We sell both ajp and kove...i drove both 450 rally and pr7. 450 rally is lighter,lower cog,much less vibration,better build quality,better suspension and price. In offriad, feels slcloser to a big bore hard enduro bike,than an adventure bike. And in the same time,very good.road manners. Pr7 has more torque and power from.the bottom, but more vibrarion and. And has better seat
@@MERMBRAMA just seen your comment re the Kove... V interesting to see. Can you put a number on top comfortable cruising speed for highway travel (getting a 2 b without feeling totally wasted)... Thank you!
Forgot to mention that I like the price of the Kove, but I’m not really sure if it’s actually cheap, or just cheap in comparison to the crazy expensive KTM dakar bikes?
Actually the Kove is not so cheap. We have seen the dollar prices, but they add a lot of charges on top after purchase. The T7 costs $10,799 in the US so you should compare that. The Swedish reseller of Kove sells it for 140K SEK in Sweden. Pretty much same as PR7. I would go PR7 before Kove also :)
Thanks for the info, Rob! Hmm, a Kove or a T7, that's tough. I also wonder if 140k SEK is cheap for a rally bike, or is the price of a rally bike hyper inflated because of the Austrians?
Price is on par with the competition but when I looked closer at the Kove the only up-side is large tanks. The PR7 wins the rest for me. Maintenace intervalls and power specially.@@JohannesDalenMC
Hi Johannes, thanks for all the videos you've uploaded! It's truly fantastic to find people on TH-cam who share similar interests and are just as excited for spring to arrive so we can hop on our enduro bikes and hit the trails. Your PR7 looks absolutely stunning. I'm eagerly waiting at the starting line to kick off the riding season on my new H701. All the best!
Hi Jakub! Amazing to hear, it is what I want for this channel, to gather like-minded people, discuss bikes, share stories and inspire each other to live life to the fullest! Enjoy your 701, it's a great motorcycle that will put a smile on your face regardless if it's off or on road. All the best to you too!
Takk! Så utrolig gøy, du kommer til å stortrives. Vil svært gjerne høre mer om turen når du er tilbake igjen. Portugal er fantastisk, det samme er Diogo - kos deg!
Had 2 PR7, different years. Tablet went mental in the rain, died after a wash. Engine wouldn't start in the winter before battery flat. Forward facing air intake sucks water into proprietary air filter. Fuel cap sticks and drops mud into tank. Sticky fuel level sensor. Unadjustable headlights point into sky. Exhaust flattens on first bump. Rear brake lever sits on exhaust. Can't adjust spring preload without removing tank. Rectifier under water during river crossings. Rotten wiring, broken wires in loom. Endless design flaws. Should be a brilliant bike on paper, sold both.
@@oliveralexsmith first one was a well used 2017 then an almost new 2021 came up with less miles and new engine management system. Ran both side by side to determine which I preferred, both had their frustrations. Ended up selling both. Thankfully kept the crf250 in a lockup to fall back on. My comments are just a few of many genuine observations, not copied or pasted 👍
@@R0ger007 Thanks for the honest user feedback. A breath of fresh air compared to other users who feel the need to "defend" their purchase of a mediocre or faulty product.
Great video. I agree 100%. Top 2 considerations in an ADV bike are 1. Weight (lightweight) and 2. Suspension. Looking forward to seeing more of the AJP. Keep up the good work.
Another great video, thanks. Can believe you're on an ajp now. My 2nd adv bike was a tenere , which had to go to make way for a 701, and now I am considering an ajp. It's like you've tailored your content specifically to my needs. Thanks a lot for that.
I have an AJP PR7 in Australia, also a 690, 640 adventure, DRZ400, 640E and an 890 Adventure R I enjoy the PR7 the most. Nice power, good suspension, comfortable.
Wow that's quite the garage! Happy to hear you're enjoying the PR7, I'm having a blast on mine too. Recently rode a 790 adv r though, incredible machine, can imagine you're enjoying your 890!
Hi.., that is what I call a collection 🥳 Please do a swift comparesment It would be very interesting to have your thoughts. Take care from the Czech Republic
I bought a PR7. It is my favorite bike I have ever owned. The build quality is superb. The ZF Sachs suspension is very good. It will get better as I tune the settings. It handles like a much lighter bike. The PR7 is as close to the perfect adv bike that has ever been produced. I did a lot of research and took a gamble. I own one of the few PR7'S in the US. The "off-road competition only" tune on the US model absolutely rips. I plan on removing the graphics from my PR7 as well. I haven't decided if I will replace them with a custom wrap (I have a friend who does that) or if I will leave it plain white.
Amazing video, I'm the same and have a T7, but i want to change to the 450 rally as soon as i get home. I am currently travelling in latin america, 12,500 miles of Argentina has shown me one thing. While the T7 continues to be amazing and surprises me continually- i want less weight and more fuel! And i rarely go above 70mph out here either. The Kove ticks all the boxes!
That sounds like an amazing trip! I'm currently re-reading Sam Manicoms travel books and he just left Argentina for Chile - funny coincidence. I get what you are saying, especially when rarely going fast, why have all the extra weight and power? Enjoy an Argentinean stake for me too please! and safe travels Jake 🙂
@JohannesDalen I'm loving it all so far! Except when I hit a llama at 50mph last week, maybe 😅 but all good! I haven't read Sam Manicorn, but Ted Simon and Elspeth Beard were both fascinating reads! But I'm often left feeling I have more bike than I need - especially when the locals all travel on 250cc bikes meant for the road, and they're taken to some mad places!
I owned the Husqvarna TE630. It was an excellent and very capable adventure bike. It only lacked a Cush drive hub for extended road riding. It also proved to be very reliable.
Great video - I was battling partly with the same dilemma as I wanted something more focused (lighter, more agile) than my previous 890R. Ended up ordering a new PR7 yesterday, delivery time here in Portugal is 2 months. "Portuguese stallion", I am going to steal that ;)
Hey man, congrats on the new PR7, that's awesome! Perhaps we'll meet on the trails in Portugal sometime, I'm planning on trailering my bike down for the next tour with Diogo (Offroad offcourse). Did you sell the 890r or keeping it?
This will unfortunately take place in october. I'd love to meet up and go for a spin and some port together. Perhaps another time my friend. In June I'll be riding in the Balkans on this very PR7!
The only DRs I've seen available here in Norway are 20+ years old with 50k km's on the counter - If I came across a newer one I'd be tempted. Haven't ridden one, but it looks to be quite small and would need many parts to be comfy for a tall person - can you confirm?
I own a DR 650 for 20 years now. It has 50 k on the clock now and had no technical issues all the years. Very comfortable for my 2 meters. I only changed the seat.
Sold the 890R with tears on my eyes.. last year I did Les-a-les off-road, saw some PR7s there and got interested. Definitely see you on the trails here! I’m in south but it’s a small country..;)
am in the same boat as you, ever since the pr7 was announced i was always tempted by it, however after lurking in AJP fb groups, i get the feeling that it has alot of QC issues
Haha, awesome. Same reason for me. I am half portuguese and thats reason enough to not getting it out of my head since i heard about it maybe a year ago. Getting it soon. A PT designed and built bike is just great, next to the big brand players. Grateful for every video and expierence you are posting. Maybe seeing you on the PT TET one day.
Really like my Kove 450. It starts right up and it is very nimble. I looked hard at the PR7 , put down a deposit on one, but decided against it after sitting on it at the dealer. My heart didn't leap up and I walked away from it. I think these are very comparable bikes - good components and plenty of suspension. Both are relatively easy to work on, and both are much lighter than my Tuareg 660, which was a wonderful bike. You made the right choose if the PR7 brings you joy.
The PR7 just feels old and dated, it’s more of a slightly more modern DR650 or rather a CCM644. Haven’t ridden the Kove but it’s been benchmarked against the best rally bike in the world so if it’s 4/5ths of a 450RFR then it’s a winner.
dealer support would be paramount to me. I had to ship my PR7 about 800 miles (one way) to get something done on it. Not that it's super hard to work on, but dealer support is super nice to have. I'm not sure the PR7 and the Kove are all that similar, i bet they ride quite differently. just a hunch. I did like having a unique/portuguese bike. Heck, if it wasn't for my interest in the PR7, i'd never have found Diogo's channel, lol
This girl had issues with the PR7 in South America, didnt get much help and had to ship it back, cost a fortune and ruined the trip...I think her channel is called Improbablyadventuring
I have the same world map on my wall. haha. I remember being very interested in the PR7 about 2 years ago, but it's difficult and impractical to get one in the US. The Kove ended up being much easier for me to get, so that's what I got. So far I love it. Hopefully have my first vid on it up this weekend on my other channel. It's taken me awhile to learn how to make this kind of video haha.
Every time I look at it I get inspired! Happy to hear you're enjoying the Kove, please let me know when the video is up. Creating videos is a skill, you'll get the hang of it quickly!
I fully understand and share your enthusiasm about this bike. Have been wetting my panties at every new video about it on YT ever since the initial “unicorn video” by Diogo. Greg Vilalobos made some few really well taken ones! Unfortunatelly, cash is tight and the existing bikes in my garage too dear to my heat for a trade-in. But one day I’ll join the legion of PR7s, mark my words! Fun fact: I got married in the church ruins that are about 1km away from the aviation bombing observation tower hill that you were riding up at 5:05. Good rides!
The PR7 is a good choice in my opinion, if I was 30 years younger I would have one in my garage, I love the concept of the bike. As for the Kove I can see the merit of the bike but it is, to me anyway a little more focused towards a rally bike, if my main focus was riding in the outback and crossing deserts like the Simpson it would be great, the PR7 is probably a better all rounder. Adventure bikes and riding covers such a wide spectrum that the unicorn will always remain a myth, one bike will never do it all, manufacturers do a lot of research into which bikes will pay them back for their investment, making bikes for a small segment of the market is not worth the cost. The PR7 and Kove are built by small companies owned by ex racers who wanted to build a bike for them, they are passionate about the bike, big companies prefer to sell to the masses, hence more cautious with the design to a degree. A KTM 690 rally would be cool but the expense would be prohibitive for many, I would take a guess that most riders buy a 690/701 for the power alone, not the practicality of the bike, it’s what you may call dick swinging. 😂😂😂 The DR650 is the unicorn bike, part of the reason it lasted 25+ years unchanged. 😂😂😂😂😂
The two sentences in the middle there is what I say to everyone who says "the market screams for a lightweight twin at 500cc, 140kg, 21/18 wheels and long service intervals". No it doesn't - it may sound like that in the YT comment sections, but the big manufacturers do their homework and knows what will sell. This was completely cemented in my brain when I checked the sales numbers of the GS compared to other bikes. Hope all is well down under mate!
Great video. Totally agree on the PR7 over the Kove 450. For me the pr7 is the evolution of the excellent husky te610. I have a 701 and a 890 adv r but think that I’ll add a PR7 to replace them both when I move to Portugal this Spring. I really love my 701 engine but find that susp too harsh. Same for the 890. I miss the plushness of the fe350. Enjoy the PR7, excellent and wise choice. Paulo
Thank you Paulo! If you're moving to Portugal, you just have to get yourself a PR7. Based on my somewhat limited experience with it, it sits right in between the 701 and 890. Closer to the 701, but it's a more relaxed ride capable of covering distance as well. Engine not as crazy as the 701, but more tractable and gentle. I will eventually make a 701 vs pr7 once I have enough experience with the new Portuguese stallion. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video, I never even heard of the PR before this. Interesting. Of course we will never see it here in the States, much like the Kove, but nice to see. We can barely find a T7.
And thanks for watching! If my little knowledge about this is correct, I don't think the PR7 is registrable in most states - it doesn't have abs either. I will continue to cover my ownership with this elusive Portuguese stallion on this channel, so stay tuned!
Definitely a video I will make after I get some more seat time with the PR7. I also want to ride the 701 again as I've progressed as a rider since owning one, so the comparison is as fair as possible. After a few short rides on the PR7 I've already discovered that it does a few things the 701 didn't. Stay tuned my friend, it will come :)
I agree that both of these bikes are very interesting. I think that the PR7 absolutely makes sense, especially if you live in Europe. I wonder if it'd be different if you were in the US. As far as I'm aware there are very few PR7s in the US and I bet the part support is not as good. There might even be more Koves now in the US than PR7s. Of course the Kove also doesn't have an impressive dealer/parts backing here either. I could totally be wrong though, the PR7 is certainly very rare here so I don't know as much about it.
So you think the PR7 makes more sense if you have to cover a bit of tar in between the trails, and the Kove if you live closer? If so, I fully agree. A Kove/rally bike sounds a bit too focused for the riding we do here in Europe, especially in the north.
Thanks for including the 1handed t7 lift!💪🏿 And since when is this not a fashion channel, I partly watch this channel to see your moms knitting results 🧣🧶
I have to cling on to that lift as hard as I can, I have barely touched a weight since then and would definitely be defeated by the T7 now.. Hehe, that's great. I'm slowly getting rid of all my sweaters and replacing them by moms knitted ones!
Sure did, tried everything from fully hard to fully soft. The shock was good, really good, but I struggled with the forks. If I recall correctly you had the CC version, and I had the OC version. I'm aware of a few forum threads where people have reported that recommended spring rates from RR has been too stiff, I also believe RR themselves went out and changed the recommendations as well. My theory is that it's a combination of too much damping and limited amount of travel, since the sag was correct. Thank you Llel, means incredibly much to get that from one of my main inspirations!
Interesting video, thank you Johannes. You've made a good choice in my opinion but I can't help wondering which one your son would choose if you showed him a photo of both side by side... I see you are working out hard, looking at the calluses on your hand, but more interestingly I've noticed, through your unusual camera angles, the huge void in the swingarm between the tyre and the swingarm pivot. What an intriguing design! Best wishes from the UK 🙃
The calluses are there from my powerlifting days, I'm barely touching any weights these days.. Regarding the swingarm, good eye Keith, I think that design is really cool too. It's made in house by AJP and I've often wondered how much weight they were able to save. All the best my friend!
Hi there, let me ask you. Have you considered Husqvarna 701 or 690? More power, better suspension, longr range, easier to modify and the list goes on...
I have 4 KTMs, they don't have longer range and the 690 Enduro has 9.8" of travel where the PR7 has 11.8", The PR7 comes with a rally tower and 7" tablet from the factory along with several other things that cost extra on the KTMs. By the time you add a tower and other pieces the KTM 690 cost more and weighs more.
hey Johannes😎 I would also choose the PR7. simply because the Kove bike still has to prove itself. In my opinion it is very trendy right now because it is comparatively cheap. However, a long-term comparison to similar bikes is still missing. That's why (and also because of the great looks of the PR7) I would choose the same bike as you did. 😊
Summarized what I couldn't say in a ten min video with one sentence - good work 😆 Especially with the Kove still needing to prove itself, although it's getting there!
I'm with you regarding the reason. I really like the Kove, but the AJP just feels more. Just more, can't put exact words on what more. Just more 😁 I'd love to own one but have to manage with the WR250R for now
Hehe, reassuring that I'm not the only one who struggles to explain exactly why! The wr250r is a legendary bike and it does almost everything the PR7 does at half the price - enjoy it 🙂
@@JohannesDalenMC The biggest issue with not being able to explain it is trying to convince the wife that expects explanations, haha 😅 The WR250R is really amazing. Sometimes I do miss a bit more power but not that often that I'd thought I would. The biggest issue is that it isn't an "expensive" bike and spending something like more than half the bikes worth on the suspension, can be hard to justify. Both for myself and the missus. But with my 196cm and 96kg without gear, I definitely should..
@@TGITroberg I currently have both bikes (PR7 and WR250R) in my garage. Next week I'm selling the PR7. It is by far the most exciting bike I've ever owned, and might end up buying another one one day again. But for now I want to try a light bike (Beta 390) and a dedicated dual sport/adv bike (tbd). The WRR ain't going nowhere. 😊
@@TGITrobergThe wife is easy. Ask her when was the last lime she wore the red shoes, the ones you know she bought and never wore. Then ask her of the twenty purses she has, how many has she used for the last 6 months. Ask her if she remembers ever dressing sexy for you. Ask her when was the last time she cooked that delicious dish you like so much. Finally ask her how much she paid, from her money, for the utility bills last month. Who has the newest shiniest car, you or her? Or you can just dress up your big boy pants, buy the motorcycle you want, and tell her to shut up when she starts nagging you.
That engine isn't from China. It's made in Italy in the old Husqvarna factory that got abandoned when KTM bought the Husqvarna name and decided to just stick white plastic on KTMs and call them Husqvarnas. It's basically the old 2010 TE 630 motor, which is no bad thing.
Jeg er et par og nitti selv, så langt fornøyd med ergonomien. Fothvilerne er noe høye i ramma, men det igjen er jo ålreit når stien blir grisete. Det er kun én forhandler her til lands, Motortrans på vestlandet. Jeg kommer til å gjøre alt av vedlikehold og rep selv. Føler at det er slik AJP vil ha det, alt er tilrettelagt for å gjøre det selv, hele sykkelen er som en pakke med lego - alt passer, er tilgjengelig, enkelt satt sammen osv. Hvis du kan vente et års tid så skal jeg gjøre en så god jobb jeg kan som prøvekanin for deg før du bestemmer deg :)
As a similar sized rider to yourself I'd rather have a de-tuned 600 over a de-tuned 450 for the street portions of a ride. Plenty of jam to pass safely on the hills, guessing 40+ at the wheel? Off road the de-tuned 450 would be plenty. Sadly neither bike has a passenger peg option for the rare occasion.
Agree with you Mike, PR7 wins it on the road. Not 100% sure about this, but if the bike is only registered for one, they can get away without having ABS at all.
In Austria you can´t licence the PR7 with full power. You can only register it legally with 28 HP. Is it the same for you in Norway? Do you ride it with the restricted HP? The Kove fullfils the new Euronorm and can be ridden with 51 HP which makes it way more attractive
Only 28hp? That's heavily de-tuned. Mine is "corked" at 48hp. If you get the race tune with full Doma exhaust it'll have around 60hp. 48 is adequate but 28 hp from a 600cc engine sounds extremely low!
@@JohannesDalenMC Just double-checked: To fulfill the Euro 4 norm it has to be restricted to 28 hp, because of the exhaust fumes. It´s the same for the EXC450(18,3hp) and EXC500(14,5hp). It´s not like we (EU residents) don´t want to ride these bikes, but we don´t want to ride them illegally in case of an insurance issue/accident. That´s why there is way more hype about the KOVE 450 because you can get it legally with 42 hp
Hi Johannes, my favorite between this Bikes are definitly the PR7. Only the too low mounted Exhaust on the PR7 is a bummer. (You know my Opinion`s and my own Bike...)... Greg Villalobos owned in the past a PR7 ... The Sachs is a german Brand - but Chinese build. Pay Attention for Names - today it`s very hard. Best Regards, Alfred
Thanks Johannes. It’s the ‘excitingness’ of the AJP for sure! 😂 seriously, as other here have mentioned, the AJP has had time to prove itself, the Kove has not. For me it’s that simple.
Longer suspensiontravel is great, but not when its dives if you break hard or jump. Think the Kove will not be huge succsess in Scandinavia. Just becurse it short oil and filter intervals. Oil, oilfilter change every 2000km and valvescheck. That would be to much garagetime that you could have on the tracks instead. Perfect to do rally now and then, but not for an adventure..
Definitely agree regarding the suspension. Long travel will also result in wallowing when riding on the road. Interesting thoughts on the Kove - we do have a lot of tarmac to cover here in Scandinavia to get to the trails.
My Kove hardly wallows on the road, though I have not tried it loaded with luggage yet. My KLX 300, now that bikes wallows everywhere, even with no luggage and even with less clearance.
Almost everything we buy in the US is made in China but can still buy land, houses, food, trucks, guns and bikes made in some other country so I do. 4 KTMs in the cave and 1 Harley only because several of my friends ride Harleys.
The PR7 would definetly be the bike I want between these two. I saw a PR7 in the Alps this year and the guy was hauling on it and it looked really fun. From the videos I have seen the Kove seems quite slow actually and has to be revved way high to get some power. I think it's lacking in the engine department, at least for European ADV conditions. Same reason why I probably wouldn't want a CRF 300 and similar. Even my T7 is starting to feel slow after a few years of riding it. (On he road, obviously) It feels to me like a big part of the ADV community forgot that bikes should actually be fun to ride and """reliability""" is becoming the the be-all end-all argument for how a bike is judged. (Which goes hand in hand with European brand bashing 😆)
Good point regarding reliability vs fun - it's something I've been wanting to discuss for some time, but I've never figured how to approach it. It's not necessarily a Japan vs Euro-bikes discussion, but rather how some people seem to think reliability is more important than what the bike actually makes you feel. I guess the best way to get both is to have two bikes: one fun euro (PR7) and one ultra reliable bike from Japan (mystery bike) 😉
Just back from 700km(320km on dirt) 4 day ride.2 x koves on trip.I have off road experience. The 2x Koves go as fast as you could reasonably go on an adventure trip with luggage. IMHO the PR7 is a better bike off road and closer to an enduro bike but stick 25kg on the rear and its out of balance.... If you put 25kg+ of luggage on any enduro bike,it wont handle like an enduro bike anymore,not really. loaded with luggage will always be loaded with luggage.
Not ridden Kove., looks a good package…. On my 2nd PR7 now, can’t find a better all round Adv bike… preforms well on and off road.. can cope with hard technical terrain and is more comfortable than any bike in its class. It’s very easy mechanically to work on compared with competition… it’s MY Unicorn bike…👍🏴
@@JohannesDalenMC 1st PR7 after I done the well posted up grades..ecu, fuel filters etc bike ran well Decided to buy the 2022 model with the factory up grades.. ecu, electric relays etc made bike more reliable and enjoyable to ride… fresh metal & suspension👍🏴😂
That has to be the ultimate compliment to this bike! I'm loving mine too, can't wait to ride it down in southern Europe later this summer, and on the enduro track!
Both fantastic (and exotic) bikes, certainly. Same situation for me: no importer nor dealer in Germany so far. But the Kove would be a year's riding cheaper than the torquier AJP. I'm still thinking about something lighter than these two, let's say a suspension-pimped up Honda CRF 300 L. She's about 20 kg lighter (145-165 kg), easier to pick up on gnarly solo rides. I'm not 25 anymore ;-) Günter/Nürnberg
I've too been thinking about getting a used 300L and throwing Rally Raid suspension on it, see how capable I could get. Issue is I'd quickly end up paying pretty close to what I paid for the PR7, that already comes "race ready". Another issue for me is the size of the 300L, it's quite small. Also, you don't need RR suspension for the 300L, you'd be fine with cheaper suspension - I rode a YSS upgraded 250L in Portugal and I found it excellent! Let me know what you end up doing Gunter. Have a great weekend!
@@JohannesDalenMC Thanks, Johannes. Prives in Germany are different. A Honda CRF 300 L with Rally Raid or the best YSS suspension and a few offroad extras will cost about 8,500 Euro in Germany. A Kove 450 Rally imported from Slovenia not much more. The AJP comes to about 11,500 Euro stock. Cheers, Günter/Nürnberg
I'm in. I too, are interest to know more about this bike. How it's preform as a road bike, for the daily duties. The 690 doesn't have strong enough subframe... How it's compare to the dr650, how rugged it is... So I'm in... Following Good luck 👍
Interesting. I believe the Kove guys put a lot of effort into marketing and publicity with Dakar coverage and tons of vids. Non of this can be seen for AJP. Also their bike being 600cc will not be able to enter any of the rallies. Major attribute for me not to buy the Kove would be the fact that it is Chinese. While many other OEMs actually also have their stuff produced in China, clearly I‘d rather go with something assembled in Portugal (or anywhere in Europe). I wonder whether you considered the Fantic XEF 450 Rally. Japanese technology (and hopefully reliability) mixed with Italian emotions sounds like a great recipe to me. This would probably be my top choice, albeit more pricey.
It does feel like AJP doesn't care too much about their marketing, in my experience. They sell every bike they produce pretty much, so why bother I guess. It feels like they could do more, they have an excellent bike that people seem interested in. I could be completely wrong though, this is just how it looks to me. I've seen the Fantic 450 rally once in person, sweet bike, absolutely. Interesting components as well, it's pretty much a Yamaha in different colors, isn't it? I've never seen or heard much about it being for sale here in Norway. Did it compete in this years Dakar, do you know?
@@JohannesDalenMC I believe there were a few teams running the Fantic rally bikes in Dakar, but without outstanding results and apparently without much coverage in media. But they do show up in results tables.
@@istra70I have read in the meanwhile that the Kove engine is based on the Zongshen engine that is also being g used in the Fantic Cabalero. However, I am not sure they are all clones of the Yamaha engines used in the XEF bikes. This may be a totally different engine er may be not. I do not know.
So, you only added the Kove in your title to attract viewers hmm, like clickbait? Well, it worked for me, I watched it.... only to discover you never even contemplated getting the Kove - which is not even available to you! - because you like the old mishmashed heap better based on looks, plus it is assembled-only(!) in Portugal??? Goodluck to you, the Kove is in a different league altogether - which you will find out over time and then perhaps will get the 2nd gen. By then you'll also find out that your prized "Portuguese" possession will have depreciated a lot, another lurking unpleasant surprise...
Not really sure why people are going gaga over a chinese 450cc bike with a dry weight that is more than the wet weight of a certain 400cc suzuki.Granted, the suzuki needs ergo mods, but gets ~150 miles to the stock tank if the bike wasn't butchered with that idiotic 3x3 mod. For suspension, remove low compression shims(lsc) before the crossover to get the plushness you wish. For the aforementioned suzuki, it comes stock with 6 lsc shims per fork, racetech specs 9. Got tired of getting jackhammered and am now running 3lsc shims per fork.
but that old engine has its huge advantages. for one - it's very easy to work on. you've got an easy access to oil strainers, valve clearance adjustment doesn't involve removing anything more than the cam cover, the oil pump is easily replaceable and it's a separate unit, not part of any engine cover or case. it's got its flaws (ie. intake cam bearing can fail prematurely) but believe you me, I've worked on two of those units so far, I've got an SWM with this engine and I really like it. it's quite durable too. genuine SWM parts are fairly priced, normally about half the price of what Husky charged.
@@fcalin21 I haven't got any comparison unfortunately. SWM sm650 is my very first single cylinder bike, I've owned it for three years and not planning on changing it. it's 2018 and cost me half of the price of the KTM 690 of the same year at the time of the purchase so obviously it can't be as sophisticated 😉
Como não podia deixar de ser, o teu pai, ou mãe, português não ensinou o filho a falar português. Conheço bastantes portugueses que emigraram, e quase todos parece que têm vergonha de Portugal, raros são os que ensinam os filhos a língua materna. E quando cá chegam, vindos de onde quer que seja que emigraram, lá fora é que é bom, Portugal é uma merda, mas não contam as dificuldades que encontraram no pais para onde foram. Podes trazer essa PR7 de regresso a casa, rumas ao Alentejo onde há muitas criações de "porco preto" 😁, comes umas febras grelhadas ou umas sandes de presunto, e de sobremesa há coisas melhores que "doce da casa". Trilhos onde podes esticar o motor também não faltam. Agora arranja maneira de entender estas "dez palavras". 😉
Hehe, eu descobri! Não, você está dizendo alguma coisa aí, não parece que todos os portugueses tenham orgulho do seu país. O Diogo é, e todos os outros portugueses que são, eu entendo bem. Vocês são um povo maravilhoso, que em comparação com muitos outros países europeus ganham mal e têm menos, mas a minha impressão de vocês é que estão felizes e gratos pelo que têm. Aqui na Noruega temos muito dinheiro e não somos gratos por nada!
@@JohannesDalenMC I recognise the Google translate. Google only understands Brazilian... not Portuguese. You're mistaken, there are great people here yes, as a nation, Portuguese people are POS. Most people here live above their means, showing off is everything. The fakebook lifestyle. What you probably meaning is the weather, that affects people's moods, we have sun all year round, Norway has... Cold and ice. If you find a Portuguese and he/she is not moaning about something, call a doctor. He/she is suffering from some disorder.
@@JohannesDalenMC oh no. Pootube deleted my reply to you. Ok, again. You using Google translate. You replied in Brazilian, not Portuguese. Google doesn't recognise Portuguese as an identity... Some Portuguese persons are great, Portuguese people as a whole... Great land, sh**ty people. Let's see if Susan is happy with this comment.
@@JohannesDalenMC Susan keeps deleting my reply to you. You've used the Google translator, which doesn't know Portuguese exists, it only uses Brazilian, which IS NOT THE SAME LANGUAGE. You'll find great persons here, the people as a whole... POS.
Tnx for not trying to explain the reasoning for why you bought it. There is not any motorcycle purchase that can be explained with reason. It's not reasonable to buy or ride any motorcycle. We buy and ride them because they are fun, simple as that. And they stir different emotions and feelings, that is not necessary to explain in any way. Motorcyclists buy and sell bikes all the time, we tend to be bit promiscuous. Why? Well we probably want to have a different kind of fun, or a different feeling.
If you are purchasing a motorcycle for competition purposes I’d have to disagree. It is most certainly reasonable to purchase a motorcycle with the intent to increase ones source of income, and or develop ones career. Under these circumstances, which have been very prevalent for many years now, your theory can be tossed.
You touch on a very interesting topic here, sir. I fully agree with you, us motorcyclists tend to be very promiscuous (excellent word to describe it). Up until this point all the bikes I've bought, PR7 included, has been mainly because of lust, the feeling of something new - novelty is a strong thing. The "mystery" bike I've been hinting about is actually a bike I've bought because of needs, it's not a very exciting bike, but it will do 90% of what I need in a motorcycle, like commuting and two-up riding. It will be interesting to see what you guys think of it when I show it to you!
@@airadaimagery692 well yeah, I was thinking about the leisure/ hobby part of motorcycle riding. Surly if you are a competitor or mototaxi driver, delivery guy or similar. A different approach is needed.
The problem of all that bikes is: they are NOT streetlegal with unrestricted engine power in Europe and could bring you into real big trouble if you cause an accident because your insureance won't pay any money.
@@JohannesDalenMC Damn it!! I just wrote you paragraphs of info, I moved my mouse and its gone, WTF?? I'm not writing that all again sorry. You'll have to make do with "with Chinese bikes, you get what you pay for" ..... I've owned two and they cost me way more in time, aggravation and dollars than I saved by paying less for them up front. Don't be fooled by the hype.
The problem of the AJP and the engine from Shineray/SWM is that there is no network and clearly 0 marketing. The engine is great indeed, clearly proven to be reliable. Second the AJP design is clearly outdate, the frame is well, ugly to the least. The KOVE hype is amazing indeed, but the engine is clearly not the thrill people are expecting from a 450…the AJP is a 600 also, the power is clearly much bigger than the KOVE and at least proven…unlike the KOVE till now we are still waiting for a Dyno from DirtBikeMag…anyway, really nice video.
Thanks for chiming in! I too feel AJP is lacking in the marketing department - they have a very interesting bike, but I barely hear or see anything about it. I think the frame looks cool actually, wether it's outdated or not I can't really tell in terms of built quality or performance. Thanks for the kind words :)
We sell both ajp and kove...i drove both 450 rally and pr7.
450 rally is lighter,lower cog,much less vibration,better build quality,better suspension and price. In offriad, feels slcloser to a big bore hard enduro bike,than an adventure bike. And in the same time,very good.road manners.
Pr7 has more torque and power from.the bottom, but more vibrarion and.
And has better seat
Thank you very much for this information, incredibly useful - will pin it at the top for others to see!
@@JohannesDalenMC no problem...kove was a great surprise for me to...i didn't expect such a product. Truly incredible.
I have not ridden the PR7 but I agree on everything you said about the Kove. For me, it’s the perfect bike for light adventure and dual sport riding.
@@MERMBRAMA just seen your comment re the Kove... V interesting to see. Can you put a number on top comfortable cruising speed for highway travel (getting a 2 b without feeling totally wasted)... Thank you!
@@bjohnson8190 hello..it is between 120 and 130km/h. Around 6500 to 7000 rpm at that speed, rev limiter at 10.500.
Forgot to mention that I like the price of the Kove, but I’m not really sure if it’s actually cheap, or just cheap in comparison to the crazy expensive KTM dakar bikes?
Actually the Kove is not so cheap. We have seen the dollar prices, but they add a lot of charges on top after purchase. The T7 costs $10,799 in the US so you should compare that. The Swedish reseller of Kove sells it for 140K SEK in Sweden. Pretty much same as PR7. I would go PR7 before Kove also :)
Thanks for the info, Rob!
Hmm, a Kove or a T7, that's tough. I also wonder if 140k SEK is cheap for a rally bike, or is the price of a rally bike hyper inflated because of the Austrians?
Price is on par with the competition but when I looked closer at the Kove the only up-side is large tanks. The PR7 wins the rest for me. Maintenace intervalls and power specially.@@JohannesDalenMC
Hi Johannes, thanks for all the videos you've uploaded! It's truly fantastic to find people on TH-cam who share similar interests and are just as excited for spring to arrive so we can hop on our enduro bikes and hit the trails. Your PR7 looks absolutely stunning. I'm eagerly waiting at the starting line to kick off the riding season on my new H701. All the best!
Hi Jakub!
Amazing to hear, it is what I want for this channel, to gather like-minded people, discuss bikes, share stories and inspire each other to live life to the fullest! Enjoy your 701, it's a great motorcycle that will put a smile on your face regardless if it's off or on road. All the best to you too!
Gratulerar til en fantastisk sykkel. Har hatt min PR7 i nesten 2 år nå! Meget happy! Om noen uker drar jag på tur med Diogo i Portugal!👍
Takk!
Så utrolig gøy, du kommer til å stortrives. Vil svært gjerne høre mer om turen når du er tilbake igjen. Portugal er fantastisk, det samme er Diogo - kos deg!
Had 2 PR7, different years. Tablet went mental in the rain, died after a wash. Engine wouldn't start in the winter before battery flat. Forward facing air intake sucks water into proprietary air filter. Fuel cap sticks and drops mud into tank. Sticky fuel level sensor. Unadjustable headlights point into sky. Exhaust flattens on first bump. Rear brake lever sits on exhaust. Can't adjust spring preload without removing tank. Rectifier under water during river crossings. Rotten wiring, broken wires in loom. Endless design flaws. Should be a brilliant bike on paper, sold both.
Noticed that you're copying and pasting this comment onto lots of PR7 videos. If it was so bad, why did you buy a second one?
@@oliveralexsmith first one was a well used 2017 then an almost new 2021 came up with less miles and new engine management system. Ran both side by side to determine which I preferred, both had their frustrations. Ended up selling both. Thankfully kept the crf250 in a lockup to fall back on. My comments are just a few of many genuine observations, not copied or pasted 👍
@@R0ger007 Thanks for the honest user feedback. A breath of fresh air compared to other users who feel the need to "defend" their purchase of a mediocre or faulty product.
Great video. I agree 100%. Top 2 considerations in an ADV bike are 1. Weight (lightweight) and 2. Suspension. Looking forward to seeing more of the AJP. Keep up the good work.
Another great video, thanks. Can believe you're on an ajp now. My 2nd adv bike was a tenere , which had to go to make way for a 701, and now I am considering an ajp. It's like you've tailored your content specifically to my needs. Thanks a lot for that.
I have an AJP PR7 in Australia, also a 690, 640 adventure, DRZ400, 640E and an 890 Adventure R
I enjoy the PR7 the most. Nice power, good suspension, comfortable.
Wow that's quite the garage! Happy to hear you're enjoying the PR7, I'm having a blast on mine too. Recently rode a 790 adv r though, incredible machine, can imagine you're enjoying your 890!
Hi.., that is what I call a collection 🥳
Please do a swift comparesment It would be very interesting to have your thoughts.
Take care from the Czech Republic
I bought a PR7. It is my favorite bike I have ever owned. The build quality is superb. The ZF Sachs suspension is very good. It will get better as I tune the settings. It handles like a much lighter bike. The PR7 is as close to the perfect adv bike that has ever been produced.
I did a lot of research and took a gamble. I own one of the few PR7'S in the US. The "off-road competition only" tune on the US model absolutely rips.
I plan on removing the graphics from my PR7 as well. I haven't decided if I will replace them with a custom wrap (I have a friend who does that) or if I will leave it plain white.
Amazing video, I'm the same and have a T7, but i want to change to the 450 rally as soon as i get home. I am currently travelling in latin america, 12,500 miles of Argentina has shown me one thing. While the T7 continues to be amazing and surprises me continually- i want less weight and more fuel! And i rarely go above 70mph out here either. The Kove ticks all the boxes!
That sounds like an amazing trip! I'm currently re-reading Sam Manicoms travel books and he just left Argentina for Chile - funny coincidence. I get what you are saying, especially when rarely going fast, why have all the extra weight and power?
Enjoy an Argentinean stake for me too please! and safe travels Jake 🙂
@JohannesDalen I'm loving it all so far! Except when I hit a llama at 50mph last week, maybe 😅 but all good! I haven't read Sam Manicorn, but Ted Simon and Elspeth Beard were both fascinating reads! But I'm often left feeling I have more bike than I need - especially when the locals all travel on 250cc bikes meant for the road, and they're taken to some mad places!
I had a PR7 for a while. I thought it ripped. I had the hopped up version and it walk all over the TE630. Really surprised me how fast that one was.
Never even heard of this bike, thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Engine was originally in the Husqvarna TE630 and is now used by SWM.
Liked to know that you know some Portuguese words 👍 I’m a Portuguese guy living in Sweden and I would like to have one AJO as well 😉 enjoy the bike 💪
I owned the Husqvarna TE630. It was an excellent and very capable adventure bike. It only lacked a Cush drive hub for extended road riding. It also proved to be very reliable.
Great video - I was battling partly with the same dilemma as I wanted something more focused (lighter, more agile) than my previous 890R. Ended up ordering a new PR7 yesterday, delivery time here in Portugal is 2 months. "Portuguese stallion", I am going to steal that ;)
Hey man, congrats on the new PR7, that's awesome! Perhaps we'll meet on the trails in Portugal sometime, I'm planning on trailering my bike down for the next tour with Diogo (Offroad offcourse).
Did you sell the 890r or keeping it?
@@JohannesDalenMCI have my bike there and will return to Sweden in June through the alps. Let me know if you are there in June 👍
This will unfortunately take place in october. I'd love to meet up and go for a spin and some port together. Perhaps another time my friend.
In June I'll be riding in the Balkans on this very PR7!
I'm sticking with my DR650. Checks all the boxes for me. Not available in some countries now due to emissions though.
The only DRs I've seen available here in Norway are 20+ years old with 50k km's on the counter - If I came across a newer one I'd be tempted. Haven't ridden one, but it looks to be quite small and would need many parts to be comfy for a tall person - can you confirm?
I own a DR 650 for 20 years now. It has 50 k on the clock now and had no technical issues all the years. Very comfortable for my 2 meters. I only changed the seat.
Rare as rocking horse shit in the U.K.
Sold the 890R with tears on my eyes.. last year I did Les-a-les off-road, saw some PR7s there and got interested. Definitely see you on the trails here! I’m in south but it’s a small country..;)
am in the same boat as you, ever since the pr7 was announced i was always tempted by it, however after lurking in AJP fb groups, i get the feeling that it has alot of QC issues
Follow along and see if I encounter any of them as well! Hopefully not ;)
Haha, awesome. Same reason for me. I am half portuguese and thats reason enough to not getting it out of my head since i heard about it maybe a year ago. Getting it soon. A PT designed and built bike is just great, next to the big brand players.
Grateful for every video and expierence you are posting. Maybe seeing you on the PT TET one day.
Thanks for watching my friend, I hope our paths cross!
I do not need a bike to race rallies, so the Kove does not interest me, but the PR7 is my next bike. Great video, thank you!
Really like my Kove 450. It starts right up and it is very nimble. I looked hard at the PR7 , put down a deposit on one, but decided against it after sitting on it at the dealer. My heart didn't leap up and I walked away from it.
I think these are very comparable bikes - good components and plenty of suspension. Both are relatively easy to work on, and both are much lighter than my Tuareg 660, which was a wonderful bike. You made the right choose if the PR7 brings you joy.
I've had a Kove for 3 weeks and loving it. The Tuareg was on my shortlist. Still want to try one, sometime.
Happy to hear Michael and thanks for sharing. A Kove and the Tuareg 660 - what more do you need?
The PR7 just feels old and dated, it’s more of a slightly more modern DR650 or rather a CCM644.
Haven’t ridden the Kove but it’s been benchmarked against the best rally bike in the world so if it’s 4/5ths of a 450RFR then it’s a winner.
Loved your argument "because I'm 50% Portuguese"
Well done 👍 from another Tuga😂
I don't think someone who wants a lighter weight bike can go wrong with either bike. Would love to test ride both.
by the way I had t700,...that bike is bullet proof, amazing engine and I think the best one for around the world trip!!
dealer support would be paramount to me. I had to ship my PR7 about 800 miles (one way) to get something done on it. Not that it's super hard to work on, but dealer support is super nice to have. I'm not sure the PR7 and the Kove are all that similar, i bet they ride quite differently. just a hunch. I did like having a unique/portuguese bike. Heck, if it wasn't for my interest in the PR7, i'd never have found Diogo's channel, lol
This girl had issues with the PR7 in South America, didnt get much help and had to ship it back, cost a fortune and ruined the trip...I think her channel is called Improbablyadventuring
I have the same world map on my wall. haha. I remember being very interested in the PR7 about 2 years ago, but it's difficult and impractical to get one in the US. The Kove ended up being much easier for me to get, so that's what I got. So far I love it. Hopefully have my first vid on it up this weekend on my other channel. It's taken me awhile to learn how to make this kind of video haha.
Every time I look at it I get inspired!
Happy to hear you're enjoying the Kove, please let me know when the video is up. Creating videos is a skill, you'll get the hang of it quickly!
@@JohannesDalenMC Cheers Johannes! Your channel is a big inspiration. Love your approach and the topics you cover!
Incredibly happy to hear that my friend!
@@JohannesDalenMCMy first vid on the Kove is finally up! On this channel
I fully understand and share your enthusiasm about this bike. Have been wetting my panties at every new video about it on YT ever since the initial “unicorn video” by Diogo. Greg Vilalobos made some few really well taken ones! Unfortunatelly, cash is tight and the existing bikes in my garage too dear to my heat for a trade-in. But one day I’ll join the legion of PR7s, mark my words!
Fun fact: I got married in the church ruins that are about 1km away from the aviation bombing observation tower hill that you were riding up at 5:05.
Good rides!
The PR7 is a good choice in my opinion, if I was 30 years younger I would have one in my garage, I love the concept of the bike.
As for the Kove I can see the merit of the bike but it is, to me anyway a little more focused towards a rally bike, if my main focus was riding in the outback and crossing deserts like the Simpson it would be great, the PR7 is probably a better all rounder.
Adventure bikes and riding covers such a wide spectrum that the unicorn will always remain a myth, one bike will never do it all, manufacturers do a lot of research into which bikes will pay them back for their investment, making bikes for a small segment of the market is not worth the cost.
The PR7 and Kove are built by small companies owned by ex racers who wanted to build a bike for them, they are passionate about the bike, big companies prefer to sell to the masses, hence more cautious with the design to a degree.
A KTM 690 rally would be cool but the expense would be prohibitive for many, I would take a guess that most riders buy a 690/701 for the power alone, not the practicality of the bike, it’s what you may call dick swinging. 😂😂😂
The DR650 is the unicorn bike, part of the reason it lasted 25+ years unchanged. 😂😂😂😂😂
The two sentences in the middle there is what I say to everyone who says "the market screams for a lightweight twin at 500cc, 140kg, 21/18 wheels and long service intervals". No it doesn't - it may sound like that in the YT comment sections, but the big manufacturers do their homework and knows what will sell. This was completely cemented in my brain when I checked the sales numbers of the GS compared to other bikes.
Hope all is well down under mate!
Great video. Totally agree on the PR7 over the Kove 450. For me the pr7 is the evolution of the excellent husky te610. I have a 701 and a 890 adv r but think that I’ll add a PR7 to replace them both when I move to Portugal this Spring. I really love my 701 engine but find that susp too harsh. Same for the 890. I miss the plushness of the fe350. Enjoy the PR7, excellent and wise choice. Paulo
Thank you Paulo! If you're moving to Portugal, you just have to get yourself a PR7. Based on my somewhat limited experience with it, it sits right in between the 701 and 890. Closer to the 701, but it's a more relaxed ride capable of covering distance as well. Engine not as crazy as the 701, but more tractable and gentle. I will eventually make a 701 vs pr7 once I have enough experience with the new Portuguese stallion. Thanks for watching!
@@JohannesDalenMC great stuff. I look forward to it. Keep on enjoying the adventures!
Thank you for this video, I never even heard of the PR before this. Interesting. Of course we will never see it here in the States, much like the Kove, but nice to see. We can barely find a T7.
And thanks for watching! If my little knowledge about this is correct, I don't think the PR7 is registrable in most states - it doesn't have abs either. I will continue to cover my ownership with this elusive Portuguese stallion on this channel, so stay tuned!
Hi, Johannes.
Finaly you ended up with AJP PR7?
What about T7 and Husqvarna?
Do you still have them or sold out?
Just lookin forward to the kove800 rally commin to Uk.
Tusan Takk.🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️
Be interesting to know your thoughts- Pr7 vs Husky 701
Definitely a video I will make after I get some more seat time with the PR7. I also want to ride the 701 again as I've progressed as a rider since owning one, so the comparison is as fair as possible. After a few short rides on the PR7 I've already discovered that it does a few things the 701 didn't. Stay tuned my friend, it will come :)
I agree that both of these bikes are very interesting. I think that the PR7 absolutely makes sense, especially if you live in Europe. I wonder if it'd be different if you were in the US. As far as I'm aware there are very few PR7s in the US and I bet the part support is not as good. There might even be more Koves now in the US than PR7s. Of course the Kove also doesn't have an impressive dealer/parts backing here either. I could totally be wrong though, the PR7 is certainly very rare here so I don't know as much about it.
So you think the PR7 makes more sense if you have to cover a bit of tar in between the trails, and the Kove if you live closer? If so, I fully agree. A Kove/rally bike sounds a bit too focused for the riding we do here in Europe, especially in the north.
@@JohannesDalenMC I think it's more that availability for the PR7 is significantly less in the US. They seem way more common in the EU
Yeah so it seems - could it be because it isn't as easy to register the PR7? Can't imagine the Kove being any easier though, so argument may not work.
Thanks for including the 1handed t7 lift!💪🏿
And since when is this not a fashion channel, I partly watch this channel to see your moms knitting results 🧣🧶
I have to cling on to that lift as hard as I can, I have barely touched a weight since then and would definitely be defeated by the T7 now..
Hehe, that's great. I'm slowly getting rid of all my sweaters and replacing them by moms knitted ones!
Did you change the clickers on RR Stuff?
For me it was really sensitive changes and could be soft and hard.
Loving what you’re doing man.
Sure did, tried everything from fully hard to fully soft. The shock was good, really good, but I struggled with the forks. If I recall correctly you had the CC version, and I had the OC version. I'm aware of a few forum threads where people have reported that recommended spring rates from RR has been too stiff, I also believe RR themselves went out and changed the recommendations as well. My theory is that it's a combination of too much damping and limited amount of travel, since the sag was correct.
Thank you Llel, means incredibly much to get that from one of my main inspirations!
You could have also mentioned the increased wheelbase that works for taller people, as well as the torque, which hits at lower rpms.
Interesting video, thank you Johannes. You've made a good choice in my opinion but I can't help wondering which one your son would choose if you showed him a photo of both side by side...
I see you are working out hard, looking at the calluses on your hand, but more interestingly I've noticed, through your unusual camera angles, the huge void in the swingarm between the tyre and the swingarm pivot. What an intriguing design! Best wishes from the UK 🙃
The calluses are there from my powerlifting days, I'm barely touching any weights these days.. Regarding the swingarm, good eye Keith, I think that design is really cool too. It's made in house by AJP and I've often wondered how much weight they were able to save. All the best my friend!
Hi there, let me ask you. Have you considered Husqvarna 701 or 690?
More power, better suspension, longr range, easier to modify and the list goes on...
I have 4 KTMs, they don't have longer range and the 690 Enduro has 9.8" of travel where the PR7 has 11.8", The PR7 comes with a rally tower and 7" tablet from the factory along with several other things that cost extra on the KTMs. By the time you add a tower and other pieces the KTM 690 cost more and weighs more.
hey Johannes😎
I would also choose the PR7. simply because the Kove bike still has to prove itself. In my opinion it is very trendy right now because it is comparatively cheap. However, a long-term comparison to similar bikes is still missing. That's why (and also because of the great looks of the PR7) I would choose the same bike as you did. 😊
Summarized what I couldn't say in a ten min video with one sentence - good work 😆 Especially with the Kove still needing to prove itself, although it's getting there!
@@JohannesDalenMC 😂
Have a great week my friend! Be safe!
I'm with you regarding the reason. I really like the Kove, but the AJP just feels more.
Just more, can't put exact words on what more. Just more 😁
I'd love to own one but have to manage with the WR250R for now
Hehe, reassuring that I'm not the only one who struggles to explain exactly why! The wr250r is a legendary bike and it does almost everything the PR7 does at half the price - enjoy it 🙂
@@JohannesDalenMC The biggest issue with not being able to explain it is trying to convince the wife that expects explanations, haha 😅
The WR250R is really amazing. Sometimes I do miss a bit more power but not that often that I'd thought I would.
The biggest issue is that it isn't an "expensive" bike and spending something like more than half the bikes worth on the suspension, can be hard to justify. Both for myself and the missus. But with my 196cm and 96kg without gear, I definitely should..
@@TGITroberg I currently have both bikes (PR7 and WR250R) in my garage. Next week I'm selling the PR7. It is by far the most exciting bike I've ever owned, and might end up buying another one one day again. But for now I want to try a light bike (Beta 390) and a dedicated dual sport/adv bike (tbd). The WRR ain't going nowhere. 😊
@@TGITrobergThe wife is easy. Ask her when was the last lime she wore the red shoes, the ones you know she bought and never wore.
Then ask her of the twenty purses she has, how many has she used for the last 6 months.
Ask her if she remembers ever dressing sexy for you.
Ask her when was the last time she cooked that delicious dish you like so much.
Finally ask her how much she paid, from her money, for the utility bills last month.
Who has the newest shiniest car, you or her?
Or you can just dress up your big boy pants, buy the motorcycle you want, and tell her to shut up when she starts nagging you.
That engine isn't from China. It's made in Italy in the old Husqvarna factory that got abandoned when KTM bought the Husqvarna name and decided to just stick white plastic on KTMs and call them Husqvarnas.
It's basically the old 2010 TE 630 motor, which is no bad thing.
it depends of the use. kove for fast paths...like dakar, sand...
PR7, mmmm meget fristende. Ok for en 2 meter høy gubbe? Hvor får du gjort reparasjoner og service i Norge? (Hvis du ikke skal gjøre alt selv).
Jeg er et par og nitti selv, så langt fornøyd med ergonomien. Fothvilerne er noe høye i ramma, men det igjen er jo ålreit når stien blir grisete. Det er kun én forhandler her til lands, Motortrans på vestlandet. Jeg kommer til å gjøre alt av vedlikehold og rep selv. Føler at det er slik AJP vil ha det, alt er tilrettelagt for å gjøre det selv, hele sykkelen er som en pakke med lego - alt passer, er tilgjengelig, enkelt satt sammen osv.
Hvis du kan vente et års tid så skal jeg gjøre en så god jobb jeg kan som prøvekanin for deg før du bestemmer deg :)
Takk. Jeg må nok redusere mc-parken litt før jeg kan kjøpe uansett 😅
As a similar sized rider to yourself I'd rather have a de-tuned 600 over a de-tuned 450 for the street portions of a ride. Plenty of jam to pass safely on the hills, guessing 40+ at the wheel? Off road the de-tuned 450 would be plenty. Sadly neither bike has a passenger peg option for the rare occasion.
Agree with you Mike, PR7 wins it on the road. Not 100% sure about this, but if the bike is only registered for one, they can get away without having ABS at all.
In Austria you can´t licence the PR7 with full power. You can only register it legally with 28 HP. Is it the same for you in Norway? Do you ride it with the restricted HP? The Kove fullfils the new Euronorm and can be ridden with 51 HP which makes it way more attractive
Only 28hp? That's heavily de-tuned. Mine is "corked" at 48hp. If you get the race tune with full Doma exhaust it'll have around 60hp. 48 is adequate but 28 hp from a 600cc engine sounds extremely low!
@@JohannesDalenMC Just double-checked: To fulfill the Euro 4 norm it has to be restricted to 28 hp, because of the exhaust fumes. It´s the same for the EXC450(18,3hp) and EXC500(14,5hp). It´s not like we (EU residents) don´t want to ride these bikes, but we don´t want to ride them illegally in case of an insurance issue/accident. That´s why there is way more hype about the KOVE 450 because you can get it legally with 42 hp
Hi Johannes, my favorite between this Bikes are definitly the PR7. Only the too low mounted Exhaust on the PR7 is a bummer. (You know my Opinion`s and my own Bike...)... Greg Villalobos owned in the past a PR7 ... The Sachs is a german Brand - but Chinese build. Pay Attention for Names - today it`s very hard. Best Regards, Alfred
Let's find out how many drops on the right side I need in order to bend the exhaust. We'll call it "testing", right? 😆
All the best my friend!
@@JohannesDalenMC 🤣 Send it ! Cheers min Venn
Thanks Johannes. It’s the ‘excitingness’ of the AJP for sure! 😂 seriously, as other here have mentioned, the AJP has had time to prove itself, the Kove has not. For me it’s that simple.
Longer suspensiontravel is great, but not when its dives if you break hard or jump. Think the Kove will not be huge succsess in Scandinavia. Just becurse it short oil and filter intervals. Oil, oilfilter change every 2000km and valvescheck. That would be to much garagetime that you could have on the tracks instead. Perfect to do rally now and then, but not for an adventure..
Definitely agree regarding the suspension. Long travel will also result in wallowing when riding on the road. Interesting thoughts on the Kove - we do have a lot of tarmac to cover here in Scandinavia to get to the trails.
My Kove hardly wallows on the road, though I have not tried it loaded with luggage yet. My KLX 300, now that bikes wallows everywhere, even with no luggage and even with less clearance.
Almost everything we buy in the US is made in China but can still buy land, houses, food, trucks, guns and bikes made in some other country so I do. 4 KTMs in the cave and 1 Harley only because several of my friends ride Harleys.
The Kove all day, the PR 7 uses a Zongshen engine as does Kove but I have heard that part availability is not that good for the AJP
Pavlin from Motorcycle Adventures did a good video on the AJP. Mason on the Kove. I'm looking forward to your build.
the PR7 Gold is the best looking bike i have ever seen.
Hei. Er det 650 eller 600ccm?
Halla!
PR7, men ikke 700cc, står "650cc" på siden, men ikke 650cc - haha! Den er 600cc.
The PR7 would definetly be the bike I want between these two. I saw a PR7 in the Alps this year and the guy was hauling on it and it looked really fun.
From the videos I have seen the Kove seems quite slow actually and has to be revved way high to get some power. I think it's lacking in the engine department, at least for European ADV conditions.
Same reason why I probably wouldn't want a CRF 300 and similar. Even my T7 is starting to feel slow after a few years of riding it. (On he road, obviously)
It feels to me like a big part of the ADV community forgot that bikes should actually be fun to ride and """reliability""" is becoming the the be-all end-all argument for how a bike is judged. (Which goes hand in hand with European brand bashing 😆)
Good point regarding reliability vs fun - it's something I've been wanting to discuss for some time, but I've never figured how to approach it. It's not necessarily a Japan vs Euro-bikes discussion, but rather how some people seem to think reliability is more important than what the bike actually makes you feel. I guess the best way to get both is to have two bikes: one fun euro (PR7) and one ultra reliable bike from Japan (mystery bike) 😉
@@JohannesDalenMC a video about this topic would definetly be interesting.
Just back from 700km(320km on dirt) 4 day ride.2 x koves on trip.I have off road experience. The 2x Koves go as fast as you could reasonably go on an adventure trip with luggage. IMHO the PR7 is a better bike off road and closer to an enduro bike but stick 25kg on the rear and its out of balance....
If you put 25kg+ of luggage on any enduro bike,it wont handle like an enduro bike anymore,not really. loaded with luggage will always be loaded with luggage.
Not ridden Kove., looks a good package…. On my 2nd PR7 now, can’t find a better all round Adv bike… preforms well on and off road.. can cope with hard technical terrain and is more comfortable than any bike in its class. It’s very easy mechanically to work on compared with competition… it’s MY Unicorn bike…👍🏴
Good to hear Bill! On your second, what happened to the first one? 😁
@@JohannesDalenMC
1st PR7 after I done the well posted up grades..ecu, fuel filters etc bike ran well
Decided to buy the 2022 model with the factory up grades.. ecu, electric relays etc made bike more reliable and enjoyable to ride… fresh metal & suspension👍🏴😂
That has to be the ultimate compliment to this bike! I'm loving mine too, can't wait to ride it down in southern Europe later this summer, and on the enduro track!
Both fantastic (and exotic) bikes, certainly. Same situation for me: no importer nor dealer in Germany so far. But the Kove would be a year's riding cheaper than the torquier AJP. I'm still thinking about something lighter than these two, let's say a suspension-pimped up Honda CRF 300 L. She's about 20 kg lighter (145-165 kg), easier to pick up on gnarly solo rides. I'm not 25 anymore ;-) Günter/Nürnberg
I've too been thinking about getting a used 300L and throwing Rally Raid suspension on it, see how capable I could get. Issue is I'd quickly end up paying pretty close to what I paid for the PR7, that already comes "race ready". Another issue for me is the size of the 300L, it's quite small. Also, you don't need RR suspension for the 300L, you'd be fine with cheaper suspension - I rode a YSS upgraded 250L in Portugal and I found it excellent!
Let me know what you end up doing Gunter. Have a great weekend!
@@JohannesDalenMC Thanks, Johannes. Prives in Germany are different. A Honda CRF 300 L with Rally Raid or the best YSS suspension and a few offroad extras will cost about 8,500 Euro in Germany. A Kove 450 Rally imported from Slovenia not much more. The AJP comes to about 11,500 Euro stock. Cheers, Günter/Nürnberg
not sure i wouldnt buy a Husky701 or KTM 690over the PR7 but not going to buy th Kove
I have both bikes. The Kove feels so much lighter in real world riding. Compare bikes on paper probably won't do it justice.
Awesome, thanks for sharing! I hope to test ride the Kove asap, speculating in the specs is never accurate!
Different is good. Ciao, Marco.
Doce da casa...PR7... Congrants from portugal
the guy in the video is The CEO of Kove
There's always next year to try the updated Kove 😂
I'm in.
I too, are interest to know more about this bike.
How it's preform as a road bike, for the daily duties.
The 690 doesn't have strong enough subframe...
How it's compare to the dr650, how rugged it is...
So I'm in...
Following
Good luck 👍
Welcome aboard my friend!
Porco Preto e um Doce da Casa é uma boa combinação
Interesting. I believe the Kove guys put a lot of effort into marketing and publicity with Dakar coverage and tons of vids. Non of this can be seen for AJP. Also their bike being 600cc will not be able to enter any of the rallies.
Major attribute for me not to buy the Kove would be the fact that it is Chinese. While many other OEMs actually also have their stuff produced in China, clearly I‘d rather go with something assembled in Portugal (or anywhere in Europe). I wonder whether you considered the Fantic XEF 450 Rally. Japanese technology (and hopefully reliability) mixed with Italian emotions sounds like a great recipe to me. This would probably be my top choice, albeit more pricey.
It does feel like AJP doesn't care too much about their marketing, in my experience. They sell every bike they produce pretty much, so why bother I guess. It feels like they could do more, they have an excellent bike that people seem interested in. I could be completely wrong though, this is just how it looks to me.
I've seen the Fantic 450 rally once in person, sweet bike, absolutely. Interesting components as well, it's pretty much a Yamaha in different colors, isn't it? I've never seen or heard much about it being for sale here in Norway. Did it compete in this years Dakar, do you know?
@@JohannesDalenMC I believe there were a few teams running the Fantic rally bikes in Dakar, but without outstanding results and apparently without much coverage in media. But they do show up in results tables.
Fantic has the same engine as Kove !
@@istra70I have read in the meanwhile that the Kove engine is based on the Zongshen engine that is also being g used in the Fantic Cabalero. However, I am not sure they are all clones of the Yamaha engines used in the XEF bikes. This may be a totally different engine er may be not. I do not know.
Lol. "I don't even know". About what they might build in the future.
I told you. Why did it take so long time ?
Need some reminding here, people tell me things here all the time 😅 I'm guessing you've told me the PR7 is the bike to have?
@@JohannesDalenMC exactly :-) All good
PR all day long. The PR's engine is a well known and proven commodity.
So is the Kove's
Kove engines are produced in Millions !
So, you only added the Kove in your title to attract viewers hmm, like clickbait?
Well, it worked for me, I watched it.... only to discover you never even contemplated getting the Kove - which is not even available to you! - because you like the old mishmashed heap better based on looks, plus it is assembled-only(!) in Portugal???
Goodluck to you, the Kove is in a different league altogether - which you will find out over time and then perhaps will get the 2nd gen.
By then you'll also find out that your prized "Portuguese" possession will have depreciated a lot, another lurking unpleasant surprise...
Couldn't have summed it better up myself, well done! 😉
No answer !
I hope KTM 390 ADV RALLY 2025 will be off road bike
Ajp any day
Not really sure why people are going gaga over a chinese 450cc bike with a dry weight that is more than the wet weight of a certain 400cc suzuki.Granted, the suzuki needs ergo mods, but gets ~150 miles to the stock tank if the bike wasn't butchered with that idiotic 3x3 mod.
For suspension, remove low compression shims(lsc) before the crossover to get the plushness you wish. For the aforementioned suzuki, it comes stock with 6 lsc shims per fork, racetech specs 9. Got tired of getting jackhammered and am now running 3lsc shims per fork.
Then my next video will be up your alley!
PR7 has an old engine ,too much vibrations and no ABS.
but that old engine has its huge advantages. for one - it's very easy to work on. you've got an easy access to oil strainers, valve clearance adjustment doesn't involve removing anything more than the cam cover, the oil pump is easily replaceable and it's a separate unit, not part of any engine cover or case. it's got its flaws (ie. intake cam bearing can fail prematurely) but believe you me, I've worked on two of those units so far, I've got an SWM with this engine and I really like it. it's quite durable too. genuine SWM parts are fairly priced, normally about half the price of what Husky charged.
@@plllot9713 I like PR7 better than KTM but i can not stand the vibrations.
@@fcalin21 I haven't got any comparison unfortunately. SWM sm650 is my very first single cylinder bike, I've owned it for three years and not planning on changing it. it's 2018 and cost me half of the price of the KTM 690 of the same year at the time of the purchase so obviously it can't be as sophisticated 😉
@@plllot9713 Thank you for sharing. Take care!
Love you❤️
It should be called CR7!
Fotball fans may be confused by that ;)
Como não podia deixar de ser, o teu pai, ou mãe, português não ensinou o filho a falar português.
Conheço bastantes portugueses que emigraram, e quase todos parece que têm vergonha de Portugal, raros são os que ensinam os filhos a língua materna.
E quando cá chegam, vindos de onde quer que seja que emigraram, lá fora é que é bom, Portugal é uma merda, mas não contam as dificuldades que encontraram no pais para onde foram.
Podes trazer essa PR7 de regresso a casa, rumas ao Alentejo onde há muitas criações de "porco preto" 😁, comes umas febras grelhadas ou umas sandes de presunto, e de sobremesa há coisas melhores que "doce da casa". Trilhos onde podes esticar o motor também não faltam.
Agora arranja maneira de entender estas "dez palavras". 😉
Hehe, eu descobri! Não, você está dizendo alguma coisa aí, não parece que todos os portugueses tenham orgulho do seu país. O Diogo é, e todos os outros portugueses que são, eu entendo bem. Vocês são um povo maravilhoso, que em comparação com muitos outros países europeus ganham mal e têm menos, mas a minha impressão de vocês é que estão felizes e gratos pelo que têm. Aqui na Noruega temos muito dinheiro e não somos gratos por nada!
@@JohannesDalenMC I recognise the Google translate.
Google only understands Brazilian... not Portuguese.
You're mistaken, there are great people here yes, as a nation, Portuguese people are POS.
Most people here live above their means, showing off is everything. The fakebook lifestyle.
What you probably meaning is the weather, that affects people's moods, we have sun all year round, Norway has... Cold and ice.
If you find a Portuguese and he/she is not moaning about something, call a doctor. He/she is suffering from some disorder.
@@JohannesDalenMC oh no. Pootube deleted my reply to you.
Ok, again.
You using Google translate. You replied in Brazilian, not Portuguese. Google doesn't recognise Portuguese as an identity...
Some Portuguese persons are great, Portuguese people as a whole... Great land, sh**ty people.
Let's see if Susan is happy with this comment.
@@JohannesDalenMC Susan keeps deleting my reply to you.
You've used the Google translator, which doesn't know Portuguese exists, it only uses Brazilian, which IS NOT THE SAME LANGUAGE.
You'll find great persons here, the people as a whole... POS.
Tnx for not trying to explain the reasoning for why you bought it.
There is not any motorcycle purchase that can be explained with reason.
It's not reasonable to buy or ride any motorcycle.
We buy and ride them because they are fun, simple as that. And they stir different emotions and feelings, that is not necessary to explain in any way.
Motorcyclists buy and sell bikes all the time, we tend to be bit promiscuous. Why? Well we probably want to have a different kind of fun, or a different feeling.
If you are purchasing a motorcycle for competition purposes I’d have to disagree. It is most certainly reasonable to purchase a motorcycle with the intent to increase ones source of income, and or develop ones career. Under these circumstances, which have been very prevalent for many years now, your theory can be tossed.
You touch on a very interesting topic here, sir. I fully agree with you, us motorcyclists tend to be very promiscuous (excellent word to describe it).
Up until this point all the bikes I've bought, PR7 included, has been mainly because of lust, the feeling of something new - novelty is a strong thing. The "mystery" bike I've been hinting about is actually a bike I've bought because of needs, it's not a very exciting bike, but it will do 90% of what I need in a motorcycle, like commuting and two-up riding. It will be interesting to see what you guys think of it when I show it to you!
@@airadaimagery692 well yeah, I was thinking about the leisure/ hobby part of motorcycle riding. Surly if you are a competitor or mototaxi driver, delivery guy or similar. A different approach is needed.
never Chinese
Much too much fluff, not enough substance.
The problem of all that bikes is: they are NOT streetlegal with unrestricted engine power in Europe and could bring you into real big trouble if you cause an accident because your insureance won't pay any money.
100% between the two...I'd own the AJP. I will NEVER own a Chinese motorcycle again ....EVER.
It is at this point I'm kindly asking you to elaborate my friend ;)
@@JohannesDalenMC Damn it!! I just wrote you paragraphs of info, I moved my mouse and its gone, WTF?? I'm not writing that all again sorry.
You'll have to make do with "with Chinese bikes, you get what you pay for" ..... I've owned two and they cost me way more in time, aggravation and dollars than I saved by paying less for them up front. Don't be fooled by the hype.
The problem of the AJP and the engine from Shineray/SWM is that there is no network and clearly 0 marketing. The engine is great indeed, clearly proven to be reliable. Second the AJP design is clearly outdate, the frame is well, ugly to the least. The KOVE hype is amazing indeed, but the engine is clearly not the thrill people are expecting from a 450…the AJP is a 600 also, the power is clearly much bigger than the KOVE and at least proven…unlike the KOVE till now we are still waiting for a Dyno from DirtBikeMag…anyway, really nice video.
Thanks for chiming in! I too feel AJP is lacking in the marketing department - they have a very interesting bike, but I barely hear or see anything about it. I think the frame looks cool actually, wether it's outdated or not I can't really tell in terms of built quality or performance.
Thanks for the kind words :)
the price. :) I don't know if this is the right translation but in polish we say: the price works wonders