The reason red wedding happened was that Robb broke bunch of promises he made to Walder Frey just to pass his bridge. If only he had waited a few seasons he could just jetpack his whole army to anywhere on the map! he wouldn't have to give those promises in the first place.
Season 1-4: Arya spends years trekking across Westeros to be reunited with family. Season 8: Massive army marches from Winterfell to King’s Landing in a few days.
Season 8 Yoren plotline "Where are you taking me???!?!?" "North kid" cue next episode "Whoah sorry kid, we sped through winterfell at the speed we were going, looks like we are at the wall, sorry kid"
Season 3 Walder Frey: You should have married my daughter! *Proceeds to order the death of all Northmen* Season 8 Walder Frey: Ok sure you broke your promise to me but we really got to wrap this shit up and we haven't nearly got the time so just go, Night King needs killing alread- and he's dead. Well you better get to King's Landing then.
Obryn Martyll is one of the greatest fighters in The Seven Kingdoms and he died because of his arrogance. One little mistake, in a blink of an eye, got him killed. While Sam Tarly, a fat, coward and weak man survived an attack by dozens of zombies. Wtf. The action in GoT had so much stake and tension because death could happen to anyone for any little slip. But D&D kinda forgot about the reality of death and war.
Sam's not a coward though. The show actually fucked his character up as they made him responsible for Dolorus edds death n then he ran like a bitch. He shouldn't have been in the front lines to begin with as he was not a fighter.
@@nostalgicbliss5547 I think you're totally right. Sam arc is becoming a braver man. With what he has experienced and Gilly and little Sam I think it's wrong to call him a coward. Sam was always a coward until he found something to fight for.
The most annoying part of the season is all the times they cut away from a character being overwhelmed by wights and then about 10 minutes later they show up alive and well 😤
@@niamhha9014 a pity ned stark didnt have that kind of plot armor !!!! Or robert with just a boar !!! I mean ... ONE boar kills robert ... but dozens of undead wights cant kill them no matter how many times they try...
Part of it might be the fact that another show actually came in at the same time and took away the limelight, a show that we did not know was being made until only a few months prior and was based on a real event.
@@nicon1391 Everyone ist still talking about The Lord of the Rings for example. Imagine what would have happen with two awesome lotr movies but a bad third one? For comparison, nobody is talking about the hobbit movies.
I'll never forget how Tyrion went from being the smartest man in the room to being the opposite. Or how Jon went from being a man of unbending conviction to a neutered puppy with unlimited plot armor. Man don't get me started again lol. I'll be venting for hours.
@@893263007 I actually loved those characters because they were so damn smart and could weasel their way out of everything. Their deaths still piss me off because it served no purpose.
@@brittanywilliams8653 The purpose was to get rid of them from the script because D&D weren't nearly smart enough to write for them. You cannot write a character smarter than yourself, and D&D are clearly not very bright.
I think the thing with Tyrion was that he knew exactly who he was and what his strengths and weaknesses were, and his character's power came from that. After killing Shae and Tywin, and losing everything, he lost his motivations, and with it, lost his mojo. It's not entirely stupid, but the way that it's not at all shown or demonstrated on-screen is just another wasted opportunity. Especially when he spent an entire season just getting drunk and pouting. So much wasted screen time.
@@rufus-re8bk I still wake up in the middle of the night screaming about how useless Bran's storyline was and where the fuck did Meera go. I haven't gotten a good night sleep in over a year due to this
The actor is somewhat annoying in general too though. Danish guy, quite obviously full of himself all the time, and not hiding it. So, I guess he was cast perfectly for this role (ignoring book Euron though..).
Tbf Jaimes legendary in book and show, obviously stupid an not realistic but fits into Jaimes arc being the greatest swordsmen ever except perhaps barristan and ser arthur, then losing his hand and becoming more humble and way less effective then practising back up to being very good again, just wish it had him training with it more and showing him being more proficient over time one handed then we got. Having him expertly using a shortsword in his left and using his metal hand and maybe a lower armguard as a club, or strapping a shield to his right arm and just have him become a sword and shield specialist like the guy in the vale from the first season but having to swap hands and re-train would of been better i think at keeping him believable deadly, on the show he just bumbles and we never see him getter really good again practising with bronn.
@@richard6869 lol sexism. those two battles were not designed for the same effect. When he attacked the boat and charging with his axe, it was not only a surprise attack but it was Euron with all his might, anybody would have fallen. When he fought Jaime, Euron was exausted and it was basically to show a drag out, nasty battle between two beat up guys.
Imagine having an HBO-level budget, an amazing cast, and a guaranteed extra 2 seasons and instead deciding to jump ship and churn out a nonsensical ending to what could have been the greatest series of all time.
@@tsakibubis I think they knew and they really didn't care.. Doesn't make it any less mind boggling that they had the golden series in their hands and they dropped it
@@Labyriiint Martin deserves flak for reasons you mentioned but that has less to do with the shitty seasons 6-8. When the training wheels came off D&D did not deliver imo.
Maybe musically you could make an argument. The soundtrack was amazing as always. As were the special effects (those we could actually see). Everything else was pure trash. Fans could have made a better episode.
@@finsfan90 I really have to disagree with you on that particular point. NOTHING brings chills like the music in Helm's Deep. If you listen to the Two Towers score, specifically "The Hornburg" and "Forth Eorlingas" (sorry, I mean "FORTH... EORLINGAS!") plus the last minute of "Breath of Life," I mean... nothing beats that. Shore captured those scenes in his music. In comparison, the music in the Long Night was so boring. It felt rushed and didn't have the same heart as a lot of Djawadi's other GoT songs (e.g.: "Light of the Seven" S6; "Wildfire" S2; "Son of the Harpy" S5; "Finale" S1; "Dracarys" S3; "A Lannister Always Pays His Debts" S3; "Hardhome, Pt. 1&2" S5; "Let's Play A Game" S6). I'll give some credit to "The Night King": that is a really well-written piece, even for S8, but it's soured by the whole Arya/Bran debacle. I'm still really disappointed with how lackluster S8's soundtrack was. Anyway, the long and the long of it is the music in the Long Night really sucked, even for Djawadi. Helm's Deep definitively had better music than the Long Night. LotR: The Hornburg: th-cam.com/video/uU-6h3bIbDk/w-d-xo.html Forth Eorlingas: th-cam.com/video/ESnMzQZubKg/w-d-xo.html Breath of Life: th-cam.com/video/J9AOTMNoFKY/w-d-xo.html GoT: Light of the Seven: th-cam.com/video/60xrQTUPies/w-d-xo.html Wildfire: th-cam.com/video/oEuGWEaxbcg/w-d-xo.html Son of the Harpy: th-cam.com/video/Wa1NpajBJ6U/w-d-xo.html Finale: th-cam.com/video/0EF2t4hFGzo/w-d-xo.html Dracarys: th-cam.com/video/OfmoyTL64R0/w-d-xo.html A Lannister Always Pays His Debts: th-cam.com/video/jERdloSRJEw/w-d-xo.html Hardhome, Pt. 1: th-cam.com/video/7d3dyruohGc/w-d-xo.html Let's Play A Game: th-cam.com/video/bzfPmWvO2wo/w-d-xo.html Night King: th-cam.com/video/k1frgt0D_f4/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, and the Rohhirim weren't stupid enough to place their army outside the fucking wall, they put it behind the battlements in relative safety. Y'know, what they designed and built it for in the first place! The military tactics actually mattered in previous seasons of GoT and were logical, then they just...eurgh. Blackwater: Lannister army man's the walls around the city. Good. Winterfell: Bolton's place army outside the safety of the castle walls. Winterfell 2: Northerners and Unsullied place army outside the safety of the castle walls. Let's build huge castles with huge walls around them, but not use them for the function they were specifically built for in the first place. Logic. 🙃
The music maybe is the less bad of this scene. The GoT soundtrack is really good, but the LotR trilogy soundtrack is on a whole different level, it’s a truly masterpiece. In my opinion, of course. And, yeah they did dare to say this battle was going to be better than Helm’s deep. To say something like that was pretentious and stupid, and tells a lot about the show runners.
It makes me sad that *this* is what poor Hodor ultimately died for. He and all the other beloved characters who bit the dust over the predecing seven seasons. All their sacrifice, all their pain... led to *this.*
She wasnt even involved with that friggin story line! It woulda been like if Sansa killed Euron. No logic to it at all...just plain old moronic. It was Jon Snows kill, period. NK vs Jon was the battle that we all wanted to see.
The worst thing is, why the fuck did the NK took so long only to pull of his sword to kill Bran and NK also did nothing when arya dropped the dagger and just look at it, waiting to be killed.
Can someone please take off the Season 8 Wikipedia page that people praised Arya killing the Night King? Because we did not. That needs to be removed and shoved in D&D's faces.
I don't think I'll ever get bored of watching people drag season 8 of GoT, especially when they break things down on a technical level like you (your humor is also very endearing).
The plot amour is so cringe. Like so many characters should’ve died in the in Long Night!! Brienne should’ve died once, Arya, Sam should’ve died like 3 times and no main characters down in the crypt died!?? Like when Ned died it established that ANY character can die at any point but D&D took that suspense away because everyone already knew that no major characters could die
D&D rushed it because they had recieved a deal with Disney to make a star wars movie. What makes it worse, is that after season 8's release, the deal was cut meaning the morons ruined GOT for nothing.
@@sophiawilson8696 It was, look at the battle of helm's deep in lord of the rings, that's how you properly make and light a battle during night time. And you shouldn't have to turn up the brightness on your tv or computer in the middle of an episode, that's fkn ridiculous.
i never cared about the action i just wanted good story, and the fact that we literally never got explanation about why the white walkers just wanna destroy and kill everyone, we know children of forest made them, but it wouldve been cool if the night king actually spoke to reveal why he does what he does,
Anas Ahbouch not sure about him speaking. Part of his character was his silent menace. He can’t be reasoned with, he can’t be argued with he’s just death incarnate. But some sort of explanation or motivation would’ve still been preferable. With the threat of the White Walkers being dealt with so early in the season their entire purpose in the story was negated, with the only reason they were there being to unite the main characters, but otherwise they could’ve been written out of the show entirely with all they served at the end
@@corpsebrigadepowerhouse993 i get your point but the symbols the white walkers kept making and general behavior was never truly explained, was the night king himself a puppet controlled by the world magic trying to get rid of humans or some dark entity or forgotten old god, and somehow the noght king being a stark
Anas Ahbouch Bran did say he just wants to kill everything. He also said the reason why he wants to kill the Three Eyed Raven,to kill the very memory of the world. As to why the NK wants do do it is like you said never explained. Which is why I hope in the books the Walkers are more than just a world ending threat. Oh and Cersei somehow being the big bad instead of the NK is just horribly dumb.... Rat-brained idiot Cersei is more of a threat than.....Westoros Lich King....
The fact that they decided to focus more on action than story is disappointing, and then they go and fail at the action too. It's not worth anything at that point.
dead corpses doesnt need to talk and why would the night king reveal anything except for forced exposition we already know? that wouldnt make any sense anyway. its better if he doesnt talk at all. its more menacing that way and you dont have to listen to his bs. :)
@@balazs.bence300 Oh my god you Martin zealot fans are soooo annoying... The guy obviously struggles to meet this ever increasing level of perfection all of you are expecting from him, stop trying to convince yourself that it's always "justified". The last two books weren't masterpieces, compare the pacing with the third book and it's obvious that the author has more and more problems to keep his stories from exploding in every direction. Now, the next book MIGHT be that good that it manages to make everything converge smoothely, but if I were you I'd judge with it in hand instead of making wild guesses beforehand... Judging from the pacing, I'm betting any money, but I'm starting to wonder if you'd recognise it even if it were really bad at this point (which hopefully it won't... fingers crossed).
Cleganebowl is so dissapointibg for me. I always thought that Sandor's arc was about finding something better than revenge and that was Arya. I think that if Sandor killed Gregor to save Arya, hence proving that he's moved on from his petty revenge quest amd found something better. This is further supported by GoT treatment of revenge. Revenge is condemned and treated as a selfish concept that ultimatley gets people killed. This wasnt continued after the DnD takeover but I think this is a better way for cleganebowl to play out
Exactly, there was literally no reason to suicide himself by tackling Mountain off the building, it made no sense. The hound could have just walked away and probably been faster than him
For all of the problems with the end of GoT i don't think this was one of them. Sandor tells arya how revenge only leads to self destruction, and then demonstrates that to us by dying with his brother. I think that despite recognizing the futility of revenge, sandor was inextricably tied to his brother - he believed it was his destiny to be the one to end his brother's murderous life. The result of the hound's growth was in guiding arya away from revenge, while being unable to live by his own revelation. He's a classic tragic hero
@@oniongreen13 i agree, but personally it wouldve been more satisfying to see him kill Gregor not for revenge but for arya. Its not terrible by any means but could've been way better. Also the way they both die together is good but the fact that they just fall into the fire is so dumb lol
Terrifying, tons of dead people, including characters that we just got connected with a few moments prior, and a chilling ending. And you can actually fcking see it. So much better
Just to add to that King's Landing scene - try to spot a Lannister Soldier that kills an enemy. I've tried, but all you ever see is Northmen, Unsullied and Dothraki killing Lannisters, never a single one of them actually defeating one of the "good guys" soldiers.
It’s pathetic. It’s like they just gave up. These Lannister soldiers have been fighting for 7 years. Most want to return home. Yet they are like fuck it just kill me
I don't think that's a problem. They get attacked by a dragon and overwhelming number of Northmen and Dothraki while their leader just sits in the keep. Of course their defence and morale just completely collapses and they get massacred.
@@Beltims Where are those "overwhelming" numbers coming from, though? "Half" (in reality all) Dothraki died at Winterfell, as did the northmen. The North was not that populated to beginn with and the Dothraki are not fighting on horseback but on the ground - where they should be worse than a common Westerosi soldier since thats his home terrain. The hordes of Dothraki are effective from the back of a horse, not on foot. In essence - there are magically many Northmen and Dothraki, exhausted, depleted in nummers and hungry. They just got decimated by undead, marched for days without end and _still_ they are so easy at dispatching rested and well fed troops that should have the numerical advantage (if there was any realism left) _and_ fighting on their home turf? Nothing on that siege makes sense.
I also love how suddenly dragon fire can destroy anything. The reason Harrenhall still has relatively standing ruins, is because when Aegon invaded and attacked harrenhall, dragon fire roasted the people inside because fire is hot. It didn’t destroy everything.
I think I heard that it was originally going to be the wildfire caches being set off by dragon fire and that’s why the effects are like that, but it was a while ago, so I don’t know
@@SebitorLP I think I remember reading somewhere that originally they were gonna have Dany destroy the red keep and that lead to the destruction of all of kings landing due to all the wildfire placed around the city. Which would’ve been way more believable because Danny’s rage would’ve been directed at Cersie but still ultimately lead to the destruction of the city leading to conflict among Danny’s allies. But instead they decided to change it to Dany turning into a crazy murderous mad queen for no reason.
@@kainekennedy5012I don’t know why but I absolutely love this idea! You write it so Jon survives somehow (maybe he isn’t in the city) but you almost have a repeat of the Doom of Valyria only with wildfire. Kings Landing getting nuked from Dany wanting revenge and not knowing about wildfyre would have been way more satisfying and opened up some interesting stuff to come
The thing I’m angry about the most is that they made jon being a targeryn be such a big deal for so long just for it to barely impact the show other than him constantly saying he didn’t want to be king.
@FORREST GUMP yeah the story of the dialogue was good but it sounded like someone in the 21st century talking not medieval times, like when do you hear dialogue like "by what right dare you lay hands on my blood" anymore
Unpopular opinion, but the show started getting bad around season 4. I dropped after the 100th scene of a main character killing someone horribly with a cold, emotionless look on their face. I realized the showrunners were more concerned with making those scenes look "badass" than with the emotional impact of the character's actions on themselves and on the viewers
@FORREST GUMP I see book Brienne as witty in her movements and processing risk. Like how she pushed the bolder onto the ship that followed them from riverrun (they had no chance of escape) and then scaled the cliff to land back in the boat when Jaime thought he was going to escape. Physically she is dextrous as well as big probably due to how females are more flexible then men. The way she processed threats in the book to escape capture and being mugged was pretty impressive. The hound is big and relys on strength not necessarily adaptation throughout fighting. It seems that an infection could have such an impact of someone with rigid fighting tactics.
I really did not like cleganebowl. I do not think it will happen in the books. The hound, a killer and a thief, changing his life and finding peace is a much more beautiful ending than "gotta kill my brother now".
Why would Hound even care about his brother being alive as a mindless zombie? You'd think Sandor would prefer that, as that's a fate most would consider worse than death.
I love how Euron practically loses to Jaimie when Euron is clearly a great fighter and Jaimie’s whole character arc is partly based on the fact that he can’t even win a fight against an average soldier anymore.
I like to think Cersei spent so much time staring out the window because she was like “wtf is going on, why did Daenerys snap and turn mad in half a second”
You know what's really weird about it is that The Long Night cinematographer also worked on the movie Overlord, which didn't have a giant budget either but it was very well lit and used very creative effects when it needed. Plus it didn't look like they shot in jet blackness; it was lit enough to see what was going on and used some unique color too, gave it a comic book feel but in a good way. Just because your grim/gritty/realistic fantasy needs to be all that doesn't mean it's not got to actually look that way, guys and not look like you forgot lighting was a thing. Jeez, at least use a bloody light meter or something.
Lord of the rings solution was kinda blue light as in "it's full moon" - viewers are happy and it fits to your grim/gritty/realistic fantasy - problem solved.
Once again it was your TV not the Director problem. Your monitor was to low on lighting setting. Turn up high and battle of Night King should up a lot better.
@@sophiawilson8696 I watched the episode at night, I had not that much problems like others but nonetheless is the lighting bad. As an example: If you need to turn up the volume higher than with any other movie to hear properly it's a failure of the movie not your TV - same with the lighting. As we explained here you could keep the atmosphere AND have good lighting if you would make it like in lord of the rings.
I’m someone who plays strategy games and who loves to turtle (it’s when you set up a defensive perimeter and hold the line - very fun -even more fun to break. The Battle of Winterfell is so bad that even non-strategy players can poke holes in it. What was the plan for defeating the army. Yes the goal was to kill the NK, but you’d think that the goal to achieve that would be to kill enough zombies so that the White walkers get involved. What was the plan with the Dothraki? Charge into the darkness (their plan didn’t involve flaming swords too, Melisandre wasn’t expected) What was the plan with the unsullied? Just die basically What was the plan with the moat of fire? Wait for it to go out or for the undead to adapt to it - remember two towers, nonstop arrow volleys. Why were the trebuchets in front of the infantry? why were the infantry in front of the moat of fire? Why were the light cavalry charging blind into an army? I wanted a back and forth where the armies of the living would win against the hoarse of the undead with their fortifications, but a WW or the NK or Viserion would break said fortification and then they’d have to fall back to the next fortification. Similar to in Return of the king how the nazgul fucked with Minas Tiriths trebuchets. The goal should be. Multiple moats of fire with unsullied at the front spearing through. With fire arrows being launched too. A WW clears the first moat and the dead pour through. The unsullied are quick to respond, but it’s obvious the sheer numbers and the fact it’s a dead army with no fear or pain, can’t be stopped so they fall back to the next moat of fire. Several characters are killed. Brienne could duel with a WW and kill it and that causes a lot of undead around to die and the NK is forced to react. A roar is heard, they look up to see a blue light behind the cloud and fog, the fire bursts through and demolishes the next moat of fire leaving one moat left, the unsullied do their thing again and hold the line while everyone retreats. Dany and Jon were holding back until the last moat anyway. Jon starts hitting the undead when the first moat fell and tells Dany she can come or not when the next moat falls. They didn’t want both the dragons to be vulnerable to the Night King. I could go on but what’s hilarious is how my plot is worth 0 dollars and dumb and dumber made millions.
Yeah there was nothing good in the Battle of Winterfell. My favourite "kinda forgot" moment was then they hide the women, children and Tyrion down in the crypt. They are fighting an enemy who can raise the dead and they hide their vulnerable in a crypt full of corpses. *facepalm* Personally I like the idea of the Night King surprising them by bypassing Winterfell altogether and marching south to King's Landing. This would take care of the issue of having two main antagonists and mean we could have one final climactic battle instead of two. However I'm not sure how Daenerys' turn to madness would happen in this scenario.
@@bluemountain4181 Let's not forget how the dead in the crypts punch their way out of stone caskets but the Wight they captured in season 7 couldn't get out of a wooden box.
I had a similar narrative in mind. With the living constantly having to fall back further and further south towards the twins, and make their final stand there. 2-3 full episodes of battle. Definitely not one single episode to kill the big bad of the series.
@@bluemountain4181 The worst part is, even if the dead people in the crypt weren't a problem, it still doesn't make any sense to put the non-combatants in there. Winterfell is a freaking CASTLE--it's got a keep! The entire purpose of the keep is to have a bastion to fall back to if the enemy captures the walls! I would argue that there were a few good things about the episode though. The tone of the whole episode was fantastic. The music was perfect. If the tactics and character decisions had been better and if there hadn't been so much plot armour, I would've really liked it. As it stands, I actually feel strongly conflicted about it.
@@5h0rgunn45 The music was epic, but that was the only thing I liked about that episode. Actually I liked Arya's cat-and-mouse scene with the wights in the library too but it felt out of place in the middle of the battle.
I'd add that Brienne of Tarth, in particular, was a head scratcher. Seems in every scene she was getting pulled to the ground doing that helpless wail of hers. Then -- boom, she's back in the action.
The action-packed episodes are the ones I re-watch the least. Be it Blackwater, Hardhome, Battle of Bastards, Long Night. Not that they’re all bad (except the wight-hunt - this was just bad). It’s just that this is not really what GoT is all about. I never found myself wishing they showed the full battle in season 1 where Tyrion blacked out before it started. Because the battle action itself didn’t really matter for the bigger picture. In later seasons, there was not enough “bigger picture” left anymore, so action became and more central to attract viewers.
I have been rewatching all the great season 1-4 dialogue scenes several times. for GoT, I take 1 minute of smart banter over 60 minutes of pretty good action every time.
Tbh. I wish the white walkers had never existed and the show would instead have focused on the war for the iron Throne. I would have wanted to see more of Robb's battles and Daenerys should have traveled to Westeros in season 3 after she gets the unsullied and the gold from the slave guys
I love that in The Long Night all of the Darthraki and Unsuiled are wiped out, yet in the next episode or two they’re back to numbers in the thousands.
8:55 Imagine a reaction shot of Dany as Drogon's burning the city. Imagine a shot of her crying and screaming as her fury and madness finally come to the surface. How cool would that have been to give the moment some depth. But no, we just get a CGI dragon puppet burning and destroying buildings.
Honestly I would have liked an actual reason for her to do so, before doing it she was already a psychotic and hypocritical bitch that I wished death upon every time she was on screen, but in that moment she just won without any issues, she had no reason whatsoever to break and go genocide the entire town. Nobody provoked her, she didn't spot Cersei or anything, she just went berserk for the sake of it.
@@larafuchs706 Err.. how about Margaery Tyrell? She is portrayed as intelligent, ambitious, but kind. And how is portraying a woman as a murderer insulting to women? Is Ramsay Bolton insulting to men? Is Joffrey insulting to boys? These people are not defined by their gender.
@@dwight3555 Missandei should have been the reason. They also could have added that the people were openly hating dany. So bestie gone and the people hate her=burn them all.
I think the most egregious example is with Sam. They have Jon make the choice of the greater good and not go back and save is friend. It could have been a great long term character moment. Instead, Sam lives and Jon does nothing of consequence for the rest of the episode.
Correction: the mountain is def not one of the best fighters in game of thrones. Like sure he’s good but he’s also just massive and very intimidating and you’re done if you get hit once by him. He’s also very strong. Sándor is clearly the better fighter than the mountain but he wouldn’t die because of his undead zombie state. Obryn Martell had the mountain beat until he got cocky. I’m sure Jon Snow and Bronn could beat the mountain one on one. Bronn just didn’t want to chance it with being Tyrion’s champion. I’m talking about the regular mountain, not the zombie one. Two handed Jamie in his prime could beat the mountain. But agreed, season 8 was complete shit.
Martial arts are about using your gifts, body type, strengths effectively. There is surly more skilled fighters, but his average skill combined with his supreme muscle power and height, and surprising speed, is what makes him one of the best. If we’re talking about pure skill, with fighters alive and in their prime, then that’s another story, Jaime with both his hands, Jon Snow, the Hound, Obryn, all take top spots in whatever order, but The Mountain can take people out with muscle power 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Even worse when you realise the actor was the main sword fight choreographer on set and did the dual wielding scenes as Arthur Dwayne. So much wasted potential 😓
@@iplayeddsharpminor Why change the actor of the Night King then ? That very dumb you change the actor of one the most important character to someone with specials skills for in the end not using it at all.
I still wonder why HBO didn't say anything to D & D about the last two seasons, I can't remember a day where people weren't mad about the way the show was taking back then
HBO: Here are several more seasons and hundreds of millions of dollars at your disposal. D&D: Best I can do is six episodes and scripts pulled from Tumblr.
To me something that actually annoyed me was how fast and nimble the wights are. Most of them don't have any more muscle tissue, being essentially skeletons. They should be basically just shambling around. But they wouldn't be scary and would be easily defeated? Sure, but the whole point of them is they are unrelenting, innumerable and they can even be raised again. They could have taken their time and still would have won. The heroes could have easily run for their lives and it still would have been terrifying, perhaps even moreso. And IMHO, I think Arya could have indeed killed the Nightking, but *after* being distracted by a duel with Jon. Best of both worlds!
They should have done a Witch King scenario. Have Jon on the backfoot, the Night King is about to finish him...Then have Arya backstab the Night King, he shrieks in pain, allowing Jon to decapitate him.
I finished GOT in april of this year and I had no one to talk about the ending with bc everyone seemed to have forgotten about the show after a year. So I’m loving your analysis
My least favourite scene in the entire show was during the Long Night when Jon paused and had to make a decision between saving Sam or going after Viserion. There was actually a lot of emotion in that scene as he decided to leave his best friend to die in order to fight an extremely tough opponent that had been hyped up and yet to get a good action scene. The setting was perfect for Jon to fight a dragon, something that also has never been done in the show. It would have been a powerful scene.... But then the dragon falls to bones as Jon is about to get killed after doing nothing and then Sam somehow doesn't die, rendering Jon's initial impossible decision absolutely useless and devoid of any emotion. So after all that hype all we saw from Viserion was him getting absolutely bodied by Rhaegal. But at least Jon got to yell at a dragon instead of like...I don't know... fighting it?. That was cool right? RIGHT!?
The reason we don’t see Dany go mad is because they didn’t tell Emilia Clarke she was murdering all of kings landing. They just had her do some green screen shots up to the point we saw, then did vfx for the rest.
You kinda already did it here and maybe somebody else has. BUT we need a "Cersei staring out the window for x-minutes straight" video. Thats all she does for like the last 3 seasons and it's started to piss me off so much.
I wish he meantioned how before the clegane bowel the hound kills the entire queens guard in like two swing of a sword and they’re meant to be the highest trained knights, it’s so stupid
you did a great job with this analysis, especially with your points about inconsistency. Inconsistency is the death of coherent story-telling. The audience will not have a clear understanding of what the characters are like, what they can do and cannot do, what their intentions are and etc., and as a result, any kind of story you're telling about them loses any ground and becomes a pointless mesh of events. Season 8 was a great example of this. People in film schools should use it as a model for how not to write a TV show.
Another point regarding the long night episode is the utter lack of competence by all the characters when planning for the battle. To think that they have proven war tacticians in Jamie, Tyrion, Jon, Jorah, Tormund to name a few… and their chosen tactics are unbelievably stupid. They are up against a countless horde of undead that would overrun them in the field, but they luckily have one of the most formidable fortresses in Winterfell. Yet they decide to plonk everyone OUTSIDE the walls. Putting their artillery, one of their chief counters against the dead, out in front so they can only let off one cinematic barrage before it’s instantly overrun. Suicide charging the Dothraki (light cavalry) head first into the darkness with flame swords just for another cinematic scene. Having that time to prepare for the battle and only digging a couple of ditches when they could’ve made way more obstacles. Not having oil barrels, but Bron can even think of that for kings landing. Putting the women and children in the CRYPTS. I could go on. Even if the lightning was good enough so that we could see the battle, the illogical tactics could send any total war player mad. It’s been years since S8 and I’m still not over it lol
When you remember in season 4 we had the epic fights of the mountain vs oberyn and the hound vs brienne. Not only did the fights dip in quality, they also dipped in frequency. Season 7 and 8 were begging for 1v1 duels with actually good choreography.
If you're gonna have the wights be canon fodder like this, at least make them like the walkers, from the Walking Dead. Mindless, slow, easily dispatched, ect. At least that makes sense for how each main character survives.
Cleganebowl was dumb from a story standpoint, but then bringing back The Hound was dumb anyway. He had a full character arc before then, but they just wanted to bring him back for the ratings I guess.
I remember when The Long Night came out, idiots were saying that people who complained about not being able to see it should “get a better TV”. I watched it on my TV (when I’d normally use my IPad), turned the brightness all the way up, and I still couldn’t see it.
Its breakdowns of the flaws in the latter seasons, like this and the others you've put together, that really show how clueless the cast are when they the claim the fans are just disappointed that their characters didnt 'win.' I do find it genuinely insulting whenever a cast member speaks out against the s8 petition (whether it has merit or not), because they completely miss the reasons why the fans are so upset/angry/frustrated.
I think they should've killed Arya in destruction of King's Landing it would've been surprisng and having Jon find her body would give a reason to confront her without whining that she's his queen
In many ways, "The Long Night" is the reverse "Battle of the Bastards", in that the later felt more realistic than most if not all epic cold-weapon battles in films. In "Battle of the Bastards", the spectacle was in service of the real strategies and tactics, and you could tell Ramsay was a tactical genius who correctly anticipated each and every move of Jon Snow. On the contrast, "The Long Night" made little strategical or tactical sense from beginning to end.
Battle of the Bastards also has issues. Later in the battle they got surrounded by the Bolton phalanx, and couldn't do anything about it, right? Well, if they gave their motherfookin' GIANT some long, heavy weapon, even just a tree trunk, he would smash the Bolton formation. They probably wouldn't even get to form it and encircle the Stark army in the first place.
I agree entirely. Battle of the bastards was an excellent medieval battle and one of the rawest and most down to earth I've seen on film. Sure there is always things to nitpick but it was phenomenal television. I like to pretend GOT ended at season 6 finale.
It started has probably the best fight scene I ever watch, with that moment where Jon is in the middle of the charge. That moment is incredible. But I hate the wall of corpses (WTF!!!) Thats fucking impossible. And why Jon let the Boltons surrond them without trying to break out? The pikes didn't work until everyone is on formation. And the worst of all of course is the Deus ex Machina that saved everyone.
I can't imagine HBO giving GoT a budget cut considering the money it brought in, I think 20 million is the amount it took to bring this to life since everything was less, there was less effort less man power and ofcourse less quality all of this because D&D wanted star wars which when Karma struck back, they lost Star wars too
In my estimation, if an action scene isn't set up right it can still be okay. If it is set up horribly, it can't be good. Nothing in season 8 made sense, so I can't enjoy the action.
I'm just upset that D&D missed such an amazing opportunity to completely subvert our expectations as an audience. They couldn have had our main characters COMPLETELY underestimate the power of the Night King and lose the battle instead basically end the Night king plot in the space of a single episode.
The scene where Drogon goes through the Tower of the Hand, with Dany on his back. I know, Plot Armor, but seriously, how is Jon even able to stab her? She can go through solid walls without a scratch😂
Cleganebowl was bad too. There were no rules for the Mountain: he was just kind of immortal until the script said otherwise. The Hound's attacks had no weight nor significance.
This has to be a joke right? Not all marvel movies have great action scenes but having many cuts(when there is no need for it) is not something marvel movies are known for.Endgame,Infinity war,Civil war,Winter soldier,Far from home,Iron man,Avengers 1 all have marvelous action scenes that are rooted in character.Having cuts isn't bad,some action scenes need it. The first avengers(the final battle( and Infinity war are masterclasses in action.While most DC characters fight the same way(not saying they're bad but even in the comics there isn't that much variety) all marvel characters fight in a different way and even in the tactics they use,like how Tony wants to bring the fight to Thanos's home planet and Steve wants to protect what they have.(again rooted in character).I could go on and on but you get my point.
Books: Action scenes are grounded in reality, with a use of realism and military tactics to determine who and how people die, regardless of their popularity. Season 8: He’s a main character, so his plot armor is indestructible.
Meanwhile George R. R. Martin said that he doesn’t want to write character points of view from every character just for the plot as it would ruin the characters themselves. A stark difference from D&D making Tyrion dumb just so that the story can go onward.
My first warning of the action taking a quality dip came in season 7. They fighting on the lake and the wights just attacked everyone one at a time and stood in line. Then that's exactly what happens to main characters during the long night.
they missed Nymeria wolfpack VS Viserion wighh they missed Jon Snow vs the Vladimir Vutnik Night King they missed Arya using her face changing ability to sneaking into Cerseis room they missed alot of things. and they kinda forgot
I know I’m late to this video but a few defenses I have for the long night, the darkness during the long night was explained that it was extremely dark if I recall correctly by the old lady(can’t remember her name) that told stories in to bran while he was in bed. The other defense I have for the episode was about the Dothraki charge and competence of the wights there compared to the rest of the episode, the wights were probably packed very tightly together and when the Dothraki hit their line they probably were able to get through a few rows but it would have gotten to dense for the horses and the impact likely would have made the Dothraki go flying off their horses causing a large pileup and the fact there were giants probably made the situation worse l, you could have probably mentioned how many giants were shown they had in the past compared to the one we actually got in the episode.
The reason red wedding happened was that Robb broke bunch of promises he made to Walder Frey just to pass his bridge. If only he had waited a few seasons he could just jetpack his whole army to anywhere on the map! he wouldn't have to give those promises in the first place.
Season 1-4: Arya spends years trekking across Westeros to be reunited with family.
Season 8: Massive army marches from Winterfell to King’s Landing in a few days.
It still took a year for Arya and the Hound to travel from the Twins to the Vale.
Season 8 Yoren plotline
"Where are you taking me???!?!?"
"North kid"
cue next episode
"Whoah sorry kid, we sped through winterfell at the speed we were going, looks like we are at the wall, sorry kid"
Season 3 Walder Frey: You should have married my daughter! *Proceeds to order the death of all Northmen*
Season 8 Walder Frey: Ok sure you broke your promise to me but we really got to wrap this shit up and we haven't nearly got the time so just go, Night King needs killing alread- and he's dead. Well you better get to King's Landing then.
Season 8: A rebel army can ride from North to South with no opposition from loyalists or the Queen's army.
Obryn Martyll is one of the greatest fighters in The Seven Kingdoms and he died because of his arrogance. One little mistake, in a blink of an eye, got him killed. While Sam Tarly, a fat, coward and weak man survived an attack by dozens of zombies. Wtf. The action in GoT had so much stake and tension because death could happen to anyone for any little slip. But D&D kinda forgot about the reality of death and war.
I think he blinked with both his eyes if you get my drift.
Sam's not a coward though. The show actually fucked his character up as they made him responsible for Dolorus edds death n then he ran like a bitch. He shouldn't have been in the front lines to begin with as he was not a fighter.
I'll just like your comment for mentioning Oberyn ❤
@@PvtRainbow that shit gave me PTSD
@@nostalgicbliss5547 I think you're totally right. Sam arc is becoming a braver man. With what he has experienced and Gilly and little Sam I think it's wrong to call him a coward. Sam was always a coward until he found something to fight for.
The most annoying part of the season is all the times they cut away from a character being overwhelmed by wights and then about 10 minutes later they show up alive and well 😤
I'm convinced that D&D made almost every decision in season 8 to piss off everyone watching it. I'm just not sure why.
I thought that Brienne and Sam died at several point throughout the episode.
It's a wide spanning issue
@@niamhha9014 a pity ned stark didnt have that kind of plot armor !!!! Or robert with just a boar !!! I mean ... ONE boar kills robert ... but dozens of undead wights cant kill them no matter how many times they try...
Barely an inconvenience
It's still shocking to me how little people actually talk about the show anymore. Like it was so bad people collectively wiped it from their memories.
No, it is just that there are more important things in life than talking about this 24/7
I can't even start to rewatch it because I know how bad it will end.
Part of it might be the fact that another show actually came in at the same time and took away the limelight, a show that we did not know was being made until only a few months prior and was based on a real event.
@@nicon1391 Everyone ist still talking about The Lord of the Rings for example. Imagine what would have happen with two awesome lotr movies but a bad third one? For comparison, nobody is talking about the hobbit movies.
@The Beast Season 8 ruined the entire show, whatever how good the previous seasons were. That's why.
It’s been over a year since season 8 ended, and we’re still mad. That’s how unsatisfyingly terrible it is.
I find the videos on this channel about it very satisfying tho
I feel bad for the fans, for you guys. I'm sorry it ended so poorly.
All Sam did in that episode was roll around.
Latch on mommy loves u
And they Tool not 1 year to creat this mess as they used to creat their masterpieces no they had 2 years for this bs
I'll never forget how Tyrion went from being the smartest man in the room to being the opposite.
Or how Jon went from being a man of unbending conviction to a neutered puppy with unlimited plot armor.
Man don't get me started again lol. I'll be venting for hours.
How about Varys and Littlefinger
@@893263007 Oh most definitely. They suffered the same drop in intelligence. 😞
@@893263007 I actually loved those characters because they were so damn smart and could weasel their way out of everything. Their deaths still piss me off because it served no purpose.
@@brittanywilliams8653 The purpose was to get rid of them from the script because D&D weren't nearly smart enough to write for them. You cannot write a character smarter than yourself, and D&D are clearly not very bright.
I think the thing with Tyrion was that he knew exactly who he was and what his strengths and weaknesses were, and his character's power came from that. After killing Shae and Tywin, and losing everything, he lost his motivations, and with it, lost his mojo. It's not entirely stupid, but the way that it's not at all shown or demonstrated on-screen is just another wasted opportunity. Especially when he spent an entire season just getting drunk and pouting. So much wasted screen time.
Sometimes I'm going through my day and randomly remember season 8 and get pissed off
Same man. It makes me disgust
Same
@@razorultra9202 nah he has a good reason can’t blame him
Same bro
I love that you are one of the only people who still talk about how bad it is, that is how bad it is.
yes
It went from being something legendary people would talk about forever to something terrible people would talk about forever .. Sigh
@@rufus-re8bk I still wake up in the middle of the night screaming about how useless Bran's storyline was and where the fuck did Meera go. I haven't gotten a good night sleep in over a year due to this
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It's so bad even my deaf non English speaking grandma thought something was off with it
Compared to the book version. Show Euron is like a "Home Alone" movie villian
And I have nothing against the actor. He did the best he could
@@moneymayweathera I like him, purely because he killed off the entire Dorn plot.
@@moneymayweathera He was a big fan of books so i cant imagine his disappointment
The actor is somewhat annoying in general too though. Danish guy, quite obviously full of himself all the time, and not hiding it. So, I guess he was cast perfectly for this role (ignoring book Euron though..).
Shaeith you’re just insecure when you see a man with talent and confidence in himself. Cry harder and hate longer, loser
Just saying, Euron solo'd two sandsnakes and Yara but all of a sudden he can't handle a one-handed Jaime.
Tbf Jaimes legendary in book and show, obviously stupid an not realistic but fits into Jaimes arc being the greatest swordsmen ever except perhaps barristan and ser arthur, then losing his hand and becoming more humble and way less effective then practising back up to being very good again, just wish it had him training with it more and showing him being more proficient over time one handed then we got. Having him expertly using a shortsword in his left and using his metal hand and maybe a lower armguard as a club, or strapping a shield to his right arm and just have him become a sword and shield specialist like the guy in the vale from the first season but having to swap hands and re-train would of been better i think at keeping him believable deadly, on the show he just bumbles and we never see him getter really good again practising with bronn.
thats called sexism
@@richard6869 lol sexism. those two battles were not designed for the same effect. When he attacked the boat and charging with his axe, it was not only a surprise attack but it was Euron with all his might, anybody would have fallen. When he fought Jaime, Euron was exausted and it was basically to show a drag out, nasty battle between two beat up guys.
Brienne could hardly hold her own against a one-handed Jaime immedately after he was broken loose
@@LordSluggo ?
He had both hands during the bridge fight. The Boltons get them right after she beats him....
You only need three words to describe everything wrong with season eight: “Dumb and Dumber”.
Madness. Madness and stupidity.
Monroe Kelvin his were better
Your comment is a t thousand times more consistent than the script lol
@@monroekelvin8955 Lol I totally read it in Tywin's voice
Imagine having an HBO-level budget, an amazing cast, and a guaranteed extra 2 seasons and instead deciding to jump ship and churn out a nonsensical ending to what could have been the greatest series of all time.
I will never understand why they thought it was the correct thing to do
@@tsakibubis I think they knew and they really didn't care.. Doesn't make it any less mind boggling that they had the golden series in their hands and they dropped it
@@koko4620
Unfortunately i totally agree and it still stings like hell
Imagine if Martin didnt need 3000000 years to finish the book like they expected him to do when they made the show.
@@Labyriiint Martin deserves flak for reasons you mentioned but that has less to do with the shitty seasons 6-8. When the training wheels came off D&D did not deliver imo.
And they said the Battle of Winterfell was gonna be better than Helm's Deep in LoTr.
Yeah right
Maybe musically you could make an argument. The soundtrack was amazing as always. As were the special effects (those we could actually see). Everything else was pure trash. Fans could have made a better episode.
@@finsfan90 I really have to disagree with you on that particular point. NOTHING brings chills like the music in Helm's Deep. If you listen to the Two Towers score, specifically "The Hornburg" and "Forth Eorlingas" (sorry, I mean "FORTH... EORLINGAS!") plus the last minute of "Breath of Life," I mean... nothing beats that. Shore captured those scenes in his music. In comparison, the music in the Long Night was so boring. It felt rushed and didn't have the same heart as a lot of Djawadi's other GoT songs (e.g.: "Light of the Seven" S6; "Wildfire" S2; "Son of the Harpy" S5; "Finale" S1; "Dracarys" S3; "A Lannister Always Pays His Debts" S3; "Hardhome, Pt. 1&2" S5; "Let's Play A Game" S6). I'll give some credit to "The Night King": that is a really well-written piece, even for S8, but it's soured by the whole Arya/Bran debacle. I'm still really disappointed with how lackluster S8's soundtrack was.
Anyway, the long and the long of it is the music in the Long Night really sucked, even for Djawadi. Helm's Deep definitively had better music than the Long Night.
LotR:
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Forth Eorlingas: th-cam.com/video/ESnMzQZubKg/w-d-xo.html
Breath of Life: th-cam.com/video/J9AOTMNoFKY/w-d-xo.html
GoT:
Light of the Seven: th-cam.com/video/60xrQTUPies/w-d-xo.html
Wildfire: th-cam.com/video/oEuGWEaxbcg/w-d-xo.html
Son of the Harpy: th-cam.com/video/Wa1NpajBJ6U/w-d-xo.html
Finale: th-cam.com/video/0EF2t4hFGzo/w-d-xo.html
Dracarys: th-cam.com/video/OfmoyTL64R0/w-d-xo.html
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Hardhome, Pt. 1: th-cam.com/video/7d3dyruohGc/w-d-xo.html
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Well i did say "maybe" 😉. Everyone has their own opinion on it.
Yeah, and the Rohhirim weren't stupid enough to place their army outside the fucking wall, they put it behind the battlements in relative safety. Y'know, what they designed and built it for in the first place!
The military tactics actually mattered in previous seasons of GoT and were logical, then they just...eurgh.
Blackwater: Lannister army man's the walls around the city. Good.
Winterfell: Bolton's place army outside the safety of the castle walls.
Winterfell 2: Northerners and Unsullied place army outside the safety of the castle walls.
Let's build huge castles with huge walls around them, but not use them for the function they were specifically built for in the first place.
Logic.
🙃
The music maybe is the less bad of this scene. The GoT soundtrack is really good, but the LotR trilogy soundtrack is on a whole different level, it’s a truly masterpiece. In my opinion, of course. And, yeah they did dare to say this battle was going to be better than Helm’s deep. To say something like that was pretentious and stupid, and tells a lot about the show runners.
Shocking twist : Hodor is actually smarter than D&D...
this is not a twist
Not shocking in any way. And also more verbally efficient.
It makes me sad that *this* is what poor Hodor ultimately died for. He and all the other beloved characters who bit the dust over the predecing seven seasons. All their sacrifice, all their pain... led to *this.*
Haaaa, no you didn't 😭😂😂😂😭
Bruh even Patchface is smarter than D&D
This is too much horrible action in this season.
We are far from the golden dialogues of Tywin and where Tyrion was smart..
d and d had them lobotomized
Tywin dying on the toilet was very symbolic of where the show would eventually go
The action is the only thing D&D seemed to care about.
Aint nothing worse than Arya killing NK. Terrible plot, terrible action
She wasnt even involved with that friggin story line! It woulda been like if Sansa killed Euron. No logic to it at all...just plain old moronic. It was Jon Snows kill, period. NK vs Jon was the battle that we all wanted to see.
@@finsfan90 That and "Who has a better story than Bran the broken?" Still burns the F.... out of me!!
The worst thing is, why the fuck did the NK took so long only to pull of his sword to kill Bran and NK also did nothing when arya dropped the dagger and just look at it, waiting to be killed.
I still can't believe there wasn't an epic sword fight between the NK and Jon, so disappointed.
Can someone please take off the Season 8 Wikipedia page that people praised Arya killing the Night King? Because we did not. That needs to be removed and shoved in D&D's faces.
I don't think I'll ever get bored of watching people drag season 8 of GoT, especially when they break things down on a technical level like you (your humor is also very endearing).
The plot amour is so cringe. Like so many characters should’ve died in the in Long Night!! Brienne should’ve died once, Arya, Sam should’ve died like 3 times and no main characters down in the crypt died!?? Like when Ned died it established that ANY character can die at any point but D&D took that suspense away because everyone already knew that no major characters could die
why was sam even fighting? heck, why didn't they send everyone south who couldn't fight
Also uh, what happened to “everyone over 12(?) has to fight” why were the children and women in the crypts when they could lend battle power
Honestly it was too dark because D&D sucked, HBO wanted to throw more money at it and make more seasons. I highly doubt budget was an issue.
D&D rushed it because they had recieved a deal with Disney to make a star wars movie. What makes it worse, is that after season 8's release, the deal was cut meaning the morons ruined GOT for nothing.
Once again it was not dark it your TV you need to turn on lighting more.
@@sophiawilson8696 You shouldn't have to turn the brightness up all the way on your TV to see it lol. It was too dark.
@@sophiawilson8696 It was, look at the battle of helm's deep in lord of the rings, that's how you properly make and light a battle during night time. And you shouldn't have to turn up the brightness on your tv or computer in the middle of an episode, that's fkn ridiculous.
@@sophiawilson8696 Why would you need to turn up the lighting if it wasn't dark? Do you hear yourself?
i never cared about the action i just wanted good story, and the fact that we literally never got explanation about why the white walkers just wanna destroy and kill everyone, we know children of forest made them, but it wouldve been cool if the night king actually spoke to reveal why he does what he does,
Anas Ahbouch not sure about him speaking. Part of his character was his silent menace. He can’t be reasoned with, he can’t be argued with he’s just death incarnate. But some sort of explanation or motivation would’ve still been preferable. With the threat of the White Walkers being dealt with so early in the season their entire purpose in the story was negated, with the only reason they were there being to unite the main characters, but otherwise they could’ve been written out of the show entirely with all they served at the end
@@corpsebrigadepowerhouse993 i get your point but the symbols the white walkers kept making and general behavior was never truly explained, was the night king himself a puppet controlled by the world magic trying to get rid of humans or some dark entity or forgotten old god, and somehow the noght king being a stark
Anas Ahbouch Bran did say he just wants to kill everything. He also said the reason why he wants to kill the Three Eyed Raven,to kill the very memory of the world. As to why the NK wants do do it is like you said never explained. Which is why I hope in the books the Walkers are more than just a world ending threat. Oh and Cersei somehow being the big bad instead of the NK is just horribly dumb.... Rat-brained idiot Cersei is more of a threat than.....Westoros Lich King....
The fact that they decided to focus more on action than story is disappointing, and then they go and fail at the action too. It's not worth anything at that point.
dead corpses doesnt need to talk and why would the night king reveal anything except for forced exposition we already know? that wouldnt make any sense anyway. its better if he doesnt talk at all. its more menacing that way and you dont have to listen to his bs. :)
Keep doing these videos until Martin release the books.
2040.
Well, at least it will be a masterpiece as were the previous books, and the time he takes is justified
Bence Balázs he’s stuffing his fat mouth with cakes filled with icing and donuts to clog his veins
Now that was funny 😆 in 2040 we the fans are still waiting for the books.
@@balazs.bence300 Oh my god you Martin zealot fans are soooo annoying... The guy obviously struggles to meet this ever increasing level of perfection all of you are expecting from him, stop trying to convince yourself that it's always "justified". The last two books weren't masterpieces, compare the pacing with the third book and it's obvious that the author has more and more problems to keep his stories from exploding in every direction.
Now, the next book MIGHT be that good that it manages to make everything converge smoothely, but if I were you I'd judge with it in hand instead of making wild guesses beforehand... Judging from the pacing, I'm betting any money, but I'm starting to wonder if you'd recognise it even if it were really bad at this point (which hopefully it won't... fingers crossed).
He ain’t finishing jack-all.
5:51 I wish Jeyne Poole and Elia Martell had samwell tarly's plot armour
And Doran, Areo Hotah, Greatjon, Wyman Manderly and the rest.
@@balazs.bence300 Wyman Manderly didn't die, yes?
And Theon, Jorah, Sandor, Beric, Edd...
Why commenting thrice on the video? :?
Cleganebowl is so dissapointibg for me. I always thought that Sandor's arc was about finding something better than revenge and that was Arya. I think that if Sandor killed Gregor to save Arya, hence proving that he's moved on from his petty revenge quest amd found something better. This is further supported by GoT treatment of revenge. Revenge is condemned and treated as a selfish concept that ultimatley gets people killed. This wasnt continued after the DnD takeover but I think this is a better way for cleganebowl to play out
Cleganebowl happened because fans wanted it, not because the story for the Hound was naturally heading that way
Exactly, there was literally no reason to suicide himself by tackling Mountain off the building, it made no sense. The hound could have just walked away and probably been faster than him
He was even supposed to adhere to that septon's philosophy that "violence is a disease, and you don't kill a disease by spreading it"...
For all of the problems with the end of GoT i don't think this was one of them. Sandor tells arya how revenge only leads to self destruction, and then demonstrates that to us by dying with his brother. I think that despite recognizing the futility of revenge, sandor was inextricably tied to his brother - he believed it was his destiny to be the one to end his brother's murderous life.
The result of the hound's growth was in guiding arya away from revenge, while being unable to live by his own revelation. He's a classic tragic hero
@@oniongreen13 i agree, but personally it wouldve been more satisfying to see him kill Gregor not for revenge but for arya. Its not terrible by any means but could've been way better.
Also the way they both die together is good but the fact that they just fall into the fire is so dumb lol
"Hardhome" will forever be my personal "Long Night"-substitute. It was sooooo much better!
Terrifying, tons of dead people, including characters that we just got connected with a few moments prior, and a chilling ending. And you can actually fcking see it. So much better
best action scene in the whole show imo
@@joshjohnson2753 the way those skeleton landslide from cliff. Never gonna forget that
Tbh the idea of Jaime teleporting around and Euron just being confused as all hell is hilarious
Just to add to that King's Landing scene - try to spot a Lannister Soldier that kills an enemy. I've tried, but all you ever see is Northmen, Unsullied and Dothraki killing Lannisters, never a single one of them actually defeating one of the "good guys" soldiers.
It’s pathetic. It’s like they just gave up. These Lannister soldiers have been fighting for 7 years. Most want to return home. Yet they are like fuck it just kill me
I don't think that's a problem. They get attacked by a dragon and overwhelming number of Northmen and Dothraki while their leader just sits in the keep. Of course their defence and morale just completely collapses and they get massacred.
@@Beltims Where are those "overwhelming" numbers coming from, though? "Half" (in reality all) Dothraki died at Winterfell, as did the northmen. The North was not that populated to beginn with and the Dothraki are not fighting on horseback but on the ground - where they should be worse than a common Westerosi soldier since thats his home terrain. The hordes of Dothraki are effective from the back of a horse, not on foot. In essence - there are magically many Northmen and Dothraki, exhausted, depleted in nummers and hungry. They just got decimated by undead, marched for days without end and _still_ they are so easy at dispatching rested and well fed troops that should have the numerical advantage (if there was any realism left) _and_ fighting on their home turf? Nothing on that siege makes sense.
There were so many aspects wrong in season 8 GOT, that u could literally just run a channel based on that.
Lord knows people do. Most of them aren't particularly insightful or funny though [cough] for example ^ [cough]
I also love how suddenly dragon fire can destroy anything. The reason Harrenhall still has relatively standing ruins, is because when Aegon invaded and attacked harrenhall, dragon fire roasted the people inside because fire is hot. It didn’t destroy everything.
I think I heard that it was originally going to be the wildfire caches being set off by dragon fire and that’s why the effects are like that, but it was a while ago, so I don’t know
Not to mention that the dragon that Aegon rode was much bigger and stronger than Drogon...
@@paigestubbs9718 But then wouldn't the fire be more greenish? Or have at least some kind of green tones in it?
@@SebitorLP I think I remember reading somewhere that originally they were gonna have Dany destroy the red keep and that lead to the destruction of all of kings landing due to all the wildfire placed around the city. Which would’ve been way more believable because Danny’s rage would’ve been directed at Cersie but still ultimately lead to the destruction of the city leading to conflict among Danny’s allies. But instead they decided to change it to Dany turning into a crazy murderous mad queen for no reason.
@@kainekennedy5012I don’t know why but I absolutely love this idea! You write it so Jon survives somehow (maybe he isn’t in the city) but you almost have a repeat of the Doom of Valyria only with wildfire. Kings Landing getting nuked from Dany wanting revenge and not knowing about wildfyre would have been way more satisfying and opened up some interesting stuff to come
The thing I’m angry about the most is that they made jon being a targeryn be such a big deal for so long just for it to barely impact the show other than him constantly saying he didn’t want to be king.
Aye dun wunt et
The most disturbing thing for me was an unarmed john snow screaming at a dragon and the dragon pausing the listen to him screaming...
I heard there was a deleted scene where he saw R-yah skulking over the rooftops so tried to distract the zombie dragon.
The wights really be waiting their turn to attack Brienne
They're just being proper gentlemen.
@@rafetizer lmfao
Season 7 just as bad as season 8. They butchered Robert's Rebellion backstory
@FORREST GUMP yeah the story of the dialogue was good but it sounded like someone in the 21st century talking not medieval times, like when do you hear dialogue like "by what right dare you lay hands on my blood" anymore
Unpopular opinion, but the show started getting bad around season 4.
I dropped after the 100th scene of a main character killing someone horribly with a cold, emotionless look on their face.
I realized the showrunners were more concerned with making those scenes look "badass" than with the emotional impact of the character's actions on themselves and on the viewers
@@VNdoug season 4 was the last good season, they fucked it with Dorne.
Finally someone said it. I loathed season 7.
@FORREST GUMP I see book Brienne as witty in her movements and processing risk. Like how she pushed the bolder onto the ship that followed them from riverrun (they had no chance of escape) and then scaled the cliff to land back in the boat when Jaime thought he was going to escape. Physically she is dextrous as well as big probably due to how females are more flexible then men. The way she processed threats in the book to escape capture and being mugged was pretty impressive. The hound is big and relys on strength not necessarily adaptation throughout fighting. It seems that an infection could have such an impact of someone with rigid fighting tactics.
Me the longer im recalling all this horrible stuff:
*just give me something for the pain and let me die*
😫🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here is some milk of the poppy kind sir
@@maddog4753 thank you kind sir
I really did not like cleganebowl. I do not think it will happen in the books. The hound, a killer and a thief, changing his life and finding peace is a much more beautiful ending than "gotta kill my brother now".
Agreed. He seemed to have found some friends for once in his life then he regressed back to his obsession with his brother.
He's dead in the books.
@@leonpaelinck Not confirmed, and there's speculation that he's the gravedigger on the Quiet Isle.
Why would Hound even care about his brother being alive as a mindless zombie? You'd think Sandor would prefer that, as that's a fate most would consider worse than death.
@@leonpaelinck Nope
I love how Euron practically loses to Jaimie when Euron is clearly a great fighter and Jaimie’s whole character arc is partly based on the fact that he can’t even win a fight against an average soldier anymore.
The action Jaime and Brien got was forced too IMO
Their non sexual conversations earlier were more scintillating.
One Knight Stand.
That one falls into the category of "Fan Service".
Arya and Gendry, too.
@@RGK93 One Knight Hand.
GoT: "We don't do generic fantasy tropes".
Also GoT: "If you kill the NK, his entire army dies because they are magically linked to him."
I like to think Cersei spent so much time staring out the window because she was like “wtf is going on, why did Daenerys snap and turn mad in half a second”
You know what's really weird about it is that The Long Night cinematographer also worked on the movie Overlord, which didn't have a giant budget either but it was very well lit and used very creative effects when it needed. Plus it didn't look like they shot in jet blackness; it was lit enough to see what was going on and used some unique color too, gave it a comic book feel but in a good way. Just because your grim/gritty/realistic fantasy needs to be all that doesn't mean it's not got to actually look that way, guys and not look like you forgot lighting was a thing. Jeez, at least use a bloody light meter or something.
Lord of the rings solution was kinda blue light as in "it's full moon" - viewers are happy and it fits to your grim/gritty/realistic fantasy - problem solved.
@@maade9642 That does fix the problem; too bad D&D actually hated the fantasy angle.
Once again it was your TV not the Director problem. Your monitor was to low on lighting setting. Turn up high and battle of Night King should up a lot better.
@@sophiawilson8696 I watched the episode at night, I had not that much problems like others but nonetheless is the lighting bad. As an example: If you need to turn up the volume higher than with any other movie to hear properly it's a failure of the movie not your TV - same with the lighting. As we explained here you could keep the atmosphere AND have good lighting if you would make it like in lord of the rings.
Remember R+L=J?
What a waste.
I’m someone who plays strategy games and who loves to turtle (it’s when you set up a defensive perimeter and hold the line - very fun -even more fun to break.
The Battle of Winterfell is so bad that even non-strategy players can poke holes in it.
What was the plan for defeating the army. Yes the goal was to kill the NK, but you’d think that the goal to achieve that would be to kill enough zombies so that the White walkers get involved.
What was the plan with the Dothraki? Charge into the darkness (their plan didn’t involve flaming swords too, Melisandre wasn’t expected)
What was the plan with the unsullied? Just die basically
What was the plan with the moat of fire? Wait for it to go out or for the undead to adapt to it - remember two towers, nonstop arrow volleys.
Why were the trebuchets in front of the infantry? why were the infantry in front of the moat of fire? Why were the light cavalry charging blind into an army?
I wanted a back and forth where the armies of the living would win against the hoarse of the undead with their fortifications, but a WW or the NK or Viserion would break said fortification and then they’d have to fall back to the next fortification. Similar to in Return of the king how the nazgul fucked with Minas Tiriths trebuchets.
The goal should be. Multiple moats of fire with unsullied at the front spearing through. With fire arrows being launched too. A WW clears the first moat and the dead pour through. The unsullied are quick to respond, but it’s obvious the sheer numbers and the fact it’s a dead army with no fear or pain, can’t be stopped so they fall back to the next moat of fire. Several characters are killed. Brienne could duel with a WW and kill it and that causes a lot of undead around to die and the NK is forced to react. A roar is heard, they look up to see a blue light behind the cloud and fog, the fire bursts through and demolishes the next moat of fire leaving one moat left, the unsullied do their thing again and hold the line while everyone retreats. Dany and Jon were holding back until the last moat anyway. Jon starts hitting the undead when the first moat fell and tells Dany she can come or not when the next moat falls. They didn’t want both the dragons to be vulnerable to the Night King.
I could go on but what’s hilarious is how my plot is worth 0 dollars and dumb and dumber made millions.
Yeah there was nothing good in the Battle of Winterfell. My favourite "kinda forgot" moment was then they hide the women, children and Tyrion down in the crypt. They are fighting an enemy who can raise the dead and they hide their vulnerable in a crypt full of corpses. *facepalm*
Personally I like the idea of the Night King surprising them by bypassing Winterfell altogether and marching south to King's Landing. This would take care of the issue of having two main antagonists and mean we could have one final climactic battle instead of two. However I'm not sure how Daenerys' turn to madness would happen in this scenario.
@@bluemountain4181 Let's not forget how the dead in the crypts punch their way out of stone caskets but the Wight they captured in season 7 couldn't get out of a wooden box.
I had a similar narrative in mind. With the living constantly having to fall back further and further south towards the twins, and make their final stand there. 2-3 full episodes of battle. Definitely not one single episode to kill the big bad of the series.
@@bluemountain4181
The worst part is, even if the dead people in the crypt weren't a problem, it still doesn't make any sense to put the non-combatants in there. Winterfell is a freaking CASTLE--it's got a keep! The entire purpose of the keep is to have a bastion to fall back to if the enemy captures the walls!
I would argue that there were a few good things about the episode though. The tone of the whole episode was fantastic. The music was perfect. If the tactics and character decisions had been better and if there hadn't been so much plot armour, I would've really liked it. As it stands, I actually feel strongly conflicted about it.
@@5h0rgunn45 The music was epic, but that was the only thing I liked about that episode. Actually I liked Arya's cat-and-mouse scene with the wights in the library too but it felt out of place in the middle of the battle.
I really like the idea of Jaime teleporting because of plot armor and it causes Euron to question reality
Maybe Euron was just high and totally not getting what was happening around him.
I'd add that Brienne of Tarth, in particular, was a head scratcher. Seems in every scene she was getting pulled to the ground doing that helpless wail of hers. Then -- boom, she's back in the action.
The action-packed episodes are the ones I re-watch the least. Be it Blackwater, Hardhome, Battle of Bastards, Long Night. Not that they’re all bad (except the wight-hunt - this was just bad). It’s just that this is not really what GoT is all about.
I never found myself wishing they showed the full battle in season 1 where Tyrion blacked out before it started. Because the battle action itself didn’t really matter for the bigger picture.
In later seasons, there was not enough “bigger picture” left anymore, so action became and more central to attract viewers.
FORREST GUMP Agree, good points. And with Tyrion’s chain, there was even some creative mil tactics involved. Like the opposite of the long night...
I have been rewatching all the great season 1-4 dialogue scenes several times. for GoT, I take 1 minute of smart banter over 60 minutes of pretty good action every time.
Tbh. I wish the white walkers had never existed and the show would instead have focused on the war for the iron Throne. I would have wanted to see more of Robb's battles and Daenerys should have traveled to Westeros in season 3 after she gets the unsullied and the gold from the slave guys
I always loved rewatching Hardhome because of the impact it has on the story. Oh wait...
Blackwater is actually my favourite episode of GoT, but otherwise I absolutely agree.
I love that in The Long Night all of the Darthraki and Unsuiled are wiped out, yet in the next episode or two they’re back to numbers in the thousands.
Supercuts: *mentions Joffrey*
Me: *sigh* good times, good times
(Imagine making me *miss* Joffrey)
"I'm a main character."
Wights: "Understandable. Have a nice day."
8:55 Imagine a reaction shot of Dany as Drogon's burning the city. Imagine a shot of her crying and screaming as her fury and madness finally come to the surface. How cool would that have been to give the moment some depth. But no, we just get a CGI dragon puppet burning and destroying buildings.
Honestly I would have liked an actual reason for her to do so, before doing it she was already a psychotic and hypocritical bitch that I wished death upon every time she was on screen, but in that moment she just won without any issues, she had no reason whatsoever to break and go genocide the entire town. Nobody provoked her, she didn't spot Cersei or anything, she just went berserk for the sake of it.
@@dwight3555 I think the idea of her growing mad sucks. It's just insulting to women. All Queens in GoT are either assholes or mad.
@@larafuchs706 Err.. how about Margaery Tyrell? She is portrayed as intelligent, ambitious, but kind. And how is portraying a woman as a murderer insulting to women? Is Ramsay Bolton insulting to men? Is Joffrey insulting to boys? These people are not defined by their gender.
@@larafuchs706 A lot of characters in GoT are assholes or mad. Or mad assholes.
@@dwight3555
Missandei should have been the reason. They also could have added that the people were openly hating dany. So bestie gone and the people hate her=burn them all.
I think the most egregious example is with Sam. They have Jon make the choice of the greater good and not go back and save is friend. It could have been a great long term character moment. Instead, Sam lives and Jon does nothing of consequence for the rest of the episode.
I agree
everyone : stop beating that horse its already dead...
me : SWOOOORD!
It's like the big budget Hollywood equivalent of a 6 year old playing with action figures in a sandbox.
God i'd love to see got but everytime Jon is confused a loading icon appears next to him. Please make some scenes like that it's hilarious
Correction: the mountain is def not one of the best fighters in game of thrones. Like sure he’s good but he’s also just massive and very intimidating and you’re done if you get hit once by him. He’s also very strong. Sándor is clearly the better fighter than the mountain but he wouldn’t die because of his undead zombie state. Obryn Martell had the mountain beat until he got cocky. I’m sure Jon Snow and Bronn could beat the mountain one on one. Bronn just didn’t want to chance it with being Tyrion’s champion. I’m talking about the regular mountain, not the zombie one. Two handed Jamie in his prime could beat the mountain. But agreed, season 8 was complete shit.
Martial arts are about using your gifts, body type, strengths effectively. There is surly more skilled fighters, but his average skill combined with his supreme muscle power and height, and surprising speed, is what makes him one of the best. If we’re talking about pure skill, with fighters alive and in their prime, then that’s another story, Jaime with both his hands, Jon Snow, the Hound, Obryn, all take top spots in whatever order, but The Mountain can take people out with muscle power 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Bron wouldn’t beat the Mountain lol
Jon would not beat the mountain lol
I’m still mad that after so long I didn’t see the Night King fight a single person 😒
Even worse when you realise the actor was the main sword fight choreographer on set and did the dual wielding scenes as Arthur Dwayne. So much wasted potential 😓
@@iplayeddsharpminor Why change the actor of the Night King then ? That very dumb you change the actor of one the most important character to someone with specials skills for in the end not using it at all.
I still wonder why HBO didn't say anything to D & D about the last two seasons, I can't remember a day where people weren't mad about the way the show was taking back then
Money talks apparently
Im impressed that the more money and time they got the show got worse:)
HBO: Here are several more seasons and hundreds of millions of dollars at your disposal.
D&D: Best I can do is six episodes and scripts pulled from Tumblr.
To me something that actually annoyed me was how fast and nimble the wights are. Most of them don't have any more muscle tissue, being essentially skeletons. They should be basically just shambling around. But they wouldn't be scary and would be easily defeated? Sure, but the whole point of them is they are unrelenting, innumerable and they can even be raised again. They could have taken their time and still would have won. The heroes could have easily run for their lives and it still would have been terrifying, perhaps even moreso.
And IMHO, I think Arya could have indeed killed the Nightking, but *after* being distracted by a duel with Jon. Best of both worlds!
They should have done a Witch King scenario. Have Jon on the backfoot, the Night King is about to finish him...Then have Arya backstab the Night King, he shrieks in pain, allowing Jon to decapitate him.
10:13 "The reason why this is an objectively bad fight scene"
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I finished GOT in april of this year and I had no one to talk about the ending with bc everyone seemed to have forgotten about the show after a year.
So I’m loving your analysis
My least favourite scene in the entire show was during the Long Night when Jon paused and had to make a decision between saving Sam or going after Viserion. There was actually a lot of emotion in that scene as he decided to leave his best friend to die in order to fight an extremely tough opponent that had been hyped up and yet to get a good action scene. The setting was perfect for Jon to fight a dragon, something that also has never been done in the show. It would have been a powerful scene.... But then the dragon falls to bones as Jon is about to get killed after doing nothing and then Sam somehow doesn't die, rendering Jon's initial impossible decision absolutely useless and devoid of any emotion. So after all that hype all we saw from Viserion was him getting absolutely bodied by Rhaegal. But at least Jon got to yell at a dragon instead of like...I don't know... fighting it?. That was cool right? RIGHT!?
The reason we don’t see Dany go mad is because they didn’t tell Emilia Clarke she was murdering all of kings landing. They just had her do some green screen shots up to the point we saw, then did vfx for the rest.
i mean i get doing the "surprising the actors stuff" but in such an important scene... this works on other stuff
I kinda wanted there to be 9 seasons of game of thrones with season 8 ending with the night king on the iron throne
@P S it's bettert than him literally wanting nothing
Yeah because I mean we all knew jon and the others were going to win so the night king making his way to kings landing would be cool
You kinda already did it here and maybe somebody else has. BUT we need a "Cersei staring out the window for x-minutes straight" video.
Thats all she does for like the last 3 seasons and it's started to piss me off so much.
This man will not rest until he destroys every single aspect of this season.
A Man is correct On his statement
Still beating a dead horse, I see...
I appreciate it.
I wish he meantioned how before the clegane bowel the hound kills the entire queens guard in like two swing of a sword and they’re meant to be the highest trained knights, it’s so stupid
The show ended so badly that still gives you content to make videos about. Amazing
and this show has also plenty good compilations to make but he is obsessed with bad things
Regarding Cleganebowl: I hated how the queensguard were just swatted aside like flies. Are these really among the best soldiers/fighters in Westeros?
Well they should be, but the show doesn't really have characters for them.
No. But the Hound is one of the best.
Euron: throws Jaime
Jaime: *teleports behind Euron*
you did a great job with this analysis, especially with your points about inconsistency. Inconsistency is the death of coherent story-telling. The audience will not have a clear understanding of what the characters are like, what they can do and cannot do, what their intentions are and etc., and as a result, any kind of story you're telling about them loses any ground and becomes a pointless mesh of events. Season 8 was a great example of this. People in film schools should use it as a model for how not to write a TV show.
They even contracted a master swordsman like Vladimir Furdik.
for what?
Only to raise his arms
Another point regarding the long night episode is the utter lack of competence by all the characters when planning for the battle. To think that they have proven war tacticians in Jamie, Tyrion, Jon, Jorah, Tormund to name a few… and their chosen tactics are unbelievably stupid.
They are up against a countless horde of undead that would overrun them in the field, but they luckily have one of the most formidable fortresses in Winterfell. Yet they decide to plonk everyone OUTSIDE the walls. Putting their artillery, one of their chief counters against the dead, out in front so they can only let off one cinematic barrage before it’s instantly overrun. Suicide charging the Dothraki (light cavalry) head first into the darkness with flame swords just for another cinematic scene. Having that time to prepare for the battle and only digging a couple of ditches when they could’ve made way more obstacles. Not having oil barrels, but Bron can even think of that for kings landing. Putting the women and children in the CRYPTS. I could go on.
Even if the lightning was good enough so that we could see the battle, the illogical tactics could send any total war player mad. It’s been years since S8 and I’m still not over it lol
Dan and Dave: "we did well enough on the multiple choice, I'll just bs the final essay"
Lmao good analogy.
When you remember in season 4 we had the epic fights of the mountain vs oberyn and the hound vs brienne. Not only did the fights dip in quality, they also dipped in frequency. Season 7 and 8 were begging for 1v1 duels with actually good choreography.
If you're gonna have the wights be canon fodder like this, at least make them like the walkers, from the Walking Dead. Mindless, slow, easily dispatched, ect. At least that makes sense for how each main character survives.
*Hodor:* "I held the door for this???"
"Destruction of kings landing was enjoyable"
Yea i like to watch people burn too
= )
I hated that City from Episode 1
Who are you, General Sherman? :-D
@@akosleoszilagyi2529 the tree?
@@92brunod What tree?
Cleganebowl was dumb from a story standpoint, but then bringing back The Hound was dumb anyway. He had a full character arc before then, but they just wanted to bring him back for the ratings I guess.
Cleganebowl happened because that's what the dumbed down masses wanted. Not what fans invested in the story from the start wanted.
still have nightmares of how the greatest show ever made turned into the worst ending that could happen in TV
I remember when The Long Night came out, idiots were saying that people who complained about not being able to see it should “get a better TV”. I watched it on my TV (when I’d normally use my IPad), turned the brightness all the way up, and I still couldn’t see it.
lol 🤣
Its breakdowns of the flaws in the latter seasons, like this and the others you've put together, that really show how clueless the cast are when they the claim the fans are just disappointed that their characters didnt 'win.'
I do find it genuinely insulting whenever a cast member speaks out against the s8 petition (whether it has merit or not), because they completely miss the reasons why the fans are so upset/angry/frustrated.
Notification squad
U make me sad with these videos, PTSD is strong with this season
When you realise that GRRM's books where the only thing making the script of GOT good.
D & D: Will you please stop bashing our show?
ScD: No❤️
That opening with jon beating the shit out of Ramsay perfectly exemplifies the entire fandoms feelings.😞😞😔
I think they should've killed Arya in destruction of King's Landing it would've been surprisng and having Jon find her body would give a reason to confront her without whining that she's his queen
gay ass plot armor ruined the show
In many ways, "The Long Night" is the reverse "Battle of the Bastards", in that the later felt more realistic than most if not all epic cold-weapon battles in films. In "Battle of the Bastards", the spectacle was in service of the real strategies and tactics, and you could tell Ramsay was a tactical genius who correctly anticipated each and every move of Jon Snow. On the contrast, "The Long Night" made little strategical or tactical sense from beginning to end.
Battle of the Bastards also has issues. Later in the battle they got surrounded by the Bolton phalanx, and couldn't do anything about it, right? Well, if they gave their motherfookin' GIANT some long, heavy weapon, even just a tree trunk, he would smash the Bolton formation. They probably wouldn't even get to form it and encircle the Stark army in the first place.
I agree entirely. Battle of the bastards was an excellent medieval battle and one of the rawest and most down to earth I've seen on film. Sure there is always things to nitpick but it was phenomenal television. I like to pretend GOT ended at season 6 finale.
The battle of the bastards was awful in terms of realism ,jon has the same amount of plot armor he has in the fight against the white walkers
It started has probably the best fight scene I ever watch, with that moment where Jon is in the middle of the charge. That moment is incredible. But I hate the wall of corpses (WTF!!!) Thats fucking impossible. And why Jon let the Boltons surrond them without trying to break out? The pikes didn't work until everyone is on formation.
And the worst of all of course is the Deus ex Machina that saved everyone.
I can't imagine HBO giving GoT a budget cut considering the money it brought in, I think 20 million is the amount it took to bring this to life since everything was less, there was less effort less man power and ofcourse less quality all of this because D&D wanted star wars which when Karma struck back, they lost Star wars too
In my estimation, if an action scene isn't set up right it can still be okay.
If it is set up horribly, it can't be good.
Nothing in season 8 made sense, so I can't enjoy the action.
I'm just upset that D&D missed such an amazing opportunity to completely subvert our expectations as an audience. They couldn have had our main characters COMPLETELY underestimate the power of the Night King and lose the battle instead basically end the Night king plot in the space of a single episode.
The scene where Drogon goes through the Tower of the Hand, with Dany on his back. I know, Plot Armor, but seriously, how is Jon even able to stab her? She can go through solid walls without a scratch😂
Cleganebowl was bad too. There were no rules for the Mountain: he was just kind of immortal until the script said otherwise. The Hound's attacks had no weight nor significance.
So many cuts, it’s almost a marvel movie
Marvel movies have much better action scenes tbh, or how else they gonna get so popular
This has to be a joke right? Not all marvel movies have great action scenes but having many cuts(when there is no need for it) is not something marvel movies are known for.Endgame,Infinity war,Civil war,Winter soldier,Far from home,Iron man,Avengers 1 all have marvelous action scenes that are rooted in character.Having cuts isn't bad,some action scenes need it. The first avengers(the final battle( and Infinity war are masterclasses in action.While most DC characters fight the same way(not saying they're bad but even in the comics there isn't that much variety) all marvel characters fight in a different way and even in the tactics they use,like how Tony wants to bring the fight to Thanos's home planet and Steve wants to protect what they have.(again rooted in character).I could go on and on but you get my point.
*it's nearly an Olivier Megaton movie
Books: Action scenes are grounded in reality, with a use of realism and military tactics to determine who and how people die, regardless of their popularity.
Season 8: He’s a main character, so his plot armor is indestructible.
When they sent the Dothraki into the night I realised everything would go terribly
Meanwhile George R. R. Martin said that he doesn’t want to write character points of view from every character just for the plot as it would ruin the characters themselves.
A stark difference from D&D making Tyrion dumb just so that the story can go onward.
Supercut Delights: *makes another video about how Season 8 sucks*
Us: yessss goood
My first warning of the action taking a quality dip came in season 7. They fighting on the lake and the wights just attacked everyone one at a time and stood in line. Then that's exactly what happens to main characters during the long night.
they missed Nymeria wolfpack VS Viserion wighh
they missed Jon Snow vs the Vladimir Vutnik Night King
they missed Arya using her face changing ability to sneaking into Cerseis room
they missed alot of things.
and they kinda forgot
I know I’m late to this video but a few defenses I have for the long night, the darkness during the long night was explained that it was extremely dark if I recall correctly by the old lady(can’t remember her name) that told stories in to bran while he was in bed. The other defense I have for the episode was about the Dothraki charge and competence of the wights there compared to the rest of the episode, the wights were probably packed very tightly together and when the Dothraki hit their line they probably were able to get through a few rows but it would have gotten to dense for the horses and the impact likely would have made the Dothraki go flying off their horses causing a large pileup and the fact there were giants probably made the situation worse l, you could have probably mentioned how many giants were shown they had in the past compared to the one we actually got in the episode.