There have been false spec sheets floating around. There is a video where Gary, the owner of the company importing these in Utah, weighs it and its 320 lbs dry and about 370 lbs with 8 gallons of gas
Hi Brett, thanks for the inquiry. This vehicle's claimed weight is 368 pounds. We say it multiple times in this editorial. The technical specifications chart we crafted has a typo of 'four' instead of 'three'. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and our U.S. riding community. We take great pride in publishing the most accurate content.
Yooo and a hooo, husqvarna, ktm, honda, Yamaha, and yadda yadda yadda… are you paying attention? OOO don’t you dare, Honda! Your CRF300 Rally does not count, nope!! Get back work, you guys! I gotta say, Kove, welcome to the super tiny club, great job and, gollly, your Rally is sexy!
Quick overview and history of the bike. For all the bikers: don't judge the book by it's covers. Kove bikes are not copies of anything,they are built from a blank paper,with 2 main things in mind: lightweight and ridebility. Due to specialy designed frame and use of lightweight materials,kove bikes are the lightest in all categories. They use high quality components ( suspension,brakes,engines,frames...) there is not a single negative point on Kove bikes which needs replacement,revalving,strenghtening. The proof for that came on Dakar rally 2023,where 3 kove 450 rally entered the race and all 3 bikes made it to the finish line without mechanical issues. For 450 rally, i can say it reminds me on the old suzuki drz400, but improved in terms of suspension,engine,ergonomics,brakes, but keeping user friendly nature and durability. It is better on the road than non modified ktm690,husqvarna 701, and in offroad situations is nearly on pair with dirt bike class 450-500ccm. At the end of the year kove800x is comming..a 2 cylinder adv bike,with a dry weight of only 364lbs, solid not to soft suspension and 95hp. KOVE is also competing in WSBK 300 championship 2023. So...we can not say this is just another Chinese piece of crap. It is something different,very different.
I bought a new DRZ400 and I will sell it and buy this one instead..The only thing better with he DRZ is the starter, lol. I once accidentally left the headlight on for half an hour or so and it started right up. Never a problem.
Once the aftermarket gets on it game over. Anything that needs upgrading will definitely get it from high quality aftermarket companies. The amount of accessories for this bike will be insanely wide. After 2 or 3 years this will be the go to 450 dual sport.
@@MERMBRAMA Every bike needs upgrades. Every single one of them has issues. I can already tell that it needs aftermarket wheels and hubs unless they make them better for production. They broke the front in Dakar along with other issues.
3 bikes in the Dakar and 3 bikes finished the Dakar, well done on KOVE, they know what they are doing and have really put a lot of thought in this motorcycle, beautiful machine for a good price
Nice overview of the bike, the battery in this bike review IS NOT the battery that will be coming in the bikes! The bikes where air shipped in and we installed the wrong size cranking power battery. The Production bikes will have that solved. As for the shifting issue Im not 100% sure the cause but I have seen it in other bikes when a rider has landing hard on the shifter with with throttle which caused the problem. It has since been fixed and we have had 4 other reviews and 30 more hours on the bike since that time. The bikes are being punished almost daily! I appreciate what this review, it seems to be give from more of a street bikers perspective than a dirt biker but non the less it does point out the capabilities of the bike. The "low oil" is a translation error that will be corrected in the production bikes, what it means is "low fuel" China often refers to the fuel tanks as "oil tank" the prompt on the display for "low oil" was actually referring to "low fuel" it will be corrected on the production models. Happy to answer any questions that where not answered in this review.
@@hamerplayer1229 Yes we will offer bikes through dealerships but if a dealer is not in the area, we will also offer direct to consumer. The first models will be imported as offroad use but we have bikes at the labs for street legal testing now and expect to have all the paperwork passed by late fall of 2023 and production street legal models available soon after.
Hi Gary, thank you for the note. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but this is easily the most comprehensive evaluation of this vehicle. The features and benefits of this product and its model positioning were clearly stated. We take pride in publishing inclusive, accurate and in-depth editorial on all types of powersport vehicles to our proven-purchasing U.S. audience.
Awesome and I can’t wait to test ride this beast! Kove hit a home run with 450 FSE-oh ya baby! It’s like Kove came into the competitor’s den helped himself to their lunch, and got it on with the ladies-oh ya baby!! 9Gs for this!! Whaaat! How’s this possible? For that price I’m getting 2!
I often get flack for riding a Chyna bike but I don't give a damn. I committed to the theme for the foreseeable future to be the only one riding one in my group of friends that ride Harley, Indian, Hondas or Suzukis. I tuned up (too much to list here) and modified a Brozz 250 to a great degree, shes never left me stranded anywhere with 3,500+ miles currently. I surprisingly get a ton of questions most everywhere I go. Those that get to ride it are always surprised by how well it runs especially at that price point of 2K dollars to get started, Its my first bike. I figured if i wreck it -No big loss. I can buy 4 Brozz for the cost of a new Honda. What's also valuable is the knowledge i've gained tinkering and tuning it - a certain satisfaction.
@@TroopThrowback why should they? They have to be Streetlegal in the country of the manufacturer (and they are) to be allowed to Drive in the Rally Dakar. Espacially who cares in the US (except california) that the Bike isnt Streetlegal?
@@MyNikmaster I’m not sure what you mean by your California comment, as USA homologation is not exclusive to California. There are plenty for whom a lack of US DOT certification is a registration issue in the USA. It’s not a large market, but even for those who can afford the bike it is a hurdle. American Dakar finisher Mo Hart mentioned just that fact in an interview on Chasing Waypoints Podcast, for a recent example.
@@MyNikmaster your comment also presupposes that Dakar entry is the only reason ktm group offers the rally replica for sale. Most of those rally replicas never get used in Dakar, but they certainly do see use in other rallies all over the world. On another note, the lack of usa homologation is indeed a hindrance to their use in the only AMA sanctioned rally in the USA. It would be nice if that would change. And all that said, I don’t think ktm group will ever consider paying the ridiculous fees for USA dot homologation, as I don’t see the 450RR as a profit motivated item in their catalog, and the numbers of units sold would make it a really poor investment anyway.
@@TroopThrowback i want to say with this, that a lot of states doesn't control street legality of vehicles. What i know is that California has some sort of mandatory inspection on vehicles, i dont know what other states laws are. The US is not KTMs primary racing target Market so they dont care as much to complying in US racing classes.
@@Land-Shark that's not true. We can't plate most bikes with a police inspection. They check for headlights, horn, etc. Signs the form and the bike can be plated. Sorry if that's not the case where you live.
It's a growing market. People said the same about supermotos. I hear the maintenance intervals are better than the crf450l and that alone has got me interested. They might be trying to take advantage of this growing market as a way to establish themselves. They've also got no direct competition in this market. I think they're being smart.
Few other reviews stating transmission problems as well. Three factory bikes making it across the line at Dakar doesn't mean these won't blow apart inside. Also, I've heard they let this engine top out at 12k rpm. Not even the Jap bikes will hit that even with shorter stroke engines, so this sounds like a grenade waiting to happen.
Id like to test out one of these to see how much quality they really have. The trans having a problem isnt reassuring. I would however still like to take one out on local trails in the woods. That wod give it a proper test.
"Unloaded seat height of the race model and standard high model is just under 38 inches. The low seat model will be 2 inches less." Is what I saw on GPX website but they also list ground clearance 2" lower than stock so they must be lowering suspension for that model, not just a different seat. You said 368 lbs but graphicin vid said 468 lbs. Maybe that was a typo and it really is under 400 lbs? Website says 320 lbs dry so maybe it is 368 wet? I think that motor is pretty high compression. I wonder if they put low octane fuel in it? Maybe that's why it was knocking? I'd be most worried about the fuel injection on that bike, especially after the EPA testing. Still these Chinese bikes are getting better.
Gary from GPX said it takes low octane fuel when I asked him. Also, notice the turn signals on this one, this is the model they are intending to be street legal. But I know what you are saying with the EPA testing, who knows what they have to do with the fueling after the testing. Hopefully the ECU in this video is already built for the EPA testing like we’ve been told
$9k is a bit much for sure although it is unique in the marketplace for now. $7k would be more realistic given its place of origin. GPX is in danger of pricing itself out of the market as it sits between the premium brands and Chinese brands which are half or less than a corresponding premium brand. GPX is around 60-75% of premium pricing.
@@sburns2421 it is almost the same as the bike which conqured the Dakar rally. 9k is a great deal for such motorcycle and it's components. If you judge the bike by the country of origin, you miss a lot. They are incredibly well build bikes with top components,and unique approach.
Starting it and giving a little throttle like you do, confusing ignition on that bike. Start it without giving throttle input, and it fires without any hesitation.
Don't forget that in the top of the level there is a bike specialy made for customers tha want a bike Just for racing .. and it comes already preapared with a much better components as the roadbook tower etc.!! For Just a couple of grands more!!
CHINER!!! You guys are going to pass up on the bike that everyone has been asking for because of where its made when half the stuff in your house is made in CHINER!
Nice video thanks! About that bike, I'm a bit biased because I'm not sure about the reliability and durability. I think nothing can be said for now, except that it's a nice bike, apparently with good components, but it's Chinese, and sometimes Chinese vehicles don't last long. However, I probably have to consider that Chinese vehicles are no longer those vehicles we used to know, and perhaps even more reliable than some Americans and Europeans. Let's see in the future. The price is too good to be true, but we know how hard Chinese people work (let's say they are obligated to), so they can offer a really competitive price. Is there any bikes we can compare this Kove to? The Ktm 450 Replica is not sold in the USA and costs three times the Kove, others? The only problem is that it is not street legal yet, and these very restricted laws (in Europe even more than in the USA, I reckon), linked to the idea of the environment (just an excuse though, for the purposes of the system), could sacrifice that engine.
Because it is a purpose built rally bike,in most parts identical to the bikes,which succesfully finished the Dakar and Sonora rally. Drive one and compare it to the 701 and see for yourself
@@MERMBRAMA i dont think i ll ever have the chance to drive a Kove, i ll look into it. But i doubt that there will be dealers in my country to begin win.
Looks street legal to me. CST tires have been around in the off road scene in Australia since the early 70s, for instance I ran them on my first series Honda Elsinore 125. Later on on my KLX 250 . They make Maxxis tyres for just about everything from bicycles to trucks. Love the bike, hate the commentary.
Yeah great vid mate! How would you feel if this were an American made bike copied by China instead of a European, Japanese or Indian bike? Would you be as enthusiastic?
IMO things like the suspension and various running gear components, which have zero credibility in the marketplace, is where the Chinese bikes fail. You could argue now that if you hate Chinese engines don't bother with many small BMW and KTM as they are built there. Perhaps the same with certain Triumph and Ducati models built in Thailand with largely Chinese parts. To me the engine is not a deal-breaker. Ironically if a premium manufacturer released this bike, "assembled" somewhere other than China with KYB or Showa suspension and a few other name brands components it would probably sell like crazy even at $10k or $11k. Make an S or R version with exhaust and Ohlins for a bit more and it would outsell the base model.
Actually if you do a research you will see that kove500x has nissin brakes,kyb full adjustible suspension,akront wheels,bosch ecu and abs. On 450 rally, brakes are also nissin,bosch ecu and yu-an suspension rally style, which is actualy on pair with showa. One of the few suspensions on the market, which doesn't need an upgrade from the stock.
@@MERMBRAMA we will have to see if the suspension is any good. I suspect it will be one of the weak links of the machine. People buy a Kayo for example and ditch the FastAce suspension for something off a Japanese MX bike. This might be relatively straightforward but would probably be at least a few hundred bucks buying used. Somewhat mitigates the low price attractiveness of the bike in the first place.
@@sburns2421 actually the suspension is one of the best things on kove 450 rally. It is top of the yu-an shels, 49mm fully adjustible suspension with great bottoming resistance. If you look at the fork you will see similarities with showa 49, used in motocross. If it is good for dakar racing it will be even better for us mortals. Check the suspension action of 450 rally on videos...it is amazing
I don't understand what the competition is. Idk much about motorcycles. Isn't $9k a lot of money for a motorcycle? I guess a Desert X is $17k And a Tenere 700 $10-11? oh it's not street legal. AFAIK Chinese bikes have terrible resale value & support. oh one of the transmissions died on the day of filming. Well, GL to Kove. I guess competition is usually good for the consumer.
They have a lower seat model if you go to GPX’s site. That it’s narrow will also help. Dirt bikes are never going to have 32” seat height due to how they are used unfortunately.
@@pabloricardodetarragon2649 i understand and wouldn't be worried if i were to use this solely for off-road use. I was thinking of this could be an all purpose adv and manoeuvering that through traffic might be hard, specially in India.
Where are all the dealers then? China can make anything look the same as non Chinese products due to their non compliance and snubbing of intellectual property, copyright and trademark laws. But HONESTLY, can you name 1 great Chinese mechanical product when compared to the major existing brands? Look at Formula 1, look at Moto GP, look at World Rally, look at indy, look at any sports and touring cars series. The list goes on and on and on……I agree that prices for the major brands are mostly unjustifiably inflated, but until there are QUALITY and PROVEN competitors, nothing is going to change.
Hey noticed a-lot of amateurish things about the cinematography (rocking back and forth over and over) of this shoot. If you’re seeking one and are in the Las Vegas area- let me know. 🎥
Japanese manufactures started in the same way. These Kove motorcycles ( and 2 or 3 Other Chinese brands ) are already matching Japanese bulid quality. The only difference here is the price,which is about 30% cheaper than Japanese manufacturers. See and try kove bikes,and try to find a weak spot,and lack of build quality. You will be very surprised,if you put your negative opinion about the origine aside
Importers are signing on worldwide because they KNOW what this bike IS, It WILL have worldwide support and following, mass production is just starting and most of the importers worldwide will start to get bikes later this summer.
Well, Benelli is selling well in Europe. And I can see a lot of Chinese motorcycles brands in European street today, like CFMoto, VOGE, and many sub-brands of Qjmotor. You can't see them in Japan and the us is because they are not free market, they put a lot of tariffs on Chinese products.
I'd suggest a script, camera person to hold the camera (even if it's a phone), and public speaking classes. This video is basically unwatchable and listening to this guy stumble over his words trying to wing it is... cruel and unusual punishment. Motorcyclist Magazine, you are in violation of he 8th amendment.
9000 usd, well built and incredibly good components, over 50 dealers just in the usa,not to mention other world, and this tested versions were not street legal. The other will be street legal.
@@MERMBRAMA It started to stumble in the review, and sounded off towards the end. Not to mention showing low fuel and low oil. No one even checked it, they just said “send it” It’s not street legal as of now, and that’s what matters.
@@sarahdell4042 low oil light? Are you sure? I can tell you it is not possible..as far as low fuel light goes, i am sure this bike has a big fuel reserve, so nothimg wrong with riding a lighter bike in the sand.
Buying a motorcycle produced in a single party fascist state that is expected to invade Taiwan in the next few years seems like a really bad idea no matter how good of a deal it may be.
So does that remain the same for all name brand bike parts that are made in China also on your honda, ktm bmw, ford, chevy, etc, etc..etc... ? Just curious. Country of origin doesn't not determine quality. We live in a world economy.
This model made a breakthroug in Dakar rally 2023. All 3 bike first time at Dakar, with 3 riders also firs timers. All made at through the finish without mechanical problems, first rider Sunier elwas 9th in his class. Something like that has never happend im 44 years of Dakar history. I wonder if you could buy such a product at wallmart
@@MERMBRAMA The bike didn't even crank for the professional reviewer while on a review session video, lol. Not only that, there were "phantom?" low oil and low fuel lights during the demo.
@@KREllis-vr1ix you are funny....trying so hard to prove it is a bad Chinese piece of crap. The bike didn't crank? Seriously? Because of the dead battery? Because someone drained the battery dead? Yes yes...chinese crap.. do you know what are the phantom lights up there on the display? Maybe they are not phantom.. Just continue and try to prove it is a bad bike...it must be yes? It is made in China! It can't be any good. You are living in the past,ignoring everething new,especialy from China.
@@KREllis-vr1ix The "low oil" is a translation error that is being fixed on the production bikes China call "fuel" oil" the low oil light was for low fuel, The production bikes will be corrected to show "low fuel" NOT oil. Again these are pro-production bikes and the translation will be corrected for production.
3 bikes entered and 3 bikes finished with no mechanical penalties in the hardest Dakar Rally in modern memory. NO factory has done this in their first year at a Dakar, ever.
Also, why did the spec sheet that you posted on the screen show a wet weight that's 5lbs HEAVIER than a KTM 890 Adventure?!?
There have been false spec sheets floating around. There is a video where Gary, the owner of the company importing these in Utah, weighs it and its 320 lbs dry and about 370 lbs with 8 gallons of gas
@AUSTIN BAUMAN 320lbs dry is awesome! Just surprised they showed a porky number and then quote a lighter figure verbally in the same video.
Hi Brett, thanks for the inquiry. This vehicle's claimed weight is 368 pounds. We say it multiple times in this editorial. The technical specifications chart we crafted has a typo of 'four' instead of 'three'. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and our U.S. riding community. We take great pride in publishing the most accurate content.
Yooo and a hooo, husqvarna, ktm, honda, Yamaha, and yadda yadda yadda… are you paying attention? OOO don’t you dare, Honda! Your CRF300 Rally does not count, nope!! Get back work, you guys! I gotta say, Kove, welcome to the super tiny club, great job and, gollly, your Rally is sexy!
It's 147kg I believe
Quick overview and history of the bike.
For all the bikers: don't judge the book by it's covers.
Kove bikes are not copies of anything,they are built from a blank paper,with 2 main things in mind: lightweight and ridebility.
Due to specialy designed frame and use of lightweight materials,kove bikes are the lightest in all categories.
They use high quality components ( suspension,brakes,engines,frames...) there is not a single negative point on Kove bikes which needs replacement,revalving,strenghtening.
The proof for that came on Dakar rally 2023,where 3 kove 450 rally entered the race and all 3 bikes made it to the finish line without mechanical issues.
For 450 rally, i can say it reminds me on the old suzuki drz400, but improved in terms of suspension,engine,ergonomics,brakes, but keeping user friendly nature and durability.
It is better on the road than non modified ktm690,husqvarna 701, and in offroad situations is nearly on pair with dirt bike class 450-500ccm.
At the end of the year kove800x is comming..a 2 cylinder adv bike,with a dry weight of only 364lbs, solid not to soft suspension and 95hp.
KOVE is also competing in WSBK 300 championship 2023.
So...we can not say this is just another Chinese piece of crap. It is something different,very different.
A Baja bike for half the price of an equivalent KTM.
I bought a new DRZ400 and I will sell it and buy this one instead..The only thing better with he DRZ is the starter, lol. I once accidentally left the headlight on for half an hour or so and it started right up. Never a problem.
Once the aftermarket gets on it game over. Anything that needs upgrading will definitely get it from high quality aftermarket companies. The amount of accessories for this bike will be insanely wide. After 2 or 3 years this will be the go to 450 dual sport.
@@NeoMK the bike who completed the Dakar and Sonora rally doesn't need a lot of aftermarket substitutions. It is as good as it gets from the box.
@@MERMBRAMA Every bike needs upgrades. Every single one of them has issues. I can already tell that it needs aftermarket wheels and hubs unless they make them better for production. They broke the front in Dakar along with other issues.
3 bikes in the Dakar and 3 bikes finished the Dakar, well done on KOVE, they know what they are doing and have really put a lot of thought in this motorcycle, beautiful machine for a good price
This thing is rad, a bike I have been waiting for, A dual sport with huge range = win.
Good to see China putting out an exciting rally style bike available to the public. Really hope it inspires more competition.
I don't get why you are so negative in the comments. I, for one, am hyped.
Generic motorcycle channels attract the most miserable motherfuckers on the planet.
Nice overview of the bike, the battery in this bike review IS NOT the battery that will be coming in the bikes! The bikes where air shipped in and we installed the wrong size cranking power battery. The Production bikes will have that solved. As for the shifting issue Im not 100% sure the cause but I have seen it in other bikes when a rider has landing hard on the shifter with with throttle which caused the problem. It has since been fixed and we have had 4 other reviews and 30 more hours on the bike since that time. The bikes are being punished almost daily! I appreciate what this review, it seems to be give from more of a street bikers perspective than a dirt biker but non the less it does point out the capabilities of the bike.
The "low oil" is a translation error that will be corrected in the production bikes, what it means is "low fuel" China often refers to the fuel tanks as "oil tank" the prompt on the display for "low oil" was actually referring to "low fuel" it will be corrected on the production models. Happy to answer any questions that where not answered in this review.
Will there be a street legal option available? Will there be dealerships?
@@hamerplayer1229 Yes we will offer bikes through dealerships but if a dealer is not in the area, we will also offer direct to consumer. The first models will be imported as offroad use but we have bikes at the labs for street legal testing now and expect to have all the paperwork passed by late fall of 2023 and production street legal models available soon after.
Hi Gary, thank you for the note. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but this is easily the most comprehensive evaluation of this vehicle. The features and benefits of this product and its model positioning were clearly stated. We take pride in publishing inclusive, accurate and in-depth editorial on all types of powersport vehicles to our proven-purchasing U.S. audience.
@@AdamWaheed Yes thank you, very nice work.
@@gpxmotousa4416 Thanks for letting us try out your bike. Hope you are well in Utah and we look forward to riding with you again.
I am thinking about buying this bike or the Kove 800 X Rally....I am still waiting for these awesome bikes to arrive in the Netherlands...
Awesome and I can’t wait to test ride this beast! Kove hit a home run with 450 FSE-oh ya baby! It’s like Kove came into the competitor’s den helped himself to their lunch, and got it on with the ladies-oh ya baby!! 9Gs for this!! Whaaat! How’s this possible? For that price I’m getting 2!
I often get flack for riding a Chyna bike but I don't give a damn. I committed to the theme for the foreseeable future to be the only one riding one in my group of friends that ride Harley, Indian, Hondas or Suzukis. I tuned up (too much to list here) and modified a Brozz 250 to a great degree, shes never left me stranded anywhere with 3,500+ miles currently. I surprisingly get a ton of questions most everywhere I go. Those that get to ride it are always surprised by how well it runs especially at that price point of 2K dollars to get started, Its my first bike. I figured if i wreck it -No big loss. I can buy 4 Brozz for the cost of a new Honda. What's also valuable is the knowledge i've gained tinkering and tuning it - a certain satisfaction.
1:30 KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas does make production Reallybikes, they are just limited production run and very expensive
And sadly the ktm group rally replicas are not USA street legal.
@@TroopThrowback why should they? They have to be Streetlegal in the country of the manufacturer (and they are) to be allowed to Drive in the Rally Dakar. Espacially who cares in the US (except california) that the Bike isnt Streetlegal?
@@MyNikmaster I’m not sure what you mean by your California comment, as USA homologation is not exclusive to California. There are plenty for whom a lack of US DOT certification is a registration issue in the USA. It’s not a large market, but even for those who can afford the bike it is a hurdle. American Dakar finisher Mo Hart mentioned just that fact in an interview on Chasing Waypoints Podcast, for a recent example.
@@MyNikmaster your comment also presupposes that Dakar entry is the only reason ktm group offers the rally replica for sale. Most of those rally replicas never get used in Dakar, but they certainly do see use in other rallies all over the world.
On another note, the lack of usa homologation is indeed a hindrance to their use in the only AMA sanctioned rally in the USA. It would be nice if that would change.
And all that said, I don’t think ktm group will ever consider paying the ridiculous fees for USA dot homologation, as I don’t see the 450RR as a profit motivated item in their catalog, and the numbers of units sold would make it a really poor investment anyway.
@@TroopThrowback i want to say with this, that a lot of states doesn't control street legality of vehicles. What i know is that California has some sort of mandatory inspection on vehicles, i dont know what other states laws are.
The US is not KTMs primary racing target Market so they dont care as much to complying in US racing classes.
Bro, you have a dream job! If Kove gets these DOT approved, I'm buying one. Great video, thank you!
Do you know if the gear oil is separated from engine oil ? Or there is a unique oil for both..thank you
i gotta have that in life! It will make a great ADV bike.
Nice review, thanks!
thanks for a great review .. this brand is moving in the right direction
Feels like a non-street legal version would have a tiny market.
In many states, you can register just about anything with horn and blinker.
@@BMacW650 And by the same token, many states will not allow vehicles to be registered for the road if they were not manufactured to be on the road.
@@Land-Shark that's not true. We can't plate most bikes with a police inspection. They check for headlights, horn, etc. Signs the form and the bike can be plated. Sorry if that's not the case where you live.
It's a growing market. People said the same about supermotos. I hear the maintenance intervals are better than the crf450l and that alone has got me interested. They might be trying to take advantage of this growing market as a way to establish themselves. They've also got no direct competition in this market. I think they're being smart.
This bike is street legal.. that's it!! Simply!!
No doupt!
"Develop success from failures. Discouragement and failure are two of the surest stepping stones to success." -Dale Carnegie
Few other reviews stating transmission problems as well. Three factory bikes making it across the line at Dakar doesn't mean these won't blow apart inside.
Also, I've heard they let this engine top out at 12k rpm. Not even the Jap bikes will hit that even with shorter stroke engines, so this sounds like a grenade waiting to happen.
Fantastic video! Terrific visuals and editing - I felt like was riding along and wanted more and more. Keep up the awesome job!
Really ?? Iv'e got 45 years experience with riding, and this guy sounds like he has six months.
Id like to test out one of these to see how much quality they really have. The trans having a problem isnt reassuring. I would however still like to take one out on local trails in the woods. That wod give it a proper test.
Just FYI you can disconnect the rear tank and use it to carry water instead of fuel. Really handy in australia!
This will destroy other middleweight adv bikes. A do it all😊
"Unloaded seat height of the race model and standard high model is just under 38 inches. The low seat model will be 2 inches less." Is what I saw on GPX website but they also list ground clearance 2" lower than stock so they must be lowering suspension for that model, not just a different seat.
You said 368 lbs but graphicin vid said 468 lbs. Maybe that was a typo and it really is under 400 lbs? Website says 320 lbs dry so maybe it is 368 wet?
I think that motor is pretty high compression. I wonder if they put low octane fuel in it? Maybe that's why it was knocking? I'd be most worried about the fuel injection on that bike, especially after the EPA testing. Still these Chinese bikes are getting better.
Gary from GPX said it takes low octane fuel when I asked him. Also, notice the turn signals on this one, this is the model they are intending to be street legal. But I know what you are saying with the EPA testing, who knows what they have to do with the fueling after the testing. Hopefully the ECU in this video is already built for the EPA testing like we’ve been told
this looks fun as hell riding in the desert
that looks good for sure
Street legal dual sport version later this year?
This one is the street legal version the 450 pro is the one that's not street legal and it cost 3 grand more
That $9k cost is BEFORE the dealer “costs” and doc fees. Still a very sweet ride overall. Need to do a short rider “5’5” -5’7” review 😎
Biggest down side is the lack of dealer support from these Chinese bikes.
Are you talking about Kove or Chinese motorcycles in general?
There are 71 GPX dealers in the US
@@austinbauman3818 none within several hundred miles of me, lol.
@@KREllis-vr1ixdamn that sucks haha I feel lucky to have one a town over from me thankfully
20 years in business supporting dealers and customers, this is nothing new.
9000.00 for a 450 china dual sport? I'll wait this one out.
$9k is a bit much for sure although it is unique in the marketplace for now.
$7k would be more realistic given its place of origin. GPX is in danger of pricing itself out of the market as it sits between the premium brands and Chinese brands which are half or less than a corresponding premium brand. GPX is around 60-75% of premium pricing.
@@sburns2421 it is almost the same as the bike which conqured the Dakar rally. 9k is a great deal for such motorcycle and it's components.
If you judge the bike by the country of origin, you miss a lot.
They are incredibly well build bikes with top components,and unique approach.
Conquered or finished?
@@sburns2421 finished, all3 without major troubles. Rally tower, one rim this I think were troubles.
@@sburns2421 You need to see the bike and know what it is, 9k is a bargain! This is not a under sprung underpowered bike, Watch the everide vid also.
Starting it and giving a little throttle like you do, confusing ignition on that bike. Start it without giving throttle input, and it fires without any hesitation.
Beautiful bike!
How wide are those forks? 32mm?
Actually 49mm
This bike has a fuel capacity almost as high as my toyota
Don't forget that in the top of the level there is a bike specialy made for customers tha want a bike Just for racing .. and it comes already preapared with a much better components as the roadbook tower etc.!! For Just a couple of grands more!!
CHINER!!! You guys are going to pass up on the bike that everyone has been asking for because of where its made when half the stuff in your house is made in CHINER!
More than half I’d wager.
What doesn’t make sense is America don’t make anything but there fast to criticise everyone else.
Nice video thanks! About that bike, I'm a bit biased because I'm not sure about the reliability and durability. I think nothing can be said for now, except that it's a nice bike, apparently with good components, but it's Chinese, and sometimes Chinese vehicles don't last long. However, I probably have to consider that Chinese vehicles are no longer those vehicles we used to know, and perhaps even more reliable than some Americans and Europeans. Let's see in the future. The price is too good to be true, but we know how hard Chinese people work (let's say they are obligated to), so they can offer a really competitive price. Is there any bikes we can compare this Kove to? The Ktm 450 Replica is not sold in the USA and costs three times the Kove, others? The only problem is that it is not street legal yet, and these very restricted laws (in Europe even more than in the USA, I reckon), linked to the idea of the environment (just an excuse though, for the purposes of the system), could sacrifice that engine.
So it weighs as much as a ktm 701 maybe a tad more. If money was no problem, why would you go for this rather then the huskey.
Because it is a purpose built rally bike,in most parts identical to the bikes,which succesfully finished the Dakar and Sonora rally. Drive one and compare it to the 701 and see for yourself
@@MERMBRAMA i dont think i ll ever have the chance to drive a Kove, i ll look into it. But i doubt that there will be dealers in my country to begin win.
@@jootai and where do you live if i may ask?
Not an apples to apples comparison to an iPhone which is engineered in the USA, made to Apple’s specifications
You forgot to say that it is already made in china too!!!😂
Very nice.
Looks street legal to me. CST tires have been around in the off road scene in Australia since the early 70s, for instance I ran them on my first series Honda Elsinore 125. Later on on my KLX 250 . They make Maxxis tyres for just about everything from bicycles to trucks. Love the bike, hate the commentary.
This is the unicorn. What else would someone want?
Yeah great vid mate! How would you feel if this were an American made bike copied by China instead of a European, Japanese or Indian bike? Would you be as enthusiastic?
That riding area is just begging for a big-bore two-stroke and paddle tire.
This could sell well
IMO things like the suspension and various running gear components, which have zero credibility in the marketplace, is where the Chinese bikes fail.
You could argue now that if you hate Chinese engines don't bother with many small BMW and KTM as they are built there. Perhaps the same with certain Triumph and Ducati models built in Thailand with largely Chinese parts. To me the engine is not a deal-breaker.
Ironically if a premium manufacturer released this bike, "assembled" somewhere other than China with KYB or Showa suspension and a few other name brands components it would probably sell like crazy even at $10k or $11k. Make an S or R version with exhaust and Ohlins for a bit more and it would outsell the base model.
Actually if you do a research you will see that kove500x has nissin brakes,kyb full adjustible suspension,akront wheels,bosch ecu and abs.
On 450 rally, brakes are also nissin,bosch ecu and yu-an suspension rally style, which is actualy on pair with showa. One of the few suspensions on the market, which doesn't need an upgrade from the stock.
@@MERMBRAMA we will have to see if the suspension is any good. I suspect it will be one of the weak links of the machine.
People buy a Kayo for example and ditch the FastAce suspension for something off a Japanese MX bike. This might be relatively straightforward but would probably be at least a few hundred bucks buying used. Somewhat mitigates the low price attractiveness of the bike in the first place.
If you make research you can see that those brands are making components also for Jap and Eu brands so, nothing new for them.
Weird that they didn't go with kyb when they used it in their 500x.
@@sburns2421 actually the suspension is one of the best things on kove 450 rally.
It is top of the yu-an shels, 49mm fully adjustible suspension with great bottoming resistance. If you look at the fork you will see similarities with showa 49, used in motocross.
If it is good for dakar racing it will be even better for us mortals.
Check the suspension action of 450 rally on videos...it is amazing
Kove bring it to Europe too.... please!
Already done😂
@@MERMBRAMA to Romania not yet, no need to be smug.
At first I was like "that ain't ADAMW..." Great review though
Weight dry is 320lbs. 8 gallons × ~ 6lbs per gallon = ~ 368lbs. So likely fat fingered the weight.
u aint paris dakar rider bro...
Not lite but its also carrying 4 gallons more than most bikes
I don't understand what the competition is. Idk much about motorcycles.
Isn't $9k a lot of money for a motorcycle?
I guess a Desert X is $17k
And a Tenere 700 $10-11?
oh it's not street legal.
AFAIK Chinese bikes have terrible resale value & support.
oh one of the transmissions died on the day of filming.
Well, GL to Kove. I guess competition is usually good for the consumer.
It seems more on par with a KLR and we know what those cost. And they have their legendary reliability.
Actually you can buy rally bike from big manufacturers , but it will cost you 35 000 - 40 000 $ !!!
This is the street legal version the "pro race" version is the one thats not street legal and it cost 3 grand more
Not a good showing, wouldn't start, low fuel and oil indicated and the transmission takes a dump.
Battery was dead on a brand new bike? That wouldn't be cool in the middle of the desert...
Its not the production battery.
These are the only two demos in the USA and they are pre-production bikes.
@@gpxmotousa4416 Its not the bikes fault the battery was flat!
At 5'7, the 960mm seat height is unusable for me. I am very interested in this though.
They have a lower seat model if you go to GPX’s site. That it’s narrow will also help. Dirt bikes are never going to have 32” seat height due to how they are used unfortunately.
I'm 1m65 ( 5'5" ) tall and I have raced many years with enduros as high as the Kove. It's just a technique to learn.
@@pabloricardodetarragon2649 i understand and wouldn't be worried if i were to use this solely for off-road use. I was thinking of this could be an all purpose adv and manoeuvering that through traffic might be hard, specially in India.
@@Whatreally123 I understand. There is a lower seat version with shorter rear suspension.
Where are all the dealers then? China can make anything look the same as non Chinese products due to their non compliance and snubbing of intellectual property, copyright and trademark laws. But HONESTLY, can you name 1 great Chinese mechanical product when compared to the major existing brands? Look at Formula 1, look at Moto GP, look at World Rally, look at indy, look at any sports and touring cars series. The list goes on and on and on……I agree that prices for the major brands are mostly unjustifiably inflated, but until there are QUALITY and PROVEN competitors, nothing is going to change.
Maybe we'll see the Japanese & Austrians etc copying from the Chinese. Wouldn't that be a kicker!
It sounds like Koved. 😅
Needs a bigger fuel tank..
The street legal version I mean..
@@1971puffy both have 31l
@@MERMBRAMA you’re right.. the website I saw had a misprint.. 3.1 gallons as opposed to 31 liters. Makes a lot more sense
Yeah!
8 gallons in all models.
Hey noticed a-lot of amateurish things about the cinematography (rocking back and forth over and over) of this shoot. If you’re seeking one and are in the Las Vegas area- let me know. 🎥
I bet that bike spies on you
Your phone spies on you -the bike not so much.
the...slow....talking...is....really....annoying...........really
38" seat height combined with 468 lbs might put a lot of people off but still a cool bike especially for the money.
You also have a low version which is 2 inch lower
It is 320lbs dry..and seat hight can also be 2 inch lower in the low version
Its about 380 lbs fully fueled with 8 gallons of gas
its 320 lbs, and the seat height is just like any other 450 on the market.
368, not 468.
聞いたこともない中華バイク。少なくとも日本と欧米では全く売れないだろう。
China quality😂 Nobody buy it not only in US and EU but also in Japan.
Japanese manufactures started in the same way. These Kove motorcycles ( and 2 or 3 Other Chinese brands ) are already matching Japanese bulid quality. The only difference here is the price,which is about 30% cheaper than Japanese manufacturers.
See and try kove bikes,and try to find a weak spot,and lack of build quality.
You will be very surprised,if you put your negative opinion about the origine aside
Importers are signing on worldwide because they KNOW what this bike IS, It WILL have worldwide support and following, mass production is just starting and most of the importers worldwide will start to get bikes later this summer.
Well, Benelli is selling well in Europe.
And I can see a lot of Chinese motorcycles brands in European street today, like CFMoto, VOGE, and many sub-brands of Qjmotor.
You can't see them in Japan and the us is because they are not free market, they put a lot of tariffs on Chinese products.
I'd suggest a script, camera person to hold the camera (even if it's a phone), and public speaking classes. This video is basically unwatchable and listening to this guy stumble over his words trying to wing it is... cruel and unusual punishment. Motorcyclist Magazine, you are in violation of he 8th amendment.
I'll stick with my 701 Husqvarna. Tested and proven.
Made in India tho
Kove coming in at 320 pounds, your Husky looks even better.
Kove 450 rally tested and prover in period of 3 years, including Dakar and Sonora...without issues...just like 701 right?
@@MERMBRAMA They no longer race the 950 and never did race the 701 in Rallys did they ?
With a tried and tested crappy gearbox.
10k starting, Chinese owned & built, lack of dealers, and not street legal?! 😂
9000 usd, well built and incredibly good components, over 50 dealers just in the usa,not to mention other world, and this tested versions were not street legal. The other will be street legal.
@@MERMBRAMA It started to stumble in the review, and sounded off towards the end. Not to mention showing low fuel and low oil. No one even checked it, they just said “send it”
It’s not street legal as of now, and that’s what matters.
Not true
@@sarahdell4042 low oil light? Are you sure? I can tell you it is not possible..as far as low fuel light goes, i am sure this bike has a big fuel reserve, so nothimg wrong with riding a lighter bike in the sand.
@@MERMBRAMA 16:41 he says low fuel & low oil light are on.
Buying a motorcycle produced in a single party fascist state that is expected to invade Taiwan in the next few years seems like a really bad idea no matter how good of a deal it may be.
Waheed tests Wuhan's latest offering, the Koved-23, two wheeled variant. The bike features an N-95 air filter.
What does that have to do with the bike's engineering? How about every product from USA is associated with the raping of Iraqi's in Abu Ghraib prison?
Lost me at "Made in China"......
Don't generalise so much. There's high quality to be found in China if you know where to look.
3/4 of the shit you own is made in china.
American dreams are made in china 😂😂😂
Like the phone you're typing that comment on...
So does that remain the same for all name brand bike parts that are made in China also on your honda, ktm bmw, ford, chevy, etc, etc..etc... ? Just curious. Country of origin doesn't not determine quality. We live in a world economy.
Let me guess, sold exclusively at Walmart.
This model made a breakthroug in Dakar rally 2023.
All 3 bike first time at Dakar, with 3 riders also firs timers.
All made at through the finish without mechanical problems, first rider Sunier elwas 9th in his class.
Something like that has never happend im 44 years of Dakar history.
I wonder if you could buy such a product at wallmart
@@MERMBRAMA The bike didn't even crank for the professional reviewer while on a review session video, lol. Not only that, there were "phantom?" low oil and low fuel lights during the demo.
@@KREllis-vr1ix you are funny....trying so hard to prove it is a bad Chinese piece of crap.
The bike didn't crank? Seriously? Because of the dead battery? Because someone drained the battery dead? Yes yes...chinese crap.. do you know what are the phantom lights up there on the display? Maybe they are not phantom..
Just continue and try to prove it is a bad bike...it must be yes? It is made in China! It can't be any good.
You are living in the past,ignoring everething new,especialy from China.
@@KREllis-vr1ix The "low oil" is a translation error that is being fixed on the production bikes China call "fuel" oil" the low oil light was for low fuel, The production bikes will be corrected to show "low fuel" NOT oil. Again these are pro-production bikes and the translation will be corrected for production.
Actually know, Walmart does not offer Dakar bikes but you may be able to find a nice e bike!
I'll stick with my KTM thank you!!
when it becomes street legal price will go up
One lasted at least for a Day…Pretty good for a Chinese Bike..😂
Every one finished the Dakar Rally.
3 bikes entered and 3 bikes finished with no mechanical penalties in the hardest Dakar Rally in modern memory. NO factory has done this in their first year at a Dakar, ever.