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Ngl im going to say this as nice as possible but Listen here 1: none of your reasoning makes any sense and it really sounds like your hating on the series. 2: we are here to watch your reasoning not listen to your sponsor thats already in your description 3: Also to prove your hating on the series your video is 45 minutes long when it didnt need to be it only needed to be like 3-10 mins. 4: Marvel had actually put a lot of work into the series and i agree with you on some of the episodes being horrible (cough cough Killmoger saving tony) Dude seriously i understand you dont like the series and all and you can tell that to your fans but you dont have to tell them every single little detail to hate on it because your jealous (this isnt a hate comment just a tip of advise)
ok i also noticed you like to discarnate everything else too but seriously dude people put a lot of work into these please stop discriminating them and making 45 minute long videos about how horrible they are even if they are horrible
Honestly the biggest issue was pacing. Animation was always on point and some of the stories were interesting but I really wanted to see more and explore some of them. And while some like captain Carter will get that I doubt stuff like killmonger will and that saddens a
They were meant to be twice as long but covid cut it in half, not to mention the Gamora kills Thanos episode was cut :/ just wondering what could’ve been is catastrophic
The animation was always competent, but average at best. I can’t believe they’d release Star Wars Visions, a show with so many wildly different, beautiful, and imaginative art styles, within the same two months as something as bland, uninspired, and safe-looking as What If.
It was more than that...most of the stories just lacked creativity. Honestly, the only thing which rescued the series was the finale, because that one was quite clever and did a lot about the "bleakness" of it all. And I will never forgive them for basically making Peggy a female Steve instead of actually exploring how SHE as a character would act in various situation. Or for the fridging episode, because apparently the only reason for a "hero" to get of the rail can be a women. Or the idioce "Nebula should forgive the guy who killed half of her planet, kidnapped her and abused her for years" thing.
I have 2 criticisms regarding Dr Strange comments: 1. The story and fixed point concept are based on "The Time Machine" so wouldn't be that weird to many viewers. 2. He didn't go evil. He was motivated by selfishness. He's not redeemed cos if he had the chance to save her again he might try it at the expense of others.
@@thatjackass1403 The best villains are written with misguided good intentions. Evil for evil sake isn't interesting. That's why this episode was better then given credit for. Plus Edge of Tomorrow had a runtime almost 4 times, so it's not a fair comparison.
@@thatjackass1403 Fair enough. I still think he wasn't evil as he wasn't intentionally trying to destroy the universe but rather destruction was born out of negligence.
For someone who watches a lot of dr who, you don’t recognize a paradox when you see it. Strange can’t save Christine because her death makes him who he currently is. It’s the equivalent of 9 and Rose’s episode where they save her dad, but instead of a “you shouldn’t save her”, it’s a “you can’t save her”
Yeah I thought the same. If she didn’t die then he wouldn’t become a wizard. It’s also like fate. He was maybe always meant to become ‘evil’ . I think it is plausible that he can never save no matter which methods he took. But did use every method ie eating peoples’ life force. And does ‘save’ her the cost was too high . Felt like he didn’t really get the episode or missed the point.
The problem is that we come from a universe where the rules is that changing te past create branches so why did Christine need to die out of nowhere? Wouldn't the branch were Strange won keep intact and he could defeat Dormamu in the new one?
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Not quite. That universe in and of itself was one set branch with a specific conclusion. Different time branches have their own set ups and payoffs, so if you try to change the course of one, you are eliminating the need for another and breaking what’s set in stone for your own timeline-Hence, paradox.
@@zyberman8108 It’s not official, but when you see Kill monger (mostly in the movie) he looks more golden then a black panther. So I personally call him the Golden Jaguar as a contrast to T’challa’s Black panther
The Doctor Strange and Ultron episodes were peak, the murder mystery following as a runner up, and the finale is bottom tier due to its awful writing and power scaling.
Totally not like they were all protected and amped by Dr Strange’s magic, not like Strange Supreme is beyond normal Dr Strange and took the time stone beyond its limits accidentally breaking his universe but yeah it has bad power scaling lol But I agree it had some disappointing and lazy writing in the end not giving us some interesting stories like dark celestial Peter Quill
the power scaling is fucking horrendous like "oh no im going through the crust of a fucking planet down to its core being pushed by captain fucking marvel and what pierces my eye? A FUCKING ARROW SHOT BY A FUCKING HUMAN"
@@technica7788 Totally not like Hawkeye’s arrows are high tech able to damage Ultron drones, aliens, and other shit not to mention it’s made to transfer into machines and such but also it hit his unprotected eyes under the Vibranium mask and he was off guard so the stones were not active yet also think that the human matters in this situation much compared to the arrow itself. I mean it is a bit of a stretch in some aspects to an extent but it’s very easy to use context to point out how it’s not as ridiculous and nonsensical as you made it out to be with your simple 0 detail complaint about it.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls welll heres the thing his arrows has never ever ever pierced visions body, also ultron resisted the pressure of captain marvel pushing him to the cpre of the fucking earth an arrow will not do shit to ultron
@@technica7788 Body=eyes? No lol his body is a vibranium mesh like mix with organic/synthetic material but idk wtf his eyes are made out of lol I don’t remember what arrows do to his body in the MCU if anything at all besides use abilities to mess with him yet either way it is an eye shot not body shot Yeah the pressure was to his solid vibranium mask not his eyes and it was more so to his head not the eyes in the mask anyways So if I’m being fair there isn’t any feats for or against this cuz the eyes are featless so it’s hard to say for sure yet Ultron Drones got their eyes pierced so narratively it isn’t a massive reach. Either way this is more so a nitpick tbh There’s worse or more questionable power scaling in other episodes like the Black Order hurting Thanos at all which is bullshit but I guess this thanos is weaker cuz he is a nice guy since in End Game the directors said the younger thanos is in his prime cuz he’s still in his War Lord days yet this is an example of bad power scaling. Also Thanos in the zombie episode gets bit and infected yet Hulk didn’t, like Hulk not being infected isn’t bad cuz of his biology with genetic resistances but the bites didn’t even break his skin and he fought Scarlet Witch which is confusing since in Infinity War it’s said by the directors that Thanos and Hulk are equal (even tho it’s wrong by the feats) yet Hulk is more durable, and Wanda who could kill Thanos doesn’t quickly Kill Hulk is weird cuz that would make him stronger, tho in the finale Wanda was around still so maybe she beat the Hulk eventually either way these are some scaling inconsistencies unless Hulk got stronger it’s bs lol Yando’s arrow being able to break Hela’s Crown is also bs I don’t think I need to explain why so this is bad too, the only excuse I can think of is that it’s not her level without her yet idk it isn’t explained or implied so it’s bad scaling too I could try to think of more but those are the worst imo tbh Captain Marvel vs Phase 1 Thor would be bs if it if wasn’t clear she was holding back she even says so, and the power she is using is compared to 10 nukes which is in the range of that Thor who made a storm in avengers which was city level and later in AoU he does a Mountain level feat destroying the city in the sky. So there are disappointing things just the power scaling isn’t really bad in the last two episodes there are other episodes with more solid issues.
I said that Ed Norton being a variant thing on Reddit and got absolutely roasted for it. Apparently it's stupid to explain away a recast like that and makes the original film pointless somehow.
@@garrettwhite5943 That's not what was said. What was said is what I've written. That's what they meant. And it's just a bit of fun, not everything needs a point.
reddit sucks , its a conversation site that actively discourages conversation with bullshit karma system that can easily be abused , and asshole dicktator moderaters/admins and their dicktator CEO steve fuckman.
14:30 She had a heart attack. You see her grabbing her chest and gasping? Idk what the confusion is. Even if she isn't killed by external forces, time/fate still kills her off because that's the premise
Wow, I felt the exact opposite, I had 0 expectations for this series and the beginning didn't interest me much, but once we got to the Doctor Strange episode, that was INSANE, way better than anything I expected from a show like this, and then it happened again in the Ultron episode. So this show really blew away my expectations, but not as much as WandaVision
Absolutely loved the Dr strange episode and the Ultron episode. The final episode, however, disspointed me. I felt as though they completely nerfed ultron. In one episode making him so powerful that he can slice through thanos with 4 infinity stones in a single hit, or break through the 4th wall and fight (and beat) the watcher. Only for the next episode to be b*tch slapped by characters like killmonger and black widow. And yes, yes. I understand that they were being protected by Stranges power, but still. The whole "guardians of the multiverse" thing was very cheesy. I personally wouldve preferred it to focus on Strange vs Ultron, rather than the pacing be constantly interrupted by thors quips, and seeing him have to carry the whole team and prevent them from instantly dying every two minutes.
Okay I watched the full thing to make sure you didn't bring it up like you referenced. The reason the zombies episode ends the way it does is that its an homage to the way Dawn of the Dead ends, one of the most famous zombie movies ever. The survivors find a helicopter and fly off into the sunset, in an ambiguous "maybe they make it, maybe they don't" type of ending, which I think is the perfect way to end a zombies storyline.
The marvel zombies episode made me realize that the entire show are cool ass concepts with terrible direction and pacing. Half the show just feels unfinished plot wise. To the point where it’s puzzling on some episodes.
13:00 Have you not seen The Time Machine or Stien's Gate? Protagonist's girl keeps getting killed by time/fate is a time travel trope I love & I enjoyed seeing it in the MCU. And I wouldn't say Strange went evil. He did evil things trying to save the woman he loved but once he failed he's still the same guy. That's why in the final episode he is like normal strange. I have a general problem with the common use of "redemption". The term is far far far to commonly used in incorrect places. Strange never redeems himself for destroying his universe. Redemption would require him to be sorry for what he's done (which he is) & to take steps to either reverse it (he can't) or to never do it again (we presume he will do this but a redemption arc will be showing Stranges journey to process his bad decision & live with the regret). What we get in the finale is a Strange who's destroyed his universe & is forced to live with that. He's a morally grey character because the extremes he was willing to go. He's not redeemed merely because he's fighting with the good guys in this circumstance. Like I just said, his redemption wouldn't require him to learn how to help people & fight Ultron--because he is basically the same Strange as the MCU--the only difference is the fact is became obssesed with saving Christine and was willing to destroy a universe for her. That's his grey-ness.
It was fun seeing all these wacky scenarios get animated and that's all I wanted. I wasn't disappointed by the shallow story because I didn't expect much else.
You know I really just didn't think much of this series at all. Not that I didn't like it, or that it disappointed me, I just had a hard time caring about it at all (except for Chadwick Boseman's last performance). It did absolutely nothing for me.
Cool so you just don't care. Like it is a TV series. People who care are people who care, and people who don't care because they though everything should be over after the Infinity Saga
@@loljay3281 just expressing my opinion buddy! It just took my by surprise because it's the first MCU project I've felt that way about. I love everything that's come after endgame so far (exception being BW which I still like).
@Get REKT yeah man... it's a problem. I love the MCU so much but I'm more than willing to recognize faults in its content, of which there are many. It's also very okay to not like something. It's all subjective.
I only really enjoyed 4 and 8, it's awfully confusing to me what you're talking about with Strange being redeemed, like he was literally doomed to an eternity of nothingness, with the combined personality of the two halves of himself coming out to help and then returning to nothingness, seems like quite a punishment rather than any redemption. it was baffling to me that you liked 3 tbh, as it seemed to just throw random shit together for no reason, the reveal is stupidly obvious, and it contributes nothing to the overall story, which is also a problem with 5 even though they make a brief appearance in the finale. 3,5, 6, and 9 all had massive pacing issues, just hopping all over the place because of the time constraints, Killmonger being the worst victim; with it just stopping out of nowhere. One of 4's strengths was that it counteracted that perfectly, by having a mechanic which can be rushed, being the time loop. This allows it to have the emotional impact it deserves while still conforming to the time frame.
I totally understand that the writing fell flat in What If- but as a big fan of animation, they knocked it out of the park. The art is phenomenal and it really pushed the artistic direction of the MCU to better and greater heights. I really wanted this show to be a success so that marvel would focus more on its art direction and possible create more high-budget animated shows and movies.
The animation, voice acting, and a few high points definitely give me hope that a season 2, less rushed, and taking on board some of the constructive criticism, could be great.
@@thatsjuancooldude9409 not really because in the comic the zombified characters still talk and have personality. It’s focused on them not the rag tag group of survivors
My main problem with What if, is that the scenarios are not at all interesting compared to the comic counterpart. They could've done some crazy things but decided to be lazy with it. In the comics, they have big stuff like 'What if Uncle Ben never died?' Stuff like that has huge ramifications. I think one they should've gone more into was what if certain characters didn't die. The biggest one being quicksilver for me. I would love to see the events of end game and civil war playout with him around. Disappointed in what we got.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your assessment of the quality of the Killmonger episode, but I do disagree with your take on the character or lack of differences from MCU Killmonger. “What If…?”is about the universe that we know that has one diverging point that leads to the changes that we see. In Episode 6, that diverging point was Killmonger saving Tony. Everything that turned Erik Stevens into Killmonger still happened, thus his character is still the same. It would be hard to buy that a character who is fueled by rage and hatred at how black people are treated by the world, particularly America to learn a softer approach from Tony Star,k, a symbol of that same power structure that Killmonger hates so much. The best he could learn from Tony was a more nuanced take where these issues are more layered in the sense that he realizes that Tony wants to do good, but doesn’t understand the full weight of his actions. I still think he would be resolute in killing Tony for his mission because he was that committed. Creating outreach programs is something T’Challa comes up with after recognizing that Wakanda could and should do more. That solution comes from a different place because T’Challa had a much different upbringing than Killmonger, one without that same rage and hatred. T’Challa listens to Nakia’s idea because T’Challa isn’t weighed down by pain like Killmonger. Killmonger wanted the world to feel the same pain that he did, so that Killmonger, as presented to us, would never create programs designed for more peaceful ends.
Completely agree. Killmonger is still Killmonger. The key difference here, is he had a way to execute his plan better and win. Which it’s the premise of the episode you feel? WHAT IF Killmonger won, is pretty much the name of the episode lmao. Tony’s influence was definitely not gonna change him, especially because this Tony should be the one that still makes weapons and didn’t get that whole treatment to become a hero. He’s still the same play boy genius who makes weapons, he isn’t really a good guy.
Exactly. It's the same reason why the question "Why doesn't Thanos double resources?" is so dumb: because Thanos is a genocidal nutcase! He doesn't care about making things better, he just wants to be proven right! Kilmonger is similar: he doesn't really want to "help people," he wants to cause pain for those he perceives as evil.
I could have just dismissed What If as another "meh" Phase 4 project, but seeing Ultron finally being done justice after the letdown of Age of Ultron made me love it. Zombies was pretty cool too
One of my favorite parts was when Zola's consciousness merged with that Ultron shell. Zola finally got to do something good. Also, can we be honest and say it suited his personality. The efficient design of the Ultron form, merged with the intellect of Zola was spot on! Also the green effect throughout it was a really nice touch. And the follow through at the end was good too I think. I was wondering if they'd forgot about it for abit, but they came through with it, and I think it rewarding.
I have to say, I do miss the old format for video essays. This "Talk to the Camera" has its place, but it just feels cheaper. It's not bad or anything, one is just more appealing.
Gotta disagree with you on this one chief. Tachala Star Lord was one of my favourite things ive seen in a while. There was a couple episodes that weren't as interesting but overall i thougherly enjoyed just having fun with the marvel universe
@@notatroll7128 why? T'challa rescued Peter and while Ego will probably try to come after him again, they can still fight back. They might figure out a way to stop him eventually.
@@KnightRaymund That is not true to T Challa either he is not jesus ok Remember when he went after Bucky for no reaso at all Remember when he threatened Cap that he would kill Bucky no matter what Cap do , like a teenager Remember Move Captain
9. Avengers gone 8. Killmonger and Iron Man 7. Captain Carter 6. Thor as an only child 5. Zombies 4. T’Challa as Star Lord (my ranking is very close to “if Ultron won”; not sure which is better) 3. What if Ultron won 2. Final episode 1. Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands (one of the best things the MCU has ever produced)
Honestly shocked that you didn’t enjoy the Dr Strange one, personally I find that one to be the strongest episode by far. Although calling parts of it comical was a bit much I think. Especially when in the previous episode Hulk pops like a balloon. Seriously that moment kills all momentum for me in that one and just becomes a Looney Tunes cartoon at that point. I do 100% agree with your opinion on the finale. I didn't need What If? to end with some big epic crossover everything on the line final battle. We get that with the MCU main. Really wanted this to just be fun palate cleanser anthology series but we didn't get that.
One of the most goofy, frustrating things about What If, is that it regularly relies on "one-upping" and humiliating established characters in order to "empower" the new iterations. Some examples: Red Skull and Hydra are made a complete joke in the Captain Carter episode -- Red Skull is crushed like a bug in a silly, humiliating moment (even though, if Carter was strong enough to push the beast into the portal, Red Skull should have been strong enough to resist getting crushed, since his strength should be equal). In the T'Challa as StarLord episode, Thanos is turned into a goofy goober by getting wiped out by his Black Order (even though he took on the Hulk, as well as the three lead Avengers, solo, without utilizing the gauntlet). For bonus points, Thanos was simply convinced out of his genocidal plan by T'Challa, even though the entire leadership of Titan failed in convincing him. In the same episode, Peter Quill is low-key mocked by having him be a Dairy Queen employee at the age of 34. Peter is kind of a goof in Guardians of the Galaxy, but that is at least partly due to the fact that he was essentially raised by savage Ravagers, and didn't get much of an education, so he's kind of immature and airheaded. The What If episode, however, just makes him come across as a loser with no higher aspirations, which is made worse by the fact that, despite the Ego tease, he ends up getting saved by T'Challa five seconds later. I also doubt that Ego would have resorted so quickly to draining Peter -- the only reason Peter turned on Ego in GOTG2, was because Ego made the dumb mistake of admitting he killed his mother. One final thing that bugged the hell out of me, was the fact that Thor is getting more stupid with every new appearance. Thor was never an intellectual, but Party Thor suggests that without Loki, the God of Thunder would become an absolute idiot. Seriously, this guy has access to the best education on Asgard (he took the language of Groot as an elective) over thousands of years, and he sounds like an absolute dumbass. One of the only things I liked about What If as a whole, was Ultron, although honestly, he needs to come back in the main MCU movies, because he is just so cool.
I agree with everything you’ve said here, it’s the same way I’ve felt about What If...? I gave up after zombies and glad I reserved my attention for other shows. They definitely should have pushed the show into 2022 if they needed more time.
I think Phase 4 of the MCU has really exposed the weaknesses it already had. Although Phase 4 is Marvel firing on all cylinders, that also means they are reaching their highest highs, but also their lowest lows. For me, I have really enjoyed all of the series they have released except for a few notable exceptions. WandaVision was great until the finale, Falcon and the Winter Soldier was great all the way through in my opinion, and Loki was amazing through and through (except for the third episode). I enjoyed most of the What If episode except for Killmonger, Party Thor, and that finale. On the film side, Shang-Chi was fire, Spider-Man No Way Home is looking like it's going to be SPECTACULAR. And despite the low Rotten Tomatoes score, I'm really excited for Eternals and I think it's going to be one of my favorite MCU films to date. I'm not sure why the critics are ragging on it so much, though. I guess I'll find out on November 5th. However, I thought Black Widow really dropped the ball for me - the most of any 2021 MCU project. And I'm not sure why it's highly rated - apart from the chemistry and emotional opening sequence, that film had a poor, predictable, and strange story, a weak villain (did we really need a Russian Harvey Weinstein that had a bad Russian accent to boot?) and an unfortunate CGI-fest finale for a film that perhaps needed the LEAST amount of VFX or spectacle. I think Black Widow really missed the mark because they tried to up the stakes, scope, and scale so much that they lost sight of who Natasha was at her core: a super-spy, with emphasis on spy badassery. If they had removed that base flying in the sky, and made Black Widow do more Black Widow things, and focused on making things REAL and PHYSICAL, they could have made the film one of the most raw and nail-biting MCU films ever.
The main reason why the original Marvel Zombies comics were so intetesting is because the zombies were the protagonists and they were shown to be a lot more intelligent, and how much of a mental and emotional struggle they had when eating people. Having at least one of them to get "freed" from the Hunger and get added to the final teamup would have been a lot cooler.
The only real issue I had with it myself was the animation. Mostly in the movements. There were times when I was seeing a character move or their facial expressions that just didn't seem right to me 🤔
My favorite was the doctor strange one. My take on the fixed point concept is that it isn't arbitrary, but rather a reflection of the true point of divergence: that in this universe, Dr. Strange loved Christine more than his skill as a surgeon. In each timeline, to be spurred on his journey to becoming doctor strange, he had to lose what he loved most, and the fixed point isn't some arbitrary limit but a reflection on how if Christine didn't die, he would have never undertaken that journey, creating a paradox that the universe would have to solve in any way that it could.
Lots of valid commentary. I really like the idea of Bucky as the lead in the zombies episode and think he would have had a hilarious double act with Doctor Strange’s cloak. The cloak is the most underrated Avenger ❤️
I agree the series could be better. I think that comparing "Edge of tomorrow" with the dr Strange episode is unfair. They use different concepts. They used "The time machine" idea of time healing itself. That was the reason why time travel wasn’t enough. The character from "Edge of tomorrow" wasn't bind by physics of the universe.
The doctor strange episode was by far the best thing to come out of the show and in my own ranking of the entire MCU, is set apart from the rest of what if on its own
Imo, Marvel Zombies episode was just Out of Tone, and Too many Jokes going on with too many "Funny" Characters. It's a Fun Episode, but it could have been better.
If they did it in a tone similar to The Walking Dead it probably would have been better. But the constant jokes and too many funny characters just ruined it for me.
@@melissalayson7275 especially when they had that scene of Spider-Man Happily making a Streaming Video and explaining survival with Happy Hogan. It made him look like he has Bipolar, due to how inappropriate it is to be overly Happy at a Moment that everyone is dying and Aunt May is probably being eaten.
@@baligong3592 Agreed the only character who taking threat of zombies seriously was Okey. And that's because her actress Danai Gurira also played Michonne in the Walking Dead too.
The one I'm more conflicted about is Marvel Zombies, every other episode is a clear "like it" or "hate it", but MZ is such a weird episode. The moment that caused me the most confusion was the scene where Scott saw his last remaining friend get eaten, yet his only reaction is cracking a joke.
This was a great video, although I disagreed with your final point, yes although parts of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Black Widow, What If..., and Eternals were less than I would have expected, I still found myself enjoying them. I think that the goods however outweigh the mediocre. I absolutely loved Wandavision, Loki, and Shang-Chi, and I am highly anticipating No Way Home this upcoming Thursday. Overall, I love what Marvel has been able to do this year and I personally don’t feel over saturated.
I disagree with the thing about Strange, just because he has all that power doesn't mean he can do anything, and I also think it ties into the ending of the series, my headcanon is that the reason why that moment in time couldn't be changed was because Strange had to gain all that power and knowledge to beat Ultron and keep him prisoner along with Kilmonger,
I enjoyed episode 3 and was incredibly meh on literally everything else. But episode 3 was a murder mystery which I love, and had Fury being great and also Loki, so I'm biased.
I actually really enjoyed the Frat-Boy Thor episode! It was kind of fun to see what Jane and Thor’s interactions could have been like with the less serious version of Thor that we’ve had since Ragnarok
All me and my friends wanted for the finale was Ultron with the a couple of infinity stones vs Thanos with a couple of infinity stones. Like intron was created for the sole purpose to defend against threats such as Thanos. So it would be super cool if there was an age of ultron vs mega chad Thanos.
There are episodes that I really loved, Peggy becoming captain America, doctor strange becoming evil, and especially tachalla becoming starlord were big stand outs to me. The others not so much, it wasn't bad for marvel's first big budget animated series, still I definitely share some of your feelings. Good video 👍
Only thing I wanna say bout your comment is that strange didn't turn evil he was just extremely selfish and not emotionally mature he didn't destroy his universe for malicious intent as in the end he pleads to the watcher to change it he was willing to give himself to fix it proving it wasn't his intent, he did it out of love, strange, twisted, obsessive love but love nonetheless evil people aren't motivated by that factor as proven in like any movie, that's the end of my spiel, I didn't mean for it to come across as anything negative just informative have a nice day
Rewatching those clips of the Thor vs Captain Marvel fight just makes me want another Marvel vs Capcom game on the level of 3. Or just a Marvel fighting game on the level of MvsC3
I think I get where you're coming from, but this hit for me more than Falcon and Winter Soldier or Black Widow and like half Loki and WandaVision. I really liked doing different things that weren't super consequential and I appreciated things coming together to make it a completed little story if there wasn't a Season 2. Absolutely, I think they should have pushed it back to get more done, but I rarely ever felt disappointed by any of the episodes. The only real standout disappointing episode to me was the Zombies one because of how imbalanced the tone was, but everything else with What If worked for me. Sorry you didn't enjoy it like you hoped, but we're really starting to get to the point where not everything is going to hit for everybody in the MCU anymore. When it was just the movies, I think most people could probably agree if something was good or not, and then there were the few people that hated everything or loved everything regardless, but with the shows, we're really starting to see some differentiation. At least you're not being a jerk about it and that's all anyone should hope when it comes to differing opinions.
My favourite was the doctor strange one, it was an interesting exploration of grief and how easy it can be for people to be driven to questionable means to stop the pain
It's interesting how I agree with your conclusion but disagree about every episode. If you liked an episode, I hated it. If you hated it, most probably I loved it. But yeah, disappointing overall.
The only episodes I genuinly liked were Thor's and Killmonger's what if. And I'm biased towards the latter because Killmonger is one of my favorite characters. Comparing him to most other MCU entries, I struggle to even call most of everyone else 'characters'.
I was hoping for marvel’s version of black mirror. Instead we get a pretty odd show that felt like it didn’t even know the characters it was “adapting”
It would have been far better as a true anthology instead of having a plot that lasted multiple episodes. Still treat them all as cannon and maybe even tie them together in one single season finale, but each exploring a separate what if to the max would’ve been far more compelling.
Too improve the ‘Zombies!?’ episode. I agree with it should’ve been one and Bucky would’ve worked awesome. Just having him go around fighting off heroes and getting more hero gear
I liked that we got the individual stories in their own universes and then we also got the surprise of them teaming up at the end. It's not like it was advertised that that was gonna happen before episode 8, so for me at least it was a nice surprise. And I dont see what's the point in being upset that they teamed up at the end. You got their individual stories and then a little extra at the end if you're into that sort of thing. The alternative is just another solo story at the end and u didn't seem to care for most of those anyway so at least this was a change of pace and like I said, a nice surprise. And if it's not for you then you can just act like it didn't happen, unlike the MCU they arent gonna build the next season off that team up so u can pretend all those characters stories ended where they did
Honestly, it really feels the MCU was never meant to continue past Endgame. Like Far from Home was good but I have no interest in anything else and No way home taking the multiverse route worries me. Not really a What if specific thing but just a post-endgame MCU thing
Your main criticism of What If is that it had to lead up to a similar story as the main MCU, it's a lot like my main criticism of Loki: that it was part of the MCU because there were a few episodes that had tons of potential for at least 3 more but the story sped right on past these interesting concepts in favour of continuing the MCU story.
One of the biggest problems with this series is that this was supposed to really introduce the multiverse and give slight context to almost everything that follows
Keep making hundreds of videos and you'll get fatigued lol I mean seriously 😂 we had 2 mcu movies the past two years. You got fatigued because you're OBSESSED with making videos. I mean you made one based on a trailer for crying out loud. No wonder TH-camrs constantly bring up "superhero fatigue" because you fools don't enjoy them properly. It's a job for you now lol what did you expect my man ?
There's 50 new videos every single day just talking about background shit like we give a fuck. Do you realize how many people skip over videos you've spent days making? They're POINTLESS. You spend countless hours on a video we can't stand to finish. IT'S NO WONDER YOU'RE EXHAUSTED. I would've smashed my keyboard and become just a fan 😂😂 I get it tho, much better than working a 9-5
The episodes, especialy party Thor, felt almost like a Cartoon Network show. However, the benefit of CN shows is they have like 20 episodes per season so the good episodes overshadow the bad a lot more. The main example I can think of is Ben10. What If had what... 8 episodes? It needed more episodes honestly.
The Doctor Strange episode was the only one I was really into. I felt like the plot was done better in Two Distant Strangers, but I still thought Marvel pulled it off really beautifully in the end. I also liked the episode where the avengers died, but I zoned out the moment Nick Fury slapped Hank Pym. Otherwise I kinda just dealt with it cause it marvel.
What i didn't get about Dr Strange episode is that, if Christine's death is a fixing point in the timeline, then she should be dead in the main universe
Yeah I didn't get that part either when I watched the Dr Strange episode. At least in Supernatural's Mystery Spot the Dean Winchester death time loop was the Trickster teaching Sam a lesson that couldn't save his brother Dean from that demon deal he made.
Where What If fails the most is that the original concept of the What If concepts is that those were always little, neat, stand alone stories that had interesting concepts and decent conclusions in the single issue, while this series wanted to do a weird crossover since the beggining, and also to be part of a setup for future series and movies, pretty much like the prevous Marvel Series. This is setup after setup after setup that we can't really have a moment to enjoy a series for what it is, Marvel thinks we must have a cliffhanger to keep us hooked but at the end it gets really tiring and annoying.
It just really seemed they didn't take anything seriously save for maybe a few bits of Ultron. It feels like we really haven't progressed far past the "would you prefer yellow spandex?" comments, like they're still too afraid to indulge in comic book stories because they're too silly for an honest effort
I loved what if! It was a bit rushed however feel many of the ideas were great but I did find myself wanting more! The animation was amazing, beautiful and inspiring. I’m going to do animation studies from this. The fight scenes were truly epic. I wanted the episodes to be at least double in length! I do agree that the pacing could have been better in general more would have been best. I decided too, and because the algorithm recommended it and I became curious. Good to see different opinions sometimes.
An MCU Anthology show is such a gangbuster of an idea, the show nearly coasts on the novelty of its premises and the stellar visuals alone. But the character writing and tonal whiplash really lets it down sadly often. For the first time in the MCU (for me anyway) characters really don’t feel like themselves. Sometimes that’s justified by the premise of the episode, but more often it isn’t and it feels like the writers just don’t have a grasp on who they’re writing for, or how to balance the drama and the comedy.
OMG Finally someone mentioned how some of the characters didn't feel like themselfs. Like Korath, who for some reason, becomes an annoying Star-Lord fanboy. In the movies he is a ruthless killer that clearly doesn't care much for others and has high respect for Ronan. But somehow, just because T'Challa is now on space, he becomes a goof ball of a character. The show doesn't even support this change as it is said that T'Challa saved Drax's world from a Ronan invasion, so by logic, T'Challa was literally going up AGAINST Korath AND Ronan, and he still became a fanboy... HOW ?? Maybe it's just me, but it feels really like they didn't even bother to search him up... just like they didn't bother searching up that Guardians 2 takes place BEFORE Age of Ultron, so Ego should have been dead already in the Ultron episode, and the Guardians should not have been on Sovereign as well...
@@redvitproductions2829 I don’t think Ego being alive in the Ultron episode is a problem- it’s pretty obvious The Watcher is pulling people out of time, as well as out of their own universes. He pulls Carter from 2014, Thor from 2010-2011, Killmonger from *2008,* while Ultron’s takeover happens in 2015.
@@redvitproductions2829 the Korath thing is definitely a problem though, and it feels like a symptom of the show’s obsession with forcing comic relief.
@@ThePonderer No, I meant that when Ultron got the Infinity Stones from Thanos (apparently in 2015) and went of his quest to destroy life on the universe, Ego was still alive, even though the Nexus event that split the universe had nothing to do with Ego or the Guardians. I can 100% guess that the person that wrote that did not knew that Guardians 2 took place before Age of Ultron, in 2014
At this point in the MCU, they deserve any and all criticism. It’s clear that they aren’t planning on ending the MCU anytime soon and during that time what the audience wants will change, so they need to be willing to change as well. People have already called out the formula, so Marvel needs to change the formula
I didn't like this show. Ultron was the biggest disappointment by far. Mostly due to lazy writing, James Spader's absence, and the character's quick death. Also the animation sucks ass. And, yeah, Doctor Strange's timey wimey stuff was dumb af. Holy crap, yes! The finale was so damn boring and inconsistent with Ultron's.. smarts. I hate it. And the stupid "killing off" of Ego, jeez.
Love your channel, i am a OG marvel reader, late 70s to present. This show is a dream come true as a reader of all the versions of this anthology comic, the shows stories do end abruptly much like I remember in the comic and most of the time the heroes take a huge L, tony stark always dies but that’s the comic not the MCU opinions vary. I didn’t love all the episodes especially the dr strange ep , 1 is my fav I am madly in love with Peggy all versions, let’s hope season 2 is better , please don’t give up on this show it can only get better, right? Captain Carter spin-off ,maybe? Peace
My theory got hulk and mark Ruffalo is when he day to nat "I put a bullit in my mouth and the other guy spit it out." I like to think that edward bortan fired the bullet destroying his face in the process, so then when hulk rebuilt it he rebuilt it wrong giving banner a new face."
Like Killmonger was 8 years earlier, there's no way he was more capable than OG Killmonger. They just made sure to draw him the same so that you don't think about it.
The main reason I liked what if was purely because i did not have to worry about the implications for the wider universe. It feels totally separate unlike the other 3 series we’ve been given. I also liked watching fights/situations that would never have happened eg. Captain Marvel vs Thor. Also i loved that Natasha was actually presented well, not just as ‘eye candy’ both her and Hawkeye felt like actual characters who did something. I actually felt invested in them. Lastly I loved Spider-man’s portrayal and why he’s so positive, it almost made me cry. But I found the whole show weirdly paced and most of the characters felt odd, and borderline boring.
It was really disappointing to me, the only marvel show I’ve liked so far is loki and falcon and winter soldier (the second one still had a lot of issues)
I really liked it because they explored alternate aspects of the characters. You know, How Peggy still loves Steve when he’s skinny and weak, T’Challa as an interstellar hero, Hank Pym as a serial killer, Stephen Strange’s extreme need for control, Vision as a creepy zombie-feeding murderer, Hope full of guilt after spreading a Zombie virus, Thor’s immaturity without Loki, Hawkeye’s dying optimism after losing his family to Ultron. Also, I don’t get how people complain that there’s too much Marcel content. You know you can choose what to watch, right?
What they should do for What If? Season 2 is use the episodes to really stick it to the fan fiction crowd and makes episodes that showcase why certain things the fans think they want just would not work. The way DC did in the 90's with the Reign of the Supermen, Knightfall and Emerald Twilight. All of those stories ended up showcasing why edgelord versions of our heroes are not what we wanted. (Eradicator, Cybrog Superman, AzBat and Parallax). So do that with What If. Create compelling stories that show why we love these heroes the way they are and not the way we think we'd want them.
you see we already had marvel mcu zombies with a manga called Zombies Assemble what was a what if with the mcu style universe with zombies and i honestly think it did it better than the show but i really enjoyed that ep
I disagree on the what if dr strange time travel point as it would be like the grandfather paradox, you won’t be able to change the future by killing your grandfather yourself as you wouldn’t exist to go back in time to kill him. So if Christine never died, dr strange wouldn’t go back in time to save Christine hence creating a paradox. Altho I agree with the third act really made everything disappointing mcu has fudged the third act in too many phase 4 movies and shows. COVID would really explain why this has happened a lot. And you’re not ragging on it considering the 90s Spider-Man animated show and the batman animated show, what if was some of the most wasted potential among all the mcu projects, even more than the eternals dumpster fire.
Nah Tony has it super rough in Episode 3 as well, he gets killed right after reaching his most pathetic and pitiful point as Tony Stark and Iron Man. Edit: my only issue with episode 3 is Hank, his performance, writing, and design is bad imo. Like I like Michael Douglas, and I think this version of the character is plausible, and Hank has been the Yellowjacket in the comics, but the execution felt hamfisted and over the top.
Wait wait! I disagree with the Party Thor episode. that episode felt like a 90s sitcom, like a high schooler cleaning up a party before mom gets home. I feel like the rick and morty episode that did the same thing was genuinely funny because it made multiple random and creative characters to laugh at. In Party Thor its mostly references about characters thru out the mcu partying and The only original one was Ice Troll Loki, which was great! And then yeah the Captain Marvel/ Thor / DBZ fight was still awesome but just sayin 👌
I also much preferred episode 4 because of how of much more interesting it was compared to 3 and made much more sense than Hank Pym somehow killing the hulk
Honestly you described the comic marvel zombies really awful. Its not just a zombie setting in the marvel universe, in marvel zombies almost all the heros get turned into zombies but they keep their intelligents, emotions and thoughts. They can talk to each other, and that makes it much more scary because they still have their zonbie urges to eat humans. This episode just did an awful adaptation. In marvel zobies we didn't follow a surviver but the zombies themselfs. Also spiderman was the best character in that comic because he was one of the only onces that tried to fight his urges and not eat people, here he was just a surviver that made lots of unfunny puns.
My Tier List of What If...? (From best to worst) ------------------------------------------- 1.) "What If... Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?" ------------------------------------------- 2.) "What If... T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?" ------------------------------------------- 3.) "What If... Ultron Won?" ------------------------------------------- 4.) "What If... the Watcher Broke His Oath?" ------------------------------------------- 5.) "What If... Zombies?!" ------------------------------------------- 6.) "What If... Thor Were an Only Child?" ------------------------------------------- 7.) "What If... Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?" ------------------------------------------- 8.) "What If... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?" ------------------------------------------- 9.) What If... the World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?"
Regarding the Strange episode. Steins;Gate does the same premise but a lot better, but it does work bar the pacing which is the biggest problem with the series. Still, you've managed to fill a long video with a lot of babble and very little good criticism. I didn't enjoy the show that much, but I expected better arguments.
Uh no. You’re not allowed to criticize marvel. You must praise marvel blindly and call every tv show and movie “a masterpiece unlike anything you’ve seen before a cinematic triumph the best marvel thing ever” -every marvel shill/sheep/paid critic
@@justareader____ I think Marval definitely reached it's peak in Endgame. While I did like Wandavision, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Spider-Man No Way Home, and Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Endgame did really feel like the end of the MCU for me.
You're too negative on this one. Going in blind, What If far exceeded my expectations. One of the few recent MCU projects that was actually *ambitious*
Phase 4 has been the worst phase. Even the Russo brothers have said as much. Disney has had a really difficult time producing quality product for the last couple years with one or two notable exceptions
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Instead of saying your opinion is trash,i will tell my opinion in a very nice way
Ngl im going to say this as nice as possible but Listen here 1: none of your reasoning makes any sense and it really sounds like your hating on the series. 2: we are here to watch your reasoning not listen to your sponsor thats already in your description 3: Also to prove your hating on the series your video is 45 minutes long when it didnt need to be it only needed to be like 3-10 mins. 4: Marvel had actually put a lot of work into the series and i agree with you on some of the episodes being horrible (cough cough Killmoger saving tony) Dude seriously i understand you dont like the series and all and you can tell that to your fans but you dont have to tell them every single little detail to hate on it because your jealous (this isnt a hate comment just a tip of advise)
ok i also noticed you like to discarnate everything else too but seriously dude people put a lot of work into these please stop discriminating them and making 45 minute long videos about how horrible they are even if they are horrible
I dont get your ultron being another thanos. We see that Ultron is unhinged, he destroys all life. Thanos snapped half of all life.
What If? Gave us a look at what an actual *AGE OF ULTRON* looked like. Not a few days with Ultron.
"Weekend at Ultrons"
@@rhodrage lol this comment made my day
@@rhodrage lol
Five nights at Ultron's
@@MorganEdgy lmao
Honestly the biggest issue was pacing. Animation was always on point and some of the stories were interesting but I really wanted to see more and explore some of them. And while some like captain Carter will get that I doubt stuff like killmonger will and that saddens a
They were meant to be twice as long but covid cut it in half, not to mention the Gamora kills Thanos episode was cut :/ just wondering what could’ve been is catastrophic
The animation was always competent, but average at best. I can’t believe they’d release Star Wars Visions, a show with so many wildly different, beautiful, and imaginative art styles, within the same two months as something as bland, uninspired, and safe-looking as What If.
Be fair, it's not like the What If comics were ever any more satisfying
It was more than that...most of the stories just lacked creativity. Honestly, the only thing which rescued the series was the finale, because that one was quite clever and did a lot about the "bleakness" of it all.
And I will never forgive them for basically making Peggy a female Steve instead of actually exploring how SHE as a character would act in various situation. Or for the fridging episode, because apparently the only reason for a "hero" to get of the rail can be a women. Or the idioce "Nebula should forgive the guy who killed half of her planet, kidnapped her and abused her for years" thing.
I actually didn’t really like the animation and thought it was sub par
I have 2 criticisms regarding Dr Strange comments:
1. The story and fixed point concept are based on "The Time Machine" so wouldn't be that weird to many viewers.
2. He didn't go evil. He was motivated by selfishness. He's not redeemed cos if he had the chance to save her again he might try it at the expense of others.
He had tho, Killmonger presented him a chance with the infinity stones and he knows it’d work
@@igntiusnghw shoot I forgot about that
I mean by that logic thanos isn't evil he was motivated by a misguided cause that believed can save the universe crisis
@@thatjackass1403
The best villains are written with misguided good intentions. Evil for evil sake isn't interesting.
That's why this episode was better then given credit for.
Plus Edge of Tomorrow had a runtime almost 4 times, so it's not a fair comparison.
@@thatjackass1403 Fair enough. I still think he wasn't evil as he wasn't intentionally trying to destroy the universe but rather destruction was born out of negligence.
For someone who watches a lot of dr who, you don’t recognize a paradox when you see it. Strange can’t save Christine because her death makes him who he currently is. It’s the equivalent of 9 and Rose’s episode where they save her dad, but instead of a “you shouldn’t save her”, it’s a “you can’t save her”
Yeah I thought the same. If she didn’t die then he wouldn’t become a wizard. It’s also like fate. He was maybe always meant to become ‘evil’ . I think it is plausible that he can never save no matter which methods he took. But did use every method ie eating peoples’ life force. And does ‘save’ her the cost was too high . Felt like he didn’t really get the episode or missed the point.
The problem is that we come from a universe where the rules is that changing te past create branches so why did Christine need to die out of nowhere?
Wouldn't the branch were Strange won keep intact and he could defeat Dormamu in the new one?
My favourite dr who episode👍🏾
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Something something Time Stone.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Not quite. That universe in and of itself was one set branch with a specific conclusion. Different time branches have their own set ups and payoffs, so if you try to change the course of one, you are eliminating the need for another and breaking what’s set in stone for your own timeline-Hence, paradox.
I feel like the Killmonger story would of been a little more interesting if it was in the same universe as the T’Challa Star-Lord universe.
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Low key that would’ve been hella fire to see. T’challa star lord face yo face with the Golden Jaguar. Would been cool
@@ruffusisthebest7880 I didn’t know golden jaguar was the name
@@zyberman8108 It’s not official, but when you see Kill monger (mostly in the movie) he looks more golden then a black panther. So I personally call him the Golden Jaguar as a contrast to T’challa’s Black panther
@@ruffusisthebest7880 I think that’s the actual name. I see videos calling it that
The Doctor Strange and Ultron episodes were peak, the murder mystery following as a runner up, and the finale is bottom tier due to its awful writing and power scaling.
Totally not like they were all protected and amped by Dr Strange’s magic, not like Strange Supreme is beyond normal Dr Strange and took the time stone beyond its limits accidentally breaking his universe but yeah it has bad power scaling lol
But I agree it had some disappointing and lazy writing in the end not giving us some interesting stories like dark celestial Peter Quill
the power scaling is fucking horrendous like "oh no im going through the crust of a fucking planet down to its core being pushed by captain fucking marvel and what pierces my eye? A FUCKING ARROW SHOT BY A FUCKING HUMAN"
@@technica7788 Totally not like Hawkeye’s arrows are high tech able to damage Ultron drones, aliens, and other shit not to mention it’s made to transfer into machines and such but also it hit his unprotected eyes under the Vibranium mask and he was off guard so the stones were not active yet also think that the human matters in this situation much compared to the arrow itself.
I mean it is a bit of a stretch in some aspects to an extent but it’s very easy to use context to point out how it’s not as ridiculous and nonsensical as you made it out to be with your simple 0 detail complaint about it.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls welll heres the thing his arrows has never ever ever pierced visions body, also ultron resisted the pressure of captain marvel pushing him to the cpre of the fucking earth an arrow will not do shit to ultron
@@technica7788 Body=eyes? No lol his body is a vibranium mesh like mix with organic/synthetic material but idk wtf his eyes are made out of lol
I don’t remember what arrows do to his body in the MCU if anything at all besides use abilities to mess with him yet either way it is an eye shot not body shot
Yeah the pressure was to his solid vibranium mask not his eyes and it was more so to his head not the eyes in the mask anyways
So if I’m being fair there isn’t any feats for or against this cuz the eyes are featless so it’s hard to say for sure yet Ultron Drones got their eyes pierced so narratively it isn’t a massive reach.
Either way this is more so a nitpick tbh
There’s worse or more questionable power scaling in other episodes like the Black Order hurting Thanos at all which is bullshit but I guess this thanos is weaker cuz he is a nice guy since in End Game the directors said the younger thanos is in his prime cuz he’s still in his War Lord days yet this is an example of bad power scaling.
Also Thanos in the zombie episode gets bit and infected yet Hulk didn’t, like Hulk not being infected isn’t bad cuz of his biology with genetic resistances but the bites didn’t even break his skin and he fought Scarlet Witch which is confusing since in Infinity War it’s said by the directors that Thanos and Hulk are equal (even tho it’s wrong by the feats) yet Hulk is more durable, and Wanda who could kill Thanos doesn’t quickly Kill Hulk is weird cuz that would make him stronger, tho in the finale Wanda was around still so maybe she beat the Hulk eventually either way these are some scaling inconsistencies unless Hulk got stronger it’s bs lol
Yando’s arrow being able to break Hela’s Crown is also bs I don’t think I need to explain why so this is bad too, the only excuse I can think of is that it’s not her level without her yet idk it isn’t explained or implied so it’s bad scaling too
I could try to think of more but those are the worst imo tbh
Captain Marvel vs Phase 1 Thor would be bs if it if wasn’t clear she was holding back she even says so, and the power she is using is compared to 10 nukes which is in the range of that Thor who made a storm in avengers which was city level and later in AoU he does a Mountain level feat destroying the city in the sky.
So there are disappointing things just the power scaling isn’t really bad in the last two episodes there are other episodes with more solid issues.
I said that Ed Norton being a variant thing on Reddit and got absolutely roasted for it. Apparently it's stupid to explain away a recast like that and makes the original film pointless somehow.
Naw. You’re right!! (EDIT: about the variant thing)
The original film isn't pointless. Explaining recastings in-universe is.
@@garrettwhite5943 That's not what was said. What was said is what I've written. That's what they meant.
And it's just a bit of fun, not everything needs a point.
@@rhodrage that's exactly what you said
reddit sucks , its a conversation site that actively discourages conversation with bullshit karma system that can easily be abused , and asshole dicktator moderaters/admins and their dicktator CEO steve fuckman.
14:30 She had a heart attack. You see her grabbing her chest and gasping? Idk what the confusion is. Even if she isn't killed by external forces, time/fate still kills her off because that's the premise
If you wanna see a failing to save someone death loop Steins;Gate is the best place to look
@@Punished_Luna it was supposed to give you the same sad desperation that strange is feeling.
@@Punished_Luna love Stien’s gate
@@Punished_Luna Operation Elpsycongroo
Lol, the TVA kept killing her.
Wow, I felt the exact opposite, I had 0 expectations for this series and the beginning didn't interest me much, but once we got to the Doctor Strange episode, that was INSANE, way better than anything I expected from a show like this, and then it happened again in the Ultron episode. So this show really blew away my expectations, but not as much as WandaVision
Same, this show far exceeded my expectations, not sure what the man was expecting
Absolutely loved the Dr strange episode and the Ultron episode. The final episode, however, disspointed me. I felt as though they completely nerfed ultron. In one episode making him so powerful that he can slice through thanos with 4 infinity stones in a single hit, or break through the 4th wall and fight (and beat) the watcher. Only for the next episode to be b*tch slapped by characters like killmonger and black widow.
And yes, yes. I understand that they were being protected by Stranges power, but still. The whole "guardians of the multiverse" thing was very cheesy. I personally wouldve preferred it to focus on Strange vs Ultron, rather than the pacing be constantly interrupted by thors quips, and seeing him have to carry the whole team and prevent them from instantly dying every two minutes.
Okay I watched the full thing to make sure you didn't bring it up like you referenced. The reason the zombies episode ends the way it does is that its an homage to the way Dawn of the Dead ends, one of the most famous zombie movies ever. The survivors find a helicopter and fly off into the sunset, in an ambiguous "maybe they make it, maybe they don't" type of ending, which I think is the perfect way to end a zombies storyline.
@lforc I think that's only one horde of zombies that were teleported to Ultron
But that is kind of the problem, isn't it? It was pretty much a standard Zombie plot, utterly predictable up to the end.
@@swanpride aren’t all zombie stories though?
@@filipman Yeah, but other zombie stories can't build on a pre-existing world with Superheroes and Aliens.
@@filipman yh thats what made the Marvel Comics version good
The marvel zombies episode made me realize that the entire show are cool ass concepts with terrible direction and pacing. Half the show just feels unfinished plot wise. To the point where it’s puzzling on some episodes.
They focused too much on having Whamen leading the way and saving the day.
@@the_gratefulgamer you don’t like women or something? Don’t come out of the closet to me lol.
13:00 Have you not seen The Time Machine or Stien's Gate? Protagonist's girl keeps getting killed by time/fate is a time travel trope I love & I enjoyed seeing it in the MCU.
And I wouldn't say Strange went evil. He did evil things trying to save the woman he loved but once he failed he's still the same guy. That's why in the final episode he is like normal strange.
I have a general problem with the common use of "redemption". The term is far far far to commonly used in incorrect places. Strange never redeems himself for destroying his universe. Redemption would require him to be sorry for what he's done (which he is) & to take steps to either reverse it (he can't) or to never do it again (we presume he will do this but a redemption arc will be showing Stranges journey to process his bad decision & live with the regret).
What we get in the finale is a Strange who's destroyed his universe & is forced to live with that. He's a morally grey character because the extremes he was willing to go. He's not redeemed merely because he's fighting with the good guys in this circumstance. Like I just said, his redemption wouldn't require him to learn how to help people & fight Ultron--because he is basically the same Strange as the MCU--the only difference is the fact is became obssesed with saving Christine and was willing to destroy a universe for her. That's his grey-ness.
I can't believe you never mentioned that Daniel Craig broke his leg in Spectre.
It was fun seeing all these wacky scenarios get animated and that's all I wanted. I wasn't disappointed by the shallow story because I didn't expect much else.
You know I really just didn't think much of this series at all. Not that I didn't like it, or that it disappointed me, I just had a hard time caring about it at all (except for Chadwick Boseman's last performance). It did absolutely nothing for me.
Cool so you just don't care. Like it is a TV series. People who care are people who care, and people who don't care because they though everything should be over after the Infinity Saga
@@loljay3281 just expressing my opinion buddy! It just took my by surprise because it's the first MCU project I've felt that way about. I love everything that's come after endgame so far (exception being BW which I still like).
@Get REKT yeah man... it's a problem. I love the MCU so much but I'm more than willing to recognize faults in its content, of which there are many. It's also very okay to not like something. It's all subjective.
The What If Ultron Won was great.
I only really enjoyed 4 and 8, it's awfully confusing to me what you're talking about with Strange being redeemed, like he was literally doomed to an eternity of nothingness, with the combined personality of the two halves of himself coming out to help and then returning to nothingness, seems like quite a punishment rather than any redemption. it was baffling to me that you liked 3 tbh, as it seemed to just throw random shit together for no reason, the reveal is stupidly obvious, and it contributes nothing to the overall story, which is also a problem with 5 even though they make a brief appearance in the finale. 3,5, 6, and 9 all had massive pacing issues, just hopping all over the place because of the time constraints, Killmonger being the worst victim; with it just stopping out of nowhere. One of 4's strengths was that it counteracted that perfectly, by having a mechanic which can be rushed, being the time loop. This allows it to have the emotional impact it deserves while still conforming to the time frame.
I totally understand that the writing fell flat in What If- but as a big fan of animation, they knocked it out of the park. The art is phenomenal and it really pushed the artistic direction of the MCU to better and greater heights. I really wanted this show to be a success so that marvel would focus more on its art direction and possible create more high-budget animated shows and movies.
The animation, voice acting, and a few high points definitely give me hope that a season 2, less rushed, and taking on board some of the constructive criticism, could be great.
@@TheDelinear s1 wasnt meant to be as rushed, all the eps were meant to be 1 hour long, so chances are s2 will be wayyyy better
Really? I thoroughly enjoyed it, the Dr. Strange, Zombies and Ultron episodes honestly being the best of them all.
Zombies was where it lost me, a true representation of Marvel trying to be too funny and predictably boring
@@aedanmannion it was inspired by the actual comic
@@thatsjuancooldude9409 not really because in the comic the zombified characters still talk and have personality. It’s focused on them not the rag tag group of survivors
@@thatsjuancooldude9409 not at all really, aside from the most basic concept and a nod or two
@@aedanmannion the black panther concept, “the best part of the episode” was from the comic
My main problem with What if, is that the scenarios are not at all interesting compared to the comic counterpart. They could've done some crazy things but decided to be lazy with it. In the comics, they have big stuff like 'What if Uncle Ben never died?' Stuff like that has huge ramifications. I think one they should've gone more into was what if certain characters didn't die. The biggest one being quicksilver for me. I would love to see the events of end game and civil war playout with him around. Disappointed in what we got.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your assessment of the quality of the Killmonger episode, but I do disagree with your take on the character or lack of differences from MCU Killmonger. “What If…?”is about the universe that we know that has one diverging point that leads to the changes that we see. In Episode 6, that diverging point was Killmonger saving Tony. Everything that turned Erik Stevens into Killmonger still happened, thus his character is still the same. It would be hard to buy that a character who is fueled by rage and hatred at how black people are treated by the world, particularly America to learn a softer approach from Tony Star,k, a symbol of that same power structure that Killmonger hates so much. The best he could learn from Tony was a more nuanced take where these issues are more layered in the sense that he realizes that Tony wants to do good, but doesn’t understand the full weight of his actions. I still think he would be resolute in killing Tony for his mission because he was that committed.
Creating outreach programs is something T’Challa comes up with after recognizing that Wakanda could and should do more. That solution comes from a different place because T’Challa had a much different upbringing than Killmonger, one without that same rage and hatred. T’Challa listens to Nakia’s idea because T’Challa isn’t weighed down by pain like Killmonger. Killmonger wanted the world to feel the same pain that he did, so that Killmonger, as presented to us, would never create programs designed for more peaceful ends.
Completely agree. Killmonger is still Killmonger. The key difference here, is he had a way to execute his plan better and win. Which it’s the premise of the episode you feel? WHAT IF Killmonger won, is pretty much the name of the episode lmao.
Tony’s influence was definitely not gonna change him, especially because this Tony should be the one that still makes weapons and didn’t get that whole treatment to become a hero. He’s still the same play boy genius who makes weapons, he isn’t really a good guy.
Exactly. It's the same reason why the question "Why doesn't Thanos double resources?" is so dumb: because Thanos is a genocidal nutcase! He doesn't care about making things better, he just wants to be proven right! Kilmonger is similar: he doesn't really want to "help people," he wants to cause pain for those he perceives as evil.
Exactly. "The difference between you and I is you don't understand there is a difference between you and I".
I could have just dismissed What If as another "meh" Phase 4 project, but seeing Ultron finally being done justice after the letdown of Age of Ultron made me love it. Zombies was pretty cool too
Yea What If was gas, not sure what he wanted
In the words of Max Lord, “it is good, but it could be better.”
One of my favorite parts was when Zola's consciousness merged with that Ultron shell. Zola finally got to do something good. Also, can we be honest and say it suited his personality. The efficient design of the Ultron form, merged with the intellect of Zola was spot on! Also the green effect throughout it was a really nice touch. And the follow through at the end was good too I think. I was wondering if they'd forgot about it for abit, but they came through with it, and I think it rewarding.
I agree
I have to say, I do miss the old format for video essays. This "Talk to the Camera" has its place, but it just feels cheaper. It's not bad or anything, one is just more appealing.
I don’t know why they felt the need to tie it all together in a really stupid way at the end. I really liked each episode being it’s own thing.
@Karine Prusalyan how do u know that tho
I disagree that's it's stupid, but I do agree that they really should of leave each story as it's own thing.
Gotta disagree with you on this one chief. Tachala Star Lord was one of my favourite things ive seen in a while. There was a couple episodes that weren't as interesting but overall i thougherly enjoyed just having fun with the marvel universe
That universe is dead because no one will be able to stop Ego
I found it boring, like it's "what if star lord was perfect in every way" which to be is not interesting at all because there's no struggle.
@@notatroll7128 why? T'challa rescued Peter and while Ego will probably try to come after him again, they can still fight back. They might figure out a way to stop him eventually.
@@KnightRaymund That is not true to T Challa either he is not jesus ok
Remember when he went after Bucky for no reaso at all Remember
when he threatened Cap that he would kill Bucky no matter what Cap do ,
like a teenager
Remember Move Captain
@@uvindukulathunga3860 why'd you reply to me with that?
9. Avengers gone
8. Killmonger and Iron Man
7. Captain Carter
6. Thor as an only child
5. Zombies
4. T’Challa as Star Lord (my ranking is very close to “if Ultron won”; not sure which is better)
3. What if Ultron won
2. Final episode
1. Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands (one of the best things the MCU has ever produced)
Thor is the worst bruh and imo the finale was worse than t'challa's episode and ultron winning
Honestly shocked that you didn’t enjoy the Dr Strange one, personally I find that one to be the strongest episode by far. Although calling parts of it comical was a bit much I think. Especially when in the previous episode Hulk pops like a balloon. Seriously that moment kills all momentum for me in that one and just becomes a Looney Tunes cartoon at that point.
I do 100% agree with your opinion on the finale. I didn't need What If? to end with some big epic crossover everything on the line final battle. We get that with the MCU main. Really wanted this to just be fun palate cleanser anthology series but we didn't get that.
One of the most goofy, frustrating things about What If, is that it regularly relies on "one-upping" and humiliating established characters in order to "empower" the new iterations. Some examples:
Red Skull and Hydra are made a complete joke in the Captain Carter episode -- Red Skull is crushed like a bug in a silly, humiliating moment (even though, if Carter was strong enough to push the beast into the portal, Red Skull should have been strong enough to resist getting crushed, since his strength should be equal).
In the T'Challa as StarLord episode, Thanos is turned into a goofy goober by getting wiped out by his Black Order (even though he took on the Hulk, as well as the three lead Avengers, solo, without utilizing the gauntlet). For bonus points, Thanos was simply convinced out of his genocidal plan by T'Challa, even though the entire leadership of Titan failed in convincing him.
In the same episode, Peter Quill is low-key mocked by having him be a Dairy Queen employee at the age of 34. Peter is kind of a goof in Guardians of the Galaxy, but that is at least partly due to the fact that he was essentially raised by savage Ravagers, and didn't get much of an education, so he's kind of immature and airheaded. The What If episode, however, just makes him come across as a loser with no higher aspirations, which is made worse by the fact that, despite the Ego tease, he ends up getting saved by T'Challa five seconds later. I also doubt that Ego would have resorted so quickly to draining Peter -- the only reason Peter turned on Ego in GOTG2, was because Ego made the dumb mistake of admitting he killed his mother.
One final thing that bugged the hell out of me, was the fact that Thor is getting more stupid with every new appearance. Thor was never an intellectual, but Party Thor suggests that without Loki, the God of Thunder would become an absolute idiot. Seriously, this guy has access to the best education on Asgard (he took the language of Groot as an elective) over thousands of years, and he sounds like an absolute dumbass.
One of the only things I liked about What If as a whole, was Ultron, although honestly, he needs to come back in the main MCU movies, because he is just so cool.
All great examples - it made me sad reading all of that and being reminded. Peter Quill got absolutely bodied. Wtf happened to Thanos?!
I agree with everything you’ve said here, it’s the same way I’ve felt about What If...? I gave up after zombies and glad I reserved my attention for other shows. They definitely should have pushed the show into 2022 if they needed more time.
I think Phase 4 of the MCU has really exposed the weaknesses it already had. Although Phase 4 is Marvel firing on all cylinders, that also means they are reaching their highest highs, but also their lowest lows. For me, I have really enjoyed all of the series they have released except for a few notable exceptions. WandaVision was great until the finale, Falcon and the Winter Soldier was great all the way through in my opinion, and Loki was amazing through and through (except for the third episode). I enjoyed most of the What If episode except for Killmonger, Party Thor, and that finale. On the film side, Shang-Chi was fire, Spider-Man No Way Home is looking like it's going to be SPECTACULAR. And despite the low Rotten Tomatoes score, I'm really excited for Eternals and I think it's going to be one of my favorite MCU films to date. I'm not sure why the critics are ragging on it so much, though. I guess I'll find out on November 5th. However, I thought Black Widow really dropped the ball for me - the most of any 2021 MCU project. And I'm not sure why it's highly rated - apart from the chemistry and emotional opening sequence, that film had a poor, predictable, and strange story, a weak villain (did we really need a Russian Harvey Weinstein that had a bad Russian accent to boot?) and an unfortunate CGI-fest finale for a film that perhaps needed the LEAST amount of VFX or spectacle. I think Black Widow really missed the mark because they tried to up the stakes, scope, and scale so much that they lost sight of who Natasha was at her core: a super-spy, with emphasis on spy badassery. If they had removed that base flying in the sky, and made Black Widow do more Black Widow things, and focused on making things REAL and PHYSICAL, they could have made the film one of the most raw and nail-biting MCU films ever.
The main reason why the original Marvel Zombies comics were so intetesting is because the zombies were the protagonists and they were shown to be a lot more intelligent, and how much of a mental and emotional struggle they had when eating people. Having at least one of them to get "freed" from the Hunger and get added to the final teamup would have been a lot cooler.
The only real issue I had with it myself was the animation. Mostly in the movements. There were times when I was seeing a character move or their facial expressions that just didn't seem right to me 🤔
Yeah I also felt that the animation was weak and felt very off. The bad lip sync also bothered me too
My favorite was the doctor strange one. My take on the fixed point concept is that it isn't arbitrary, but rather a reflection of the true point of divergence: that in this universe, Dr. Strange loved Christine more than his skill as a surgeon. In each timeline, to be spurred on his journey to becoming doctor strange, he had to lose what he loved most, and the fixed point isn't some arbitrary limit but a reflection on how if Christine didn't die, he would have never undertaken that journey, creating a paradox that the universe would have to solve in any way that it could.
Lots of valid commentary. I really like the idea of Bucky as the lead in the zombies episode and think he would have had a hilarious double act with Doctor Strange’s cloak. The cloak is the most underrated Avenger ❤️
I agree the series could be better. I think that comparing "Edge of tomorrow" with the dr Strange episode is unfair. They use different concepts. They used "The time machine" idea of time healing itself. That was the reason why time travel wasn’t enough. The character from "Edge of tomorrow" wasn't bind by physics of the universe.
Is Everybody On The Internet IHE Now Since I'VE HEARD LITERALLY NOTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ANYTHING RECENTLY!
The doctor strange episode was by far the best thing to come out of the show and in my own ranking of the entire MCU, is set apart from the rest of what if on its own
I'd have named this video "What If Marvel Disappointed Me"
Imo, Marvel Zombies episode was just Out of Tone, and Too many Jokes going on with too many "Funny" Characters.
It's a Fun Episode, but it could have been better.
If they did it in a tone similar to The Walking Dead it probably would have been better. But the constant jokes and too many funny characters just ruined it for me.
@@melissalayson7275 especially when they had that scene of Spider-Man Happily making a Streaming Video and explaining survival with Happy Hogan.
It made him look like he has Bipolar, due to how inappropriate it is to be overly Happy at a Moment that everyone is dying and Aunt May is probably being eaten.
@@baligong3592 Agreed the only character who taking threat of zombies seriously was Okey. And that's because her actress Danai Gurira also played Michonne in the Walking Dead too.
The one I'm more conflicted about is Marvel Zombies, every other episode is a clear "like it" or "hate it", but MZ is such a weird episode.
The moment that caused me the most confusion was the scene where Scott saw his last remaining friend get eaten, yet his only reaction is cracking a joke.
It was like he lost his heart, really
This was a great video, although I disagreed with your final point, yes although parts of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Black Widow, What If..., and Eternals were less than I would have expected, I still found myself enjoying them. I think that the goods however outweigh the mediocre. I absolutely loved Wandavision, Loki, and Shang-Chi, and I am highly anticipating No Way Home this upcoming Thursday. Overall, I love what Marvel has been able to do this year and I personally don’t feel over saturated.
"If someone had Ant-Man technology it would... it would be *piss!* to kill off Tony Stark"
That made me laugh really hard.
I disagree with the thing about Strange, just because he has all that power doesn't mean he can do anything, and I also think it ties into the ending of the series, my headcanon is that the reason why that moment in time couldn't be changed was because Strange had to gain all that power and knowledge to beat Ultron and keep him prisoner along with Kilmonger,
I enjoyed episode 3 and was incredibly meh on literally everything else. But episode 3 was a murder mystery which I love, and had Fury being great and also Loki, so I'm biased.
The first half of the finale was engaging as well, I guess, with Nat and Clint.
Based
I actually really enjoyed the Frat-Boy Thor episode! It was kind of fun to see what Jane and Thor’s interactions could have been like with the less serious version of Thor that we’ve had since Ragnarok
All me and my friends wanted for the finale was Ultron with the a couple of infinity stones vs Thanos with a couple of infinity stones.
Like intron was created for the sole purpose to defend against threats such as Thanos. So it would be super cool if there was an age of ultron vs mega chad Thanos.
There are episodes that I really loved, Peggy becoming captain America, doctor strange becoming evil, and especially tachalla becoming starlord were big stand outs to me. The others not so much, it wasn't bad for marvel's first big budget animated series, still I definitely share some of your feelings. Good video 👍
Only thing I wanna say bout your comment is that strange didn't turn evil he was just extremely selfish and not emotionally mature he didn't destroy his universe for malicious intent as in the end he pleads to the watcher to change it he was willing to give himself to fix it proving it wasn't his intent, he did it out of love, strange, twisted, obsessive love but love nonetheless evil people aren't motivated by that factor as proven in like any movie, that's the end of my spiel, I didn't mean for it to come across as anything negative just informative have a nice day
@@thesecond3219 that was my bad, probably should have worded that better, thanks for the comment.
@@rogueguardian no problem dudd
This serie is bad
I loved the what if series. Got 10x better after the first episode
Rewatching those clips of the Thor vs Captain Marvel fight just makes me want another Marvel vs Capcom game on the level of 3.
Or just a Marvel fighting game on the level of MvsC3
I'm starting to think I'll never agree with anything you say but gosh darn I like the way you say it
Same here
I think I get where you're coming from, but this hit for me more than Falcon and Winter Soldier or Black Widow and like half Loki and WandaVision. I really liked doing different things that weren't super consequential and I appreciated things coming together to make it a completed little story if there wasn't a Season 2. Absolutely, I think they should have pushed it back to get more done, but I rarely ever felt disappointed by any of the episodes. The only real standout disappointing episode to me was the Zombies one because of how imbalanced the tone was, but everything else with What If worked for me. Sorry you didn't enjoy it like you hoped, but we're really starting to get to the point where not everything is going to hit for everybody in the MCU anymore. When it was just the movies, I think most people could probably agree if something was good or not, and then there were the few people that hated everything or loved everything regardless, but with the shows, we're really starting to see some differentiation. At least you're not being a jerk about it and that's all anyone should hope when it comes to differing opinions.
My favourite was the doctor strange one, it was an interesting exploration of grief and how easy it can be for people to be driven to questionable means to stop the pain
It's interesting how I agree with your conclusion but disagree about every episode. If you liked an episode, I hated it. If you hated it, most probably I loved it.
But yeah, disappointing overall.
The only episodes I genuinly liked were Thor's and Killmonger's what if. And I'm biased towards the latter because Killmonger is one of my favorite characters. Comparing him to most other MCU entries, I struggle to even call most of everyone else 'characters'.
Facts
*Oh boy. Here we go.*
again*^
I swear this guy is cool but extremely critical lmao, plus a bit biased ofc when it comes to his Spider-Man
I was hoping for marvel’s version of black mirror. Instead we get a pretty odd show that felt like it didn’t even know the characters it was “adapting”
That’s cool. But like almost everything disappoints you lately it seems
It would have been far better as a true anthology instead of having a plot that lasted multiple episodes. Still treat them all as cannon and maybe even tie them together in one single season finale, but each exploring a separate what if to the max would’ve been far more compelling.
Too improve the ‘Zombies!?’ episode. I agree with it should’ve been one and Bucky would’ve worked awesome. Just having him go around fighting off heroes and getting more hero gear
If the multiverse is infinite, why not just pull a team of infinity gaunlet wielding avengers?
A bunch of infinity gauntlet wielding doctor stranges
I liked that we got the individual stories in their own universes and then we also got the surprise of them teaming up at the end. It's not like it was advertised that that was gonna happen before episode 8, so for me at least it was a nice surprise. And I dont see what's the point in being upset that they teamed up at the end. You got their individual stories and then a little extra at the end if you're into that sort of thing. The alternative is just another solo story at the end and u didn't seem to care for most of those anyway so at least this was a change of pace and like I said, a nice surprise. And if it's not for you then you can just act like it didn't happen, unlike the MCU they arent gonna build the next season off that team up so u can pretend all those characters stories ended where they did
Honestly, it really feels the MCU was never meant to continue past Endgame. Like Far from Home was good but I have no interest in anything else and No way home taking the multiverse route worries me. Not really a What if specific thing but just a post-endgame MCU thing
I was wrong to be worried about No way home, it was brilliant
Your main criticism of What If is that it had to lead up to a similar story as the main MCU, it's a lot like my main criticism of Loki: that it was part of the MCU because there were a few episodes that had tons of potential for at least 3 more but the story sped right on past these interesting concepts in favour of continuing the MCU story.
One of the biggest problems with this series is that this was supposed to really introduce the multiverse and give slight context to almost everything that follows
Keep making hundreds of videos and you'll get fatigued lol I mean seriously 😂 we had 2 mcu movies the past two years. You got fatigued because you're OBSESSED with making videos. I mean you made one based on a trailer for crying out loud. No wonder TH-camrs constantly bring up "superhero fatigue" because you fools don't enjoy them properly. It's a job for you now lol what did you expect my man ?
There's 50 new videos every single day just talking about background shit like we give a fuck. Do you realize how many people skip over videos you've spent days making? They're POINTLESS. You spend countless hours on a video we can't stand to finish. IT'S NO WONDER YOU'RE EXHAUSTED. I would've smashed my keyboard and become just a fan 😂😂 I get it tho, much better than working a 9-5
The episodes, especialy party Thor, felt almost like a Cartoon Network show. However, the benefit of CN shows is they have like 20 episodes per season so the good episodes overshadow the bad a lot more. The main example I can think of is Ben10.
What If had what... 8 episodes? It needed more episodes honestly.
The Doctor Strange episode was the only one I was really into. I felt like the plot was done better in Two Distant Strangers, but I still thought Marvel pulled it off really beautifully in the end. I also liked the episode where the avengers died, but I zoned out the moment Nick Fury slapped Hank Pym. Otherwise I kinda just dealt with it cause it marvel.
My favorite episodes were the Doctor Strange one and The Watcher vs Ultron one. I'm a sucker for magical battles.
What i didn't get about Dr Strange episode is that, if Christine's death is a fixing point in the timeline, then she should be dead in the main universe
Yeah I didn't get that part either when I watched the Dr Strange episode. At least in Supernatural's Mystery Spot the Dean Winchester death time loop was the Trickster teaching Sam a lesson that couldn't save his brother Dean from that demon deal he made.
Where What If fails the most is that the original concept of the What If concepts is that those were always little, neat, stand alone stories that had interesting concepts and decent conclusions in the single issue, while this series wanted to do a weird crossover since the beggining, and also to be part of a setup for future series and movies, pretty much like the prevous Marvel Series. This is setup after setup after setup that we can't really have a moment to enjoy a series for what it is, Marvel thinks we must have a cliffhanger to keep us hooked but at the end it gets really tiring and annoying.
It just really seemed they didn't take anything seriously save for maybe a few bits of Ultron. It feels like we really haven't progressed far past the "would you prefer yellow spandex?" comments, like they're still too afraid to indulge in comic book stories because they're too silly for an honest effort
I loved what if! It was a bit rushed however feel many of the ideas were great but I did find myself wanting more! The animation was amazing, beautiful and inspiring. I’m going to do animation studies from this. The fight scenes were truly epic. I wanted the episodes to be at least double in length! I do agree that the pacing could have been better in general more would have been best. I decided too, and because the algorithm recommended it and I became curious.
Good to see different opinions sometimes.
I've had a lot of time on my hands recently so I enjoyed it, but there are way better shows out there
An MCU Anthology show is such a gangbuster of an idea, the show nearly coasts on the novelty of its premises and the stellar visuals alone. But the character writing and tonal whiplash really lets it down sadly often.
For the first time in the MCU (for me anyway) characters really don’t feel like themselves. Sometimes that’s justified by the premise of the episode, but more often it isn’t and it feels like the writers just don’t have a grasp on who they’re writing for, or how to balance the drama and the comedy.
I agree!
OMG Finally someone mentioned how some of the characters didn't feel like themselfs. Like Korath, who for some reason, becomes an annoying Star-Lord fanboy. In the movies he is a ruthless killer that clearly doesn't care much for others and has high respect for Ronan. But somehow, just because T'Challa is now on space, he becomes a goof ball of a character. The show doesn't even support this change as it is said that T'Challa saved Drax's world from a Ronan invasion, so by logic, T'Challa was literally going up AGAINST Korath AND Ronan, and he still became a fanboy... HOW ?? Maybe it's just me, but it feels really like they didn't even bother to search him up... just like they didn't bother searching up that Guardians 2 takes place BEFORE Age of Ultron, so Ego should have been dead already in the Ultron episode, and the Guardians should not have been on Sovereign as well...
@@redvitproductions2829 I don’t think Ego being alive in the Ultron episode is a problem- it’s pretty obvious The Watcher is pulling people out of time, as well as out of their own universes. He pulls Carter from 2014, Thor from 2010-2011, Killmonger from *2008,* while Ultron’s takeover happens in 2015.
@@redvitproductions2829 the Korath thing is definitely a problem though, and it feels like a symptom of the show’s obsession with forcing comic relief.
@@ThePonderer No, I meant that when Ultron got the Infinity Stones from Thanos (apparently in 2015) and went of his quest to destroy life on the universe, Ego was still alive, even though the Nexus event that split the universe had nothing to do with Ego or the Guardians. I can 100% guess that the person that wrote that did not knew that Guardians 2 took place before Age of Ultron, in 2014
At this point in the MCU, they deserve any and all criticism. It’s clear that they aren’t planning on ending the MCU anytime soon and during that time what the audience wants will change, so they need to be willing to change as well. People have already called out the formula, so Marvel needs to change the formula
I didn't like this show.
Ultron was the biggest disappointment by far. Mostly due to lazy writing, James Spader's absence, and the character's quick death.
Also the animation sucks ass.
And, yeah, Doctor Strange's timey wimey stuff was dumb af.
Holy crap, yes! The finale was so damn boring and inconsistent with Ultron's.. smarts. I hate it. And the stupid "killing off" of Ego, jeez.
Love your channel, i am a OG marvel reader, late 70s to present. This show is a dream come true as a reader of all the versions of this anthology comic, the shows stories do end abruptly much like I remember in the comic and most of the time the heroes take a huge L, tony stark always dies but that’s the comic not the MCU opinions vary. I didn’t love all the episodes especially the dr strange ep , 1 is my fav I am madly in love with Peggy all versions, let’s hope season 2 is better , please don’t give up on this show it can only get better, right? Captain Carter spin-off ,maybe? Peace
My theory got hulk and mark Ruffalo is when he day to nat
"I put a bullit in my mouth and the other guy spit it out."
I like to think that edward bortan fired the bullet destroying his face in the process, so then when hulk rebuilt it he rebuilt it wrong giving banner a new face."
Like Killmonger was 8 years earlier, there's no way he was more capable than OG Killmonger. They just made sure to draw him the same so that you don't think about it.
The main reason I liked what if was purely because i did not have to worry about the implications for the wider universe. It feels totally separate unlike the other 3 series we’ve been given. I also liked watching fights/situations that would never have happened eg. Captain Marvel vs Thor. Also i loved that Natasha was actually presented well, not just as ‘eye candy’ both her and Hawkeye felt like actual characters who did something. I actually felt invested in them. Lastly I loved Spider-man’s portrayal and why he’s so positive, it almost made me cry. But I found the whole show weirdly paced and most of the characters felt odd, and borderline boring.
It was really disappointing to me, the only marvel show I’ve liked so far is loki and falcon and winter soldier (the second one still had a lot of issues)
The finale was the biggest let down to a good premise set up by the penultimate episode
I agree it was just a retread of Infinity War and Endgame. They only replaced Thanos with Ultron.
I love how these videos often seem to cause so much controversy that you kinda are putting opinion disclaimers at the beginning
I really liked it because they explored alternate aspects of the characters. You know, How Peggy still loves Steve when he’s skinny and weak, T’Challa as an interstellar hero, Hank Pym as a serial killer, Stephen Strange’s extreme need for control, Vision as a creepy zombie-feeding murderer, Hope full of guilt after spreading a Zombie virus, Thor’s immaturity without Loki, Hawkeye’s dying optimism after losing his family to Ultron. Also, I don’t get how people complain that there’s too much Marcel content. You know you can choose what to watch, right?
What they should do for What If? Season 2 is use the episodes to really stick it to the fan fiction crowd and makes episodes that showcase why certain things the fans think they want just would not work.
The way DC did in the 90's with the Reign of the Supermen, Knightfall and Emerald Twilight. All of those stories ended up showcasing why edgelord versions of our heroes are not what we wanted. (Eradicator, Cybrog Superman, AzBat and Parallax).
So do that with What If. Create compelling stories that show why we love these heroes the way they are and not the way we think we'd want them.
you see we already had marvel mcu zombies with a manga called Zombies Assemble what was a what if with the mcu style universe with zombies and i honestly think it did it better than the show but i really enjoyed that ep
I disagree on the what if dr strange time travel point as it would be like the grandfather paradox, you won’t be able to change the future by killing your grandfather yourself as you wouldn’t exist to go back in time to kill him.
So if Christine never died, dr strange wouldn’t go back in time to save Christine hence creating a paradox.
Altho I agree with the third act really made everything disappointing mcu has fudged the third act in too many phase 4 movies and shows. COVID would really explain why this has happened a lot.
And you’re not ragging on it considering the 90s Spider-Man animated show and the batman animated show, what if was some of the most wasted potential among all the mcu projects, even more than the eternals dumpster fire.
Nah Tony has it super rough in Episode 3 as well, he gets killed right after reaching his most pathetic and pitiful point as Tony Stark and Iron Man.
Edit: my only issue with episode 3 is Hank, his performance, writing, and design is bad imo. Like I like Michael Douglas, and I think this version of the character is plausible, and Hank has been the Yellowjacket in the comics, but the execution felt hamfisted and over the top.
Wait wait! I disagree with the Party Thor episode. that episode felt like a 90s sitcom, like a high schooler cleaning up a party before mom gets home. I feel like the rick and morty episode that did the same thing was genuinely funny because it made multiple random and creative characters to laugh at. In Party Thor its mostly references about characters thru out the mcu partying and The only original one was Ice Troll Loki, which was great! And then yeah the Captain Marvel/ Thor / DBZ fight was still awesome but just sayin 👌
I also much preferred episode 4 because of how of much more interesting it was compared to 3 and made much more sense than Hank Pym somehow killing the hulk
Honestly you described the comic marvel zombies really awful. Its not just a zombie setting in the marvel universe, in marvel zombies almost all the heros get turned into zombies but they keep their intelligents, emotions and thoughts. They can talk to each other, and that makes it much more scary because they still have their zonbie urges to eat humans. This episode just did an awful adaptation. In marvel zobies we didn't follow a surviver but the zombies themselfs. Also spiderman was the best character in that comic because he was one of the only onces that tried to fight his urges and not eat people, here he was just a surviver that made lots of unfunny puns.
My Tier List of What If...? (From best to worst)
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1.) "What If... Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?"
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2.) "What If... T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?"
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3.) "What If... Ultron Won?"
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4.) "What If... the Watcher Broke His Oath?"
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5.) "What If... Zombies?!"
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6.) "What If... Thor Were an Only Child?"
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7.) "What If... Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?"
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8.) "What If... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?"
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9.) What If... the World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?"
Regarding the Strange episode. Steins;Gate does the same premise but a lot better, but it does work bar the pacing which is the biggest problem with the series. Still, you've managed to fill a long video with a lot of babble and very little good criticism. I didn't enjoy the show that much, but I expected better arguments.
Uh no. You’re not allowed to criticize marvel. You must praise marvel blindly and call every tv show and movie “a masterpiece unlike anything you’ve seen before a cinematic triumph the best marvel thing ever”
-every marvel shill/sheep/paid critic
Please tell me your joking. I'm big Marval and Star Wars fan and I think you should be allowed call something crap if it is. What If is one of them.
@@melissalayson7275 yes, genius, it’s a joke. But I am glad you see marvel is not perfect
@@justareader____ I think Marval definitely reached it's peak in Endgame. While I did like Wandavision, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Spider-Man No Way Home, and Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Endgame did really feel like the end of the MCU for me.
You're too negative on this one. Going in blind, What If far exceeded my expectations. One of the few recent MCU projects that was actually *ambitious*
What if was pretty cool, just that they forced the whole team up and seemed like they were using the "Multiverse" as a tool
Phase 4 has been the worst phase. Even the Russo brothers have said as much. Disney has had a really difficult time producing quality product for the last couple years with one or two notable exceptions