As you may notice I forgot to add the list of my TH-cam members at the end of the video. Sorry about that to my members and here is the list of their names since I didn't have time to re-render the video: ZombiGaming, Azfar Fenner, Limmy K, Ragnarok, A, Mr X2, will wilm, Blue Knight, Sean, Oliver Strö., Marvin Mills, Yuk-Luen Man, O D, Logic_set_to_one gaming, MetaDave, Flying Pachyderm, David Hall, Willbuh Williamz, pompomchan, Braňo Kohút
@@meatball.9710 that’s like a drop in the bucket compared to the total casualty’s of WW2 also they just killed civilians from what I know they weren’t accurate enough to hit like factories and stuff
"Panzerjagerwagen E79-128" would be quite possibly the most wehraboo name for a made-up vehicle if only it had "Ausf-[insert some nonsense here]" tacked onto the end.
@@rotwang2000 yep, they're just dumb. at least these Wehraboos are preferable to the types who still think The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was real and that Herman Wirth's Palestinabuch exists somewhere.
I'm actually going to point out that the E-79 appears to have a "Family" of similar tanks. The Edelweiss of Valkyria Chronicles bears a stark resemblence to the E-79 (especially the turret), and I own the artbook so I might be able to consult if they have shared vehicle designers. I know the earliest ideas for what became Valkyria Chronicles circled back in 2003 or so.
@@Armageddon_71 the panzer III/IV was a design unification proposal for the german army it also had 6 road wheels. but it is infact a panzer 3 inspired hull*
@@teslashark no its a panzer 3, you can tell because the panzer III/IV had leaf spring bogie (like the panzer IV) suspension while the panzer III and the Eidelweis have torsion bar suspension.
All I am pissed off at is the fact that someone from a videogame company of all things, made a more balistically well protected turret than the Germans did in the whole fucking war.
That's true, E 75 is my all time fav ht in game, I hope somebody will make the skin for E 75 base on the E 79, at least it will look different and modern-ish than having majority the same design as Tiger 2.
It exists. It was one of the very first fan-reskins for WoT ever made, IIRC. A small simple mod, replacing the model. Was junky as all hecks - hitboxes weren't matching, you know.
@@AllMightyKingBowserGermany preferred welding their turrets but for complex shapes you had to cast them. Germans were excellent at welding but struggled with armour casting. Also cast armor has to be somewhat thicker to provide the same protection as rolled plate armor.
The theme music for the Germans, Russians and Americans are all very fun to listen to. The Russians have The Sacred War and the Americans have the typical militaristic drum beat of a song.
@@theislanddweller1335 The same reason they didn't introduce the "Krokodil" concepts (Jgdpz E-100 with front-mounted gun) - those were originally made by a modeling company.
With paper 200mm turret front and front hull 180mm with good angle. This is basically just a slower E50 with bigger gun, better hull armor and shittier turret(though it can might be similar or a bit better considering the sloping).
Ah yes, the E-79 I think i first know this tank from the game's official artwork, so I know this is a fictional tanks. They also have interesting design for other nations in that game too if i remember correctly.
The americans had: The "Shortbull" which looked like a T-95 with a huge turret with a 105mm gun, and the "T69E3" which looked like an M5 stuart with an M4A1 turret and kinda resembled the Excalibur from WoT and had a 76mm gun. The germans had: The "E-79" like you saw on the video, and the "Schnellpanzer" which looked like TD version of a Leopard 1 that kinda looked like a longer and wider Jagdpanther... Oh and it also had a gas turbine engine which made it the fastest tank in the game. Both tanks were fitted with different guns depending on the year of the battle you were playing. Either 8.8cm or 12.8cm gun for the "E-79", and either a short 7.5cm gun, a long 7.5cm L/70 gun OR a long 8.8cm gun for the "Schnellpanzer" And the Soviets had: The "SU-122" which was a TD version of an elongated T-34 hull with a 122mm gun and it kinda looked like a bigger SU-100, and another tank which name I cannot remember but I remember it looked like a rounded KV-2 turred on an IS-2 hull and it had an 152mm howitzer.
Great video, wonder if you could have a look at a weird line of scale models from a company called modelcollect which contain many sub-variants of the E-50, E-75 and the E-100 like the stug E-100 or even the E-75 with its turret replaced with an open launch platform for the V-1 flying bomb, or the more crazy designs in the fist of war series of models by a company called rocket models which has the P.500 gungnir assault carrier, literal mechs like the BLF-100 ein Mann or the insane leopold 28cm gun but with its pivoting rail sections replaced by 2 E-100 hulls with the pivot resting on the where the turret should be.
@@shadow_entity9191 I honestly can't remember I think that name has been given to two different models the forward mounted superstructure jag e100 and the spaa e100 that has like twin 88 flak guns lol
i'm not a tank expert, but i am an ex-tank commander, taken off duty due to injuries. i see a lot of people on sites like Reddit that claim to be experts here and there, but the moment there is any cracks in what they claim, they fold like omlets to the pressure of being found out. i am very glad tha you take your time to research this and come out with actual facts. good job as always man. keep up the good work!
The coolest thing about this tank is that it was designed by the legendary Mamoru Nagano of Five Star Stories fame. It has appeared in some of his illustrations and the turret in particular has made an appearance on top of a hovertank in the Joker Galaxy. Also thanks to Nagano being the boutique mecha designer that he is, this tank's model kit has been made available more times and for far longer than those of its Panzer Front comrades. That may be part of the reason behind this confusion. When the kit was sold as part of the Panzer Front lineup, with a clear understanding that they represent designs taken from the same game, it was harder to mistake it as a real tank. However, once the kit started getting sold on its own without its buddies for context... well...
@@Kasperl88 Oh, sorry to disappoint you. The E-79 kit was last released in 1:35 form by WAVE Japan (yes, meaning it's a resin kit) in 2020. There are copies floating in Taobao. That said, as the last release year suggests, every once in a while someone will get around to releasing this very popular fictional tank in one form or another.
@@andrewsuryali8540 about time for a 1/48 version methinks, and I could then run it with my proper tanks from 40K and call it an E 79 pattern Russ!! 😊.
@@CrusaderSports250 I would call it the E79 Nagano pattern battle tank (and its lore would hint that the imperium thought the design was real and built it but with substitute 40k era materials and filling in gaps with 40k tech resulting in it being competitive)
Yah, it looks like someone took Russian Models and smashed it with German Models. With how this thing goes, I wouldn’t be shocked if some Wheraboos would claim that “The Russians stole the plans from the E-79!” Like they do with the AK-47
I love this game, I loved the tank controls too. Man it could get intense, more so when you acedently drove into your own heavy arty zones, or even semi urban zones.
@@Ricklet0ons f*ck off world of tank community didnt even do shit to u guy so just shutup,war thunder doesnt better in everyway,there are still some good point in world of tank,just shut up and f*ck off if u dont understand a single crap
@@hade2332 look i dont mind ok? i play both game but what the problem? everywhere i go they gonna harrass me just because im a freaking world of tank player,that why im tired of this bullsh*t
I became aware of the E-79 after learning that the VK 45.03(H) blueprint was called Tiger III, and looking for some examples of this "Tiger III". When looking for a "Tiger III" with Google Images, the E-79 comes up quite a bit.
Panzer Front was my first WWII tank game ever and I didn't realise the OG tanks were fake back then but I have no regret ever played that game, one of the PS1 gems.
I don't think they would want to copy some toy store kit tank and put it into the game although I think the jg pz e 100 model got sold as a toy once so It could be possible.
@@offset7711 technically wg only uses stuff that the yuri pasholok approves which is kinda dubious at times since the guy magically pulls out stuff we have never seen before but I don't think he'll approve the E79 as a thing consodering it's a tank made up by some other people (although if it did happen it might as well be the new tier 10 heavy tank that succeeds the E75 and E50 I guess)
@@startingbark0356 to be fair. Most tanks of wot have some historical basis. The only one I know of that was completely made up was the WT E100. That one was removed tho. The only other tank that was made up but could have had some historical basis is the GW tiger P. It was never ment to exist in this form so atleast the design is made up but there was a proposal to turn some tiger P chassis into a SPG. That never happened tho and there were no drawings. The E50M design is made up as there was no drawing for it, just a proposal. The Japanese heavies are at best shady. Some parts are made up, some have some partially historical basis. These are atleast the ones I can remember. Better to look it up for yourself. There are more but for the sake of not giving false Infos I'm not going to mention it as it has been quite some time when I looked into it.
Played the hell out of Panzer Front back in the day. And the Japanese version featured larger fleet of vehicles and things like apcs and cannons, providing great replay value.
6:37 that's just a fucking French AMX 50 Foch or AMX AC 48 drawing but with a couple major differences and a handful of minor things changed! Whomever drew this was almost definitely inspired by the AMX AC 48 and/or AMX 50 Foch.
I thought this reminded me of something I’d seen before (and I knew it wasn’t this) and I figured it out about three minutes in. The Edelweiss tank from Valkyrie Chronicles 1 is a dead ringer, complete with the rounded turret. Granted, that is more likely just due to the shared ‘German but not specifically similar to any real tanks’ design they both seem to share
Gentleman, I have it on good authority that the E-79 did exist 1945. My internet buddy in Germany found the original Wehrmacht documents in a secret storage locker in the crew compartment of his vintage P1000 Ratte he’s currently restoring in a rented ex-dirigible hanger outside of Düsseldorf
Bffft! Everyone knows that the ultimate German tank of WWII was today's Leopard 2A7+. One of these took out 3,238 T-34's at the battle of Kursk before a combination of Soviet artillery and airstrikes took it out.
Because 1999 wasn't the Dark Ages. Computers already had 3d accelerated graphics cards by then, and some people were even already using broadband internet service.
Panzer Front was what sparked my love for tanks.. I loved the E-79, the Short Bull, and the smooth SU the most. The Aureole I had a lot of trouble with.. But if I played it now, maybe I'd be better at it. xD
6:13 Technically the Maus used a 128mm cannon. the problem here is that the entire PaK designation is stupid as only Jagdpanther and Panzerjäger had mounts with such a designation. All tanks had KwKs.
Yeah, PaKs (Panzerabwehr Kannone(n) = Anti tank cannon(s)) were guns originaly used by ground units and then fited onto Panzerjäger (Hunting tanks). KwKs (Kampfwagen Kannone(n) = Battle vehicle cannon(s)) were, like the name said, developed from the start as vehicle (mostly tank) based weapons. Like with everything there were some exeptions.
I remember this game and loved it. Bought it on launch in christmas 1999 from a GAME in the UK. If I remember correctly, there were several fictional super tanks you could optionally play in place of the historical vehicles but the score would be disabled. There was a jet powered German tank, a couple of American super heavies, and a KV-2 like monstrocity for the Russians. In the Bis version of the game, there was a weird story involving a red version of the E79 but that's all I remember. Panzer front was great. It had infantry, tons of vehicles, actual objectives to capture, aircraft, weather conditions and a unit formations.
Thank you for making this video. I have been trying to dispel the nonsense of this tank existing for over a decade since I owned Panzer Front and it said on the box that the tank was fake.
We all start out believing stupid, untrue things about the hobbies and passions we love. One can only hope that we're self aware enough to let go of these earliest misconceptions. That's true of your hobbies and just life in general, we're all learning as we go so we can look back on ourselves and cringe at what we once believed.
Yeah, the biggest sign of someone who doesn't know much about a topic is then claiming to know everything about it lol. I've been there, as I assume most of us have.
VK 66 implies it’s a 66 ton tank. E-79 implies if weighs 79 tons. Vehicle stats say 61 tons. The most unrealistic thing about this tank is that it weighs less than planned.
The tank that Panzer Front showcases is something I could genuinely see Germany develop during WW2. It’s essentially an up-armored Panther, but with a new turret design and better gun, which is something the Germans were very obsessed with. But c’mon, really? A fire control system and infrared in the 1940s? Shell-deflecting armor? That has gotta be the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard people pass off as an actual historical development by the Germans, almost as absurd as the radar-absorbing charcoal paint of the Ho 229.
the germans had IR in the 1930s, and mass produced them in the 1940s, look up the FG1221 (1000 devices issued to combat units) and FG 1250 (44 units delivered, alongside 10 FG1253). these were actually used in combat, atleast once against the americans and atleast 50 times against the soviets. there was also the FG1229 'vampir' device for the StG 44 (issued to units in feb 1945) 310 units built, no confirmed combat uses. edit: range was limited to 500-600m so they also built the Sdkfz 251/20 Uhu to extend effective ranges to ~1250m edit 2: the allies also had IR in ww2, the british used IR devices on recon planes to scout the rhine banks prior to their crossing of the river, and the americans had 500 M3 carbines in combat on Okinawa (and accounted for 30% of japanese small arms casualties in the 1st week of the battle of okinawa, pulling well above their weight) [the M3 carbine was an M2 Carbine with IR sights, 2100 were made in total, vs 500 000 M2s). there are other IR projects aswell, but these are the main ones
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The biggest problem with IR is that it uses an active emitter - in other words, let's become an IR lighthouse. Somebody with an IR scope can operate in receive only mode, pick up your signal and shoot you based on that. And, oh by the way, it picks up your IR signal at a greater distance than your IR emitter can illuminate a target. I was so thankful when we got the M60A1 RISE Passive (which had image intensification (Starlight Scope) devices) and the M60A3 TTS (Tank Thermal Sight) which did a away with that huge IR searchlight and the associated risks of using it in combat.
To be fair, the Germans did have a primitive tank infrared system in place near the end, but it required a half track to shine an infrared searchlight which would then be picked up by Panthers and I don’t think they ever used it.
you are thinking of the Fahrgerat FG1250 IR night vision equipment, and no it did not need the sdkfz 2511/20 uhu as it had its own built in IR (12v 200W) search light. the Uhu was for lighting up long range targets beyond the 500m range of the FG1250. 44 pnther tanks deployed with the devices (and training to use them) into combat, 10 of which also had the FG1253 driver's IR device. Panzer Division Clausewitz reported useing them on the very early morining (02:00) on the 21st of April 1945 against allied infantyr and anti-tank guns along reichsstrasse 248 at the Weser-Elbe-Kanal bridge just east of Fallersleben. this is the only confirmed use of the FG1250 in combat. (the other confirmed uses were in marches at night) the ZG 1221 IR device was also sent into combat units (on marder IIs) (1000 devices delivered), these were used in combat on the eastern front (50 confirmed), and its combat experience with this that the sdkfz 251/20 uhu was made for later in the war.
Great and unexpected video, I too am born in 1999 and i have the panzer front for ps1. Truly an advanced game for its time with the mechanics and graphics.
If we're going Panzer Front, WE GOTTA talks about the ShortBull!!!! America built thousands of them!!! They served on every front!! Real talk, I remember being REALLY disappointed Panzer Front BiS was never released in America.
I love how you can tell its Saturn Footage for the most part, I miss those days in the 90s when not just games, but consoles themselves had a 'look' to them that you could just spot and go 'thats on x platform' !
Since you're about debunking stuff, I'll allow myself this one: linguistically speaking, lies tend to be perpetuated, rather than perpetrated. I enjoyed the video. Keep it up! :)
These Stories are phenomenal I love seen how something can go really South from a simple game or anything that looks similar to other tanks. Such as the face of "Panzerjägerwagen E79" Literally resembling the AMX 50B Foch.
Randomly showed up in my feed, kek. The fact that this tank *doesn't* show up in WOT/WT *def* means they exist/it's an actual tank model! 🤣 . . . More seriously, cool vid, subbing for sure! 😋👍
I used to despise this tank every time I saw it online because it's such an obvious fake, but now that I've seen its true history I kind of love it. It looks just sick in that old game!
The name E-79 is somewhat weird itself as, if I remember right the number roughly refers to the vehicles planed weight. So why would the be a 79 if there is a 75
Lol. I once tried to learn 3D modeling in Rhinoceros. E-79 was one of the things I modeled. No textures or anything, but it was fun. I should still have a render somewhere...
I am starting to love this series some of I thought was real but never really cared look up is now more easier to access information about it through the videos thank u cone of arc
Oh yes please, this game is an underrated gem in both the PS1 and in the military game library, I would love you to cover it more along with the other more bizzare designs this game has.
Yeah I was gonna get the game for my PS1 but for recording purposes it was easier to emulate. Plus I was planning this vid for a few weeks ago so I didn't think it would arrive in time
How could you load this cannon? I am genuinely curious cause the regular tiger 2 turret is already too small for this cannon and this turret is even smaller.
I gotta say, the KV-2-2-2 is one of my favorite Fake Tanks but the KV-6 I have a fondness for because it's a Landship. Honestly I want more Landship types of Fake Tanks, we deserve some Landships.
There were plans for the Tiger 2 for 1946 and onwords to receive such things as Night fighting equipment, Stabilizers and with the Stabs a proper FCS. Something they wanted to do is have a fully stabilized optic disconnected from the Gun with a syncronicing mechanism to only allow the gun to fire when it is aligned with the gun. something like this hasnt been seen up untill digital fire controls on Leo2, Abrams etc.
Awesome video!!! "Panzer Front" - yep, played that game on the Play Station 1 AND still have that game. Play it every now and then (yep - still have the Play Station(s) 1, 2. 3). Thought that that game was pretty good and thought that the tank combat was realistic enough for the time. Yep - remember the E-79 and choosing it for some missions. Was able to eliminate most enemy tanks with a single shot and was able to survive just about any enemy fire. However, there would be that one pesky towed anti-tank gun that I could never find and that would always take me out!!!
The KV-6 at least looks ridiculous enough that you can tell it's fake. This thing looks like the Panzer Front devs actually considered how tanks are actually built and used, and as such it looks very realistic, even if it's completely made up. Might be a partial reason that it convinces some people. But the main reason, of course, is the Wheraboos.
"If the war continued until 1948" Wehraboos conveniently forgetting that if the war continued until August of 1945, a couple of major German cities would have atom bombs dropped on them.
@@OfficalBird_man I believe they had a 3rd bomb ready; the Japanese would've gotten theirs. Just a longer delay between the 1st and 2nd bomb (assuming the Japanese didn't surrender after the 1st).
btw the name Schwarzwolf doesn't sound very Nazi. It actually sounds very Hollywood as is Brimstone ect ect it really is very hilarious. I haven't heard of this game but I am really unhappy I missed out on it dang ! Sounds like a really good game.
Oh yeah oh yeaahhhh this is one of the first game I played when I was a kid. It was longgggg time ago. And tbh I don't really care about the graphics (old game obviously) but the gameplay is fun and challenging and the cutscene when u killed enemy tanks is just satisfying. After watching this vid, I really want to play this game again. Thank you, kindly
As you may notice I forgot to add the list of my TH-cam members at the end of the video. Sorry about that to my members and here is the list of their names since I didn't have time to re-render the video: ZombiGaming, Azfar Fenner, Limmy K, Ragnarok, A, Mr X2, will wilm, Blue Knight, Sean, Oliver Strö., Marvin Mills, Yuk-Luen Man, O D, Logic_set_to_one gaming, MetaDave, Flying Pachyderm, David Hall, Willbuh Williamz, pompomchan, Braňo Kohút
are you a war thunder guy or a world of tanks guy
can't wait for the red alerts 2 tank fake Friday Episode
@@popeo1973 thoes are more of alternative history tank then a fake tank.
Keep up the amazing fake tank Friday’s. Also idea for a video, go in depth on the flying tank concept by Mike Sparks it truly is a hilarious concep
6:37 Im gonna be honest as soon as I saw this it reminded me of the French Foch Tank Destroyer
A general rule of thumb for German wonder weapons. If its called a wonder weapon it either didnt work, was never produced, or never existed.
The V1 and V2 we’re built and did exist though they didn’t do much
@@jameson1239 I guess you found the exception to the rule of thumb. Apparently they have a killed "18,000 mostly civilians" according to wiki
@@meatball.9710 that’s like a drop in the bucket compared to the total casualty’s of WW2 also they just killed civilians from what I know they weren’t accurate enough to hit like factories and stuff
@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk and it aint do shit
Looks like the cross between a king tiger and panther 5 my eyes LMAO.
"Panzerjagerwagen E79-128" would be quite possibly the most wehraboo name for a made-up vehicle if only it had "Ausf-[insert some nonsense here]" tacked onto the end.
Yup
If some people believe that tank exist, than the marketing team from that game developer really an expert in his job
Or people are so gullible that anything thrown at them will be embraced without a second thought.
@@rotwang2000 yep, they're just dumb. at least these Wehraboos are preferable to the types who still think The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was real and that Herman Wirth's Palestinabuch exists somewhere.
@@rotwang2000could be both
Genuinely wish I could play panzerfront now, it looks so good. Would love a remake of it to (idk if it has already been done)
There was a sequel to panzer front for the PS2, but it focused on the north afrca campaign, with only one mission taking place in europe.
There was a kind of upgraded version on the Dreamcast. Unfortunately, only released in Japan.
Did find the game on Amazon. 👍
I got it and a PS-3. Runs perfectly
Emulate my dude
I'm actually going to point out that the E-79 appears to have a "Family" of similar tanks. The Edelweiss of Valkyria Chronicles bears a stark resemblence to the E-79 (especially the turret), and I own the artbook so I might be able to consult if they have shared vehicle designers. I know the earliest ideas for what became Valkyria Chronicles circled back in 2003 or so.
Yep, it's a similar turret on a 3/4 hull
@@teslashark 3 Hull. (Identifieable by the number (and size) of the wheels. III has 6, IV has 8.)
@@Armageddon_71 I mean the one unimaginatively called 3/4, a 6-wheel chassis based on 4
@@Armageddon_71 the panzer III/IV was a design unification proposal for the german army it also had 6 road wheels.
but it is infact a panzer 3 inspired hull*
@@teslashark no its a panzer 3, you can tell because the panzer III/IV had leaf spring bogie (like the panzer IV) suspension while the panzer III and the Eidelweis have torsion bar suspension.
All I'm pissed at with the E-79 is one thing: WHY IS THERE NO RESKIN FOR THE E 75 WITH THIS MONSTROSITY?!
simply take the E79 and scale it up :D
All I am pissed off at is the fact that someone from a videogame company of all things, made a more balistically well protected turret than the Germans did in the whole fucking war.
That's true, E 75 is my all time fav ht in game, I hope somebody will make the skin for E 75 base on the E 79, at least it will look different and modern-ish than having majority the same design as Tiger 2.
It exists. It was one of the very first fan-reskins for WoT ever made, IIRC. A small simple mod, replacing the model.
Was junky as all hecks - hitboxes weren't matching, you know.
@@AllMightyKingBowserGermany preferred welding their turrets but for complex shapes you had to cast them. Germans were excellent at welding but struggled with armour casting. Also cast armor has to be somewhat thicker to provide the same protection as rolled plate armor.
the fact that Panzer Front has Panzerlied in it's sound track is amazing.
The theme music for the Germans, Russians and Americans are all very fun to listen to. The Russians have The Sacred War and the Americans have the typical militaristic drum beat of a song.
Yeah, it‘s even better when another german march but erika is played in any german ww2 themed vid, erika is so fucking overused 😭😭
@@Darkel45 Can't blame them, Erika is just too darn catchy
Finally, Panzer Front got a bit of recognition after 22 years. Very great video
given WG's "Standards" for realism for inclusion these days, I'm surprised it *hasn't* been added to WoT yet.
The only reason I can think of is that WG has not knew this fictional tank yet.
Prolly cuz other company has the right for this design.
@@theislanddweller1335 The same reason they didn't introduce the "Krokodil" concepts (Jgdpz E-100 with front-mounted gun) - those were originally made by a modeling company.
With paper 200mm turret front and front hull 180mm with good angle. This is basically just a slower E50 with bigger gun, better hull armor and shittier turret(though it can might be similar or a bit better considering the sloping).
I don't even play WoT, but if they could get the rights to include the design, that would actually be a cool homage to the original game
Ah yes, the E-79
I think i first know this tank from the game's official artwork, so I know this is a fictional tanks. They also have interesting design for other nations in that game too if i remember correctly.
the Light tank with design layout similar to the excalibur in WoT
@@JetfireQuasar Ah yes, Excalibur with M3/M5 light running gear IIRC.
The americans had:
The "Shortbull" which looked like a T-95 with a huge turret with a 105mm gun, and the "T69E3" which looked like an M5 stuart with an M4A1 turret and kinda resembled the Excalibur from WoT and had a 76mm gun.
The germans had:
The "E-79" like you saw on the video, and the "Schnellpanzer" which looked like TD version of a Leopard 1 that kinda looked like a longer and wider Jagdpanther... Oh and it also had a gas turbine engine which made it the fastest tank in the game.
Both tanks were fitted with different guns depending on the year of the battle you were playing. Either 8.8cm or 12.8cm gun for the "E-79", and either a short 7.5cm gun, a long 7.5cm L/70 gun OR a long 8.8cm gun for the "Schnellpanzer"
And the Soviets had:
The "SU-122" which was a TD version of an elongated T-34 hull with a 122mm gun and it kinda looked like a bigger SU-100, and another tank which name I cannot remember but I remember it looked like a rounded KV-2 turred on an IS-2 hull and it had an 152mm howitzer.
the E-79 was so fun to use in the game. All Panzer Front fictional tanks were amazing designs.
The cool thing about PanzerFront, is that you can fight the demon tiger in the E-79
Yup but only in the Japanese version, the story of the campaign is straight up something from an anime lol.
@@mfm88mm22 and it cool as füçk, wish they had made the PS2 panzer front as cool as the PS1...
(PS2 has a Panzer Front asuf.B)
Great video, wonder if you could have a look at a weird line of scale models from a company called modelcollect which contain many sub-variants of the E-50, E-75 and the E-100 like the stug E-100 or even the E-75 with its turret replaced with an open launch platform for the V-1 flying bomb, or the more crazy designs in the fist of war series of models by a company called rocket models which has the P.500 gungnir assault carrier, literal mechs like the BLF-100 ein Mann or the insane leopold 28cm gun but with its pivoting rail sections replaced by 2 E-100 hulls with the pivot resting on the where the turret should be.
There was a planned Jagdpanzer on the basis of the E-100, but it definitely wasn’t referred to as a StuG.
@@corneliusmcmuffin3256 if I remember correctly the "stug" one looks like an extra thick jagpanther genuinely in my opinion a fun model.
@@mrfisher1072 Isn't that what people cal the "Krokodil"?
@@shadow_entity9191 I honestly can't remember I think that name has been given to two different models the forward mounted superstructure jag e100 and the spaa e100 that has like twin 88 flak guns lol
@@mrfisher1072 both the jagdpanzer E-100 and Flakpanzer E-100 are fake tanks made up by modeling companies
i'm not a tank expert, but i am an ex-tank commander, taken off duty due to injuries.
i see a lot of people on sites like Reddit that claim to be experts here and there, but the moment there is any cracks in what they claim, they fold like omlets to the pressure of being found out.
i am very glad tha you take your time to research this and come out with actual facts. good job as always man. keep up the good work!
The coolest thing about this tank is that it was designed by the legendary Mamoru Nagano of Five Star Stories fame. It has appeared in some of his illustrations and the turret in particular has made an appearance on top of a hovertank in the Joker Galaxy. Also thanks to Nagano being the boutique mecha designer that he is, this tank's model kit has been made available more times and for far longer than those of its Panzer Front comrades. That may be part of the reason behind this confusion. When the kit was sold as part of the Panzer Front lineup, with a clear understanding that they represent designs taken from the same game, it was harder to mistake it as a real tank. However, once the kit started getting sold on its own without its buddies for context... well...
Especially when the SU-122S is found together with SU-122P...
What was the kit released as? I kind of want one.
@@Kasperl88 Oh, sorry to disappoint you. The E-79 kit was last released in 1:35 form by WAVE Japan (yes, meaning it's a resin kit) in 2020. There are copies floating in Taobao. That said, as the last release year suggests, every once in a while someone will get around to releasing this very popular fictional tank in one form or another.
@@andrewsuryali8540 about time for a 1/48 version methinks, and I could then run it with my proper tanks from 40K and call it an E 79 pattern Russ!! 😊.
@@CrusaderSports250 I would call it the E79 Nagano pattern battle tank (and its lore would hint that the imperium thought the design was real and built it but with substitute 40k era materials and filling in gaps with 40k tech resulting in it being competitive)
That panzerjägerwagen thingy looks nearly identical to the AMX-50 FOCH with only a sloping rear and no range finder being the 2 big differences
Yeah. If any alt history German needs newer tanks, just look at French ones.
Its design reminds me a little of the Russian tank T-54 with components and details typical of the last German tanks of the WWII.
Yah, it looks like someone took Russian Models and smashed it with German Models. With how this thing goes, I wouldn’t be shocked if some Wheraboos would claim that “The Russians stole the plans from the E-79!” Like they do with the AK-47
It did remind me of the t 54/55 tanks as well! As it were a German knock off of those tanks…
I love this game, I loved the tank controls too. Man it could get intense, more so when you acedently drove into your own heavy arty zones, or even semi urban zones.
Ahh... The good old days!
This was my very first Tank Sim game ever played way back 2002. 10 years before I started playing World of Tanks.
Imagine not playing War Thunder
@@Ricklet0ons f*ck off world of tank community didnt even do shit to u guy so just shutup,war thunder doesnt better in everyway,there are still some good point in world of tank,just shut up and f*ck off if u dont understand a single crap
@@Ricklet0ons based armored warfare player here
@@Questionablethingy thats the thing with you WoT players, you get triggered over a smallest joke
@@hade2332 look i dont mind ok? i play both game but what the problem? everywhere i go they gonna harrass me just because im a freaking world of tank player,that why im tired of this bullsh*t
I became aware of the E-79 after learning that the VK 45.03(H) blueprint was called Tiger III, and looking for some examples of this "Tiger III". When looking for a "Tiger III" with Google Images, the E-79 comes up quite a bit.
Funny, I'm getting E-100's with the "Adler" turret.
@@D8W2P4 honestly that is basically the same thing, but taller
e-79 other name is actually Panther III Zecke if im not mistaken
WG soon:
*Write that down, Write that down !*
Panzer Front was my first WWII tank game ever and I didn't realise the OG tanks were fake back then but I have no regret ever played that game, one of the PS1 gems.
This would be a neat pick in WoT. WG should add this as premium, very fit for their moto - Profit first, realistic: never
I don't think they would want to copy some toy store kit tank and put it into the game although I think the jg pz e 100 model got sold as a toy once so It could be possible.
@@MyTran-gn4rk They already added bullshit tanks, so this would be totally fine by now
@@offset7711 technically wg only uses stuff that the yuri pasholok approves which is kinda dubious at times since the guy magically pulls out stuff we have never seen before but I don't think he'll approve the E79 as a thing consodering it's a tank made up by some other people (although if it did happen it might as well be the new tier 10 heavy tank that succeeds the E75 and E50 I guess)
@@offset7711 which tanks ?
@@startingbark0356 to be fair. Most tanks of wot have some historical basis. The only one I know of that was completely made up was the WT E100. That one was removed tho. The only other tank that was made up but could have had some historical basis is the GW tiger P. It was never ment to exist in this form so atleast the design is made up but there was a proposal to turn some tiger P chassis into a SPG. That never happened tho and there were no drawings. The E50M design is made up as there was no drawing for it, just a proposal. The Japanese heavies are at best shady. Some parts are made up, some have some partially historical basis. These are atleast the ones I can remember. Better to look it up for yourself. There are more but for the sake of not giving false Infos I'm not going to mention it as it has been quite some time when I looked into it.
Played the hell out of Panzer Front back in the day. And the Japanese version featured larger fleet of vehicles and things like apcs and cannons, providing great replay value.
Nice 3D model of the E79, whoever made it did a crack up job considering how many pixels they were given as a basis
6:37 that's just a fucking French AMX 50 Foch or AMX AC 48 drawing but with a couple major differences and a handful of minor things changed! Whomever drew this was almost definitely inspired by the AMX AC 48 and/or AMX 50 Foch.
I thought this reminded me of something I’d seen before (and I knew it wasn’t this) and I figured it out about three minutes in.
The Edelweiss tank from Valkyrie Chronicles 1 is a dead ringer, complete with the rounded turret.
Granted, that is more likely just due to the shared ‘German but not specifically similar to any real tanks’ design they both seem to share
Gentleman, I have it on good authority that the E-79 did exist 1945. My internet buddy in Germany found the original Wehrmacht documents in a secret storage locker in the crew compartment of his vintage P1000 Ratte he’s currently restoring in a rented ex-dirigible hanger outside of Düsseldorf
Bffft!
Everyone knows that the ultimate German tank of WWII was today's Leopard 2A7+.
One of these took out 3,238 T-34's at the battle of Kursk before a combination of Soviet artillery and airstrikes took it out.
Was that from movie called White Tiger ? 😂
The game play literally looks good how is that possible 23 year old game lol
Absurd Island majic of mystical Japanese game devs
Because 1999 wasn't the Dark Ages. Computers already had 3d accelerated graphics cards by then, and some people were even already using broadband internet service.
it was the Early 3d gaming era @@ct6502c
my zimmerit cravings are CURED!
Panzer Front was what sparked my love for tanks..
I loved the E-79, the Short Bull, and the smooth SU the most.
The Aureole I had a lot of trouble with.. But if I played it now, maybe I'd be better at it. xD
6:13 Technically the Maus used a 128mm cannon. the problem here is that the entire PaK designation is stupid as only Jagdpanther and Panzerjäger had mounts with such a designation. All tanks had KwKs.
wat
Yeah, PaKs (Panzerabwehr Kannone(n) = Anti tank cannon(s)) were guns originaly used by ground units and then fited onto Panzerjäger (Hunting tanks). KwKs (Kampfwagen Kannone(n) = Battle vehicle cannon(s)) were, like the name said, developed from the start as vehicle (mostly tank) based weapons. Like with everything there were some exeptions.
When the panzer front series is over, you should make command and conquer series. That mammoth tank.
It looks like a t54 fused with a King tiger and put a maus gun.
I remember this game and loved it. Bought it on launch in christmas 1999 from a GAME in the UK. If I remember correctly, there were several fictional super tanks you could optionally play in place of the historical vehicles but the score would be disabled. There was a jet powered German tank, a couple of American super heavies, and a KV-2 like monstrocity for the Russians.
In the Bis version of the game, there was a weird story involving a red version of the E79 but that's all I remember.
Panzer front was great. It had infantry, tons of vehicles, actual objectives to capture, aircraft, weather conditions and a unit formations.
Red version of E-75/122 was in Berlin mission in Tank Select mode.
I thought this tank was actually real lol. I dumb, great video btw
Thank you for making this video. I have been trying to dispel the nonsense of this tank existing for over a decade since I owned Panzer Front and it said on the box that the tank was fake.
We all start out believing stupid, untrue things about the hobbies and passions we love. One can only hope that we're self aware enough to let go of these earliest misconceptions. That's true of your hobbies and just life in general, we're all learning as we go so we can look back on ourselves and cringe at what we once believed.
Yeah, the biggest sign of someone who doesn't know much about a topic is then claiming to know everything about it lol. I've been there, as I assume most of us have.
VK 66 implies it’s a 66 ton tank.
E-79 implies if weighs 79 tons.
Vehicle stats say 61 tons.
The most unrealistic thing about this tank is that it weighs less than planned.
7:13 - That's a great shot! There's some stretched textures on the vertical faces of some of the polygons, tho. Once you see 'em...
Ah yes, the E-79.
An E-75 and Panther II had a baby, it was adopted by an M1A2 and Leo 2A4.
It's more like if T-55A and Tiger 2 had a baby but the neighbor was a Maus or Jagdtiger
@@kajmak64bit76 it remind me more of Japanese type 74 than t55
Looks like a leopard 1
The tank that Panzer Front showcases is something I could genuinely see Germany develop during WW2. It’s essentially an up-armored Panther, but with a new turret design and better gun, which is something the Germans were very obsessed with.
But c’mon, really? A fire control system and infrared in the 1940s? Shell-deflecting armor? That has gotta be the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard people pass off as an actual historical development by the Germans, almost as absurd as the radar-absorbing charcoal paint of the Ho 229.
the germans had IR in the 1930s, and mass produced them in the 1940s, look up the FG1221 (1000 devices issued to combat units) and FG 1250 (44 units delivered, alongside 10 FG1253). these were actually used in combat, atleast once against the americans and atleast 50 times against the soviets. there was also the FG1229 'vampir' device for the StG 44 (issued to units in feb 1945) 310 units built, no confirmed combat uses.
edit: range was limited to 500-600m so they also built the Sdkfz 251/20 Uhu to extend effective ranges to ~1250m
edit 2: the allies also had IR in ww2, the british used IR devices on recon planes to scout the rhine banks prior to their crossing of the river, and the americans had 500 M3 carbines in combat on Okinawa (and accounted for 30% of japanese small arms casualties in the 1st week of the battle of okinawa, pulling well above their weight) [the M3 carbine was an M2 Carbine with IR sights, 2100 were made in total, vs 500 000 M2s).
there are other IR projects aswell, but these are the main ones
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The biggest problem with IR is that it uses an active emitter - in other words, let's become an IR lighthouse. Somebody with an IR scope can operate in receive only mode, pick up your signal and shoot you based on that. And, oh by the way, it picks up your IR signal at a greater distance than your IR emitter can illuminate a target. I was so thankful when we got the M60A1 RISE Passive (which had image intensification (Starlight Scope) devices) and the M60A3 TTS (Tank Thermal Sight) which did a away with that huge IR searchlight and the associated risks of using it in combat.
@@colbeausabre8842I don't think many allied units in ww2 carried IR receivers
I've been trying to remember the name of this game for ages now. I spent so many hours playing this on PS1. It was an incredible game
I had forgotten about this tank.
Panzer Front though is without doubt one of the best Tank simulators and still holds up really well to this day.
To be fair, the Germans did have a primitive tank infrared system in place near the end, but it required a half track to shine an infrared searchlight which would then be picked up by Panthers and I don’t think they ever used it.
you are thinking of the Fahrgerat FG1250 IR night vision equipment, and no it did not need the sdkfz 2511/20 uhu as it had its own built in IR (12v 200W) search light. the Uhu was for lighting up long range targets beyond the 500m range of the FG1250.
44 pnther tanks deployed with the devices (and training to use them) into combat, 10 of which also had the FG1253 driver's IR device. Panzer Division Clausewitz reported useing them on the very early morining (02:00) on the 21st of April 1945 against allied infantyr and anti-tank guns along reichsstrasse 248 at the Weser-Elbe-Kanal bridge just east of Fallersleben. this is the only confirmed use of the FG1250 in combat. (the other confirmed uses were in marches at night)
the ZG 1221 IR device was also sent into combat units (on marder IIs) (1000 devices delivered), these were used in combat on the eastern front (50 confirmed), and its combat experience with this that the sdkfz 251/20 uhu was made for later in the war.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Thanks for the info.
I guess this is what the creators of Valkyria Chronicles based the tanks of that game on.
I do love the Panzerlied in the background
That's a game I haven't thought of in a long time! Actually used to play it, had a good bit of fun. I remember the tank with the turbine engines.
Ah yes the "panzerjagerwagen E79". Definitely NOT an AMX-50 Foch with a panther's engine bay
Great and unexpected video, I too am born in 1999 and i have the panzer front for ps1. Truly an advanced game for its time with the mechanics and graphics.
Panzer Front was probably my most played PS1. Loved it.
Thx for this historical roundhouse kick and the hard work behind it, next could be a doubbleheader (TS-54?).
Glad to see the next one of these come out! Another great video
This tank reminds me on what Porsche will do in the E series
If we're going Panzer Front, WE GOTTA talks about the ShortBull!!!!
America built thousands of them!!!
They served on every front!!
Real talk, I remember being REALLY disappointed Panzer Front BiS was never released in America.
3:19 Not only Panzer Front bis but also the Panzer Front Ausf.B from PS2 as well.
I love how you can tell its Saturn Footage for the most part, I miss those days in the 90s when not just games, but consoles themselves had a 'look' to them that you could just spot and go 'thats on x platform' !
Wargaming: We introduce you to a new Tier 9 reward prem tank the E 79
Player: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
Since you're about debunking stuff, I'll allow myself this one: linguistically speaking, lies tend to be perpetuated, rather than perpetrated.
I enjoyed the video. Keep it up! :)
Honestly, this is one of the best fake tanks I've seen. It's entirely plausible, in the original form, and seems a rational design.
That's why I know it's fake.
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Foch🗿
These Stories are phenomenal
I love seen how something can go really South from a simple game or anything that looks similar to other tanks.
Such as the face of "Panzerjägerwagen E79" Literally resembling the AMX 50B Foch.
Ahh yess you did my request. Thank you.
Ngl this is genuinely the first i have ever heard about a ps1 game called "Panzer front".
To be honest, the design of the tank looks really good, so having it in a more modern game would be a real neat thing.
sauerkraut doesnt mean sourcream tho...
Randomly showed up in my feed, kek. The fact that this tank *doesn't* show up in WOT/WT *def* means they exist/it's an actual tank model! 🤣
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More seriously, cool vid, subbing for sure! 😋👍
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That design reminds me of the AMX 50 foch.
I used to despise this tank every time I saw it online because it's such an obvious fake, but now that I've seen its true history I kind of love it. It looks just sick in that old game!
The name E-79 is somewhat weird itself as, if I remember right the number roughly refers to the vehicles planed weight. So why would the be a 79 if there is a 75
Lol. I once tried to learn 3D modeling in Rhinoceros. E-79 was one of the things I modeled. No textures or anything, but it was fun. I should still have a render somewhere...
that TD version looks awfully similar to the french ones like the lorraine
I am starting to love this series some of I thought was real but never really cared look up is now more easier to access information about it through the videos thank u cone of arc
Oh yes please, this game is an underrated gem in both the PS1 and in the military game library, I would love you to cover it more along with the other more bizzare designs this game has.
Model kit companies: *It's free real estate*
I could emulate the game or I could just grab a copy off eBay and play it because never getting rid of old consoles is legit.
Yeah I was gonna get the game for my PS1 but for recording purposes it was easier to emulate. Plus I was planning this vid for a few weeks ago so I didn't think it would arrive in time
Thank you for the video! 😁
How could you load this cannon?
I am genuinely curious cause the regular tiger 2 turret is already too small for this cannon and this turret is even smaller.
Uhh superior German engineering of course they need not pay attention to trivial things like turret volume or the laws of physics
magic
*magik of magik*
@@jameson1239 Oh I am sorry forgot about that
Super secret German autoloader technology using nanobots
I gotta say, the KV-2-2-2 is one of my favorite Fake Tanks but the KV-6 I have a fondness for because it's a Landship. Honestly I want more Landship types of Fake Tanks, we deserve some Landships.
There were plans for the Tiger 2 for 1946 and onwords to receive such things as Night fighting equipment, Stabilizers and with the Stabs a proper FCS.
Something they wanted to do is have a fully stabilized optic disconnected from the Gun with a syncronicing mechanism to only allow the gun to fire when it is aligned with the gun.
something like this hasnt been seen up untill digital fire controls on Leo2, Abrams etc.
It looks like the Eidleweiss from Valkyria Chronicles.
Awesome video!!! "Panzer Front" - yep, played that game on the Play Station 1 AND still have that game. Play it every now and then (yep - still have the Play Station(s) 1, 2. 3). Thought that that game was pretty good and thought that the tank combat was realistic enough for the time. Yep - remember the E-79 and choosing it for some missions. Was able to eliminate most enemy tanks with a single shot and was able to survive just about any enemy fire. However, there would be that one pesky towed anti-tank gun that I could never find and that would always take me out!!!
The KV-6 at least looks ridiculous enough that you can tell it's fake. This thing looks like the Panzer Front devs actually considered how tanks are actually built and used, and as such it looks very realistic, even if it's completely made up. Might be a partial reason that it convinces some people. But the main reason, of course, is the Wheraboos.
Bruuuuh that game brought back sooooo many memories.
"If the war continued until 1948"
Wehraboos conveniently forgetting that if the war continued until August of 1945, a couple of major German cities would have atom bombs dropped on them.
Yup... those Japan bombs were originally meant for Germany... but Soviets rushed B before the bombs were finished lol
ulternatively the war continues, but under operation unthinkable and the germans are ones fighting for the wallies
What if they did drop the bombs on germany what would happen to japan then?
@@OfficalBird_man I believe they had a 3rd bomb ready; the Japanese would've gotten theirs. Just a longer delay between the 1st and 2nd bomb (assuming the Japanese didn't surrender after the 1st).
Anyone know the song that plays around 2:12?
It kind of looks like the 'Edelweiss' from Valkyria Chronicles.
It looks like the Valkyrie chronicles tank.
Is it me or does it look like a t55 hull with a leopard-ish turret
it looks like panther hull horizontally cut in half for me
I love how you can head the defender’s march 7:30
btw the name Schwarzwolf doesn't sound very Nazi. It actually sounds very Hollywood as is Brimstone ect ect it really is very hilarious. I haven't heard of this game but I am really unhappy I missed out on it dang ! Sounds like a really good game.
This mildly reminds me of Valkyria Chronicles tanks, especially the turret resembling the Edelweiss and Nameless
5:12 I’ve heard this song many times, and when I first heard it I thought I was hearing things lol
I'm not surprised that when I was five believed that this tank was real. But still I love the design.
This tank is logically comparable to E-50
The shape of the turret reminds me the Edelveiss tank from Valkyria Chronicles
Oh yeah oh yeaahhhh this is one of the first game I played when I was a kid. It was longgggg time ago. And tbh I don't really care about the graphics (old game obviously) but the gameplay is fun and challenging and the cutscene when u killed enemy tanks is just satisfying. After watching this vid, I really want to play this game again. Thank you, kindly
all i got out of this video is how impressive the graphics are for its time and why i love PS1 style lowpoly 3D