Same. But there's nothing wrong with it, we're disappointed because we were so passionate about this story and to see everything that was built up just to be thrown in the trash 🗑 just for means to an end really hurts 😔.
The sheer arrogance of D&D really gets me. When absolutely everyone wanted GoT to continue, when HBO wanted to give them another 2 seasons to wrap it up, they wrote up this rush job and expected absolutely everyone, from actor to critic, to applaud them for their ingenuity.
I felt betrayed when my favorite character Stannis got executed by D&D in season 5. I didn't foresee that they would screw up the whole show in the end, though.
Here’s something that no one has ever complained about: Jon, Bran, Arya and Sansa don’t mention Rickon ONCE. While he was an unimportant character to the audience, he was THEIR BABY BROTHER. His death should have as much impact as Ned’s, Robb’s and Catelyn’s deaths to them.
@@rias.gremoryyy sure, but the fact that they didnt do any logical type of extra fortifications is silly. Even another short wall all the way around would have provided another way to slow them down and kill them slowly. Just terrible writing at the end
@@brettsnyder5858 I agree, a lot if flaws there..but another wall wouldn't change anything either..in that situation there were like 10 times more whites than alive soldiers, it would slowed them down but not for long, the night king would still reach bran.. reasonably thinking, everyone there would've been dead, except Daenerys maybe, she could fly away if she wanted
@@rias.gremoryyy well to be honest, they could have put a better defense with a double line of fire trenches, a presighted trebuchets, and a hasty wall not to stop them but to slow them down also they could make a better use of the Dothraki and yes, the objective was to lure the Night King towards Bran in order to kill it, massive casualities would be expected but that doesn't mean they needed to lose Half their army doing so, and let's remember, the more the white walkers kill, the more their army grows, is non sensical to put such a battle plan that is going to cause massive casulties in short time, rather to create an scenario in which they could slow down the wights whilst reducing their own casualties, also Dragons, i can't belive they have the equivalent to a stuka bomber and they decided not to use them from the begining, either for scouting or to support the Dothraki or infantry they had
Ned in season 8: I never cared much for honor. Baelish in season 8: I never cared much for the game. Jorah in season 8: I never cared much for Daenarys. Viserys in season 8: I never cared much for the throne.
Robert in S8: I never really cared about Lyanna Tywin in S8: I never really cared about family Rickon in S8: I never really cared about running Stannis in S8: I never really cared about duty Renly in S8: I never really cared about homosexuality Margaery in S8: I never really cared about Loras Tommen in S8: I never really cared about jumping Lysa in S8: I never really cared about being loved Blackfish in S8: I never really cared about my home Shae in S8: I never really cared about being a whore
I never even paid attention to this, I don't now why people obsessed over them: they're "magic runes". What did you think they could mean? But still, it's embarrassing the WAY he said it: "I guess they mean...." "I don't know what they mean" etc. Dear god how he would admit he was GUESSING why his own writing happened.
@@thedragondemands5186 if you’re connecting those runes to existing cultures, you kinda have to know what exactly they meant in those cultures and what kind of meaning they will have in your story. This is probably one of the most glaring examples of just how much they didn’t care. Fucking incredible.
When I first saw the episode where Jaime left Brienne, I thought he hurt her intentionally so she wouldn't come after him, on his way to kill Cersei. What a letdown.
@@michelleuhlinlilja imagine if hed gone to cersei (like he actually did) and seemingly swept her away to rescue her only to push her off the serpent steps or something like "the things youve made me do for love...." IMAGINE THAT
They should have ended the show with Aria going to west of Westeros, discovering that they had all been living in a village cut off from the modern world, created by a group of people longing for the Middle Ages. Anything would have been better
More like Winterfell was playing Dragon Age Inquisition but all of the around 15+ characters to interact with in your castle all go "Greetings" and "Hello", fade to cutscene, have a very scripted battle, cutscene again, and that's your game. This isn't even good on paper for a RPG, no matter how many parallels you could make with the roster of characters, stakes, urgency, relationships. Even Varric (a character in the games) says "if you love a character, you give them pain, ruin their lives, make them suffer. Maybe even throw in a heroic death!"
The actors who played Ned and Jeoffrey must feel weirdly good about not having been around for a while prior to the disaster that was season 8. They got to be in the best parts of the show and didn't have to be there for the worst.
@@smugreptile6695 I dont think that's why he quit acting, no. And I don't think he got any hate as an actor due to this performance. I think he pretty much got universal praise for his work in the role.
@@joebarthram596 I never even watched the final episode, I don't even remember at what point during Season 8 I went "wow this is super not worth my time" but I never even made it to S8 finale episode.
@@joebarthram596 I forgave so much of it's bushit because of the ending I anticipated. The show had a lot of flaws that I overlooked for the coming payoff. It hurt a lot. I'd slap either of the Ds if I saw them in public
Actually, I think the one character that had a very nice ending was the Hound. Out of all of them, his is the only one who's final arc I totally enjoyed and agreed with.
@@thomaslynch5313 I'm pretty sure he meant satisfying to the audience, not satisfying to the character. Euron on the show was a complete and utter joke and his final brawl with Jamie was laughably bad and ridiculous.
It still breaks my heart for the actors and crew who worked their butts off that this show won't be remembered the way it could be all due to the horrible writing.
What pisses me off though is some of the actors bashing fans for criticising the ending THEY were played just as much! And fans aren't complaining that Dany became crazy and bad but that it was completely rushed and so many plots just being dropped. The deep magic of the world just being completely destroyed by some normal humans swinging a dagger or harpoon
@@phoebeel We all know that we, the fans were just mad because we wanted to see all the "pretty white people" ride off into the sunset and we didn't get that. At least according to Peter Dinklage.
@@fireandblood2919 indifference is what makes you not talk about something. When you hate something, when you loathe something the way most fans of GOT loathe this final season, you don't forget and you don't stop talking about it.
Top 5 man made disasters: 5: Burning of the Library of Alexandria 4: The Crusades 3: Hiroshima & Nagasaki 2: The Holocaust 1: Season 8 of " game of thrones"
@@Little_Lotta whatever floats your boat. I was disappointed in the rushed writing, but I got over it. Seems obsessive to keep bringing season 8 up after 3 years have gone by.
The biggest disappointment for me was us learning that Jon was a Targaryen had absolutely zero bearing on the rest of the story. That revelation was the most exciting to me the entire series, & for it not to matter really irked me. I'm still so bitter because since they ruined the entire last season, it ruined the show's rewatchability. The mishandling of the last season has caused so much collateral damage. Biggest TV tragedy in history.
Absolutely. It just epitomises everything else wrong with the show. Huge build-up and commitment only to lead to absolutely payoff.... D&D are just useless and its so obvious that season 1-4 was quality simply because of GRRM source material. As soon as the source material dried up, D&D had nothing of any value.
Jon met the criteria for an ideal King. He was the Legitimate heir to the throne. He was also honourable, decent, compassionate, benevolent, measured and even tempered. Bran's ''election'' was farcical, as was Jon's exile. Did they really want us to believe that the lords of Westeros would go along with the wishes of the Unsullied, who were nothing more than a foreign bunch of mercenaries now that Dany was dead, and just banish their rightful King, who was well liked in Westeros? Even though it's a fantasy series, GRRM has stated that he borrowed heavily from the history of the Middle Ages, therefore the whole pandering to modern sensibilities with the whole ''democratically elected King'' BS was really going too far. Having said all that; I was sort of disappointed that Jon did turn out to be the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, because it was far too tropey and predictable for my liking. What I liked was the fan theory that Rhaegar had survived the Trident and that another, wearing his elaborate armour, had died in his place. The theory also went that Rhaegar was Jaqen H'ghar, and that he had fled to Braavos and became a Faceless Man. I would have enjoyed an ending where that theory was true and Rhaegar ended up on the throne.
I had this too for a while. And i used to rewatch episodes constantly. But now I rewatch everything but the last season and just wait for the next book for the rest of the story. Ignoring most things if not everything that happened in season 8. Coz the earlier seasons are just too good to be left alone
exactly, and its so ironic that its not even funny. Cus the whole reason GRRM went with DD instead of all the other proposals is cus of a conversation they had where they speculated who Jon really was and GRRM knew then that he wanted to do the show with them cus he thought that they was really into it and understood the books on his own level. its just so sad, they really loved what they did but droped the ball on the last seasons for some reason.
SO many people LOVED this show that D*D could easily have been replaced with a new set of show runners. Something smells about how they hung on - kind of like political power and money. In this case corrupting years of entertainment. Just as with political power the "ruling elite" feel fine sacrificing the peasants for their murderous plots. In this case the "peasants" are the show viewers who are irrelevant to D&D's money and power.
Sansa literally looking all the leaders in the eyes and declaring herself queen of the North and it independence was so mind boggling. Not a single one of them said anything or tried to do the same for their lands. It came off so power hungry.
It was also hollow and pointless. They declared independence during a bloody war against the Lannisters. They just won a battle of life over death explicitly by uniting as many peoples as possible. And now the takeaway is independence for the north because... reasons.
Just a few seasons earlier,all of them proclaimed Jon as their King of the North. His true Identity is highly likely to be unknown to them. Why would they just abandon him and let his half-sister take the throne? Jon would still be rightful king, and a popular one also,at least in their perspective. This entire Thing ist just not understandable, even in the contrast of the Northerners being very proud and also not easy to rule. I can not imagind that no one if these lords protestet against the abandonment of their rigthful and loved King, which is being replaced by his sister.
@@heermannmorrer I hated how they had the stones to make Sansa dress down Jon over not asking her opinion on Ramsey, despite her having no experience in combat or warfare whatsoever. Then when Jon is overwhelmed, she calls LIttlefinger and the Vale to help save him, like it was some brilliant move. Yet she was the one that HID that option from him to begin with. He literally went with the best plan available, and then she acts smug because she got to "save" him with her secret alliance with Littlefinger.
13:50 On Jaime, his story is made even worse when you consider that GRRM literally says he cut off Jaime's hand to symbolize him being separated from his evil past. The hand that clutched Cercei's foot when he was born, the hand with which he pushed Bran out the window, used a sword to slay Aerys, so many more... They had that in the show and STILL fucked his ending. Like how???
All because he wanted to go fuck his sister xD. Literally ruins it with "I didn't really care much about the people" "So why did you bring that up when you spoke with tall woman in the bath" -^-
It hurts doesn't it. Though this is ONLY a story the books made every scene and every character live in my mind for years and years. Not only did "fans" get fucked over by the show by George himself is wallowing in his money and laughing at his fans.
It honestly baffles me how none ever talked about the obvious downgrade of Tormund since season 6. When the writing was good, he was just a bit goofy but in general, he was a scary brute. His dialogue was always consistent with his background "Plenty of little men tried to put their swords through my heart and there's plenty of little skeletons buried in the woods" "Easy thing to say to a man in chains" "He's one of them. You're not gonna die for one of them!" that eventually downgraded to "Me country boy me like tall city girl" Just like how the free folk's importance downgraded the moment they passed the walls. You suddenly have hundreds of thousands of savages entering a foreign country. They hate the locals, and the locals hate them. Some of them are even known to eat human flesh. So how on earth did that never impact the story? It is also known that the only person that could get more than 50 wildlings together is Mance. And instead of separating and starting to cause chaos, they are ready to just follow Jon Snow to a battle that has nothing to do with them? Why did none ever talk about this?
Oh yeah I love the charactar of Tormund in the books and in the show until season 4/5. He's so morally complicated when you think about it, which makes Jon's bond with him so interesting. Jon likes him, but Tormund has killed some of his black brothers etc. etc. So much interesting stuff to do with him. Instead they made Tormund a sitcom side character, whose whole purpose is to show up every once in a while for the same 'funny' gag.
Such a waste of potential. Dumbfounded that all those warring tribes who were promised land of their own, south of the Wall, now just all pack their things and wander into the freezing wasteland together with zero pushback.
In the same way, the Dothraki got completely nerfed in S7. Dany just unleashes the largest Khalassar in history onto mainland Westeros, yet we never once hear about any looting, pillaging or anything that the Dothraki always do. Remember that scene in series one where they completely annihilate a Lazareen village? That should be happening a hundred times over in S7 and S8, and yet the show expects me to believe that the super warlike Dothraki are supposed to be getting along with the super xenophobic Northerners all hunky dory. It’s a complete joke that ruins an interesting culture.
In the behind the scenes interviews the cast and crew makes on the episodes, David essentially says that it was going to he Jon killing the Night King but in the moment they changed their minds to Arya 🤦♂️
@@jonasdauerbrenner6432 Ye. I was just referring to the content as a whole ie. Arya being the one to kill him. Don't even get me started on the abomination that was the actual attack. Night King surrounded by his generals but Arya just appears out of the fukin shadows..
I think the biggest sin of season 8 was missing the entire point of the White Walkers. They were supposed to be the true enemy, an enemy that was allowed to become stronger because all the kingdoms where playing their stupid, petty politics, while the true enemy of humanity gained power almost unopposed. All their little squabbles over things that in the bigger scheme of things did not matter when compared to a bigger enemy that threatened humanity's very existence. The army of the dead should have been nearly impossible to defeat, it should have required ALL nations and armies to put away their stupid war games aside, at least for a little while, to fight an enemy that actually matters, a real treat, bigger than them, bigger than their squabbles and vanity driven little games. When they are at war with each other, they are at war for power, or for something they think they deserve, it was all about them. But the white walkers were beyond that, it was a battle for survival, for their right, not as nations, but as human beings, to be alive. But no, they turned them into a bloody mid-level boss fight. And gave more importance to yet another pointless struggle for power.
The White Walkers/Others are literally the embodiment of a global catastrophe. Global warming is my favourite allegory - Simply because they're on their way, but slow enough that few people notice, and those who do believe in them are written off as fear-mongering until the evidence is in their face. But regardless as to what you confine to the allegorical associations with the White Walkers, they exist as the existential threat. The thing that forces unification between Houses, uneasy alliances between enemies, joyous reunions between friends, all to aid humanity. It's meant to reflect what we, as humanity, have to do to be better - Put aside stupid squabbles of power to fight existential threats to our existence. And D&Ds thoughts on existential threats is that human squabbles are more important. Dumbasses.
Man I wish that assassin was able to kill bran. Would’ve stopped us from having watching the worst subplot. I’ve never been more tired watching bran, to the point I start laughing like a mad man when he predictably starts acting like a asshole to the few people who are helping his handicapped ass
The fact you skipped analysis of Varis shows how much forgettable he was in this season. One of the best and unique characters in first seasons and in books now isn't even consider a secondary character. What a shame.
Varys was my favorite character when all was said and done, and the way they ended his arc was fucking pathetic. You can even see Conleth Hill clearly not happy during the script-reading, and I don't blame him. Varys, fucking VARYS, the smartest dude in all of GOT outside of maybe Tywin, the man who tracked down a warlock he hadn't seen since childhood to exact revenge, who constantly stated he would never allow himself to be killed because he could do no good for the realm dead, gets killed by lazy writing.
Yes! Remember in season 1 where Varys was not taking sides with Ned Stark about Joffrey's parentage? Because Varys realized recognizing what was technically correct was a danger to himself. Now in season 8 he is busy personally writing letters telling everyone Jon Snow is the real king??
Another thing that always kinda irritated me, even though I myself have tried to self-justify it, are the wardrobes. It just seems so weird to go from everyone wearing all of these unique, colorful medievalesque dresses and gear, to everyone turning emo and wearing nothing but black. Even Cersei, who lives in the warm, bright south, is wearing something that looks like it was made from an armorer from Hot Topic.
She wore black because she was in mourning of all her kids dying. Of all the things to criticise about the show, that isn't one of them, that one actually made perfect sense, along with making her queen's guard all start wearing black armour.
@@Infrared01 well it is winter, after all. Winter in King's landing is pretty damn cold, it's not quite as cold as the North of course. But look at scenes like the one where Jaime kills the mad King. You only see a few frames of it, but people have paused it and posted the individual frames to the Internet like the song of ice and fire fandom wiki site, and the mad King is sitting on the iron throne in thick black furs. Because it was winter at the time, and so he was very cold. Plus the few scenes we did see of King's landing in the winter, if I remember right it was in the episode before the Long Night episode, King's landing looks freezing and grey, because winter has finally hit there. Granted it is a little silly because in season 1 we saw Ned arriving at King's landing and they had bloody palm trees everywhere, implying it's a tropical city and not merely a warm European city. But you never see the palm trees again after that so perhaps it was a mistake, we know D&D are very prone to mistakes. The original Long Night covered at least all of westeros. The entire continent was in pitch black night without any days or daylight for a generation, so 20-30 years. So the long night (almost) returning until deus ex mach-Arya ends it, with the magical white walker winter being further south than it's been in thousands of years, it makes sense that Kings landing would be bloody cold.
The great dialogue from earlier seasons that everyone praises came from Martin. Without it, D&D revealed themselves to be frauds. They are incompetent and bad writers.
They are good adapters and bad creators. They did a phenomenal job of bringing what GRRM wrote to the screen, and added some really cool things (see Arya and Tywin). But yeah, they overall did a pretty bad job once there was no source material.
@@dmidkif I’m not even sure how good of adaptors they really were. Their decision to cut out Fake Aegon, Lady Stoneheart, Tysha, and the complexities of the Northern and Dornish plots were ultimately detrimental to the quality of the show and was one of the main reasons they “ran out of source material.”
@@abandonallhope.1040 Eh, I honestly don’t know how some of those plot lines would have played out on screen. Certainly I agree on Dorne, I don’t know how well a dark and vengeful Michelle Fairley would have worked. I think the casting and writing of Euron was one of the biggest mistakes. He could have made a really compelling villain for the later seasons if he was portrayed as in ASOIAF.
@@dmidkif yea they really pulled out every ounce of complexity from Euron. In the books he wasn't just a psychopath, he had a goal and he had genuine charisma. There was genuine reason to believe why he even had such a huge following. He was the Tywin of Greyjoys, but with far more ambition.
With Littlefinger being killed off too soon, Cersei’s arc feeling aimless, the Night King’s lack of character, Dany’s abrupt turn, the underwhelming White Walker climax, this season lacked a compelling antagonist to carry it. No Joffreys, no Tywins, no Ramsays. Littlefinger & a corrupted Sansa would’ve been the perfect big bads
I think that we should look deeper into this to see how absolutely brilliant this season is. See, I've spent countless days thinking about this stuff and then I finally understood and this realization hit me so suddenly it kinda reminded me of Tyrion's trial battle because my mind got blown the fuck away, just like Oberyn's. So the thing is... the real enemy of this season is the script itself and it was foreshadowed AT LEAST since season 5. How the hell did we not realize it before? This is the most meta ending of all the series I've seen and this makes it a solid 10/10 on my list. The characters of the show (especially Tyrion, Jon and Varys) slowly realize they're a puppets to some higher powers steering their actions but there's nothing they can do to escape it, beside waiting for the inevitable end that they bring upon themselves by their own stupid actions with no power over them, at all. The sudden drop in quality of dialogue and iq of everyone involved is being noticed by the characters themselves and the ones who realize slowly descent into infinite apathy, numbness, and eventually insanity. We can see this transformation (or should I say, awakening?) in Jon Snow who at some point denies the reality surrounding him and just repeats "she's my queen", which also feeds into a theory that all characters in GoT are Hodors, they just wait for their turn to become one. What's more, they are aware of this and that's why some choose to die to avoid this suffering (like Varys did). Some break out of this vicious reality and choose to sacrifice their loved ones, like Jon did with Daenerys. You see if Jon never killed her then soon we would've seen his full transformation into Jon-Hodor where he would just say "sheen" instead of full "she's my queen". After some years that'd probably become his name like it happened with Hodor. The true nature of the S8 is just too brutal for people to handle. Even red wedding can't compare to this. Truly brilliant writing.
"Danys abrupt turn", while i obviously see the other arguments its not like Dany was an Angel. She burnt people alive, she fed them to her Dragons, she crucified them and slaughtered many more. She always had a reason for it but as mentioned in the video, characters arent black and white. We might not agree with her reason, which was revange but we can clearly see why she would be out for revange.
Everyone keeps saying that Dany's character arc gets butchered but what about Sansa? Girl has an up and down character arc since Season 5. She was supposed to be a true survivor and has learnt a lot of things but then, they made her the victim again by sending her to Boltons only later becomes badaas by making an alliance with Jon with The Night's Watch and The Wildlings. Only to be corrupted by Littlefinger again to kill her own sister and then owned him in the end. Also, speaking of Littlefinger, they turned him from the most cunning and devilish man in Westeros to be a creepy pedo who's simping to his childhood friend's daughter just because she looks like her. And in Season 7, he should've left Winterfell and going back to Vale because The Northerners have greatest alliance towards the Starks especially after get a lot of shit threatments from The Boltons and The Freys unlike the People in King's Landing who likes to backstab each other.
Bran not controlling any of the dragons (especially the Night King’s dragon to use it against him) is the biggest disappointment.. especially when there’s Dragons in this world and Bran can control animals…
Arya not meeting Daenerys was a tragedy. Dragons and everything, a living Targaryen. Not only that, a female dragonrider, just like Visenya and Rhaenys Targaryen. Straight out of the history books, stories she adored. And right on with the assassination of Jaime and Dany's character traits, stories.
D&D also give Arya a pointless trip to King's Landing to kill Cersei. Pointless because all it takes to convince Arya not to do it is a speech from The Hound about how, "you don't want to become a killer like me." And I'm thinking, "Dude. At this point, Arya has killed HUNDREDS of people. She probably has a higher body count than YOU." This was a build-up with no payoff.
When Arya went power level 9000 and stabbed one of the most iconic villains of all time is what really burns my ass, they build the night king for 10 years only to cut him with no explanation on who he was or what he was seeking.
Some may think it is a cliché, but the big bad winning the first big confrontation is a well established way to present such character. Instead they have killed the "big bad" (Night King) in the first real confrontation. The series felt like that there should be consequences for ignoring the Night King, instead it turns out that defeating him was "super easy barely any inconvenience"! If they are unable to properly finish the story, they should have at least continued the theme that "there are consequences, always". The simplest proper ending would have been the Night King winning, wiping out humanity completely. (This would rhyme with the Season 1 ending.) But killing all humans would finish his mission, so the Night King would die too. He was magically made with the explicit order to wipe out all humans after all, at least it seems so according to the show's world building.
That was when I mentally switched off from the show. All the fan theories, all the anticipation...for that! The worst thing was, I still thought they were going to have Bran warg into him or use his green sight. They even teased it, by having the night king look at him strangely, when he got to him. Bastards!
However... the Night King really isn’t that iconic, he had no personality and D&D never tried to give him anything other than a couple cool moments. I can’t see him on the same level as Joker, Darth Vader, Voldemort, Gollum, President Snow, Lex Luthor, Walter White, Callisto, Tywin Lannister, or Davy Jones.
Not to mention if you TOUCH a White Walker you are turned. It was said that the Children created White Walkers to drive away the First Men from destroying the forest and it's hinted their magic can undo them. Plus Dany's prophecy of "mountains blowing away like wind" can apply to volcanoes, and there was a dormant volcano in the North that's seen when the Children created the first White Walker.
A full 3 years later and it still hurts, such an utterly fantastic show completely demolished in 6 episodes. That is the sole impressive feat of season 8
@@vros14 it was, but I could at least try to make poor arguments in its defense. The final season was all the previous issues of 5-8 combined and on full display. Fast travel, stupid characters/dialog, plot armor, the abysmal writing...
@@uberboomer8670 The reason why you consider S8 worse than S7 is because S7 is just as bad as S8, but nothing happens in S7 so we don't even remember how bad it was.
@@drivernephi2212 S7 feels like an Avengers movie where the superheroes go to the North to experience adventures together and feels completely out of context when compared to the rest of the show. The only reason people don't give it worse reviews is the fact that literally nobody important dies and nothing happens most of the time. Only Littlefingers death is the negative peak of this season as a result of its terrible writing. It felt like they just wanted to get rid of him.
It is disturbing how much Benioff visibly struggles to maintain eye contact in the behind the scenes videos. As if even he is embarrassed about it, but with the mannerisms of a child in an adult’s body. Even now, I’m still shocked those videos were ever released - no oversight whatsoever. But then again that’s not shocking, it’s a microcosm for all of Season 8 - “no oversight whatsoever”. - it got so bad HBO itself yanked the one they made for the finale from airing, and quietly put it out months later with the blu ray - and it’s the worst of all.
@@ScaryTimeTravel no it didn´t, the next episode his and cersei´s body literally looks totally fine as if they just suffocated and the bricks themself lietrally didn´t do any serious dmg to them (sure they don´t wanna show like completely smashed bodiesbut it still gives a really unrealistic feeling about their death imo)
What still absolutely baffles me is that D&D didn't just...hand the project over to someone else. Season 7 and 8 are the results of two (bad) writers obviously not giving a shit anymore. They just wanted to pump the episodes out as fast and lazily as possible so they could do Star Wars or whatever. Martin himself said there had been potential for 10,11, 12 seasons, and clearly there was. There was so much more to flesh out and bring to a satisfying conclusion in terms of plot and character arcs. A new, motivated, fresh writer may have been able to salvage something from this disaster, but D&D were so arrogant they'd rather total the whole show into a complete wreck than hand off the steering wheel.
Oh god. I wish they just gave the show runner title over to someone else who gave a shit. The plot points make sense, if they were competently fleshed out over a few more seasons it would have made sense and been a lot more emotionally impactful.
the problem there would be that then they couldnt claim sole credit for the success of the show. some men would rather burn their house down to the ground than share it with someone else
It always bothered me how the show gives Sansa the title of being the smartest person when she's never shown anything close to that. Saving Jon from the Bolton's even though she purposely withheld that information from Jon despite him almost dying because of it. Killing LF even though she fell into his trap and had to talk to the wheelchair encyclopedia Bran about the script. None of these instances showcase a smart person yet somehow we're supposed to believe it because the show keeps saying it.
It also bothered me how they rewarded her and made her queen for doing nothing, same for Bran and Tyrion who were mostly useless or incompetent, while they sent off Jon across the wall and turned Dany mad.
She did use the Little finger example on the last season. Step 1: cause chaos. She spilled that Jon is rightful heir to the iron throne. Step 2: keep a low profile. When Kings Landing gets burned, you don’t really see Sansa or anybody talking about her. Step 3: take advantage of the chaos. After Jon Snow is imprisoned and Dany dies, Sansa puts herself in power by establishing the North as an independent country TLDR: Sansa isn’t as dumb as she looks in the last season
She literally was only able to live due to many people that saved her time and time again, none of her own doing. And once Theon and Brienne save her and bring her to Jon, she’s completely a jerk to him and is all of a sudden a political expert and seasoned battle strategist. Made no sense. And her nonstop betraying and undermining Jon just frustrated me. And what qualifies her to be queen of the north? What skills does she have? She instantly was instructing the leaders about crops and food supplies, adding leather for the armor, when previously the only skill she’s ever shown was being a seamstress,. “She’s the smartest person I know”? Seriously Arya? I’ll shut up now.
Hey credit where credit is due - she did know to line the armour with leather which is more than the northern armourers knew apparently. If that doesn't scream "smartest person I've ever met" then idk what would. She must have absorbed her skills off screen the same as Arya. Edit: for clarity, I'm being sarcastic
Basically no death in season 8 had any meaning or emotional impact. That's one of the first flaws I noticed besides the missing intelligence and development of almost any character. Season 8 felt like a really dumb version of several tantasy tropes stuffed into one movie.
You missed one illogical thing about Sandor stopping Arya from getting revenge though. They travelled from Winterfell together, sneaked past a besieging army, then sneaked into a collapsing Red Keep, and only then Sandor tells her "revenge is bad", effectively taking away her entire reason to be there? If he felt that way, why didn't he tell her during the weeks-long journey from Winterfell? Why wait until the last possible moment?
He told her to not go for revenge when he realised that the red keep was gonna collapse.. if he saw that it was safer he probably would've let her come through
the illogical thing is that the whole "revenge is bad" thing doesn't work on a girl who already is able to kill someone and then wear their face and then forget about it the next day
What drives me crazy about the Mad Queen arc is the way to do the destruction of kings landing was established BY D&D! The mad king hid cashes of wildfire everywhere she couldve easily been trying to take the red keep and accidentally set the cashes off and THAT is what pushes her into insanity because she failed inadvertently killed thousands. She commits suicide Jon reluctantly takes the throne boom.
No but not using wildfire in defeating the army of the dead was criminal. You're telling me Tyrion, the brains behind the Battle of Blackwater, did not think of it? Didn't even suggest the one thing actually effective against the dead.
The real tragedy is that Weiss and Benioff didn't just crap out a bad season, they have destroyed the franchise. GoT has completely disappeared from the public discourse; it went from everyone knowing about this highly complex and geeky story to no one's talking about it, no memes, no anything, everyone avoiding it like it's an awkward topic. And who will care about the prequel to a story that ended idiotically, and who will care about The Winds of Winter after watching the fast food version of the story?
@@alanpennie8013 Exactly. Game of Thrones has been reduced from a mass phenomenon and a show with 10 million viewers per episode to a niche interest; small channels with a couple of thousand views. Q. e. d.
This season is like going to a five star restaurant, hoping for a delicious and wonderful meal. But the head chiefs needed to hurry with the meals since they were given an offer to work at another restaurant just before you walked in. Instead of taking more time and patience to make the food for you and everyone else there, they ruin your entire evening by rushing the meal, resulting in horrible, disgusting food. Then you and many other people get food poisoning, get rushed to the hospital, and just wished that the chiefs would actually give a damn about their work. Meanwhile, the manager fires them and the other restaurant refuses their services. But now everyone will not go back to the five star restaurant because of what happened and how the head chiefs ruined the legacy of the restaurant.
The worst defense of Daenerys killing all the people of Kingslanding Iv seen several times is "well those are the same people who cheered when Ned died so it's fine" 🤦♂️😅
right… those same people threw a cowpie at joffrey. most of them are peasants uninterested/not influential in the game of thrones, they just go with what they’re told.
Arya killing the Night King felt like when a classmate takes credit for your whole work (Jon's). Jon convinced everyone on the "existence" of White Walkers, united Wildings with people from Westeros, had a "special" connection to the Night King and experienced his power at first hand ... All for Arya to take his place 🤡 I love Arya but it wasn't a right choice to make her do it
Fax. After the episode was done I juts stared at my TV screen for a solid five minutes, confused as all hell. Unable to comprehend that all the buildup had been for this bs.
Every thing is for the sake of “unpredictable ending”. The director has high ego to go for the unpredictable but didnt has skill to back it up. So everything is now random and trash.
Basically Dumb and Dumber killed GOT to work at the Mouse Company only for their project to never see the light of the day. Real life has perfect comedic timing sometimes.
It's like they're illiterate. Prophecies being misinterpreted is prophecy 101 - but there IS a payoff. Croesus is told by the oracle that if he invades Persia, a great kingdom will fall. He infers this means he will win, but it is his great kingdom that falls. Oedipus is sent away from Thebes as a baby when it is foretold he will kill his father. But he abandons his adopted home, as he is subsequently told the same thing. Fearing for his adopted father, he exiles himself and heads to Thebes, killing his real father on the way. Dramatic irony is as old, and tried and tested, as drama itself.
Probably the most entertaining ending for cersay was her dying alone, realizing she pushed and killed everyone who loved her and that the throne meant nothing compared to jamie or her sons
Yeah. If Qyburn lived she could have insisted that Jamie would come. He'll come. He always comes for me. Gradually the guards leave. Courtiers leave (I know they weren't there in the show but they should have been). Eventually Qyburn sneaks out too. And she's left alone gradually crumpling in on herself as she calls for Jamie as the flames (not fucking bricks) close in.
Or her get killed by Jaime .Jaime realizing there was no baby and cersei who lost 3 children going mad and setting wild fire cuz if she cant have it nobody will and she also hate civilians .then Jaime once again become the queenslayer for the good of the realm .that's the best ending
I really will just be minding my business, having an overall great day and suddenly I get an overwhelming feeling of dread and anxiety and a voice over of, “Dany just forgot…forgot…forgot.” Thanks a lot. I thought I escaped that today.
Arya's story and themes: Cares for her family more than anything Lusts for revenge Survived a cruel world on her own while gaining assassination skills Anyone can see this about her character, and everyone can connect the dots from here; Arya comes back a badass assassin INTO vengeance (and whatever happens during her seek for vengeance) INTO family. Vengeance and Family can easily intertwine, if someone she wants vengeance on helped her family or the vengeance would hurt her family or her hopes to reunite with them. Arya mentions what's west of Wsteros ONCE in a weak scene, has never explicitely wanted to go on adventures or to discover mysteries and keep saying how the Starks should stay together INTO her leaving as soon as the battle is over and abandoning everything. This is not the most upsetting thing about the show, but for me is the most random. Did they just want a cool final scene for Maisie Williams?
This season truly feels as if they hired mediocre fanfic writers with no planned ending in place. So many people are upset with what they did to Danny but I’d argue that Tryion’s character was the one who was truly merced. They turned him from one of the smartest players in the game to boo boo the clown.
@@MK-ophelia I honestly agree. They just couldn’t allow him to become the dislikable character he became in the books. If anything I thought it would be interesting to see that sort of mindset spread and corrupt the other characters but nope. Gotta keep Tyrion and Jon pure so the writers can justify what they do to Daenerys.
What happened here really is unbelievable. I don’t think we will ever see a failure at this level again considering the high points of the show and where it ended up. It’s two completely different shows.
Cogman's Blu-ray commentary for episode 8.2 was very insightful about the lack of dialogue - he SCRIPTED dialogue, but Benioff and Weiss kept cutting it out, to focus on silent shots showing off the actors' faces emoting. *This isn't an accident, it IS NOT "filler" to Benioff and Weiss - the silent actors faces ARE the point, to pander them for Emmy awards.* It's not that they couldn't think of another scene to fill out 2 minutes - they'd CUT OUT 2 minutes of dialogue, to focus on the silent faces. They think this is an improvement, and so does their lackey Cogman, when spends the whole commentary praising it..... *as you yourself point out, we didn't get a dialogue scene between Theon and Sansa. One was FULLY SCRIPTED, but D&D cut it out,* and Cogman spends the commentary PRAISING them for this decision; "there's so much in just the actors' faces with no speaking!" - they're celebrity-actor fanboys! I figured this out after season SIX!
This is actually the same way hereditary was shot. They shot scenes with dialogue but cut them off and left the transitions to maintain the sense of environment and make it appear realistic. But that's not the style of game of thrones which has been built up on amazing dialogue over the seasons.
One of the problem with repeating "Power resides where men believe it resides" is that it has so little meaning in the show compared to the books. Cersei can blow up the Vatican along with a popular king, and despite having no armies of her own (just a giant zombie), she's crowned Queen. The Sand Snakes (despite having no political power of their own) assassinate the king and Crown Prince of Dorne (which is also Kinslaying!), and are suddenly in charge. "The North Remembers" is a useless line when it's shown that the North doesn't seem to care much about tradition or the Starks very much at all, until it's time to be inconvenient to Daenerys. All of the smallfolk retreat to King's Landing to be civilian bodyshields for a queen that they should all hate. Tyrion and Sansa receive consistent praise for their brains and skills despite making repeated mistakes. Nothing matters. Power resides where D&D believe it resides" is more accurate.
"You go from mourning a friend, to massacring an entire city, to a comical load of bricks falling on the fan favourites, to CleganeBowl, to a dwarf playing musical chairs." "It's stylistically designed to be that way, but we can diminish the effects of it"
@@hydraulikz Fan service may have become a dirty word thanks to talentless entertainment journalists, but sometimes the emotion it creates can be a much more worthwhile use of screentime than generic battle footage. It wouldn't even need a full scene, even just narrowing down the Arya stealth scene to her trying to escape a Wight Hodor amidst the other Wights would be enough to increase the tension and add a personal stake. That's the sort of thing that good writers can do consistently, seeing fan service for what it is, another tool. As opposed to the two tools who shat out the filth we ended up getting.
Season 8's biggest annoying part was Everytime someone found out about Jon Snow's real identity, it happened off camera and would constantly bait us into it before taking it away.
Just like Sansa being smart and Dang being mad and Arya being a great fighter. They showed us like 1/10 of each of those “new attributes” and told us the rest before turning the characters into this “new version” of themselves. Literally the first rule of film is to show, don’t tell. If they didn’t know how to show they should’ve given the job to someone else. Anything else is just embarrassing and a waste of time.
@@shannonceleste5557 I do like that all the main female characters are moulded into the same sort of cold, calculating, "badass", murderous bitches. That's funny to me for many reasons
For me the fact that Jon had no existential understanding from his "resurrection" was really unbelievable. For me the fact that Jon had no existential experience learning who his parents were. For me the fact that his parentage played ZERO part in the storyline except that "killer Dany" begs him not to reveal his true self. For me the fact that big bad moral Jon rides off into the sunset without his balls because he "killed" Dany. He killed and even murdered plenty of people but THIS was somehow fodder for expulsion?
What makes it worse after the fact is Dumb and Dumber wanted to rush off to Star Wars. A thing that never ended up happening. So they destroyed GoT for no reason at all.
At the very least, Gendry should have been named King as he is Robert’s true heir and has lived the life of a peasant which would mean that he would rule with the people of Kings Landing in mind. He is a great warrior like his father and has a good heart. The story could have come full circle if they wrote a romance between Arya and Gendry. Since Arya is described in the show as looking and acting the most like Lyanna. It could have resembled true peace in for Westeros. Anything honestly would have been better than the horse shite with Bran.
But what about Arya's "I'm not a lady"? She has said times and times again that she's not happy with that life so her accepting to become queen wouldn't be coherent.. well the same as bran suddenly going for the crown after saying he's no Lord or human anymore
Right ? Why the fuck would they pick bran when gendey I'd right there ? He's literally the last and true bratheon who are still the royal family the throne should automatically go to him not some crippled boy
I understand why they picked Bran. He understood all of human history and how 'playing the game of thrones' led to the inevitable betrayal of kings and the destruction of kingdoms. A never ending cycle of corruption, revenge, suffering, and a sense of entitlement that always turned into a plot to take the throne. A world ruled by status, lineage, and titles where peace was always short lived because virtuous people were rare. This is why Ned Starks death was so powerful. The virtuous people needed to change the world for the better have no desire to play this dangerous 'game' which is why they would automatically be at a disadvantage. I understand that people were upset with Dany becoming evil but her entitlement was obvious from the start foreshadowing her inevitable demise. She was willing to do anything or kill anyone for the throne which is why she couldn't win. It would have only continued the cycle. This is exactly why Jon Snow knew he had to kill her. She had gone too far. Looking back at all of her choices it was the path she chose all along. Unfortunately, even though Jon Snow would have been a great ruler, the hero is very rarely rewarded for his selfless sacrifices. Killing Dany meant he had created many enemies and the only way to quench their desire for justice/revenge and to truly end the cycle was to accept exile. Bran, by this point, was the only option.
@@Stranzua daenerys wasn't entitled her family ruled westaros so she by all the laws was the rightful queen just like stannes was the rightful king there's nothing entitled about it nor did it foreshadow anything , her burning kingslanding was complete nonsense " she was willing to do anything or kill anyone for the throne which is why she couldn't win " really is that why she choose to stay in Maureen to keep the slaves free sacrificing her chance to take the throne? Is that why she chained up her Dragons when one of then killed a innocent? Is that why she said" I don't want to be queen of the ashes " is that why she choose to kelp Jon save westaros from the white walks vs taking the throne from circi once again sacrificing her chance for the greater good ? Ma's queen dany was bullshit and you a idiot to think it wasn't , " it would have only continued the cycle" no it wouldn't danys goal was to stop the cycle not continue it , Jon only killed her because tyrion told him to ,if you looked back at all her choices you'd realize her turn was complete nonsense but you clearly are incapable of that and eat up d&d's bullshit , that's also nonsense if Jon killing dany was nessasery why would he created enemies? He'd be seen as a hero and would immediately be king not sent to the wall , none of the bullshit you said explained why bran being king makes since be has no leadership skills , no political skills , he doesn't inspire loyalty , he can't have kids , and has no claim nobody in there right mind would pick a cripple as the king of the land by law the throne should have gone to ether gendry or Jon not fucking bran.
I started watching game of thrones when I was 15, around season 3 I started reading the books. And when the show went past the books I stopped watching the show because I didn't want (semi) spoilers. So I stopped watching after season 4. To this day I haven't watched the last 4 seasons. What a lucky call.
Ngl when bran said “wHy YoU tHiNk I rOlLeD hErE” I literally got up and went to the bathroom, for the first time in got I used the bathroom during the show
When I first heard that it'll be only 6 episodes, I was worried that events will be crammed and executed in a fast paced manner. But no, they managed to put so much filler and rush storylines at the same time.
I was worried upon hearing that too but I was such a fanboy I still had faith. Then the first 2 episodes were complete throwaways where absolutely nothing happened and I knew we were in trouble
At least we got coughing Varys, which is undoubtedly one of the very few highlights of this tragedy of a season. Also this very same scene confirmed a theory that Varys is a mermaid, which of course makes sense thinking in retrospect.
@@BH-98 Hehe yeah I know that since he's a man he'd be a merman but for some reason in my mind Varys being a male female mermaid makes it more funny. Also... we can't be sure if Varys is secretly a woman, he says his balls were cut off but maybe in reality he just has vagina.
The lack of Dorne plot points in season 7 & 8 is astonishing. One of the greatest nations in Westeros, know for being so resilient they endured centuries of Targaryen attacks, reduced to a side note where they dont even get a saying in who rules the continent.
Dorne was already destroyed by the stupid plot lol. Looking back now, if someone wanted to fix the ending, they'd have to redo seasons 7 & 8, and a solid chunk of s6 as well.
I hate Season 8 as much as most people do, but I went back to the first four seasons and enjoyed them. I honestly pity anyone whose hatred of Season 8 ruined the rest of the show for them.
Season 8 was absolutely a perfect season. Because after the season I completely did not care about GOT and was not bummed out that it was over. That is a feat in itself.
Olenna's description of Cersei near the end is absolutely great. Like that line was put in the show because they knew they would destroy her character like that.
One change they could have made was have Brienne die in the battle of Winterfell. It would have made Jamie's return to Cersei more logical, considering she was the one who believed he was redeemable (and without her, he'd be surrounded by people who didn't trust him) and it would mean a major character actually died defeating the Night King.
Actually that whole storyline wherein Cersei goes to a witch and learns about her death - big fat ZERO. It would have been perfect IF Jamie had killed his sister or if Cersei had killed Jamie. Alas...
One of the biggest things that pissses me off is apparently they never had "time" to show arya telling john about all the shit shes been through and why shes such a good fighter now. Don't you think John would like to know? I don't know what goes through these writers heads but the fact that youtube comments can come up with a better story is really really sad.
I KNOW RIGHT? Arya never told jon about her quest to become a faceless man. How she can literally change faces. Jon was always her biggest supporter so why wouldn't they have a heart to heart about that? He would have been so proud of her.
@@shannonceleste5557 Sometimes, is usefull this (explaining WTF happened) some others, no so usefull, because the series become stagnant about people telling the story of his life for hours an hours without any change (and also, was already told)... One good example of this, are "the earths children", from Auel.
The best moment in the show is when Drogon says "It's game of thronin' time" and starts gaming all the thrones. What a great writing, I literally cried on this scene, bravo D&D
Man, Jonn taking the throne because he has a responsibility to the people, makes so much sense and would have been so satisfying. Instead they made fucking bran king lol. Makes no sense whatsoever, nobody likes bran, and it just feels like a joke. Like a prank.
Jon being someone destined to be a wise and humble king even complete with a special sword and Bran being there as his magical advisor would be a perfect Arthurian situation. I wouldn't be surprised if the first thing Jon would do is get that long table in the small council meetings replaced by a round one...
The funniest thing that many don't mention is that aside from Tyrion's ridiculous suggestion that the future king should be chosen based on his story - which would honestly disqualify Bran - he suggests this as a prisoner. And the 'roundtable' conveniently approves this without any conflict by any parties. It just happens like that.
Plot elements from the books that would have helped explain Daenerys‘ descent into villainy more had they not cut them from the show: 1) Young Griff aka Aegon son of Rhaegar and Elia aka Jon’s half brother. Had they included him and their respective factions pushed Dany and Aegon to become husband and wife, it would have had a similar dilemma to Jon and Dany’s relationship but more appealing to her because Aegon actively wants to be with her and rule the 7 Kingdoms. But if he’s captured and executed by Cersei instead of Missendi, Dany has even more of a reason to snap and burn everything because instead of losing a best friend, she’s losing a family member and lover. 2) Tyrion’s original character arc after murdering Tywin. Instead of becoming a feeble and dumb advisor who is better at making d*ck jokes than advising Dany, he becomes a venomous, ruthless villain-in-the-making. He doesn’t care about Dany’s high ideals of “breaking the wheel” he just wants his family to suffer for all the cruelty they’ve inflicted on him over the years. So the show should have had him feeding her worst impulses to make her campaign more brutal but effective, all the while realizing the people of Westeros fear a Targarayen that acts this way. So Tyrion thinks ahead and starts cultivating other candidates like Jon and Bran that can be offered as preferable candidates instead all the while deliberately throwing potential problems like Varys under the bus
Tyrion's character after killing Tywin was a wasted opportunity in the show. Tyrion becoming more ruthless, more violent and basically creating a mad queen by feeding her violent tendencies and pushing her towards burning down those who oppose her would have been very intetesting. Instead D&D couldn't bring themselves to do something interesting with Tyrion and he just quips cock jokes and "ooh, I also loved her, Jon" what a lame direction for such a good character.
“But how could they make Tyrion still likable if they are loyal to source material?” Well, look at Better Call Saul. The protagonist, Jimmy McGill (aka Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad) has the same character trajectory. He’s a villain but is extremely likable and we root for him thanks to good writing.
Not just Jimmy, but Walter White. Fiction is full of beloved stories about noble characters that become monsters/ villains (MacBeth, Michael Corleone from Godfather, Harvey Dent/Two Face from Batman, Darth Vader from Star Wars, etc.). It’s stupid of D&D to think fans wouldn’t like Tyrion having a similar story arc
@@thedoctor4327 I use Jimmy as an example because his relationship with Chuck is the same with Tyrion’s relationship with Tywin. They are smart and tricky characters who love using unethical ways to get noble results. Got insulted a lot by his own family. In a season that Chuck/Tywin died, Jimmy/Tyrion did a huge fuck up that led to a court case. Jimmy indirectly killed Chuck while Tyrion directly killed Tywin. The difference is the aftermath. All Tyrion did was making dick jokes while constantly making stupid decisions (yet the show keep saying that he is smart as fuck, at least until he met Sansa again. Jimmy, on the other hand, became much darker and more evil. Actually, we all know how he ended up. He went full evil clown “Saul Goodman” whose first suggestion to Walt was to “murder” Badger and one of his last advice had something to do about murdering Jesse and Hank. And he faced the consequences of his action. Tyrion didn’t face shit.
D&D need to learn that screwing the writing so you can feel smug about ‘outsmarting’ your viewers is just dumb and egocentric. Viewers SHOULD be able to see the direction the story is going, and when they’re shocked, be able to look back and see the build up and the foreshadowing, thats how you know the consistency is there and the storytelling is sound. The whole subvert expectations thing was just shock value over good writing.
the character development through dialogue in the early seasons is so good i can just listen to it while working (from home) with only occasional glances at the screen and still easily follow and enjoy the story.
@@Challis1989 The Others, or well the White Walkers as they're called in the show, are nonetheless a gigantic threat in the books. They're basically the force that goes: ''Hey guys, stop killing each other like idiots, there's real problems afoot'' George likes to dangle about to make the tension of everyone continuing to kill each other all the more real. I'd argue they're the driving force of it all.
It should have been an all over realization that Bran planned everything. From Ned’s death to the Red Wedding to the destruction of Kings Landing. He wanted the throne and that’s what he did to get it. He’s not a hero but the villain. Even that would have been a better plot twist.
To keep your comment going: "...He's not a hero, he's a villain" and he's won the game, the villain won. After all, and i quote the show here "if you expected an happy ending, you haven't been paying attention" so bran being the big villain who won all would even be coherent with the story u.u
"You have been stripped of your dignity and authority, publicly shamed and confined to the Red Keep. What's left to work with?" Diana Rigg to Season 8 Cersei
This freakin hurts to watch man, I don't know why I keep torturing myself... A well done video like yours just further highlights just what COULD have been and amplifies the pain. I guess I should have taken Yoda's advice... "Only pain you will find"
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Tywin if he had been in season 8: I never cared much for house Lanister.
Ned Stark in S8 be like: I was never truly honourable...
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This comment sums it up perfectly lol
Wow lol
Bro this comment is the best
Didn't even hesitate to click on this. Years later I'm still watching these season 8 critiques to cope
It's the only way to soothe the eternal burning pain this season has left behind
Same. But there's nothing wrong with it, we're disappointed because we were so passionate about this story and to see everything that was built up just to be thrown in the trash 🗑 just for means to an end really hurts 😔.
When I'm feeling negative- critiques. When I'm feeling positive- alternate endings written by fans
Mauler’s videos got me through the difficult times
The sheer arrogance of D&D really gets me. When absolutely everyone wanted GoT to continue, when HBO wanted to give them another 2 seasons to wrap it up, they wrote up this rush job and expected absolutely everyone, from actor to critic, to applaud them for their ingenuity.
Bran: knows everything, does nothing
Jon: knows nothing, does everything
Lol
Except what his entire character arc was heading towards
Lol, my word, so true lmao!!!.
“You know nothing MrDangerWaltuhWhite”
D&D probably
Over 2 years later and I still hate this season with a burning passion
I hate wasted potential and this show had so much potential that it drives me insane to remember what they did with it
A burning passion of one thousand Dragons!!
After reading the books I hate martin for not finishing them.
Got S8 and the SW ST. What IP ruining messes.
I felt betrayed when my favorite character Stannis got executed by D&D in season 5.
I didn't foresee that they would screw up the whole show in the end, though.
Here’s something that no one has ever complained about: Jon, Bran, Arya and Sansa don’t mention Rickon ONCE. While he was an unimportant character to the audience, he was THEIR BABY BROTHER. His death should have as much impact as Ned’s, Robb’s and Catelyn’s deaths to them.
Yes!!!
Our lord and saviour Glumbos remembers!
They had already thought Theon had killed him years before, remember?
@@A_Black_Sheep94 But then Jon literally saw him die.
@@Vanillastump Yea but they're already been through that once. Doesn't have the same oomf
Season 2: 500 men can hold Winterfell against 10000.
Season 8: Let's defend Winterfell OUTSIDE of the castle walls.
Fact
To be fair, it wouldn't make a difference..the Night King's army would've gotten inside either way
@@rias.gremoryyy sure, but the fact that they didnt do any logical type of extra fortifications is silly. Even another short wall all the way around would have provided another way to slow them down and kill them slowly. Just terrible writing at the end
@@brettsnyder5858 I agree, a lot if flaws there..but another wall wouldn't change anything either..in that situation there were like 10 times more whites than alive soldiers, it would slowed them down but not for long, the night king would still reach bran.. reasonably thinking, everyone there would've been dead, except Daenerys maybe, she could fly away if she wanted
@@rias.gremoryyy well to be honest, they could have put a better defense with a double line of fire trenches, a presighted trebuchets, and a hasty wall not to stop them but to slow them down also they could make a better use of the Dothraki and yes, the objective was to lure the Night King towards Bran in order to kill it, massive casualities would be expected but that doesn't mean they needed to lose Half their army doing so, and let's remember, the more the white walkers kill, the more their army grows, is non sensical to put such a battle plan that is going to cause massive casulties in short time, rather to create an scenario in which they could slow down the wights whilst reducing their own casualties, also Dragons, i can't belive they have the equivalent to a stuka bomber and they decided not to use them from the begining, either for scouting or to support the Dothraki or infantry they had
Ned in season 8: I never cared much for honor.
Baelish in season 8: I never cared much for the game.
Jorah in season 8: I never cared much for Daenarys.
Viserys in season 8: I never cared much for the throne.
Hot Pie in season 8: I never cared much for hot pie.
Catelyn in season 8: I never cared much about my family.
The High Sparrow in season 8: I never cared much about the gods....
Ramsay in season 8: I never cared much for pork sausage.
The Iron bank of Bravos in season 8: I never much cared for money.
Overyn Martell in season 8: I never cared much for avenging my sister.
Robert in S8: I never really cared about Lyanna
Tywin in S8: I never really cared about family
Rickon in S8: I never really cared about running
Stannis in S8: I never really cared about duty
Renly in S8: I never really cared about homosexuality
Margaery in S8: I never really cared about Loras
Tommen in S8: I never really cared about jumping
Lysa in S8: I never really cared about being loved
Blackfish in S8: I never really cared about my home
Shae in S8: I never really cared about being a whore
"These mystical patterns that look important, we dont know what they mean"
But you're the writers 👁👄👁
I never even paid attention to this, I don't now why people obsessed over them: they're "magic runes". What did you think they could mean? But still, it's embarrassing the WAY he said it: "I guess they mean...." "I don't know what they mean" etc. Dear god how he would admit he was GUESSING why his own writing happened.
@@thedragondemands5186 IKR KEKW
LoL i think you people such look at series Blood Moon! Oh yeah it was cancelled.
@@thedragondemands5186 if you’re connecting those runes to existing cultures, you kinda have to know what exactly they meant in those cultures and what kind of meaning they will have in your story. This is probably one of the most glaring examples of just how much they didn’t care. Fucking incredible.
I fucking hate those emojis
When I first saw the episode where Jaime left Brienne, I thought he hurt her intentionally so she wouldn't come after him, on his way to kill Cersei. What a letdown.
My thoughts exactly. The way the line was delivered, you'd think Jaime can't forgive himself for what he did and decided to kill Cersei to atone.
@@artificialaceattorney6822 Totally. I was living in that notion all the way up to them dying under the effing bricks.
@@michelleuhlinlilja imagine if hed gone to cersei (like he actually did) and seemingly swept her away to rescue her only to push her off the serpent steps or something like "the things youve made me do for love...." IMAGINE THAT
@@marycanary86 That would have been an excellent end to his character arc.
He was just playing hard to get.
They should have had a WW2 era bomber drop a nuke on Kingslanding. That would have really subverted expectations.
Cuts to the pilot and it's George Takei, "Oh Myyyyyy"
@@JoeMatarese1 and Cookie Monster is the bombardier
Plot Twist they live on an Island and the world around them is actually the 1940s
The End
They should have ended the show with Aria going to west of Westeros, discovering that they had all been living in a village cut off from the modern world, created by a group of people longing for the Middle Ages. Anything would have been better
hear me out...aliens
Season 8 is like when your replaying a game you’ve played before so you skip all the cutscenes and dialogue just so you can do the gameplay.
Doing that with kingdom hearts 2 right now
Except the gameplay sucks too
Only to have a rude awakening of how terrible the gameplay was
More like Winterfell was playing Dragon Age Inquisition but all of the around 15+ characters to interact with in your castle all go "Greetings" and "Hello", fade to cutscene, have a very scripted battle, cutscene again, and that's your game. This isn't even good on paper for a RPG, no matter how many parallels you could make with the roster of characters, stakes, urgency, relationships. Even Varric (a character in the games) says "if you love a character, you give them pain, ruin their lives, make them suffer. Maybe even throw in a heroic death!"
By order of the Peaky fucking Blinders.
The actors who played Ned and Jeoffrey must feel weirdly good about not having been around for a while prior to the disaster that was season 8. They got to be in the best parts of the show and didn't have to be there for the worst.
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I think Sean Bean said he hasn't kept up with the show after his character died
Ned, Robb, Cat, Joffrey, Oberyn, Tywin. They are the lucky ones.
Didn't the actor of Jeoffrey quit acting entirely after the show because of the backlash against his character?
@@smugreptile6695 I dont think that's why he quit acting, no. And I don't think he got any hate as an actor due to this performance. I think he pretty much got universal praise for his work in the role.
Season 8 was bad in such a colossal way that I'm actually satisfied to see people complaining about it almost 3 years later.
I genuinely cannot rewatch GOT anymore... I won't put myself through season 8 again....
@@joebarthram596 I never even watched the final episode, I don't even remember at what point during Season 8 I went "wow this is super not worth my time" but I never even made it to S8 finale episode.
They killed a generational show, its deserved, just dissapeared out of pop culture
@@valkryie-5129 Long Night was the last episode I was willing to sit through start to finish.
@@joebarthram596 I forgave so much of it's bushit because of the ending I anticipated. The show had a lot of flaws that I overlooked for the coming payoff. It hurt a lot. I'd slap either of the Ds if I saw them in public
The most damning thing about the end of the show is that not a single character arc ends satisfactorily. Even the damn dire wolves.
What about Euron? He wanted to fuck the queen, then in season 8 he fucked the queen. That was a very satisfying arc.
Actually, I think the one character that had a very nice ending was the Hound. Out of all of them, his is the only one who's final arc I totally enjoyed and agreed with.
@@thomaslynch5313 I'm pretty sure he meant satisfying to the audience, not satisfying to the character. Euron on the show was a complete and utter joke and his final brawl with Jamie was laughably bad and ridiculous.
@@MLennholm That comment I made was sarcasm friend.
@@thomaslynch5313 OK, well thanks anyway for giving me an opportunity to rant about show Euron :D
It still breaks my heart for the actors and crew who worked their butts off that this show won't be remembered the way it could be all due to the horrible writing.
What pisses me off though is some of the actors bashing fans for criticising the ending
THEY were played just as much! And fans aren't complaining that Dany became crazy and bad but that it was completely rushed and so many plots just being dropped. The deep magic of the world just being completely destroyed by some normal humans swinging a dagger or harpoon
everything except the writing was good. it's really sad. Best season eveeeer
At least most of them were still really good actors. It’s mostly the writing
@@phoebeel We all know that we, the fans were just mad because we wanted to see all the "pretty white people" ride off into the sunset and we didn't get that. At least according to Peter Dinklage.
@@phoebeel probably it was a contractuary obligation clause
pretty sure bran became king because he came with a free chair and drogon destroyed the other one
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Plausible.
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Well this makes more sense than the whole season 8.
I love that people are still talking about how disappointed they are in the end of Thrones. It doesn’t deserve to be forgotten.
If I hated something this much, I sure as hell wouldn’t be talking about it three years later.
@@fireandblood2919 It’s not just about hating it. It’s about how something that was so dear to you was destroyed.
@@fireandblood2919 indifference is what makes you not talk about something. When you hate something, when you loathe something the way most fans of GOT loathe this final season, you don't forget and you don't stop talking about it.
Top 5 man made disasters:
5: Burning of the Library of Alexandria
4: The Crusades
3: Hiroshima & Nagasaki
2: The Holocaust
1: Season 8 of " game of thrones"
@@Little_Lotta whatever floats your boat. I was disappointed in the rushed writing, but I got over it. Seems obsessive to keep bringing season 8 up after 3 years have gone by.
The biggest disappointment for me was us learning that Jon was a Targaryen had absolutely zero bearing on the rest of the story. That revelation was the most exciting to me the entire series, & for it not to matter really irked me. I'm still so bitter because since they ruined the entire last season, it ruined the show's rewatchability. The mishandling of the last season has caused so much collateral damage. Biggest TV tragedy in history.
Absolutely. It just epitomises everything else wrong with the show. Huge build-up and commitment only to lead to absolutely payoff.... D&D are just useless and its so obvious that season 1-4 was quality simply because of GRRM source material. As soon as the source material dried up, D&D had nothing of any value.
That's why I only rewatch it until season 6
Jon met the criteria for an ideal King. He was the Legitimate heir to the throne. He was also honourable, decent, compassionate, benevolent, measured and even tempered. Bran's ''election'' was farcical, as was Jon's exile.
Did they really want us to believe that the lords of Westeros would go along with the wishes of the Unsullied, who were nothing more than a foreign bunch of mercenaries now that Dany was dead, and just banish their rightful King, who was well liked in Westeros? Even though it's a fantasy series, GRRM has stated that he borrowed heavily from the history of the Middle Ages, therefore the whole pandering to modern sensibilities with the whole ''democratically elected King'' BS was really going too far.
Having said all that; I was sort of disappointed that Jon did turn out to be the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, because it was far too tropey and predictable for my liking. What I liked was the fan theory that Rhaegar had survived the Trident and that another, wearing his elaborate armour, had died in his place. The theory also went that Rhaegar was Jaqen H'ghar, and that he had fled to Braavos and became a Faceless Man. I would have enjoyed an ending where that theory was true and Rhaegar ended up on the throne.
I had this too for a while. And i used to rewatch episodes constantly. But now I rewatch everything but the last season and just wait for the next book for the rest of the story. Ignoring most things if not everything that happened in season 8. Coz the earlier seasons are just too good to be left alone
exactly, and its so ironic that its not even funny. Cus the whole reason GRRM went with DD instead of all the other proposals is cus of a conversation they had where they speculated who Jon really was and GRRM knew then that he wanted to do the show with them cus he thought that they was really into it and understood the books on his own level. its just so sad, they really loved what they did but droped the ball on the last seasons for some reason.
“Don’t be sad because it ended, smile because it happend”
Whoever said this clearly never watched GoT S8.
Truer words have never been spoken
Don't be sad because it happened, smile because it ended
There mate, i corrected it for GoT 8
Just imagine for a second if they had decided to spin it out for a 9th!
@@tobiasmccallum9697 It would have been even worse.
@@tobiasmccallum9697 Actually had a nightmare about that the other night! 😳
The fact that HBO offered D and D more seasons and they declined. Makes this rushed abomination even worse.
At the very least, D & D could have made Seasons 7 and 8 a total of ten episodes for each season. That would have given 7 additional episodes.
SO many people LOVED this show that D*D could easily have been replaced with a new set of show runners. Something smells about how they hung on - kind of like political power and money. In this case corrupting years of entertainment. Just as with political power the "ruling elite" feel fine sacrificing the peasants for their murderous plots. In this case the "peasants" are the show viewers who are irrelevant to D&D's money and power.
They rushed cause wanted to do star wars but disney cut them off after horrible season for got and the backlash LMAO
@@johnnyboogalo4897 😆
D&D have never heard of the fairy tale called "The Goose That Laid The Golden Eggs".
Sansa literally looking all the leaders in the eyes and declaring herself queen of the North and it independence was so mind boggling. Not a single one of them said anything or tried to do the same for their lands. It came off so power hungry.
It was also hollow and pointless. They declared independence during a bloody war against the Lannisters. They just won a battle of life over death explicitly by uniting as many peoples as possible. And now the takeaway is independence for the north because... reasons.
Just a few seasons earlier,all of them proclaimed Jon as their King of the North. His true Identity is highly likely to be unknown to them. Why would they just abandon him and let his half-sister take the throne? Jon would still be rightful king, and a popular one also,at least in their perspective. This entire Thing ist just not understandable, even in the contrast of the Northerners being very proud and also not easy to rule. I can not imagind that no one if these lords protestet against the abandonment of their rigthful and loved King, which is being replaced by his sister.
@@heermannmorrer I hated how they had the stones to make Sansa dress down Jon over not asking her opinion on Ramsey, despite her having no experience in combat or warfare whatsoever. Then when Jon is overwhelmed, she calls LIttlefinger and the Vale to help save him, like it was some brilliant move. Yet she was the one that HID that option from him to begin with. He literally went with the best plan available, and then she acts smug because she got to "save" him with her secret alliance with Littlefinger.
Sansa’s character just became so unrecognizable after season 6
13:50 On Jaime, his story is made even worse when you consider that GRRM literally says he cut off Jaime's hand to symbolize him being separated from his evil past. The hand that clutched Cercei's foot when he was born, the hand with which he pushed Bran out the window, used a sword to slay Aerys, so many more... They had that in the show and STILL fucked his ending. Like how???
RIGHT
Technically, in the show at least, he pushed Bran out the window with his left hand. But yes I see your point :)
@@Devakiinable hand
All because he wanted to go fuck his sister xD.
Literally ruins it with "I didn't really care much about the people"
"So why did you bring that up when you spoke with tall woman in the bath" -^-
It hurts doesn't it. Though this is ONLY a story the books made every scene and every character live in my mind for years and years. Not only did "fans" get fucked over by the show by George himself is wallowing in his money and laughing at his fans.
It honestly baffles me how none ever talked about the obvious downgrade of Tormund since season 6. When the writing was good, he was just a bit goofy but in general, he was a scary brute. His dialogue was always consistent with his background "Plenty of little men tried to put their swords through my heart and there's plenty of little skeletons buried in the woods" "Easy thing to say to a man in chains" "He's one of them. You're not gonna die for one of them!" that eventually downgraded to "Me country boy me like tall city girl" Just like how the free folk's importance downgraded the moment they passed the walls. You suddenly have hundreds of thousands of savages entering a foreign country. They hate the locals, and the locals hate them. Some of them are even known to eat human flesh. So how on earth did that never impact the story? It is also known that the only person that could get more than 50 wildlings together is Mance. And instead of separating and starting to cause chaos, they are ready to just follow Jon Snow to a battle that has nothing to do with them? Why did none ever talk about this?
Tormund never made it to the show. They cut out way too much of the free folk for the show to save Tormund even if Martin stayed with the production.
Oh yeah I love the charactar of Tormund in the books and in the show until season 4/5. He's so morally complicated when you think about it, which makes Jon's bond with him so interesting. Jon likes him, but Tormund has killed some of his black brothers etc. etc. So much interesting stuff to do with him. Instead they made Tormund a sitcom side character, whose whole purpose is to show up every once in a while for the same 'funny' gag.
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Such a waste of potential. Dumbfounded that all those warring tribes who were promised land of their own, south of the Wall, now just all pack their things and wander into the freezing wasteland together with zero pushback.
In the same way, the Dothraki got completely nerfed in S7. Dany just unleashes the largest Khalassar in history onto mainland Westeros, yet we never once hear about any looting, pillaging or anything that the Dothraki always do. Remember that scene in series one where they completely annihilate a Lazareen village? That should be happening a hundred times over in S7 and S8, and yet the show expects me to believe that the super warlike Dothraki are supposed to be getting along with the super xenophobic Northerners all hunky dory. It’s a complete joke that ruins an interesting culture.
When Arya killed the Night King, I rolled my eyes so hard I went into a coma. I stopped there and didn't even bother with the rest of the season.
In the behind the scenes interviews the cast and crew makes on the episodes, David essentially says that it was going to he Jon killing the Night King but in the moment they changed their minds to Arya 🤦♂️
Yep. One of the most egregious and ridiculous examples of fan-service ever put to screen. 🤮
@@dribblesg2 especially the slow-mo dagger-catching. this was so IP-Man, i had to laugh and cry at the same time.
@@jonasdauerbrenner6432 Ye. I was just referring to the content as a whole ie. Arya being the one to kill him. Don't even get me started on the abomination that was the actual attack. Night King surrounded by his generals but Arya just appears out of the fukin shadows..
@@dribblesg2 Dont forget she jumps at him screaming too.. what assassin wouldnt right
I think the biggest sin of season 8 was missing the entire point of the White Walkers. They were supposed to be the true enemy, an enemy that was allowed to become stronger because all the kingdoms where playing their stupid, petty politics, while the true enemy of humanity gained power almost unopposed. All their little squabbles over things that in the bigger scheme of things did not matter when compared to a bigger enemy that threatened humanity's very existence.
The army of the dead should have been nearly impossible to defeat, it should have required ALL nations and armies to put away their stupid war games aside, at least for a little while, to fight an enemy that actually matters, a real treat, bigger than them, bigger than their squabbles and vanity driven little games. When they are at war with each other, they are at war for power, or for something they think they deserve, it was all about them. But the white walkers were beyond that, it was a battle for survival, for their right, not as nations, but as human beings, to be alive.
But no, they turned them into a bloody mid-level boss fight. And gave more importance to yet another pointless struggle for power.
The White Walkers/Others are literally the embodiment of a global catastrophe.
Global warming is my favourite allegory - Simply because they're on their way, but slow enough that few people notice, and those who do believe in them are written off as fear-mongering until the evidence is in their face.
But regardless as to what you confine to the allegorical associations with the White Walkers, they exist as the existential threat.
The thing that forces unification between Houses, uneasy alliances between enemies, joyous reunions between friends, all to aid humanity.
It's meant to reflect what we, as humanity, have to do to be better - Put aside stupid squabbles of power to fight existential threats to our existence.
And D&Ds thoughts on existential threats is that human squabbles are more important.
Dumbasses.
Sometimes the real enemies are the ones we made along the way
I still hold out hope that the real enemy is the Three Eyed Crow. That all events have been manipulated by him from the very earliest of time.
Man I wish that assassin was able to kill bran. Would’ve stopped us from having watching the worst subplot.
I’ve never been more tired watching bran, to the point I start laughing like a mad man when he predictably starts acting like a asshole to the few people who are helping his handicapped ass
And no sword fight with Jon Vs the Night King still pisses me off to this day.
The fact you skipped analysis of Varis shows how much forgettable he was in this season. One of the best and unique characters in first seasons and in books now isn't even consider a secondary character. What a shame.
Varys was my favorite character when all was said and done, and the way they ended his arc was fucking pathetic. You can even see Conleth Hill clearly not happy during the script-reading, and I don't blame him. Varys, fucking VARYS, the smartest dude in all of GOT outside of maybe Tywin, the man who tracked down a warlock he hadn't seen since childhood to exact revenge, who constantly stated he would never allow himself to be killed because he could do no good for the realm dead, gets killed by lazy writing.
Varys.
@@sophiawilson8696 Right sorry xD
Yes! Remember in season 1 where Varys was not taking sides with Ned Stark about Joffrey's parentage? Because Varys realized recognizing what was technically correct was a danger to himself. Now in season 8 he is busy personally writing letters telling everyone Jon Snow is the real king??
Littlefinger is my favorite character and I was so hoping they would have one last meeting.
Another thing that always kinda irritated me, even though I myself have tried to self-justify it, are the wardrobes. It just seems so weird to go from everyone wearing all of these unique, colorful medievalesque dresses and gear, to everyone turning emo and wearing nothing but black. Even Cersei, who lives in the warm, bright south, is wearing something that looks like it was made from an armorer from Hot Topic.
Ye Olde Hott Topick
She wore black because she was in mourning of all her kids dying. Of all the things to criticise about the show, that isn't one of them, that one actually made perfect sense, along with making her queen's guard all start wearing black armour.
@@duffman18 That doesn't explain why EVERYONE else started wearing black.
@@Infrared01 well it is winter, after all. Winter in King's landing is pretty damn cold, it's not quite as cold as the North of course. But look at scenes like the one where Jaime kills the mad King. You only see a few frames of it, but people have paused it and posted the individual frames to the Internet like the song of ice and fire fandom wiki site, and the mad King is sitting on the iron throne in thick black furs. Because it was winter at the time, and so he was very cold.
Plus the few scenes we did see of King's landing in the winter, if I remember right it was in the episode before the Long Night episode, King's landing looks freezing and grey, because winter has finally hit there.
Granted it is a little silly because in season 1 we saw Ned arriving at King's landing and they had bloody palm trees everywhere, implying it's a tropical city and not merely a warm European city. But you never see the palm trees again after that so perhaps it was a mistake, we know D&D are very prone to mistakes.
The original Long Night covered at least all of westeros. The entire continent was in pitch black night without any days or daylight for a generation, so 20-30 years. So the long night (almost) returning until deus ex mach-Arya ends it, with the magical white walker winter being further south than it's been in thousands of years, it makes sense that Kings landing would be bloody cold.
EXACTLY and they look too modern too
The great dialogue from earlier seasons that everyone praises came from Martin. Without it, D&D revealed themselves to be frauds. They are incompetent and bad writers.
They are good adapters and bad creators. They did a phenomenal job of bringing what GRRM wrote to the screen, and added some really cool things (see Arya and Tywin). But yeah, they overall did a pretty bad job once there was no source material.
@@dmidkif I’m not even sure how good of adaptors they really were. Their decision to cut out Fake Aegon, Lady Stoneheart, Tysha, and the complexities of the Northern and Dornish plots were ultimately detrimental to the quality of the show and was one of the main reasons they “ran out of source material.”
@@abandonallhope.1040 Eh, I honestly don’t know how some of those plot lines would have played out on screen. Certainly I agree on Dorne, I don’t know how well a dark and vengeful Michelle Fairley would have worked.
I think the casting and writing of Euron was one of the biggest mistakes. He could have made a really compelling villain for the later seasons if he was portrayed as in ASOIAF.
@@dmidkif yea they really pulled out every ounce of complexity from Euron. In the books he wasn't just a psychopath, he had a goal and he had genuine charisma. There was genuine reason to believe why he even had such a huge following. He was the Tywin of Greyjoys, but with far more ambition.
@@anti-mate407 they just wanted everyone to talk about the finger in the bum
With Littlefinger being killed off too soon, Cersei’s arc feeling aimless, the Night King’s lack of character, Dany’s abrupt turn, the underwhelming White Walker climax, this season lacked a compelling antagonist to carry it. No Joffreys, no Tywins, no Ramsays. Littlefinger & a corrupted Sansa would’ve been the perfect big bads
I think that we should look deeper into this to see how absolutely brilliant this season is.
See, I've spent countless days thinking about this stuff and then I finally understood and this realization hit me so suddenly it kinda reminded me of Tyrion's trial battle because my mind got blown the fuck away, just like Oberyn's. So the thing is... the real enemy of this season is the script itself and it was foreshadowed AT LEAST since season 5.
How the hell did we not realize it before? This is the most meta ending of all the series I've seen and this makes it a solid 10/10 on my list. The characters of the show (especially Tyrion, Jon and Varys) slowly realize they're a puppets to some higher powers steering their actions but there's nothing they can do to escape it, beside waiting for the inevitable end that they bring upon themselves by their own stupid actions with no power over them, at all.
The sudden drop in quality of dialogue and iq of everyone involved is being noticed by the characters themselves and the ones who realize slowly descent into infinite apathy, numbness, and eventually insanity.
We can see this transformation (or should I say, awakening?) in Jon Snow who at some point denies the reality surrounding him and just repeats "she's my queen", which also feeds into a theory that all characters in GoT are Hodors, they just wait for their turn to become one.
What's more, they are aware of this and that's why some choose to die to avoid this suffering (like Varys did).
Some break out of this vicious reality and choose to sacrifice their loved ones, like Jon did with Daenerys. You see if Jon never killed her then soon we would've seen his full transformation into Jon-Hodor where he would just say "sheen" instead of full "she's my queen". After some years that'd probably become his name like it happened with Hodor.
The true nature of the S8 is just too brutal for people to handle. Even red wedding can't compare to this.
Truly brilliant writing.
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"Danys abrupt turn", while i obviously see the other arguments its not like Dany was an Angel. She burnt people alive, she fed them to her Dragons, she crucified them and slaughtered many more. She always had a reason for it but as mentioned in the video, characters arent black and white. We might not agree with her reason, which was revange but we can clearly see why she would be out for revange.
Everyone keeps saying that Dany's character arc gets butchered but what about Sansa? Girl has an up and down character arc since Season 5. She was supposed to be a true survivor and has learnt a lot of things but then, they made her the victim again by sending her to Boltons only later becomes badaas by making an alliance with Jon with The Night's Watch and The Wildlings. Only to be corrupted by Littlefinger again to kill her own sister and then owned him in the end.
Also, speaking of Littlefinger, they turned him from the most cunning and devilish man in Westeros to be a creepy pedo who's simping to his childhood friend's daughter just because she looks like her. And in Season 7, he should've left Winterfell and going back to Vale because The Northerners have greatest alliance towards the Starks especially after get a lot of shit threatments from The Boltons and The Freys unlike the People in King's Landing who likes to backstab each other.
Bran not controlling any of the dragons (especially the Night King’s dragon to use it against him) is the biggest disappointment.. especially when there’s Dragons in this world and Bran can control animals…
Arya not meeting Daenerys was a tragedy. Dragons and everything, a living Targaryen. Not only that, a female dragonrider, just like Visenya and Rhaenys Targaryen. Straight out of the history books, stories she adored.
And right on with the assassination of Jaime and Dany's character traits, stories.
I agree
D&D also give Arya a pointless trip to King's Landing to kill Cersei. Pointless because all it takes to convince Arya not to do it is a speech from The Hound about how, "you don't want to become a killer like me." And I'm thinking, "Dude. At this point, Arya has killed HUNDREDS of people. She probably has a higher body count than YOU." This was a build-up with no payoff.
@@KneelB4Bacon couldn't have put it better myself.
Especially since they invented a bunch of scenes between her and tywin where she showed off how interested she was.
Arya could of been the one to kill Daenerys with one of her masks.. Gotten away with it, and have Jon be king.
When Arya went power level 9000 and stabbed one of the most iconic villains of all time is what really burns my ass, they build the night king for 10 years only to cut him with no explanation on who he was or what he was seeking.
The Star Wars treatment lmao
Some may think it is a cliché, but the big bad winning the first big confrontation is a well established way to present such character.
Instead they have killed the "big bad" (Night King) in the first real confrontation.
The series felt like that there should be consequences for ignoring the Night King, instead it turns out that defeating him was "super easy barely any inconvenience"!
If they are unable to properly finish the story, they should have at least continued the theme that "there are consequences, always".
The simplest proper ending would have been the Night King winning, wiping out humanity completely. (This would rhyme with the Season 1 ending.)
But killing all humans would finish his mission, so the Night King would die too. He was magically made with the explicit order to wipe out all humans after all, at least it seems so according to the show's world building.
That was when I mentally switched off from the show. All the fan theories, all the anticipation...for that! The worst thing was, I still thought they were going to have Bran warg into him or use his green sight. They even teased it, by having the night king look at him strangely, when he got to him. Bastards!
However... the Night King really isn’t that iconic, he had no personality and D&D never tried to give him anything other than a couple cool moments. I can’t see him on the same level as Joker, Darth Vader, Voldemort, Gollum, President Snow, Lex Luthor, Walter White, Callisto, Tywin Lannister, or Davy Jones.
Not to mention if you TOUCH a White Walker you are turned. It was said that the Children created White Walkers to drive away the First Men from destroying the forest and it's hinted their magic can undo them. Plus Dany's prophecy of "mountains blowing away like wind" can apply to volcanoes, and there was a dormant volcano in the North that's seen when the Children created the first White Walker.
A full 3 years later and it still hurts, such an utterly fantastic show completely demolished in 6 episodes. That is the sole impressive feat of season 8
It started dying long before s8. S5 was already trash compared to the first 4
@@vros14 it was, but I could at least try to make poor arguments in its defense. The final season was all the previous issues of 5-8 combined and on full display. Fast travel, stupid characters/dialog, plot armor, the abysmal writing...
@@uberboomer8670 The reason why you consider S8 worse than S7 is because S7 is just as bad as S8, but nothing happens in S7 so we don't even remember how bad it was.
@@drivernephi2212 S7 feels like an Avengers movie where the superheroes go to the North to experience adventures together and feels completely out of context when compared to the rest of the show.
The only reason people don't give it worse reviews is the fact that literally nobody important dies and nothing happens most of the time.
Only Littlefingers death is the negative peak of this season as a result of its terrible writing. It felt like they just wanted to get rid of him.
@@JackoBanon1 that and "they wanted a zombie polar bear damn it!"
It is disturbing how much Benioff visibly struggles to maintain eye contact in the behind the scenes videos. As if even he is embarrassed about it, but with the mannerisms of a child in an adult’s body. Even now, I’m still shocked those videos were ever released - no oversight whatsoever. But then again that’s not shocking, it’s a microcosm for all of Season 8 - “no oversight whatsoever”. - it got so bad HBO itself yanked the one they made for the finale from airing, and quietly put it out months later with the blu ray - and it’s the worst of all.
i feel like you look into things too much
@@jaimelannister1797 your brain got smashed by rocks along with your entire character development
@@ScaryTimeTravel no it didn´t, the next episode his and cersei´s body literally looks totally fine as if they just suffocated and the bricks themself lietrally didn´t do any serious dmg to them (sure they don´t wanna show like completely smashed bodiesbut it still gives a really unrealistic feeling about their death imo)
@@mariusm.xenomorphwarrior757 3 minutes of zero oxygen causes brain damage
It gets worse than “Daenerys kinda forgot”?
What still absolutely baffles me is that D&D didn't just...hand the project over to someone else. Season 7 and 8 are the results of two (bad) writers obviously not giving a shit anymore. They just wanted to pump the episodes out as fast and lazily as possible so they could do Star Wars or whatever. Martin himself said there had been potential for 10,11, 12 seasons, and clearly there was. There was so much more to flesh out and bring to a satisfying conclusion in terms of plot and character arcs. A new, motivated, fresh writer may have been able to salvage something from this disaster, but D&D were so arrogant they'd rather total the whole show into a complete wreck than hand off the steering wheel.
So right! You should have more thumbs up!
Their egos were a problem I thinj
Oh god. I wish they just gave the show runner title over to someone else who gave a shit.
The plot points make sense, if they were competently fleshed out over a few more seasons it would have made sense and been a lot more emotionally impactful.
@@JT-ne8du how many seasons!
the problem there would be that then they couldnt claim sole credit for the success of the show. some men would rather burn their house down to the ground than share it with someone else
Would love to see a compilation of times Tyrion was seen reading a book after his line, "a mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone."
He read books when planning the defense of kings landing at the battle of Black water, but you Are right.
It always bothered me how the show gives Sansa the title of being the smartest person when she's never shown anything close to that. Saving Jon from the Bolton's even though she purposely withheld that information from Jon despite him almost dying because of it. Killing LF even though she fell into his trap and had to talk to the wheelchair encyclopedia Bran about the script. None of these instances showcase a smart person yet somehow we're supposed to believe it because the show keeps saying it.
It also bothered me how they rewarded her and made her queen for doing nothing, same for Bran and Tyrion who were mostly useless or incompetent, while they sent off Jon across the wall and turned Dany mad.
She did use the Little finger example on the last season. Step 1: cause chaos. She spilled that Jon is rightful heir to the iron throne. Step 2: keep a low profile. When Kings Landing gets burned, you don’t really see Sansa or anybody talking about her. Step 3: take advantage of the chaos. After Jon Snow is imprisoned and Dany dies, Sansa puts herself in power by establishing the North as an independent country
TLDR: Sansa isn’t as dumb as she looks in the last season
She literally was only able to live due to many people that saved her time and time again, none of her own doing. And once Theon and Brienne save her and bring her to Jon, she’s completely a jerk to him and is all of a sudden a political expert and seasoned battle strategist. Made no sense. And her nonstop betraying and undermining Jon just frustrated me. And what qualifies her to be queen of the north? What skills does she have? She instantly was instructing the leaders about crops and food supplies, adding leather for the armor, when previously the only skill she’s ever shown was being a seamstress,. “She’s the smartest person I know”? Seriously Arya? I’ll shut up now.
Wheelchair encyclopedia..😆😆😆
Hey credit where credit is due - she did know to line the armour with leather which is more than the northern armourers knew apparently. If that doesn't scream "smartest person I've ever met" then idk what would. She must have absorbed her skills off screen the same as Arya.
Edit: for clarity, I'm being sarcastic
I always forget Missandei died. It sort of just happened and got forgotten about... She was Daenerys' best friend 🤦🏽♂️
While Kevin Accetta kinda forgot about Missandei’s death
Lol you are so funny 🤣
Missandei was the most forgettable character in the show I think. They only use her to make Torgo Nudho more human but they love story was boring
Basically no death in season 8 had any meaning or emotional impact. That's one of the first flaws I noticed besides the missing intelligence and development of almost any character. Season 8 felt like a really dumb version of several tantasy tropes stuffed into one movie.
@@emiliebrooklyn3963 sad bc shes cooler in books, even has two brothers
Bran snaps out of a dream “It was all a vision of what the future could hold.”
Start of season 9
Biggest flaw and fault they made in this season?
Archers season 1 - 7: Loose!
Archers season 8: Fire!
I just rewatched seasons 1-4 and you can find there a few "fire", sadly. It's not consitent throughout entire show.
You missed one illogical thing about Sandor stopping Arya from getting revenge though. They travelled from Winterfell together, sneaked past a besieging army, then sneaked into a collapsing Red Keep, and only then Sandor tells her "revenge is bad", effectively taking away her entire reason to be there? If he felt that way, why didn't he tell her during the weeks-long journey from Winterfell? Why wait until the last possible moment?
"Weeks long journey"? Did you forget that they unlocked fast travel in the later seasons??
@@kurinseputheaverage9906 Fair point.
He told her to not go for revenge when he realised that the red keep was gonna collapse.. if he saw that it was safer he probably would've let her come through
HE told he to go, because it was finna go DOWN there, and if she was going to survive that she'd come out badly scarred and not worth living
the illogical thing is that the whole "revenge is bad" thing doesn't work on a girl who already is able to kill someone and then wear their face and then forget about it the next day
What drives me crazy about the Mad Queen arc is the way to do the destruction of kings landing was established BY D&D! The mad king hid cashes of wildfire everywhere she couldve easily been trying to take the red keep and accidentally set the cashes off and THAT is what pushes her into insanity because she failed inadvertently killed thousands. She commits suicide Jon reluctantly takes the throne boom.
Cache not cash
No but not using wildfire in defeating the army of the dead was criminal. You're telling me Tyrion, the brains behind the Battle of Blackwater, did not think of it? Didn't even suggest the one thing actually effective against the dead.
The real tragedy is that Weiss and Benioff didn't just crap out a bad season, they have destroyed the franchise.
GoT has completely disappeared from the public discourse; it went from everyone knowing about this highly complex and geeky story to no one's talking about it, no memes, no anything, everyone avoiding it like it's an awkward topic.
And who will care about the prequel to a story that ended idiotically, and who will care about The Winds of Winter after watching the fast food version of the story?
I was about to say that I care for Winds of Winter. Then I realised A Dream of Spring will never exist. I guess Game of Thrones is dead 😞
This is not entirely true.
Check out Bret Deveraux' videos on The Dothraki for instance.
They're pretty good.
@@alanpennie8013 Exactly. Game of Thrones has been reduced from a mass phenomenon and a show with 10 million viewers per episode to a niche interest; small channels with a couple of thousand views. Q. e. d.
Thank fuck. Normies are no longer shaming me for not watching it. Instead, I am having the last laugh.
@My pronouns are Goddess / Your majesty Money, that's what.
This season is like going to a five star restaurant, hoping for a delicious and wonderful meal. But the head chiefs needed to hurry with the meals since they were given an offer to work at another restaurant just before you walked in. Instead of taking more time and patience to make the food for you and everyone else there, they ruin your entire evening by rushing the meal, resulting in horrible, disgusting food. Then you and many other people get food poisoning, get rushed to the hospital, and just wished that the chiefs would actually give a damn about their work. Meanwhile, the manager fires them and the other restaurant refuses their services. But now everyone will not go back to the five star restaurant because of what happened and how the head chiefs ruined the legacy of the restaurant.
This was weirdly specific 🤣
@@tatters6623 I know. I couldn’t help it. :D
You forgot to mention how the head chiefs told us that actually using poison as an ingredient is subverting our expectations and a good thing.
The worst defense of Daenerys killing all the people of Kingslanding Iv seen several times is "well those are the same people who cheered when Ned died so it's fine" 🤦♂️😅
They also cheered Cersei’s walk of shame so why are they using it
right… those same people threw a cowpie at joffrey. most of them are peasants uninterested/not influential in the game of thrones, they just go with what they’re told.
They are basically NPCs
Arya killing the Night King felt like when a classmate takes credit for your whole work (Jon's). Jon convinced everyone on the "existence" of White Walkers, united Wildings with people from Westeros, had a "special" connection to the Night King and experienced his power at first hand ...
All for Arya to take his place 🤡
I love Arya but it wasn't a right choice to make her do it
Fax. After the episode was done I juts stared at my TV screen for a solid five minutes, confused as all hell. Unable to comprehend that all the buildup had been for this bs.
Arya should have killed cersei
Every thing is for the sake of “unpredictable ending”.
The director has high ego to go for the unpredictable but didnt has skill to back it up. So everything is now random and trash.
You love Arya? How did that whole faceless man stuff not drive you insane?
Calls Season 8 Trash
Trash:- Don't insult me like that.
Basically Dumb and Dumber killed GOT to work at the Mouse Company only for their project to never see the light of the day.
Real life has perfect comedic timing sometimes.
Season 8 is unforgivably terrible, and as time has gone on, my hatred for it has only grown.
Get therapy.
@@ianvera4299 Get a brain.
@@jpa5038 Get a job.
@@ianvera4299 Catch a fucking stray.
@@ianvera4299 LOL, bit of a laugh you're telling someone to get therapy considering you have a habit of spamming the same comment a dozen times.
I still can’t get over how they had so many prophecy’s in this show and NONE paid off
Yeah, ikr? The point of prophecy is it always comes true, just not in the way you thought it would. That would've been subverting expectations.
@@stars-and-cloudsy
It's like they're illiterate. Prophecies being misinterpreted is prophecy 101 - but there IS a payoff.
Croesus is told by the oracle that if he invades Persia, a great kingdom will fall. He infers this means he will win, but it is his great kingdom that falls. Oedipus is sent away from Thebes as a baby when it is foretold he will kill his father. But he abandons his adopted home, as he is subsequently told the same thing. Fearing for his adopted father, he exiles himself and heads to Thebes, killing his real father on the way. Dramatic irony is as old, and tried and tested, as drama itself.
With Sansa, it's a case of if you say someone is smart enough times, they think people will just believe it.
Probably the most entertaining ending for cersay was her dying alone, realizing she pushed and killed everyone who loved her and that the throne meant nothing compared to jamie or her sons
!!!!!
Yeah. If Qyburn lived she could have insisted that Jamie would come. He'll come. He always comes for me. Gradually the guards leave. Courtiers leave (I know they weren't there in the show but they should have been). Eventually Qyburn sneaks out too. And she's left alone gradually crumpling in on herself as she calls for Jamie as the flames (not fucking bricks) close in.
@@IshtarNike seeing Jaime burning a letter from Cercei was all i wanted...
@@IshtarNike
Damn that's deep.
Or her get killed by Jaime .Jaime realizing there was no baby and cersei who lost 3 children going mad and setting wild fire cuz if she cant have it nobody will and she also hate civilians .then Jaime once again become the queenslayer for the good of the realm .that's the best ending
I really will just be minding my business, having an overall great day and suddenly I get an overwhelming feeling of dread and anxiety and a voice over of, “Dany just forgot…forgot…forgot.”
Thanks a lot. I thought I escaped that today.
She might’ve forgotten..but you never will
We're all just a bunch of elephants, because WE will never forget
@@anaionescu8913 Careful there, Cersei might come after us with that kind of talk
Arya's story and themes:
Cares for her family more than anything
Lusts for revenge
Survived a cruel world on her own while gaining assassination skills
Anyone can see this about her character, and everyone can connect the dots from here; Arya comes back a badass assassin INTO vengeance (and whatever happens during her seek for vengeance) INTO family. Vengeance and Family can easily intertwine, if someone she wants vengeance on helped her family or the vengeance would hurt her family or her hopes to reunite with them.
Arya mentions what's west of Wsteros ONCE in a weak scene, has never explicitely wanted to go on adventures or to discover mysteries and keep saying how the Starks should stay together INTO her leaving as soon as the battle is over and abandoning everything.
This is not the most upsetting thing about the show, but for me is the most random.
Did they just want a cool final scene for Maisie Williams?
Another problem is do you really need to be a faceless assassin to kill ONLY Walder Frey family?
What did she do with her faceless stuff in season 8 ?
@@abhaynath5833She assassins creeded the white walker that's faceless enough for Mr
This season truly feels as if they hired mediocre fanfic writers with no planned ending in place. So many people are upset with what they did to Danny but I’d argue that Tryion’s character was the one who was truly merced. They turned him from one of the smartest players in the game to boo boo the clown.
Tyrion has been pointless since season 5. They wanted to show him being a good guy, ignoring everything that made him interesting in the books...
@@MK-ophelia I honestly agree. They just couldn’t allow him to become the dislikable character he became in the books. If anything I thought it would be interesting to see that sort of mindset spread and corrupt the other characters but nope. Gotta keep Tyrion and Jon pure so the writers can justify what they do to Daenerys.
@@misslittledove Exactly!
Hard to write a smart character when you and your partner are idiots.
@@tatters6623 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Supercuts Delight: don’t worry bro, I am over my ex
Also Supercuts Delight:
yup
His entire channel was built on D&D mockery.
The ex can always holla and get the good good though.
What happened here really is unbelievable. I don’t think we will ever see a failure at this level again considering the high points of the show and where it ended up. It’s two completely different shows.
Cogman's Blu-ray commentary for episode 8.2 was very insightful about the lack of dialogue - he SCRIPTED dialogue, but Benioff and Weiss kept cutting it out, to focus on silent shots showing off the actors' faces emoting. *This isn't an accident, it IS NOT "filler" to Benioff and Weiss - the silent actors faces ARE the point, to pander them for Emmy awards.* It's not that they couldn't think of another scene to fill out 2 minutes - they'd CUT OUT 2 minutes of dialogue, to focus on the silent faces. They think this is an improvement, and so does their lackey Cogman, when spends the whole commentary praising it..... *as you yourself point out, we didn't get a dialogue scene between Theon and Sansa. One was FULLY SCRIPTED, but D&D cut it out,* and Cogman spends the commentary PRAISING them for this decision; "there's so much in just the actors' faces with no speaking!" - they're celebrity-actor fanboys! I figured this out after season SIX!
Now I'm interested to see what the original drafts to some of the scripts looked like.
@@BH-98 they're in the WGA archives th-cam.com/video/Xf_8TKJIlMc/w-d-xo.html
This is actually the same way hereditary was shot. They shot scenes with dialogue but cut them off and left the transitions to maintain the sense of environment and make it appear realistic.
But that's not the style of game of thrones which has been built up on amazing dialogue over the seasons.
The Dragon still fighting the good fight.
@@mostpassiveuser8904 No, he describes like 10 minutes of dialogue being cut
One of the problem with repeating "Power resides where men believe it resides" is that it has so little meaning in the show compared to the books. Cersei can blow up the Vatican along with a popular king, and despite having no armies of her own (just a giant zombie), she's crowned Queen. The Sand Snakes (despite having no political power of their own) assassinate the king and Crown Prince of Dorne (which is also Kinslaying!), and are suddenly in charge. "The North Remembers" is a useless line when it's shown that the North doesn't seem to care much about tradition or the Starks very much at all, until it's time to be inconvenient to Daenerys. All of the smallfolk retreat to King's Landing to be civilian bodyshields for a queen that they should all hate. Tyrion and Sansa receive consistent praise for their brains and skills despite making repeated mistakes.
Nothing matters. Power resides where D&D believe it resides" is more accurate.
"You go from mourning a friend, to massacring an entire city, to a comical load of bricks falling on the fan favourites, to CleganeBowl, to a dwarf playing musical chairs."
"It's stylistically designed to be that way, but we can diminish the effects of it"
Competent writers would, for example, create a short, high-impact scene portraying Hodor as a walker. Imagine how heartbreaking that would be...
@Shinga2000 create emotion that was quite absent in the last few episodes?
it would serve nothing more than hollow fan service
@Shinga2000 Good point. Too bad you didn't read my comment carefully enough. What purpose do you think "for example" serves in the 1st sentence?
@@hydraulikz Fan service may have become a dirty word thanks to talentless entertainment journalists, but sometimes the emotion it creates can be a much more worthwhile use of screentime than generic battle footage. It wouldn't even need a full scene, even just narrowing down the Arya stealth scene to her trying to escape a Wight Hodor amidst the other Wights would be enough to increase the tension and add a personal stake. That's the sort of thing that good writers can do consistently, seeing fan service for what it is, another tool. As opposed to the two tools who shat out the filth we ended up getting.
Better than that; a risen Benjin Stark, give that chartacter a fucking purpose and use him as the Mouth of the Night King or something.
Season 8's biggest annoying part was Everytime someone found out about Jon Snow's real identity, it happened off camera and would constantly bait us into it before taking it away.
Just like Sansa being smart and Dang being mad and Arya being a great fighter. They showed us like 1/10 of each of those “new attributes” and told us the rest before turning the characters into this “new version” of themselves.
Literally the first rule of film is to show, don’t tell. If they didn’t know how to show they should’ve given the job to someone else. Anything else is just embarrassing and a waste of time.
@@shannonceleste5557 I do like that all the main female characters are moulded into the same sort of cold, calculating, "badass", murderous bitches. That's funny to me for many reasons
@@shannonceleste5557 they kinda did show dany’s madness throughout the destruction of King’s Landing, but the transition to that madness is shit
For me the fact that Jon had no existential understanding from his "resurrection" was really unbelievable. For me the fact that Jon had no existential experience learning who his parents were. For me the fact that his parentage played ZERO part in the storyline except that "killer Dany" begs him not to reveal his true self. For me the fact that big bad moral Jon rides off into the sunset without his balls because he "killed" Dany. He killed and even murdered plenty of people but THIS was somehow fodder for expulsion?
What makes it worse after the fact is Dumb and Dumber wanted to rush off to Star Wars. A thing that never ended up happening. So they destroyed GoT for no reason at all.
they were bad anyway, more eps or seasons would've just prolonged the suffering
You know u f ed up when, after so long, people still bash your finale
At the very least, Gendry should have been named King as he is Robert’s true heir and has lived the life of a peasant which would mean that he would rule with the people of Kings Landing in mind. He is a great warrior like his father and has a good heart. The story could have come full circle if they wrote a romance between Arya and Gendry. Since Arya is described in the show as looking and acting the most like Lyanna. It could have resembled true peace in for Westeros. Anything honestly would have been better than the horse shite with Bran.
But what about Arya's "I'm not a lady"? She has said times and times again that she's not happy with that life so her accepting to become queen wouldn't be coherent.. well the same as bran suddenly going for the crown after saying he's no Lord or human anymore
Right ? Why the fuck would they pick bran when gendey I'd right there ? He's literally the last and true bratheon who are still the royal family the throne should automatically go to him not some crippled boy
And if people want a truly tragic closure have Gendry marry Sansa as a tragic irony while Arya goes west.
I understand why they picked Bran. He understood all of human history and how 'playing the game of thrones' led to the inevitable betrayal of kings and the destruction of kingdoms. A never ending cycle of corruption, revenge, suffering, and a sense of entitlement that always turned into a plot to take the throne. A world ruled by status, lineage, and titles where peace was always short lived because virtuous people were rare. This is why Ned Starks death was so powerful. The virtuous people needed to change the world for the better have no desire to play this dangerous 'game' which is why they would automatically be at a disadvantage. I understand that people were upset with Dany becoming evil but her entitlement was obvious from the start foreshadowing her inevitable demise. She was willing to do anything or kill anyone for the throne which is why she couldn't win. It would have only continued the cycle. This is exactly why Jon Snow knew he had to kill her. She had gone too far. Looking back at all of her choices it was the path she chose all along. Unfortunately, even though Jon Snow would have been a great ruler, the hero is very rarely rewarded for his selfless sacrifices. Killing Dany meant he had created many enemies and the only way to quench their desire for justice/revenge and to truly end the cycle was to accept exile. Bran, by this point, was the only option.
@@Stranzua daenerys wasn't entitled her family ruled westaros so she by all the laws was the rightful queen just like stannes was the rightful king there's nothing entitled about it nor did it foreshadow anything , her burning kingslanding was complete nonsense " she was willing to do anything or kill anyone for the throne which is why she couldn't win " really is that why she choose to stay in Maureen to keep the slaves free sacrificing her chance to take the throne? Is that why she chained up her Dragons when one of then killed a innocent? Is that why she said" I don't want to be queen of the ashes " is that why she choose to kelp Jon save westaros from the white walks vs taking the throne from circi once again sacrificing her chance for the greater good ? Ma's queen dany was bullshit and you a idiot to think it wasn't , " it would have only continued the cycle" no it wouldn't danys goal was to stop the cycle not continue it , Jon only killed her because tyrion told him to ,if you looked back at all her choices you'd realize her turn was complete nonsense but you clearly are incapable of that and eat up d&d's bullshit , that's also nonsense if Jon killing dany was nessasery why would he created enemies? He'd be seen as a hero and would immediately be king not sent to the wall , none of the bullshit you said explained why bran being king makes since be has no leadership skills , no political skills , he doesn't inspire loyalty , he can't have kids , and has no claim nobody in there right mind would pick a cripple as the king of the land by law the throne should have gone to ether gendry or Jon not fucking bran.
I started watching game of thrones when I was 15, around season 3 I started reading the books. And when the show went past the books I stopped watching the show because I didn't want (semi) spoilers. So I stopped watching after season 4. To this day I haven't watched the last 4 seasons. What a lucky call.
Yes that is the perfect time to stop watching; season 5 was a step down and from that point every new season was the worst season
Ngl when bran said “wHy YoU tHiNk I rOlLeD hErE” I literally got up and went to the bathroom, for the first time in got I used the bathroom during the show
Bran is the ultimate villain of GoT. Change my mind.
@@mamasam5180 No its david and dan
I still get PTSD over this season. Every time I think about "Dany just kinda forget", something painful stabs at my heart.
This season is the master class of what it’s like filming on battery saving mode.
When I first heard that it'll be only 6 episodes, I was worried that events will be crammed and executed in a fast paced manner. But no, they managed to put so much filler and rush storylines at the same time.
Right? It's very impressive. I see shows everywhere trying to do this, but none live up to Benioff & Weiss, writer... icons!
I was worried upon hearing that too but I was such a fanboy I still had faith. Then the first 2 episodes were complete throwaways where absolutely nothing happened and I knew we were in trouble
At least we got coughing Varys, which is undoubtedly one of the very few highlights of this tragedy of a season.
Also this very same scene confirmed a theory that Varys is a mermaid, which of course makes sense thinking in retrospect.
“Merman! Eh eh eh, Merman!!!”
@@BH-98 Hehe yeah I know that since he's a man he'd be a merman but for some reason in my mind Varys being a male female mermaid makes it more funny. Also... we can't be sure if Varys is secretly a woman, he says his balls were cut off but maybe in reality he just has vagina.
@@BH-98 what is this a castle for ANTS?!
The lack of Dorne plot points in season 7 & 8 is astonishing. One of the greatest nations in Westeros, know for being so resilient they endured centuries of Targaryen attacks, reduced to a side note where they dont even get a saying in who rules the continent.
Dorne was already destroyed by the stupid plot lol. Looking back now, if someone wanted to fix the ending, they'd have to redo seasons 7 & 8, and a solid chunk of s6 as well.
It was the bad pooosay hahaha
The only part of Dorne l liked was Oberyn. Every other Dorne scene felt a waste of time, like why are we even here again.
worst thing is S8 ruins basically the entire show and makes rewatches impossible
I watch individual scenes I like from time to time(mostly relating to the dragons 😆).
I hate Season 8 as much as most people do, but I went back to the first four seasons and enjoyed them. I honestly pity anyone whose hatred of Season 8 ruined the rest of the show for them.
Yes, season 8 make stop watching GOT altogether
@@artificialaceattorney6822 that has nothing to do with hatred, it's just not interesting anymore when anything leads to that ending.
No… I like to watch seasons 1-4 and pretend the rest never happened.
Season 8 was absolutely a perfect season. Because after the season I completely did not care about GOT and was not bummed out that it was over. That is a feat in itself.
Olenna's description of Cersei near the end is absolutely great. Like that line was put in the show because they knew they would destroy her character like that.
One change they could have made was have Brienne die in the battle of Winterfell. It would have made Jamie's return to Cersei more logical, considering she was the one who believed he was redeemable (and without her, he'd be surrounded by people who didn't trust him) and it would mean a major character actually died defeating the Night King.
Actually that whole storyline wherein Cersei goes to a witch and learns about her death - big fat ZERO. It would have been perfect IF Jamie had killed his sister or if Cersei had killed Jamie. Alas...
Jaime always showed cared about his family more than anything
Died protecting his sister
One of the biggest things that pissses me off is apparently they never had "time" to show arya telling john about all the shit shes been through and why shes such a good fighter now. Don't you think John would like to know? I don't know what goes through these writers heads but the fact that youtube comments can come up with a better story is really really sad.
They had plenty of time. They just didn’t want to take it and didn’t know how to show it so they gave up.
I KNOW RIGHT? Arya never told jon about her quest to become a faceless man. How she can literally change faces. Jon was always her biggest supporter so why wouldn't they have a heart to heart about that? He would have been so proud of her.
@@shannonceleste5557 Sometimes, is usefull this (explaining WTF happened) some others, no so usefull, because the series become stagnant about people telling the story of his life for hours an hours without any change (and also, was already told)... One good example of this, are "the earths children", from Auel.
Couldn’t stand how they just let Sansa say yeah I’m ruling the north and I don’t care
My favorite moment in the whole show is when Jon Snow looks at the Iron Throne and says " This really has been a Game of Thrones "
The best moment in the show is when Drogon says "It's game of thronin' time" and starts gaming all the thrones. What a great writing, I literally cried on this scene, bravo D&D
@@atay_esh I heard that scene won an Oscar the last line drogon says is legendary “it’s drogon time” how do they think of this stuff
Not as good as when Jon and help fight the white walkers and Jon remarks "It's always been a song of Ice and fire"
Man, Jonn taking the throne because he has a responsibility to the people, makes so much sense and would have been so satisfying. Instead they made fucking bran king lol. Makes no sense whatsoever, nobody likes bran, and it just feels like a joke. Like a prank.
Above all, no one knows Bran, no one knows what a three-eyed Raven is.
”Subverting expectations”. The only motivation Dumb & Dumber had when writing
They explain his power more!.
It doesn’t feel like a joke. It’s a joke, literally.
Jon being someone destined to be a wise and humble king even complete with a special sword and Bran being there as his magical advisor would be a perfect Arthurian situation. I wouldn't be surprised if the first thing Jon would do is get that long table in the small council meetings replaced by a round one...
I think it’s amazing that Db Weiss and Dan Benioff still haven’t come out of hiding yet
Hello darkness, my old friend. Thanks for digging up my GoT season 8 PTSD again.
The night king and cersei dying by slipping off of a banana peel feels like a better villian death than what we got
The funniest thing that many don't mention is that aside from Tyrion's ridiculous suggestion that the future king should be chosen based on his story - which would honestly disqualify Bran - he suggests this as a prisoner. And the 'roundtable' conveniently approves this without any conflict by any parties. It just happens like that.
Plot elements from the books that would have helped explain Daenerys‘ descent into villainy more had they not cut them from the show:
1) Young Griff aka Aegon son of Rhaegar and Elia aka Jon’s half brother. Had they included him and their respective factions pushed Dany and Aegon to become husband and wife, it would have had a similar dilemma to Jon and Dany’s relationship but more appealing to her because Aegon actively wants to be with her and rule the 7 Kingdoms. But if he’s captured and executed by Cersei instead of Missendi, Dany has even more of a reason to snap and burn everything because instead of losing a best friend, she’s losing a family member and lover.
2) Tyrion’s original character arc after murdering Tywin. Instead of becoming a feeble and dumb advisor who is better at making d*ck jokes than advising Dany, he becomes a venomous, ruthless villain-in-the-making. He doesn’t care about Dany’s high ideals of “breaking the wheel” he just wants his family to suffer for all the cruelty they’ve inflicted on him over the years. So the show should have had him feeding her worst impulses to make her campaign more brutal but effective, all the while realizing the people of Westeros fear a Targarayen that acts this way. So Tyrion thinks ahead and starts cultivating other candidates like Jon and Bran that can be offered as preferable candidates instead all the while deliberately throwing potential problems like Varys under the bus
Tyrion's character after killing Tywin was a wasted opportunity in the show. Tyrion becoming more ruthless, more violent and basically creating a mad queen by feeding her violent tendencies and pushing her towards burning down those who oppose her would have been very intetesting. Instead D&D couldn't bring themselves to do something interesting with Tyrion and he just quips cock jokes and "ooh, I also loved her, Jon" what a lame direction for such a good character.
“But how could they make Tyrion still likable if they are loyal to source material?”
Well, look at Better Call Saul. The protagonist, Jimmy McGill (aka Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad) has the same character trajectory. He’s a villain but is extremely likable and we root for him thanks to good writing.
Not just Jimmy, but Walter White. Fiction is full of beloved stories about noble characters that become monsters/ villains (MacBeth, Michael Corleone from Godfather, Harvey Dent/Two Face from Batman, Darth Vader from Star Wars, etc.). It’s stupid of D&D to think fans wouldn’t like Tyrion having a similar story arc
@@thedoctor4327 I use Jimmy as an example because his relationship with Chuck is the same with Tyrion’s relationship with Tywin. They are smart and tricky characters who love using unethical ways to get noble results. Got insulted a lot by his own family. In a season that Chuck/Tywin died, Jimmy/Tyrion did a huge fuck up that led to a court case. Jimmy indirectly killed Chuck while Tyrion directly killed Tywin.
The difference is the aftermath. All Tyrion did was making dick jokes while constantly making stupid decisions (yet the show keep saying that he is smart as fuck, at least until he met Sansa again.
Jimmy, on the other hand, became much darker and more evil. Actually, we all know how he ended up. He went full evil clown “Saul Goodman” whose first suggestion to Walt was to “murder” Badger and one of his last advice had something to do about murdering Jesse and Hank. And he faced the consequences of his action. Tyrion didn’t face shit.
@@thedoctor4327 Don't forget about Hannibal Lecter
D&D need to learn that screwing the writing so you can feel smug about ‘outsmarting’ your viewers is just dumb and egocentric. Viewers SHOULD be able to see the direction the story is going, and when they’re shocked, be able to look back and see the build up and the foreshadowing, thats how you know the consistency is there and the storytelling is sound. The whole subvert expectations thing was just shock value over good writing.
The funny thing is that that's the opposite of what George Martin does and why his writing actually has impact.
Yeah, the red wedding and even tywins death are perfectly predictable but utterly deserved consequences that feel wonderful to see
the character development through dialogue in the early seasons is so good i can just listen to it while working (from home) with only occasional glances at the screen and still easily follow and enjoy the story.
Great analysis. Scenes moving too fast doesn’t give you time to absorb what has happened. Damn D and D.
Someone said watching all of GoT & then reaching season 8 is like eating a delicious sandwich only to find a long thick pubic hair on the last bite
LoL!
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I’m a simple man. I see a video unmercifully dragging the end of GoT, I click.
S1:First scene of GOT was all about showing that knight king is the real deal.
S8:Nope.
Yet the night king is a show only character.
@@Challis1989 The Others, or well the White Walkers as they're called in the show, are nonetheless a gigantic threat in the books. They're basically the force that goes: ''Hey guys, stop killing each other like idiots, there's real problems afoot'' George likes to dangle about to make the tension of everyone continuing to kill each other all the more real. I'd argue they're the driving force of it all.
Writers have to learn to stop treating their fanbases like trash "omg you all guessed that so I have to change the plot for some idiotic reason"
That’s how a 19 year old writes online fiction, not two allegedly “professional” show runners
Season 8 was so bad I thought it was a joke. Meanwhile D&D wrote that garbage and thought to themselves...... Nailed it!!
Over two years later and you’re still posting on this season. You have my respect.
It should have been an all over realization that Bran planned everything. From Ned’s death to the Red Wedding to the destruction of Kings Landing. He wanted the throne and that’s what he did to get it. He’s not a hero but the villain. Even that would have been a better plot twist.
To keep your comment going:
"...He's not a hero, he's a villain" and he's won the game, the villain won. After all, and i quote the show here "if you expected an happy ending, you haven't been paying attention" so bran being the big villain who won all would even be coherent with the story u.u
I just finished this show and I’m binging these critique videos attempting to cope with the pain I just watched.
"You have been stripped of your dignity and authority, publicly shamed and confined to the Red Keep. What's left to work with?"
Diana Rigg to Season 8 Cersei
It blows my mind that this season somehow actually won Emmy awards.
It shows how disgustingly bad hollywood is corrupted and just go for things with a lot of money or a famous cast
Hollywood is a fucking sham.
And Better Call Saul didn’t
If you still thought awards had anything to do with actual quality, you haven't been paying attention.
Everything OTHER than the writing is on point.
This freakin hurts to watch man, I don't know why I keep torturing myself... A well done video like yours just further highlights just what COULD have been and amplifies the pain. I guess I should have taken Yoda's advice... "Only pain you will find"
1:17 Labeling the Dothraki "Season 8" and the Night King's army "The Finish" line is pretty great.