The Reality of World of Tanks Blitz's Japanese Heavy Line | Fake Tank Friday
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Today we look at the reality behind the Japanese heavy line in World of Tanks Blitz. Are any of them real or are they all just fake tanks? Stay tuned to find out.
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You also should cover the japanese heavy tanks from the normal game. I think they are more based on real designs.
Pretty cool getting sponsored by Amazon on a channel that does little research.
thanks but no thanks
The tank models all have the what looks like the AMX-50 hull
It is impressive how wargaming can craft these tanks quite realistically (most of the time) out of nothing more than references to real projects, proposals, influence of other nations and just trends in how nations design their tanks in their respective time periods.
yep, shame all the wot games are garbage
Glorified Chi-Ris and similar tanks that look like Type 90 prototypes doe.
@@rattlesnake551 mad cuz bad
@@rattlesnake551 said by a man that don't know or don't want to enjoy the game
@@rattlesnake551 war thunder is shit too dude if not even worse
As an ex-blitz player, i can say with confidence that the devs like to straight up invent tanks for the game
they adding Italian TDs on 9.4
wotb devs: the source is that i made it the fuck up
Well they did add semovente m41 and bassotto that are real
Gotta add some fictional tanks to make it interesting lol
@@Vorteks47 straight from hirohito wet dream
A writeup from WoT Japanese tank enthusiast Leggasiini:
Tier 5: Mitsu 108 - A fake fusion of Mitsu 104 and Ishi 108 heavy tanks (latter which is also likely a fake, and even the former is dubious).There's a chance both Mitsu and Ishi are fake tanks by themselves, so what we have here is potentially a fake tank that's a result of two fake tanks combined together. Still, assuming the Mitsu 104 is real (which is very close to this thing), the Mitsu 108 is basically like...1% historical.
Tier 6: Ju-Nu - Completely fictional. Basically a what-if tank if Japan got the Tiger I tank and produced its own, native heavy tanks using features of the Tiger. The design is plausible, but its complete alternate-history fantasy.
Tier 7: Ju-To - Completely fictional. Same story as the Ju-Nu, though the design is a lot less plausible. The hull design barely looks Japanese, and the side screens on the turret is something Japan really didn't do during WW2.
Tier 8: Chi-Se - The only "real" vehicle in the branch, and even then it can be considered fictional, as the design is completely hypothetical. Chi-Se was a very obscure plan of "next generation medium tank", with 10.5 cm AT gun, rotating turret and "a new type of suspension". Nothing else was known - no drawings of it exist. It was presumably very late WW2 design and thus didn't get anywhere. It's commonly represented as basically a turreted Ho-Ri (sloped armor Ho-Ri hull, Chi-Ri turret and 10.5 cm gun), but there's no actual evidence the Chi-Se was exactly like that. Funnily enough, the design WG used for the Chi-Se is heavily based on the Chi-Se design made by the Japanese WoT PC community, which was done for their Japanese tech tree proposal. So basically, a community-made tank design has made it in. Pretty cool. Either way, some things about the Chi-Se are surely wrong - it was a MT, not HT (though functionally it was much closer to a HT than MT), and it has heavily overinflated armor.
Tier 8 premium: Type 57 - Fake as fuck. Whereas the other heavies are at least somewhat believable designs, this one is total bullshit and is on par with shit like WZ-111 6 and new rocker booster derp gun heavies. It's like Object 252U fused with STA-1...what? There's nothing even remotely realistic about this tank.
Tier 9 and tier 10: Type 68 and Type 71 - I list these together because their story and basis are identical. Basically, these are "what if" designs. Japan had weight restrictions due to bridges as stuff, as foreign MBTs would've been too heavy to cross them. This is why the Type 61 and STB-1/Type 74 were lighter than the comparable MBTs from other nations. The idea with these tanks is "what if Japan didn't have those weight restrictions and could design much heavier MBTs?". The designs are...actually not bad and quite believable. The Type 71 in particular is just a STB-1/Type 74 on steroids, a lot of steroids. Both of these tanks are bit too heavy to be feasible, though - if these were real, they most likely would've still capped to 50-55 tons, not almost 70 tons like the Type 71. However, while these are somewhat believable designs, they're still completely fictional.
Basically, the HT line is mostly "what if" tech tree that is mostly based on theoretical possibilities. Its sort of "alternate history" line, but the designs (other than the tier 8 prem) are actually interesting and something Japan could've very well done if things went a bit differently. Like 95% fake if not more, but because the designs are fine and actually cool, I wouldn't mind if they were added.
Damn, you typed all that? That's more than I'll type all year😂😅
@@Swellington_ I didnt, the dude did and I shared it.
@@CharcharoExplorer oh,ok
the guy who wrote this has no idea about paragraph spacing
@@mrducky179 I apologize, he had paragraphs but when pasted here they were removed.
Man, using that original WoT garage music hit me right in the nostalgia.
back when the game was actually good
Also the annihilator with it's tripple rotating barrels each dispensing a round exists too, alongside anime tanks, Warhammer 40k tanks, and the sorts
those are straight made up and WG isn't saying that they are real like the japanese heavies.
@@PanzertruppenLeopard_1 no shit sherlock
Well except for the gup tanks that refers to actual tanks that actually existed
@@PanzertruppenLeopard_1 annihilator and those 40k tanks are actually complete real, those were American prototype tanks during the cold war, due to funding issue it never left beyond the drawing table.
@@neymarjr_. source?
@@Bruhngus420 its a joke
I do love how Wotb is embracing their Fictional Tanks than Wot PC does.
and Damn sure is very fun to play Type 71 with those suspension thingy that make it go like a medium tank.
It’s not fun to fight against hence its lowerplate is quite strong when angled.
It's fun to play Type 71, but not if you are the one going against type 71.
I left the game because of it, it the only way my E100 can reliably pen the T-71 is on the rear, everywhere else it's either spam premium ammo or suffer.
@@raymartcarreon6069 Hah, I have the type 71 and while it is a fun and powerful tank, it is by no means OP. I can defeat it anytime with my IS-4.
its such a boring tank to play
@@raymartcarreon6069 Hit it with HE if you can’t pen with prammo, aim just under the gun for maximum splash damage, can reliably do 400+ damage easily
If I might suggest another tank to take a look at, the Ha-Chi from Battlefield 5. It’s basically a Chi-Ha, but it has rocket pods on the side that allow it to fire barrages like a Sherman Calliope
I'm interested in the thought process of BF5 developers in the making of that tank since Japan literally had an actual rocket-launcher Chi-Ha tank variant.
@@standard-carrier-wo-chan really? What’s the name of that variant? I’m intrigued
@@alexboehm3919 Chi-Ha Rocket Minesweeper GS. Not exactly a true "rocket launcher tank", but BF5 dev team could've taken liberties based on this design instead. It has perhaps a 13.2mm or 25mm machine gun on the turret.
@@standard-carrier-wo-chan
Its mostly just time saving. BfVs british lineup literaly consists of 2 valentine variants and 2 churchill variants
I'd love it if you did this for more Blitz lines! I'd love to hear about the 183 line or the Yoh line in more detail
Ah I remember the debut of world of tanks 10 years ago. I played this when I saw an ad over on History Channel about a tank game. Me, being a loco for tanks when I was a kid immediately played the game. I ran down the German Heavies because just everybody else, I want to get my hands on the Legendary Tiger, but enough said after months of playing WoT the game gradually expands the tech trees and it was this time I could see some tanks which only exists in blueprints and of course some of fictional tanks. As time passed by I could see an entire tech tree that didn't exist especially the introduction of the Waffentrager Tank Destroyer line. I finally concluded that, Wargaming no longer focuses on real tanks but more of the fantasy tanks of the devs. I quit WoT after that. Just sharing, no hate. I like WoT but I'm just disappointed on the number of fictional tanks present, not to mention most fictional tanks are OP.
War Thunder is the way to go for realism
@@Juhnaaa ye ghost shells are very realistic
@@grumogus experienced that using the 268. With 303 pen I have no trouble shooting E-75s in point blank range. I shot 3 times no ricks or pens no nothing.
@@virtualtrucker26 this along with the bs rng and match making made me quit wot
i dont know if they fixed ghost shells in wt yet because i quit it 1year ago
@@Juhnaaa I switched over to War Thunder for awhile, but that game has some serious issues. It's just a frustration simulator.
The Japanese heavy tanks in World Of Tanks Blitz is just Wargaming not wanting to add the Type 5 heavy line in World Of Tanks,so they made this fake line
Technically speaking you dont have to disprove them. Its nearly impossible to prove a negative as nobody ever wrote "We made this only in blueprints and it was never actually made." The people saying it is histroical need to provide evidence of the existence of the tank with actual certified documentation.
Yep, Wargaming has the Burden of Proof
Can you make a video also talking about the fake Italian TDs?
Yes please, i also think Italians aren't real!
Bruh only the Tier V starter TD is the real one, go look it up before you make these Untruthful comments
@@russianwarsupporterz1499 I never said that the tier V was fake lol
For what little information I have, tiers VIII and above seem to be based on OTO-Melara's participation on the MBT-70 project, as they were responsible for developing its autoloading system and, if you compare the designs in the game with that real project, they share a lot of similarities. So I'd say WG just took that and ran with it, turning it into "OTO-Melara then designed their own stuff" and stretching it into 3 different vehicles (4 or 5 if that also applies to the tier VII and the premium).
Would be possible a video about the 60TP Lewandowskiego?
I would like that since WG says polish heavy tanks were based on student proyects of a military academy but the only sources I could find are the ones made from WG
I played this tech tree line when they were first released. I had the impression that they look like and play like some of the German heavy tanks. They are all good tanks if you play them well.
they are broken, especially type 71. cant even penetrate the tank with the is7
@@neymarjr_. that's because the is7 sucks
Type 71 might have been a reference to the STB-1 or Type 74 (if using the legendary Sankai Camo) which is what I generally believe since they are very similar in design
When military history is driven over the cliff by marketing for 14 year olds.
stick to war thunder haha
Both the Ju-Nu and Ju-To suspension is based on the real Japanese design that was proposed for the Type 5 Chi-Ri project.
*''During the development of the Type 5 Chi-Ri several different experimental wheel and suspension designs where proposed. In the end it was decided to use the same suspension used on previous designs to cut down on development time. The one seen here was designed by the Technical Research Institute, known as the Chidori suspension it used eight interwoven road wheels supported by torsion bars in a similar manner to German Panther and Tiger tanks.''*
Everyone seem to forgot that World of Tanks design are mostly relied on references from real life tank design
The game has its own game lore explaining all these weird tank designs
Especially this Japanese collaboration with German Engineers
honestly, i love this line. if i look at these tanks, i think to myself: hmm, i can beliveve japan making such vehicles in an alternate history
unlike italian and polish vehicles, i think these tanks are fine. for poland, they didnt have nearly enough tanks to have a general ,,feeling" of a polish tank, which is why i dont like the idea of the polish tech tree (altho the 60tp does look nice). for italy, they had enough tanks to make something, but not a big tech tree, so wg just made up a heavy and td line to go alongsides with the half-fake medium line. but for these japanese tanks, they genuinely have that japanese ,,feeling" and i really do think, that these fake tanks are actually completely fine
I didn't expect a video on this, but it is highly appreciated. Something felt off from the moment they were first shown
Hey, companies needs something new to spark their customers' interest. I used to make scale models primarily with WW2 Japanese war machines but after a while I yearn something more than another Zero or Chi-Ha. I even dug up an old, unfinished Tiger tank model and painted it with Japanese armor camo. One of my earliest kit bash was slapping three Russian tank models together in an attempt to make the T-35 land battleship.
I rarely make any models these day but I have noticed that there is a rise of experimental or "What If" and even alternate history fantasy WW2 vehicles being released in the scale model market. Their rel life origins might be dubious but they do add some interesting diversity to your model collection.
Could you do a video on the tier 9 Soviet light tank Object 84?
Just you were mentioning "Che-Go" ,i've seen it rolling on the screen near my tank 8))))
You should do the PC World of Tanks Japanese heavy tank line.
didnt he already do that?
@@teetasse4012 If he did then i missed it.
Speaking of fake japanese tanks, Men of War, Assault Squad 2 has not only alternative takes on Ho-Ri SPGs(since the game has infantry, the versions with 37mm guns are more useful to devs then sloped ones in Warthunder), but also a Chi Ri with 88mm gun, a copy of Flak 36 IJA captured in China in 1937-1940.
This gun was produced by Japan unlike many other types of captured equipment. Remember lackluster japanese 25mm gun based on Hotchkiss? Remember how they also tried to copy Bofors 40mm in 1945 out of desperation? What if I told you that IJA captured several dozen german 3,7cm autocannons in China back in 1937 _and never told IJN, who needed such gun?_
Weird how they did this line completely differently to original WoT when the other lines seem to be fairly similar.
The Japanese heavy line in WoT starts at tier 6 with the real on paper and maybe one prototype built O-I.
The tier 7-8 O-Ni and O-Ho are almost certainly WG original developments of the O-I.
For tier 9-10 are the Type 4 Heavy and Type 5 Heavy, which are more distinct as their own design. I've seen some allegations that the turret of a prototype Type 4 was used in a fortification in Manchuria, but I'm not aware of any concrete evidence either this turret or the rest of either of these tanks existed either as prototypes or even on paper.
there are some other unique lines in Blitz, such as the Ho-Ri line, as well as a change to some tier 10s with the tier 10 if the french td line being the foch 155 but with a 2 shot autoloader instead
As far as I know, a prototype of the O-I was constructed and tested. It failed due to its inability to drive through mud and the suspension breaking under the immense weight of the vehicle. After that, the Japanese concluded that vehicles of such weight would be impractical which puts an end to the O-I project and any future heavy tank projects.
The O-Ni, O-Ho, Type 4 and Type 5 are War Gaming's interpretation of what Japan would have potentially evolved into if they decided to continue developing such vehicles.
The O-Ni and O-Ho are not actually made by WG, they are based on the O-I 100t and O-I 120t designs floating around from different books and articles; it was only found out they were incorrect interpretations of the actual O-I after the tree was added.
As for the Type 4 and Type 5, it’s highly likely that their story and sketch was made up by WG. There was no need for the Japanese to develop the O-I past the prototype, as it was a complete failure in all trials.
Here’s a good article going far more into detail about where the basis for all these tanks came from: sensha-manual.blogspot.com/2020/05/fake-japanese-super-heavies.html?m=1
I believe they did this to stay true to the fact that they’d never add the WOT PC heavies to blitz
Is WoT B enjoyable, I need a break from the pain that is WarThunder.
Easy to grind
You can get a tier 10 in about a week
yup
Jesus christ, and its fun too right, I’m not gonna get like, buttsecks by a waffenträger 50mi away right?
Oh also how much MB is it, don’t have that much since I use a laptop.
@@Poltard hell no lmao maps are smaller so spotting is a lot less complicated
It’s watered down wot pc dude
the type68 when mounting the stock turret, shows an early leopard's turret...
As a world of tanks blitz player i am honoured that you mad a video about these thanks
Wargaming makes up fake tanks: "Imagine my shock"
They're big and cool and I love them
I decided to watch this despite the amazon sponsorship. You should be honored.
Is the Designation Ju right i think you said in another video that the designations Chi and Ho means Medium tank and SPG. So is the Ju designation right for a Heavy tank?
No
Wow thanks for showcasing this game, I genuinely didn't expect that.
Perhaps you could showcase the Japanese Tank Destroyers next?
Pretty sure he already did the Ho-Ri
@@shouhanyun8203 the Wotb Ho Ri
@@hexagonstudios5601 it would just be the same thing though
Do the Yoh series tanks next of the United States tech tree.
War gaming be like “yeah they talked about a tank with 2 guns as a joke so we added it”
I kinda like the fake tanks. Typically WG does a pretty fair job with their “what if” tanks. Most are how I imagine they’d look if they tried that.
Someone on discord once told me that the number "71" on Type-71 means the year where the tank being developed, 1971
The Japanese did use a similiar system, however they used a different calendar system. I can't remember well but in the 1940s it was the 2000s in the Japanese reckoning.
@@tinylegofiend8605 1940s was 2600 numbering. Type 97 for the Chi-Ha means "Type 2597"-1937.
That is the case for all post-war tanks accepted by the JGSDF.
Type 61 is in service in 1961, Type 74 in 1974, Type 90 in 1990, Type 10 in 2010, Type 16 in 2016 etc...
"My source is that I made it the fuck up!"
-WarGaming, probably
There are a number of tanks that could fit this series in blitz including the Minataro Italian tank destroyer line hitting wot blitz in a few days or so
The Yoh line too
@@moisesezequielgutierrezthe Yoh line did actually exist but only in concept and drawinfs
Was it just me or did anybody else noticed how much the Chi-Se's hull looks like the ones from AMX 50 line? 5:22
-Yes I am a French main in WoTB , WoT and also War Thunder, how did you know?
Ah, a man of culture
I'd love to see this sort of thing again but maybe with a different line (Such as the new italian TD's or the British AT series)
WG: should we add a line of fictional Japanese heavies, or a Hungarian tank line filled with only real tanks/projects?
WG: Fck realism, fake tanks it is!
Me who's been playing WoTb for 2 years and I hear a reference anywhere:
hey ConeofArc, you have a world of tanks blitz account and play world of tanks blitz?
video for Ho Ri tank destroyer line is another good idea
The O-I tank existed and was built and tested and should be added to war thunder as part of the tech tree.
Speaking of fictional heavy tanks from blitz, day 1 of asking for a vid on the yoh tanks
There's also the Italian tank destroyer but I got suspicious when I reach tier 6-10
This means we definitely need a Finnish tank line. Screw reality.
The JU NU would probably been done if the Japanese was able to get a few tigers to japan for research
Generally large rounded designs (ie Cold war Russian Turrets) are cast pieces, whereas more angular designs are welded from smaller pieces. I don't know if Japan even could make designs like the last three with the factories they had in that time period. The smooth lines of the earlier proposed designs may run into the same issue, or just be a result of the way the images are rendered.
Great video! I am currently grinding for the Tier VIII Chi-Se on the Japanese Heavy line
As an old time WoT player, who started in 2010(in December, still counts) I have to say... wtf?! What is this and where does it come from? And maybe I haven't played WoT for some time, but I'm pretty sure it isn't in the game.
Mobile platform World of Tanks Blitz.
Finally you talked about this!
4:08 Wait why does the chassis of the JU-TO look like that of the chassis of the American T-14?
I'm happy to see that world of tanks blitz is getting some love on the channel
finally my favorite shitty little game is getting noticed lol
He used the Old World of Tanks Theme
So much nostalgia
I am STILL FURIOUS at Wargaming for not adding the Japanese super heavy tanks to Blitz! 😡 😡 😡
pls do more wotb fake tanks
there are soo many in the game
I really want those Jap heavy tanks in WoT, I want to see what more reasonable designs would have been like for japan.
I have already been playing WotB since the begining
I’m glad you covered this topic, cause I play this game quite a lot and was really skeptical as if these tanks were real or not
As A Wotblitz Player. I Tried All Of them I Enjoyed it tho but The Most Played for me In New Japanese Heavy tank Is The Chi-se There Is a Reason Why I Enjoyed The Chi-se Because They Have A New Equipment is the Improvement Suspension And Improved Gun Vertical Stabilizer But It's only One Used it The Equipment In the Battle. Also The Front Hull Of the Chi-se Is 203mm of armor The Relative Armor is 330mm And It's Turret front armor is 268mm. But It has Some Weak Spots in the Front it's Lower Plate Unless You Hide it But Armor Penetration is Fine AP pen is 215 and the Premium AP is 265 which Is Ok But In the Battle the New Equipment i Prefer Used The Improved Suspension Because of that tank its Slow so I Will Able To Flank Easy That's Why I Played The Chi-se so Much
I found the heavy line to be a mixed bag. I hated the tier 5 and 7. Actually had fun with the 6, 8 and 9. I haven't played the tier 10 since tier 10 tanks aren't cheap and I bought other tier 10's already researched instead.
You should do the Japanese 100 ton Heavy Tank the O-i Experimental there's a original artist depiction of the tank and maybe blueprints.
if you plan to look at wot's new chinese heavies - you dont have to. those rocket nitro boosted autoloaders are 100% realistic
I didn't know that you have a moral deficit needed to accept an Amazon sponsorship.
The bz line is based on the leopard line
What about the OG japanese heavy tanks from the PC version?
I would think it would be interesting to look at the so called 'Object 84', also made by WG. I can barely see any resemblance to real life projects, other than the familiar 100mm and sloped hull, as well as the same flatness of the Object 975, also known in the WoT community as the 'T100 LT'. The vehicle was apparently created by WG to use as a T9 substitute for WoTB's soviet light tank line, since the Soviet MT line had an already preexisting T7 light tank called the 'LTTB'(which meant the planned T7 called the 'LTG' shared the same T7 space as the 'LTTB'. Well, WG didn't want to move the LTTB up to T8, so they added the so called 'Object 84'. According to unreliable online WoTB sources, the tank, known as the 'T-84' or 'Valsilyev's Tank', was a version of the T-54. Very interesting how people or WG come up with things like that.
Not only with the Obj. 84, the same happened with the american lt line, with the T92E1
Perhaps do a review on the Type 5 line on WOT?
now I hope these tanks and Japanese TD make their way to Wot pc
And to think that a decade ago, this game made changes to the upper front plate of the Tiger II, nerfing it as a heavy, for "reasons of historical accuracy."
hold it! (Love that refference i made here) The Type 71 seems like a prototype of the actual existing type 74 tank they look almost exactly the same
A major youtube channel referencing world of tanks BLITZ? Well I'll be
"Tanks don't have to be real to be fun to play"
If they're real they're not fun anymore
Man, I love that WoT background music, too bad I've stopped playing because it's a terrible p2w game
Make a video about WoT Italian TDs. I'm 100% sure that those designs are completely made up
i quit wotb and switched to war thunder a year ago and i have never felt happier already have 1200+ kills with the IS2(1944) and now have purchased and crewed the IS3 but 6.3 is still the main BR i play in WT since i have a great line up consisting of the IS2(1944),T34-85,IS2(1943),2S3M and yak 3, still dont have a line up for 7.0 however.
I hate fighting against the type 71, any other teir is fine,. It the type is anying
i mean I understand why people would complain about Wargaming and them making fake tanks, but at least they actually do make the tanks look like something their respective country would make, although they're fake they look realistic enough
yes exactly
The O-I was a real heavy tank, but not in war thunder or WOTB. It's not fun in wot, can't use mini turrets. Would be OP as fuck in war thunder. Mini turrets to destroy tracks and barrel, main gun to finish enemy.
Really, if Japan made anything tank related with German tech, they’d have been best off with a copy of the Panzerfaust.
Wargaming pumping fakes, so I would need two more lives to watch all videos that Cone producing. Good thing that videos are great but WOT is atill bad game.
I remember people complaining about paper tanks...air tanks are pushing the wg products into sci-fi category
Would like to see a video on the Italian tank destroyers like the minotauro etc
If need realitic game, play war thunder, but it`s not sure that is 100% realistic, if u need play a arcade tanks game, play wargamming products
Ju-nu is Japanese Tiger by WG hence its overall asthetic
Ju-To is King Tiger
To put it short; Don't take your history lessons from video games, or any media who's focus leans more towards entertainment over education.
Well, my guess is its a compressed-air bamboo potato 🥔 launcher. But I could be wrong….
The Ju-To turret looks like the Class 3 (P) Turret
i still remember 8. something and boy tell you what i hated japan all it was is just medium tanks and tank destroyers no heavy's what so ever when 9.0 or was it 9.2 any way when they where added i loved japan though there medium tanks sucks
WoTB is also on the Nintendo Switch, my son plays blitz with me, he plays on our switch, I play on my laptop, or sometimes my phone.
NGL I despise of the Japanese heavy tanks and personally I think they're too overpowered especially the tier 6 the tier 5 version is garbage but once you make it past tier 6 you may as well expect to deflect almost every shell that comes at you
I think a tank needs to actually exist to be ingame. I will accept some unbuilt tanks but they need atleast one finished hull with a turret which could fit it.
Could you say about the T25/2 and the T25 At series of american tank destroyers?
CONE OF ARC can you do a video about PANZER 4 AUSF S. I have this tank as a model and i am interested if this tank is fiction or real. It i very different from other PANZER 4 It has very long barreled gun and a panther style turret
but it has same hull as other panzer 4
Any chance of doing a video on the core game's Japanese Heavy Tank line (Type 91 to Type 5)?