Sam Raimi's Spider-Man Is The Strongest Spider
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Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker is the strongest Spider-Man of them all... and here's why! I finally break down the incredible Green Goblin fight at the end of the first movie, and why Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland wouldn't ultimately stand a chance. Who do you think would win?
Either way, looking ahead to Spider-Man No Way Home - I just hope the action can compare to the fluidity and pace of the original trilogy...
Spider-Man 1-3. Directed by Sam Raimi. Starring Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, Willem Dafoe, Alfred Molina, Topher Grace, Thomas Haden Church.
The Amazing Spider-Man directed by Marc Webb. Starring Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone, Jamie Foxx, Dane DeHaan, Felicity Jones.
CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:47 - Tobey is the strongest
3:08 - The Thanos Question
4:17 - Green Goblin vs Spider-Man
5:16 - Today's Sponsor
6:09 - Spider-Pain
7:31 - A Certain Point of View
10:09 - DAFOE
11:15 - Defying Gravity
12:09 - The Rocky Principle
16:45 - Tugboat's greatest strength
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Peter would definitely beat Peter and Peter. No question.
I don’t know, I think Peter would beat both Peter and Peter
@@PikaPikaLOL That’s a hot take. You must be a biased Peter fanboy.
NO!!😡 PETER IS OBVIOUSLY STRONGER THAN PETER AND PETER.
@@batmanfanboy2212 ARE YOU KIDDING?!?! AFTER PETER DID THAT ONE STRONG THING IN THAT ONE MOVIE?!?!? PETER AND PETER WOULDN’T STAND A CHANCE!!!
@@BurningBushProductions YOURE OBVIOUSLY A PETER FANBOY, GROW UP
What's really cool about the fight is that it also shows, Peter doesn't know how too fight. He's still new at this and basically still a kid fresh out of school, He's never gotten into a fist fight with someone, so Goblin trashed him.
Yup and we all saw how confused he was when he fought Flash at school. He was clueless lol.
Come to think of what you said bout punching I find it strange how some people want Tom's spidey to be a pro boxer despite being in high school
@@cja5612 it doesn't make sense. Peters a highschool kid whos never even been in a fight.
Uh, he literally fought dozens of criminals throughout the movie, did you not pay attention?
@@ShadowMan64572 If you’re talking about the first movie, He can obviously withstand a normal human with no problem.
@@ShadowMan64572 he webs them up, but that’s a bit harder to do with the main villains, when it’s hand to hand combat, Peter is going to get thrashed
No Way Home proves that Tobey is the strongest Spiderman. Green Goblin ate Tom's punches. Tobey beat Green Goblin into submission that he begged Tobey to stop. Tom couldn't even overpower Tobey when trying to kill Goblin with the glider. Tobey also beat Andrew when they had a web shooter stand off. Tobey is the goat.
True meaning of with great power comes great responsibility
Well he’s also a grown ass adult and has like 20-25 years experience being Spider-Man so it makes sense. Not to mention the added benefit of making his own webbing in his body.
Idk man William seemed to be pretty beat up and on the floor after the beat down in far from home. Not as bad as spiderman 1 sure but he still beat him down
@@TandJgaming tobey’s Spider-Man didn’t have 20-25 years of experience in the 2002 movie where he beat goblin to submission 🤨
@@tsmith8082 yeah i know, im just saying these are also factors if were comparing them in NWH
I think the average person just has no clue how strong Spidey actually is. Dude could catch a bus at speed, or survive a building falling on him. He has to pull his punches by 90% so he doesn’t murder everyone he hits.
Spidey is way more powerful than most people have an idea of… they just think of him as sticky and swingy and kinda strong.
Big fax
Exactly. The Death Battle between him and Batman should've been Bats getting knocked out by a single punch and then killed. If he actually intended to kill people he would, and easily.
Didn't Doc Ock accidentally kill someone when he had taken over Spidey's body?
@@viktorthevictor6240 Yeah, it was in the Superior Spider Man comic, (I think it’s called that, it’s been a while since it was released) basically Doc sock accidentally knocked his head clean off, because he didn’t understand how powerful he really was possessing his body.
@@subwaytails8732 the thing is, doc ock wasn’t trying to kill either. He was just trying to throw a regular punch lmao. Spider-Man throwing a full power punch would be crazy.
@@subwaytails8732 it was actually The Lizard. He broke his jaw clean with a single punch. And! I recommend you watch The Imaginary Axis video about Spider-Mans power level. Really good stuff
Daredevil does this really well too. Matt Murdock gets the absolute crap beat out of him every episode or every other episode to point he should probably be hospitalized.
"That's just Catholicism."
true
It honestly can get a little distracting seeing how much he goes through with only minimal aid.
which is why i fucken love that show so much
The punisher sort of aswell
This video is a glorified "Peter Parker getting the living shit beaten out of him" montage and I'm all for it
im enzo 2
Then you will also enjoy this video of MCU Peter going through the same thing (so far) th-cam.com/video/RZH1TDOh-MA/w-d-xo.html
I love it
@@SpiderManMCUniverse it’s funny how the guy who made this video completely ignored that any of that happened to male his point.
Comicbook films need battle damaged hero's / villains. To see the damage inflected on them based on their power set.
Him saying that Peter’s suit being ripped apart is almost as iconic as his regular suit reminded me of wanting a beaten up Spider-Man action figure as a kid sooo bad cuz I thought that was when Spider-Man got stronger.
Technically, I'd imagine that Spiderman's adrenal glands would probably make a more potent version of adrenaline
Honestly, that is some anime logic that when he's been torn up that he's stronger. Love it
@@mrsialeipata8615 well... adrenaline does exist so...
DBZ logic in a nutshell.
Goku: *Rips his shirt off*
Me:”Oh shit, he’s getting serious now!”
@@donovanlarsen7982 the broly movie when he goes blue
I'm watching this after having seen No Way Home. Honestly the writers must have seen this video, because they've taken nearly everything you've talked about and added it into several of the fight scenes.
It kind of felt like the writers really listened to popular criticisms of the first two films, went back and watched the Sam Raimi and Marc Web films, and really took in what made those films different and why the popular criticisms existed.
I always liked the first two MCU Spider-mans, but I also always kind of agreed with the sentiment that "They don't really feel like Spider-man movies". But NWH, especially the ending, really felt like a Spider-man movie finally.
@@SeeMyDolphin nah they just stole miles' character from the comics and made that into mcu Peter. Luckily that gave way for spiderverse to have more freedom with Miles' character.
@@Emi-xg7pk Sure, in the first two films Peter is a Miles clone. How does that apply to No Way Home though?
@@Emi-xg7pk it rlly does feel that way.
@@SeeMyDolphin but in homecoming, it felt like spider man film when he lifted the rubble from the building
I feel like this really falls down to High Speed Train hitting Holland vs The Granade to Maguire's face, both would literally obliterate normal people.
That’s more durability
If we really want to compar strength
I’d say we have to look at tobeys train stop and wall lift
While we look at Tom moving the planes wing and he’s short moment where he held the ferry together for a few seconds
In the extended cut of Sam Rami's spiderman 2 spiderman does also get hit by a train and comes back almost instantly swinging.
@@malupria7520 bullet trains are a lot faster than the subway train that hit Tobey
@@malupria7520 Exactly. Tobey's Spiderman is stronger and more durable.
@@sidecharacter3193 either way its still a train plus bullet trains have less of a square front meaning that Tobey had a lot more overall damage and tom would've had about 75% of his body hit.
Tobey's spider bite gave him muscles, perfect vision and organic webbing. I always felt like he had the complete package while Andrew and Tom were incomplete.
They weren't given webs in comic in fact tobey has a web shooter in 2 scenes I nthe movie but they dropped the idea and left the scenes in due to time cuts
@@depressedasfook2893 yea I know but I grew up watching Tobey and I think having Peter to not rely on webshooters has always been cooler
@@marcusduck
I like it just because the "oh snap out of webbing" got reaalllly old in one of the old Spider-Man TV shows.
@@SeanLaMontagne That’s how it’s always been in the comics. The web-shooters are comic accurate.
@@asimerwin7834 Web shooters are comically shit
I always felt the raimi movies were the best because Peter Parker felt so relatable and well written. He wasn't just some bland cookie cutter superhero. Peter Parker felt genuine. Felt like maguire nailed that harder than Garfield and Holland. Am I blinded by nostalgia or did the; you'll get your rent when you fix this damn door memes sway me.
I think you may be blinded by nostalgia... I recently rewatched the raimi trilogy and my god it was horrible 😅 imo the only good things were some of the fight scenes, the memes, and Harry. I suggest you rewatch it as well and reconsider you opinion. If you still like it thats all the better, but it might just be different than when you first watched it (if you were a kid)
freezing cold take
Maybe I'm biased too but I recently rewatched the first trilogy and then went into the amazing saga. I still feel like tobey is the best Peter of them all. Maybe not so much the actor but the way Sam Raimi portraits Peter. The amazing saga doesn't feel as emotional nor as personal.
@@danielcarr1479 I’ve recently rewatched and still think it’s better than the amazing trilogy
@@danielcarr1479 nostalgia is an excuse used by people with nothing better to say.
Raimis peter/Spider-Man is not only more true to Stan lees vision of Spider-Man and peter Parker but he’s also the most relatable to most people. I think you have recency bias ;)
Spider-Man 3 gets a ton of flak, and so I totally forgot that the Tobey Parker actually forgives Sandman until you showed that montage. And it was in that moment that I realized that what made Tobey the greatest superhero wasn't the webslinging or the ability to take hits. His greatest superpower all along was his ability to see the person when everyone else was determined to see the monster and his ability to forgive the person.
I think there's something to be said too that these movies came out in the wake of 9/11, the subsequent invasion of Iraq, and the beginning of the Recession. Those movies really did inspire the best in us to see the best in others in the worst of times. I'm really glad these were the films of my grade school years.
This right here I felt in my soul.
After endgame I wasn’t sure if anything in cinema was ever going to reach the same level of hype for me but No Way Home is honestly dwarfing the hype I felt for endgame, I can’t really put it into words but Spider Man means more to me than any other fictional character ever will
It would help if the other stuff learned from this, really who cares about the eternals
@@owyemen9367 eternal is why thanos exist
More than Batman?
@@muffinsdawg I’m a huge Batman fan as well and I don’t want to argue with anyone about which character is better, Spider-Man simply means more to me personally :)
@@annedrieck7316 nobody cares
I think the closest Marvel has come to this is with some of the Captain America fights. That dude always takes a beating and simply stands back up. Cap has his best narrative moments when just duking it out with someone as strong or a little stronger than him.
Yes hes defo the closest we've come
I can do this all day.
Totally. Another I’d say would be Daredevil. Dude is almost always on the verge of death, to which he responds by getting back up the next night and going the rounds again. And he’s just a really gifted BLIND martial artist with heightened senses, but blind nonetheless, and otherwise really just a normal human as far as his physical capabilities allow him to go. And while on the subject of regular people who are tough as it gets in the Marvel Universe I’d say the Punisher is hard as a coffin nail too, but honestly I just feel Daredevil has some of the most heart in all of the Marvel Universe.
I feel like on ocassion Tom's Spidey comes close though. The beatings are never as bare-knuckle or personal as Tobey's Spider-Man, but he is basically wasted and has to dig deep to be able to pull through.
When he gets trapped unded the rubble that the Vulture threw him under and he calls for help before realizing he has to be the one to save himself, that was quite gut-wrenching. After the plane crash he looks sore and extremely bloodied and yet he still finds the will to try and save Toomes life. And finally, in the Mysterio fight, there are several moments when he gets bumped around, lit on fire and in general throughout the entire fight he barely has a moment to breathe, and by the end when he removes his mask he looks physically battered and emotionally devastated.
Right?!
In all honesty, after watching No Way Home, the movie subtly hinted that Raimi Spiderman was the strongest not just in terms of raw strength alone but for obvious reasons being he was the most experienced out of all three of the live action spideys. hell, the MCU wiki even confirmed this that he was the best and strongest of the trio.
Is the MCU wiki fanon or canon?
@@SentinalSlice canon, for the most part. Haven't really found much fan related aspects other than trivia and maybe some speculation on what might have happened or what may or may not. It usually spoils things ahead of releases around the time of early screenings so caution for spoilers is advised
@@SentinalSlice Like all wikis it's supposed to be only canon, but occasionally mistakes and fanon do slip through. If you want articles that are defiantly canon in the sense they came from Marvel directly, try Marvel's official website.
its written by fans plus it doesnt directly state peter two is stronger it says he was able to hold it up long enough for peter one to calm down
Yeah I know
Green goblins costume had me scratching my head for 1 second as a kid, but Willem Dafoe sold that performance so perfectly, I pretty much felt like this was goblins new look and I was 100% okay with that.
I grew up with that Green Goblin's look.
I thought pretty much realistic because the Goblin suit itself is an Armor designed in order to fit the motif of the user riding the Goblin Glider equipped with Pumpkin Bombs and also many hidden blades installed inside the glider.
Considering the standards of the modern days, I just find it quite fitting.
Yeah I agree, due to Tobey’s Spider-Man being completely non-reliant on tech of any kind, there is this added physicality to all his fights that are so much more brutal.
Also, taking the pumpkin bomb to the face and having absolutely no noticeable lasting damage is a crazy endurance feat.
I hate the Stark tech for the most part. It feels like a cheat and takes all rhe suspense and danger out of a scene. I always think "ah his suit will have some ridiculous ability that will get him out of this tough spot". Spiderman does better when he has to rely on his ingenuity, environment, or building his own tech on a shoestring budget to win a fight. When he has the iron spider suit he basically takes no damage, even when he fought Thanos.
@@BigfootUnibrowMan plot armor provided by Stark Industries excused by “oh look how our cinematic universe is connected!!!1!!”
He has the best Durability...But he Doesn't have better feats than Tom's Spiderman, In a Fight Tom's Spiderman Wins with Little Difficulty
@@powangel1418 idk about that, he barely survived against Vulture.
@@BigfootUnibrowMan yeah when you think about it taking hits from Thanos is a non feat since he's in an iron man suit which allowed tony to go toe toe with Thanos, Thor, chituari, Ultron, cap etc... And come out almost perfectly, the iron spider suit is just the nano suit which tanked infinity gauntlet blasts
I loved these films as a kid. So much so that for Christmas in 2012 when I got the amazing Spider-Man blu ray, thinking it was Spider-Man 4. I flipped the case over and saw Andrew Garfield and audibly said “that’s not tobey…”
It's worse, Tobey and Tom are the best Spider-Mans
Bro the same.. except my parents took me to the theaters thinking it was Spider-Man 4 because I loved the first 3 😭
I was about 7 years old when TASM1 came out and I hated it as I didn’t understand the concept of reboots.
Now looking back I can say that TASM1 is just kinda decent. TASM2 on the other hand sucks ass.
@@f-zilla7347 this was my reaction too, I was also 7 years old and kinda understood that this was supposed to be a new version but throughout the whole movie the only thought in my head was "why didn't they just continue with a sequel to Spider-Man 3"
Same shit happened to me 😂
"It's about how much you can get hit and keep moving forward" Which is why Tugboat is the truest Spider-Man. The best Spidey fights from the comics are about Pete getting beaten within an inch of his life and still manages to come through. I really feel like Raimi is the truest, deepest fan to helm a Spider-Man movie.
It's pretty obvious that he is the best and truest to the character.
Who’s tugboat?
@@vato4917 Tugboat Maguire
I think one of my favorite examples of a hero getting absolutely beaten in is Daredevil. In season one alone, he gets absolutely battered. The infamous hallway scene has him practically throwing his body at people because he isn't at full power and that fight with Nobu had me recoiling with every hit he took. Not to mention all the fights with Fisk and other fights throughout the series.
I think that’s what made the symbiont spider man so scary. It was the first time we ever saw Peter commandingly win a fight against one of his villains. Like he messed people up. I agree with you.
And that's exactly how Peter acted in the comics. The Symbiote amplifies not only his powers, but his emotions too, and it becomes a feedback loop. It was basically drugging Peter with a massive power trip
Tobey stayed getting his ass whooped tbh. Still the best Spider-Man tho
@₿ΣΛƬƧ true
Symbiote*
@@sparking023 There's also that comic where Spiderman doesn't get the symbiote off him soon enough and goes on a villain killing spree, he crushes hob goblin's skull,, even punches a hole through King Pin.
Tobey easily has the best fights out of all the Spidey’s in my opinion
best fights but not the best fight scenes.
I absolutely agree.
TRUE it feels real but when thanos choked Tom it did not feel like that hurt bcs of the metal and peters reaction
@@Qaosbringer Watch the last goblin fight, the train scene from spiderman 2, and the fight against Sandman and Venom, then try spouting that BS.
He's not my favorite at all but I would agree but honestly you can't scale these 3 spidermen until no way home comes out that's the reality
Newton’s 1st law states that an object in motion stays in motion unless an unbalanced force acts upon it. The train is the object in motion while Spiderman is the force trying to make the train stop.
The distance is the physical length between objects. If we wanted to find the horizontal distance of the train from the train stop, we would use the formula dH = v*t. The velocity was 35.76m/s multiplied by 46s which was the time and I would get 1,664m.
The speed also known as the 1st derivative is the distance traveled per unit time. The speed was given in the scene when Doc Ock broke off the speed handle. The speed was 80mph.
Gravity is the force that exists between things that have mass. Gravity is acting on the train, letting the train stay on the tracks and not floating around, also for Spiderman; if gravity wasn’t acting on him then he would be floating too.
Velocity is the speed given in a specific direction. The train’s speed is 80 mph or 35.76 m/s. The velocity would be 80 mph going in the distance of 1,664m.
The time that Spiderman stops the train was at 46s. It took Spiderman to fully stop the train in 46s, referring to the movie. Newton’s 2nd law stated that an object will only accelerate when an unbalanced force is acting upon it.
The equation for this is F=ma. We can use the equation F=ma because we need to find how much force the train was putting on Spiderman. We can calculate the mass of the train by itself and also add the passengers mass.The train’s mass without passengers was given to be 21,500 kg.
While the train contained about 6 cars, we can multiply 21,500kg by 6, which would give us 129,000 kg.
Based on the movie, we can assume that the train can hold about 20 passengers in each car of the train with the mass about 68 kg (150 lbs).
We can multiply 68 kg by 20 because there are about 20 people and that equals to 1,360kg.
The train contained 6 cars, so we can multiply the mass of the people 1,360kg by 6 and get 8,160. Then, we can take the train’s mass and add it to the mass of people in all 6 cars and get 137,160kg. To convert it to pounds (lbs) we can multiply it by 2.20462 and get 302,385 lbs.
Acceleration or the 2nd derivative is the change in velocity over the change in time. We have to find the acceleration of the train to find the force. We can do 0 (the initial velocity) and subtract it by 35.76m/s over the time the train came to a stop, which was 46s. We can then divide -35.76m/s over 46s and get -0.78 m/s2.
Now that we have the 2nd derivative, we can plug in -0.78m/s2 for a and when we multiply 137,160kg by -0.78m/s^2, it equals to 106,985 N. To convert N pound force, we can make a conversion table. There are 4.448 N in a pound force; We can make 1 pound force over 4.448 to 106,985N over 1. The N cancels out and we can divide 106,985 over 4.448 and get 24,052 pound force.
To convert 24,052 pound force to tons, there is 2,240 pound-force in 1 ton-force. We can use the conversion table and have 1 ton over 2,240 pound force to 24,052 pound force over 1 and divide 2,240 to 24,052, I calculated 10.74 ton-force or about 11 ton-force.
Tom Holland's Spider Man holds together a bifurcated Staten Island Ferry. The particular ferry in that scene has a weight of approximately 3,200 tons, or 6,400,000 lbs. It has a total passenger capacity of 4,400, and can additionally carry 30 vehicles. It has a 40,000 gallon fuel tank, and runs on diesel. The total weight of all of this is approximately 7,578,800 lbs (or 3,437,685 kg).
Tom grabs both halves of the train with his webbing when each half is tilted about 15 degrees away from vertical. The tension on his body to keep the ferry from tipping over works out to about 9,027,024 newtons.
How many Newtons of force did Tobey have to endure?
300,000 Newtons. But here’s the feat;
To avoid breaking, every cubic metre of Spider-Man's web would have to soak up almost 500 million joules of energy, meaning Tobey had to endure, IN TOTAL, 500 million N.
Thank you.
Shit. Never knew Isaac Newton was a tobey Spidey fan.
So who’s stronger
One of my favourite feats of strength across the 3 actors is in Captain America Civil War. Throughout the movies it is shown how strong the winter soldier is, with Captain America struggling to hold back his metal arm. But then in the airport fight in Civil War, Peter just casually catches a punch from the winter soldier and effortlessly moves his arm to admire it while in awe at the metal arm! It's so subtle that lots of people just see "haha Spiderman being funny" while other realise "Jesus he's so bloody strong"
If it was tobey"s spiderman he would have ripped his arms clean off
"Woah you have a metal arm? That's so cool!" While Bucky was shitting bricks because this kid in spandex just caught his punch.
While I gotta agree that the Reimi trilogy has the best fights overall, I have to say that the fight between The Lizard and Spider-man in the school in TASM is really cool with al those spidey moves and brutal swings thrown by Connors
Andrew def felt the most like spider-man in costume. The way he talks, moves, and fights just screams spider-man.
I enjoyed it for how Spider-like his movements were. I thought that was really cool and well done. But I gotta give Raimi credit for making some of the most exciting fight scenes, in any genre.
As a childhood Raimi fan, I’ll give y’all that.
Andrew really brought out the comic book personality more.
Moves, agility, quips.
Still, *these* action scenes always pump me up. More than any of the following ones.
Yeah my favorite part was when Andrew crawled all over The Lizard like an actual spider 😂
fun fact everything about that scene was cgi and it still looks fantastic
Still wish we had gotten more of the Raimi-verse.
Keep em coming Full Fat!
I'm almost certain we will after "Iron Boy is too much of a zoomer to leave home" Keaton is confirmed to be back for batman after flash, and has a multi-picture deal. I think Marvel is doing the same thing with Spidey-Maguire.
@@Frogman1212 sony*
this video aged like wine
The part where you're talking about him taking so much damage (The rocky principle part) and him getting battered all the time is kinda how I like to invision Insomniac's spiderman before we see him in the game. Peter mentions throughout the game (and some times from MJ as well) that he almost got himself killed a ton when he was first starting out; MJ mentioning him bleeding on her lawn after Fisk sliced him with a sword and she had to quickly give him medical care. Just stuff like that as well as the Raimi Spiderman showing that he's still human and isn't indestructible.
I’d also like to point out that in the extended addition of the train scene, Tobey is hit by a moving train and gets right back up like nothing happened.
I mean the max speed of the NY trains is like 40 mph so he got a full stop at about 80 mph so pretty crazy using that it's definitely his biggest strength feat
@@depressedasfook2893 well tom got hit by a bullet train so
@IAm H2M no he didn't he literally got inside the train and was exhausted. And he literally caught cull obsidians hammer when he was beating the shit out of iron man and even the hill buster. That's more than anything else
@IAm H2M and Andrew garfield is my favorite spiderman so I'm not fan girling
@IAm H2M he lived being hit by a fucking bullet train nothing Tobey has comes close to that defence feat
14:14 that's what I love about the Batman Arkham games, you start out with fresh new suit and at the end of the game you look totally wrecked like you just survived WW3
Same here
Finally going to get myself a PS4 next month and going to play Batman: Arkham Knight, Spider-Man, and Spider-man: Miles Morales (in that order)
Batman: Arkham Asylum and Arkham City were two of my favorite PS3 games back in the day
No way home basically confirms this when he outspeeds Andrew in websooting and when he holds back Tom who's fully enranged trying to kill Greem Goblin
Agree. I love how they did it in such a subtle and cool way. Just a quick battle, like dueling gunslingers from westerns, but in Spider-Man terms. There's a flinch and five seconds later it's over. Glad they didn't go into some weird strength contest and didn't go for having a verbal battle that degenerated into an unnecessary dick measuring. They just share some cool moments that others haven't had a chance to experience
Holland's Spidy didn't even see tobey's Spiderman coming..
@@vishalpurigoswami okay and?
@@jaym.9275 Gonna cry?
@@Lolololololololololo123 huh?
I also liked that in the raimi films, nyc gathers to watch and they’re genuinely upset to see their hero get hurt. Made it feel like we were watching from the public’s perspective
Tobey got the absolute shit beat out of him in every final battle. My guy got absolutley battered when he was barely out of high school by a psycho with pumpkin bombs and was relatively unscathed looking at that same dudes funeral. Usually funerals like that come together in like under a week so for Tobey to be fully healed is insane. (Also probably just a plot goof but still)
Lol, have u seen no way home yet?
I think Peter has a slight accelerated healing factor...
It's part of the healing factor spiderman has
@@triton1060 yeah he felt what toby had to go through
@@djstiles2001 exactly lmao!!
20:01 I think that’s why Infinity War and Endgame were so well-received in their fights. The heros at the end of every fight are battered, bruised, bloodied, half of them are defeated, one of them DIES, and half get turned to dust in Infinity War. That’s the two movies that definitely took notes from the Raimi playbook. Now, we just need to get others to as well…
Plus CA:Winter Solidier had that as well and that's regarded as one of the strongest MCU films
Iron man always is destroyed at an end of a movie
Are we forgetting black widow?
@@crazynachos4230 where she suddenly has superhuman durability?
More or less, the endgame fight was so weak because there was no Progression. We dont see them struggle. We only see them fighting a lot of unnamed villains.
Keep saying. The Raimi change of having the webs come from his body was brilliant. Wish it was always this way. Having the webs come from Spiderman`s body is more practical and make the character way more powerful.
It also just makes more sense. What is the first thing, that comes to mind, when you think about spiders? It's the web. Not strenght or crawling on walls.
“Just a bunch of drones”......seriously? :/
This video makes me appreciate the Rami trilogy figth scenes more . the line "its not about the power level , but how it is portrayed to the audience "line should be something every super hero movie should remember (especially the ones with incredibly powerful characters like superman).
The reason why the last figth scene In man of Steel fail as a figth scene (keeping the destruction aside) is that the punches and hits between the krypyonians don't leave an impact to the audience . Sure buildings blow up and stuff but we don't feel any sense of danger or don't feel that superman is even getting hurt at all . (That is why I have a sense of excitement and tension seeing tobey and doc ocl figth in Spiderman 2 , but just feel num seeing supes and zod dish out in MOS)
I think thats part of why winter soldier is so beloved too, cap and buckys punches feel like they hit like a train and when black widow gets shot she takes damage and we feel her mortality in that moment, when shes fighting amung super soldiers she feels competent but vulnerable. Unlike the Black Widow film where shes just unkillable, never really seems in pain.
Same reason why Captain Marvel is just really boring to watch. She flies through ships like they're paper, completely destroys Thanos's ship, and all without any kind of strain. No cuts or bruises, she isn't out of breathe, she doesn't even look concerned. She either looks angry or disinterested. Sue, she was excited and she first started to fly, but she was also tearing through Ronan's ships like they were nothing. She is so absurdly powerful that any fight with her has little to no weight. The only time we see her get knocked down was when Thanos punched her with the power stone, and even then it just seemed contrived and the writers had to make some kind of explanation to get her out of the picture for Tony to sacrifice himself.
While Superman has Kryptonite and the need for a yellow sun, Carol has no weaknesses for anyone to take advantage of in a fight. The only way to add a struggle to anything she does going forward is for her to get her powers drained to a certain degree. Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason for her to ever lose a fight (a person's limit should not be getting punched by an infinity stone).
@@moviehermit5631 or alternatively boost up the other characters that were nerfed really hard like Thor, Hulk, Strange, and Wanda, and it seems they already started with Wanda.
The Sam Raimi Spider-Man in general feels the most grounded out of the Cinematic Spider-Men we have seen on Screen.
Tobey was always my favorite growing up, and the newer ones don’t really live up to what his spider-Man stood for in my opinion. Someone who can take so many hits and still move forward. I hope that if Tobey is in No Way Home, they try their best to capture his best qualities.
I agree. I also think Toby’s relationship with Flash is more grounded than Tom’s IMO. Tom’s version of the Flash just calls him names and stupid bs like that.
@@wolv3y252 Indeed. The Maguire depiction of flash is the Bully we expect to see on screen, mistreating others through brute force, along with insults.
The Holland Flash was more focused on Verbal insults, which made him less of a threat to Peter overall.
I just rewatched the og spiderman series and definitely not... Tobey's spiderman is actually a horrible person... he could save random people left and right, and mj, but he never even stopped for a moment to think, "maybe I need to at least have a talk with my best friend who is in a rapidly declining mental state because of me!" Like he let a misunderstanding stand in the way of their "friendship" for like 3 years (I can't remember the exact amount of time) to the point where Harry literally became a supervillian... Any real friend, or really even any good person would deal with that problem almost immediately. Tobey's spidey is very selfish, stealing people's girlfriends just because he likes the girl and wants her back, and then getting said girl (mj) into horrible situations with every supervillain he fights against 🤦♂️ also mj is stupid for keeping on coming back... In the end Harry imo was the only good char of that series but unfortunately he got the short end of the stick and died for the people who neglected and abused him 🤷♂️ but other than that if you look at this series as a tragic story of a genuinely good person who got put on the back burner while his "friends" were off playing hero for the glory, and ultimately dies because the universe is unfair and good people don't always get rewarded than it is technically a good story... just not a good superhero story 🤷♂️😀 imo of course
They won't. It's Disney, they care about the money just look at how they disrespect Doc Ock in the new trailer and to Dr. Strange for"jokes". Disney ruin everything they try to remake or do over
@@adaptivegamer9905 I have no doubt it will have the usual MCU Humor. What I hope is that they will do the each of the spider-men justice.
And I’ll expect to hear a cheesy joke about organic webbing, since Tobey Maguire the only spider-man that has natural web fluid.
“Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams”
-Peter Parker
I like how each sequence manages to capture some aspect of Spider-Man/Peter.
Tobey showed the Spidey that takes a ton of hits and keeps moving forward, physically and mentally too. Resilience and willpower are one of the defining traits of Spider-Man to me.
Andrew imo got the big brain side of Peter, along with the famous jokes as he fights. Also, the way he moves on screen is just perfect, the best of the three in that point.
Tom is showing a much younger Spider-Man that still has to learn how to be a hero. While very different from every other iteration of Peter I've seen, counting movies and animations, it's nice to see him growing up into the Spider-Man we know. Only egregious sin is not mentioning the big motto: "With great powers, come great responsibilities"
The fight scenes in the Raimi films really were the best. I also agree Spider-Man 3 is underrated in that regard. Really love the shot of Spider-Man dodging and demolishing rubble as he dives after Gwen as she is falling. Can't wait to see what Raimi cooks up for Doctor Strange 2, and hope No Way Home lives up to his iconic films, both in action and everything else.
Factssss that’s a beautiful scene!!
I always liked the fact that Tobey created his own webbing internally, it was an interesting take. Because I grew up on 1994 animated Spider-Man and the running trope whenever there had to be drama, “Dang I’m out of wedding I can’t stop the villain now.”
This guy after watching No Way Home and seeing Tom's Peter break the concrete floor in an apartment building while fighting Green Goblin: 😐
You after seeing Toms Spider-Man casually stop an absolute raged Toms Spider-Man from killing Goblin. Also goblin whooped Toms Spider-Man to the point it’s the worst I’ve seen Spider-Man get whooped on screen
I'm a simple man. I see Raimi Spider Man, I click
I still absolutely love these movies, born in 2003 and the first two were amazing childhood memories, I remember 3 coming out and sandman really stood out to me.
‘99, & ditto. I remember commercials for Spidey 2, & saw 3 opening day!
Good, eternal childhood.
I LOVED Sandman, it was the first time as a kid I really felt for the villain
I remember watching Spiderman 2 at the cinema and being completely awestruck by the train fight. I was almost moved to tears when the public finally embraced him at his lowest point. Great experience.
I can’t speak enough to how much I love this video. Bringing back so many memories and simultaneously showing the rawest portions of the films, fantastic video brother
Raimi’s Spider-Man is the living embodiment of what they were trying to teach Miles in that Into the Spiderverse film. He definitely gets his ass whipped at least 5 times in each movie it’s ridiculous when you think about it lol
He would certainly wash Tom and Andrew in a 1 on 1 on 1 lol
No he wouldn't lol he would be absolutely whooped by Tom and maybe even Andrew he has stronger morality but he absolutely looses to Tom without question
@@depressedasfook2893 how?
Please no more mentions of miles. Sick 🤢 f that spotlight stealing copy cat fruitcake
@@michaelbarnes2617 Probably the tech based support gadgets that Tom has which allows for more versatility. Neither of them win on combat experience, because none of them actually know proper ways to fight(boxing, martial arts, etc.), meaning it comes down to physical strength. Tobey definitely has more experience brawling, because he's been Spider-man for longer, but they're both kinda bad at it from a technical standpoint. I'm going to assume that oth Spider-meb have the same levels of strength and agility for this because otherwise it gets too complicated. Tobey undoubtedly is more experienced, so it gives him an edge, but Tom has gadgets that allow him to perform things Tobey can't, such as web bombs or whatever. Tobey has another advantage of infinite webbing, so another point there to Tobey, but Tom does have Instant-Kill mode, which works to kill as fast as possible. Tom can also glide. Point for Tom because that shit is cool as fuck, and it allows for movement that Tobey can't perform(such as moving quickly across and empty field, because gliding and no where to swing, although that's dependant on the height of both of their bodies.) The Iron Spider suit Tom has also has appendages, so a point to Tom there(because extra appendages means easier grappling and blocking.) I think Tobey's webs are more durable? (Comparing scenes where Tom's webs ripped from holding the boat while Tobey's didn't Whole stopping the train.) Not going to compare spider senses because I don't remember Tobey's spider sejse and Tom's is screwy. I'll write more when I'm on a computer lol
@@michaelbarnes2617 I mean Hollands Spiderman man handled winter soldier and just stopped his punch like it was nothing, fights with Thanos, take a train to the face and lifts an entire building that falls on him. Dudes pretty durable haha
“he takes the most damage”
my brain: phil swift advertising flex seal - “that’s a lot of damage!”
You are my favorite person lol 😂
No Way Home Spoiler Warning
1:29 He probably had a seizure of excitement during No Way Home.
NO WAY HOME SPOILERS DO NOT LOOK IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT
I was just sitting here wondering earlier "Was Norman always so tough?" when I was reflecting on his fights with Tom in No Way Home. Especially with the fight right before he kills Aunt May. You reminded me that yes, he was always this tough lol.
I love the amount of raimi memes in this
I couldnt resist (theres a django meme)
Raimis Spider-Man just has that charm that the new Holland ones don’t, I can’t explain it, still hyped to see the old characters return in far from home!!!
It’s called nostalgia
@@403 Not really tho, these films were always loved and praised ever since their release
@@403 No, it’s called good writing
@@403 as much as I like Tom's Spiderman, he has never through hard shit besides maybe losing Tony lol
Every time he has a conflict that jeapordizes his person or his identity, it always solves itself in a jiffy. Aunt May and MJ just accepts that he's Spiderman now with no drama, Brad doesn't embarrass him because of the glasses, Flash can't even bully Peter because the world is against him. Even with No Way Home, he had his identity revealed to the public where he's antagonized and he's still going to school and getting Doctor Strange to solve his problems.
@@kevinsteelflex7371 sorry but i think the way the trailer showed, everything that will happened was because he went to Dr. Strange for help and because he interfered with the spell or maybe the spell couldn’t go right.(Dr Strange says to peter that the problem is that he want two distinct lives)
*SPOILER FOR NWH* we sort of got this confirmed in nwh since green goblin beats the crap out of tom and even calls him weak laughs him of and throws a bomb at him. Aet the end of the tom holland tries to stab goblin with his glider but *SPOILER* toby holds him back without even strugle and tries not to let him become a monster wich is very in character. He also won in quick web duell (or you could just call it a duell) against andrew.
The fight sequence in sam rami's Spider-Man 1 at the end is the absolute best fight scene in comic history. The dark gritty scene with a battle damaged spiderman is something missing in comicbook films.
The Spider-man game also does Spiderman fights really well (at least in cutscenes). My man really does get the shit beaten out of him
The way he winced and limped his walking when talking to Doc Ock made me buy his agony that much more. The OG face also made his expressions feel more nuanced than the new one.
@@domenica3639 totally agree, the old face is waaaaay better
@@domenica3639 and the scene with aunt may, when he has to sacrifice the one person closest to him
I had to redo the campaign and that scene still brings tears to my eyes
@@domenica3639 yeh, the og face is what Peter Parker should look like
Who is the Strongest Spider-Man? And why is it Bully Maguire?
Because of his Fingerguns. He shoots everyone that gets in his way with pure insanity. Bonus points against people with taste.
Tom
I’m gonna put some dirt in your eyes 👀
Tom
Tugboat wins every damn time.
The spider-man mask with the rip around his eye is so iconic i hope we get to see it again
When peter fought thanos he was wearing armor and peter doesn't take as many hits as peter, i agree with you but i think peter is the strongest powerscaling wise, also that harry vs peter has the best if not one of the best choreographys in the whole live action part of the franchise
Idk mane Tom did get a building dropped on him in homecoming and lifted it off himself, chased down The Vulture took more punishment and still managed to save Vulture after the explosion. But you’re right Tobey got wrecked every movie and kept getting up. He’s definitely the most durable but it’s hard to call.
If Toby or Andrew did they definitely could lift it up, it’s a Spider-Man given.two Spider-Men had the same moment as Tom
The point is that you never get a sense of him being truly injured. Toby takes Worldstar beatings every movie and LOOKS f***ed up by the end of each one. You never get a visceral sense of Holland really being crushed and in pain and still pushing himself so much as he's just straining to bench something (relative to us).
@@National7575 True. That's just a classic comic moment that all the film makers would say was in their Peter's capability. Toby would have just been a lot more haggard and screamy whilst doing it.
@@nobodyspecial675 You be watching the movies with your eyes Closed ig
@@powangel1418 You serious, dude? All of Toby's appearances are TEAMING with art that's just lost on the MCU enablers. It's opening my eyes that made me see how Marvel's NEVER outdone Sam Raimi years ago.
I love Toby’s yells. That shit always gets me. 🤣
Ya really feel for the dork!
Tobey’s spider-man really used to get abused lol
The use of practical effects made the goblin fight so good
Why Tobey is definitively the strongest Spiderman: I like his fight scenes the best. Not what that means, but okay lol.
Joking aside, great video. Apparently the crew of the Spiderman films lied seeing Tobey beat up as much as you.
dog pictures woah WOAH lego land secret trip featuring griffin… love to see my man growing into his skin 👉👈 pls i just wanted it i wanted u my lovely lovely man
he's saying he has the most physical feats bruh
@@jackstroboys he's not. Literally says that himself.
@@jackstroboys no he’s not. He’s got the second best actually. Tom stopped cull-obsidians hammer effortlessly, no difficulty whatsoever. And cull-obsidian stomped hulk buster in terms of strength, plus in what if? Cull-obsidian was almost an equal to Thanos without a gauntlet
@@Neon1880 i like tom but tobey has no stark suit sooo
The brutality of his fights are hard to convey his spider sense, powers, and personal consequence. Thats why they are so different. The latter ones tried to incorporate more of his powers like the books.
Also my fav spidey moment was the convo with GG and slaps him on the back of the head casually like their buds lol
Just came back from No Way Home. WARNING, SPOILERS BELOW:
One thing No Way Home did exceptionally well is highlighting Green Goblin's super strength, (and as a direct effect, Holland-Spidey's super durability). In Happy's apartment fight especially, he throws him through countless concrete floors, doors, etc. Out windows and down a floor only to be punched through that one too. It's an incredibly brutal fight, similar to the Maguire vs Green Gobling fight. It also shows Holland-Spidey's super strength when he gets in a few of his own punches, and even more so at the final fight, (on the shield) when he bests Green Goblin in a fair hand-to-hand fight. (Not to mention, Maguire is able to stop Holland's final blow, but they then appear to be roughly even, with Holland able to gain maybe another inch or two at most).
*edit:* No Way Home also does a great job of showing Holland's side of the giving villains a second chance part, while not taking away from Maguire's Spidey. Holland-Spidey immediately wants to find a way to save the villains, even knowing that it is more dangerous to do so. He fights Dr. Strange, one of his closest allies, just to make sure that these villains can have their potential redemption back on their own worlds. And then at the end, fueled by the murder of May when he is about to kill Green Goblin, Maguire steps in and reminds Holland of that humanity, that even someone who killed your "mother" still deserves a second chance. A cure instead of an execution. Masterfully done giving that role to Maguire, but still having Holland show those traits of the character earlier in the movie of his own accord.
That's fair...but I think it would've been more clear if they were on even ground. Or at least had a tug of war.
@@oriondirden1902 yeah let’s get some spider-men olympics
Sidenote, everything you added is valid, I just want to comment that Andrew’s Peter said that he stopped pulling punches which implies his Peter went grim dark and may have killed people in his timeline following Gwen’s traumatic death.
Edit: no one’s talking about it and this is the first spoiler safe space I found and I just wanted to add that
@@homosexualitymydearwatson4109 Yeah that was definitely an interesting line. I wonder if he went sort of a Punisher-mode and just started taking down villains without mercy. Would definitely like to see a more grim Spider-man portrayal in a sequel to the original Garfield movies, and maybe show how his interactions with the other Spideys lead him to redemtion.
The way Tobey stared down Holland gave me goosebumps. More was said with that stare than words alone could ever do.
I've always really loved the green goblin costume in the Tobey films
In spider-man 2.1 tobey gets hit by a speeding train and comes back a second later like nothing happened. It's almost comedic how powerful he is. Meanwhile, tom gets hit by a train in far from home and is heavily injured.
well to be fair toms was moving way faster and hit him at a controlled point and not his entire body and he wasnt too heavily injured assuming it was only like 2 hours that he was out for
yeah the train in spiderman 2 is a basic subway train that moves at a snails pace, while tom got hit with the point of a bullet train and you actively see his body curving if you slow it down. it’s why laying on 1 nail hurts more than a bed of nails
Man.. I want whatever you're smoking right now Keval
I really hope we get to see Spidey get pretty destroyed in NWH, he just feels a little OP at times so I'd be nice to see that.
he got thrashed by vulture tho
bro mysterio ran him over with a train wtf are you on
@@theauditor5275 good point. but i wanna see him almost die kinda
@@lezzei i wanna see more tho
@Platinum Raccoon Wasn’t he bloody and limping after the Illusion scene with Mysterio, bloody and beat up after fighting Vulture, and bloody and battered at the end of the final FFH fight though?
YES! Attention to detail is spot on!
One thing I LOVE about Rami's Spider-Man, are Peter's war-cries! When Spidey throws a punch or kick or when he swings, his grunts, yelps and screams really sell the fact that he's actually going all out, because the villain he's fighting is strong. Seriously, the ferocious nature of his screams, really puts the "man" in Spider-Man.
Like, I could totally see Tobey overpowering Tom like "AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH" with his comically aggressive grimace easily. No contest.
**Reads Title**
"I've seen enough. I'm satisfied."
Just a reminder that according to the comics, Spidey holds his punches. In actuality he's far stronger than we see on the big screen.
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the POV shots are amazing, especially if you know that a guy with an camera on a piece of wood is running around like a maniac. in the Ash vs Evil Dead series the pov shots are great.
I really love Sam Raimi's work, entertaining stuff
Tobey: can take and Dish out the most amount of Punishment
Garfield: fastest of them all, was dodging straight up electricity several times, hasn't taken many hits but the fee he took showed he won't go down as easy as most people think, but still easier than thr other 2. Very much the speedster
Holland: Best Tech Suit, I'd say is prob stronger than Garfield but not by much. Really is the middle ground between the two Spidermen, but that just means he can't beat either at their game, and isn't proficient enough to turn their respective games on them just yet
Andrew's is easily the weakest, but smartest.
Tom's is the new kid on the block, jack of all trades, but master of none.
Tobey's is easily the strongest and has experience.
@@richardfitzwell4618 I just saw the movie
Basically nothing changed except Andrew can tank a SHITLOAD more damage than previously thought.
Dude may straight up have the best stats of any Peter, just least combat experience and shittiest life before the ending
"The Vulture does beat up Spider-Man at the end of Homecoming, but it doesn't go anywhere near as hard as the end of Spider-Man 1." Bruh he drops a whole ass building on a fifteen year old I think that goes pretty hard.
I always love that little scene, “Butter fingers.”
Strongest physically and writing wise
Yes!
Physically Tom is pretty close tho
In terms of speed and agility tho, Andrew and Tom beat him.
@Weednose360 and you’re toxic, I wasn’t even born when these films came out
@Ewan Callister that’s true
one of the best raimi trilogy analysis videos i've ever seen (aside from hitop's of course) beautiful work full fat!! summed up exactly why so many people love tobey's spider-man and these movies in general. they have heart, emotion, and overall a brutal nature that shows us being a hero is not about being all powerful and kicking ass left and right. thank you for making this!! look forward to future videos!
his yelps when hes getting battered by goblin make it sound like he is in a ton of pain it really makes him feel real to me
Suuuch a great reminder of the Raimi trilogy’s greatness. Thank u!
When you brought in film making you kind of lost me LOL I stick to the feats and while I give Tobey the edge In durability and strength, Andrew is definitely faster than this man, and Tom Holland’s spider sense is not only superior, but between the scuffles with other avengers and, you can make a pretty fair debate of strength between those two.
Aside from that, GREAT video man! Tobey’s Spider-Man is definitely tougher than I gave him credit for.
I thought the same thing 😂 as soon as I heard him breakdown the film making behind it he lost my confidence in what we was saying 😂😂 like Tom’s Spider-Man was fighting against Thanos…. The same Thanos who made HULK scared shitless 😂 it’s kinda hard for Andrew’s or Tobey’s Spider-Man to beat a feat like that
Tom Holland cheated with the Iron Spider suit, so he's automatically disqualified.
Tom's Spiderman Has Better, Lifting/pulling Feats, Strength Feats, Speed Feats, Etc
Tobeys Spiderman is Just More durable....
You lost me when you said Tom had the better Spider sense, Tom's Spider Sense is pretty weak and inferior, nothing Superhuman about Mysterio or Vulture.
His spider senses are definitely not superior. I think they’re the most inconsistent.
Tom’s Spidey got hit by a bullet train and came out with just some bruises and a limp. And that Peter still didn't have spider senses, that's why he got hit. By feats, by the end of the movie, he’s the strongest.
well guess what.. goblin still proven to be the strongest villain in the NWH
and also gues what.. peter got stabbed and still laugh and said : ive been stabbed before so its fine
Just change the title to "Tobey getting his ass beat for 20 minutes"
Sam Rami's Peter being the one to try to redeem his villains is part of why I despise SM3 so much. Venom, while not known for it by the general audiences because adaptions outside video games is stuck in the 80s, (Though the Venom movies are helping combat this a little) is THE crowning example of a redemption story done right in comics, the Vegeta of comic books. Heck what stopped the two from becoming friends after Eddie's anti-hero and hero transitions for longest time was Comic!Peter holding a grudge, which fits perfectly in this movie's lesson on forgiveness. Basically a villain that not only fits the theming of the movie but can be redeemed into a ally without death, giving Peter another type of win (successfully redeeming a misguided person after the loss of Ock) and setting up a spin off series was gift wrapped to Sam but because he personally disliked the character, he warped the character to be the complete and total opposite of what comicbook!Eddie is and made him a generic evil counterpart.
Sam Raimi didn't understand Venom quintessentially, which is why he didn't want to have Venom in the third movie, he only wanted Harry and Sandman, but the studio pushed for Venom and we got what we got....a character that doesn't sit quite right because the person responsible for bringing the character to us wasn't quite comfortable with the character to begin with....it wasn't Raimi's fault it was Sony's
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It's so weird to me that Raimi didn't like Venom considering how much of a horror fan he is.
@@dandytv1510 he didnt grew up with him
I loved his venom
I love how much heart there is in Reimiverse.
The most gruesome super hero battle is logan vs x 24
The memes of Tobey from Rami’s trilogy are the best but I don’t understand how people can say that those movies are the best. Is it nostalgia, or have they not seen Spider-Man Homecoming or into the spider verse?
agreed, even though the rami movies are great they still had flaws, something most fans refuse to admit
@@braca8169 They had flaws, but if you want to talk about flaws, then I can list several about Toms or into the spiderverse. No movie is perfect, but the writing and the characters of the Rami Trilogy, are hands down the best yet.
They are the best due to the insanely fantastic character development you don’t get in modern super hero films, the stakes and consequences of actions and outcomes, extremely well written stories, well developed villains (yes even Venom), so much love and care into each film and not just all green screen cookie cutter shots.
I think it's the way the Raimi unequivocally understands who Spider-Man and Peter Parker is. Spider-Man 2 opens with Peter delivering pizzas, but he can't quite deliver them fast enough because he has to stop a car chase. As a result he gets fired, and can't make his rent. That is Spider-Man right there. I love holland's portrayal and those movies, but watching the Raimi trilogy again recently really hammered home the fact that those are the best Spider-Man movies imho
@@1001pierre tbh i really dont have a favorite Spiderman (I agree that the Rami trilogy as a whole is better than the other adaptations). Maguire captured the nerdy side of peter parker really well (although it did kinda break my immersion how all the actors looked 30 years old), but imo he didnt have enough jokes or quips as spiderman.
Garfield was the other way around, he had imo the best spiderman dialogue and quips but he was “too cool” for peter.
Holland has had a good balance of both but not as good as either of the others in a specific department
Peter to Harry once he figures out his identity
" Harry , I was there the night you're father died.... the man who stole his glider and performance enhancers killed him. He was tieing up a lose end after killing your father's colleagues . I couldn't save him . I'm sorry , I didn't have the strength to tell you before . I can assure you I did NOT kill your father , the Goblin did . I loved your father , we both loved him Harry , I'm so sorry . "
But then Peter is still screwed if Harry asks who the goblin is.
Yep
And when Harry finds his Dad's lair it will complicate things .
His guilt + anger + frustration + distrust of Peter's lies + Norman hullucination = New Goblin .
So in an alternate universe where Peter can explain himself better like in my previous comment ....
Before the events of Spiderman 3
Peter : " Harry why are you ignoring me ?! You don't return my calls , you regect my visits to your office . "
Harry : " Get out you lying hypocrite "
Peter( suspicious ): " What are you talking about ? I told you what happened . "
he sees the look on Harry's face
Harry : "Peter YOU killed my father "
Peter:" Look Harry , this is too toxic for our friendship , I must tell you , your father WAS the Gre.. "
Harry: " I know "
"You know the truth about your father now ..."
harry's face says it all , the anger and everything
" The reason I hid the truth about your father was because his dying wish was that I wouldn't tell you . I'm sorry if I came out as a liar , I told you the truth , but the only difference is your father being the Goblin. He tried to kill me with his own glider then he killed himself . He tried to stall me by pretending to be Norman . He called me his savior and told me not to let the Goblin take him again , I wanted to help him . Not for a second did I consider laying a finger on him , he was like a father to me. He wasn't himself in his final days , your father was gone already . He was no murderer and you know that. The Goblin killed the people on the balcony , tried to kill me , Aunt May , you , and even twice for MJ . The Norman I knew was a good man . He would never want us to fight . He wanted you to live a happy life with a father to look up to even after his death , he did not want to ruin it for you .
Again I am sorry I complicated things , I sacrificed a lot to honour your father's wish . It must have been painful for you , I know how it feels . "
Harry( touched but in denial)
: How do I know that you didn't kill him with his own blade ? You have lied to me before Peter . "
Peter : "If I killed him I would have hidden the body instead of cleaning it and returning it to you for a proper burial . You have to trust me Harry , I am your best friend , your brother . "
Peter leaves as Harry stares at a picture of the two of them .
That "from a certain point of view" excuse was annoying when Obi-Wan did it too
Green Goblin Williem DeFoe is iconic, I'm right there with you from his acting to the costume everything was just amazing. Also, yeah, the sound effects and the music timing and the fight scenes are all flawless to me no matter what anyone says it did extremely well for the 2000s. Though some parts felt campy, the action scenes never fail to amaze me every time I rewatch them.
By the way, has anyone ever told you, that you look a lot like Daniel Radcliffe?
He can make his own webs don't forget lol.
I think that's why Holland's Spidey never clicked with me, a long time Spider-Man who has read the comics from the first to the Dan Slott era. Spidey has always been about perseverance and, as you so elegantly put it, "the Rocky principle," the way he keeps getting up no matter how hard he's hit. Sure, Holland had that one "If This Be My Destiny" scene from Homecoming where he lifted the concrete, but most of the time, he's forced to dress up in his fancy iron costume and loses part of what makes him so appealing in the first place: just a guy in a homemade suit with above-average super-strength. Not Hulk-level strength. Even his intelligence isn't the level of Reed Richards or Tony Stark. He's the Average Joe of the Marvel universe.
That's only an issue in far from home, in the first movie he wanted to be a hero even when others tried to make him stop. The problem with holland's spidey is that we never had the uncle ben story. And while learning to take responsability wasthe start of the spider-men journey, it only happened in ffh for holland's spidey and that was his arc thoughout the movie.
it never feels like he's in danger. the iron spider suit makes him bullet proof, there's no danger
i agree, i walked out of Far From Home feeling incredibly underwhelmed when i saw it in theatre, the film never truly captured the brutality of what its like to be spider-man and how harsh the role can be for a teenager, how do i feel sorry for Peter when he gives the EDITH glasses to Mysterio when he can call Happy, arrange a jet to fly him over to England and craft a suit for him at the same time? i dunno, Tom Holland's Spider-man stopped being an 'average joe' after homecoming
@@MaxPaynefan1 he literally didn't use it in his movies lol
Except in the comics he’s has the same IQ as a reed richards of his age and can hack into stark tech (“even his intelligence is t on the level of…” ) and also in the comics he can lift roughly 25 tonnes, not hulk level strength but that is still way more than the “above average” super strength. I also find it weird how you’re dogging on Spider-Man’s high strength feats but just take tobey’s ridiculous durability feats like it’s nothing.
And damn, you were right, NWH confirms that shit.
Im new so forgive me, but you really look like the dude who played Harry Potter in the movies. It's a compliment tho!!!
Tobey built his way up. No suit, tech, vulture killing himself, etc. He threw them hands boi! His heart got him through it. That man don’t give up; he fight. If they all fight in spandex suits Tobey be taking the belt.
At the same time Andrew is fast as lightning.
Tom was given an Iron Man suit and glasses that can call drone strikes.
Goblin literally killed himself
@@thebox5001 you completely missed the point.
Vulture officially beat Peter, hands down. Vulture only lost because his suit failed.
While Tobey beat his enemies. Not a sudden failure, him. HE won the fights. And with no tech, no one to save him. Just him.
Tom's spidey defeated Mysterio on his own, with his Spider sense. But you are just another biased Raimi fanboy, so i'm not wasting my time.
Tom legit had to hold his own against the vulture with his homemade suit
I was thinking about the fight between Spider-Man and the Goblin in 2002 vs in NWH, and wondering why they both felt brutal, but in a different way. It’s interesting that even though the first fight is on much smaller scale and the second looks far more destructive, the first one feels just as physically intense-if not more at times. I think it comes down to much of what you talked about, like how important the POV is. Also, Tobey’s screams, the silence, and the focus on each blow really adds to the effect. You can show someone being beaten to a pulp, but if you don’t take the time to frame each scene so that the audience feels it, it can come off as senseless gore. While the NWH battle between the Goblin and Spider-Man was brutal, it still didn’t feel as tactile to me-at least not until the very end, when the Goblin was choking Peter and stepping on his back. It just felt less real, even though they were punching each other through walls and Spider-Man was bleeding. You didn’t feel the weight of each blow or enter as deeply into Peter’s fear of physical subjugation. It’s only in the end, when he’s subjugated, that you really understand the intensity of it. But even then, it’s more of an understanding than an experience. (NWH is one of my favorite Spider-Man movies, so I’m not throwing shade, but this was something I noticed while watching it.)
I was watching his fight with green goblin the other day and he definitely knows how to take an ass whooping. I been saying he was the strongest.
Best portraits of spidy is not the same as strongest lmao
Wow what a great video. you covered everything !
thank you :D
That up close shot of DaFoe saying he’s gonna finish off MJ nice and slow, with his real (and personally iconic) teeth leering through the fangs of the Goblin Mask will NEVER FAIL to creep me the hell out. The first and second movies both have such strong horror elements that I feel like make it even more like the comic books than any of the other iterations have been able to accomplish-like the horror elements when properly incorporated really heighten the drama OF the action. I loved this video essay so much. Tobey seriously gets his ass kicked all the way up and down three movies. He can really get his butt kicked nearly all the way dead and still keep moving forward. Plus I always liked the idea that Peters life is so fucking busy just trying to like make it to his multiple jobs and do right by aunt may etc. that he doesn’t have the time to like, mend his suit in between encounters with bad guys trying to kill him. Idk. I love the Sam Ramie movies. You did right by this iconic screen hero. Nice vid.