(S4 Ep12) Old Town Autopilot 136 & 120 ***Before you buy, WATCH THIS!***
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- With over seven months of testing the Autopilots from Old Town on the Upper Texas Gulf Coast. I've come to the conclusion that only one of the Autopilots is right for me. Watch along as I compare both kayaks and give my dislikes on these hi-tech fishing platforms.
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My oldtown 136 can get 4.3mph. After I have been used this for a while, I still recommend 136 as the weight is almost the same as 120, but has much larger space and much stable.
Glad to hear that as I decided to go with the 136 as I plan to do some fly fishing out of it and like the extra clear area
Thanks for the review. Informative and a good comparison. I have owned the 136 for 5 months, and I want to offer my thoughts on the propeller. I agree with you that the speed could be greatly increased with a better prop. I've already proven to myself that it can be. I created, and 3D printed a prop that is very similar to the stock prop. Only "cone" shaped base and no negative pitch. What I discovered is that the speed went up 0.3 MPH. Again these were minimal changes to the stock prop and my prop was printed with PLA plastic and the blades flexed. So I believe I could greatly increase my prop speed by thickening the blades, and printing with stiffer plastic among other things. The big draw back I found was the prop created turbulence that interfered with my transducer. I think this is probably what Old Town meant by saying that the hull design won't allow for a faster prop. Because of their transducer mount location... I'm trying to decide now if I want to move my transducer to the back and change props...
Great find! Thanks for bringing this to light.
I put a 55# and 30# minn kota on my 120 pdl with stock and 3 blades props. Surprisingly i got the same top speeds on both motors and both props. Top amp draw on 30# was 24 and for the 55# 45 amps burt top speeds were the same. Conclusion. It’s hull design.
Unfortunately stainless means just that, Stains Less. Hit your screws and what not with Fluid Film. Non Toxic and Non Hazardous. Great review.
As the models increase in price, things like a way to lock the rudder down should be part of the basic package, especially when it's on the lesser-priced models.
I'm definitely having a hard time deciding if I should build one or buy an autopilot. For that much money it shouldn't have a lot of those issues. I would buy one with a 24v 80lb thrust motor.
A small tip for screws you would like to prevent them backing out. You can use some clear fingernail polish on the screw threads. It will give you a light amount of resistance and it is water proof so it won't dissolve. But with a tool you will be able to break the polish if you need to remove the screw.
I want a kayak 😖 work today damn hard to still not have one ... #onlybankfishing. I enjoy the videos tho keep them going idk how to explain it but watching your kayak videos keep me enjoying the thought of when I get one.
imo if you’re investing into a top of the line fishing kayak and certainly one that’s motorized and will most likely have a graph on it weight shouldn’t be a concern. It shouldn’t be going on a roof rack or really even the back of a truck. You should be factoring in money for a trailer. Fb market place and get a jet ski/seadoo trailer and fit it to your kayak. Easier launching and no concern or dragging it on the ground and scratching the hull.
Someone commented, bad review for an awesome product???? I'm thinking Someone from old Town!!! Thank you for a real life honest review of the kayak's
I'm patient enough to see if old Town reworks there quirks!! If not, I'll hold on to my 4grand!!!
Gotta love them chicharas 😂
Must be in Texas! 🤣
Ahh yes Cicadas
You are an “asset” for whatever company you work with, the work, the time, the organization the process that you did to learn understand and show us how...it’s been flawless.
But I new it is the 120 😂
YOU ARE THE BEST ♥️🎣
Thanks for the kind words Rico!
I suspected you'd favor the 120 [mainly because of weight.] I am impressed with both platforms. I retired from the militryy 35 1/2 years ago and at the time was using a Lam-Pro 10' Kayak (out of San Angelo, Tx) It weighed only 40#, but was not near the platform that the Old Towns are. Back then, Texas didn't require it to be registered, so it was very inexpensive to use [just basic safety gear and away you go. Glad you opted for the lighter weight [ya ain't gettin' any younger, pal] Semper Fi, Tight Lines and be well, my Brother!
Very interesting. 👍
Hey Mark,,,, you probably won't see this but after watching you for so long I feel like we're pals. I was able to change my OldTown order and I'm picking my AutoPilot 120 tomorrow. I'm thrilled as I was not going to receive the 106 Sportsman PMK until Feb. I had major issues with my original distributor. All better now. OldTown/Johnson is absolutely fantastic to deal with. So happy to hear you favor the 120 overall, especially since it was because of weight... I'm 73 anything that makes it easier is good for me. Thanks Mark.
Congratulations 🍾 on the new kayak!
Hey Steve. Im 78 and just ordered
Hey Steve. Im 78 and just ordered the 120 because of Mark's review. Tight lines.
I think the hopeful fixes are very valid points, great review. I would like to see a video on how you approach the landing, how easy is it to lift the propeller to get it out of the way? Do you have to stand up to do that in the case you approach a rock you didn’t see suddenly. Would it break the drive? I
Many of my concerns are with the durability of the motor
Great comparison video Mark. There is another major difference between the two that I didn’t hear you mention, Max capacity! The 120 is 558 where the 136 is 660. That’s a big difference for heavier fisherman, or those that may want to bring a child with them.
Thanks 🙏
Thanks for a great review. I ordered the 136, but after your review, i will change to the 120.
My Minn Kota 106 throttle control, not spot lock, is faster offshore and is safer due to being able to turn out of the trough, and square up. The 120 bobs less, but is much more clumsy. Gread vid. My bud gets his up to around 12 safely with an out board.
Dang! I can’t imagine going 12.
Yep,, I'm thinking to move the seat support strap on that right side. I think I have room to move the strap to the front cross rod and the back curved support of the back rod frame. That's what i'm thinking. Maybe I can get away with moving only one attach point.
When spending 8k plus on kayaks... but don’t wash after every trip.... more money then brains, take care of your equipment and it will take care of you the cup holders is an easy fix water hose and a towel don’t be nasty bro. Pro tip if you cleaned your yak the cup holder wouldn’t look that way js Lol
Navarre sells a bolt to apply tension to the rudder
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I had a stroke a month ago and I have a bonafide ss127. I just don’t have it in me to paddle around the lake any more. Hopefully the old town will be in the budget next year. Thanks for the honest review. Stay safe
Take care of yourself.
Just bought a 120, and it weighs a ton. Hopefully I can load and unload safely by myself.
Man I live in the Houston area and have some good spots down at the shore id love to go i just don't have a yak atm
Maybe on the Rudder part swinging from side to side , the foot controls could somehow be locked or held in place so the Rudder won't turn from either Right to Left. Just a thought for Old Town and or for you Mark . As For the Speed part , a little faster might be Nice , but I'd say for Old Towns First Go around with this sweet setup they did a pretty darn good 👍 Job . Agree with the Cup holder Water/draining issue , Totally agree with you. I've also heard that for lots of Salt water use , the Kill Switch that also retains the Spare Shear Prop Pin gets super Rusty because the salt Water gets in Where the Kill Switch goes, But this is from another video Called Navarjo Kayaking. I myself Do Not fish in Salt Water . Other then these Minor Issues , Old Town Nailed It and Hit a Bomb Home Run for sure 😎👍. Great insight and Info and Review on Before you Buy this Model Old Town . Thank You Mark For your Video Mark .
I hit 7mph with an ozark cooler full of ice and also fishing gear when going with the tide in the jetties in the 120ap i weight 160
I would like to see a pedal assist similar to electric bikes that have both a battery and pedal capability. Hopefully, that’s coming soon.
The 120 was a great choice. Is still an awesome kayak and is gonna be easier for your back
For sure
I wonder why they didn't put a bigger motor on the 136? That way we could achieve around 4.5 mph. Do they have an upgrade motor option for the 136? But since this is 3 years ago, perhaps that hull has been tweaked like you say. Did they fix the rudder so that it can be locked now? (tension knob, etc.) and locking ring for the rudder cable loosening problem? Great job, subscribed!
Thanks Mark.. appreciate the overview of both of these. I'm pretty well stuck with the 106 powerd by Minkota just simply because of my strength limits (I'm 73) and location for storage. I can't leave the Kayak out and I've got limited space.
I’m impressed by your love of the sport. And I couldn’t agree more with your decision for choosing the 106MK. Stay safe out there and Tight Lines good friend!
I was trying to decide whether or not to purchase the pilot vs the PDL drive and this video has the answer thanks for the info
I hope you enjoy whatever you decide to go with 👍.
Really liked the review on these. I’m sure OT is listening and I hope they make the upgrades to the two models you’ve pointed out. One thing I noticed is the power pole anchor pin goes down the hole in the back. If the anchor pin gets stuck in the mud you cannot easily pull it lose. A better design than the hole is to remold it to be u-shaped or do away totally with the anchor pin going through a hole and position the mounting screws so the power pole motor extends slightly past the back of the kayak. This would allow the anchor pin to be easily freed if it were to get stuck in the mud.
It’s a common misconception that the pole goes through that hole. In actuality it doesn’t. The PP motor extends beyond that area.
Better Torqueedo motor is better because it is brushless. With lithium on a brushless motor, you can go further and longer. Downside is proprietary voltage.
Be careful out there Mark hurricane is cat 4! Take care of yourselves
Great review.
The "Torquedo" is not a fair comparison, it is a 70lb thrust motor compared to the 45lb thrust of the minn kota. Also spending $2700 on a motor is out of the question for most kayak anglers.
I am not an engineer, but increased thrust will increase speed to a point (diminishing returns) the question is how much faster do you need to go in a kayak without compromising stability of the platform? Your buddy who has the torquedo, is his boat as stable as the old town?
I wish you had experience with the hobie pro angler 12T, as that is my other choice (no registration requirements).
Thank you, Thank you! You helped me make a decision on the 120. Great Review
Glad the video was helpful.
That’s some BS that it won’t go faster because of the hull design. Mount a 6hp outboard on the back and that thing will be a rocket.
Marky Mark's trusted reviews. Thanks, Man!
I like all the reviews I seen on both of these. I want the 136 is gonna be my upgrade kayak as soon as I can afford it. Because im gonna use it like a bass boat an use it on all the big lakes i go to
It's a great boat but man is it SLOW.
@@MDLRFishing it needs a 65 pound trolling motor on it.
When i get mine im gonna put that on it an maybe bigger
kudos bro. thanks
No problem 👍
Hey Mark, thanks for the comparison I've been struggling which one to buy. Curious, if you could put some low grade Loctite on the rudder screws to stop them from backing off? And for the seat issue how much higher do you think the seat would need to be not to feel the battery case? Do you think by adding equal bushings to the upper and lower mounts this could be an effective fix?
If you spot lock on a location and you need to fish all off of the transom of the kayak will will the seat reverse
No swivel seat option and or ability to turn it around.
I figured they went a lot faster . About the same speed as I get out of my lure 11.5 with watersnake t24 .
Nice comparison vid. Thorough, complete and succient.
Thanks Mark 🙏
Apologize if this has been suggested already, but couldn't you take some velcro straps and a stiff rod/board and strap it across the rudder pedals to keep it straight?
Might work
Mark lookin like a baller with 2 auto pilots parked in front of the house.. good review
😂
Thanks Mark. Tight lines Buddy!
Thank you for uploading this video, I think it’s worth watching
Thanks 🙏
Great job Mark!! Your videos on the 120 is the reason I purchased mine!!!! Can’t wait for it to be here next week!!!
Congrats again buddy!
Hobbies has same issues with hardware I rinse my 2020 every trip still rusted hardware including drive that worries me far as hull for old town its double edged sword you build for speed and loose stability far as weight if your upgrading yaks most the time your picking up weight love oldtowns platform the price is all that's stopped my purchase once yak bought at least couple grand more with good batteries and rigging with that said if it was my job would be my first buy great review
Thanks Tim!
Love the channel Mark, I subscribed when you just hit the 33k mark...I love your job, thanks for all your tips and knowledge. I didn't think I'd be looking into getting a kayka a month ago but you got me hooked. My only request is that when you post your fishing trips could you add the location and launch area in the description please, I'm new to the area but love fishing. Thanks again.
Thanks for the support 🙏
really enjoyed the review .... learned alot about both models. Don't want to nitpick but i would like to hear what model you would choose just based on how they both performed on the water. Take the weight out of the picture if you will. If both models were already in the water and ready to go and you had your pick of the one you would take out fishing witch one would you choose.
Hands down the 136, tons of deck space.
metal tracks for trolling or at least option for drop in replacement of the plastic one s
That’s a really honest review,
I’m glad I see the video,
thank you very much. No old town for me.
I better keep my BKC , thanks
Great video they cost $8990 in Australia😁
Best Old Town autopilot 120-136 pro/con review on the internet! Much appreciated.
Thanks 🙏
Another SUPERB review, Mark! Great comparison for an Old Town Kayak New guy on the block! You have become my go-to guy who really shines when it comes to reviews! Thank you so very much!
Mark, why not buy a trailer? You should see mine. Rarely do you do much heavy lifting. And you’re right, the 136 is heavy. Great comparison but I was surprised you chose the 120 over the 136.
IMO it’s too much of a hassle.
Thanks for an insightful and thoughtful review.
Good info as usual Mark! Stay safe!
Thanks good buddy!
Great Video iam think to buy the 120 Too tanks bro and god bless u and ur family
Really informative and helpful video.
Anyone in here haul their kayak on the side? I have an extended 1 ton 3500 Chevy express that I want to haul my kayak inside , while laying on it's side. I have 11' to the cage , but I have another 2' + slipping it through the cage door , and I think up to a 13' kayak will fit. The old town kayak is what I'm looking at. Fishing fresh water and salt water.
Regarding the screws in the cable at the rudder, what about using a locktite type adhesive to prevent the backout?
Might put too much tension on the rudder cable and it’ll eventually snap.
A stronger trolling motor would make it faster.
Stay safe mark with the storm tonight man.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T! I apologize but I just came across this old video and couldn't believe me ears. Because I fish for a living and "...I don't have time to clean my kayak..." That's like saying, "Excuse me sir but I don't have time to clean my weapon." You gotta be kidding me!
What battery do you use or recommend? Looking at a Lithium battery for weight savings
I use FPV Power
106 is better .all I need is to get to pint a,b,c,and go back to the dock .when I get to my sports I turn the motor off use the paddles ,use anchor .
As long as it works for you that's all that matters.
you should just spray in the cup holders everytime that water grossss
Hi Mark, great review. What is more stable in the water, the 120 or 136? Thanks
The 136 had a slight edge but not by much.
I am a disabled vet and can not afford one, but they are very nice and very well thought out and perfect for getting into tight aeras.
Thank you for your service.
Mark, great review of both platforms. I'm also retired military. I have an old Old Town Predator (2015) and want to get the Old Town 136 but no one has them. I looked on the Old Town web site and there aren't any available. There wasn't any info on how to get on a wait list either. Would you sell your 136?
Great comparison video!! What thrust power are those electric motors ? What exact battery are using and how much range can you get? Thx mate
They’re both 45 lb thrust. I use two FPV 50 ah batteries.
I can easily go 12 miles.
Great review, I have my conclusion. Thank you sir!
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Helpful video, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
The screws are most likely rusting because someone used a carbon tipped screwdriver on them.
🤔 not sure
Considering buying a couple autopilot 120s I've already asked you a couple questions was just wondering if you know if I wait till next year and buy next year's model have you heard anything that they're changing something
Like your review, the 136 is only 6# more so weight ????
Hard to move around and fairly difficult to transport on my truck rack.
How did your friend mount the torqueedo on the autopilot.
Do you think this kayak would be fine for offshore fishing and how does this compare to the 2020 predator pdl
Brochacho likes it very good video thanks Mark!
Where did you get the little red marker flags on the back of both?
speed isn't everything. The torqedo can't take the place of an anchor. That motor is groundbreaking.
You don’t need a rudder in water that you are using a push pole in.
You do when the winds blowing but hey some of us are stronger than others. I need to hit the gym 💪.
The tri hull design must not be as good as a canoe hull type hull.tri is more stable of course.
Could you rig a lock on the foot controls to prevent the rudder from moving?
I’ve racked my brains for hours trying to figure something out.
These are designed to be more stable i wish they'd make a speed version
Do you think it’s idea to get the 136 for top mounting I just like the 136 more for more deck room
It can be done 🤙
Does the hummingbird link to the trolling motor?
when u getting the solo skiff ,u needa slap a mincota on it
I’d never buy one.
What kind of battery should I get for the 120?
Thank you for helping 👍👍
A 100ah battery will be perfect. I recommend lithium because it’s very light.
Torquato? You mentioned it. Was it on an Old Town kiyak? Sorry, I didn't catch that video that you referenced.
It was on another kayak that was bigger and carrying much more gear than mine.
Hey Mark, I think I read the 136 is 158#. How heavy is the 120? I didn’t find the specs on it. Should be a fantastic fresh water boat. Although some tournaments won’t allow motors.
I’m unsure. I want to say 120 or 130 but don’t quote me on it.
Thanks for the reply. I used a Native Watercraft and carried it up a soft beach. It was over 100# rigged. So this isnt much more. Still way heavy. The price you pay for a big block vs a small block.
What I learned :
Bigger is better.
1 inch can make all the difference in the world. 😜
I have a question about the seat
Mark…. So if you had a trailer for easy offload what would you choose. I’m driving 3 1/2 this weekend to get me one and I have found a shop that has both. So over all of the offload was no issue what would you prefer?
I’d get the 136 if I had a trailer.
@@MDLRFishing thank for the info & all your work. I got my 136 today, drove 7hr all the way to Temple bc I couldn’t find them anywhere near where I live , Danbury. Rigging it up now with all the goodie’s I bought. Thanks and see you in the water.
Do you need the rudder to stay straight while running the autopilot?
Most definitely, it keeps the rear from going squirrelly.
@@MDLRFishing Thank you for info
Marc do you maybe know if a Hobie live well fits in the back of the Auto Pilot 120
Not sure 🤔
@@MDLRFishing please, could you make a measurement for me, the distance between the two cupper holes from the the centre of the hoes ! I can't do it by myself, i'm living in the Caribbean, no autopilots around.
How's it do going shallow or getting in the weeds?