One of the best reviews of the meteor 75 pro! Great work for the community! I watched the whole video and I shared it on facebook. Your flying was great! Very precise! And your video editing is so good too!
That means a lot to me coming from the person who made me want to try it out XD. Love your videos too about it man and I'll be doing some of the mods you recommended. Thank you for watching and sharing fam! Much love fam 🙌🙌
Thanks man! Im glad I can be part of your top 3! I'm also a huge fan of it - so much so I brought it with me in my trip and even got my relatives to fly it XD. Gonna get mine soon too! hope she flies well cause I wanna use it for my Hachidorii lineup XD
@@im_ricebowl Would be really interested in your opinion on the Air75 as compared to the Meteor 75 Pro. One is 10g heavier while the other has much much bigger motors!
@@chesterlim15 Ikr! very different drones but I'm really hoping the air75 performs well or atleast finds it's own place in the whoop category. The 75 pro was super smooth for me and I think the air75 will be a middle ground. we'll see when I try it out!
@@chesterlim15 Ikr XD I started this year with a whoop and a 3in. Now, it's a whole flock of drones 🤣. Ideally, I only have 3 drones (whoop, outdoor open prop, and LR) and just have loads of spares for those 3 XD
I agree man and I wish the "old" stuff stayed longer. FPV tech just moves so fast but I hope companies keep selling parts for the older drones - atleast for a little while
Man your throttle control and flying was so goood!! Subscribed! I've a meteor 75 pro. I use it outdoors and 65pro for indoors. Now ill fly more often to get to fly the 75 pro indoors like you have!
@@JohnyPatrick Thanks for the sub and kind words fam!! been really trying to force myself to get better flying in tight spaces and I guess that made roomier spaces easier XD. I actually also have the 65 pro and I fly that along side my Hachidorii! You'll do great fam!
You are extremely good at this whole fpv content thing. Very impressed with this video, way more entertaining and well made than some of the other channels out there that I see. Keep it up mate
Damnn fam your comment just made my day XD I appreciate your kind words and it really does motivate me to keep things up and do do better too. Thank you too man for stopping by and I hope you have a great day cause you made mine one!
@@im_ricebowlI'm wondering if you use any special rates for inside v outside? I'm still kinda a novice but I find it super difficult to fly my 75pro around my house and under my chairs, but you make it look SO smooth and easy. I feel like it's too touchy and powerful for me. I'm thinking some rates changed might help but I'm wondering if you have any advice in this area?
@@nolanb134that's actually my secret XD for all my drones, regardless if it's for inside, outside, cine whoop, whoop, open prop....they all have the same rates! because if you can master that set of rates, you'll learn to use the same rates for any type of drone. Ive had the same rates for a few years now XD The only thing I would consider changing is throttle mid and throttle expo. If you're having trouble with throttle management for the 75 pro, I suggest setting the throttle mid to around 39 and experiment with how much expo you need. Thank you man! I'll keep on producing vids for you guys cause I really do enjoy it too!
my meteor 75 pro is on its way to my doorstep! I think its overall better than the air75. Heard a lot reviewers complaining about the fragile canopy and that you cant do a lower cam angle than like 30 degrees.
eyyy hope she's flying great man! Between the two, I'll say for sure that I had more control with the 75 pro BUT I will say that the Air75 was more fun 😉 gonna talk what I mean in the next video - but I agree the canopy is not good. I had that canopy months before the air76/65 release and I broke so many in a few months 🤣
Sweet review! My ESC on my Meteor 75 is toast but it was a great quad. I am going to rebuild it with the same board and get to ripping again. Keep up the great work. Nice flying/editing/audio.
Thank you man! ngl it's not of those drones I genuinely don't wanna modify and just wanna maintain cause I like the way it is rn (gonna change to 48khz tho). Glad to see people liking my vids! thanks for tuning in my guy!
Hey! Great review again. Really enjoyable! I have a question. Again. How did you build you pvc pipes tower? Do you have a Vid for something like that or did you just did it your self? Any suggestions for me building something similar in my room?
@@Sprote1 hey hey! it's actually very simple and I can give you some instructions but I believe if you search IGOW gates (official dimensions used for contests), you'll see a bunch of pilots videos on it. Nonetheless, here's what I did: - 1/2 inch PVC pipes cut into 42cm long segments - bought several types of fittings. Best to sketch out a diagram of what you want yours to be and plan out what type of PVC fittings you want since they come different angles and number of connectable segments. There's Ls, Ts, and a bunch of other ones too. - I personally wouldn't glue them together but they should have some friction to them when you out it together - I also have a 5ft long PVC at the top that's just ziptied to the main tower to try out powerloops, mattys, and split-s'
This review is so timely. For weeks now, I had been planning to either buy or build one, but suddenly the new Air models were released, which has made my decision more difficult. I would still go for Meteor 75 Pro. I agree with @butterflyfpv, on which I'm also a fan, this is one of the best reviews on this model.
Ikr! I'm really happy were getting more options for the whoop class but something like the 75 Pro will always have its place. I love that guy XD gonna binge his videos once my term ends XD. Thank you for watching and for the kind comment fam!
And thank you for watching fam! Here is a link to betafpv's CLI for the Meteor 75 Pro [support.betafpv.com/hc/en-us/articles/16846305078297-CLI-for-Meteor75-Pro] since I'm just suing stock PIDs. there is a link in the description to UAVtech's tune for the 75 pro also here are my rates: set rateprofile_name = RiceBX set rates_type = ACTUAL set quickrates_rc_expo = OFF set roll_rc_rate = 54 set pitch_rc_rate = 34 set yaw_rc_rate = 59 set roll_expo = 6 set pitch_expo = 3 set yaw_expo = 5 set roll_srate = 85 set pitch_srate = 83 set yaw_srate = 150 set roll_rate_limit = 1998 set pitch_rate_limit = 1998 set yaw_rate_limit = 1998 set roll_level_expo = 0 set pitch_level_expo = 0 enjoy fam!
@@ADfpv Thanks man and I appreciate the praise! Give it a try! I really enjoyed hitting gaps with it and how smooth it felt even in small areas. Might wanna add a throttle cut tho if you wanna fly in a really small space like a room XD
Fantastic job on the review and with both indoor and outdoor flights with the Meteor 75 Pro I look forward to seeing you get your hands on the latest Air 75 to compare both whoops against each other??
the beta FPV batteries are really low quality, they are treated poorly and will never meet the suggested flight times, but the whoop is pretty solid. I am kind of interested in the pre-order of the 2024 version, I just don't have any use for a tiny drone. I'm lucky to have a local group and room to fly.
@@greedfox7842 imma agree with that XD tho their lava batteries have been getting praise so atleast we have options from the same brand! I like these small drones just cause it's so easy to travel with them and sneak in a few flights in some spots XD.
The air 65 and 75 are certainly lightweight and agile. But it's basically the same weight savings and low durability of the 2024 mobula 6. My 2024 mobula 6 died much faster than any FPV product I've ever owned. I bought an air 75, but only because it's so cheap and my expectations are low. If it goes badly I'm either going for a meteor 75 next or done with micros altogether.
Imma be real with you, after realizing that added weight isn't that bad, I may just take the guts out of the Air75/65 and use a more durable frame and canopy XD. hope the air75/65 does actually work well, specifically thr aio since that's really what I'm after cause I wanna use it for future Hachidorii frames. Hope she flies great fam! and thanks for stopping by!
@@stop9889 nicee!! I highly suggest adding that ziptie to the antenna and use some floss to keep the battery strap from being chewed up. if you're experiencing too much prop wash, I suggest UAVtech's vid! Have fun fam!!
Nice flying. 75mm isn't too big, imho. I miss my LDARC ET100; a 100g, 2S, 2-inch beastie. My last one died last year, and I switched to the Happymodel Mobula8 - a slightly smaller 2S, 2-inch. I find a 1S to be too skittish. Old guy, old reflexes.
ngl the 2in 2s format is one of my favorites aswell before I flew whoops and I remmeber watching reviews on the ET100. Thanks for stopping by and watching fam!
Cool i’ve been fly 75pro frames a bunch the last month. Just did a walksnail build for hd too. If i don’t use extra long FC screws the little posts break off fast. I think i’m going to put an old mob7 style canopy on it so the camera sits further forward and keeps the ducts more minimized
@@Shauny_D I've been hearing from people how durable the frame is looks like it really does live up to that. Actually wanna take this chance to say I'm a fan of your content XD I'd do the same too tbh, though I don't completely mind the ducts in view
I don't really like the 2024 for the reasons I've mentioned in my video but I also haven't tried the air 65 so I can't really give you a real answer XD I will say that many people so far like the air65
Mate I am in your camp - it flies really really well and for soooo long on the lava 550…like I wondered if my board bugged out with it vtage readout - I got over 5 minutes most times
@@rodsawhite it really is insanely efficient and that's one thing that I love about it. Sometimes I just like "soooo it's been 3 mins now...what do I do now? Just hover till my battery dies down?" XD so used with just 3 mins of flight my dvr recordings are so long XD
It’s my favorite I don’t ever want to be without a meteor 75 I just fly it around inside and out all the time. I have the air 75 ordered, curious to see how it’ll compare because if they never changed anything I think the meteor 75 is phenomenal
@@StarrFamilyVideo I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna be bringing this guy with me to all my trips XD hope the air75 lives up too! I have high expectations for it and I genuinely hope I can try both Air65 and Air75.
@@im_ricebowl I’ve given the 65 a good thrash and only the 75 lightly - they are tuned quite well and at 21g the 75 just floats and bounces unscathed in crashes
@@El_Muffy yupp just the rates for my testing...I think it's natural for people to use their personal rates since it's what they're used to flying. I know most reviewers do that too
@@El_Muffy you can but rates are really subjective XD Im not used to it but you can check out my mobula 6 2024 shorts....the stock flights had default rates but I still managed to do some freestyle stuff. But yeah very subjective
@@smika710 I love it too! and I plan to bring it with me in my upcoming trips. I sadly don't have e6000 😅 but may I ask where'd you'd use that instead of zipties?
@@im_ricebowl Its a semi permanent flexible single part epoxy. If you want to hold an antenna in place on the frame, keep the antenna plugged into the FC, or especially to fix a crack in a whoop frame.. it works great. Sets in 4 min good enough to fly again. 72 hours and it is firm. And importantly you can peel it off like dried glue if you need to.
man i wrote you in another video, do you have a way to contact you? i have videos of my drone issues i'd like to send you so you can help, where can i contact?
hey man! slr i was on my way back to the PH. My recent YT videos and my channel actually has a link you can go to and my email is there too! there's also discord there I believe
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One of the best reviews of the meteor 75 pro! Great work for the community! I watched the whole video and I shared it on facebook. Your flying was great! Very precise! And your video editing is so good too!
That means a lot to me coming from the person who made me want to try it out XD. Love your videos too about it man and I'll be doing some of the mods you recommended. Thank you for watching and sharing fam! Much love fam 🙌🙌
@@im_ricebowl😃🤜🤛❤
@@butterflyfpv 🤜🤛🙌🔥🔥
This channel has quickly risen to my top 3 for micros. I’m a big fan of the Meteor 75 pro. I haven’t even unboxed the Air 75 yet. Soon.
Thanks man! Im glad I can be part of your top 3! I'm also a huge fan of it - so much so I brought it with me in my trip and even got my relatives to fly it XD. Gonna get mine soon too! hope she flies well cause I wanna use it for my Hachidorii lineup XD
@@im_ricebowl Would be really interested in your opinion on the Air75 as compared to the Meteor 75 Pro. One is 10g heavier while the other has much much bigger motors!
@@chesterlim15 Ikr! very different drones but I'm really hoping the air75 performs well or atleast finds it's own place in the whoop category. The 75 pro was super smooth for me and I think the air75 will be a middle ground. we'll see when I try it out!
@@im_ricebowl Too many drones to buy. Highly addictive and expensive hobby 😂
@@chesterlim15 Ikr XD I started this year with a whoop and a 3in. Now, it's a whole flock of drones 🤣. Ideally, I only have 3 drones (whoop, outdoor open prop, and LR) and just have loads of spares for those 3 XD
We often forget a lot of the "old" stuff is still really good for most of us, but I do love new things...
I agree man and I wish the "old" stuff stayed longer. FPV tech just moves so fast but I hope companies keep selling parts for the older drones - atleast for a little while
Man your throttle control and flying was so goood!! Subscribed! I've a meteor 75 pro. I use it outdoors and 65pro for indoors. Now ill fly more often to get to fly the 75 pro indoors like you have!
@@JohnyPatrick Thanks for the sub and kind words fam!! been really trying to force myself to get better flying in tight spaces and I guess that made roomier spaces easier XD. I actually also have the 65 pro and I fly that along side my Hachidorii! You'll do great fam!
You are extremely good at this whole fpv content thing. Very impressed with this video, way more entertaining and well made than some of the other channels out there that I see. Keep it up mate
Damnn fam your comment just made my day XD I appreciate your kind words and it really does motivate me to keep things up and do do better too. Thank you too man for stopping by and I hope you have a great day cause you made mine one!
@@im_ricebowl You're welcome mate you totally deserve it. I hope you keep it going, I'm very keen to keep watching.
@@im_ricebowlI'm wondering if you use any special rates for inside v outside? I'm still kinda a novice but I find it super difficult to fly my 75pro around my house and under my chairs, but you make it look SO smooth and easy. I feel like it's too touchy and powerful for me. I'm thinking some rates changed might help but I'm wondering if you have any advice in this area?
@@nolanb134that's actually my secret XD for all my drones, regardless if it's for inside, outside, cine whoop, whoop, open prop....they all have the same rates! because if you can master that set of rates, you'll learn to use the same rates for any type of drone. Ive had the same rates for a few years now XD
The only thing I would consider changing is throttle mid and throttle expo. If you're having trouble with throttle management for the 75 pro, I suggest setting the throttle mid to around 39 and experiment with how much expo you need.
Thank you man! I'll keep on producing vids for you guys cause I really do enjoy it too!
my meteor 75 pro is on its way to my doorstep! I think its overall better than the air75. Heard a lot reviewers complaining about the fragile canopy and that you cant do a lower cam angle than like 30 degrees.
eyyy hope she's flying great man! Between the two, I'll say for sure that I had more control with the 75 pro BUT I will say that the Air75 was more fun 😉 gonna talk what I mean in the next video - but I agree the canopy is not good. I had that canopy months before the air76/65 release and I broke so many in a few months 🤣
Sweet review! My ESC on my Meteor 75 is toast but it was a great quad. I am going to rebuild it with the same board and get to ripping again. Keep up the great work. Nice flying/editing/audio.
Thank you man! ngl it's not of those drones I genuinely don't wanna modify and just wanna maintain cause I like the way it is rn (gonna change to 48khz tho). Glad to see people liking my vids! thanks for tuning in my guy!
crazy stick controll 🔥
Thanks for the compliment fam! my 1+ year of flying indoors is finally paying off XD the 75 Pro cruises like a dream
Hey! Great review again. Really enjoyable! I have a question. Again. How did you build you pvc pipes tower? Do you have a Vid for something like that or did you just did it your self? Any suggestions for me building something similar in my room?
@@Sprote1 hey hey! it's actually very simple and I can give you some instructions but I believe if you search IGOW gates (official dimensions used for contests), you'll see a bunch of pilots videos on it. Nonetheless, here's what I did:
- 1/2 inch PVC pipes cut into 42cm long segments
- bought several types of fittings. Best to sketch out a diagram of what you want yours to be and plan out what type of PVC fittings you want since they come different angles and number of connectable segments. There's Ls, Ts, and a bunch of other ones too.
- I personally wouldn't glue them together but they should have some friction to them when you out it together
- I also have a 5ft long PVC at the top that's just ziptied to the main tower to try out powerloops, mattys, and split-s'
This review is so timely. For weeks now, I had been planning to either buy or build one, but suddenly the new Air models were released, which has made my decision more difficult. I would still go for Meteor 75 Pro. I agree with @butterflyfpv, on which I'm also a fan, this is one of the best reviews on this model.
Ikr! I'm really happy were getting more options for the whoop class but something like the 75 Pro will always have its place. I love that guy XD gonna binge his videos once my term ends XD. Thank you for watching and for the kind comment fam!
Thanks for your video, friend! What rates and PIDs tune did you use in your flight room?..regards
And thank you for watching fam! Here is a link to betafpv's CLI for the Meteor 75 Pro [support.betafpv.com/hc/en-us/articles/16846305078297-CLI-for-Meteor75-Pro] since I'm just suing stock PIDs. there is a link in the description to UAVtech's tune for the 75 pro also
here are my rates:
set rateprofile_name = RiceBX
set rates_type = ACTUAL
set quickrates_rc_expo = OFF
set roll_rc_rate = 54
set pitch_rc_rate = 34
set yaw_rc_rate = 59
set roll_expo = 6
set pitch_expo = 3
set yaw_expo = 5
set roll_srate = 85
set pitch_srate = 83
set yaw_srate = 150
set roll_rate_limit = 1998
set pitch_rate_limit = 1998
set yaw_rate_limit = 1998
set roll_level_expo = 0
set pitch_level_expo = 0
enjoy fam!
You got some skills man. Nice flying
I own Ws 75 pro, mainly fly larger space and outdoor... made me wanna fly more at home
@@ADfpv Thanks man and I appreciate the praise! Give it a try! I really enjoyed hitting gaps with it and how smooth it felt even in small areas. Might wanna add a throttle cut tho if you wanna fly in a really small space like a room XD
Fantastic job on the review and with both indoor and outdoor flights with the Meteor 75 Pro I look forward to seeing you get your hands on the latest Air 75 to compare both whoops against each other??
@@3DMOFO2020 Thanks man! I'm looking forward to it too tbh and I got some high expectations for it!
I'm happy to say that I will officially review the air75!
@@im_ricebowl 😁😁
The 75 pro is great for beginners! It is highly durable as well. Love the work!
I 100% agree! almost all the pilots over spoken to about it said it was so durable XD. Thanks for watching fam!
the beta FPV batteries are really low quality, they are treated poorly and will never meet the suggested flight times, but the whoop is pretty solid.
I am kind of interested in the pre-order of the 2024 version, I just don't have any use for a tiny drone. I'm lucky to have a local group and room to fly.
@@greedfox7842 imma agree with that XD tho their lava batteries have been getting praise so atleast we have options from the same brand! I like these small drones just cause it's so easy to travel with them and sneak in a few flights in some spots XD.
Try flying it with 300mah, it's surprisingly fun inside, if i remember correctly got around 3min flights.
gotcha fam! that's all the flight time I need. Thanks for the tip and for stopping by!
The air 65 and 75 are certainly lightweight and agile. But it's basically the same weight savings and low durability of the 2024 mobula 6. My 2024 mobula 6 died much faster than any FPV product I've ever owned.
I bought an air 75, but only because it's so cheap and my expectations are low. If it goes badly I'm either going for a meteor 75 next or done with micros altogether.
Imma be real with you, after realizing that added weight isn't that bad, I may just take the guts out of the Air75/65 and use a more durable frame and canopy XD.
hope the air75/65 does actually work well, specifically thr aio since that's really what I'm after cause I wanna use it for future Hachidorii frames. Hope she flies great fam! and thanks for stopping by!
got mine coming tomorrow :D
@@stop9889 nicee!! I highly suggest adding that ziptie to the antenna and use some floss to keep the battery strap from being chewed up. if you're experiencing too much prop wash, I suggest UAVtech's vid! Have fun fam!!
Nice flying. 75mm isn't too big, imho. I miss my LDARC ET100; a 100g, 2S, 2-inch beastie. My last one died last year, and I switched to the Happymodel Mobula8 - a slightly smaller 2S, 2-inch. I find a 1S to be too skittish. Old guy, old reflexes.
ngl the 2in 2s format is one of my favorites aswell before I flew whoops and I remmeber watching reviews on the ET100. Thanks for stopping by and watching fam!
Cool i’ve been fly 75pro frames a bunch the last month. Just did a walksnail build for hd too.
If i don’t use extra long FC screws the little posts break off fast.
I think i’m going to put an old mob7 style canopy on it so the camera sits further forward and keeps the ducts more minimized
@@Shauny_D I've been hearing from people how durable the frame is looks like it really does live up to that. Actually wanna take this chance to say I'm a fan of your content XD
I'd do the same too tbh, though I don't completely mind the ducts in view
@@im_ricebowl yah i don’t mind seeing the whoops it’s just a hair too much.
@@im_ricebowl It’s always cool to hear people know who you are! thanks!
@@Shauny_D makes sense XD everyone's got their own preferences
looking forward to more of your flights! hope I can fly like you one day XD
@@im_ricebowl You’re killing it probably better than me. I just rely on creative flying and stubbornness to look better than i am. haha
Thats interesting, I haven't seen any reviews of the Air75 though, could only find reviews of the Air65
@@boing7679 yeah, I believe reviews on it will be a little later
Love this drone, just doesn't have float, authority in the wind, and cheap parts
doesn’t matter the question, tacos is always the answer 🌮
bruhh the 2 BNFs didn't even have a chance! Tacos all the way!! 🌮🌮🌮
Air 65pro or mobula 6 2024? Which will you prefer?
I don't really like the 2024 for the reasons I've mentioned in my video but I also haven't tried the air 65 so I can't really give you a real answer XD
I will say that many people so far like the air65
what the size of your blue hurdle，i want to make one too，thx
one cube is 41cm^3 and the long bar is around 1 meter long (but you can adjust that to however you want it to be)
Mate I am in your camp - it flies really really well and for soooo long on the lava 550…like I wondered if my board bugged out with it vtage readout - I got over 5 minutes most times
@@rodsawhite it really is insanely efficient and that's one thing that I love about it. Sometimes I just like "soooo it's been 3 mins now...what do I do now? Just hover till my battery dies down?" XD so used with just 3 mins of flight my dvr recordings are so long XD
@@im_ricebowl yeah 100 percent. I run out of steam on some batteries :)
@@rodsawhite same man XD I need a refresh between each flight
It’s my favorite I don’t ever want to be without a meteor 75 I just fly it around inside and out all the time. I have the air 75 ordered, curious to see how it’ll compare because if they never changed anything I think the meteor 75 is phenomenal
@@StarrFamilyVideo I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna be bringing this guy with me to all my trips XD hope the air75 lives up too! I have high expectations for it and I genuinely hope I can try both Air65 and Air75.
@@im_ricebowl I’ve given the 65 a good thrash and only the 75 lightly - they are tuned quite well and at 21g the 75 just floats and bounces unscathed in crashes
@@rodsawhite that's good to hear! Hopefully the electronics last long too. Hoping to use the for some upcoming versions of Hachidorii
Awesome quad✌🏼
I agree! 🙌
Great video
I got one on a sub250 baby turtle 🐢 ❤
@@monsterminibike ngl, I did have plans getting the baby turtle....thanks for the idea fam! and thank you for watching!
@@im_ricebowl got dime motors from tiny whoop
@@im_ricebowl did 2s with mob8 camra hit aio working on getting baby rattle micro cam hopefully that will fit better
@@monsterminibike I think it should. Hope it turns out well fam!
I wanna see someone put a WALKSNAIL 1s whoop VTX on this to see it done
@@LehtusBphree2flyFPV I'd love to but I'm broke to get HD XD Hit up Shauny_D tho! he just mentioned adding walksnail to his
@@im_ricebowl found him thank you bro I'm watch but didn't know which one
So you changed the rates, those are not stock?
@@El_Muffy yupp just the rates for my testing...I think it's natural for people to use their personal rates since it's what they're used to flying. I know most reviewers do that too
@@im_ricebowl with stock rates is it possible to flip it and roll or its slow?
@@El_Muffy you can but rates are really subjective XD Im not used to it but you can check out my mobula 6 2024 shorts....the stock flights had default rates but I still managed to do some freestyle stuff. But yeah very subjective
Also why zip tie whoops just e6000
@@smika710 I love it too! and I plan to bring it with me in my upcoming trips. I sadly don't have e6000 😅 but may I ask where'd you'd use that instead of zipties?
@@im_ricebowl Its a semi permanent flexible single part epoxy. If you want to hold an antenna in place on the frame, keep the antenna plugged into the FC, or especially to fix a crack in a whoop frame.. it works great. Sets in 4 min good enough to fly again. 72 hours and it is firm. And importantly you can peel it off like dried glue if you need to.
@@smika710 gotcha! thank you I may look into that!
man i wrote you in another video, do you have a way to contact you? i have videos of my drone issues i'd like to send you so you can help, where can i contact?
hey man! slr i was on my way back to the PH. My recent YT videos and my channel actually has a link you can go to and my email is there too! there's also discord there I believe