I'm running an MDX spacer on my TL have a 2012 6sp btw and low end torque for me was missing as I had a 3g TL and felt my 4th Gen was slower but with the spacer any gear my tires are stretching, I was try the mdx spacer Your intake will sit way higher but better gains. The spacer is about 1 inch taller then the P2R - My hood sits snug just close it slowly with some pressure looking into hood spacers
While doing a valve lash check/adjust on my 08’ 3.7 MDX I threw the tall 1.5” factory spacer on and it now pulls harder. Can’t expect much from these little 300 pony motors but it helps haul the mail ;)
The intake manifold spacer is supposed to help with low to mid power but you may loose top end. Doing some dragy runs to test and see the results. Unfortunately the day is too humid and hot and I can’t get a proper launch.I would say that this was not an accurate test due to the weather. Stay tuned the testing isn’t over just waiting for that perfect weather because this dragy runs was terrible compared to last times.
I got a spacer from p2r going on with ported runners at the same time. Look at the 2005 Acura MDX it makes full torque at 3500 rpms which is 1000-1500 rpm sooner than my 2017 v6 Accord. Looking at dyno charts on forum even with loss of top end for a street car you’ll make power and torque everywhere else and lose some after 6000-6200 rpm but you don’t spend too much time up there even in a 1/4 mile.
Intake manifolds are always give and take. As you lengthen the runners you shift the power band lower in the rpm range and vice versa. Unless these engines are SUPER sensitive to small temperature changes the issue is probably that the intake already has too short of runners on it to give it a little extra hp on the top end to pump those rookie numbers up. I’ve seen changes in runner length only lose 10-15 peak HP but the trade was a 50+hp gain under the curve. When that happens you can end up with 5-10 more average hp throughout the entire rpm band which I know. doesn’t sound like a lot. But when talking about two otherwise identical cars, the one with a average 5 hp HP advantage will be considerably faster in the 1/4, with the +10-15 peak hp car probably able to eventually eek out a little more top speed. There are a few caveats to that… one being if you have say a car like the s2000 that’s built and geared to spend all its time after launch way above the curve. While the average power part will remain true, power under the curve really doesn’t matter because you spend so little time there. (Disclaimer: I understand this subject is typically talked about using TQ not HP. HP seems to be what most people understand and since it is just a function of torque and rpm you can use them interchangeably. You can’t have one without the other)
Idk why the spacer doesn’t come ported already? P2r doesn’t even offer the option. Halferland performance ports the manifold spacer but it’s best to do intake manifold, runners throttle body and spacer all at once
Great video man, we "HalferLand Performance" specialize in Honda Jseries Performance Parts. Our Turbo J35A7 06' Accord Coupe makes 550whp/467wtq on just 8psi.. and you definitely need an accurate temp day to make a good compassion. We actually posted about this exact topic on our Q&A page of our main website. But the TB and IM spacers are snake oil, all they do is elongated the ports to move the power band around. A shorter port will have more top end and a long will have more low end TQ. When it comes to true performance you want mid and top end power. These spacers literally just shift the power band lower in the rpm, picking up 3-4wtq but losing 4-5whp up top. So it will come out of the hole a little better but then fall flat up top. In our opinion save your money for other modifications such as our HLP light weight crank pulley that gains instant 8-10whp and 6-8wtq , with immediate throttle response. Same price as all of the gaskets and spacers 🤙 You should have also left that first intake on for better comparison, plus SRI's are terrible being they suck in all the hot engine bay air. We are coming out with a 4" Carbon Fiber intake, it will be the coolest running intake temps and largest on the market for the J's
@@bindthedevilloosetheangels it will be listed on our store but you can also follow us on IG for live/real time updates (HalferLand Performance on Instagram)
@@GarrettMedia Thanks man. She's a beast for sure. Zero engine issues built by us...all issues been trans 😑 We are building a Supercharger kit, hopefully releasing 2023.
Damn man 100% has to do with the temps driving on hot days sometime makes me feel like their is something wrong with my car i one day i ended up pulled over and removed all the engine covers to see if it would help cause it was so bad 😂 night runs for best performance
Try the factory air box but remove the lower resonator and add 4" pipe with velocity stack and filter that's what I got on my 9g V6 accord I used the lower filter when it's not raining and use top filter when it is just in case
Great video topic. So whats your conclusion? Sometimes I feel like vtec lags at 6k rpm with torque already. When stock, vtec would rev out faster. I also have throttle body spacer.
a question if I install that to my car acura tl 2010 3.7 I need to adjust the vehicle's computer and that's it Or you don't need to adjust the computer
Hello buddy, I know it's been two years since your video, but what conclusion u got it? worth using the manifold spacer or not? i just installed on my J35 2008 Accord and i really think that a lost peak top power but maybe is faster to 0-60 0-100mph, what do you think after removing it ?
Hey there. Top end definitely is lost. Ended up removing the spacer since I spent most of my time up top and not low to mid power. It’s great for getting out of the hole but tip top is no good imo.
Did you have SRI on the 13.7 run? Also, have you ever tired TC off and just floor it instead of brake boosting? I know I get better times in the TLX if I don't brake boost for some reason. Great video as always🔥.
Sorry if this is a noob question but I got a 2nd gen 03 Acura TL was thinking about swapping intake manifolds and throttle body from the TL-s 3.5. Will this cause codes/problems as far as smog goes cause I’m in California they’re strict about smog laws
@@GarrettMedia no i do not. I am just saying what acura is claiming to run. but even if they are off. you should be faster then that with all the mods. do you have a a actual Dyno Tune? PS keep up the awesome videos. Also you are Automatic like me. how does the trans work with your higher redline change in Ktuner. does it only rev to what you set in Sport mode?
Bro you need a cold air intake, that SRI is killing your gains!!! I bought a takeda momentum CAI and was a huge difference, like night and day compared to the SRI takeda…
this is not a apples to apples comparison. change 1 thing than compare. not 2 things and retest on hot day....... Short ram intake like that is essentially a hot air intake. Which makes it much more noticeable (decrease in performance) on a hot day.
@@GarrettMedia Oh lol honestly I didn’t notice anything with power the only thing that was definite was my exhaust was louder for sure (Borla axel back)
I'm running an MDX spacer on my TL have a 2012 6sp btw and low end torque for me was missing as I had a 3g TL and felt my 4th Gen was slower but with the spacer any gear my tires are stretching, I was try the mdx spacer Your intake will sit way higher but better gains. The spacer is about 1 inch taller then the P2R - My hood sits snug just close it slowly with some pressure looking into hood spacers
While doing a valve lash check/adjust on my 08’ 3.7 MDX I threw the tall 1.5” factory spacer on and it now pulls harder. Can’t expect much from these little 300 pony motors but it helps haul the mail ;)
What spacer are you talking about? love to add more power on my 08' MDX as well.
The intake manifold spacer is supposed to help with low to mid power but you may loose top end. Doing some dragy runs to test and see the results. Unfortunately the day is too humid and hot and I can’t get a proper launch.I would say that this was not an accurate test due to the weather. Stay tuned the testing isn’t over just waiting for that perfect weather because this dragy runs was terrible compared to last times.
I got a spacer from p2r going on with ported runners at the same time. Look at the 2005 Acura MDX it makes full torque at 3500 rpms which is 1000-1500 rpm sooner than my 2017 v6 Accord. Looking at dyno charts on forum even with loss of top end for a street car you’ll make power and torque everywhere else and lose some after 6000-6200 rpm but you don’t spend too much time up there even in a 1/4 mile.
Any update on this???
No cause he was wrong😂😂 numbers don't lie just honda streat racers. "It was the air temp it was my tires it was my intake 😆
The added bottom-end torque helps with off the line acceleration.
Thanks for putting out these crazy 😧 content on the 4g TL I like the new custom 🥶 Air intake still I can't wait to get my stage 2 tekeda intake
Intake manifolds are always give and take. As you lengthen the runners you shift the power band lower in the rpm range and vice versa. Unless these engines are SUPER sensitive to small temperature changes the issue is probably that the intake already has too short of runners on it to give it a little extra hp on the top end to pump those rookie numbers up. I’ve seen changes in runner length only lose 10-15 peak HP but the trade was a 50+hp gain under the curve. When that happens you can end up with 5-10 more average hp throughout the entire rpm band which I know. doesn’t sound like a lot. But when talking about two otherwise identical cars, the one with a average 5 hp HP advantage will be considerably faster in the 1/4, with the +10-15 peak hp car probably able to eventually eek out a little more top speed.
There are a few caveats to that… one being if you have say a car like the s2000 that’s built and geared to spend all its time after launch way above the curve. While the average power part will remain true, power under the curve really doesn’t matter because you spend so little time there.
(Disclaimer: I understand this subject is typically talked about using TQ not HP. HP seems to be what most people understand and since it is just a function of torque and rpm you can use them interchangeably. You can’t have one without the other)
You'll definitely feel the difference when it's ported it work with port parts
Idk why the spacer doesn’t come ported already? P2r doesn’t even offer the option. Halferland performance ports the manifold spacer but it’s best to do intake manifold, runners throttle body and spacer all at once
@@HondaAccordPerformance the spacer is already big the holes if you put it beside a mdx spacer you'll see the huge difference bro
@@HondaAccordPerformance the p2r one is ported to match the ported runners they sell.
Have y’all done the egr delete?? What’s your thoughts on that for a dailey driver?
I daily my TL with an EGR delete. I read it supposed to increase in HP by 3-5. You’ll need a ktuner to disable the code once you delete it
looks like it was faster to the 1/4 mile with the intake manifold spacer
Lol of course, the intake manifold is too prevent heatsoak well to help w it.
Anyone done an egr delete? Opinions?
Great video man, we "HalferLand Performance" specialize in Honda Jseries Performance Parts. Our Turbo J35A7 06' Accord Coupe makes 550whp/467wtq on just 8psi.. and you definitely need an accurate temp day to make a good compassion. We actually posted about this exact topic on our Q&A page of our main website. But the TB and IM spacers are snake oil, all they do is elongated the ports to move the power band around. A shorter port will have more top end and a long will have more low end TQ. When it comes to true performance you want mid and top end power. These spacers literally just shift the power band lower in the rpm, picking up 3-4wtq but losing 4-5whp up top. So it will come out of the hole a little better but then fall flat up top. In our opinion save your money for other modifications such as our HLP light weight crank pulley that gains instant 8-10whp and 6-8wtq , with immediate throttle response. Same price as all of the gaskets and spacers 🤙
You should have also left that first intake on for better comparison, plus SRI's are terrible being they suck in all the hot engine bay air. We are coming out with a 4" Carbon Fiber intake, it will be the coolest running intake temps and largest on the market for the J's
please let me know when you have the intakes available.
Love your Turbo Accord build ! She sounds good especially that blow off valve you got 😊.
@@bindthedevilloosetheangels it will be listed on our store but you can also follow us on IG for live/real time updates (HalferLand Performance on Instagram)
@@GarrettMedia Thanks man. She's a beast for sure. Zero engine issues built by us...all issues been trans 😑 We are building a Supercharger kit, hopefully releasing 2023.
Damn man 100% has to do with the temps driving on hot days sometime makes me feel like their is something wrong with my car i one day i ended up pulled over and removed all the engine covers to see if it would help cause it was so bad 😂 night runs for best performance
Night runs for the win lol
@@kevin2jzzzz203 Literally 😂
Try the factory air box but remove the lower resonator and add 4" pipe with velocity stack and filter that's what I got on my 9g V6 accord I used the lower filter when it's not raining and use top filter when it is just in case
Have you ever tested it again on a cooler day?
Man that thing sounds amazing
Spacer is the right way
Very good Video! What You guys Says to throttle body spacer ? IT is Placebo? On j35a8.
i could be really wrong but shouldnt the intake not be next to the battery being how thats a spot that generates heat
Can you tell me if the takeda intake will fit my 09 MDX?
I'd put it back on and get a dang tune bro.
Been thinking about getting the p2r spacer for my 17’ Accord… did u end up putting your’s back on???
I kept it off for better top end 👍
I like how it feels with spacer 🤷🏽♂️
Great for city driving
Great video topic. So whats your conclusion? Sometimes I feel like vtec lags at 6k rpm with torque already. When stock, vtec would rev out faster. I also have throttle body spacer.
a question if I install that to my car acura tl 2010 3.7 I need to adjust the vehicle's computer and that's it Or you don't need to adjust the computer
how'd you do your intake? I tried doing a custom CAI but my TL got hit and I couldn't finish working out the details.
Where can i get this intake hardtube from? I need one for my RL stock intake because my tube is broken
Why not cold air intake?
You'll not notice the difference due to weight of the car but it does help are you selling em ??
Is that a coupler on your intake airbox could i do that to my j35 with stock airbox i am running a custom snorkel
So is it better with the intake manifold spacer or not?
Right idc about all this sh!t I want a straight forward assessment .👌🏾💀
Spacers are good only for low to mid end power. Best for city driving for more lower end power but highways I don’t recommend it 😉
Hello buddy, I know it's been two years since your video, but what conclusion u got it? worth using the manifold spacer or not? i just installed on my J35 2008 Accord and i really think that a lost peak top power but maybe is faster to 0-60 0-100mph, what do you think after removing it ?
Hey there. Top end definitely is lost. Ended up removing the spacer since I spent most of my time up top and not low to mid power. It’s great for getting out of the hole but tip top is no good imo.
@@GarrettMedia thanks mate, im going remove mine aswell. In races we just use high revs ✌🏻👍🏻
Did you have SRI on the 13.7 run? Also, have you ever tired TC off and just floor it instead of brake boosting? I know I get better times in the TLX if I don't brake boost for some reason. Great video as always🔥.
I believe I had the modified stock air box and k&N filter last 13.7 Dragy . I’ll try that next time “no brake boost” 🙏 thanks bro!
I also had the traction control off the entire dragy runs
Anyone done an egr delete? What’s your opinions on a dailey driver egr delete?
Sorry if this is a noob question but I got a 2nd gen 03 Acura TL was thinking about swapping intake manifolds and throttle body from the TL-s 3.5. Will this cause codes/problems as far as smog goes cause I’m in California they’re strict about smog laws
ECU should adjust to it accordingly and shouldn’t cause any CEL to come on. I have these mods on my 3G TL no cell at all
@@GarrettMedia what about the accord? Did the 3.7 intake cause any issues?
Can I reuse my spacer or do I have to change it for a new one like gaskets?
Reuse
Is this on stock upper intake ? J35?
Yup stock but j37
@@GarrettMedia j 37 throttle body ?
im little lost for my 13 type sh awd the 0-60 is 5.7sec. you running 5.5sec and have ktuner, tune, exh,
Yup 5.5 sec with all the mods. You got a video of your 0-60 video time I would like to see it?
@@GarrettMedia no i do not. I am just saying what acura is claiming to run. but even if they are off. you should be faster then that with all the mods. do you have a a actual Dyno Tune? PS keep up the awesome videos.
Also you are Automatic like me. how does the trans work with your higher redline change in Ktuner. does it only rev to what you set in Sport mode?
It’s that damn tekeda intake took off my car today and I was instant faster
Bro you need a cold air intake, that SRI is killing your gains!!! I bought a takeda momentum CAI and was a huge difference, like night and day compared to the SRI takeda…
Where did you find a Takeda momentum intake for the 3.7 TL??
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That sprinkler high hat music nowadays sheesh 🙄
this is not a apples to apples comparison. change 1 thing than compare. not 2 things and retest on hot day....... Short ram intake like that is essentially a hot air intake. Which makes it much more noticeable (decrease in performance) on a hot day.
That’s still -10 for the pops?
Had it set to -20 from 3k and up
in my tl 2012 3.7 nop work el motor cascabelea y pierde power solo en mi type s 2008 more faster
I remember when I installed the spacer, I felt the added low/mid tq instantly “butt Dyno”.
Yes! Same here
What’s butt dyno?
@@matthewharris7331 you sit in the car after installing the mod and you drive it and see if it made a difference. It’s called the butt dyno
@@GarrettMedia Oh lol honestly I didn’t notice anything with power the only thing that was definite was my exhaust was louder for sure (Borla axel back)
Did y’all get better gas mileage?
Would you run a throttle body spacer ?
Yes I would
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Ha ha.