 ending.
OP's mother is a narc and his father enables her. Mark unfortunately is a product of his upbringing but seems less toxic than their parents, if only slightly less. Jenn and OP deserve to be happy, and glad they figured out what to do in the end. Hopefully the mother doesn't fall off at the deep end and take things to the extreme but she's a narcissist, she's "never at fault".
@@ResidentWeevil2077 So you wouldn't find it weird that your ex who you dumped and who was seen looking for you suddenly becomes your brother's girlfriend and magically never find outs that you are related until they meet in person?
@@ShiNijuuAKL I don't have a brother for one, and secondly I wouldn't care - even if I had a brother I'd be like "cool, you got my sloppy seconds". Depending on how that relationship ended, I'd either be apathetic or congratulatory. I'm not a confrontational psychopath like some of you in the comments.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 Then you will be a bad brother and a extremely naive person. If Mike was right and he allowed this to continue, multiple problematic things could have happened in the future: 1. His crazy ex would be around and nobody knows what she would do. She would have access to private information of Mike and could potentially interfere in his future relationships. 2. His brother would feel used if he discovers the truth.
No. His sister Charlotte is the worst. B!tch just because you give birth to little gremlin doesn't give you the right to demand your siblings to reconnect with abusive parents.
Don't know why they also are not going no contact with the parents. They will also come second to mark. Their kids will always get less than what mark's future kid will get from them. They will always resent how the parents treated them and now treat their kids.
Look, theres alot of stuff about OPs mother down here... but can I throw out that Jenn goes to war for OP against mother over the phone and im just here being like... "BRO SHE THE ONE, YOU DID GOOD MY GUY."
24:04 at this point i completely forgot that this was originally about Mark and Mark was the reason this whole post/story even started. everything had just moved onto how crazy the mom is
Y'all need to grow up. She's technically Mark's "ex" but he never wanted a gf and they barely dated. LoL Adults can go on with their lives. Mark the ex is creating highschool drama.
I personally consider an "ex" to be someone you had a serious relationship with and then broke up for whatever reason, not someone you casually dated a couple weeks then got bored of. Considering the latter an "ex" screams "middle school".
The mother needs to get a mother-effing grip for once in her life and face the fact that she ruined her family by spoiling Mark. Then she needs to hear from Mark how he decided to remove himself from the wedding and accept it. She's so anal about keeping the peace when she's causing chaos left and right. Thank God Mark had the sense to be civil when he rescinded his invite.
@@FlamesAndShadows I theorize that when a woman cheats, her heart belongs to her affair partner but she wants the comfortable life her husband provides as a backup plan. So she continues her version of love through the child that she and her affair partner created. Like I said it’s a theory, because I truly don’t know if a cheater is even capable of loving someone else besides themselves.
@@theanominousyour theory is completely plausible. Narcissists often attach themselves to others who they see as an extension of themselves. Her son was probably that.
Jen sounds like a keeper and a really nice person. She tried to keep out of it, didn't press OP for details, and only put her foot down after all that, and one of her conditions was to have OP go to therapy. And, she hasn't just turned and high-tailed it to get out of the drama that comes with OP's family. It sounds like she genuinely cares about him and I can see why he's smitten with her so fast.
My favorite part of this is Mark literally owned up to his mistake and was like this is obviously over and i get it and i don't wanna go to the wedding. And the mom is like "Nah fuck you you're going."
Mark didn't really own up to anything. He just announced he would quietly sulk out of view and was still against OP being happy, instead of making a scene every other day. He's still acting like a total spoiled narcissistic child. Basically sees women as toys, and even if he doesn't want them, his brother shouldn't have them either.
The thing is that I don't even think the mother has pressured Mark into attending, she just wants to control op and is mad on Mark's behalf even if Mark couldn't care less
Love how in the end the mom is like "Strangers don't have the right to call me a bad person". I'm here sitting like: "ok then, who does? Family? ... Oh wait"
Man are people's attention spans so short... Here is the rundown; Mark was the golden child of the family, to the point OOP's parents forced him to give him his car OOP bought with his money, and even put shellfish with the OOP is allergic to in a dinner supposedly for OOP. OOP leaves state for college and cuts contact with toxic parents. Jenn, only dated Mark for a month because Mark "got bored" of a relationship. Oop meets Jenn when he moves back into state, and only reestablishes contact for his sisters, and isn't aware mark dated jenn, bc he was no contact with the family. Mark is still sort of a shitty brother golden baby boy, mommy dearest assaults Jenn in epic tantrum, and Daddy dearest is an enabler. Still see golden boy Mark as their baby who can do no wrong. Oop and Jenn decided to finally cut out his toxic brother, parents, and family. Sisters, aunt, and uncle are still good.
@@Potramon yeah it would just be you. The amount of apologizing for Mark's behaviour in the comments is ridiculous - that only means those commenting in support of Mark are exactly like Mark.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 probably proyection of people who were the golden child. Still i can also see this is more the parents raise him like that. Not diminishing how much of an A-hole Mark is, but after you see his parents, you can realize he was raise into this behaviour.
This toxic behaviour of child favouritism is such an epidemic in families. It blinds parents from creating a safe space for raising their children. It’s crazy how the mother behaved terribly making everything about Mark the golden child. Making him the entitled person he is. No accountability for his actions. Scolding the older brother when he was in the wrong. Out of order. No wonder certain people have cut off their families
I've watched the video in its entirety, I still think OP's brother is a moron with low self esteem and no confidence in himself that did his shit stunt to boost his ego only for it to backfire horribly
Wym? Honestly my thoughts beginning to end were “wow brother must be a dick” and “wow so the brothers a dick, and the parents are insane” what aren’t we supposed to be judging? Nobody was validated through updates or further in, so who/what are you trying to defend?
@@smo_phoenix Several people are saying that OP is wrong in marrying his brother's ex but they haven't even watched the video to understand the context
@@smo_phoenix The Mother is a narcissist and the dad is basically just giving her a free pass, the spoiled child Mark was always going to be fucked up in this scenario tbh, the main issue is the parents, the mother needs actual help though because her behaviour is psychotic and she probably is mentally incapable of understanding her warped behaviour.
That mother. Oh my god. The way she tried to gaslight her son after her other son tried to steal his fiance over some bs that he made up in his head, and then say that it's op being insecure to not let him at the wedding. Id shid
To the mom who’s upset about Mark not being invited to the wedding It’s OP’s wedding not Mark’s wedding Get over it If OP doesn’t want to invite Mark to the wedding then he will not invite Mark to the wedding understand it respect it get over it
And the worst is that MARK DIDN'T WANT TO GO. She threw her only chance of getting her son back for literally no reason at all. She definitely deserves what happened, and it surprises me the sisters were able to forgive her and etc
I grew up in an abusive household. My mom was a single mom, and she suffers from bipolar disorder that was undiagnosed at the time. She also got married to a guy who was also an abusive pos. I got a lot of abuse from them, physically and mentally. It only stopped after I left after I turned 18. I understand op and it sounds like she has some sort of illness that isn’t being addressed. I’m happy that my mom eventually divorced dbag after she caught him cheating on her. We had a talk where she broke down and said she was sorry. I’ve chosen to forgive and she was even at my wedding. Now we’re cool with each other and she doesn’t get mad when I’m honest with her about what I think, which is a big reason I would be abused as a child. Reconciling is always worth a shot, but it doesn’t always work out.
As for OP’s mom you can’t kick him out at 17 you can get arrested for that Your son Mark wanted a car he didn’t specify that he wanted OP’s car so you didn’t have to have to tell OP to give his car to Mark instead you could of went to a dealership and bought Mark a car
so at first Mark was suspicious of Jen and wanted to make sure she was genuine Then after there meeting made a somewhat apology and decided to not go to the wedding because of past. CRAZY WOMEN INITIATE
I’ve been binging these videos for the past few weeks since they’re somewhat addictive. It’s like having Stephen Hawking narrate an episode of ‘Jerry Springer’. With each new story, I become happier knowing I’m not that stupid, while also fearing that there’s a chance that I actually am that stupid.
So the family that is defending Mark is ignoring the fact mark mutually agreed on not going AND the fact he had the audacity to propose to ops girl ops mom is also showing A LOT of favoritism for Mark I hope op and Jen are doing better.
Mark is stoking the fires in the background. He knows he can always get what he wants from mom and has been putting a battery in her back to do this. He is mad his brother 'took' something from him. When the proposal failed, he went covert with mom. He could have easily ended this by telling them to cool it and that he doesnt want to go. Him caring whether or not if he's going NC with him, was his way of seeing if op knew he was causing all this. He doesn't want to be the bad guy.😂
I think the only viable solution would've been to get OP, Mark, and the mother in a room and have OP directly ask him if he wants to go. If Mark has been honest, he'll have the same response and the mother will be forced to hear that she is trying to hurt her golden child by trying to get him into the wedding. If Mark has been dishonest, he'll have to maintain the lie with either OP or the mother, thereby revealing his manipulation to the other. This is good for the mother as her golden child will have blatantly lied to her, or good for the OP as his brother will actively prove that he should have his contact cut as well.
Its so amazing the fact that even afther what he did, because he owned to his mistakes and didn't disturbed them any more, mark just didn't got blocked, the man was like "ye, I f-up, sorry bout it, peace" and vanished for the rest of the story
I love your content, I shouldn’t be as hooked to these stories as I am lol, but if I may give some constructive criticism, I think it would help with clarity if you use a different color for the subtitles when you do an editors note, I often just read the text instead of listening and it can get confusing, keep up the great work though!!
Mark has issues if a 1month relationship got this kind of reaction. OP was probably like "Dude, if you dated my Ex I'd call you an idiot if you broke it off with her because she dated me".
I kinda pity his dad. He doesn’t seem even remotely as bad as the mom. He just seems like he’s trying to damage control her clinically insane behaviour.
Some people really go out of their way to forgive absolutely whatever people pull. I have cut off people from my life for FAR less and Im happy with that.
I like how laid back most of the siblings(probably got it from their father), mark had a bit of their mother in him but at least he knows how to back down and listen.
I atleast respect mark for just keeping to himself after and calming down after his proposal scheme didnt work out and stepping out of the drama unlike with what u see in most stories
The thing that would mess me uo the most is knowing that they had been intimate before. Even though there probably wasnt much if any emotional connection, but still not nice to think your brother used to have your wife bent over 😂
@@Moleoflands Dude she was his ex. They dated. And they were adults when they dated. They had sex. And probably a lot of it. That's normal in adult relationships
@@StonedHunter But it's not. It's also a previous relationship. And sure for some people sex doesn't mean anything. For others it does. Not that hard to comprehend. And idk I wouldn't fancy sitting at a dinner table for a family event knowing my partner had relations with one of my family members. And same for vice versa. I wouldn't wanna be at their house knowing I've been with someone else in their immediate family. I'm not sure how you can't understand that.
Honestly, mark was wrong at the beginning, but hes also a victim of his mother. The mother is a manipulater and shows by how mark just wants to be left out of the drama. Its a really bad look to date your family/friends ex though.
If nothing bad happened then why is it a bad look? I never understood that mindset. It just comes across as creepy and over possessive while treating the partner like an object
@StonedHunter it's insanely creepy/disgusting to go for people your family has been with. Not to mention disrespectful considering most people prefer living a life that didn't have their exes hanging around at events. This has nothing to do with possession, I think your projecting.
fr. doesnt have a narrator with an annoying voice, and has clear transitions that say when it's the next update or something. and best of all, it doesn't give their own opinion that i never asked for
It’s always about Mark, but not always about your other son, Mark, this Mark Don’t try to gaslight your son don’t try to manipulate your son, emotionally or psychologically, uninviting him was not a step too far that was a choice that he made You not letting it go, persisting and confronting him about him not inviting Mark to the wedding is considered a step too far. now that but you can’t seem to let it go drop it at this point when your son gets older he’s not going to show his kids to you or let you anywhere near his kids. You being a horrible mother is a step too far.
The OP is completely right. The fact "Mark" himself understand proves that there is a *_very unhealthy attachment_* from the mother to "Mark". The fact that "Mark" really thought "Jen" was trying to "get back at him hrough his brother" is proven by his very sincere apology.
The OP's mom has proven that she can't be taken seriously when it comes to being a good mom to all of her children but chose to play favorites with her youngest son and that was most disrespectful in the long run plus it proves one thing: actions speak louder than words and always will plus the OP's mom should realize that and accept that thanks to her own indifference, she has lost her right to have contact with her first child and there's no coming back from that reality big time period.
The parents’ especially the mom created a monster… the mom is delusional. I bet if OP ended up inviting Mark and Mark didn’t show up, the mom would *still* blame OP for Mark not showing up.🤦🏿♀️
People typing in the comments because they only read the title and didn't see the video (which explained they dated for only a month and that MARK had broken up with her).
The brother causes this shit, doesn't take responsibility and lets OP deal with the mess he made, his attitude towards the situation shows what an immature ass he is, why in the ever loving fuck would you apologize for punching him when he was the cause of it, he should be apologizing for this mess.
I didn't hear anywhere in this story that either OP or Mark told their mom that it was Mark's idea to not go to the wedding first, OP just kept saying it was mutually agreed upon. The mom clearly took that as "Mark agreed to OP's terms" not "Mark wanted this and suggested this first". Just by her comments of "You aren't letting him come over one mistake". I'm not sure if this actually would have changed the outcome cause of her issues, but it might have.
Oh my god the whole “family” shit is so annoying. It’s only family when the abused speaks up or defends themselves. When the parents/siblings are the one abusing, family isn’t even on their mind. Shits so annoying.
I always find it weird that when stuff happens in other family's between 2 people. Op's tend to say they get loads of messages from other family members like what the hell. What do others have to do eith it. Its just sad
Strangers on the internet are the MOST qualified to comment on situations like this, as they bring an outside perspective not influenced the past or emotions.
Yes, that mom is absolutely toxic and narcissistic and OP is right to cut off her and anybody that enables her but it didn't have to escalate to this degree if Mark had just sent a text to his mom saying he didn't even want to go to the wedding and to lay off. Mark will publicly fake a proposal, embarrassing himself and everyone there but he won't call his mom to cool off a situation he started. When shit hit the fan, that's when he wanted to stay out of it. The fake proposal was probably a twisted blessing in disguise cause at least OP found out sooner than later that his parents are still horrible but Mark couldn't act like a good brother just that once. If I was OP, I'd also go no contact with Mark.
The mistake OP did when talking to his mother was focusing on the not invited part. He should have focused the discussion on Mark not wanting to be there and thereby making an invitation obsolete.
I'll never understand why people make proposing a public spectale. It puts unwanted pressure on the one being proposed to. Yeah, do it in public, but in a way that the one you propose to doesn't feel pressured to say yes
99% of the time women are being proposed to, no exageration that just is. I can agree with you on that however judging by the norm of the occurance it's only an issue for some but you're stating it as if it's an issue in of itself. Many proposals have been done in public and the women loved it. So for me although I get where you're coming from, I see this more of a woman to woman basis issue and not a "it's bad by default". Many women have said no during public proposal, so the pressure didn't stop them, many women have said yes and been fine. But those few whom say yes and don't mean yes or say no because the pressure made them nervous, is that who were are judging public proposal by? if so it's not a logical stance to take. I proposed in private on a 3 day weekend trip with just me and the wife, good hotel, candle light and such. But not because of pressure, I knew she would say yes, we're just both private people. First thing she did was tell her family, mine already knew I was going to.
This mother is very unhinged, i can't stand when parents do this to their children. That mother needs help bad Edit: i get the father wants to keep family a family, but the things his mother said are unforgivable. She can't come back from what she said
That “mom” has issues sounds narcissistic to me and using one child to praise and punishing everyone else is terrible also the mom has severe issues so of course she’d think strangers on the internet don’t have any standing for what they’re saying the sad thing is she’s not going to change and live with this behavior until she dies
plot twist: Mark has been feeding his mom false lies, and whining to her that OP told him he didnt want him at his wedding and that OP knew Jen was Mark's ex and the dad is only enabling it all to keep the peace and the mom is fighting so hard because she believes Mark's lies and OP dont know that his brother is feed his mom lies. If that aint true than the mom is still a villain for stirring up the hive of bees and getting pissed when she gets stung. And the dad aint much better for allowing it all to happen.
The mom needs to get over the fact that it’s the brother that uninvited himself. Op could reinvite his brother and he could still turn down the invitation. Mom needs to stop
The brother must pick one: > "If the roles were reversed I'd do the same thing" (broke up with the girl he found out was once with his brother) > Proposing to your ex-gf in front of her current fiance who's your brother
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It’s wild that Mark went from villain to NPC while Mom went from NPC to main villain.
Mom really dwarfed Mark from boss to mini boss lol
100 % true lmao. That woman absolutely does not deserve to be called a mother. Being a parent is about more than just giving birth, and she absolutely and completely failed at that.
Mark just mellowed out and chilled
But dayum the mother went absolute ham💀
Lol 😂 so true
I like how the two brothers essentially "agreed to disagree" and mutually decided Mark was not attending the wedding, to be as amicable as possible. The mother is the one who didnt respect boundaries at all.
It’s literally the mom who’s keeping the drama alive because she thinks her precious golden child is being “punished unfairly”, but Mark doesn’t want to be In the wedding. Not unless Mark is saying something behind closed doors and Dad the enabler is not reigning in his delusional wife.
It sounds like he is. He's trying to 'stay out of it' but he's the cause of this. And Dad is definitely leaning to be as delusional as the Mom ( 21:43 )
That’s the problem. She foolishly shields him from facing consequences for his actions. Now look how it’s blown up in her face. She’s now blocked 🚫 out of her older son’s life
@@lmusima3275I mean it's not like she's gonna care about him, all she cares about is Mark.
She's doing the twitter user thing where Mark doesn't even give a shit but she has to defend him anyways. I feel like she just wants conflict, and ya know how it goes, the blood god cares not from where the blood flows, as long as she can create drama she will pick the opportunity.
@@megan00b8 We at least agree on something foul traitor to the Emperor.
"Past mistakes"?! Woman, you're making the same one RIGHT NOW! Unbelievable
Like when the dad said you have to understand her point of view - SHE LITERALLY CALLED OP A MISTAKE LIKE 2 MINUTES AGO
Honestly with ops upbringing I’m surprised he never snapped and decided to actually earn his punishment for being a “bad role model”. It might just be my anger issues as a kid but I feel like at any point the having to sign over the car it the point I would have snapped no matter what. Mark would have grown up learning to fear me when angry as I would basically hulk out as a kid luckily I’ve calmed down since then.
Thats what my dad is like. I told him he was a bad father and he said "why are you still holding that above my head" first of all i never told him that before and secondly he never stopped
I cant even blame Mark for how he is, their mother is the reason he turned out that way. Shes the real villain in this story.
Fr I'm getting sick of the whole "but he's/she's family" argument
To an extent yeah. But hes also a grown ass man that can improve himself and move away from how he was treated. My younger sister is the golden child of the family. My aunt is always at her place, playing with my nieces, so is my mum but my kids and i are ignored. My sister doesnt act this way.
@@bekleedee Kinda hard to improve when you don't see your in the wrong. He'll never improve with his mom around
Maybe the reason mark is the favorite is because he is an affair baby and your father doesn't know.
@@Harespider thats very true. It's hard to see a problem when you're being told no no you're perfect.
What completely baffles me is that mark uninvited himself. Their mother had literally no point in fighting to invite him because he wouldn’t show up regardless. She assaulted his fiancee and excused Mark’s attempt at ruining her son’s happiness for literally no reason. She needs more than family therapy, she needs specific personal therapy to look into why shes so delusional. I think she’s genuinely ill. Their father is an enabler and needs to acknowledge when his wife is doing wrong and needs help working on that as well, but he’s not as mentally concerning as her. Mark is unfortunately the product of favoritism and while he could attempt to be amicable, he doesn’t understand what’s wrong because he’s always enabled, excused, and given what he wants. He needs a grip on reality, but their mother needs to be locked up either behind bars or in a mental hospital for a little while to understand shes not being “treated” like a villain, she IS a villain.
This!!! 🎯🎯🎯
The mother is a demonic fool at the end of the day. She’s an enabler pedestaliser
I was about to say you were sympathizing with her too much but then I read the second half. I love this post.
Mark is an extension of Mom's ego
Because if Mark doesnt go then the image of her family is up in smoke
It’s good that mark is at least semi-understanding unlike the parents. All this probably wouldn’t have happened if the parents had parented better
I don't think he is understanding. He wouldn't have taken the car or pulled what he did. He's probably pulling mom's strings in the dark. Or at least, he should have told her publicly to stop
It's crazy that Mark kinda just gave up and accepted what was happening, and the mom is the one that's fighting for him (even though he doesn't want it?) nothing she does makes sense.
It's about her ego. And disfavoring the odd duck
💯% mom has been fully corrupted by the insidious, supernatural parasite women are born with.
Parasite be like:
Amicable breakups of toxic relationships (in this case OP and his brother) are poison to us.
Without toxic social relationships, humans are virtually impossible to corrupt. Their weaknesses of extreme ego, vanity, moral fanaticism, etc. cannot be exploited.
=========
It makes sense from the parasite's point of view. Probably hoping to spread to Mark.
OP's mother just obeys the parasite's commands.
The parasite is non-sapient so has lower intelligence than a human. Think like a cat 🐈.
=====
The parasites actions backfired though. The family just got sick of mom's drama.
OP and gf got closer from bonding from the shared bizarre experience.
So happy 😆 ending.
OP's mother is a narc and his father enables her. Mark unfortunately is a product of his upbringing but seems less toxic than their parents, if only slightly less. Jenn and OP deserve to be happy, and glad they figured out what to do in the end. Hopefully the mother doesn't fall off at the deep end and take things to the extreme but she's a narcissist, she's "never at fault".
Mark seems waaaay less toxic and I would argue that his reasons for acting the way he did were decent
@@ShiNijuuAKL nah, I don't agree with that assessment, but that's because you're like Mark. Cheers.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 So you wouldn't find it weird that your ex who you dumped and who was seen looking for you suddenly becomes your brother's girlfriend and magically never find outs that you are related until they meet in person?
@@ShiNijuuAKL I don't have a brother for one, and secondly I wouldn't care - even if I had a brother I'd be like "cool, you got my sloppy seconds". Depending on how that relationship ended, I'd either be apathetic or congratulatory. I'm not a confrontational psychopath like some of you in the comments.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 Then you will be a bad brother and a extremely naive person. If Mike was right and he allowed this to continue, multiple problematic things could have happened in the future:
1. His crazy ex would be around and nobody knows what she would do. She would have access to private information of Mike and could potentially interfere in his future relationships.
2. His brother would feel used if he discovers the truth.
Not sure why no-one has mentioned this, but OPs sisters are absolute winners
Right??
No. His sister Charlotte is the worst. B!tch just because you give birth to little gremlin doesn't give you the right to demand your siblings to reconnect with abusive parents.
Don't know why they also are not going no contact with the parents. They will also come second to mark. Their kids will always get less than what mark's future kid will get from them. They will always resent how the parents treated them and now treat their kids.
Parents who pick favorites always seem so shocked when their other children seem to stop listening to them when they get old enough to leave.
Look, theres alot of stuff about OPs mother down here... but can I throw out that Jenn goes to war for OP against mother over the phone and im just here being like... "BRO SHE THE ONE, YOU DID GOOD MY GUY."
Yep!! She’s a real one!! And it’s a good thing the mother didn’t go to the wedding because she would’ve ruined it because Mark wasn’t invited…
24:04 at this point i completely forgot that this was originally about Mark and Mark was the reason this whole post/story even started. everything had just moved onto how crazy the mom is
You wrote mark and mark
@@umar4664 i was using "and" as a conjunction of the 2 sentences, not as a separator of a list. So with proper grammar it's "...Mark, and Mark..."
Idc
Y'all need to grow up. She's technically Mark's "ex" but he never wanted a gf and they barely dated. LoL Adults can go on with their lives. Mark the ex is creating highschool drama.
I personally consider an "ex" to be someone you had a serious relationship with and then broke up for whatever reason, not someone you casually dated a couple weeks then got bored of. Considering the latter an "ex" screams "middle school".
BuT ThIs Is AgAiNsT BrO CoDe 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
JK JK JK obviously
@@Mitchell2311what 😂
@@Mitchell2311 what "bro code"? I've never heard of that and I'm 38.
@@Mitchell2311 yup
The mother needs to get a mother-effing grip for once in her life and face the fact that she ruined her family by spoiling Mark. Then she needs to hear from Mark how he decided to remove himself from the wedding and accept it. She's so anal about keeping the peace when she's causing chaos left and right. Thank God Mark had the sense to be civil when he rescinded his invite.
I have a theory that Mark is an affair baby and nobody but OP’s mother knows about it.
Not familliar with the typical behaviours around affair babies, but why would they become the most precious jewels of the lot?
@@FlamesAndShadows I theorize that when a woman cheats, her heart belongs to her affair partner but she wants the comfortable life her husband provides as a backup plan. So she continues her version of love through the child that she and her affair partner created. Like I said it’s a theory, because I truly don’t know if a cheater is even capable of loving someone else besides themselves.
I don't think so. Sometimes, parents just have favorites. The most compliant, the most likely to succeed, the most attractive...the most popular...
@@theanominousyour theory is completely plausible. Narcissists often attach themselves to others who they see as an extension of themselves. Her son was probably that.
It happens a lot maybe they should do DNA test
Jen sounds like a keeper and a really nice person. She tried to keep out of it, didn't press OP for details, and only put her foot down after all that, and one of her conditions was to have OP go to therapy. And, she hasn't just turned and high-tailed it to get out of the drama that comes with OP's family. It sounds like she genuinely cares about him and I can see why he's smitten with her so fast.
My favorite part of this is Mark literally owned up to his mistake and was like this is obviously over and i get it and i don't wanna go to the wedding. And the mom is like "Nah fuck you you're going."
She just hates her kids and she uses the youngest to hurt the others.
"Nah fuck you you're going" LMAO 🤣🤣
Mark didn't really own up to anything. He just announced he would quietly sulk out of view and was still against OP being happy, instead of making a scene every other day. He's still acting like a total spoiled narcissistic child. Basically sees women as toys, and even if he doesn't want them, his brother shouldn't have them either.
The thing is that I don't even think the mother has pressured Mark into attending, she just wants to control op and is mad on Mark's behalf even if Mark couldn't care less
Mark turned out bad but not nearly as bad as he could have considering. Hopefully he realizes and seeks help.
“Why are you treating me like a villain???”
“Uhh because you are?”
Love how in the end the mom is like "Strangers don't have the right to call me a bad person". I'm here sitting like: "ok then, who does? Family? ... Oh wait"
Man are people's attention spans so short...
Here is the rundown;
Mark was the golden child of the family, to the point OOP's parents forced him to give him his car OOP bought with his money, and even put shellfish with the OOP is allergic to in a dinner supposedly for OOP. OOP leaves state for college and cuts contact with toxic parents. Jenn, only dated Mark for a month because Mark "got bored" of a relationship. Oop meets Jenn when he moves back into state, and only reestablishes contact for his sisters, and isn't aware mark dated jenn, bc he was no contact with the family.
Mark is still sort of a shitty brother golden baby boy, mommy dearest assaults Jenn in epic tantrum, and Daddy dearest is an enabler. Still see golden boy Mark as their baby who can do no wrong.
Oop and Jenn decided to finally cut out his toxic brother, parents, and family. Sisters, aunt, and uncle are still good.
He didn't cut out his toxic brother, he is just not invited to the wedding
@@ShiNijuuAKLi was about to text the same thing, but yeah, the brother seem more of misguided than being a huge asshole, but that might just be me
@@Potramon yeah it would just be you. The amount of apologizing for Mark's behaviour in the comments is ridiculous - that only means those commenting in support of Mark are exactly like Mark.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 probably proyection of people who were the golden child.
Still i can also see this is more the parents raise him like that. Not diminishing how much of an A-hole Mark is, but after you see his parents, you can realize he was raise into this behaviour.
@@SenseiRaisen exactly
This toxic behaviour of child favouritism is such an epidemic in families. It blinds parents from creating a safe space for raising their children. It’s crazy how the mother behaved terribly making everything about Mark the golden child. Making him the entitled person he is. No accountability for his actions. Scolding the older brother when he was in the wrong. Out of order. No wonder certain people have cut off their families
VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO AND NOT JUDGE THE SITUATION BASED ON THE TITLE
Holy hell OP's mom has a special place in hell
I've watched the video in its entirety, I still think OP's brother is a moron with low self esteem and no confidence in himself that did his shit stunt to boost his ego only for it to backfire horribly
Wym? Honestly my thoughts beginning to end were “wow brother must be a dick” and “wow so the brothers a dick, and the parents are insane” what aren’t we supposed to be judging? Nobody was validated through updates or further in, so who/what are you trying to defend?
Brother is an easily manipulated idiot and the parents are insane
@@smo_phoenix Several people are saying that OP is wrong in marrying his brother's ex but they haven't even watched the video to understand the context
@@smo_phoenix The Mother is a narcissist and the dad is basically just giving her a free pass, the spoiled child Mark was always going to be fucked up in this scenario tbh, the main issue is the parents, the mother needs actual help though because her behaviour is psychotic and she probably is mentally incapable of understanding her warped behaviour.
That mother. Oh my god. The way she tried to gaslight her son after her other son tried to steal his fiance over some bs that he made up in his head, and then say that it's op being insecure to not let him at the wedding. Id shid
To the mom who’s upset about Mark not being invited to the wedding
It’s OP’s wedding not Mark’s wedding
Get over it
If OP doesn’t want to invite Mark to the wedding then he will not invite Mark to the wedding understand it respect it get over it
I mean, it might be different if the reason was BS like racism or homophobia, but seriously.
And the worst is that MARK DIDN'T WANT TO GO.
She threw her only chance of getting her son back for literally no reason at all. She definitely deserves what happened, and it surprises me the sisters were able to forgive her and etc
@@RequiemPoete homophobia is based
I grew up in an abusive household. My mom was a single mom, and she suffers from bipolar disorder that was undiagnosed at the time. She also got married to a guy who was also an abusive pos. I got a lot of abuse from them, physically and mentally. It only stopped after I left after I turned 18. I understand op and it sounds like she has some sort of illness that isn’t being addressed. I’m happy that my mom eventually divorced dbag after she caught him cheating on her. We had a talk where she broke down and said she was sorry. I’ve chosen to forgive and she was even at my wedding. Now we’re cool with each other and she doesn’t get mad when I’m honest with her about what I think, which is a big reason I would be abused as a child. Reconciling is always worth a shot, but it doesn’t always work out.
It would be funny if he allowed Mark to be in the wedding as a guest, just to make the mom mad.
"Dont worry you are uninvited anyway" I LOVE OP!!!
As for OP’s mom you can’t kick him out at 17 you can get arrested for that
Your son Mark wanted a car he didn’t specify that he wanted OP’s car so you didn’t have to have to tell OP to give his car to Mark instead you could of went to a dealership and bought Mark a car
That was cheaper in her point of view I guess
@@Bababooyii
Maybe because she didn’t want to go out there and buy a car with her own god damn money
And the way she behaved along with her threat is akin to a bully
Also she’s lazy
OP's mom ended up completely eclipsing Mark in villainy as the story progressed.
"Throwing old mistakes in her face" You mean... Consequences of her actions?
so at first Mark was suspicious of Jen and wanted to make sure she was genuine Then after there meeting made a somewhat apology and decided to not go to the wedding because of past. CRAZY WOMEN INITIATE
Poor girl
"I'm not close to my family, you won't ever see them"
family proceeds to be the worst thing about dating him.
I bet ya that the mom want to replace OP with Mark as the groom.
That mom is insane
I’ve been binging these videos for the past few weeks since they’re somewhat addictive. It’s like having Stephen Hawking narrate an episode of ‘Jerry Springer’. With each new story, I become happier knowing I’m not that stupid, while also fearing that there’s a chance that I actually am that stupid.
So the family that is defending Mark is ignoring the fact mark mutually agreed on not going AND the fact he had the audacity to propose to ops girl ops mom is also showing A LOT of favoritism for Mark I hope op and Jen are doing better.
Mark is stoking the fires in the background.
He knows he can always get what he wants from mom and has been putting a battery in her back to do this.
He is mad his brother 'took' something from him.
When the proposal failed, he went covert with mom.
He could have easily ended this by telling them to cool it and that he doesnt want to go.
Him caring whether or not if he's going NC with him, was his way of seeing if op knew he was causing all this.
He doesn't want to be the bad guy.😂
I think the only viable solution would've been to get OP, Mark, and the mother in a room and have OP directly ask him if he wants to go.
If Mark has been honest, he'll have the same response and the mother will be forced to hear that she is trying to hurt her golden child by trying to get him into the wedding.
If Mark has been dishonest, he'll have to maintain the lie with either OP or the mother, thereby revealing his manipulation to the other. This is good for the mother as her golden child will have blatantly lied to her, or good for the OP as his brother will actively prove that he should have his contact cut as well.
Its so amazing the fact that even afther what he did, because he owned to his mistakes and didn't disturbed them any more, mark just didn't got blocked, the man was like "ye, I f-up, sorry bout it, peace" and vanished for the rest of the story
10:05 "you're an asshole! That was in the past!"
"Yet you're still making the same mistakes..."
I love your content, I shouldn’t be as hooked to these stories as I am lol, but if I may give some constructive criticism, I think it would help with clarity if you use a different color for the subtitles when you do an editors note, I often just read the text instead of listening and it can get confusing, keep up the great work though!!
i love that mark just didn't give a shit. and op's mom just kept going and going and beating the dead horse 100million times over😭
The way Mark went from villian to pretty chill and basically unimportant in the end
I think the mum is actually worse than the brother
Mother making OP give his own car that he bought with his own money to mark is wild
Mark has issues if a 1month relationship got this kind of reaction. OP was probably like "Dude, if you dated my Ex I'd call you an idiot if you broke it off with her because she dated me".
I kinda pity his dad.
He doesn’t seem even remotely as bad as the mom.
He just seems like he’s trying to damage control her clinically insane behaviour.
Some people really go out of their way to forgive absolutely whatever people pull. I have cut off people from my life for FAR less and Im happy with that.
I like how laid back most of the siblings(probably got it from their father), mark had a bit of their mother in him but at least he knows how to back down and listen.
So glad my parents weren’t insane and loved my sister and I equally as kids, and now as adults. Good Lord, the drama.
I love how Mark turned into a okay guy at the end of this, not at all like I was expecting it to go by the title
I atleast respect mark for just keeping to himself after and calming down after his proposal scheme didnt work out and stepping out of the drama unlike with what u see in most stories
The thing that would mess me uo the most is knowing that they had been intimate before. Even though there probably wasnt much if any emotional connection, but still not nice to think your brother used to have your wife bent over 😂
That's never said it happened.
@@Moleoflands Dude she was his ex. They dated. And they were adults when they dated. They had sex. And probably a lot of it. That's normal in adult relationships
@Celtic00 ok who cares? It's just sex. People put way way too much weight into it. Why are you thinking about your siblings' sex life anyway?
@@StonedHunter But it's not. It's also a previous relationship. And sure for some people sex doesn't mean anything. For others it does. Not that hard to comprehend. And idk I wouldn't fancy sitting at a dinner table for a family event knowing my partner had relations with one of my family members. And same for vice versa. I wouldn't wanna be at their house knowing I've been with someone else in their immediate family. I'm not sure how you can't understand that.
If Mark was a better person, he should of told the mum HIMSELF that it was his himself that decided he won't attend the wedding.
Honestly, mark was wrong at the beginning, but hes also a victim of his mother. The mother is a manipulater and shows by how mark just wants to be left out of the drama.
Its a really bad look to date your family/friends ex though.
Not OP's fault. He didn't know it was Mark's ex, and she was only his ex for a few weeks.
If nothing bad happened then why is it a bad look? I never understood that mindset. It just comes across as creepy and over possessive while treating the partner like an object
@StonedHunter it's insanely creepy/disgusting to go for people your family has been with. Not to mention disrespectful considering most people prefer living a life that didn't have their exes hanging around at events. This has nothing to do with possession, I think your projecting.
JENN NEEDS TO BREAK THE ENGAGEMENT AND RUN FAR FROM THIS FAMILY!!!
Parents are toxic, but it is good that OP is keeping in touch with the sisters as they are not crazy.
You even have updates? U arre definitely the best Reddit stories channel
fr. doesnt have a narrator with an annoying voice, and has clear transitions that say when it's the next update or something. and best of all, it doesn't give their own opinion that i never asked for
Jen should be really thankful to Mark because he broke up with her. She dodged the Red Flag brother and got the Green Flag Brother.
But wtf did the dad do??😂😂😂
It’s funny that the mother didn’t know the son was allergic to shellfish 😂
Hard to believe the OP's father doesn't try to rein in his delusional wife.
It’s always about Mark, but not always about your other son, Mark, this Mark
Don’t try to gaslight your son don’t try to manipulate your son, emotionally or psychologically, uninviting him was not a step too far that was a choice that he made
You not letting it go, persisting and confronting him about him not inviting Mark to the wedding is considered a step too far. now that but you can’t seem to let it go drop it at this point when your son gets older he’s not going to show his kids to you or let you anywhere near his kids. You being a horrible mother is a step too far.
the upside down parkour is crazy
The OP is completely right. The fact "Mark" himself understand proves that there is a *_very unhealthy attachment_* from the mother to "Mark". The fact that "Mark" really thought "Jen" was trying to "get back at him hrough his brother" is proven by his very sincere apology.
Mom: Don't throw my past mistakes in my face!!
She yells while continuously making those same mistakes
this is the biggest problem: not prosecuting mommies
This went from been about his AH of a brother, to his parents been bigger AH's than 10 of his brothers
The OP's mom has proven that she can't be taken seriously when it comes to being a good mom to all of her children but chose to play favorites with her youngest son and that was most disrespectful in the long run plus it proves one thing: actions speak louder than words and always will plus the OP's mom should realize that and accept that thanks to her own indifference, she has lost her right to have contact with her first child and there's no coming back from that reality big time period.
The parents’ especially the mom created a monster… the mom is delusional. I bet if OP ended up inviting Mark and Mark didn’t show up, the mom would *still* blame OP for Mark not showing up.🤦🏿♀️
Lmao OP's mother needs a reality check on being human
People typing in the comments because they only read the title and didn't see the video (which explained they dated for only a month and that MARK had broken up with her).
Bro code. Month or 3 weeks, don't matter. Was destined for drama due to not following the bro code.
@@drjonesey5- More like childish behaviour is the cause
No, the title said all I needed to know. Two brothers fucked the same girl. I feel sorry for the kind of people who think this is normal.
@@drjonesey5imagine still believing in that bro code shit lmao
mark messed up once and he’s seems chill and he was ok with not going by why was the mom making such a big deal about it
The brother causes this shit, doesn't take responsibility and lets OP deal with the mess he made, his attitude towards the situation shows what an immature ass he is, why in the ever loving fuck would you apologize for punching him when he was the cause of it, he should be apologizing for this mess.
That mother's narciccism is on a whole new level.
Honestly mark wasnt even that bad as i expected, immatute and bad is i would say what he was, real villian was the mom
This is Clearly a golden Child situation
mark definitely golden child of mother
I don't get why the sisters are still talking with the parents. The parents were awful to them too.
Mom is angry that Jen chose OP over Mark, unlike she usually does! It's an anomaly to her that her golden child wasn't chosen.
Oop is a doormat i would have called the police and had mommy dearest charged.
That's why Jenn like him.
I didn't hear anywhere in this story that either OP or Mark told their mom that it was Mark's idea to not go to the wedding first, OP just kept saying it was mutually agreed upon. The mom clearly took that as "Mark agreed to OP's terms" not "Mark wanted this and suggested this first". Just by her comments of "You aren't letting him come over one mistake". I'm not sure if this actually would have changed the outcome cause of her issues, but it might have.
Oh my god the whole “family” shit is so annoying. It’s only family when the abused speaks up or defends themselves. When the parents/siblings are the one abusing, family isn’t even on their mind. Shits so annoying.
Even though mark exploded at the beginning, I feel like he isn’t the villain. He owned up to his mistake and moved on unlike the mother
Y didn't mark just tell his mom he didn't wanna go? Why didn't op say that he didn't want to come?
I always find it weird that when stuff happens in other family's between 2 people. Op's tend to say they get loads of messages from other family members like what the hell. What do others have to do eith it. Its just sad
Strangers on the internet are the MOST qualified to comment on situations like this, as they bring an outside perspective not influenced the past or emotions.
Yes, that mom is absolutely toxic and narcissistic and OP is right to cut off her and anybody that enables her but it didn't have to escalate to this degree if Mark had just sent a text to his mom saying he didn't even want to go to the wedding and to lay off. Mark will publicly fake a proposal, embarrassing himself and everyone there but he won't call his mom to cool off a situation he started. When shit hit the fan, that's when he wanted to stay out of it. The fake proposal was probably a twisted blessing in disguise cause at least OP found out sooner than later that his parents are still horrible but Mark couldn't act like a good brother just that once. If I was OP, I'd also go no contact with Mark.
3:16 if my brother tried to propose to my soon to be wife the cops would have been called just to separate us
I hope he goes no contact with his Mom and Dad. Apparently the Golden Boy means everything to them and he and his mean nothing.
What I would’ve said to the dad was “this is the last words you’ll EVER hear from me you are a horrible parents!”
The mistake OP did when talking to his mother was focusing on the not invited part. He should have focused the discussion on Mark not wanting to be there and thereby making an invitation obsolete.
I'll never understand why people make proposing a public spectale. It puts unwanted pressure on the one being proposed to. Yeah, do it in public, but in a way that the one you propose to doesn't feel pressured to say yes
99% of the time women are being proposed to, no exageration that just is. I can agree with you on that however judging by the norm of the occurance it's only an issue for some but you're stating it as if it's an issue in of itself. Many proposals have been done in public and the women loved it.
So for me although I get where you're coming from, I see this more of a woman to woman basis issue and not a "it's bad by default". Many women have said no during public proposal, so the pressure didn't stop them, many women have said yes and been fine. But those few whom say yes and don't mean yes or say no because the pressure made them nervous, is that who were are judging public proposal by? if so it's not a logical stance to take.
I proposed in private on a 3 day weekend trip with just me and the wife, good hotel, candle light and such. But not because of pressure, I knew she would say yes, we're just both private people. First thing she did was tell her family, mine already knew I was going to.
Omg just today I saw his past with his parents on tiktok and now I can listen to the whole story, slay
11:56 Girlfriend is spineless in relationship 12:10 girlfriend is tearing the family apart. That's a wild 180.
Thanks for posting the updates!!!
I love how the whole story somehow keeps returning to mark even tho he turned into an npc 💀
This mother is very unhinged, i can't stand when parents do this to their children. That mother needs help bad
Edit: i get the father wants to keep family a family, but the things his mother said are unforgivable. She can't come back from what she said
That “mom” has issues sounds narcissistic to me and using one child to praise and punishing everyone else is terrible also the mom has severe issues so of course she’d think strangers on the internet don’t have any standing for what they’re saying the sad thing is she’s not going to change and live with this behavior until she dies
" nice names" got me bc it means ops fiance cussed ops mom out
plot twist: Mark has been feeding his mom false lies, and whining to her that OP told him he didnt want him at his wedding and that OP knew Jen was Mark's ex and the dad is only enabling it all to keep the peace and the mom is fighting so hard because she believes Mark's lies and OP dont know that his brother is feed his mom lies. If that aint true than the mom is still a villain for stirring up the hive of bees and getting pissed when she gets stung. And the dad aint much better for allowing it all to happen.
The mom needs to get over the fact that it’s the brother that uninvited himself. Op could reinvite his brother and he could still turn down the invitation. Mom needs to stop
The brother must pick one:
> "If the roles were reversed I'd do the same thing" (broke up with the girl he found out was once with his brother)
> Proposing to your ex-gf in front of her current fiance who's your brother